And we're back for episode 100!!!!!!!! Farz tells the historical True Crime story of the murder of Julia Wallace. It's a mystery to this day! Her husband was called away on a mystery work call turned wild goose chase. Meanwhile, Julia is murdered in her home, and the cash box is stolen. It's a classic whodunnit and one of those cases where it could ONLY be the prime suspect, but also impossible for the prime suspect to do! Put on your deerstalker cap and join us!
And we're back for episode 100!!!!!!!!
Farz tells the historical True Crime story of the murder of Julia Wallace. It's a mystery to this day! Her husband was called away on a mystery work call turned wild goose chase. Meanwhile, Julia is murdered in her home, and the cash box is stolen. It's a classic whodunnit and one of those cases where it could ONLY be the prime suspect, but also impossible for the prime suspect to do!
Put on your deerstalker cap and join us!
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
all right we are back Taylor after a several week Hiatus um excited
to be here with you recording once again our standard routine on the weekends so
um so you just well not just but like about a week ago you got back from a lovely trip from Japan which I was
following Along on social medias um and it looked really cool so tell us about
it oh my gosh it was amazing we were there for two weeks just me and my
husband and it's just so easy to travel with your phone you know we just had
like the phone on in an international plans we don't have to worry about anything we could like it's really it's
like 16 hours ahead of California so it was
like a like a weird time to like we call our family sometimes and we just would use the phone to like you know you can
geolocate yourself on a map and it'll show you train directions it'll show you walking direction that'll like just give
you everything you need to get anywhere um Juan loves chat GPT so he just chat GPT like how do I say this in Japanese
and people loved it they just like were so delighted when he would like say big phrases in Japanese and um it was super
fun and yeah we just had such a good time he did such a great job planning there was always something to do we went on a couple little like Food Tours and
drink tours and we stayed in Tokyo Kyoto and Hiroshima and it was amazing awesome
highly recommend going or yeah absolutely absolutely um I don't feel
like you were saying I was listening to something that you said I think right before I left that was like people think
Japan is like another world and like I don't feel that way I think maybe that's half because I've lived in big cities
before so I don't feel like weirded out by crowds I went from like Joshua Tree to Tokyo I'd be
like what the [ __ ] is it it's like going to Mars it's like it might as well be a different planet I didn't feel that but
and also just like the language is like there's you can hold Google translate that your phone over things and it will
translate it for you it's really incredible like words I think I think
the way I've heard Japan is different is kind of in the sense of like
it's cleanliness there's more of like an empathy towards others uh I don't know I
mean it wasn't I mean like Tokyo was a big city it wasn't I saw unhoused people
I saw drk people on the streets you know like I didn't see a ton it wasn't like LA but it wasn't zero you know it was
like and you know the I think the trains were a little bit cleaner there's no garbage cans and one of the people that
we met there was saying that it's because like the the Yakuza used to put bombs and garbage cans so like now
there's no public garbage cans which like does keep people from like those like from overflowing but in the morning when you wake up the seven garbage cans
that are in Tokyo are overflowing you know it's not nothing um but everybody
of course is super super nice um if like you go to a a small restaurant or bar or
something and we've been to a couple like really cool cocktail bars there's like a couple people inside of them but when you leave the chef or the bartender
will walk you out and bow it's very very nice um which is cool like the people there were just so so nice um yeah I
mean it wasn't like I'm going to eat off the floor it was like but everybody was you know
speaking of eating what was the food like um so it
was for the most part great they had they we did a lot of like there lot
places that had like an American Frenchy breakfast so we eat like a lot during that time we would have we had a couple
just incredible sushi places like one where was really expensive and we had to like preserve our spot many many months
in advance and it was just like there were maybe like 10 people at like a counter and then the guy would just make the food for you and give it to you and
you kind of eat whatever he gives you and it was amazing um a couple places like there's some like miso flavor that
hung over everything in Kyoto that like was a little much and then also in Kyoto every single place when you get there
they're like here's some baby squid and you're like no thank you yeah I've had that before and I will not do it again
