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Finally re-releasing the stories from Doomed to Fail Episode 10!!! We are finally telling the stories that are in our theme song - Farz starts out with the story of OJ Simpson & his ex-wife Nicole. If you were alive in the 1990s, this is all you talked about the entire time. It was either OJ's spectacular Football career, his acting, rumors of domestic violence, and the most famous murder in America. This story brought us the Kardashians, the most-watched live car chase in history, and decades worth of entertainment as we try to justify how a murderer is currently golfing.
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hi friends Taylor from Doom to fail I'm super excited for this week's re-releases we'll be releasing episode
10 in two parts part one and part two for episode 10 we decided to do the stories that are in our theme song So
for this first part farz is going to talk about OJ and Nicole Simpson um if
you were there you were there and if you weren't um buckle up it's crazy and OJ
Simpsons you know still around and out of jail so let us know what you think
let us know your theories and your thoughts and it's a truly American story of sports and murder and fame so yeah I
hope you enjoy if you have any questions or any ideas for us Doom toil pod gmail.com please take a second to like
us on Apple podcast it means so much to us and um we appreciate you a matter of
the people of State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09
and so my fellow Americans and not what your country can do for you ask
what you can do for your [Music]
country welcome to Doom to fail the podcast where me and Taylor seemingly
keep missing each other in Dallas um I'm fars um joined here by Taylor hi Taylor
how are you I'm good how are you I'm tired I just got to Dallas and I missed
you by a day but here we are but not on purpose it was I was trying to get out
Thursday night and super annoying my plane got canceled really late so luckily I have a friend that lives
pretty close to the airport so I went and stayed with her I just like got to her house at midnight and then like slept on a um air mattress and then left
at 5: to go back to the airport and I was on standby for an 8:00 flight back to California and luckily I got on it
otherwise I would have been there like the rest of the day that's awful that's so bad yeah so happy to be home yeah
that's good to hear um we are G to be doing uh this is our 10th episode which is a special 10th episode for
usoo I'm kind of proud of us for getting this far um and Main I am too it's very
exciting yeah and you had a suggestion for what we should do for our 10th
episode you want to tell folks what that is yeah I thought to celebrate and it's
so funny because I feel like a lot of podcasts when they get to the like 100th episode they have a party and I'm like oh my God that feels so far away but
we're here at number 10 and I thought that we should do the relationships that
are in our theme song um fara's brother made it for us and it has two pretty
famous um stories in it so we thought we'd head over to those love it you're
going first I'm going first what let's start with your drink okay I'm gonna try to do this my drink is a Sam Adams
because it's a nice Boston Lager how do you do Boston laga just nailed that
accent talk Boston laga but I don't have that all I have is
a stone IPS I'm gonna drink that right now but um sounds so good hold let me see my parents but I only have one
beer I think oh no I have Bud Lights because whenever my dad visits he leaves a trail of Bud Lights bu light Lin where
comes to I can always have a bued light no just regular ones oh man there's no
beer okay so much for that my drink is a
screwdriver because I am covering orenthal James Simpson and I feel like I
feel like if you're married to him you got to be drunk on screwdrivers you got to pour some vodka in the OJ to maintain
that marriage for any bit of time it's hilarious I love it it's real good also
I'm totally aware that my audio quality is going backward WS this week and it is just because I'm
traveling that's okay yeah so let's go ahead and Dive Right In so I'm going to
start with my side of the the true true crime side of things with OJ Simpson
I'll start by saying that this story has been covered to death but in researching
this episode so many things came up that I just forgotten about or never really knew some of our listeners like
ourselves were old enough to remember why watching the white Bronco Chase if that is you then you already probably
know the broad Strokes of what happened here but we're going to go into it anyways if you're too young to remember
in addition to this podcast I would recommend checking out the people versus OJ Simpson on Netflix Taylor have you
seen that I have it's a by the American it's American Crime Story right or is
the documentary uh this this is not the documentary this one's the 10 part
series um that really just starts with the murders and ends with the verdict he Gooding juniors in it he does an
incredible job as OJ and if you remember John Travolta plays Robert Bob
Shapiro I do remember that very nice and Sarah Paulson is in it too she's the the
other lawyer she great uh Mar Marsh Clark yeah yeah she's so good so
obviously this is you know it is sad spoiler alert two people lost Our Lives Nicole Brown and
Ronald Goldman with the two victims and obviously it's a tragedy and all that all that but the one thing I would say
is that this is going to sound really weird but when I started researching this I thought of Rambo for some
reason and the re what I think I was really focused on there was that there are some things historically that
produce amazing stuff as a result of it so for example I was thinking about I
started going down this path I thinking about Vietnam and how Rambo the character is really a
byproduct like it wouldn't exist but for Vietnam and I started researching what are some other things that were a
byproduct of that war and hrx Zappa Dylan all these amazing iconic musicians
were completely influenced by that war and circling back brot take yeah Bob
Dylan is terrible his song lyrics are like a 5-year-old rth them like it's like he
rhymes words like bird nerd then like that's it that's it he's like not it's
really really bad and I saw him in person like 15 years ago and even then he was too old to be performing and it
was just like oh geez anyway I believe it I'm not impressed yeah I'm not like a a fanboy
of Bob Dylan um I will argue that hendrickx is amazing but you didn't him
so we have to go into it I said nothing about that yeah circling back the topic of today with in this event I went on
Amazon and I looked up the books category and search for OJ
Simpson there were 16 books per page result returned by Amazon and there were
39 Pages oh my gosh you said 16 I was like there has to be more than 16 and there's
like Al 624 books on Amazon right now that you
can read about the O J Simpson trial that doesn't include this is what I feel like yeah go ahead no I'm going to say
like this is what I feel like when people are like oh you're starting a podcast everyone has a podcast I'm like yeah everyone also has a book about OJ
