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hi friends it's Taylor at Doom to fail today we're going to be re-releasing
part two of episode one where farz tells us the terrible story all of his stories
are terrible about Lori valo her I don't know fourth or fifth husband Chad dabell
and the terrible things that they did to their children we released this back in January of 2023 so I actually have an
update on their case that I will tell you at the end so please enjoy and I'll
see you on the flip side no matter if the people of State of California versus
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thank you
super in love but ended up making her very successful which was you know always fun to see and then as far as I'm
gonna hand it over to you for give us something more recent give us some true crime relationships that turned bad I'm
nervous yeah let's get into True Crime territory yo Taylor I think you and I
as well as a lot of our listeners would classify as phds and True Crime and so the story I'm going to bring up I'm just
going to ask you the top have you heard the name Lori valo before I have yes ah okay so now you know why we're drinking
water I'll get into that a little bit a little in a moment so my topic today sent around Lori valo um which I just
find tremendously fascinating I should start by saying that her and this person
that she was married to that will get to their trials had not begun yet and so all the facts aren't out but editorial
stance she did it they both did it so that's gonna go with that like the fact certainly it's so abundantly clear that
that is what happened and so the reason I'm really fascinated with um this case in particular is my
general fascination with the concept of family annihilators and so family annihilators are people who I
mean it's self-explanatory right they annihilate their families um and to me maybe I'm being a wet
noodle but that just seems like very anti-social Behavior to kill your entire family I think um I think that I think
that you're on the right path of that I think that yes as an Al Dente noodle as someone who does not murder their family
so we let's all stick with Al Dente okay um because there's some situations where
people are murderers and I can completely understand you know you you catch your spouse with someone and
you wipe them out don't do that please but it makes a lot more sense family Annihilation is incredible and it's
ferocity and intensity and everything else and what also makes this case really interesting is the the general
makeup of family annihilators so this stat is from a 2003 uh study I pulled up
so the numbers are going to be different now but probably not within a huge that's called margin of error so out of
71 family murders 59 were perpetrated by men so about 83 mm-hmm
95 of the perpetrators were both men and the heads of the household so think Daddy did it essentially
um in this case we're gonna find out that that's not gonna that's not the situation
um so let's go ahead and set the stage so Lori was born Lori Noreen Cox in June
of 1973 in San Bernardino California I have nothing against people who've
been married a bunch totally fine I've been married and divorced people get divorced all the time it's totally
acceptable totally it feels like there's something going on
underneath there yeah she's not like well I don't know she's not like a movie star right they get married like five or
six times but like also like to this was that any of the same people like over and over again I think that's
I find that fascinating when people like get divorced get married someone new get divorced again and then remarry the
person from before so it's like three marriages with two people but is it five separate guys it's five separate guys
and I'm just gonna start at the top by saying I could tell that Lloyd Bala was
probably an incredibly attractive woman in her Youth and a lot of people probably gave her a lot of attention and
so if your husband is a wet noodle through the day then it
would be easy to continuously move on from person to person okay well okay she's born in 1973 she's not like a
hundred but fine she's not no no so let's let's go and let's let's I just
digest these marriages a little bit so 1982 there's a guy named Nelson James
1982. 1992. okay I was like she was nine so
that's bad that's the red flag yeah big red flag 92 uh 1995 she married someone
named William laguila okay 2001 so that one actually lasted a
decent amount of time 2001 she married someone named Joseph Anthony Ryan much to his bad luck and in 2006 she married someone named
Leland Charles Anthony valo we're gonna refer to this person by his
name Charles because that's typically what the media calls him and that's what he goes by in his family number four he's over four okay
that guy died okay 2019 shows her fifth marriage to a guy
that we're going to be discussing here in a little bit so she found salaam was Iran between marriages quite a bit
um and if I was Charles I probably would have thought a little
bit more about how many marriages had happened within that time frame so if you're counting that is three marriages
in nine years which is it seems you know again numbers approaching anyone and
also it's worth noting going back to the water component of our chat today that Lori is
also she was also raised LDS but she was a Mormon so Mary young having a bunch of
kids it kind of goes with the territory that kind of makes sense because like I guess
if you think you're not allowed to like just like date someone you have to marry them you know but yeah that's so much
paperwork and it's just so expensive and like it's exhausting and to Lori's