yeah I like the first two I ate and then the next day there's there were more and so I had one and then I was like I can't
I can't eat I don't know what it is it's not that it tastes bad it's that it feels wrong yeah and it just like
doesn't really taste like anything if it's just like a it's just like a baby squid sitting in a bowl and I'm like nah
yeah I'll pass on that one but we took a sushi making class in Tokyo that was super fun
um yeah sweet right well you heard it heard it here from Taylor um 1010 visit
Japan it's well worth it absolutely sweet well let's get into our first part
first half of this week episode can enoy the show yeah Taylor it's been like
three weeks okay give me a break welcome to Doom to fail we're a twice weekly podcast we cover history
true Prime all kinds of fun topics that most at this point we just find interesting and um that's energy we're
bringing to the rest of our show I guess um absolutely perfect because you
know this episode is episode 100 is it really yeah so that was perfect intro
for 100 grade job wow okay wow good for us we're Old-Timers huh good for us [ __ ]
I'm real impressed honestly yeah we stuck with it um so who I don't know
who's going um I'm um I think it's you it's me okay I I'll go first great um
it's 820 p.m. here so I'll go first and then I will pour a drink and be a captive
audience for your episode if you could just coast along there we go far as a
coaster so I'll go ahead and kick mine off so I'm actually doing mine uh a
little bit in honor of a hero who just passed do you know what I'm talking about Taylor is it OJ Simpson there we
go is it really you know you already did OJ Simpson I'm not doing OJ S I said I'm
doing it in honor of OJ s because I'm going to be covering another mysterious situation with a dead wife where the
husband was accused and ultimately I'm not going to say what happened but whatever like it's it's very in line in
OJ Simpson can first say like I know he wasn't going to do a
death bed confession but didn't you kind of want one I think my my opinion is he is just
a horrible horrible human being and and he wouldn't give us the
satisfaction yeah you can't it's like he's a monster you can't expect them to do something good like they don't have
that component of their their souls yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh actually like the
the key difference between the person I'm covering today or or the couple I'm covering today and the OJ Simpson case
is that this in this case we legitimately don't know who did it that's the only difference so there you
have it although I guess in OJ's case we never we don't either because he never was able to found find the I love
there's a murderer out there there's still there's still somebody out there that we need to capture um so okay I'm
gon to break this up into four components one is going to be our main characters the other the second part is
going to be the crime itself the the third is going to be the investigation and trial and the fourth is going to be
the conspiracy theories so our story takes place in Liverpool but we'll go
ahead and kick things off with part one the main characters so we have two main
characters a husband and wife so on the husband side of the equation we have a gentleman named William Herbert Wallace
who was born in 1878 which would make him roughly around 52 years old at the time of this crime
love William Wallace yeah yeah literally like I I exactly my
exact thoughts was was breart um he started working at 14 years old as
what's called a Drapers assistant so he was one of those guys that would like help like people who make manufactured clothes and he would bounce around from
job to job and he had like a tradeit he actually wasn't a total scumbag he was
well known to be like a very nice genial guy very well-dressed um he was kind he
had like aristocratic Hobbies despite the fact that he was nowhere near an aristocrat he liked to play
chess he played the violin he was really into botney and even uh lectured chemistry at Liverpool Technical College
in a spare time in 1913 he met a woman named Julia
Dennis and they got married around sometime in 1914 this is a little bit old in time and it's England so like a
lot of the recordkeeping is going to be a little bit ambiguous which is going to really come into play when I get into
specifically Julia's case so okay by the 1930s he was working full-time as What's
called the collections agent for an insurance company I I took this to mean more than we would consider a
collections person this seems like your neighborhood insurance guy is what this sounded
like uh apparently this time insurance people were like crazy trustworthy so
like you're like seriously like your insurance person like could be your best man at your wedding like this is a kind
of like you weren't just casually hired to be an person again he was kind of like a well quaffed person but not like
a richat it happens in like the maril Lynch commercials youever see those where it's like oh that's our Mar Lynch
guy he's like at the wedding so yeah it's like no people I I don't want to
Chad which is just communicate via chat that's it so especially in this case