Simpson yeah Ser this does not include anthologies it
just include OJ Simpson in it like spouse killer like all that none of that other True Crime stuff that's not
included in this this is literally just about the trial and actually every character that we're going to discuss
here has written at least one book on it including the prosecutors the attorne
all of them and then in addition to that I went and found there were 20 songs written that reference the killings
there are five like shitty movies that came out immediately after this case
became a thing not including the Netflix series I just mentioned or the three movies that OJ Simpson himself started
in and the TV prank show that he produced so like there's a ton of content that came out of this this uh
case one thing I read that isn't here that I didn't list here but is 100%
believe it is that the night of the murder somebody already started trying
to sell the book rights to a publisher the actual night that they found out
that this happened somebody tried to actually capitalize on it [ __ ] yeah good for that person because I know good for
them too yeah yeah and one thing we can thank this case on is giving us the
credit Kardashian family really I'm not a Kardashian I don't really care but sure happy for them they're doing great
they're doing their own thing whatever I'm sure people have feelings about it but Kim's Kim Kardashian's dad her
father Rob was one of OJ's defense attorneys and a really really close
friend of his we'll get into like how close they actually ended up being and he was also like hilariously played by
David schwimer in the Netflix series he just always I don't know what it is about David schmer but he just always
looks confused he played fastic yeah you
felt so bad for that man rob yeah yeah he was just so sad he
just like was like this is my best friend he couldn't have killed someone and then he was like I'm sure they intentionally did this but they had him like with his kids and being like it's
more important to be a good person than to be rich and you know of course like after he died his family like did their
thing so it's funny don't you feel like that was editorialized just to like poke fun of the Kardashian oh totally was
absolutely but it was hilarious yes yes yeah so long story short is that there
are millions of cultural touchstones that come out of this event we're going to just start by
getting into the main characters here Taylor curious to know your take on this so you're you would have been of an age
you watch this right like you I'm assuming you kept up with this okay yeah was was OJ Simpson a name you would
recognized before this happened I only not as like anything else and I don't
know I don't know if it's before or after but there's this movie that we used to watch when I was little with
aello from The Mickey Mouse Club where she's older and it's called back to the beach and it's like her and her family
Lori laugh one isn't it it's like very bizarre um but used to watch all the time with my family and in that movie
they're at the airport and they see OJ Simpson and they say is that OJ Simpson but then they see he like runs and trips
over a bunch of suitcases and they're like oh no it can't be that actually sounds I don't know it's like a totally
Rand cultural point but um so I might have known like of him because of that that
but like not like a lot like we weren't like Bill's fans so yeah I might have been too young but the name OJ Simpson
meant absolutely nothing to me before this all happened but
apparently I mean people treated this guy like uh Messiah almost there's a
funny story that is debunked now about how James Cameron originally cast OJ as
the Terminator in the movie Arnold Schwarzenegger has said that OJ wasn't believable as a killing machine
so they recast the role for him all all this isn't true so James Cameron actually has come out it was relatively
recently I read an article that James Cameron came out and said no this was literally just one phone call some executive who was on the production
company side of things called James Cameron and said hey we recommend you cast OJ in this role wasn't true but
obviously his name was big enough to where it's being battered around in Hollywood hallways to the likes of a James Cameron right so there he was like
a cultural phenomenon yeah yeah he was like one of the first football like
Superstars because I feel like before there's like a lot of terrible stories about men who were like in football like
the 60s who didn't get paid a lot in the NFL and now have terrible brain diseases
or you brain injuries and people are like oh but you were in the NFL and they're like it wasn't like that it wasn't like I was a superstar all these
endorsements it was like kind of like a regular job you know yeah so he didn't get paid this extraordinary amount so he
was like one of the first I think he did all those Herz endorsements right the Herz cars he was just like I think maybe
the first really really really famous one especially the first black one I think like as a black man being super
uber famous you are nailing everything here that is a really good encapsulation
uh again I wasn't aware no no I wasn't aware of any of like I I'm going to get
into it but like that was actually a really good way to phrase it so going back to the characters the main characters of the
story we have oral James Simpson OJ himself who is a former professional football player and an actor we have
Nicole Brown Simpson um she has no work history to speak of really her OJ met
when she was a waitress at 18 years old and we have Ronald Lyall Goldman who was
a waiter who had the misfortune of being friends with Nicole or having some sort of relationship with her like I don't I
don't we don't know but whatever doesn't matter right yeah I agree I'll start by
saying I love football but America's hero worship of football is kind of
insane there is no doubt OJ was a phenomenal athlete but this guy's hero
status got him into an out of so many things that are completely closed off to normal human
beings it's I mean think about it it's literally the reason why we know his name I mean murdering spouses is nothing
new and yet this guy has been dominating the public Consciousness for almost 30
years now I'm going to go I'm going to list off OJ's Achievements not because
they're meaningful to me or probably really the listeners either but it helps paint a picture of just how respected
this guy was at that time these are just bullet points I'm going to Rattle off he played for USC when and when he
graduated they retired his jersey for context this actually has only happened six times so only six players including
OJ in Trojan history ever had their numbers retired he won All-American
twice in college he won the Heisman Trophy he was basically in every what is essentially now the Pro Bowl of his era
back then it was called the alltime teams he had the most touchdowns in 1975
the most rushing touchdowns in 73 and 75 the most rushing yards for Four Seasons
he won the offensive player of the year three times the Associated Press named him athlete of the year in
