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🎙️ New Episode Alert! 🚨 Dive into the chilling case of Daniel Wozniak in our latest podcast episode. We dissect the shocking events leading up to his infamous crimes, unravel the mind of a murderer, and explore the trial that captivated the nation. 🔍💡 Tune in now to uncover the dark side of human nature. #TrueCrime #Podcast #DanielWozniak
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[Music] in a matter of the people of State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you all righty
Taylor we are back and it should be Wednesday on the day that this is going out um welcome back hopefully your
groceries are here or well soon to be here there I thought why don't we mix it
up and why don't you introduce us today oh God Spot sure um hi everyone welcome
to Doom to fail we are a podcast that talks about history greatest failures
and disasters and things that went wrong and we cover everything from natural disasters engineering disasters True
Crime disasters anything you can think of that's what we're going to talk about and today fars is going to kick us off
and tell us a fun story I am gonna go back to True Crime nice yeah and and I'm
going to go to a story that I don't think anybody's going to know the name of like when I describe like when I tell you the name of the uh person I'm
covering I don't think you're going to recognize it but I think a lot of people have heard of this case but it's interesting because this case actually
like was relatively recently resolved despite the fact that it was kind of in the media all over the place in like
2010ish 11 somewhere around there um and so the first time I heard about the
person time I'm talking about here was I used to be obsessed with the MSNBC show lockup have you ever seen that
no but I imagine it's about prison yeah it is they go into different
kinds of Prisons they interview people and talk to people so on and so forth and so the time I never heard about this
story or I didn't know about this story and then they interviewed this one guy on death row and he was just like chubby
jovial Elvis Presley haircut looking guy like he was just like a I don't know was
weird it was it was just like it just he just didn't seem like the kind of person that would be on death row and it was it
was a weird weird situation I researched the guy then I saw some dat line stuff that came out about him and I struggled
back to it uh today I forgot how I even thought of this guy again but it it was just like yeah people haven't heard this
story in a while might as well cover I'm going to cover this guy his name is Daniel wasak Taylor you probably don't know that name do
you I don't know I don't think so why name sounds familiar um can I tell you
that I got a really weird email from our sheriff and my husband and I both were like did you get that email it was like an email the sheriff sent to everybody
in the county and it was like I'm concerned about the death row inmates escaping essentially and then he was
like just like in 1980 when this one guy escaped and then ended up killing four people with an ice pick and I was like
why are you emailing me this but what what is happening was it really for the sheriff yes and like it was so weird I
brought up to my husband he was like I know I read that that it was like 17 paragraphs there was no ask at the end there were no buttons to click it was
just like this weird story about death row inmates potentially escaping and I was like live you live nowhere near San
Quinton I don't I don't I don't even know it was really weird yeah strange
you must have been having a moment or something yeah I don't think anyone anyone proof read that or like double checked the ha on that well you might
have thought the name was is familiar because I mean Steve wnc is the co-founder of Apple that's this guy yeah
yeah this is this is not that this is this is this is like the
furthest uh this case was really interesting to me because it was like again his personality so weird because
you're like he's such a jovial so sociable cool kind looking dude and then you realize what he did and you're like
oh he's crazy evil but he's also super dumb and the reasons why he did what he did is like really really stupid which
is I that was my seat moving in case somebody's wondering if I'm tooting on the podcast um but for reason that
combination of being like really Sinister but also like dumb is kind of scarier to me than like someone who's
deliberately Sinister and can get away with things it's like it's almost like man that's like really a shame like you
could have like people think about like Charles Manson is like this evil guy who like controls people it's like no he's just a crazy hippie like he was just a
crazy dude like like yeah they're not that well thought out people but that's
that's the kind of guy that I'm going to cover today uh Daniel bazak um very very
weird case in all happens in a really condensed period of time so it'll be kind of a quick one for folks
So Daniel was accused of killing two people in a really horrible way and for
a really awful reason and it is just one of those situations where if you started thinking about the psychology of this
guy you're going to start going down some weird rabbit holes but let's start out with kind of where this thing kicks
off so Daniel is basically in our age group so as of right now he like literally just turned 40 years old um he
up in California and from an early age he was super interested in acting in the
theater and so that's basically what he did as his Hobbies growing up was take part in plays and local theater
shows uh eventually he would attend a community college in Orange County and
also be very active in the local theater scene uh and it was at this time that he
would also meet a woman named Rachel May mfet who they would start dating and
eventually moved in together and got engaged by all accounts he had no job