credit to whatever exciting give her credit um husband number three was physically and sexually abusive reportedly to her
and her kids oh that's terrible yeah so there's there's a whole host of problems
did he die yeah he didn't but he he got it in a different way that we'll
we'll get to it okay okay cool so at some point Lori decides that she's
going to tell Charles that she's leading him and the circumstances under which she tells him definitely hint is some
sort of not to break so this is going to be the kind of punctuation point of Lori's just uh free spirit to
what the hell is going on with Laurie so in January of 2019 again she's still
married to Charles she told him she didn't want to be with me anymore and that she was The Reincarnation of Joseph
Smith for anybody listening who doesn't know Joseph Smith was the I'm just gonna say
charlatan founder of the Church of Latter-day Saints also known as Mormonism which we are referring to here as LDS
so that's bigger to me than the divorce red
flag is the I'm a reincarnated
um which is really interesting because if you think about I thought reincarnation was a Buddhism or a Hindu
belief and then she's LDS you know I'm maybe I'm speaking out a chart here but it's curious that she's blending and
mixing and matching different faiths and belief systems here almost like none of them were true you can just it's almost
like that Taylor just barely um so Charles didn't love what he was hearing clearly uh he tried to have Lori
psychologically evaluated and that didn't go over well yeah she didn't take she didn't take that shockingly I can't
find any information on what happens during this time all I know is that she basically disappeared for 58 days
gone nobody knows where she was just she didn't have kids she's left
them yeah she left them okay okay so so that's where we are with this
um so a month later Charles files for divorce in the divorce filing he claims
that Lori threatened to kill him if he tries to stop her preparations for the second coming the second coming of Jesus
five months later in July and this this is where it just it just blows my mind in July Louie's brother his name's Alex
Cox he shoots and kills Charles claiming self-defense yeah at that time these
people are psychos it's absolutely incredible so at that time the police accepted that they were like yeah that's
what happened and they just like wash their hands a bit but like okay some questions what state what state what gun
happy state are we in right now Arizona okay uh makes sense and what did he say
like what were they shooting at each other I don't know it was like a shootout how did he get was he like did
he say he was like trying to kick me so I shot him with my gun like what kind of self-defense is that so we're gonna find
out a little bit later that Alex high end of a loose cannon okay Alex
didn't seem like he needed a lot of motivation to assault or kill somebody
great so I think we should definitely give him guns I think I think that he passed that passes the test for me
yeah if I met a gun yeah did this family boy side of the family just sounds like
a bunch of psychopaths it's absolutely incredible yeah the part I was going to get to a little bit later I'll dive into
now is that he also assaulted Lori's third husband but the details that are also a little
bit murky but apparently he tasered the [ __ ] out of this guy which looks like that guy deserved it right that guy
deserved it yeah that guy had it coming so we're not super sad about that but it's just the fact that this guy's first
instinct in any situation does not talk about it not do it's just pull out either a taser or a handgun and
like what weird I mean speaking of this is a speculation but like why is he
a sister's protector in that weird way you know like so I didn't write this in the outline
but apparently Alex and Lori were weirdly sexual with each other in front
of people there was one thing I read about um from Alex's ex-wife who said that when Lori and him got together he
would pick her up in that like Ryan Gosling Rachel McAdams notebook way you
know he's like with the hands on the ass and like they like simulate like rubbing against each other it was they had a
weird relationship these people are not normal that's not great no I'm uh okay
yeah not great okay well I'm glad I asked because confirmed now you have it
in your mind at this point we're gonna rewind a little bit because we need to introduce another character boots price
is husband number five four years before all this transpired in 2015 Lori began
reading a book by a guy named Chad dabell which was self-published because like of course it was published right
it's a very achievable goal very very attainable yeah the book was called standing in holy
places um it was a series that he wrote and I'm gonna get into I actually did read a bit of this book and I'll tell you my
opinion about it a little bit yeah not fun um three years later they actually met in
person for the first time in an event and then met him later yes yes years
later okay yeah I think she got into this like like I'm skipping ahead a little bit the book is very
end of times doomsday so part of me thinks that like this her getting into
this book it could have been innocuous but like I folks facing what the cover looks like she probably did the same thing and she started reading it and all
of a sudden she's like halfway through the series and she's like oh like now I'm thinking about the end times and all this I feel like this 2015 interaction
of like her getting the books and reading them it just kind of starts that whole process and this is before she thinks she's Joseph Smith or after