1973 once they started actually having Pro bowls and naming it that he played
in five of them he won offensive player of the year in 73 and he won the NFL
most valuable player in 73 as well what a
year it felt it felt like they were just inventing Awards to give to this guy but
he actually was that exceptional his players like his player
stats are way too boring to go into again tons of hero warship here but if you want to you can look on his
Wikipedia page and somebody has meticulously gone through every year everything he did every game he played
and not at all but it I mean even if you don't get to the murders it's like 50 pages of content just by going off of
that stuff I would say that every publication I looked at listed him on the top 50 best players in the history
of football Bleacher Report which is probably one of the more respected you know content creators on the on the
sports front actually has him listed number 16 all time time which is actually ahead of Tom Brady that's the
status of person that we're talking about here I don't know why I feel I said good to that but like I feel like I
feel equally unimpressed with Tom Brady as I do with OJ Simpson even though he has not killed anyone and I hope he
never does I think I think you're just over Boston and New England equal after
your research this week for real so fair that's you did really good on that
that's enough of his NFL stats OJ always also had a passion for acting he actually started doing bit parts and
shows while he was still in college at USC his most famous roles were obviously the Naked Gun movies which are amazing
people should go watch those he also hosted SNL he was a com he was a
commentator for the NFL on NBC and as you had actually mentioned earlier he was also a spokesperson for Herz the
rental car company o was actually kind of sh when it comes to business he knew
like exactly what you just said Taylor he knew he had the factor that had evaded black athletes for most of sports
history White America saw OJ as just this non-threatening very affable
good-looking Charming guy ironically he also had he never had scandals and like
I said before he literally won every single war that existed totally so so he had a ton of endorsement deals um he had
allocated resources from his football you know time was making money doing
football to buying hotels buying restaurants outside of football he was
making about $1 million per year which converted to today's money is about $2.1 million that's away from football that
is literally just endorsements side hustle businesses that he had like I said O.J and Nicole met and started
dating when she was 18 and he was actually still married to a woman named margarite whom she had three kids with
two years later in 1979 OJ margarite divorced and he would eventually marry Nicole in 1985 so by my count that puts
Nicole at 26 and him at 37 years old when they get married yeah so at this
point he he'd retired by the way at this point he'd retired so at this point by time he marri's Nicole he's lived a
complete life I mean everything I just listed off that he did that happened five years before this marriage came
about he marries Nicole and as he's as she's involved in his life he is ramping
up the next round of being this successful actor spokesperson multiple business owner all
the rest of it oh my God imagine if we would have played like Simpson instead of Madden wa played OJ yeah imagine if
like he had been mad and like made the game and like had not done anything bad like he could have just like done so many more things I thought about that so
many times because the way this guy's life derails after this case we we'll get into that talk about
like complete 180 right from the most aable Charming non-offensive non-s
Scandal person to like anyways we know who he is now right like like we always
say we're the only podcast advocating not to kill your family and are the consequences nothing good happens
nothing you turn to O.J yeah yeah so I don't know how smart I think OJ or
Nicole are in comparison to one another but still I mean I would be intimidated
by his success like never mind a 26y old I mean think about this guy's like going to he knows everybody everybody who's
everybody who's rich famous powerful in Hollywood knows your husband and like is very very close to it wants him to like
them that's the status that we're talking about here that's the power Dynamic we always talk about yeah yeah
and this one goes so much deeper so I wrote here that yeah sure there's the power Dynamic that we always talk about
11e age difference wealth so on all the other stuff but it's also different because there's a cultural Dynamic at
play here if if you're Nicole you don't just have a husband in OJ Simpson you
have a national hero like literally Mr All-American like who will ever care
about the faults that you have with this person whether they're abusive or not like how could you have any issues with
with you're married to he's Untouchable yeah yeah they're married in ' 85 they
have two kids together which we never talk about thankfully like I'm researching this you never hear about
the kids ever there's one part of the story where you hear about the kids and that literally had to do when the police
called OJ to tell him that Nicole was dead and he was just like how are the kids that's the only time they really
come up so kudos to the media for a change for not being horrible about this
situation with them but poor kids right yeah poor babies yeah there were obviously claims of spousal abuse one
claim in 1989 actually went to court in total there were 62 incidences of abuse
of which Nicole actually only reported eight mostly this was because she was 100% financially dependent on OJ part of
their marriage included a prenuptual agreement part of that prenuptual agreement included a stipulation that said that she's like legally not allowed
to take on employment she was 100% dependent on OJ that's part of why they
think that she never I mean again only one of those one of those situations actually went to tr there were many
stories that were told about I mean this was a classic I fell on the door knob story right so she always made excuses
for him Nicole are you talk about the 911 calls have you heard them from her I have heard the 911 calls but I didn't
actually include them in this outline do you want to talk about them well just the one that I heard is
he was like beating her up and she was calling the police and she' called them probably several times and she like told
them her address and they were like she's like my husband like he's hitting me and they were like who's your husband and she was like you know who it is it's
OJ Simpson you know she was very like you know who this is like stop trying to
like make me say it she's like you know he's not un like stop making him Untouchable like you know who it is you
know so it sounds like she I mean I'm sure that there were like you said like
tons of times where she didn't call anyone because also like who would believe her maybe or like who wants to
get into that who want you don't want to like step into that puddle yeah it's so it's so Hollywood to me because
