The key is not to be a Kennedy, or at least never get on a small plane with one. Re-visit the harrowing story of the Kennedy Clan - from Papa Joe's pretty racist stint as the US Ambassador to the UK, Joe Jr's Death in WWII, John & Bobby's assassinations, ski accidents, lobotomies, and plane crashes --- this one has it all! Explore the history of the most American Family of all time with us! Thank you for listening to our re-releases as we take a little break! We'll be back with brand-new content next week! As a reminder, you can also go back and listen to our full episodes anywhere you listen to podcasts! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@doomed.to.fail.pod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
The key is not to be a Kennedy, or at least never get on a small plane with one. Re-visit the harrowing story of the Kennedy Clan - from Papa Joe's pretty racist stint as the US Ambassador to the UK, Joe Jr's Death in WWII, John & Bobby's assassinations, ski accidents, lobotomies, and plane crashes --- this one has it all!
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hi friends here we are with episode 10 part two one of my favorite episodes that I've ever done this is Taylor and
my historical doomed to fail subject for this one is the Kennedy family so I go all the way from Joseph Kennedy who was
the US ambassador to the UK right before World War II and then all the way
through to what some of the current candidates are up to this was even before RFK Jr was running for president
as a Democrat or not but yeah you know um we'll get there so hope you
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country and um yeah yeah wild times so
fars Taylor today I know that in our thing in our um in our theme song it's
it's JFK and um we're thinking Jackie and and him but actually I'm going to go
all the kennedies um and talk about the Kennedy curse so there's so many bad
things that happened to the kennedies so I'm going to kind of go through them it's going to be a little out of order
but it's also going to be kind of like reading the Bible because I'm going to be like Jack son of blah blah blah because I'm going to go person by person
and just tell you the bad things that happened to them there were nine Kennedy
children a lot of bad things there were nine Kennedy children they all have tragic stories um Kennedy women aren't
as cursed as the men take that for what you will um and outside of these tragedies there are plenty of nonprofits
and good political decisions and things that they did um but a lot of bad things like not even bad things that they did
bad things that happened to them so a lot of things that you could definitely you know lean towards there being some sort of curse there have the kennedies
are as you know an American political family they there have been very few years in the past 100 years that a
Kennedy has not held public office there's almost always someone there and almost federally as well so for my
research I did a lot of just like compiling from Wikipedia but also I read a James Patterson book on the kennedies
so it was like a a book that he wrote that's non-fiction but about their
stories so some of the more dramatic things I'm going to start with the parents of the Kennedy children and kind
of go from there the dad of JFK the patriarch is Joseph
Patrick Kennedy as you can tell he's very Irish and very Catholic that's a very Irish name Joseph Patrick Kennedy
was born in 1888 he a political family in Boston he made his money in the stock market he would do these things called
stock pools with other with other investors that was a little shady and he shorted a lot of stock before the crash
in 1929 so by 1935 in the height of the depression in today's dollars the
kennedies were worth $3.5 billion whoa so they were fine they had
a lot of [ __ ] money Uber Rich exact totally and JFK you know one of the
problems that he had running for president is that he had no idea of what people had been through during the
Depression he just wasn't involved you know um so Joe definitely had
connections to the mafia at one point he leaves his family and goes to Hollywood to try to open a studio he invested in a lot of movies
like kind of like be movies like cowboy movies he had a long affair with the actress Gloria Swanson and also I'll
mention this kind of periodically but every single Kennedy man had a ton of Affairs and it's just not interesting
because everyone was doing it but yeah I would have figured Joe was the the dad
and and did it a ton um he after prohibition he worked with jameses
Roosevelt to sell liquor so he knew like the Franklin and elano Roosevelt's kids he definitely had connections to the
mafia so he was doing some shady things and all this time you know he's still very very CA Catholic he holds several
political positions he was president of the SEC and then the big one he does is
from 1938 to 1940 Joseph Kennedy is the ambassador to England which is an
interesting time to be the ambassador to England because right as we're getting into World War III and he was definitely
the wrong guy to do that he was a little bit of a like I don't know maybe a wet
noodle about it or maybe he just was like too rich to care about it but he was like why do we have to fight why
don't we just see what this Hitler guy has to say yeah do remember some stuff
around um his he had like a weird affinity for eugenics from what I recall
yeah and so this oh that makes sense yeah this kind of Falls in line yeah
yeah that totally makes sense cuz kennedies like look the same and have like the same thing I mean I feel like it kind of fits into that but he was
like he tried to meet with Hitler twice and you know never actually got them meeting but one British MP said of him
he said quote we have a rich man untrained in diplomacy unlearned in history and politics who was a great
publicity seeker and who apparently is ambitious to be the first Catholic President of the United States so like
no one took him seriously um up there and he was also anti-Semitic
