Welcome to our first episode! Today Farz and Taylor begin our journey into true crime and history's most tumultuous relationships. Taylor will talk about Russia's Catherine the Great and her wet noodle of a husband Peter III; Farz will dig into the horrifying story of Lori Vallow and her string of husbands. Follow us on Instagram & Facebook! @doomedtofailpod
Welcome to our first episode! Today Farz and Taylor begin our journey into true crime and history's most tumultuous relationships. Taylor will talk about Russia's Catherine the Great and her wet noodle of a husband Peter III; Farz will dig into the horrifying story of Lori Vallow and her string of husbands.
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For further reading on Catherine the Great:
Catherine the Great by Robert k. Massie
Great Catherine by Carrolly Erikson
Photos via Public Domain - Lori Vallow Pictures from Refinery29 and ABC news
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[Music] welcome to Doomed to fail the podcast where
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we evaluate other people's tragic relationships so we don't have to evaluate our own I'm farce joined by my
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co-host Taylor and every week we'll be bringing you two Tales one historic and one true crime related of a
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relationships that we're doomed to fail Taylor what is our signature drink today well today I will be talking about
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um Catherine the Great who was Empress of Russia signature drink no I know I'm getting there and the signature drink
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because talking about Russia is just vodka um no mixers
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um no no tonic nothing just let's do some shots of vodka that's our signature drink from
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the alcoholic side perfect and on my side the signature drink is going to be water because we
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are going to be covering some tea totalers um who strayed pretty far from their belief system
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um so with that said uh let's go ahead and kick things off Taylor do you want to start us off yes I will and you know
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what hello fars I'm going to focus on historical historical relationships that were
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doomed to fail um kings and queens and Emperors and arranged marriages and a lot of violence
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in coups and that sort of thing um I might talk about some more modern ones later but right now we're going to
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start um in the 1700s and so I mentioned already I'm talking about Catherine the
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Great it's a little bit selfish because I do have a podcast that I've been thinking about doing for like years and have not
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done um about America's first ladies and what is cool and what I want to talk about there and talk about here is that
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we're in the enlightenment we are in um like the late 1700s this is the same
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time that like in America there's Martha Washington and then also there's Marie Antoinette and
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also there's Catherine the Great it's like a lot of really like interesting stuff that's happening um like with women and with rulers and with like
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revolutions around this time make sense do you know where we are yep okay
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so um yeah in general I just freaking love it I think it's really fun that we're
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all all these people live at the exact same time um have you seen Hamilton I have not but I've heard the playlists
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of Hamilton got it so that I feel like this reminds me of you know when the women are like how lucky are we to be
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alive right now like that's how I feel about this time in history it's just like super exciting I have some sources so you know how lucky you are to be live
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right now this is Enlightenment super exciting things are happening in the world on the globe my sources are I read
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two books on Catherine the Great in 2021 um during pandemic reading time
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um the first one is called Catherine the Great by Robert K Nasi it was okay um the last quarter of it is just like a
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list of people that she slept with and like that there's more to life than that yeah
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well I don't want just like your biography isn't going to be like a list of people you slept with I hope work I
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don't think I hope I hope that's not the case I mean like maybe it'd be interesting for like a little bit but after a while you'd be like okay good
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for you whatever um so that one was okay um but book two that I read was better
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is called great Catherine but Carolee Erickson so that's the one that I recommend um reading for this so I've read those
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in 2021 and then I did some Wikipedia and chat gbt stuff to like um jog my memory
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um and then also have you seen the show The Great on Hulu I have not oh my gosh so it is a it says
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it's a mostly true story um because it's not very true um it's like some things are true people
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different timelines or whatever but essentially it's Catherine the Great and her husband Peter III um it's super sexy
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everyone is like really cool um and in real life they were not it is not that sexy or that cool um but
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definitely still watch it because it gives you like the vibe of being in Russia and that's where they do the tons
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of shots of vodka and then they just throw their glass on the ground and go huzzah um
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do they have indoor plumbing back then no um how sexy could have really been that's
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that's such a good question because not that sexy because it's not very yeah no I feel like
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um people didn't shower that much um well definitely not shower we didn't bathe that much
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um a lot of like heavy makeup and like powdered wigs and you're totally right uh no uh no running water
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um there's a story that is not in my story but to share and someone was like oh I got a new summer house essentially
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and all like the royalty went for the summer house and in the middle of the night half of it collapsed into a lake
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and there were rats everywhere um it was just like that was just like normal and that was like a nice house
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yeah not fantastic so no underwear plumbing and no architecture got it yeah no people are they're dirty they're a
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little sticky they're also cold because they're in Russia um and you're really really far from the
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rest of Europe and you're isolated like Russia is it always has been feeling isolated
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um both you know fits physically and like culturally um before we go to Russia
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we're gonna go to Prussia have you heard of Prussia do you know what that was I feel like that was the opening scene in
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The Gladiator movie from forever ago was them being in Prussia and that is the extent of my knowledge of Prussia maybe
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I don't I don't remember that but sure that I'm sure they probably are um it's like where Germany is in like
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Northern area of Germany um because Germany became a country like very recently like in the beginning of
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the 1900s like it was like a collection of different states in different like places so we're in Germany Catherine the
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Great was born Sophie Frederica Auguste Von angel stormberg in 1729. that was impressive
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thank you I tried it's a long it's a long ass name um she was like minor royalty so like
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not someone who was like gonna be Queen but she was like kind of like hung out
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in those circles her mom Joanna Elizabeth of Holstein got Dorp had to
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get her married I had to get her married to someone like soon to be able to look up their family status that was her mom's goal in the great she's played by
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Jillian Anderson and it's very sexy and fun but uh in real life she was kind of she kind of sucked she
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was kind of awful and so she wants to strengthen precious relationship with Russia and so and is going to send her
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daughter to Russia to marry Peter III who is well he's not part of the third yet but he's going to be and he's in
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line to be the Emperor of Russia so that's where she's sending Sophie our daughter over there
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this also leads to things like have you ever seen that I'm going to ask you a lot of questions you're gonna be like no what are you talking about have you seen
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that picture of King George Kaiser Wilhelm and Tsar Nicholas together right before
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World War One surprisingly so yes nice nice so that this is the start of that so everyone's going to be related we're
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gonna have a lot of cousins and relationships across Europe before all the world wars I'm excited
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yeah I'm I'm actually surprised that you asked me if I saw something and I actually had so close to me oh my gosh I
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love it so Peter III will be Peter III he was they actually met when they were
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kids they were second cousins she didn't like him because he was a wet noodle so I feel like I might be describing people
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in terms of their noodle wetness and he's a well he's a wet one
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like the last noodle in the pot is like stuck on the bottom and you can't get it off the property trying to clean hold on
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so the two people that are supposed to get together are cousins yeah I mean
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yeah okay just like you know Queen Elizabeth and was his face that just died they're
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cousins learning a lot got it um yeah that's I think that's kind of par for the chorus in royalty is that there's going to be a
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lot of cousins getting married so they're second cousins so like you know whatever so Joanna says I want to get my
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daughter to marry um someone who is Rich all these Bachelors everywhere there's like King
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Louie and France like also what's happening I gotta get my girl in front of um a guy so she sends him to Russia
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um she goes with Russia with Russia goes with her daughter to Russia blah blah and they
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um stay there for a little bit the empress Elizabeth is currently running Russia likes her doesn't like her mom
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sends her mom home and then Sophie lives in Russia then forever she never sees her mom again she also never sees her