everybody's such a grifter and they're all trying to saddle up to power which
is just the dynamic of people in Hollywood yeah and so why would you go against OJ like that's I mean outside of
moral obligations obviously but to Nicole's credit she did finally file for
divorce she SED irreconcilable differences they apparently tried getting back together that obviously
didn't work out and the divorce was finalized some somewhere in in 1992 let's get into the crime itself
I'll start by saying that OJ was obviously acquitted of the murders in Criminal Court he was however found
guilty of wrongful death when he was sued in Civil Court not going super into the procedural side of things but in
Criminal Court the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt in Civil Court it is much lower it is preponderance of
the evidence hence why the results are different all that being said OJ did it like we all know that right yeah I was
gonna say after that but but he did it I do have a conspiracy theory that I'd like to share with you later um but no
he Hesed it yeah I'm call I'm calling that an indisputable fact yes so on June
12th of 1994 this would be two years after the divorce OJ and Nicole attended the recital of their daughter after
which they parted ways Nicole went to a restaurant with her family a restaurant where Ronald Goldman was a waiter side
note I kind of hate how much I love the characters here it is this is such an LA
Story I'm bringing that up because as I researched this I remembered KO kin do you remember him I was just thinking I
was like characters I was like KO yes oh my God totally he's incredible he was he
he lived in OJ's like guest house some burnt out actor anyways uh so in this on this
night while Nicole is having dinner with her family OJ was getting McDonald's takeout with KO at some point in the
night OJ's uh sorry at some point in the night Nicole's mom calls the restaurant they ate at and told them that she was
missing her glasses the manager found the glasses and apparently Ron was supposed to go to Nicole's house to
return them that was the game plan around 11:00 p.m. on that night a man in Nicole's neighborhood was out for stroll
when Nicole's dog came up to him covered in blood apparently yeah apparently this guy
didn't find that suspicious he just like walked home and the dog followed him eventually one of the neighbors some
couple said hey I'll take the dog in the guy didn't want to hold on to it then he was Nicole and then they went back to the house to Nicole's place to return
the dog and that's when they discovered her body so she had been stabbed to death apparently she was nearly
decapitated it was a pretty gruesome scene yeah that's what I heard Ron's body was yeah Ron's body was found
nearby and had also been stabbed multiple times it was assumed that OJ was killing Nicole when Ron showed up
and he took Ron out basically to avoid Witnesses at the scene police found a blue cap and a leather glove which will
come up very famously later on the night all this went down OJ was actually supposed to be flying to Chicago to meet
with Herz Executives a limo driver arrived at his house and waited for him until sometime around 10:40 p.m. or so
to take him to the airport apparently the limo driver stated that he loaded four pieces pieces of luggage in the car
but OJ only flew with three so the Assumption was that he went to LAX and he took a piece of luggage with him that
had incriminating evidence and just dispos of it there in the public bins police call OJ in Chicago the next day
to tell him about Nicole's death he sounded upset but like I said he was mostly disinterested um according to
what's being reported what's reported is that normal like if would someone call like your ex-wife if you were murdered
no right that is weird like why would they call him like I just like probably just because he's famous I guess and
they wanted to talk to OJ Simpson but like that feels really weird I feel like why would you call someone's ex if they
were murdered you would call like anyone else well well what I what I can guess
is that the kids were in the house when she was killed and so maybe oh yeah yeah yeah as a parent okay that makes sense
because he was the parent and the poor kids oh poor babies okay yeah that's the only thing I can figure they ended up
asking him to come in for questioning which he did and he was caught immediately lying immediately like the
first thing coming out of his mouth he like he's such a dope well Al also I
think that he's also probably like in shock about what he did maybe to an extent uh but he he lies about a cut on
his hand and he says that he got it in Chicago yeah like yeah like he said that like he was so stunned when he heard the
news but they found like blood prints in his vehicle like and then he was like Oh no I got it the day before I left for
Chicago I forgot like it was like why what a weird thing to lie about before you said that his hand they had a cut in
his hand I was thinking like his hand would hurt because I remember in like this is gross but I remember in the
Manson Murders one of the girls that had was like stabbing elel fer to death was like I was surprised how much my hand
hurt because yeah it's not easy to almost decapitate someone you know like
what a he just did something so traumatic you know you can't I don't know but like also remember Taylor like
he's like a super athlete he's not a normal weightlifter no I know but that's
like a different it's a different muscle to do a bunch of stabbing I guess I don't know okay idea keep
going the next day after OJ comes back from Chicago goes to talk to the police he hires Rob Shapiro who's a lawyer
basically task with assembling a def defense team for him they call this defense team the Dream Team he hired a
who's who of the most expensive lawyers in Los Angeles they all became anary characters in their own right it was
reported during this time OJ was very very dist sh and super depressed he actually went and stayed at Rob
Kardashian's house with him and his family for several days for the moral support I would assume on June and in
the in the in the show they make it clear that when he did that he had a girlfriend yeah you
remember that yeah I remember that's just that's bananas yeah Barbary or something I me yeah she became um I
don't remember so but that woman had to like share bed with him at the
Kardashians while I mean give me a break that's terrifying there was one one
piece of this which like OJ apparently had a bunch of naked pictures pictures of this girlfriend up at his house and
the jury went to his house to like look at the scene of him being at the house or whatever and apparently uh Johnny
Cochran and Rob Kardashian went to the house and replace all the naked pictures of this woman that he was dating with
like was it it was uh who's that artist that's Norman Rockwell they placed all
all these pictures with Norman Rockwell paintings that's so funny on June 17th the LAPD concludes that they have enough
and they ask OJ to surrender himself they ask him to surrender himself like that's what we're talking about
here nobody else nobody else would this have they would go get him yeah yeah