unsurprisingly and the things he said are bad but generally it was like Hitler has some good ideas what's the problem you know
what's what's weird about all that is um at that time in history Irish people
were very much looked down upon in the US like they were like yeah they were a minority right and he's definitely from
a minority yeah and it's just interesting like he doesn't see the irony and like his own belief system and
how people treat him directly totally totally yeah so I mean that's just you
know part of his personality he was also like a very strict father he raised his children to always win um you know they
you know had to be the best and he basically raised them all to be president that was his goal Joe does he
dies of complications of a stroke in 1969 so the timeline's going to be a little weird but he he dies in 1969 he
married Rose Kennedy she was born Rose Fitzgerald um in 1890 she actually died
in 1995 when she was 104 which is some of these women that's crazy I can't
believe it was that recent time I know so she was also very very Catholic she
met Joe at parties in like Rich Society um she devoted her life to her her
children that was really that was Rosa's thing she was you know a grandmother a great-grandmother a mother that was her
number one thing that she did and um jacyn Kennedy Jackie Kennedy described
her mother-in-law it while in a letter to a priest she said I don't think Jack's mother is too
bright and she would rather say a rosary than read a book so a little bit of like internal criticism about how much she
relied on on being Catholic for things but that was Rose she was the mom so
obviously yeah how how do you think me and you would do at one of those parties
that I totally agree I think we talked about this before like I do not fit in you would see me like a sore freaking
thumb people would ask me for aink because they would think I worked there they just it just I don't think I could fit fit in it's a laugh I don't think I
can nail the laugh I think because I feel the laugh is so
like yeah it's just I don't know I don't know I'm too Gruff I think I'm a little bit too Gruff for that yeah I think I'm
just I got the shadow of I don't know not being rich my whole life that you can see yeah my um yeah no it's
definitely a society that like I don't know I don't fit in and don't know anything about but they you know yeah exactly so now I
want to talk about all nine of their children I'm going to do it in order and it'll be maybe confusing but some
stories that maybe you haven't heard um we'll get to the firstborn son is Joseph
Kennedy Jr he was born in 1915 he was the one who was going to be
president he was super handsome like they're all handsome whatever he was like super handsome he was older brother
he was really being groomed to to H be president of the US by his family he was also anti-semitic and had
some of his dad's ideas there's like a story that was in the James Patterson book where um Joe Jr was working with a
professor at school who was Jewish and he was like yeah it's too bad that that guy has to go but in general it's fine
you know like not great so but he was um even even though he was very active in
World War II um he married an actress she Rouch in 1940 they had no children
because in 199 in 1994 in 1944 while serving as a naval pilot during World
War II Joe went on a miss a mission that he didn't have to go on and it was a little bit like the plane may not have
been ready but he was like I'm brave and I'm going to go on this he had already done some pretty dangerous missions in
in World War II and his plane um exploded over England so he died in 194
44 obviously super sad to have like the older brother first tragedy of many that
Joe Jor died that way and the second son is John F Kennedy he was born in
1917 he was a sick child he had back injuries after being injured in World
War II so a big part of his story is how many drugs he was on when he was
president have you heard those stories I have yeah it was apparently that injury
was like almost debilitating yeah the kid to wear a back brace and like so you
know during the Cuban Missile Crisis the person in charge is like pretty [ __ ] up so super interesting if people had
known that maybe like they wouldn't have he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did but he was you know in a lot of pain for a lot of his life but he Commander he
would have been on like opiates right oh 100% yeah yeah he had like literally the doctor they called dror Feelgood was his
doctor oh jesz so yeah absolutely a whole bunch of [ __ ] yeah it was like you
know a pill to go to sleep a pill to wake up a pill to do this lots of shots those kind of things he sounds like a a
burning man attendee um he was injured in World War
II like we said he was a commander of a patrol torpedo craft and um he I think
he saved a couple of people when it got um like torpedoed he is the only
president to have the Marine Corp medal and the Purple Heart either of those
like he's really like probably one of the most decorated presidents besides like Eisenhower that pretty cool um he
married yeah it's pretty cool it seems like he did a good job over there especially like after his brother died you know he still went over there um
which I think was pretty pretty brave I know that he like couldn't get in immediately because of his injuries and
his like um history of like being kind of sickly but he ended up getting in
however that happened and um was actually pretty pretty heroic in there um so he married Jacqueline Lee bovier
in 1953 she was also a socialite but she was like doing okay she had a job as a reporter and she um when he proposed to
her and she left without answering she went to England for Queen Elizabeth's
coronation so she had a pretty cool job and she was sort of reluctant to marry him he already had had a lot of
girlfriends and he didn't plan to stop having girlfriends you know that was kind of part of it as well but they got