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dad again when she left pressure her dad was like promise me you won't convert to Russian Orthodoxy and she does like
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immediately when she gets to Russia because one of Catherine's big things is like I am Russian I'm going to learn language I'm going to talk to the people
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um and that was a lot big part of her ruling style like later on so I actually have a fun quote from the 1911
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Encyclopedia Britannica describing Peter and his like wet noodleness so you can
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kind of get a better idea of what he was like and I'll show you a picture of him you'll be like oh okay I mean that
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picture like a painting but like they couldn't make it flattering but in the encyclopedia it said nature had made him
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mean smallpox had made him hideous his deranged habits made him loathsome and
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Peter had all the sentiments of the worst kind of small German Prince of the time he had a conviction that his
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friendship entitled him to disregard decency and the feelings of others he planned brutal practical jokes in which
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blows had always a share his most manly taste did not rise above the kind of military interest which had been defined
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as a corporal's Mania the passion for uniforms pipe clay buttons the tricks of parade and the froth of discipline he
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detested the Russians and surrounded himself with holsteiners so it was a great he doesn't sound like a
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picnic to be in a relationship with at the very least and I want to say like
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when they say Corpus Mania like he would he would play with Toy Soldiers until he was very old and then once he got more
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power he would make his serfs and his servants dress like soldiers but not Russian soldiers like Prussian soldiers
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and then play Toy Soldiers with real people so kind of like a Kevin Spacey from House of Cards yeah and then and then
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maybe a Kevin Spacey in real life as well but like yeah oh yeah but like less manly
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I don't know I agree with that but carry on I'll go with your interpretation like
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if that's possible I just that's I think come like shorter at least um I feel like you're shorter I don't
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know how tall he was but I feel I don't I don't know how tall Kevin Spacey is either but shorter anyway Peter barely
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spoke barely spoke Russian you know played his played with his toy soldier sometimes they were real people so he
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actually was not born in Russia either he was born in like another oppression Holstein area um in northern Europe and was brought to
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Russia because his aunt um Elizabeth was the empress and needed an heir so she was considering him to be
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an heir he's actually the grandson of Peter the Great but very far removed from any of that greatness so
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ask me questions yes I feel like the red flag in this
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relationship is like who these people are it sounds like Peter is
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the worst match for anybody and this poor girl was ripped from her Homeland
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in our family to marry a cousin who's also a stranger it just all sounds bad yeah no I feel
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like any any arranged arranged thing I feel like has is probably red flag any like especially if it's like for
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Royal purposes you know like to enhance the relationship between Prussia and Russia it's not to like
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because you like each other or because like you like each other or like whatever it's like all about land it's
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all about like um you know getting getting power um it's you know it doesn't matter if
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it's your cousin so like it's definitely um you know a little game of thronesy
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because it's just like power and incest and all that stuff so I think that obviously is a huge red flag and then
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um Peter's just like not mature enough to be in a relationship he's he's never had to be and he doesn't understand like
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what it would take emotionally to be in a relationship with someone but I don't know if that was a thing
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then yeah it doesn't sound good yeah we'll probably get to this later but do we know if they were in love at any
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point or they weren't no okay of course not of course sorry no definitely not
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like she gets there um she's 16 when they get married and she gets she goes there in 1744 she gets
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married her Mom leaves she starts to just like really fully be like I'm going to be Russian so she learned like I said
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she learns Russian she becomes um you know friends with the empress Empress likes her she starts to like get involved with the Russian Community
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she's also reading a lot of stuff because she speaks Russian and French and Latin and German and so she's like
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corresponding with Voltaire and like really trying to like bring these Western ideas to Russia because
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um Russia is like way behind everyone else like economically infrastructure wise and part of that is because of the
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isolation you know like it's cool as [ __ ] you have to take a sled to get there you know that's how far away it is
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it's not like easy to get to so Catherine's now the grand duchess a Katarina Alexa but so no
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longer Sophie she's Katarina she's Catherine and her and Peter get married and she's you know reading and doing all
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this stuff but she's not having babies and the question is like why isn't she having babies it's been like a couple
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years like what's going on in the the rumor is Peters didn't know how
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he didn't no one told him how to make a baby oh the whole process yes
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interesting okay quite simple process of baby making um he just didn't know so always simple
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like maybe they like slept in the same bed but they just like never it was
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never consummated they never had they they had didn't do that so eventually he figures it out someone tells him like
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it's pretty much like a drunk Bros around a thing and then being like so Peter you know your wife is not pregnant
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what's going on and he's like oh we're hugging a lot I don't know you know and then someone like tells them how babies
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are made and he's like oh and then he gets a mistress because he's like that sounds fun you know yeah yeah he sounds like he
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learned how uh most of us learn from from the pros well not bros more so like
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in you know Middle School probably but yeah yes exactly so he's like mentally
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there he's like eventually in middle school so Catherine's like okay fine well then I'll also like take a lover
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and so she you know they both have relationships which is super normal in this time also like a king or queen will
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have a favorite you know someone who is like they're a person to like you know have
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sex with and not worry about like you know getting pregnant so much because ideally like your wife would just be constantly having babies because half of
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them were gonna die you gotta get a boy all that kind of thing right like you've seen you've seen did you watch House of
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the Dragon no but everybody tells me too but I'm gonna be a contrarian and wait until it's done and then watch it the way I
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did with Breaking Bad anyway spoiler alert like 75 women die in childbirth so like it's the same idea where like
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everyone's dirty and if the baby's like not coming out perfectly you're gonna die so so they just have various lovers
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that's totally normal and totally fine but they're trying to you know get to power in Russia and they have a little
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bit of a idea to do a coup against Elizabeth and who is you know Peter's Aunt she's a current abreast they're in
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line to be to be next but they're trying to overthrow her Elizabeth finds out and says listen you guys got to give me an
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error and I won't have you killed essentially so they do they do make a baby his name is Paul he's a boy he does
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become emperor of Russia eventually he is also a wet noodle um which I think is proof of his uh you
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know parentage is that he's a butt noodle just like his dad it is interesting they named him Paul it's
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it's like Paul's the guy you study with at the library like you you want
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something more I haven't I've been in the story
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perfect so this timeline is wax please if anyone is a Russian historian don't
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come to my house and kill me but Elizabeth is Empress of Russia when we know when they're when they're there
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she became effortless but overflowing but over overthrowing um Emperor Ivan who was two months old so Emperor Ivan
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was just two months old he was like you know a baby and she was like [ __ ] this I I'm even though I'm a woman I'm still
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gonna do it so she put him in jail and he was in jail for 20 years and then one day there were people who were like
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trying to help him escape and accidentally killed him lots of bad luck yeah yeah he didn't
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have the stones at two months old to withstand the coup I take it yeah so Ivan didn't make it but he was he was
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also someone who who could have been Emperor but he wasn't so we had Paul eventually so now you know they're
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hanging out Peter has a mistress who's rumored to just like be awful just like
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not very nice like not pretty people are like why do you have a terrible woman as
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your as your mistress but he like loved her so that's like Peter's great love is is this woman and Catherine's great love
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is a man named Gregory orlov and they are he's a general and he's like you're
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so smart we know better than Peter like we have to be prepared to overthrow him when he becomes Emperor and they kind of