because he worked for Prudential which um at that time was called credential Assurance company I need now insurance
company but regardless Assurance to start yeah but regardless like that was kind of like the the cream of the crop
back then and that's where he worked so he was like somebody important kind of uh the wife her name like I mentioned
earlier was uh she was born Julia Dennis later on in the story she'll be referred to as Julia Wallace she was born to an
alcoholic father and became an orphan at the age of 13 pretty rough although I
mean she was like an orphan in the late 1800s in England and I feel like man it's kind of like it could be a little
bit Charming if it wasn't so Bleak I mean I feel like everyone was an
orphan by rough approximation we assumed that at the time that her and William
married she would have been about 53 years old and he would have been around 36 early accounts you read of the story
is that they're the same age but somebody some like forensics investigator or something went way back
into like the historical record and somehow deduced that she was 17 years older than he was so I'm just assuming
it doesn't even matter the age actually literally has no relevance here whatsoever so who cares we'll just go with this so part two the crime this
this is so this is a weird one this this is actually like super interesting I'm surprised there has been a movie about this okay because it all sounds so shady
it all sounds totally impossible but I'll get into it so on January 19th 1931 William attended
a chess club meeting and when he got there he was given a note taken half an hour earlier via phone requesting that
he visit an address in town at 7:30 p.m. the next night which is which would be
the 20th to discuss acquiring insurance by a guy named RM
qual cool name it sounds it's like so like old school um Inspector Gadget the
other guy Sherlock Holmes is that a real name RM clro we're going to figure that out okay
doesn't sound real keep going but not was taken by the chess club Captain a guy named Samuel batty who recounted
that the man on the phone asked if William was there and once he told he wasn't he gave batty the message
including the address the name I'm bringing this up because it was noted that batty recalls asking the guy twice
about the address and then Betty bet batty read it back to him to confirm the address so everything was like wrapped
up tight little thing yeah it was that that's what the guy whoever it was said on the phone exactly the next day it's
Al it's also worth noting that this guy Samuel batty like he's been running this chess club forever and has known um
William forever so is it wait I said phone is it is a phone message or is it like someone came by or no it was a
phone message it was a phone message back then the way it was the way it worked and this is this I didn't write
this to the Allen but this is how it's going to come up later is that you go to a pay phone you pick up the thing you
say I want you to connect me with this establishment they say okay we are now
connected now hit the place your coins in and hit the button a or b or whatever
it is and then you hit it and then they initiate the connection so there's actually a conversation happening at the
phone booth before you even get connected because you're talking to the operator to figure this out right so uh
the next day William uh he leaves home in the morning to start making his rounds doing collections on the
insurance payments that he was owed and his clients will later recall that he seemed totally normal his behavior was
normal his demeanor was all usual during this time um or sorry at
around 3:30 p.m while he was out Amy Wallace who was William's sister-in-law stopped by to visit Julia and spent
about an hour with her the timeline's going to be important so keep up with us so Julie Amy is there from uh 3:30 to
4:30 then she leaves William gets home at around 605
p.m. and he has evening me meal with Julia between 6:30 in 645 a milk boy
delivers milk and saw Julia in person leaving empty milk bottles outside for
him to collect to leave the new milk bottles there and it was at 6:45 that
William uh also left for his appointment that was originally self-reported that
was not the milk boy saying this it was later corroborated because
we'll find out that William had to hop on two trams to to get to this
appointment and he would be noted that he was at that in that location because people actually experienced him there so
police knew that really the 645 timeline is like key of like figuring out like
where William was like he had to have left this house at this time essentially so uh he makes his way to
this part of town again via the tram and he was supposed to go to men love garden
East that's the name of like this area MH there was no men love garden East the
address that was given didn't exist he was dropped off at men Love Garden West
and started looking for the address and couldn't find it obviously he was documented to having spoken to locals as
well as police officers in the area and asked if anybody even KN knew who this
qualtrough guy even was nobody knew what it was and everybody said that this place doesn't actually exist there is no