married anyway and JFK and Jackie have this kind of like perfect looking
marriage they have four kids um they have Arabella is born still born in 1956
so that's one tragedy of them for their kids Caroline is still alive she's still
involved in politics she has three kids she's still you know with us um JFK Jr
can you picture JFK J yeah I remember this guy yeah so he was born in 1960 he
was two when his dad died and he was always in the public eye like there's like a picture of him in his like little
like nice coat at his dad's funeral so super sad obviously um in the 90s he was
like a political Playboy he was a lawyer but he like barely made it um he like barely scooted by law school all these
guys went to like Harvard and Stanford and all that and Yale and you know um but he started a political magazine
called George you heard of that okay yeah yeah so that um that like one of my
favorite facts about him actually is so full disclosure the first time I took the bar exam I failed and passed the
second time but when you fail it it feels awful like you feel like like
everybody's moving on to Greater and bigger things and you got to go back to the books and and try again and knowing
that he failed he failed the bar a shitload like he failed like somewhere between three and five times like he had
a really hard time getting past it and it's one of those things that money is Never Gonna get you there completely you
gotta kind of do it on your own and so I was uh I leaned on that a little bit I was like well if someone like that can
keep failing then then it's all good then it's all good totally that's good
um yeah so he you know became a lawyer but he was really mostly like a political Playboy like I said he started
a political magazine called George which was sexy politics like the first the
first issue had what's her face like the really famous model from the 9s like
like George Washington no not Cindy Crawford K Moss was in it too like they're all in it he that was like the
circles he was in he's on Oprah there's an episode of Seinfeld where like Elaine sees him at the gym and she's like
really excited he's like the sexiest man alive he's also like I don't know if this is what you picture when you picture him but he has like a very hairy
chest and I feel like I don't see that in the cover of magazines anymore I I
have it in a long time didn't picture that did you picture that but I picture him was like 90s sexy like Tom celic you
know like a hairy chest and a lot of hair so he was like the most eligible bachelor sexiest man alive um all those
things and and I think he probably struggled with it a little bit you know people he one thing that it said in the James Patterson book that like someone
was like oh everybody sees you and they know who you are and he was like everybody looks at me and they know who my dad is but I don't know who my dad is
like he didn't get to meet him he didn't get to really see him so that's sad I can imagine
that on the outside looking in like what a Charmed Life right like you're uber Rich you're Kennedy
you're goodlooking living I think he was in New York or something wasn't he yeah
yeah and and I think on the outside it could seem like it's all um rainbows and sunshine but there's got to be a lot of
like how do how do you how do you um create your own life when you're like
pretty big Shadow especially for him yeah yeah like they what didn't they didn't they call
his mom and dad like the the king and queen of Camelot at one point like they were yeah it was like Camelot was like a
perfect marriage of power and all these things and yeah yeah that's got to be tough to grow up in that yeah totally so
JFK Jr marries another rich woman named Carolyn bassette she was also like not
super soaked on marrying him but then she did and they were like a dream couple of the 9s
and it sounds like they had like a lot of problems and they were maybe going to uh get a divorce and another thing about
JFK Jr is he always wanted to fly like he was obsessed with like planes like when his dad even like up until he was
two when his dad would like go somewhere on a trip to come back with a toy plane and like he just loved it and Jackie
told him not to learn how to fly but he did anyway and so in 1999 he and Caroline are probably separated but
they're going to a wedding anyway so he's going to he says I'm going to take you and your sister to this wedding um we're going to fly out of New York and
go like up the coast and he should not have done this he was
not certified he was not complete with all of his training for being a pilot his ankle was broken and you need two
feet to be able to do what he needed to do in that plane so you need feet to do it too but ankle broken and it's the
same thing it's like this attitude that I can't remember what it's called but that like Pilots say like a like a got
to get their attitude which is kind of what happened to Kobe Bryant as well where it's like the pilot is like oh no
I can do this I have to get there like I'm Invincible you know and um he you
know what I mean so he got up in this like little plane and he probably lost
uh sight of the Horizon because it was really dark so he couldn't see the Horizon and he had also like he almost
hit like an American or some Airline like passenger plane first and then he
was kind of like flying erratically and then he disappeared off a radar and they found the plane like two days later so
he also like I don't know there's a Malcolm Gladwell book where I can't remember which one it is but where he talks about this you know losing sight
of the Horizon thing and he's in a plane with a pilot and the Pilot's trying to explain to him what might have happened
and he says like okay I'm going to the pilot says I'm going to point the plane down and put us in a
spiral and you're not going to feel it and because of like the force malol glad
was like okay and then like a minute later he's like okay you can start and the pilot was like we're already doing it like he