like I have no idea how he paid for anything except for credit cards it sounds like he was in a huge huge amount
of debt and that was causing a lot of problems obviously he was like on his
way to getting evicted from his home uh and for some reason him and Rachel had
also planned out like an incredibly elaborate wedding and a honeymoon so this guy's back was pretty much pressed
up against the wall and a part of me was thinking to myself okay so at this time you're 26 years old you're living in
Southern Southern California acting is your passion you found the person you want to be
with and I mean I'm not trying to justify it but but I'm I'm trying to think of like
if somebody came to you and said well like you got to go make sandwiches at Subway you know like you like I'm so
close to like achieving my dreams and things anyway I was trying to like figure out like why he would do what
what he would do other than just getting a normal job and I think it's something about like he probably thought he' get
away with it and he was really close to actually making it big as an actor I don't I don't know exactly but I don't know my general
perception of it is that like if you're at this age and things aren't coming together for you then I don't know maybe
just give up and move on to something else like you're 26 yeah maybe it's time or just break up with your or just tell
your girlfriend you're not going to get married like yeah like I don't know people who spend so much money on that
stuff like if you can't afford it don't don't do it yeah it's that but it's that
part of the thing that's going to instigate him to do something bad yes yes so Daniel and his fiance Rachel they
lived in an apartment complex and there was another person that lived there they were really really well acquainted with
and that's where're going to get into our victim so this victim his name is Sam her Sam
was a 26-year-old veteran who had just returned back home after spending some time in combat in Afghanistan and
apparently he was like he wasn't like he wasn't like turning radio dials
in Afghanistan like he was apparently one of the guys that had to like run into like enemy fire to like secure
positions for people behind him like he was like he was an intense dude um and
Sam and Daniel they were friendly they were friendly enough to where at some point Sam tells Daniel that he'd saved
up somewhere around $60,000 of of combat pay which happened in in that one case I
covered oh God I can't remember her name the woman that's on death row in Florida where somebody just casually mentioned
they had like 100 Grand Bank Tiffany Tiffany cool just never tell people your
financial situation especially like I don't know if this guy had cash and I don't think those people didn't have cash either but they thought that they
did cuz remember in part of like part of thing they were talked about was how stupid the criminals were cuz they were like let's go rob them of the money they
made from selling their house and you're like if you sell your house and you make $200,000 they don't give you $200,000 in
tens you know it's actually it's actually a bag with a dollar sign on it
like they like toss it at you and you have to carry it out like what are you what are you thinking that makes no sense so yeah which which comes into
play here actually so um by all accounts I'm specifically
referencing like a a DAT line episode involving this guy named Chris Williams was a friend of the couple but mostly it
seems like both of them but primarily Daniel was probably always doing illegal [ __ ] so like that's the only way he knew
how to make ends me like he wouldn't get a job he wouldn't ask for help somehow they would pay things and nobody really
knew how they had the money to do that right so it must have been suspicious yeah he talked about how he was over at
their house once and Daniel owed them owed him money and he said that he went out for a few
hours Daniel said he's going to go to get the money that he owed him he went out for a few hours and he came back and
he was like out of breath and had a crazy look in his eyes and he was like
uh there was something weird going on I don't know how he got this money but I doubt he just like went and pulled it
out of his own bank account yeah on May 21st 2010 Daniel asked Sam to help him
move some equipment at the local theater which was closed but that Daniel had access to they went up to the attic and
as Sam had head his back to Daniel Daniel shot him twice in the back of the head apparently the first time he shot
him it didn't kill him and Sam said something like hey like something just hit me like help like he was asking for
help and he just shot him again in the back of the head oh yeah I bet I mean I bet that was confusing as a really
[ __ ] confusing 30 seconds or two seconds for Sam can you imagine you come back from Afghanistan you're you're
advancing position for the military you're being sniped and you get shot in the head in the Attic of a local theater
like it's like it's it's wild it's wild so unfair very unfair it reminds me of that um
that Chris K guy who was like trying to help out he was like a sniper or marine sniper or something he was trying to
help out that one veteran and the guy just shot him was like seriously like you went through like three years of fua
and you just got shot back in the head by your truck in Texas like it's great yeah that was terrible So Daniel this
this story is so crazy Daniel leaves the body in the Attic of this theater and
then he goes to a different theater because that night him and his fiance
are set to perform a show called Nine which I've never heard of but apparently it's got a
lot of awards I saw nine with Antonio Banderas on Broadway that is very cool
okay so it's pretty popular yeah I mean it was like maybe 20 years ago but I was very excited to see it my friend had
tickets and it was cool can you imagine like you're going to go act in a like you just shot someone in the head I mean