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they start thinking about that and planning that for a really really long time
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they were surrounded by people was this was this would have been so clear that something was going to be going
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awry at some point when she your wife is hooking up with the guy who controls the military yeah he didn't see this coming
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I take it I think he just like doesn't care because he's doing like kid stuff you know like playing with Like Toy
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Soldiers and he's probably just talking to this woman who's his main his um
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yeah yeah oh totally so he's just like not really
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I don't think he's all there like he just wants to play he wants to he also has a lot of plans to like align with
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Prussia and like cyber them in like different Wars and things over here Russia really wouldn't do that so you
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know he's just kind of like busy doing his own things they don't live together you know there's like a whole all sorts of things like they're
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they're pretty separated and then so Elizabeth who is empress is she dies in
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1762 and Peter becomes Emperor he is Emperor for about six months that's as
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long as he makes it so she you know he's making everybody really mad he but he does pass like 200 new laws so there's
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actually a little bit that I was reading where like maybe he's not the worst and like a new new historians or like being
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like well he did some Progressive things you definitely want to separate like Church's State and like you know he couldn't he wasn't like the worst human
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ever maybe he's like a not soaking wet noodle um but I don't know I didn't read a lot about that but he did a bunch of
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stuff so 200 new laws in his first six months Catherine's just like smarter than him you know and people can see
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that and she's like doing this thing and people are excited about her so um in July 1762 six months after Elizabeth
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dies Peter starts to actually get a little nervous he's like oh I can see
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her hanging out with people that maybe could not want me maybe emperor so he finally got you on yeah yeah so he has
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them all arrested so Catherine said it happens like in the middle of the night in one day all of a sudden other people
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are arrested and like she's like I don't know what getting letters from horses I don't know like it's like happening
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really fast and she's like so she runs to where the soldiers are and she says listen everyone you need to protect me
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from my husband he's going crazy he arrested my friends like he's the bad guy I want to be in charge of Russia I
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will do a better job than him and she has the same thing to the clergy and everybody [ __ ] loves it they're like this sounds great like they've it's been
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rumors people have been talking about it so they all swear allegiance to her and they do this like weird thing with like
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boats where like Peter's On A Boat and she's on a boat and she's like oh my God just give up he like tries to run away then he finally he like he gives up and
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she makes him sign over abdication paper so she is now the empress I I love how
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directly the parallel here is when a relationship breaks up and you have shared mutual friends and it's like are
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you my friend or are you his friend it's the exact same thing except with like armies exactly
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and like 90 of them chose her you know because they were like you seem like at least you [ __ ] speaker language you
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know like you if it knew nothing like they knew that so so Catherine says okay thank you for signing this over I'm
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gonna send you to jail for a little bit and then we'll talk later like that sounds great but guess what happens
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she kills him yeah they never talk he dies he mysteriously dies in jail like two days later so it's just like all
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those people in Russia right now get thrown out of like Windows of hotels basically yeah like oh that's crazy just
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like Ivan who got killed by his people saving him that makes no sense you know you told me you're in a Russian jail
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probably I could I could have guessed that I could have presumed that yeah so Peter is now gone they never had a
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chance to talk it out he's just gone and Catherine is an empress of Russian she rules Russia for three decades she does
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a bunch of like cool modernizing reforms some stuff she doesn't do she does have more kids she meets you know a couple
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other men who become her her favorites when she gets older when she's like 60 she has his uh favorite like boyfriend
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who's like in his 20s and she just like loves him and they just have like such a good time together and he dies and she's
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so devastated because he was like another person she really loved or a lot of he cheats on her a bunch so she like you know gets the kicks him out but ends
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up still like you know hooking up with a bunch of people um which again is not the most interesting about her but it happens so
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she has more kids she expanded the empire into Asia into Europe she was you know had an alliance with England so she
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was really just kind of talking to to everybody and one of the cool things that she did first was she visited as
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much of Russia as possible which is really really hard like literally she was in like a a sled full of Furs and
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like going across like the the um the what's it called what's it called up there Alejandra the Siberian Siberian
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yes yeah yeah so she's like doing all that she there's a big part of Russia
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that is Islam so she's like you know cool with them she's cool with different religions she's like you know really doing that kind of stuff she
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um expands to paper money she creates Banks they're uh the thing that isn't
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great that's not great with any of the leaders during this time is a relation to like slavery and serfdom so in Russia
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they didn't really have the transatlantic slave trade that's really how it's happening at this time but they did have like you know half of Russia
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was a starf which is pretty much like you are indentured to you know the person who owns your land who owns the
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land who owns their land and it's pretty pretty crappy way to live so you know that still happens and the service were
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very much like well she's enlightened and all these things but why are we still living this really shitty life which is like
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yeah why are you but it's because people suddenly British people are still like we're still Rich she became a painter of
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the Arts our collection is now the Hermitage Museum in Moscow right or St Peters wherever it is that's where
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that's her collection she invited a lot of people to Russia she also inoculated people against smallpox so she's like
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pro-vaccination and did it herself so did they also accuse her of embedding
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microchips and they got vaccinated or no the concept was Chief Warren yeah well
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you know what's interesting is like they were scared people were scared and then when they saw that people didn't die from it they did it themselves so they
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like used logic to be like oh maybe this does work and then did it and then we're okay
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rather than being like I'm gonna be mad about this forever and never do anything so the so the people
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in the 1700s Russia who have no running water were essentially more enlightened
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when it came to vaccines than modern day people got it yeah it was fantastic
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um you know um and then one of the last people that that she was with another like great
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love of her life was General potemkin and did you ever see this is farther the
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battleship potemkin which is like one of the first movies ever made definitely do not see that it's in it's
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like make it no but it I mean honestly it's like this is what I remember from
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okay I took like a film propaganda class in grad school and it's like
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this it's a story of a battle and the battleship's name potemkin and it's like coming up to port and like I just
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remember people like falling down the stairs I don't know why they're stairs because also battleships I don't really understand I should watch it again but
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there were people falling down the stairs and rolling but when the first movies ever made in Russia in the world and that that's what I think of anything
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of potemkin but then so they were married actually like secretly married um most people think and they were like
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pretty happy towards like the end of her end of her life he ended up leaving her to go out and like do you know Army
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things to go out to battle and then they ended up leaving her for several of his nieces like he dated several of his
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nieces which is gross and then he died um you know in his 50s like pretty young out in the battlefield so another kind
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of gross incestible thing that was like happening then I'm gonna go on a limb and say those
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relationships were also doomed to fail yes his sister was like can you stop dating my daughters yeah yeah so gross
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so you know whatever Catherine liked him and and that one didn't work out either so when she died you know she did have a
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favorite around but she basically you know she was married to Peter she might have gotten married to put him again she dated or love for a long time dated like
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I went to like dinner but like they did the coup they were together for a long time and those are the great loves of her life and she died on November 16th
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1796. people who didn't like her said that she died having sex with a horse