East part of this section um by this point he was basically late to the meeting anyways
which is also key because was always on time and he ended up talking to a police officer saying hey where can I find a
phone book and he directed him to a post office again this was all noted because a police officer was talking to him and
this guy was checking his watch and the reason he was checking his watch he would later say was because he was concerned that the post office might be
closed it closed at 8 he's like okay at 7:45 I have exactly enough time to get to the post office and see if this guy's
name is in the phone book he gets there no qual trough in the directory there's no Nobody by this name okay at this
point he's like whatever I'm over this he gives up and he catches a tram back home at around 8 it's technically around
like 757 or something but we're just going to round up to 8 around 8:40 he
gets home and tries his keys on the front door they won't open apparently they've been bolted from the inside so
then he goes around to the back tries that door he can't get in he goes to the front again he gets a little bit more
frantic and nobody's answering the door he's DK on the door door is coming through uh he goes again to the actor at
that time his neighbors so Johnson's a married couple encounter him and see that he's kind of frantic and all that
and uh he was mostly frantic because at that time Julie had bronchitis and also
there was like a SP spat of robberies that were going on in the in the neighborhood and so he was kind of like concerned about what might be going on
and eventually he tries to key I don't I have no idea I couldn't figure out this one detail like why the key worked this
one time but it was working before little bit suspect but almost seem like he wanted neighbors to hear him being
frantic I don't totally know what the logic was there but anyways uh the neighbors are outside he finally gets
into the back door he asks them to wait outside while he goes and checks on his wife he goes inside and on the Parlor
floor was Julia with her head completely bashed in with blood splattered all over
the walls like her brains were literally coming out I read a um a report that was written by the police officer saying you
could actually see the brain like it's really bad if it was more recent I'd be
more I'd be less like um chuckling about it but it's it's very gruesome when you read about it so yeah yeah so at that
time William for some reason tells a johnon to go get a doctor and a police
officer and a do a doctor well probably the doctor is probably the coroner right probably actually yeah yeah doctor Gonna
Save her but it's probably the only person who like looks at bodies totally totally so please show up up and upon
cursy examination they realized that his collection box that he' been out earli that morning collecting all the dues has
been [Music] looted so that's part two part three is
the investigation and trial so the police start investigating and by all accounts they kind of mess it up again very similar to OJ like the second the
cops show up and it's like the phonetic energy of a crime scene like this seems
to kind of cause things to go a little bit Haywire let me touch everything and move everything around
yeah lit literally um so there was one cop who was drunk um who ended up
flushing like a toilet which could have cleaned away blood evidence that was there another cop took some of the milk
that was just delivered and started feeding the cat with it which could have
marked prince off or remov Prince that could have shown that maybe it wasn't Julia the guy saw like they just kind of bumbled their way through this crime
scene that's funny um it seems for the most part the reason why it happened the
way that it happened was because the cops had this prevailing Theory which also just happens to be the correct one
which is always the husband like they were like obviously he did it so why are
we even bothering with this like let's just execute him tomorrow like who cares so this is the problem with this logic
though the Milkman saw Julia and William presumably walking around this men love
garden area presumably wasn't completely covered in blood so
this is similar to another case which you have covered Taylor which is the Lizzie bordon situation in the case up
there I was hoping when I said par I was like I bet that like triggered something with you it totally did and and I'm
thinking I was actually I just wikip pedd at it to see if I could see what they look like and their faces aren't on
here but I'm going to keep looking but there is something on Wikipedia that says um he couldn't have done it but
neither could have anyone else which is like problem yeah exactly what happened with Lizzy bordon you're like she
definitely couldn't have done it but no one else could have done it either so who did it we don't know yeah yeah I for that nail I was like this is the exact
same situation was there's nobody else who could have done it but it had to it could have been this guy yeah that's so
yeah but and there in lies kind of the cash 22 situation the police ended up finding themselves and so in the in the