you know so that might have been what have happened like he was like everything F but just imagine so JFK Jr dies in a terrible way in
1999 um the fourth child of of Jackie and Jack is a a son named Patrick who
lived for two days he was born in 1963 so pretty tragic um you know their their
kids situation in the other obviously thing that you know about is in 1963 we
all know JFK is a president they're in Dallas just like you um the Dallas Morning News news hates him they wrote
an article about how much they don't like him in the car in Dallas the governor's wife says see Dallas loves
you Texas loves you you know to him and um right after she says that he's shot from the sixth floor of a building by a
crazy man named Lee Harvey Oswald um both this and another assassination we'll talk about like I wish it was a
conspiracy but it's just a crazy guy you know like a really radicalized person
the Harvey alwald like wanted to defect to Russia they wouldn't let him in he wanted to be a socialist all these
things so just kind of a crazy person um there is a theory that Taylor yeah sorry
the overlap because there's some lag in the Wi-Fi so I don't mean you keep interrupting it's just there's a lag
there no worries go ahead did you ever listen to the last podcast on the left about JFK yes do you remember what the
theory was you talking about the Secret Service yes I do believe that service
yeah so the idea is that or the the the theory is is that what actually end up happening was Oswald did set off the
events but the actual bullet that tore JFK's head off the theory is came from
the secret service agent behind the president's limousine so Oswalt fired
the first shot hit the ground fired the second shot hit the president in the neck and Connelly in the shoulder and
then at that point the Secret Service UNS safetied the gun to try and do something the car lurched and the guy
fell backwards and there he is that he shot him in the back of the head that way so anyways random aside I love that
I think that's fun that they were like super hung over and just were like not doing their job well also like it's
weird because the way that Kennedy moves when he gets shot like it's confusing to people but it's also because he's
wearing a back brace so yeah you could that could be your job you could just learn about it that could be all you
do but um man [ __ ] poor Jackie she is
holding his brains in her hand and like brings to the doctor is like here I have these brains you know like absolutely
horrifying that evening she's on Air Force One with his body she's still
covered in blood she's wearing her like her famous pink Chanel suit covered in blood while while LBJ gets sworn in on
Air Force One so a really [ __ ] horrifying horrifying situation um
Jackie remarries pretty quickly to a Greek man named Aristotle Onasis um Aristotle's daughter is like do not
marry this [ __ ] woman she is cursed um while they're married Aristotle's son dies in a plane crash and um they
separate but they never divorce because he passes away so by 45 she's been a widow twice and then does not get
married again um Jackie dies of cancer in 1994 so she lives like 30 or so years
more than Jack did WOW tragedy you could that could be your job your whole life could be about those two but let's move
on to the third child maybe the most worst story is is of Rosemary Rosemary
was born on September 3rd 1918 you know I wrote poor [ __ ] Rosemary Kennedy
like this is the worst um her birth is an actual Horror Story um her mother was
giving birth the Midwife wanted to wait for the doctor but the doctor couldn't get there because of like I don't know a
storm something happened so they had to wait two hours and the Midwife instead
of just delivering the baby kept her in the birth canal so made the labor 2
hours longer than it needed to be and she was like literally holding the baby's head so the baby would not come
out and like I cannot think of a single [ __ ] reason to do that take the baby out um but because of that she was
definitely deprived of oxygen and so I think that was like something that like made her a little bit disabled um from
that experience yeah she wasn't like a terrible person she just had trouble in academics she couldn't really read she
had special tutor you know she was um she was also super depressed because people treated her all these things
about her um when she is like in her 20s her parents sent her to a Convent but
she keeps leaving the convent at night because she wants to like have a life you know like she's a grown woman who
you know is just has some like you know problems with reading and comprehension not like nothing's terribly wrong with
her and because of that her parents are worried that she could like get an STD or get pregnant or something thing and
they're just like pretty embarrassed of her they don't want her do anything stupid and I'm sure [ __ ] Joe yeah she
sounds just brocious yeah that's it nothing terrible
exactly um and when she was 23 her father decided to have her lobotomized
which was experimental at best it was never like a great procedure and far as you want to tell everybody what otomy is
I feel like you know oh yeah um so this is when where they take a ice pick through your
eye socket they push your eye socket your eyeball out of the way stick the um
ice pick up into the frontal cortex of your brain and just kind of wiggle it around a bunch and turn you and hope for
the best hope for the best basically turning you into like a very close
approximation of a zombie yeah yeah and that's what happened to to Rosemary after her labotomy she ends up with the
mental capacity of a 2-year-old and her family in institutionalized her and many
of them never saw her again um um her when Joe senior her dad died they did start bringing her around again like oh
great and you know bringing her to things and and that she was always in like a nice facility but still and uh
she died of natural causes at 85 so she lived like most of her life after this
horrifying procedure happened to her it wasn't that long ago that she died right she died in 2005