before okay yeah 2015 book series starts 2019 I'm Joseph Smith and the second
coming of Jesus is happening so yeah the name of the book standing in holy places three years later they met
in person at that event apparently like the morals here are relatively lacks so
they had a few Liaisons after that interaction Laurie would have parties when Charles was out of town Chad would
be there and then everybody would leave and then he'd just kind of slink around and say there and so they were she was
basically cheating on it and then yeah and then in November 2018 boy and Chan actually appear on a podcast so they
became friends like they became acquaintances right [Music] I'll get to the podcast
I think I've heard I think I heard slippers of the podcast and it's uh
continues it continues the crazy but I'm excited to hear more about it it definitely continues are crazy it sounds
like the podcast producer is also the name of the LDS sect that they will eventually be involved in it's worth
noting this is not mainstream Mormonism shockingly the Mormon church has distanced themselves from these people
and this sect right yeah Joseph Smith told them to it was
ordained before you signed your checkbook over the distance yourself so the podcast was reduced by preparing a
people the name of the podcast itself is time to Warrior up I just hate this
[ __ ] language these people use it's just so it's like you're not a warrior Chad looks like a leather skin swinger
from Florida like he's not like taking over the world or anything right they all have this vision of themselves which
blows my mind it's interesting because it sounds like the name of the the producer of the podcast praying people is also the name of the sect that they
belong to it's hard to actually dig into the details here because I tried going to their website and I tried researching the [ __ ] out of this it's all shuttered
like there is no like even the webmaster who created the website posted something on there saying we're just going to
remove this and go about our lives like we're not we're we're done with this at this point it was not true not not
trapped at all yeah exactly so going to the podcast again I listened to it and
the theme is just general religious like Nate generous religious religion in
nature and The Awakening to Jesus is segues in a proper territory there's constantly any kind of preparing for the
end time they're just intense stupid people you know it's it's like the worst
combination of everything it's having it's like having drive your drivers that make the best sourdough bread it's to
just destroy the entire world or watch it be destroyed it's awful it's I mean have you read
obviously like I love Dan Carlin uh the history podcaster like I love Dan Carlin
more than more than more than anything and uh I read his book I've read up three years in a row around this time of
the end of the year because it kind of like I don't know if it gets sums up a lot of stuff and I wish it was written post 2020 because it does talk about
pandemics but it's called the end is always near and it's uh about people have been doing this for [ __ ]
ever being like you know oh God Jesus is coming or oh no blah blah this is gonna happen and then like scaring people to
giving them their stuff and like making sure they're in power and it's just like such a thing over and over and over
again yeah so that's the interesting thing I don't think that these people there was no profit motive here these
people it's not like they went off and did something great with it like you'll find out what they did with it it wasn't
like there were some grand plan I also love that I wrote hearing this outline that as I was listening to this podcast
because there's pictures of them up as they're talking so you can see the face and the voice match up to each other and
they're like some of this stupid [ __ ] I literally wrote down small dick energy because it is exactly what it is it's
just just the worst of the worst and the women are like ooh right they're like
loving it yeah Lori's cheating on her husband with this [ __ ] [ __ ] I hate
look if your name is Chad I don't have anything against you but he was a chat like yeah let's be honest so and
speaking of Chad so he had some really interesting beliefs obviously it's hard to summarize him uh he's basically like
he's like a sideshow Rouse about a con man he's a religious zealot he probably
owned a bunch of crystals we don't know for sure I'm sure he had some gold chains that he wore with his like shirt
wide open yeah just just not a super appealing person and on his belief
system he told people this is where it doesn't totally make jive with traditional LDS beliefs he told me he
lived on different planets there's some element of him being like this Celestial being tied into all this religious
religious opposite like he had already done that yeah yeah so I think I didn't write it
down but I think it was somewhere around 50 or so planets that he'd lived on oh good for him yeah he's been all of the
map apparently he also had his habit which was it just it speaks a little bit to what you said about like this like
desire for power he had this he had this habit of categorizing People based on
how light or dark they were but not based on like their skin color no no it wasn't racist
yeah it was so not racist but I mean it was arguably worse because it led to
like a lot of depth and tragedy but it was based off of how light or dark their energy was and so if you had light
energy like you were in if you had dark energy then you just would cast out
would just it very very interesting mentality there he told Laurie go ahead
sorry no I also I'm just I just I feel like this is the best Planet out of 50.