they this actually is like a huge part of what the Netflix series is like this Saga of getting OJ to the police station
they the police tell Shapiro this who then relayed this to O.J at this point
former formal murder charges have been filed by the state somehow I don't I
don't know maybe it's the thing maybe it's really good lawyering but his lawyers keep delaying him going to the
police station to surrender himself up to a point the lap eventually has enough
and they just go to the Kardashian house to arrest him they're like this is enough finally m
by this point OJ and his friend and former teammate Al callings who we'll refer to here going for it as AC had
apparently disappeared from the Kardashian house and an APB was put out for both of them for their arrest as
fugitives hours after The Disappearance Rob finds a suicide letter from OJ which
okay like I get it suicide sucks this one was so woe as me like it's the
ramblings of somebody incredibly privilege of not understanding how badly he [ __ ] everything up he just really
felt sorry for himself going to the Bronco chase the famous famous Bronco
chase this was such a big deal if you were old enough to remember this they
interrup I remember for sure yeah like they the details of it like rereading I
was like oh my I can't believe this they interrupted an NBA Finals game just to air this I remember when this happened
my parents were having a part at our house and we all everybody literally stopped everything to go watch this
Chase and it also reminded me of like again how La this is I mean you remember this when you lived in La like it was a
Pastime to watch car chases it was just like yeah oh my gosh there's so many that's funny I just someone at my office
we were talking about it recently and she was born that day in Englewood and I
was just like oh my God your your mom must have been like what are the doctors doing they're not here helping me you
know yeah that's wild there are so many details here some of the fun ones are
that what the way they got to OJ during this car chase was they would have all
these people go on the news and start talking like they're talking to OJ but it's being broadcast
across the entire country right um they would have his coaches all these famous
friends he had these former famous teammates and players all of them would go on news shows and literally be
talking to OJ on the radio apparently yeah apparently he had a gun on him as
well AC calls this out and says hey he's got a gun he's basically sitting in the back seat he was wailing about Nicole
about how he's ruined his life just every indicator of how guilty this man actually is this thing I made a mistake
I should not have killed someone yeah basically that so this thing drags on for hours apparently the police
helicopter had to stop and go back and refuel like that's how long this was this was taken on but this this this wasn't like a high speed thing it was
just like this Meandering around the 101 slow yeah it totally was eventually AC
and OJ make it back to his estate and he goes in the house for about an hour
before Rob Shapiro arrives or Bob Shapiro arrives and escorts him out to
be arrested finally getting to the pre-ra side I think OJ pled not guilty obviously and a trial was set for
January 24th 1995 they really harped on the fact that he really wanted an expedited trial for some reason I'm not
entirely sure why he was so in in need of that maybe it was just go back get back to normal life let me get acquitted
and move on I love how literally everyone in this trial became their own
celebrities just by association oh yeah well was it the first trial that was on
TV or was at Menendez brothers it was like one of the two right so I thought the MCM Martin thing was first this
preschool yeah I don't know one of the first I guess it had to
be one of the first uh judge so for example the judge in this case Lance Ido
he was lampooned on SNL Marsha Clark oh yeah I remember that yeah the dancing
OS so Marsha Clark she was the lead prosecutor she became a television
personality who basically now reports on legal matters OJ's own defense team
became super in their own right I don't know if you know this but Bob Shapiro became like the face and founder of um
Legal Zoom oh that's funny the founder well they built him as the founder I'm sure he wasn't I'm sure they the the
actual technical founder really needed like a famous lawyer to like attach it to but yeah that's how he's
built hilarious I love it is he still alive is he dead I don't know I know
that I know that um I know that I mean it's sad like so many of his lawyers
died like weird tragic deaths like Rob K Kardashian famously died pretty soon after this trial and so did Johnny
Cochran actually yeah uh so going into the trial set of it it would be tough to discuss this without discussing
race this murder and the trial happened two to three years after the LA riots
happened which were sparked by the LAPD beating the [ __ ] out of a black band
named Rodney King obviously things like this like the LA Riot don't happen
overnight this was a powder keg just waiting to explode for years it was
obvious that racial tensions in La were on the rise and the police just weren't helping anything there's video of Rodney
King's beating that everyone saw and this is the part that I didn't remember that came up as I was doing the research
but the officers who were responsible were tried and the jury was mostly way
and they were all acquitted so that's actually what started the RS which I didn't actually remember any of this OJ
I I've seen the video I remember that it's awful yeah yeah OJ was obviously a
very prominent very successful black man Nicole and Ron were both white there was
an obvious racial divide and a racial tension in the city at the time
interestingly both the prosecution and the defense had a very similar strategy regarding who they wanted on the jury
but for very very different reasons so the prosecution wanted women because
they assumed that domestic the domestic violence component of this would resonate with them the defense also
wanted women but they were very specific they wanted only black women because their research showed that black women
disproportionately disapprove of interracial marriages the jury ended up being 10 women two men nine were black
two were white and there was one Hispanic man which you know given how this trial played out
they were the defense was right I think yeah so the reason I say that it is
almost impossible to believe he did not do this
here's an example of some of the evidence that they had outside of the circumstantial stuff of like he
disappeared in a car chase tried to kill himself was wailing about like all these
stuff that make it seem like obvious that he did it but innocent people don't do that yeah
like never right beyond beyond that and and this part's really I'll I'll har on
this here in a minute but uh his DNA was identified near the bodies of the crime scene his blood was left as a trail
leading the crime scene the blood of him Nicole and Ron were in the white Bronco
there's like eight more of these yeah yeah I'm not like I'm barely scratching the Serv how much forensic evidence and