yeah so there was a person living in 2005 who had their brain scrambled with
an ice pick to the like that sounds like yeah it's nuts it's absolutely
horrifying so poor Rosemary um so she was the third the fourth uh Kennedy
child is Kathleen kick Kennedy so they call her kick um she married she was
really close to Joe Jr her older brother she married a Lutheran Englishmen the Marquez of Hartington um and it was a
big deal obviously because he was Lutheran and they're very Catholic and they married and he died pretty soon
after they were married he was shot by a German sniper during World War II um
which is super sad they had no children because he died so quickly after their marriage and then she hick herself died
in a plane crash on May 13th 1948 so another short tragic just stop
don't go in PLS 100% absolutely so kick had a short and
sad life um number five is Unice Kennedy so Eunice was born in 1921 she married
Robert Sergeant Shriver in 1953 he was the first director of the Peace Corp so he did a lot of good things they had
five kids um Robert Maria Timothy Mark and Anthony you'll remember Maria she married Arnold Schwarzenegger yep um she
was the first lady of California they got divorced after it discovered that he had a child with their maid which I'm sure was not his only Affair um their
son Patrick is an actor their daughter Katherine is married to the worst Chris she's married to Chris Pratt who is why
do why do you like Chris Pratt Chris I'm not the only one who says this but of all the Hollywood Chris's Chris Pratt is
the worst Chris and I think a lot of it it's because he's like super religious and like very like Jesus helped me do
this which is really annoying and so a lot of people just like think he's very like hotty like when you see him and Katherine together she has these like
this like weird smile you know like they just like seem kind of weird I found a self-help book she wrote in like the 90s
about like hey my life is so hard blah blah blah and like I don't know I know we said JFK J's life must have been hard
but also [ __ ] you so like I don't know like they don't don't seem great um how does she get a pass on having a hard
life I don't know I don't know and then like oh one thing about Chris Pratt which I also think like maybe he's a
great actor because like Owen Grady in Jurassic Park is super sexy but if you
like look at Pratt in real life you're like E I think that's the worst character
like I I really ha that character you get it everyone but so that's one of one of
Unice granddaughters um Unice was like a mother to a lot of the Kennedy children
um she was you know stayed you know with the family a lot and one thing that she did that is fantastic that you know one
of the many like things that they do that's actually like really good and a lot of philanthropy is she started the Special Olympics in honor of of rose of
her sister and um when I yeah I went to the Special Olympics opening ceremony a
few years ago in La I don't know how we got tickets to it but it was beautiful I cried the whole freaking time and U
Maria shers spoke and it's really great that they did that so that's super cool awesome yeah so the sixth child is
Patricia she was born 1924 oh also Unice died in 2009 so she also lived to be
very old um Patricia is number six she was born 1924 she died in 2006 she
married actor Peter Lawford and I don't know if you know who that is um but I know him from Easter Parade um Easter
Parade is one of my favorite movies and so like I was just like really excited that anyone got to marry Peter Lawford because I like always thought he was so
handsome um but he sounds like kind of a douche you know I don't even recognize his piure yeah he was like a not Co they
called him the least um talented member of the Rat Pack like he wasn't really really in the Rat Pack but he was like
on the outside of it because uh Joe was trying to get the Rat Pack and like people in the mafia to get people to
vote for JFK so they had like Peter Lawford like go in and try to be cool and Frank sinatro was like yeah I
totally want to hang out with JFK but he ended up having Peter Lawford and he was like really disappointed which is funny
that's it would be sad if that's your claimed of I'm the saddest Rat Pack member I know it's so funny um so they
have they have four kids and they do get divorced eventually but they have four kids and like the divorce stuff I
couldn't figur it all out some of them get divorced some of them don't it's also weird because they're Catholic and like you can't get divorced all these
things Patricia and Peter Lawford do get divorced um the only one of their four kids with a Wikipedia page is
Christopher he was an actor and he was super involved in drugs as a teen he got
arrested for impersonating a doctor to get drugs and his cousin who we'll talk about later od's he sobered up and he
was uh sober for 33 years he did a lot of activism for drug awareness but he died of a heart attack when he was 63 so
it sounds like he turned his life around after all that bad Stu happened so that's Patricia and Peter's son number
seven is Robert S Kennedy he was born on November 20th 1925 I wrote Bobby Bobby
Kennedy um he married yeah he married Ethel skel and they had 11 children
which is too many children just way too many children I know one of those kids that I think you're gonna talk about
because the name SK skel sounds really familiar there's a there's a skel story
it's it's her nephew but we'll get there so they had Kathleen Kathleen was lieutenant governor of Maryland from
1985 2003 she's still involved in politics her daughter mave died in 2002
in like the weirdest way so her daughter was 40 years old and her and her son went on a canoe on a lake and they both
just disappeared they found their bodies later like something happened and they both died which is terrible wild um they
have Joseph who's blonde I don't know like not many of them are blonde he's an energy businessman he got married in