least charitable timeline available William would have had 15 minutes the least charitable meaning that the milk
boy mistook 645 for 6:30 which means somebody saw her alive at 6:30 and then
William had to have left the house by 6:45 to have gotten to the train station which means he would have had at most 15
minutes to brutally kill Julia right stage the robbery clean himself off and
then cat the tram that's it so it's also worth noting that William suffered from kidney disease he
actually only had one kidney which also made him sickly so what police found was when they tried to recreate this within
a 15-minute window of time it technically is doable but it was not done by like a 50 plus year old guy with
one kidney you know working all day like right if you were like a young healthy
person you could like run and do it but he wasn't running anywhere yeah yeah and to add to that police could find no
evidence of blood in the sinks because assume they'd assume that William must have cleaned himself off um and maybe
like you know where's all the blood if he'd done this right is there blood like
I don't know like with Lizzy bordon too like there's no blood like leaving yeah you know like there's no handles yeah
yeah uh one part of Julia's murder that Pro the
prosecution and police used to kind of explain this away was that Julia was found laying on top of William's
raincoat so it was the raincoat he was wearing earlier that day while doing his rounds and obviously he took it off when
he came home police and prosecutors um presumably anxious to kind of pin the crime on William said that the reason
the timing isn't that suspect is that William must have been wearing the raincoat when he murdered Julia and then
laid that at the crime scene there seems like a little stretchy
that seems hard because then you have to like what do you do like roll her onto it or like can you lay here please yeah
yeah so they also said that they presumed that he as this qualtrough guy
himself calling the chess club to give himself kind of this Alibi and and to be somewhere else the only wrinkle on that
like I mentioned is that Samuel batty the guy who answered the chess club Captain he'd known William for years and he said that it was impossible for the
voice of qual trro to have been that of William and you know that when you know somebody that well you can pick up their
voice like immediately I me at least I can I think was it weird for that to even be a thing or where people know
like oh I can I know I can find the insurance guy at the chess club we're gonna get to that when we get to
our conspiracy theories my God you're good at this Taylor you would yeah you would have burned through like the old
Hardy Boy books like pretty fast I would imagine I've read I've read several of the Nancy Drews so yes or Nancy Drews
yeah I was I was actually going to go with um Scooby-Doo you probably like saw the the guy it was the cousin from the
other town over saw like in my head yeah yeah so the other part of the their the
prosecution that the uh police's theory was that uh what was probably used to beat her to death was an iron bar and
then the murderer took the iron bar with him presumably in this case William hopped on the train and then hit it somewhere nobody ever found this iron
bar nobody actually found the murder weapon ever so on April 22nd 1931 William goes
on trial and he was found guilty by a jury and sentenced to death which was
the mandatory sentence it isn't explicitly stated but it is pretty
implied that the judge overseeing his case was like this is totally wrong like
this guy obviously couldn't be found guilty Beyond A Reasonable Doubt um one
article I read about this was that in a very rare case in these situations the judge didn't thank the jury it was like
okay fine mandatory sentence death sentence like that he had no choice he had no discretionary function
here also in a very unusual term of events literally the first time this has
ever happened in a capital Criminal case in UK history one month after this
conviction and he sentenced to prison and to death the pellet Court above the court
that was um trying him threw his conviction out basically saying like there's no chance you could a it's all
circumstantial but there's varying degrees of how convincing circumstantial evidence is and this isn't that
convincing so they threw it out less than two years after being released from prison he ended up just dying of
complications caused by kidney disease and was buried next to his wife it was said that there was treatment for his
disorder that he got from his kidney disease and he refused treatment because like his life was ruined everybody thought like he did it and he got away
with OJ problem right like it just turned into that hole
Fiasco so there are theories on who did it so there was one guy named Joseph
Caleb Marsden uh he was found stealing from the insurance company William was a
supervisor and he ended up firing him um there was some assumption that he might
have done this because when fce started looking up guys named wal they found one