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okay but you know might kill you and it's not true um but she had a stroke like old people
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do um so after her her son Paul other wet noodle became emperor um and made a
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bunch of bad decisions that led to the fall of the um Russian Empire later wow
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for World War one so she was kind of the beginning of all of that tried to do a lot for the enlightenment you know I
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think she was really successful in her life out in Russia but definitely not
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meant to have like a fairy tale move to a place Mary the prince become
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the queen that part of the fairy tale was not not in the cards for her so what would you what would you say I mean this
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seems pretty obvious at this point but what would you say are the clear red flags that were going on here I mean
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I want to say like her I think she made the best of the situation because she could have done
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like Marie Antoinette also was in a very similar situation just like very to someone random who sucks and she
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did more like hang out in court and you know the reason that people feel the way they do about Marie Antoinette versus
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Catherine the Great because she was like I really want to do these things I think that she wouldn't have had that opportunity if her husband had been
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more of a green flag you know yeah like if she had been if he had been like hey I'm awesome and then she'd been really
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happy then she would have had you know 10 kids with him and she would have just been you know the you know his you know
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there with him while he did all of his stuff and she would have been she could have been happy doing that but he sort of gave her the opportunity to do other
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things because he ignored her and he was like playing with his friends and like you know doing stuff that like he he
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didn't he didn't see her as a threat he should have yeah
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it sounds like it worked out for Catherine and the fact that she has now
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gone down his history as Catherine the Great is a huge indicator of that yeah
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he came from he came from like a lineage of Peter the Great and he's just like Peter you know yeah
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yeah wet noodle I don't like wet noodles okay really interesting cool so that that's
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the story of Catherine the Great her wet noodle Peter III and the relationship that was never going to be super in love
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but ended up making her very successful which was you know always fun to see and then as far as I'm gonna hand it over to
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you for give us something more recent give us some true crime relationship stuff that turned bad I'm like I'm
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nervous yeah let's get into True Crime territory you know Taylor I think you
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and I as well as a lot of our listeners would classify as phds and True Crime and so
28:39
the story I'm going to bring up I'm just going to ask you the top have you heard the name Lori valo before I have yes
28:45
okay so now you know why we're drinking water I'll get into that a little bit a little in a moment so my topic today is
28:51
sitting around Lori valo um which is fine tremendously fascinating I should start by saying that
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her and this person that she was married to that will get to their trials had not
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begun yet and so all the facts aren't out but editorial stance she did it they
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both did it so that's supposed to go with that lady actually it's so abundantly clear that that is what happened
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and so the reason I'm really fascinated with um this case in particular is my general fascination with the concept of
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family annihilators and so family annihilators are people who I
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mean it's self-explanatory right they annihilate their families um and to me maybe I'm being a wet
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noodle but that just seems like very anti-social Behavior to kill your entire family I think um I think that I think
29:42
that you're on the right path of that I think that as an Al Dente noodle is someone who does not murder their family
29:48
so we let's all stick with Al Dente okay um because there's some situations where
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people are murderers and I can completely understand you know you you catch your spouse with someone and
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you wipe them out don't do that please but it makes a lot more sense family Annihilation is incredible and it's
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ferocity and intensity and everything else and what also makes this case really interesting is the the general
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makeup of family annihilators so this stat is from a 2003 uh study I pulled up
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so the numbers are going to be different now but probably not within a huge Cisco marginal Bearer so out of 71 family
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murders 59 were perpetrated by men so about 83 mm-hmm 95 of the perpetrators were both men and
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the heads of the household so think Daddy did it essentially um in this case we're gonna find out
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that that's not gonna that's not the situation um so let's go ahead and set the stage so Lori was born Lori Noreen Cox in June
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of 1973 in San Bernardino California I have nothing against people who've
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been married a bunch totally fine I've been married and divorced people get divorced all the time it's totally
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acceptable totally five times fuels like it feels like
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there's something going on underneath there yeah she's not like well I don't know she's not like a movie star right
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they get married like five or six times but like also like to this was that any of the same people like over and over again I think that's
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I find that fascinating when people like get divorced get married someone new get divorced again and then remarry the
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person from before so it's like three marriages with two people but is it five separate guys it's it's five separate
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guys and I'm just gonna start at the top by saying
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I could tell that Lori ballot was probably an incredibly attractive woman in her Youth and a lot of people
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probably gave her a lot of attention and so if your husband
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is a wet noodle thing of the day then it would be easy to continuously move on from person to person okay well okay
31:54
she's born in 1973 she's not like a hundred but fine she's not no no
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so let's let's go and let's let's say just digest these measures a little bit so 1982 Mary's a guy named Nelson Gaines
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1982. 1992. okay I was like she was nine so
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that's bad that's the red flag yeah big red flag 92 uh 1995 she married someone
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named William laguila okay 2001. so that one actually lasts a
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decent amount of time 2001 she married someone named Joseph Anthony Ryan much to his bad luck and in 2006 she married someone named
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Leland Charles Anthony valo we're gonna refer to this person by his
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name Charles because that's typically what the media calls him and that's what he goes by in his family he's over four okay
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that guy died okay 2019 shows her fifth marriage to a guy
32:53
that we're going to be discussing here in a little bit so she found Salam Iran between marriages quite a bit
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um and if I was Charles I probably would have fought a little
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bit more about how many marriages had happened within that time frame so if you're counting that is three marriages
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in nine years which is it seems you know again numbers torching anyone and also
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it's worth noting going back to the water component of our chat today that Lori is
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also she was also raised LDS but she was a Mormon so Mary young having a bunch of
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kids it kind of goes with the territory that kind of makes sense because like I guess
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if you think you're not allowed to like just like date someone you have to marry them you know but yeah there's so much
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paperwork and it's just so expensive and like it's exhausting and to Lori's credit to whatever
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exciting give her credit um husband number three was physically and sexually abusive reportedly to her
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and her kids oh that's terrible yeah so there's there's a whole host of problems
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did he die yeah he didn't but he he got it in a different way that we'll
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we'll get to him okay okay cool so at some point Lori decides that she's
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gonna tell Charles that she's leading him and the circumstances under which she tells him definitely into some sort
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of not to break so this is going to be the kind of punctuation point of Lori's just uh free spirit to
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what the hell is going on with Laurie so in January of 2019 again she's still
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married to Charles she told him she didn't want to be with me anymore and that she was The Reincarnation of Joseph
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Smith for anybody listening who doesn't know Joseph Smith was the I'm just going to
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say charlatan founder of the Church of Latter-day Saints also known as Mormonism which we are referring to here as LDS so she wanted to say that I'm
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going to say that that that's a bit that's bigger to me than the divorce red flag is the I'm a reincarnated
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person if you're trolls you already got to this you already got to this point because you ignored the divorcement like
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oh my god um which is really interesting because if you think about it I thought reincarnation was a Buddhism or a Hindu
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belief and then she's LDS you know I'm maybe not speaking on the term here but it's curious that she's blending a
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mixing and matching different faiths and belief systems here almost like none of them were true and you can just it's
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almost like that Taylor just barely um so Charleston in love when he was
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hearing clearly uh he tried to have Lori's psychologically evaluated and that didn't go over well yeah she didn't