1979 and he tried to get divorced in 1993 but he was like I'm Catholic I
can't get divorced he tried to get it anold by saying that when he was married he was in a bad mental state but like
it's been 15 years can't get it anold you know and his wife wrote a book
called this is so sad called shattered Faith a woman's struggle to stop the Catholic Church from annulling her
marriage everybody like you're how how important do you think
you are po [ __ ] real but but you know that's like again how how Catholic
everybody is Joseph had two sons they're twins one of them is the ginger and he's
currently the ambassador of North Ireland looks like a Kennedy with red hair which is kind of so number three is
RFK Jr and so there's this woman who writes for Vanity Fair who writes a newsletter I actually haven't gotten it
in a while so I wonder if she still works there but her name is Bess Len and she's fantastic like she just has I just
like love reading her stuff and she called Robert F Kennedy Jr an example of
an apple falling as far from the tree as possible oh that's kind of mean what what why why let me tell you so he did a
lot of activism a lot of environmental stuff so he worked a lot on that he was been married a couple times ex-wife
actually killed herself which is pretty tragic and I think that that happened after some of his Affairs were like out
in public which is a bummer but then he did the bad thing he is anti-
vaccination like real hard like all of them I okay he's one of those people
that is like do your own research and do it on your own schedule and it's like oh my God I'm not a [ __ ] doctor I'm
listen to my doctors what are you talking about so he has done all this stuff about vaccines connected to autism
which is not true he doesn't like the flu vaccine and then of course he hates the covid vaccine he literally wrote a
book called the real an Anthony fouchy Bill Gates big Pharma in the global war on democracy and public health he's an
idiot yeah he's a nut job yeah and I wrote he sucks [ __ ] that guy so [ __ ] you
RFK Jr I hope you're listening then fourth kid of their 11 is David David
has a fun story because he almost drowned while while RFK was running for president and he saved him and is very
heroic David was the only member of the family to stay up late on the news as his dad RFK accepted the nomination for
the Democratic uh president and so he's the one who saw the news about his dad being shot before everybody else did
which is terrible he was 12 that's awes and he turned to drugs like after that
he got into a car accident there's so much drunk driving just assume that like everybody's been drunk driving this
whole time David got in a car accident his girlfriend was paralyzed he was injured and a 19 1984 he died of a drug
overdose so he was very troubled I think probably obviously from his dad being assassinated and him being like the
first one to see it and all of that yeah the next kid is Mary Courtney she married an Irishman they had one
daughter daughter named soraa and she died of a drug overdose in 2019 so
another drug overdose death then there's Michael and Michael is a nerd who looks
like a cartoon of his dad he looks like Bobby Kennedy if you like took your hands on Bobby kandy's head and
stretched it out an inch like he has really long teeth it's like a lot I'm he married Frank gord's daughter look him
up that's Michael Kennedy dude he's mostly by body weight mostly teeth yeah
and he's in the news because he married Frank gord's daughter who's like the football guy and while he was married he
had an affair with his babysitter his wife woke up in the middle of the night and he wasn't in bed so she went to go
find him and found him in the room of their babysitter who was only 16
and because 16 is was the age of consent or is in Massachusetts at the time or
whatever he was able to like get off of being like actually in trouble for it but like he was definitely sleeping with
her before then you know like he was absolutely like grooming and a predator
and up with his or raped his 14-year-old Nanny and he blamed it on the booze he
said you know I don't drink that was this was in 1997 he blamed it on alcohol and drugs and then he was like going to
get sober and he got sober for like maybe 6 months and on New Year's Eve 1997 so the same year that it came out
that he was sleeping with the nanny he died in a ski accident and like this is
one of the dumbest [ __ ] ways to die so there's this dumb thing that the kennedies do that the parks and ski
resorts have told them not to do which is playing ski football which is playing football on skis with no pads and no
[ __ ] helmet so Michael Kennedy this who he's like playing ski football with
his family he catches the ball and he hits a tree and he dies like almost immediately so it's almost like they
have no understanding of like who they are
like but like you should because everybody dies there's like the universe is trying to take you out you should be
more scared yeah you're you're always there's a Target on your back anyways
and then you play football on skis which like skiing on its own people die just doing that you don't have to make more
complicated totally why are you even like pushing even further so Michael D 1997 the
seventh kid is Mary KY she does a lot of activism she seemed fine until I saw that she was married to Andrew Cuomo
which was probably not great so um there's that um she did get in trouble
of her drunk driving in 2012 another son Christopher seems fine lives in Chicago there's Matthew Douglas I can't find
anything on them and Rory they're just Rich Kids you know there Rory is a filmmaker you know like rich people are
like Sophia Copa sure fine so as you know so those are all the kids that's what happened to the kids after JFK was
assassinated RFK ran for president and as we know he had no um secret service
protection that was not a thing for people running for president yet and he was in LA accepting the Democratic