there's just no way like there has to be one better than this like one that's like like why would you
sit here if you had an option of like a bunch of other ones like there's gotta be one that's better but continue yeah the Multiverse is true then the Jetson
actually happened and so you could be a flying car yeah why now
he also told Lori that she had lived 21 different lives just a lot of stupid
[ __ ] and apparently all worked on Lori because clearly you'll see that she's very very thin with this guy so it's
interesting we're going to introduce another character in this story her name is Tammy so in the middle of all this
and to literally nobody's surprise Chad was also married at the time oh
yeah yeah Chad bounced around a lot less apparently they were married for 29 years so he would take it seriously up
until he did end seven months after Charles is killed by Lori's brother Alex
Danny is found dead at her home at the bottom of a staircase that's my guess
no I think she was in the bathroom actually uh yeah and this this part again blows my mind just shows how
little people care no autopsy was done because Chad as her husband was like no
I don't wanna autopsy just throw her body in a trench we'll call it a day basically like
Lori was cool getting divorced just [ __ ] get divorced yeah don't kill
people getting divorce is fine like getting worse a ton maybe you should talk to a therapist but like don't kill both don't
kill people I do have my suspicions everybody also have Alex kill the husband so like Lori's not yeah
absolutely their lives were colliding in a way that was incredibly destructive at this point I do I do also want to I
guess also Catherine the Great did have her husband killed so but that was like oh it was a whole other thing you know
everybody was killing everyone back then she went on to do good things so it wasn't you know
yeah yeah it could have been worse could have you could have been married to uh to a lawyer Chad here yeah this part I
found find like almost comical although I shouldn't be laughing about it because so before she died Kenny reported that
someone tried to shoot at her when she was in her garage and she thought it was
a paintball gun I don't know but I I think she was delusional like
a paintball gun these paints residue none of which was someone was trying to
kill her like this is right before she found out I think well two two quick two quick
things one my dad did get shot by a paintball gun one time walking down the street and he thought he was shot by a
real gun because he like heard the gun go off it hurt him and he looked down and he like had like a big uh stain and
a shirt and it was orange and this first thought was oh my God I bleed Orange [Laughter]
confusing when you're under Fire but then also also for Christmas my husband bought me a knife with my name engraved
in it so I can't use that knife to kill him because it has my name that's that's exactly why I did it too I'm sure so
yeah so obviously there's some parallels happening between Lori and Chad as they start to get closer with each other and
this is around the time that we should introduce the children of Lori into the mix so there are three
there's Colby Ryan this was with husband number two he's at this point 27 years old he's not relevant related to the
story except for the initial involvement he had in trying to find the other two kids so um
We're Cute I don't know that I've not seen this dance pictures he's very cute continue I just wanted to bring that up
listeners look up Colby Ryan and you can let us know if you also Caleb thanks
Colby was adopted by husband number three that's why he has the same last name Ryan as the guy who was sexually
assaulting abusing and hurting everyone basically right the other two are Kylie Ryan she was
born to actually actually born to husband number three in 2002. and then JJ
who was born in 2012. now this was Charles valo's great grand nephew who
the couple then adopted as their own so it was for whatever reason they didn't think the family should take care of them and they adopted them as their own
so okay on September 8th Tyler was last seen at Yellowstone with Lori and Alex
again Alex is a psycho like why are they taking this child alone into like a
national book it's just like he's already killed some he's already killed Charles yeah he's already killed Charles okay
yeah anyways again like I wrote down here Lloyd's mother seems critical all this stuff like he obviously has
incredibly violent tendencies and now they're just gonna go camping alone with this child yeah
a few weeks later on September 24th we're still in 2019. Lori called JJ school to tell them that he's being
withdrawn to be home we actually don't really know what happened between the 8th and the 24th there were some discussions about neighbors seeing them
back in a car late at night with stuff and like whatever like there's again the
facts haven't come out yet so this is all speculative on November 5th Chad and Lori get married and this this part