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take she didn't take that shockingly I can't find any information on what happens during this time all I know is
35:42
that she basically disappeared for 58 days it's gone nobody knows where she was
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just she didn't she did have kids she's left them yeah she left them okay
35:55
so so that's where we are with this um so a month later Charles files for
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divorce and the divorce filing he claims that Lori threatened to kill him if he tries to stop her preparations for the
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second coming the second coming of Jesus
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five months later in July and this this is where it just blows my mind in July
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Louise brother his name's Alex Cox he shoots and kills Charles claiming
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self-defense yeah at that time these people are psychos it's absolutely incredible so at that time the police
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accepted that they were like yeah that's what happened and they just like wash their hands a bit but like okay some
36:39
questions what's what state what state what gun happy state are we in right now Arizona okay uh makes sense and what did
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he say like what were they shooting at each other I don't know it was like a shootout how did he get was he like did
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he say he was like trying to kick me so I shot him with my gun like what kind of self-defense is that so we're gonna find
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out a little bit later that Alex high end of a loose cannon okay Alex
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didn't seem like he needed a lot of motivation to assault or kill somebody
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great so I think we should definitely give him guns I think I think that he passed that passes the test for me
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yeah did this family Lori's side of the family just sounds like a bunch of
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psychopaths it's absolutely incredible yeah the part I was going to get to a little bit later I'll dive into now is that he also assaulted Lori's third
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husband the details that are also a little bit murky but apparently he tasered the [ __ ]
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out of this guy which looks like that guy deserved it right that guy deserved it yeah that guy had it coming so we're
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not super sad about that but it's just the fact that this guy's first instinct in any situation is not talk about it
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not do it's just pull out either a taser or a handgun and
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like what weird I mean speaking of this is a speculation but like why is he
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a sister's protector in that weird way you know like so I didn't write this in the outline
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but apparently Alex and Lori were weirdly sexual with each other in front
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of people there was one thing I read about um from Alex's ex-wife who said that when Lori and him got together he
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would pick her up in that like Ryan Gosling Rachel McAdams notebook way you
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know ways like with it hands on the ass and like really like simulate like rubbing against each other it was they
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had a weird relationship these people are not normal that's not great no I'm uh okay yeah not great okay I'm glad I
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asked because confirmed now you have it in your mind at this point we're gonna rewind a little bit because we need to
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introduce another character who surprise surprise his husband number five four
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years before all this transpired in 2015 Lori began reading a book by a guy named
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Chad dabell which was self-published because of course it was not published right it's a very achievable goal very
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very attainable yeah the book was called standing in holy places um it was this series that he wrote and
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I'm gonna get into I actually did read a bit of this book and I'll tell you my opinion about it in a little bit yeah not fun
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um three years later they actually met in person for the first time in an event and then met him later yes yes years
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later yeah apparently she got into this like like I'm skipping ahead a little bit the
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book is very end of times doomsday so part of me thinks that like this her getting into
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this book it could have been innocuous but like I look spacing what the cover looks like she probably did the same thing and she started reading it and all
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of a sudden she's like halfway through the series and she's like oh like now I'm thinking about the end times and all this I feel like this 2015 interaction
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of like her getting the books and reading them it kind of starts that whole process and this is before she thinks she's Joseph Smith or after
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before okay yeah 2015 book series starts 2019 I'm Joseph Smith and the second
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coming of Jesus is happening I got a plan for it so yeah the name of the book standing in holy places three years later they met in person at that event
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apparently like the morals here are relatively lacks so they had a few
40:12
Liaisons after that interaction Lori would have parties when Charles was out of town Chad would be there and then
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everybody would leave and then he just kind of slink around and say there and so they were she was basically cheating
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on and then yeah and then in November 2018 Lori and Chad actually appeared on
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a podcast so they became friends like they became acquaintances right [Music] I'll get to the podcast
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I think I've heard I think I heard Snippets of the podcast and it's uh
40:41
continues it continues the crazy but I'm excited to hear more about it it definitely continues are crazy it sounds
40:46
like the podcast producer is also the name of the LDS set that they will eventually be involved in it's worth
40:52
noting this is not mainstream Mormonism shockingly the Mormon church has distanced themselves from these people
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and this sect right yeah Joseph Smith told them to it was
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ordained before you signed your checkbook over the distance yourself so the podcast was reduced by preparing a
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people the name of the podcast itself is time to Warrior up I just hate this
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[ __ ] language these people use it's just so it's like you're not a warrior Chad looks like a leather skin swinger
41:23
from Florida like he's not like taking over the world or anything right they all have this vision of themselves which
41:28
blows my mind it's interesting because it sounds like the name of the the producer of the podcast praying people is also the name of the sect that they
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belong to it's hard to actually dig into the details here because I tried going to their website and I tried researching the [ __ ] out of this it's all shuttered
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like there is no like even the webmaster who created the website posted something on there saying we're just going to
41:47
remove this and go about our lives like we're not we're we're done with this at this point it was not true not not
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trapped at all yeah exactly so going to the podcast again I listened to it and
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the theme is just general religious like Nate generous Rel religion in nature and
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The Awakening to Jesus is segues in a proper territory there's talks to be any kind of preparing for the end time
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they're just intense stupid people you know it's it's like the worst combination of everything it's having
42:20
it's like having drive your drivers that make the best sourdough bread it's to just destroy the entire world or watch
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it be destroyed it's awful it's I mean have you read obviously like I love Dan Carlin uh the
42:34
history podcaster like love Dan Carlin more than more than anything and uh I
42:39
read his book I've read up three years in a row around this time of the end of the year because it kind of like I don't know if it gets sums up a lot of stuff
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and I wish it was written post 2020 because it does talk about pandemics but it's called the end is always near and
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it's uh about people have been doing this for [ __ ] ever being like you know oh God Jesus is
42:57
coming or oh no blah blah this is gonna happen and then like scaring people to giving them their stuff and like making
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sure they're in power and it's just like such a thing over and over and over again yeah so that's the interesting
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thing I don't think that these people there was no profit motive here these
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people it's not like they went off and did something great with it like you'll find out what they did with it it wasn't
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like there was some grand plan I also love that I wrote hearing this outline that as I was listening to this podcast
43:24
because there's pictures of them up as they're talking so you can see the face and the voice match up to each other and
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they're like some of this stupid [ __ ] I literally wrote down small dick energy because it is exactly what it is it's
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just just the worst of the worst and the women are like ooh right they're like
43:40
loving it yeah Louie's cheating on her husband with this [ __ ] [ __ ] I hate
43:46
look if your name is Chad I don't have anything against you but he was a chatter like yeah let's be honest so and
43:51
speaking of Chad so he had some really interesting beliefs obviously it's hard to summarize him uh he's basically like
43:57
he's like a sideshow Rouse about a con man he's a religious zealot he probably
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owned a bunch of crystals we don't know for sure I'm sure he had some gold chains that he wore with his like shirt
44:07
wide open yeah just not just not a super appealing person and on his belief
44:13
system he told people this is where it doesn't totally make jive with traditional LDS beliefs he's hoping he
44:20
lived on different planets there's some element of him being like this Celestial being tied into all this religious
44:27
religious opposite like he had already done that yeah yeah so I think I didn't
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write it down but I think it was somewhere around 50 or so planets that he'd lived on oh good for him yeah he's
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been all of the map apparently he also had his habit which was it just it speaks a little bit to what you said
44:44
about like this like desire for power here this he had this habit of categorizing People based on how light
44:50
or dark they were but some like their skin color no no no
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yeah it was no not racist but I mean it was arguably worse because it led to
45:02
like a lot of death and tragedy but you know based off of how light or dark their energy was and so if you had light
45:08
energy like you were in if you had dark energy then you just would cast you out
45:13
would just it very very interesting mentality there he told Lori good sorry
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no I also I'm just I just I feel like this is the best Planet out of 50.