nomination when he was killed it was a lone gunman his name was Sirhan Siran he was just denied PR like two days ago
again he'll be denied parole forever um I listened to a long time ago an entire
podcast about it where this guy was talking to his uncle who like devoted his life to trying to find the
conspiracy behind it there's no conspiracy it was just a crazy person so
is there a is there a why to I can't remember the why I'll look it up but I
can't remember but like yeah just like when he died Ethel was eight months
pregnant with Rory so she had her a couple days after which is terrible and just a couple other like tragedies
around RFK and Ethel's family in 1955 Ethel's parents were killed in a plane crash just like coincidentally and then
also the skakel thing is her nephew Michael skakel was involved he was
convicted of killing his neighbor Martha Moxley and he did it in like
1960 this like we can maybe talk about it later but it's like a story where like she went to a party in like a rich
people's house and he lived with his dad who wasn't really taking good care of them and they come these like rich kids
could do whatever they want and he ended up beating Martha MOX death death of a golf club and he got convicted like in
2013 so like 50 years later wow he was convicted of that but he was definitely
also a murderer so there's that another one in number eight of 11 his genan no
of nine what am I doing okay this is the last these are the last ones number of the nine CED Kennedy children so Jean
Kennedy is number eight she was born 1928 she died in 2020 she was the last one to die the last of the kids she was
the ambassador to Ireland for a little while she married a man named Steven Edward Smith they had two sons and
adopted some daughters she had a son Michael who was uh I think also like
something bad happened to him I can't remember it's so many things it was terrible it was a SK it was an airplane
it was yeah some rich person way of dying exactly exactly her husband
cheated on her a ton and so like their marriage didn't it didn't last very long like togetherness but they were they
stayed married until his death she was pretty embarrassed about it and kind of like hid it and just kind of like let it happen her son William was involved in a
rape case he was ultimately acquitted but he had been convicted of rape as well so some bad things happened to her
too and then we have the last of the Kennedy children do you know the the
last one who are we missing Teddy Teddy Edward Ted Kennedy was born in 1932 he
died in 2009 he was a senator for Massachusetts for over 40 years I wrote
lots of drunk driving like a lot like imagine the most dur driving that's
where we are right now yeah this guy's um yeah I I have a lot of conflicting opinions about him which you're G to
make clear why they exist yes so he married a woman named Virginia Bennett
they had four kids his daughter Cara died of a heart attack on a treadmill pretty young she had had cancer I think
another one of his kids had cancer as well um they got divorced he obviously like cheated on her a ton and Virginia
was like really just like beaten down by like being the wife of a Kennedy it was doesn't sound like a fun job it sounds
pretty [ __ ] terrible and he actually had a second wife he married in 1995 her name was Victoria Reggie and they said
that she helped him kind of settle down and like live out like the remainder of his life and she is actually newly
the ambassador to Austria so 10 Kennedy's Widow is now our ambassador to Austria so it happened like literally
this year here are the bad things the first bad thing that is like not as bad but like a whole thing Ted was also in a
plane crash in 1964 he survived but he was in the hospital for several months with a back injury and one of his AIDS
was killed so I mean don't get in a [ __ ] play with the Kennedy my number one piece of advice and then the really
bad thing was in 1969 so 1969 tent Ked is married to his first wife Virginia
and he's also a senator who's already a senator in Massachusetts and he goes out
to drink with his nephews and with his family actually I think that I got this wrong I think he went out to drink with
his nephews night that his nephew was accused of rape and he's part of that story but it's not this this he went to
a party in 1969 with other a bunch of people and he
said he would drive a young woman named Mary Joe kekney home and by all accounts like she didn't
really drink that much like I don't know if she like trusted him because he was I mean he's a senator you know and he for
whatever reason drove her home he crashes off of a bridge and into the water he gets out of the car and he
walks 15 minutes back home he passes four houses where he could have stopped
and called um for help but he doesn't and he eventually when he finally tells
someone they go and try to find her but she's obviously dead so Mary um Mary
joap pekne died in that like horrifying way his wife had already had two
miscarriages and was pregnant and had a third miscarriage after the trial so it's just like super traumatic and horrible for everyone wait Taylor um
ended up not being yeah tell me there's a a part of that story that's really
really bad so like when they found when they find when the police finally got the car out and pulled her body out they
found there was like scratching CL marks on the roof of the car like she was very
much alive when this all happened like he could have actually saved her yeah
and then another he could have saved her that's incredible and this I'm getting this from the last podcast episode on
the Kennedy was that apparently he went back to I don't know the hotel or kind
of whatever he was staying in and he called the manager to complain because the neighbors were being loud and playing music too loud this night this
happen that's what he did oh my God he just killed someone yeah so he ended up
not being charged and he like offered to step down but he didn't step down from the Senate he paid her family