DNA evidence there was here but I will also say that this was one of the first trials where DNA was being introduced as
a mechanism of matching people to crime
scenes so there's a part of me that thinks that well maybe the jury just wasn't properly educated on how rare it
is to have mistaken DNA evidence evidence in the situation it was so it was so new yeah I feel like now I've
seen like 7,000 episodes of Bones where I'm like oh the DNA is like a hard truth you know but if you don't if we hadn't
like we hadn't really heard of it yet that's true and then I also wrote down that this is a jury pool of citizens who
regularly see the police just doing messed up things to prove minorities guilty right so yeah that's true yeah so
maybe they were educated on this and it's they still dismissed it's like I'm not going to believe the cops did like
there were like a really racist cop involved in this ah we're gonna get to him we're gonna get to him okay like
more racist than most yeah he was he was phenomenally racist yes
right we will Stand Out Among the police yes I think it's like the next paragraph
or two paragraph here um okay okay so this argument about the police doing
Shady things is actually the route the defense took themselves they said the lap PD basically botch this either
deliberately or accidentally there's a ton of back and forth on this I read all of this stuff
and if we went over it Point by Point you'd literally just pass out listening to this there was do think that you
should start a Judicial you should start a Judicial judicial procedures podcast
there's parts that's interest there's parts that that's like yeah I I I am kind of a nerd when it comes to that
stuff but I think I'm rare in that way but in this case there was issues with
how they preserve the DNA evidence there were discrepancies on how much blood there was where it was when it was there
there are claims of mishandling evidence y to this Thrones on basically the
defense poked holes in every part of the prosecution's case I mean frankly
because they could afford to do so most people don't have that luxury right like you come with a theory and then you try
and argue that theory to counter the prosecution in this case they had whatever however much money they needed
so they could literally just spend all their time finding ways to poke holes and everything hiring every expert they
could to poke holes in every detail of the prosecution's case I just far as I just looked it up when I was looking up
so Robert Shapiro is still alive I just looked it up he's 80 years old um but he
oh but in reading that I I saw like a little paragraph that the Dream Team cost $50,000 a day I think the total
yeah I think the total I looked up was it was somewhere around 3.5 to $6 million to how much OJ ended up spending for his entire defense it's crazy yeah
that's in that's hold on that that would have been a 904 money yeah so that would have been
like probably me look it up yeah could you um I'm so sorry I'm doing this wrong
three I'm guess no it had to be it had to be like seven so if you're doing 3.5 I would
assume it would have to be somewhere around seven to eight million yeah I think it's like seven and that's on the
low yeah yeah so like if he so so if you do that conversion for like the tie
range of that six million you're looking at like a$1 million defense it's crazy yeah um was it worth it you lived the
rest of your life as a PRI like is it is it really maybe it is I don't know well what are you gonna do go to jail I mean
I guess you could have been like the coolest guy in jail I guess I don't know I don't know I don't I do know he
whatever can keep going so many opinions about OJ I tried to find his Instagram because apparently
you got on Instagram and I think that the ones I found are fakes so I'm to
your point Mr incredibly famous LAPD racist we're
getting to Mark Ferman piece of sh for
sure so a little background on Mark like I said he was an LAPD police officer and
he was one of the very first officers at the scene of OJ's estate in 1985 so 9 years before the
murder I mean this is T this is the stuff that I started looking at was like I toally forgot this was a thing I me
this I I didn't even know this was a thing so nine years before the murders a screenwriter named Bora mcken wanted to
write a screenplay about the experiences of female officers she met Mark and asked that he
provide Consulting Services about his experience as a police officer working with women in the T in the police force
and all that good stuff like we have been saying oh God Mark
sucks Mark is what a stupid person thinks a man's man
is yes he is the definition of punching down and feeling good for doing so Laura
recorded all these conversations she had with him and amongst the amazing character traits that Mark exhibited
these are the beliefs that he held he was a leader in a group called
maw ma which stands for men against women which literally sounds like Al
Bundy created it like this sounds like a so stupid that is a that's just sounds
dumb you sound dumb did did I can't think of a worse
name did didn't I I could have sworn this is a part of Married With Children right did it might be oh my God whatever
it does sound like that yeah the whole point of this was this is a group of male police officers who would harass and intimidate female LAPD officers like
they would put them In Harm's Way so for example if like the female officer is in a shootout and asks for a backup they
just won't show like it was it was crazy levels of just trying to make these women's lives a living hell and this was
a big group I didn't write the exact number down but it was somewhere like 140 I think if I remember correctly was the number of lap PD Officers that were
part of this organization or organization bunch of [ __ ] morons just hanging around um men against women
like what does that even mean like what I know do you like what that's so stupid cool guys really
cool guys so stupid like oh they're they're they're all alpha males such
idiot going uh so he obviously said a ton of misogynistic things on these
tapes and I won't go into then except one thing which was he he was quoted as
saying you've got to be able to shoot people be people beyond recognition and
go home and hug your little kids women don't pack those qualities which good
you shouldn't think that beating someone beyond recognition is a good thing like why you're an officer why are you doing
that you're not the jury you're not the judge you're not the institution that is meant to punish these people like you
should be just taking them and putting them in the place where they can be prosecuted like why are you being someone beyond recognition do you think
I know that like you we said earlier that you were talking about you know you're not against the police but I do
think that a lot of police reform wouldn't hurt you know
and like there's kind of it's always been the case yeah so um little sensitivity training yeah so what
happened so much happened to La LAPD police force because of this trial because all this stuff came out right
like all like there was investigations and wait are y'all really not showing up as backup for women like a lot of the