45:24
there's just no way like there has to be one better than this like one that's like like why would you
45:30
sit here if you had an option of like a bunch of other ones like there's got to be one that's better if I continue yeah the Multiverse is true then the Jetson
45:36
actually happened and so you could be a flying car yeah why now
45:41
he also told Lori that she had lived 21 different lives just a lot of stupid
45:47
[ __ ] and apparently all worked on Lori because clearly you'll see that she's very very thin with this guy so it's
45:53
interesting we're going to introduce another character in this story her name is Tammy so in the middle of all this
45:59
and to literally nobody's surprise Chad was also married at the time oh yeah
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yeah Chad bounced around a lot less apparently they were married for 29 years so he was taking it seriously up
46:14
until we get in seven months after Charles is killed by Lori's brother Alex
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Tammy is found dead at her home at the bottom of a staircase that's my
46:24
guess no I think she was in the bathroom actually yeah and this this part again blows my
46:30
mind just shows how little people care uh no autopsy was done because Chad as
46:36
her husband was like no I don't want to autopsy just throw her body in a trench we'll call it a day basically like
46:44
Lori was cool getting divorced just [ __ ] get divorced yeah don't kill
46:49
people getting divorce is fine like getting worse a ton maybe you should talk to a therapist but like don't kill both don't
46:56
kill people I do have my suspicions everybody also have Alex kill the husband so like Lori's not yeah
47:02
absolutely their lives were colliding in a way that was incredibly destructive at
47:07
this point I do I do also want to I guess also Catherine the Great did have
47:12
her husband killed so but that was like a whole it was a whole other thing you know everybody was killing everyone back
47:18
then she went on to do good things so it wasn't you know yeah it could have been worse you could
47:25
have been married to uh to a lawyer Chad here yeah this part I found find like
47:30
almost comical although I shouldn't be laughing about it because so before she died Kenny reported that someone tried
47:37
to shoot at her when she was in her garage and she thought it was a paintball gun
47:44
I don't know but I think she was delusional like
47:50
a paintball gun these paints residue none of which was someone was trying to
47:56
kill her like this is right before she's found dead I think well two two quick two quick things one my dad did get shot by a
48:03
paintball gun one time walking down the street and he thought he was shot by a real gun because he like heard the gun go off it hurt him and he looked down
48:10
and he like had like a big uh stain on his shirt and it was orange and this first thought was oh my God I bleed
48:16
Orange [Laughter] okay okay we'll we'll give it to you the
48:21
benefit of the doubt so that I think it was confusing when you're under Fire but also also for Christmas my husband
48:27
bought me a knife with my name engraved in it so I can't use that knife to kill him because it has my name that's that's
48:33
exactly why I did it too I'm sure so yeah so obviously there's some parallels
48:38
happening between Lori and Chad as they start to get closer to each other and this is around the time that we should introduce the children of Lori into the
48:45
mix so there are three there's Colby Ryan this was with husband number two
48:50
he's at this point 27 years old he's not relevant related to the story except for the initial involvement he had in trying
48:55
to find the other two kids so um super cute I don't know that I've not seen
49:01
this dance pictures he's very cute continue I just wanted to bring that up listeners look up Colby Ryan and you can
49:08
let us know if you also Caleb thanks Colby was adopted by husband number three that's why he has the same last
49:14
name Ryan as the guy who was sexually assaulting abusing and hurting everyone basically right
49:20
the other two are Kylie Ryan she was born to actually actually born to
49:27
husband number three in 2002. and then JJ
49:32
who was born in 2012 now this was Charles valo's great grand nephew who
49:37
the couple then adopted as their own so it was for whatever reason they didn't think the family should take care of them and they adopted him as their own
49:44
so okay on September 8th Tyler was last seen at Yellowstone with Lori and Alex
49:50
again Alex is a psycho like why are they taking this child alone into like a
49:56
national book it's just like he's already killed some he's already killed Charles yeah he's already killed Charles okay
50:02
yeah anyways again like I wrote down here Lloyd's brother seems critical all this stuff like he obviously has
50:09
incredibly violent tendencies and now they're just gonna go camping alone with this child yeah
50:14
a few weeks later on September 24th we're still in 2019. Lori called JJ's school to tell them that he's being
50:20
withdrawn to be home we actually don't really know what happened between the 8th and the 24th there were some discussions about neighbors seeing them
50:26
packing a car late at night with stuff and like whatever like there's again the
50:32
facts haven't come out yet so this is all speculative on November 5th Chad and Lori get married and this this part
50:37
again just blows my mind how incredibly stupid these people are
50:44
um so this is this all this is they get married two weeks after Chad's wife is found dead so
50:50
red flag right oh my God wait a month Jesus Christ yes wait four weeks after that I'm gonna
50:58
say that's the minimum yeah 29 years it's incredible so again this is support
51:04
that blows me away and this thing cooperated so at the wedding I guess like people were asking
51:10
where the kids were and they told them that Tyler was either dead as of 2017
51:18
or that Lori had no children at all what what
51:24
so this part I know because I know I know this part of the partially the story but like I feel like as I want to
51:31
be like as a parent this is crazy but that's that's a freaking human being this is [ __ ] crazy you know like I
51:36
don't get nothing special for being a parent like what that doesn't make any sense like you're like you're lying and
51:42
you're like in the weirdest way possible strange it's a very strange point to get
51:49
out of the fact that you definitely killed these kids just like say there was someone else oh they're
51:56
with my friend Beth I don't know like so they get around to that they get around to that but they get around that with
52:01
the police not with everybody else weird obviously all these facts just stack on
52:07
top of each other again it's all circumstantial but you can deduce something out of this um this Behavior so and then this is the
52:14
part where it all kind of spirals into that scenario a few weeks after this marriage JJ's Grandma K she called the
52:21
police to connect to welfare check on JJ Lori then told the police the kid was away with a family friend her name's
52:28
Melanie Gibbs again not to support anybody Melanie is also on these podcasts if you start looking them up
52:34
and again like just put the face to the voice and hear what they say and you'll
52:40
reach your own conclusions about Melodies like Doom the the Doomsday podcasts yeah yeah
52:46
actually I think the podcasts were all taken down so everything he finds can be archived through um YouTube but still
52:51
it's worth just listening for a few minutes just to know that there's people like this that exist in the world um if I need a little rage boost
52:59
yeah please call Melanie and they were informed that she hadn't seen JJ in months the FBI
53:06
and local police went to search the house the next day only to find it had been abandoned Melanie later confessed
53:12
the police that Lori and Chad told her to lie to the police by the whereabouts of JJ so basically Lori and Chad called Melanie was like Hey people apparently
53:19
are asking questions about these kids because oh my husband's dead at the hands of my brother and now these kids
53:26
aren't around and people are being really suspicious about it and so they're absolutely
53:31
it's like other people annoying you know like uh it's very it's very excuse me
53:37
Anthony at the hotbod contest it is very very Casey Casey Anthony of them that is
53:42
a great reference we're gonna throw that back so around the summer the police also become aware so at this point
53:47
they're on they're they're like we just are looking for JJ because there is nobody else asking about Thai League I
53:54
guess Tyler's original dad and then later stepfather didn't really care what was going on with Tyler and boy
54:00
obviously didn't care and so this time the police didn't even know that Charlie's been missing December is when
54:06
they become aware that oh there's another kid involved here what's going on with that one yeah and so at that point things start unraveling pretty
54:13
quickly which it should be because these people are complete idiots the FBI started looking at Candy's death more
54:18
closely they exhumed the body to conduct an autopsy we actually don't know what the results the autopsy are because
54:23
officials never released that Phil I'm sure it'll come out during the trial um that's nice that he didn't have her
54:28
cremated no what an idiot I haven't murdered someone I'm gonna have them cremated that doesn't that there's no
54:35
good point it's yeah well you got that listeners if
54:40
you kill someone make sure you cremate them yeah but don't kill anyone as the investigation starts narrowing in on them Lori and
54:48
Chad decide to book it basically they released a statement to their lawyers which was the stupidest statement I've
54:53
ever wrote in my life about their just loving parents and just everything you would expect of people
55:00
who are obviously guilty of doing horrific things right but I don't know where my kids are but like come on
55:05
yeah exactly just look at them look how happy they are they are free they look oh my God
55:12
so on February 20th of 2020 Lori gets arrested and I'm gonna invest my
55:17
favorite vacation destination ever Kauai which is an island in Hawaii um she was initially just charged for
55:23