$90,000 and they got $50,000 from insurance but they didn't pursue it any further because they just didn't want to
like they just wanted to grieve in private you know like it would have been just like a media circus and then the
the last thing I read about this is did you watch succession uh is that uh yeah yeah yeah
I've seen three yeah oh well spoiler alert this happens in succession as well
where a rich kid gets in a car accident and someone dies and he his family covers it up and it's a lot and he's
definitely traumatized by it and it's a whole thing but it was obviously like about Chap atic and I didn't see them I
know there's a movie about it but I haven't seen that but it's just like
it's like a what the [ __ ] are you talking about if it had been anybody else they would be in jail forever you can't drunk Drive someone off a bridge
and kill them yeah roles but yeah cool well that's all I got that's it that's
the ninth and last of the Kennedy kids who none of them had a really great life
Bes despite all of their money and privilege they were definitely I mean I don't know I was don't believe in curses
but like it's a lot of tragedy or so so when I think of um dynastic American
families obviously the candies are the very first one they come to mind feels weird to say it this way but you know I
I now would probably categorize the Bush family as well um in in that in that
same similar vein and interestingly enough like it's just like they just don't have the same like you never hear
about them like killing somebody Laur Bush definitely killed someone driving did she really Laura Bush did oh yeah
when she was younger no way but I don't know if she was drunk or whatever but I know that that definitely happened okay
well but I think also like you said Dynasty yeah look that up I went to mention like this is also ties into like
Katherine the Great and like jenas Khan and all things are saying is like you cannot have a dynasty because you're gonna have dumb kids you know and like
also if you try to have a dynasty you're G to have really traumatized kids so like if Joe Kennedy is like we have to
win no matter what we're Super Rich we'll pay for you to get out of trouble because you have to win like that
doesn't breed people who are going to not do stupid things you know well it's
just like hard to continue that I don't I don't believe in like a dynastic line is just impossible because you have like
an idiot like I don't know I would I would also say that I mean like with
anything media related there if there are amazing kennedies right who like
lived a great life and did great things and I mean I'm talking about the next
gener Generations removed from this you probably don't hear about it because it's not Sensational right I mean yeah I
mean did do a lot of good things you're right like the Special Olympics is huge they did there's like so many nonprofits tied to the Kennedy that's all like
really really great so they definitely did a lot of good but they were like tragic and haunted I
think yeah uh you should definitely not get I mean these people
getting on planes like come on guys just you have to have learned by now that that's just not a motor Transportation that's accessible to you anymore even if
you're like a person who's like I want to buy my own little plane like you better have made your peace with God because that's how you're going to die
like I know you shouldn't do that it can't be like a side puzzle like you have to have an actual job especially
the planes where like the JFK Jr did the same thing that Kobe Bryant's helicopter pilot did where they were like oh we're
we're not using our instruments we're only going to use visual guides and it
doesn't work in the dark or in the fog yeah you need an there's just like so many things that you're like don't do
that I kind of feel for Carolyn betet in that situation so she wanted to get
divorced yeah so I I was um I I was casually glancing at her um her
Wikipedia in the middle of this and it sounded like the um the media piece like
I mean she obviously knew who she was marrying but I don't think that you know the gravity of it until you're in it and
she was just like so not about the media so not about just getting Paparazzi all
over her like it sound I mean maybe they were going to get work for other reasons anyways but um it sound like that was a
huge issue I think so I think so that reminded me like in the book they were like talking about how you she couldn't leave her
apartment because there's like pop Razzi everywhere and there's actually like one of the first like real pop R SC in the
street pictures is of Jackie Kennedy have you ever seen that no it's like one where she was like walking out of a
hotel and a photographer is like hey she turns and smiles because she thought thinks she might know him he takes a picture of her and then she's like gets
super upset but that was like one of the first like Street Paparazzi pictures you know before it became like everything and I don't know if You' ever seen like
a video of what it looked like from the other side of a Paparazzi thing and like looks horrifying a hundred people screaming at
you and flashing in your eyes and all of that so like that sounds terrible yeah my favorite is when celebrities lose it
and break their stuff that's always fun they should man i' break the they should
yeah well um yeah I don't know I don't know I don't know if I think this is the longest episode of all time yeah I don't
think so but I do think it's I think when you're like when you do so much different when you do so many different
things and you have the resources to do so many different things bad things happen right like I don't I don't have a
ski chalet in Aspen to go skiing play football on so but if I did maybe that's
how I would die right exactly yeah no I've never been invited to play ski football Taylor I do think that this is
going to be like a two-hour long episode it is well great job it's our 10 it's our 10th though if you stuck around
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