again just blows my mind how incredibly stupid these people are
um so this is this all this is they get married two weeks after Chad's wife is found dead so
red flag right oh my God wait a month Jesus Christ yes wait four weeks after this I'm gonna
say that's the minimum yeah 29 years it's incredible so again this is a part
that blows me away and this has been cooperated so at the wedding I guess like people were asking
where the kids were and they told them that Tyler was either dead as of 2017
or that Lori had no children at all what what
so this part I know because I know I know this part of the partially the story but like I feel like as I want to
be like as a parent this is crazy but that's that's a freaking human being this is [ __ ] crazy you know like I
don't get nothing special for being a parent like what that doesn't make any sense like you're like you're lying and
you're like in the weirdest way possible strange it's a very strange boy to get
out of the fact that you definitely killed these kids just like say there was someone else oh they're
with my friend Beth I don't know like so they get around to that they get around to that but they get around that with
the police everybody else weird obviously all these factors stack on top of each other again
it's all circumstantial but you can deduce something out of this from this Behavior so and then this is the part
where it all kind of spirals into that scenario a few weeks after this marriage JJ's Grandma Kay she called the police
to go into welfare check on JJ Lori Lori then told the police the kid was away
with a family friend her name's Melanie Gibbs again not to disappear to anybody Melanie is also on these podcasts if you
start looking them up and again like just put the face to the voice and hear
what they say and you'll reach your own conclusions about Melody he's like Doom the the Doomsday podcasts yeah yeah
actually I think the podcasts were all taken down so anything he finds gonna be archived through um YouTube but still it's worth just listening for a few
minutes just to know that there's people like this that exist in the world um if I need a little rage boost
yeah police called Melanie and they were informed that she hadn't seen JJ in months the FBI
and local police went to search the house the next day only to find it had been abandoned Melanie later confessed
the police that Lori and Chad told her to lie to the police by the whereabouts of JJ so basically Lori and Chad called Melanie was like Hey people apparently
are asking questions about these kids because oh my husband's dead at the hands of my brother and now these kids
aren't around and people are being really suspicious about it and so they're absolutely
like other people annoying you know like uh it's very it's very excuse me Anthony
at the hotbod contest it is very very Casey Casey Anthony of them that is a
great reference so around the summer the police also become aware so at this point they're on
they're they're like we just are looking for JJ because there is nobody else asking about Thai League I guess Tyler's
original dad and then later stepfather didn't really care what was going on with Tyler and Lori obviously didn't
care and so this time the police don't even know that Charlie's been missing December is when they become aware that
oh there's another kid involved here what's going on with that one yeah and so at that point things start unraveling
pretty quickly which it should be because these people are complete idiots the FBI started looking at Tammy's death
more closely they exhumed the body to conduct an autopsy we actually don't know what the results of the autopsy are
because the officials never released that Bill I'm sure it'll come out during the trial um it's nice that he didn't have
her cremated here I haven't murdered someone I'm gonna have them cremated that doesn't
that there's a good point it's yeah well you got that listeners if
you kill someone make sure you cremate them yeah but don't kill anyone as the investigation starts narrowing in on them Lori and
Chad decide to book it basically they released a statement to their lawyers which was the stupidest statement I've
ever wrote in my life about their just loving parents and just everything you would expect of people
who are obviously guilty of doing horrific things right but I don't know where my kids are but like come on
yeah exactly just look at them look how happy they are they are free they look oh my God
so on February 20th of 2020 Lori gets arrested and I'm gonna invest my
favorite vacation destination ever Kauai which is an island in Hawaii um she was initially just charged for
desertion and non-support of a child because nobody can find the kids there's no body there's no evidence of anything we just know that there was kids and now
there's no kids there's also several misdemeanors that were attacked on her because she was apparently a huge fan of the ass to deal with for the police
because obviously yeah so she was extradited and at this point she was