who was a client of Marsen and he really didn't have a good Albi his Albi was he was at home with the flu when all this
went down they like qualtrough you have no alibi why wasn't he in the phone book
oh oh he wasn't it was different cities it was different parts of the Town yeah okay um and so so that was one person
the more convincing person that most true Prime authors now seem to say is
like clearly the guy who did it is this guy named Richard Gordon Perry so his
Alibi was that he was with his fiance when all this happened they would later break up and she would come forth and
say no he wasn't he told me to tell you that I we weren't together that night on in addition to that he was also caught
stealing and it was basically like implied that he should resign on his own he was also being managed by William who
was the one who caught him stealing he also happed to have been in their home before having met Julia and knew where
the collection box was held because he'd been out doing the rounds with uh William before in the past he also knew
what days the box would be the most full given like when he was going to be out doing his collections and it would have
been this night that Julie ended up being murdered m the other thing that's interesting is that a garage mechanic
which I guess is where back in the day you would go to clean out cars he noticed that Perry had showed up at the
garage and use a high pressure hose to clean off the garage it was said and kind of strongly implied that he also
had a bloody glove again Barry OJ Simpson but I I I didn't F find any like
clear evidence of that so I'm just going to say that's a rumor but it is interesting because in the 1960s he
ended up moving to Wales moving far outside of town and he changed his name like presumably for no obvious reason
did he ever like act like he had a lot of money or like buy something fancy yeah so he did so he had his father was
actually relatively well off and so he again he worked for an insurance company so he's like a well qua kind of gentleman type um but it was also said
that he spent super lavishly it was assumed that he probably blew through the money he made and the money that his parents gave him and that could have
been a justification of why he did this got it so but would have been weird that he had a lot of money because his parents gave him money
anyway exactly yeah exactly so um so
yeah that he ended up dying in 1981 I believe and so technically the murder of
Julia Williams is UN undiscovered we don't know we have no idea who did it um
all we have is several theories which is again very Lizzy Boron me can you bring back deathbed confessions come on come
on guyses yeah tell me who you murdered on your death bed because we don't get
many of those anymore and I want to hear some I would love to hear some I I this
guy I feel pretty bad for because it sounds like he was actually a pretty standup person and it doesn't sound like he deserve
what he got and by all accounts it doesn't sound what's interesting is that they did several mock trials the
prosecution and the defense would do several mock trials and well there was two of them so
there's one real trial two mock trials both of them acquitted him of the murder it was only the real tree that actually
found him guilty um so yeah youall himself yeah well okay what what about
it being weird people called the chess club did we talk about that ah that was the other thing so the other sorry I
didn't bring that up thanks for calling that out so the other thing is that this guy Perry was in a drama club that also
met at the same Cafe that a chess club met in and so he what they have is this
board that shows the matchups that are upcoming that week and so any anybody
who's in the drama club would have been in there and been like okay so this is when this guy's going to be here and
actually this is who he's playing so that is suspicious to me yeah
yeah who do you think they do it's got to be this Perry guy I can't finding
argument that it's anybody else that was one of the other reasons why the app actually threw it out was
because police were so eager to pin this on William in the husband Trope that he
did it that things like this mechanic seeing Perry that night were suppressed so
there wasn't any counterarguments being presented saying that it could have been anybody else was like it's just this guy
it has to be this guy oh it looks like though that John
Parks the guy who said that Perry had come to his garage and washed his car
told people that a year before he died so that is semi- deathbed confession he told people that
he saw him doing this but per that's not that's not his death bed confession he didn't do anything wrong he's the garage
guy no I know but his death confession was like his almost death bed confession was like this
happened it's true you got me on that one you got me on a technicality when you're out from his death
he's only 21 Gordon Barry it kind of overlaps too because I read that Agatha
Chrissy also like she didn't write about it but she would reference this murder in one of her books I bet she
did so it it's very fun old true Prime old
England true primy um yeah