desertion and non-support of a child because nobody can find the kids there's no body there's no evidence of anything we just know that there was kids and now
55:29
there's no kids there's also several misdemeanors that were attacked on her because she was apparently a huge fan of
55:34
the apps to deal with for the police because obviously yeah so she was extradited and at this point she was
55:41
actually living in Idaho and so she was actually running back to Idaho and held on one million dollars of bail on June
55:46
9th a search warrant is executed on Chad's home and they find human remains Chad is then charged with murder and
55:53
yeah and on June 13th it was confirmed that those remains belong to JJ and
56:00
tightly leaving the fire station yeah you can be
56:06
a bad parent and like get your kids taken away and then go into foster care which is like not great but better than
56:12
being dead there's also a part of this that when so
56:18
apparently Alex and Chad were on the property at some point and Chad texted
56:24
Lori that I just buried around I buried a raccoon or something like we don't know what any of this means but it's
56:30
again it sounds like Alex was involved in all this stuff and so yeah that's where things mostly
56:38
um stop there was a lot of legal shuffling that happened charges were dropped others were added bail went up
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bail went down boy actually was found at one point to be completing confidence to stand trial and then later on that was
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reversed it's very interesting I mean initially I mean you can tell that she's not well I
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mean she believes in some pretty crazy [ __ ] and she killed her kids so like editorial stance I do think she was
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involved in killing the husband as well so the trial was originally set for January of 20 20 uh 2023 uh so it was
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about to happen then that date was canceled and it's supposed to be moved up to some date that we do not know yet
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this is kind of a crazy story there's so many things going on that we haven't covered so there's another piece of this again this family is absolutely
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incredible other facts that came out in the middle of all this was that Lori's
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nephew-in-law was shot at by someone writing Charles valo's car after Charles had died it's
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just like what yeah and then Alex the crazy brother
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he died suddenly in 2019 like after after all these deaths presumably
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happened it was attributed that natural causes but there's so much
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there's so much death surrounding this family it's just it's kind of nuts you
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know I yeah yeah so no just as for that guy but he
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should he should have been in jail for a long time because he killed someone but I guess I don't even know if would he ever been in trouble
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because they already were like oh it was self-defense for whatever reason so I guess well they never tried him so it would have been like a double jeopardy
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situation so they could have later on discovered it you know if they actually gave a [ __ ] they could have looked at phone records and no one else wanted
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these people Lara Lori was probably texting like yeah yeah Charles is in the front yard
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Nobody's around make sure you put it into his Temple you don't need like oh yeah they would have figured something out good job practicing shooting at
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Tammy in the garage you know when I was I was going through and just like researching the scaling going all the
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way in the Weeds on this it occurred to me and the analogy I came up with was this is basically as if the blue family
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from Arrested Development in the Firefly family family from House of a Thousand Corpses came together like there's
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Psychopaths they're also bumbling and stupid it's like a weird mix of both right and they just like believe
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whatever they want to believe I just do we know how the kids died we don't we don't we don't know anything yeah it makes me so sad because I mean
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obviously this is like so sad for the kids but like what were they telling the kids you know like imagine like living
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in a house where parents are like or whoever your mom is like blah and like the world's gonna end and
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I'm don't worry because I'm reincarnated blah blah blah like do you you believe them I guess because you believe your parents like that's you know as a kid
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you're like okay so like were the kids afraid like were they together when they were killed do they know hopefully they didn't I just like they always like go
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to the worst case of matching them like being afraid before they died yeah you know and like that just oh that just
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like makes me sick yeah it's the trust they put in their parents and then
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hopefully hopefully not knowing what the hell is going on before it happens yeah
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yeah so so yeah I think you know I kind of
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went into a conclusion mode here um again because the trial has been set a lot of the details are still you know
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up in the air I I honestly think that the moment this relationship was doomed to go this
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direction was when she started getting when started just either getting reading
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Chad's books and then because if it wasn't Chad I think it would have been someone else if it wasn't because she
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started thinking like a like just I the worst version of like an
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anti-vaxxer out there like you start like putting these pieces together for herself and if it wasn't China really do
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think they would have just done it with someone else I do think
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so my take on it is that they had some sort of a positive validation feedback loop between each other
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I didn't say this but Chad and Tammy they created that company and had been
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around for a while they did a self-publishing they publish all kinds of books it wasn't just theirs okay so Tammy like also was kind of crazy
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I mean I'm saying like she believes like this this like Doomsday end of the world stuff that they're talking about and so
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like so Tammy's not like oh my husband's going crazy she's like no we're fine this is what we've always done yeah
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basically but but my point on that is that for 29 years well I don't know how long the the
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publishing company was around but they were married for 29 years so Chad was apparently together enough to hold a marriage together for 29 years which I
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haven't done before and then on top of that they started and ran this company where Tammy was like the CFO and he was
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the CEO and they had like employees and staff they were publishing like I don't know who was the driving force but it
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feels like when they came together they fueled each other yeah yeah in a really
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bad way yeah um so and again this is this notification
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like this one's really really interesting to me so in March of 2020 after everything
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happened with Chad and Laurie they're in jail there's getting Brandon wardrobe
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but hopefully I'm saying that right he had a child custody dispute with his wife Melanie Paul paloski I'm doing
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great here beautiful Brandon is Lori's nieces ex-husbands so think of Lori's sibling
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as a niece and then okay that is the ex-husband so in the filing
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Melanie told Brandon that she was concerned for the kids
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because Lori and Chad believed quote their children are possessed and had
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become zombies end quote so this isn't a court filing for a custody battle that has nothing to
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do with this this is important you know this this is going to be incredible okay so it goes a
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little bit further in the filing literally they handed this to a clerk of the court
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um it defines zombies it defines zombies and this is all
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quotes human bodies that have had their original Spirits forced from them and