actually living in Idaho and so she was actually headed back to Idaho and held on one million dollars of bail on June
9th a search warrant is executed on Chad's home and they find human remains Chad is then charged with murder and
yeah and on June 13th it was confirmed that those remains belong to JJ and
tightly yeah you can be a bad parent and like
get your kids taken away and then go into foster care which is like not great but better than being dead
there's also a part of this that when so apparently Alex and Chad were on the
property at some point and Chad texted Lori that I just buried around I buried
a raccoon or something like we don't know what any of this means but it's again it sounds like Alex
was involved in all this stuff and so yeah that's where things mostly
um stop there was a lot of legal shuffling that happened charges were dropped others were added bail went up
bail went down boy actually was found at one point to be completely incompetent to stand trial and then later on that
was reversed it's very interesting I mean initially I mean you can tell that she's not well I
mean she believes in some pretty crazy [ __ ] and she killed her kids so like editorial stance I do think she was
involved in killing the husband as well so the trial was originally set for January of 20 20 uh 2023 uh so it was
about to happen then that date was canceled and it's supposed to be moved up to some date that we do not know yet
this is kind of a crazy story there's so many things going on that we haven't covered so there's another piece of this again this family is absolutely
incredible other facts that came out in the middle of all this was that Lori's
nephew-in-law was shot at by someone driving Charles valo's car after Charles had died it's
just like what yeah and then Alex the crazy brother
he died suddenly in 2019 like after after all these deaths presumably
happened it was attributed that natural causes but there's so much like
there's so much death surrounding this family it's just it's kind of nuts you
know I yeah yeah so no just as for that guy but he
should he should have been in jail for a long time because he killed someone but I guess I don't even know if would he ever been in trouble
because they already were like oh it was self-defense for whatever reason so I guess well you never tried him so it would have been like a double jeopardy
situation so they could have later on discovered it they put you know if they actually gave a [ __ ] they could have looked at phone records and no one house
one of these people are Lori was probably texting like yeah Charles is in the front yard
Nobody's around make sure you put it into his Temple you don't need like oh yeah they would have figured something out good job practicing shooting at
Tammy in the garage you know when I was what I was going through and just like researching the scaling going all the
way in the Weeds on this it occurred to me and the analogy I came up with was this is basically as if the blue family
from Arrested Development in the Firefly family family from House of a Thousand Corpses came together like there's
Psychopaths they're also bumbling and stupid it's like a weird mix of both uh
right and they just like believe whatever they want to believe I just do we know how the kids died
I mean obviously this is like so sad for the kids but like what were they telling the kids you know like imagine like
living in a house where parents are like or whoever your mom is like blah and like the world's gonna end and
I'm don't worry because I'm reincarnated blah blah blah like do you you believe them I guess because you believe your parents like that's you know as a kid
you're like okay so like were the kids afraid like were they together when they were killed do they know hopefully they didn't I just like they always like go
to the worst case of matching them like being afraid before they died yeah you know and like that just oh that just
like makes me sick yeah it's it's the trust they put in their parents and then
hopefully hopefully not knowing what the hell is going on before it happens yeah
yeah so so yeah I think you know I kind of
went into conclusion mode here um again because the trial has been set a lot of the details are still you know
up in the air I I honestly think that the moment this relationship was doomed to go this
direction was when she started getting when we started just even getting reading Chad's books and then because if
it wasn't Chad I think it would have been someone else if it wasn't because she started thinking like a
but just I the worst version of like an anti-vaxxer out there like you start
like putting these pieces together for herself and if it wasn't China really do think they would have just done it with someone else
I do think so my take on it is that they had some
sort of a positive validation feedback loop between each other I didn't say this but Chad and Tammy
they created that company and had been around for a while they did a self-publishing they publish all kinds