reforms came as a downstream impact of this case there was another Scandal that happened called Rampart which I'm not
going to get into but they there was multiple dominoes that fell because of this which were great there were they
were great dominoes to fall they should fall yeah good [ __ ] those guys yeah yeah totally um
Mark was recorded on this saying the nword 41 times on the tape which is what
do you think was happening yeah this this is actually really important this is a critical part of this case and it
comes up later on in the trial because Mark is asked if he has ever said that
word and he testifies he perjures himself saying no he hasn't so this is going to come up later on and is a big
part of the defense's case actually again the reason why all this is relevant is because in the crime scene
where they found Nicole and Ron's body there was a bloody glove that was also found there at OJ's estate there was
another pair that was found by Mark the defense states that Mark
planted the glove because of his racial anim that's why all all this kind of ties together right the defense said
that Mark found the glove at the crime scene and then took it back to OJ's house so we've concluded here that Mark
sucks right Taylor he's not smart enough to do that right that's what I'm getting at like as
shitty of a human as he is this almost certainly did not happen part part of
the reason why it's so obvious that this did not happen despite horrible horrible character flaws is that the crime scene
was combed over for about two hours before Mark actually arrived at it and
nobody there ever said anything about seeing a second glove they only saw the one that's an obvious hole in this in
this defense the prosecution famously asks OJ to try on
the glove to show that it fits him OJ probably was making a display of how hard it was I mean there's video this
you can watch where where I me this was we all watch this happen live I think but part the glove basically is is too
small to fit him but part of the Assumption is that he had arthritis which makes your joints flare off and
that part of the medication for it is an anti-inflammatory which he had stopped taking so his joints would flare up
expand in size make it difficult to put the gloves on easily like realistically it could have been the
fact that the gloves were had been completely soaked in blood the fact that they been frozen yeah like and also
because of preservative ISS preservation issues they had Frozen and defrost the gloves multiple multiple times then also
thing I didn't detail I forgot about was that he was also wearing latex gloves underneath the gloves when he was when
he tried them on at trial he was I didn't know that yeah yeah I don't know
why they yeah I don't know why they did did it that way well Jesus yeah one
thing I didn't know until after researching this was they
also brought in a brand new pair of these gloves the same siiz gloves to
have them try them on and they fit perfectly but nobody remembers that right um what yeah that's ridiculous I
didn't know know that and I didn't know the like what that is well that is
suspicious one um for [ __ ] sake yeah so one of the uh one of my favorite Parts about this which again I didn't write
this down but it was I I I admire his attorneys so much because they're like
schoolyard kids apparently oh my God they've been planning this they they
didn't want to be the ones that call OJ up to try on the gloves they wanted the prosecution to do it to make them look
foolish because they had assumed that because of the blood because of the freezing and Def defrosting because they
literally he didn't take his off right medicine they knew it wasn't G to fit right and so apparently right while
they're at in the middle of like the trial they're basically goating the prosecution saying yeah if you're so confident tell them to try the clubes on
go ahead do it you're so sure like it was like it was like schoolyard tactics um exactly like get
them oh my God and yeah this is another part of it that I actually really really loved was again they were so good at the
psychology of litigation which is like a own separate like area of study they
mind [ __ ] Marsha Clark and Chris Darden the co-chair the co- prosecution during closing arguments which Chris
Garden is the one who did on the prosecution side this is a time for each
side to tell their story because at this
point you've heard so much about like DNA enzyme this and expert that like
you've glossed over so much this is the time when you can kind of wrap it up into this really nice clean package and
like it's theater like that's really what it's meant to be OG's lawyers during the closing argument of the
prosecution objected 71
times 69 of these were overruled they were just trying to mess up the flow
because this guy's oh 100% yeah he was trying he like he probably sat there in front of his like mirror and practiced
all his gestations and movements of the hands and all that and they were just like objection you just stop okay now we
got to jerks yeah just be jerks so at one point wow judge Ido threatened to
hold the defense in contempt if they kept doing it which is like a huge
that's kind of like the last straw right like that's it's incredible Johnny conran who was the lead counsil for OJ
he made this whole thing about race and racism of the LAPD he compared Mark
Ferman to Adolf Hitler and I think the best part of all of this is that he
offered literally zero proof of a cover up he just said things but he said them with
the kind of conviction that a good really good Storyteller can say and that was it it was L like there was again
there during the trial they're just trying to counter the arguments of the
prosecution they're not painting a picture of all the other things with their theory is what happened they're
just right there's no yeah there's no like there's never been like an invest vation to see who else could have done
it oh that's yeah I'm I'm glad you brought that up I'm gonna bring that up here in a second too that doesn't exist
yeah yeah all this was painted as racism so Mark Ferman
basically tanked the states case against OJ because he perjured himself saying
I'm not racist then he's caught on this tape so that's that's it really um and
and frankly because two years prior all these people again think about the the um the make of the jury all these people
saw the LA riots happening and they framed all and the Rodney King meeting and everything else that went on with the lap he like they were right for this
story to resonate with them to again remind everyone how big of a deal this was Bill Clint who was president at the
time of this Tri he was being updated regularly about the jury deliberations because he was ready to
deploy the National Guard if another rot were to break out that makes sense the
jury deliberated for 4 hours and obviously like I said up at the top they returned a verdict of aqu quiddle one of
the jurors did the Black Panther fist race thing at OJ when the verdict was
read further illustrating just how much race played a factor in all of
this it's interesting because there's again one of the 50,000 documentaries were made about this um case that guy