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have been possessed by either a demon a disembodied Spirit or a worm or a slug
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end quote the women's slug part I don't really get no that makes no sense what are you talking about okay
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foreign
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about other people's children no they said that about their own children
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I don't know what the relevancy of that is in this child custody battle maybe it has to do with like Brandon's Judgment
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of bringing his kids to Chad and Lori's house to hang out after they right and we kill their kids oh
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also because at that part I remember from this story is like they would be like oh you know what I
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have bad news as far as it's a zombie and they'd be like oh no and then like think that you were a zombie yeah but I
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didn't I didn't realize the particulars of how you got there it's not it's not rise from the dead it's there's a worm
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I'm a worm now or slug well the spirit is the warmer the slug I
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mean look we're already like so far past like it's just like right yeah so
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I'm actually trying to read another one of the books that Chad produced it's called the Great Gathering and it's in
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the same series it's the same series that Lori got obsessed with um and again I'm not religious so I
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don't actually totally understand this stuff but it really seems that you have to be essentially a super Mormon to even
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follow along it almost reads like the Bible like and then Izakaya of Jerusalem
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with like it's just it's just such a drab [ __ ] I can't I mean I just see
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a lot of like carpet in their house I don't know why but they probably had a lot of carpet just like crosses hanging everywhere just simply had like a really
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[ __ ] up vibe to it um and like
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no it's it's it was probably more like kill the zombie sign and like had a
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dagger and like a beautiful fonts yeah yeah it's absolutely Wackadoo and the
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book itself was obviously very untimy um it's all about the Battle of good versus evil
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um but it but here's the thing about that I found interesting was that it wasn't metaphysical it wasn't like some ethereal like good versus evil concept
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of like the nature of good versus evil it felt physical physical it felt like this is happening and then you hear the
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mechanics of what you do to combat it not like prepare your mind for the ultimate
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battle no that [ __ ] like it was it was very very literal yeah very literal it
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just seemed very matter of fact the way they framed it so
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what's your take I'm so sad I'm so sad for those poor kids
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um because they didn't deserve to have these crazy [ __ ] parents and
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and the the thing that is just the thing that really I think is
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a red flag for like after all all said and done it's all of that weird like oh
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I never had a daughter or oh she has been dead for years or like oh I don't
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know JJ must be somewhere like that kind of like callous casual lying is so crazy like it's like
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you're crazy like you can't like that that doesn't make any sense that you can like say that out loud and like look at people in the eye and say that like
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something is very very wrong so that I think is like I feel like a good job to people who
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like called the police and stuff because they're so they're like this is not this is crazy you know I don't know any
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other word to say it but like that that amount of lying is so weird so like what else did she do her whole life you know
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that like was like that um yeah look if I don't want to answer a
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question I just oh like there's the buffet I gotta get
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like more shrimp you don't really find a different way to deflect but just like sitting there with a stone cold face
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saying this kid's been dead for three years it's just it's just um
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yeah yeah and then like on her wedding day two weeks after the freaking other wife died I can't believe people went to
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that wedding that's also crazy of their friends because I feel like if you know if that
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happened I'd be like I feel like my friend Chad is getting married too soon I'm gonna maybe back out of this one or like not be involved in the celebration
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because life was just murdered or died of whatever it causes I'm hot now I'm taking my shirt because I'm just angry
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I'm just I'm just sad Taylor is just taking off her jacket not her shirt yeah yeah yeah I mean my outer
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shirt um but I'm I'm hot and bothered because I'm so sad and just like it's so
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frustrating because it's like for what for what purpose was all this like you're saying like if I'm not gonna be super rich then like what was it for
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like why why like you're not prepared for the end of the world because that's not true and also like you didn't have you don't have a lot of stuff and like I
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don't know I was just like like you said like ego ego Loop feed each other with it and like I'm sure he [ __ ] loved
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this like cute little blonde woman was like I love your book I know that as a male I can attest that
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when women feet or he goes it you can do pretty much anything after that yeah um so
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again you know me you know that I'm very respectful towards everyone's belief system but I do think that Mormonism
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played a pretty big part of this because if you understand Mormonism you have to
1:08:22
make multiple leaks of Faith to get behind it yeah and also I think that it puts you in this infantized state of
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mind where you're like to your point you don't date you just immediately get married to the first guy because you're horny and you need to like just figure
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it out I think I think Lori in general because of the way she was raised had to suspend a lot of disbelief yeah totally
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and then I think that her introduction to Chad was just the Catalyst that took over the train
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when the conductor jumped off you know in his mind Chad was the what's it's God's Warrior and I think that to
1:08:56
someone like Lori that is believable because she's leaving so much to that point if you already if you already
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believe some stuff then like like you remember that abducted in plain sight movie yeah where like the guy who told
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the girl there were aliens after them and all this stuff and she's like I already believed in all these like fanciful religious stories so like why
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wouldn't I believe that you know exactly exactly that yeah yeah everyone
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I guess the lesson for me at the end of all this is that if two people with the same brand of crazy meat maybe slow your
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role talk to someone if your friends are telling you things listen to them although I never do that
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but as a general advice and guidance everybody else please do it um so that's it that's our
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first episode yeah I also want to say don't don't kill don't kill your children
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at the very bare minimum I'm gonna go out on a limit and say or anyone ever really maybe kill your husband if he's a
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shitty Emperor and you have better ideas like potato potato but like don't kill your
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children yeah yeah spouses take some you know children not so much Facebook
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children no awesome well I think that's it um thanks everyone for joining and if
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