of books it wasn't just theirs okay so Tammy like also was kind of crazy
I mean I'm saying like she believes like this this like Doomsday end of the world stuff that they're talking about and so
like so Tammy's not like oh my husband's going crazy she's like no we're fine this is what we've always done yeah
basically but but my point on that is that for 29 years well I don't know how long the the
publishing company was around but they were married for 29 years so Chad was apparently together enough to hold a marriage together for 29 years which I
haven't done before and then on top of that they started and Iran this company where Tammy was like the CFO and he was
the CEO and they had like employees and staff they were publishing like I don't know who was the driving force but it
feels like when they came together they fueled each other yeah yeah in a really
bad way yeah um so and again this is this note I think
it's like this one's really really interesting to me so in March of 2020 after everything
happened with Chad and Laurie they're in jail there's a guy named Brandon bordreau
but hopefully I'm saying that right he had a child custody dispute with his wife Melanie Paul paloski I'm doing
great here beautiful Brandon is Lori's nieces ex-husbands so think of Lori's sibling
as a niece and then okay that is the ex-husband so in the filing
Melanie told Brandon that she was concerned for the kids because Lori and
Chad believed quote their children are possessed and had become zombies end
quote so this isn't a quartz filing for a custody battle that has nothing to
do with this before that you know this this is gonna be incredible okay so it goes a little
bit further in the filing literally they handed this to a clerk of the court
um it defines zombies it defines zombies and this is all
quotes human bodies that have had their original Spirits forced from them and
have been possessed by either a demon a disembodied Spirit or a worm or a slug
end quote the women's slug part I don't really get no that makes sense what are you talking about okay
yeah fascinating they said that about other people's children no they said that about their own
children I don't know what the relevancy of that is in this child custody battle maybe it
has to do with like Brandon's Judgment of bringing his kids to Chad and Lori's house to hang out right
right and we killed our kids oh also because at that part I remember from this story is like
they would be like oh you know what I have bad news as far as it's a zombie and they'd be like oh no and then like think that you were a zombie yeah but I
didn't realize the particulars of how you got there it's not it's not rise from the dead it's there's a worm I'm a
worm now or slug well the spirit is the warmer the slug I
mean look we're already like so far past like it's just like right yeah so
I actually try to read another one of the books that Chad produced it's called the Great Gathering and it's in the same
series it's the same series that Lori got obsessed with um and again I'm not religious so I
don't actually totally understand this stuff but it really seems that you have to be essentially a super Mormon to even
follow along it almost reads like the Bible like and then Izakaya of Jerusalem
with like it's just it's just such a drab [ __ ] I can't I mean I just see
a lot of like carpet in their house I don't know why but they probably had a lot of carpets like crosses hanging everywhere it certainly had like a
really [ __ ] up vibe to it um and like
no it's it's it was probably more like kill the zombie sign and like had a
dagger and like a beautiful fonts yeah yeah it's absolutely Wackadoo and the
book itself was obviously very end-timey um it's all about the Battle of good versus evil um but it but here's the thing about
that I found interesting was that it wasn't metaphysical it wasn't like some ethereal like good versus evil concept
of like the nature of good versus evil it felt physical physical it felt like this is happening and then you hear the
mechanics of what you do to combat it not like prepare your mind for the ultimate
battle no that [ __ ] like it was it was very very literal yeah very literal it
just seemed very matter of fact the way they framed it so Taylor
what's your take I'm so sad I'm so sad for those poor kids
um because they didn't deserve to have these crazy [ __ ] parents and
and the the thing that is just the thing that really I think is
a red flag for like after all all said and done it's all of that weird like oh
I never had a daughter or oh she has been dead for years or like oh I don't
know JJ must be somewhere like that kind of like callous casual lying is so crazy like it's like
you're crazy like you can't like that that doesn't make any sense that you can like say that out loud and like look at people in the eye and say that like
something is very very wrong so that I think is like I feel like a good job too people who