the guy who did the Black Panther the juror who did that uh he was in a documentary about the case in 2016
he came out in that documentary saying on retrospect he should have voted for Guilt so that's where he yeah it's like
man you are you are what are you like you're 22 years too late but yeah oh my
God good point that's hilarious driving the point even further 75% of White America thought that he was guilty 70%
of African-Americans thought that he was innocent it's worth noting that the numbers narrowed since then so in 2016
again another poll was taken where 57% of African-Americans think that he is actually guilty so that that swayed it
was there was so much tension yeah definitely that is mostly it what
followed was a string of other legal and financial battles O.J was sued by Fred
Goldman who is Ron's incredibly Mustachio father and he lost a $33
million judgment because again it was a wrong death like it was a different burn of proof and he lost that he went on to try
and publish a book called if I did it which the Goldman family sued him over
they later published the book but reduced the If part to such tiny font that the actual print of the cover read
I did it in 2008 yeah in 2008 he was sentenced to 33 years in prison for
breaking into the hotel room of a sports me memorabilia collector and stealing a
bunch of stuff which admittedly was like his stuff I I I it was OJ Simpson memorability not that he owned it but he
was found guilty of armed robbery and kidnapping you ultimately served nine years um in prison and then was Paro in
2017 I put some fun facts here that are kind of just add some color to this like
I said we talked about a little bit before man this guy was such a different
human before this happened and such a different person after it happened he went on to to host and create a prank
show called juic which is the worst concept I have
ever heard of God it thankfully died a quiet death after just one episode but
basically it was like a pranked style reality show where things happen to
people and then OJ jumps out and says you got Juiced and it's like I hate prank J are so stupid and
also that is so dumb like do you think people are happy you imagine you'd be real scared you'd be like are you g to
murder me you'd be terrified like yes OJ Simpson jumps out of nowhere and it's
like he's laughing and he's still like a huge dude and it's like what what what's going on like like like do no that' be
real you'd be real confused so thankfully that died quietly the
LAPD later on refused to reopen the case the police chief came out at the time
and said quote the aquid doesn't mean there's another murderer like again everybody
knew he did it so yeah they didn't like no one ever tried to find anybody else
yeah exactly I there's another fun fact that I wrote down here around um around one of my absolute all-time favorite
comedians ever I learned about this after his death recently I think it was maybe a year or two ago that it happened but Norm McDonald's are you familiar
with Norm McDonald's Taylor I knew I knew you were gonna say Norm McDonald keep going did you okay so I don't know
the joke but I knew that he'd be the person that you were talking about yeah totally so if you if you're unfamiliar
with him he is this hilarious deadpan comic Who Rose to fame on SNL in the 1990s I would describe his comedy as
kind of the embodiment of just really not giving a [ __ ] about consequences Norm anchored the joke news show on SNL
called weekend updates he was apparently told by Executives at NBC who's the
company that produces SNL to stop making jokes about OJ this exec named Don ol Meer was
apparently super close friends with OJ and all these jokes were written by Norm
himself and one writer on SNL called Jim Downey Jim was actually fired outright
and Norm was fired from doing the weekend anchor roll he he was still on
SNL but he very shortly had to leave that as well I watch all these segments
he did it's totally worth a YouTube visit not because I think making front of OJ is particularly funny or that you
know or any of that it's more like you watch him knowingly sink his career with
this grin on his face and just being like guys this is lutter you know what it reminded me of was even at NBC the
executives there are trying to protect this guy and there was something indignant about nor McDonald's attitude
that was like I don't even think he was doing it for the comedy I think he was doing it for like this is insane why are we trying to treat this guy with any
sort of reverence you know like like I I I
remember I remember right after I don't know if it was him or it was someone else but on Weekend Update they did the
thing with like the picture of OJ and they said well it's murder is legal in California joke I remember yeah I I
wrote um I wrote one of these down because so he he would deliberately interject it and just total nonsecular
ways again just pointing out the lunacy of why are we trying to protect this guy he did a segment on Charles and Diana's
divorce which was going on at this at this time and he um he threw this graphic up that was like and Charles
wrote a book about it and his picture of Charles in the book cover read of course OJ did it come on like it just has
nothing like he's talking about Diana and Charles but he made a point to do this um and yeah I just thought that was
absolutely fantastic kind of like speaking truth to power in a way that nobody did to OJ Simpson so yeah yeah
goes to McDonald um but that's my story wow wow my the only conspiracy theory
that I've heard that I I kind of like is I did hear from crime junkie I think another podcast they did um a special
where there's a theory that like OJ's son from a first marriage was is or was
like a little unstable and he was not invited to that dinner after the recital
and he was really mad and that's why and then he went and killed her but obviously that's not true but that's
like the only thing I've heard that is like has like a little bit of like maybe that could have happened but really like
man he definitely did it have you ever met anybody who said he didn't do it I remember when I was likeing I was
in like middle school and I was like people talked about it all the time
and I was like maybe he didn't do it also but I mean I was 12 what am I supposed to know you know but I don't think I don't know who I was hearing
that from or whatever but no I don't know anybody now who would say that he didn't do it yeah I can't imagine
someone today be like yeah he's lives in Florida and he's out of jail and just like goes to Costco
it's weird so weird so weird like he's just a national like it's you're that is the only thing
you're known for I mean it's crazy to think that like all the accomplishments all that bullet point I listed off of
all the things that he did all of a gone he's the guy who killed his wife like that's basically it so and you can't
even like celebrate him for his Sports achievements because you just can't so
there it doesn't matter you know his jersey still retired which I was kind of surprised by but I don't know so that's
my story and um yeah yeah wild times
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