I yeah no totally and then he just like goes to work essentially as a job that
not paid so weird so weird so so he kills Sam leaves his body but
he takes Sam's phone and his wallet uh he goes on to perform in the show and
then once the show is over he starts texting a second victim a woman named
Julie Kashi so Julie was friends with Sam and
she was Sam's tutor he was attending a a community college called the or Coast Community College and by all accounts
they had like a brother or sister type of relationship it was in theory platonic Daniel knew all this except
maybe the brother or sister part because he was like texting some weird sexual stuff to Julie that was like a little bit unusual anyways Julie was from
Daniel's phone from Sam's phone Sam's phone yes okay so Julie was at dinner
with her brother when her phone starts blowing up from text messages from Sam saying things like I need you um I'm in
a bad way I'm having trouble with my family I don't want to be alone it he was trying to like do like a I'm having
a PTSD kind of a breakdown moment to to Julie knowing that she would care enough to leave and take care of him so Julie
leaves dinner and heads over to Sam's apartment when she gets there Daniel's outside and he's basically acting as
though he's a concerned friend he was also there to take care of Sam said he had an extra key was going to let her in
once they go inside he also shoots her in the head killing her what why we're
going to talk about that okay he then proceeds to kind of dress up the scene
as like a sexual thing like an assault type of situation uhhuh the next day he
goes up to the theater attic and he starts dismembering Sam's body uh he took the head arms and legs and disposed
them in a nature preserve but left the Torso hidden in the Attic apparently when he was doing this he said that he
started laughing because he was looking down at what he was doing and was like I can't even believe what I'm doing he was
so like he was having like an disassociative experience I guess yeah yeah so Days Later a man named Steve her
which is Sam's father calls the police and frantically tells them that he found a dead woman in his son's apartment
Steve lived relatively close to Sam and they were close enough as a family that not hearing from him for a while was
enough to concern him so Steve just went over there and let himself in and he found Julie's body I listened to the
police recording of this and man this guy sounds really freaked out that is a
good reaction but I was thinking to myself I was like if I mean wouldn't you want to try and find your kid first
before you call the police or call a I don't know no I would call the police because I would assume that they were also in
trouble right right that's fair that's fair and then like even
if well this is where I'm going with it even if the answer was that my child had killed this woman I would still want to
call the police because I wouldn't help my child bury that body but I want my child to be caught so they don't harm themselves
maybe something happened you know a lot of things right I you're you're a good mother um so at first police show up and
they're like okay well obviously we know what happened Sam killed Julie and went on the Run that's that's it um and this
actually wasn't a crazy Theory because Sam was actually arrested and charged eight years prior after he and a group
of men lured someone to a park and beat them to death oh what yeah he got
charged but he got acquitted and what other other men in that group did not get acquitted what I basically
understood was that he like was like running with some gangs I don't I mean I can only assume it was like the pre or
postmilitary pre they let they let him
in I just like I was Pro Sam until this thing they
let him in the military after he had been accused of beating someone to death
well well he was acquitted though yeah but like so that sound he was there close
well yeah if you're quitted I mean there's like there's there's nothing on your record like you got charged and you went to trial and nothing happened so
you don't have the desperation of a military recruiter in me yeah that's yeah you're you're not cut off of that role yeah so police looked at Sam's
history and was like this is and also you know maybe he's a veteran with PTSD having a issues you know that's kind of
how they it that's what I was thinking first so they got to they got to working
on on trying to track him down and the only real clue they had was that his debit card was used to withdraw money at
an ATM and a Lo local pizza parlor
so police pulled the footage of the ATM and realized that it wasn't Sam withdrawing the money but some random
kid who was later identified as Wesley freck who was I think 17 16 or 17 at
this time so so a question for you y don't only know by now
that it have cameras that's all um I'm going to talk about our perpetrator and
about how little he understood about I also don't know who this person is so tell me who this person is yeah so
police find Wesley this kid and they're like why do you have this guy's debit
card and why are you withdrawing money out of his account and he goes oh I have a me a mentor from when I was
in theater class name's Daniel and Daniel approached me with this ATM
and he said that he's working for a baill bondsman and this person whose debit card I'm using skipped town
without paying him and he wants to me to get money out for him and he just did it
so police call Daniel and say we need you to come in and we need to talk to
you about what's going on here and Daniel said no I'm going to my bachelor
party tonight I can't talk so please like [ __ ] this guy so they go to the bachelor party and arrest him at his
bachelor party and this is two days before he's supposed to get married and
they think they thought for a second that it was like a policeman stripper yes I really really because theater