like called the police and stuff because they're like this is not this is crazy you know I don't know any
other word to say it but like that that amount of lying is so weird so like what else did she do her whole life you know
that like was like that um yeah look if I don't want to answer a
question I just oh like there's the buffet I gotta get
like more shrimp you don't really find a different way to deflect but just like sitting there with a stone cold face
saying this kid's been dead for three years it's just it's just um
yeah yeah and then like on her wedding day two weeks after the freaking other wife died I can't believe people went to
that wedding that's also crazy of their friends because I feel like if you know if that
happened I'd be like I feel like my friend Chad is getting married too soon I'm gonna maybe back out of this one or like not be involved in the celebration
because life was just murdered or died of whatever it causes I'm hot now I'm taking my shirt because I'm just angry
I'm just I'm just sad Taylor is just taking off her jacket not her shirt yeah yeah yeah I mean my outer
shirt um but I'm I'm hot and bothered because I'm so sad and just like it's so
frustrating because it's like for what for what purpose was all this like you're saying like if they're not going to be super rich then like what was it
for like why why like you're not prepared for the end of the world because that's not true and also like you didn't have you don't have a lot of
stuff and like I don't know it was just like like you said like ego ego Loop feed each other with it and like I'm
sure he [ __ ] loved this like cute little blonde woman was like I love your book I know that as a male I can attest that
when women feet or he goes it you can do pretty much anything after that yeah um so
again you know me you know that I'm very respectful towards everyone's belief system but I do think that Mormonism
played a pretty big part of this because if you understand Mormonism you have to
make multiple leaks of Faith to get behind it yeah and also I think that it puts you in this infantized state of
mind where you're like to your point you don't date you just immediately get married to the first guy because you're horny and you need to like just figure
it out I think I think Lori in general because of the way she was raised had to suspend a lot of disbelief yeah totally
and then I think that her introduction to Chad was just the Catalyst that took
over the train when the conductor jumped off you know in his mind Chad was the what's is God's
Warrior and I think that to someone like Lori that is believable because she believes so much to that point
um if you already if you already believe some stuff then like like remember that abducted in plain sight movie yeah where
like the guy who told the girl there were aliens after them and all this stuff and she's like I already believed in all these like fanciful religious
stories so like why wouldn't I believe that you know exactly exactly that yeah yeah
everyone I guess the lesson for me at the end of all this is that if two people with the
same brand of crazy meat maybe slow your role talk to someone if your friends are
telling you things listen to them although I never do that but as a general advice and guidance to
everybody else please do it um so that's it that's our first episode yeah I also want to say
don't don't kill don't kill your children at the very bare minimum when I go out
on a limit and say or anyone ever like maybe kill your husband if he's a shitty Emperor and you have better ideas like
potato potato but like don't kill your children yeah yeah spouses take some
you know children not so much Facebook case faces children no awesome well I think that's it um thanks everyone for
joining and if you have any red flag Tales of your own that you'd want to tell us please send us an email
so hi everyone I hope you enjoyed that part two of our first episode the little
update that I have for you is Lori valo was sentenced to life in prison which is
great because she's awful during her sentencing hearing she said some crazy
[ __ ] uh and like a statement that she was allowed to make she said that her kids are grown up and happy in heaven
they visited her they told her that they're fine not to worry about them Jesus visited her told her she did a
good thing everything's fine and she also quoted that um Bible verse where
it's like V who has no sin cast the first stone which is like not about
killing your children Lori she's absolutely bananas and luckily she will be in prison for the rest of her life
Chad dabell he has not been sentenced yet his sentencing is set for April 1st
2024. hopefully he gets the same gets life in prison because he's he's a bad
guy so that's our update to that awful story we're still so sad for those poor little babes that did not
deserve this um stay tuned we have a brand new episode for you Mondays and Wednesdays and then next Friday we'll see you for
part one of episode two when we do that re-release thanks for listening [Music]