so yeah it's interesting like I love well like the pictures of it are the
same as Lizzie Borden's house you know it's like a cool old timey house is it cool or kind of dark and
scary it's both that I for me dark and scary is cool so it's both it's fair
that's why you would do great in a haunted house me I would love love a haunted house um so yeah that's my story
for this week a little bit of a short one but I wanted to go back to the True Crime side of things I was desperately
looking for something obscure that is like interesting obscure and not covered to death and I stumbled on this one
thank you chat gbt cuz I literally asked it like what is some weird mysterious unsolved deaths that people don't talk about was like look up this one so yeah
yeah but yeah wait so explain to me again so the room was locked like from
the inside in a weird way or like it was just the door was just locked I couldn't get an answer to why it
was such a story for him to like get into the house
it was presumably that she had dead bolted the doors from the inside with no
accessible key on the outside but I don't get how he got in the second time he tried the back door
like that's the part of it that is like a little bit suspicious to me is like were you trying to make a show of it so
that people would know you weren't in the house then right like that it was like extra locked yeah yeah
yeah yeah I don't know cuz even like at lizie Borden's house they would like lock every door you know like the
weirdest way they they did this too because like I said like at this time there was a bunch of robberies happening
like home invasions happening and so people were scared people were nervous that was part of the reason why he said
he decided to just give up on this qual trough guy and leave that part of town was because he was like yeah it was
worried like it's getting dark I'm nervous I could get mugged I'm nervous my wife might get mugged I need to get
out of here I out of Dodge before it gets any darker so yeah but totally but but but that that
piece of it is like interesting because I can't fully understand like what was going on with the locks that made it
such a predicament the first three times he tried and then why is he making such
a if there's nothing wrong with the locks and he's making a huge scene
then he might be guilty like I I don't know I don't know
and the phone call was made from a telephone booth 400 yards away from his
house that's pretty far in a city yeah I didn't I read that too it's
really it's cool looking photo did you see it I did see that yeah it looks fun um but but again like I
mean this is the 1930s like people aren't reliably traveling 20 miles to do
things everything's kind of in a tight cluster around C exactly and they're in like they're not in like a rural place
they're in Liverpool which is like a relatively big city yeah
yeah well I wish that we knew what happened but that's there so many
stories like that Taylor when I asked chadu BT to spit out some stories some of the things were so like blood
curdling I was like I was like I don't I don't want to go down this you know it remind me of the tote murder where I was
like I wish that stuff was in my head and like I started reading some of this stuff and was like I really don't want it this to be in my head I'm gonna go
somewhere else no there's so much stuff where I'm like I wish I didn't know yeah like that that's terrible
there's there's a weird I I actually don't know this for a fact but it seemed like for some reason like Scandinavian
countries have like a weird relationship with like unsolved
brutal murders I don't I don't know why but there was a lot that came up and I was
like and also I was like I can't pronounce any of these names or locations and oh yeah that's too hard
yeah yeah yeah it's little too tough so um anyways that's my story
um do we have any any anything we want to read out today um no I mean I think a
bunch of people have just been responding to things which has been super fun oh I saw Morgan my friend Morgan who's listened to every episode
uh thank you Morgan she she like binged the whole entire thing um which is awesome and because of the show she
found out that I was going to be in Japan and we overlapped in Kyoto and we had dinner and it was so fun just like
super fun to see her and then that same night we saw our friend Dan his band dirt bike Annie had a three Show run in
Japan and we happened to be there the same time we saw his band play from La was also super fun oh wow oh wow okay so
he's an LA based musician and they were tour ring yeah and we know him because of
um him and Juan used to work together on The Apprentice in New York like 20 years ago no way um so he just happened to be
there which was really really really really fun so um yeah so Morgan Morgan is the mystery 15 downloads in Tokyo
that we were talking about many weeks ago thank you Morgan thank you Morgan um yeah and if you know someone
who needs a podcast to binge Morgan is cool and she recommends it tell your friends trust Morgan doomed to fail on
all the social medias love it everywhere love it awesome well we'll go ahead and
cut things off and rejoin y'all with Taylor story in a few