people are a unique breed and they probably think that everything could break out in dance somehow oh my God I
hope that there was like a 30 seconds where everybody was like woo
it's like it's like why do we in why do we all invite like the 300 pound you know retired male stripper here not
gonna anyone's yum you do you that's funny funny not funny but funny you know
so he goes in for questioning and he tells police that he withdrew the money
as part of an insurance scheme he and Sam devis basically the idea was
that Sam was gonna sorry Daniel was going to run up these
like fake charges by doing cash withdrawals on Sam's account then Sam would claim it to his to what the credit
card company and then basically they would have double money essentially is what he was arguing he was going to do
so he goes with that story at first then this drags on for hours and hours and hours eventually and that's how they
wear you down like that's why you should never talk to the police you should always call an attorney because eventually wear you down to tell you
tell you something you know that again again you are my lawyer so yes yes always call me when you're getting
arrested So eventually he spins this into Sam also says something about
having to kill Julie I don't know I don't know what's going on he's gonna go on the run and maybe kill Julie and then maybe we're going to do this insurance
thing as the interrogation dragged on he would change a story and put himself in
the apartment after Sam went on the run and also after Julie had been killed and
he mentions that she' been shot in the head twice he was like I walked in I saw Julie she was shot in the head twice and
that's when police were like that's weird because how would you know that yeah how did you know that because I mean unless you shave her head like a
corner would do right and then Trace bullets like you don't actually you would never know by looking a body when
it's shot in the head So eventually they're like okay there's something going on with this guy
let's bring in his fiance maybe she'll say something or he'll say something to her or she get him to confess or
something so they bring Rachel in and police noticed that when Daniel
described why he was there and why he was being held Rachel seemed like totally unaffected by it she was just
like what like her demeanor was just like and remember they were supposed to get married in two days
like there was something really suspicious going on and every account that I heard about what happened during
this interrogation was like she seemed really chill like super mellow about this whole thing suspiciously chill
suspiciously chill So Daniel that night ends up being taken into a holding cell
the next morning he calls Rachel and Rachel tells him that her brother had brought a backpack that he said that
Daniel gave him to get rid of the day before Daniel told her not to tell the police about the backpack and that's
when Rachel said that there was no way she was going to hide EV evidence from the police that's also when she let Daniel know that by the way this is all
being recorded So so she was she was always working with the police no that if you
call someone from jail it is always recorded my God he's so stupid and so when you asked early about the ATM no he
probably didn't know that it was it was on camera H but this is also something that people talk about when they're like
no it feels like Rachel's putting on an act saying oh I'm such an aboveboard Citizen and she also just say that she
knows she's being recorded so I don't know little sus yeah weird so it was
point that Daniel decides you know what I'm I'm pretty much caught so I'm going to come clean I'm going to confess and
tell the police what I did he does that and it was about five days from when he
was when Sam's murder happened to him being arrested and charged with the
murders Daniel's case would drag on for about six years and in the interim police arrested his fiance as well
charging her as accessory after the fact Daniel had pled not guilty which is like
amazing he plead not guilty and blamed his fiance for the murders one piece of
evidence like in addition to all this other suspicious stuff about the fiance one thing is that when Daniel was first
questioned by the police he said that he saw Sam leave that night with a man
wearing like a black hat When Rachel was separately questioned she also said that he left
with someone with a black hat or yeah Sam left with someone with a black hat and that the last time she saw like
that's part of the reason why she was charged with the successory after the fact was like she knew something was
going on like yeah they were corroborating stories at some point and
so it would take until 2016 for Daniel to eventually be sentenced to death and
in 2018 Rachel was sentenced to just shy of three years for her role uh she
actually got released very very quickly after she got released about a year after so she did that much time she's
she was yeah she was released in 2019 so that yeah that's B that's basically where it stands it's
interesting because um it seems like the dad Steve her was the one who kind of
helped piece all this together because the cops were really quick to say yeah Sam did it girl's
dead yeah yeah and I I forgot to mention this but it was
um it was the Dad Steve who had tried to figure out what was going on he actually
talked to Daniel at one point in the middle of all this investigation um he had his cell phone number after talking
to him and he was the one after police let him know that that pizza parlor had been where that ATM showed up that the
area code was a Long Beach area code and the only number of Sam's friends that
was in that area code was this guy Daniel and so he was kind of like trying and and he's still kind of at it like
he's very adamant that Rachel should spend the rest of her life in jail he's positive that she had something to do with it uh there's an Incredible Dr Phil
episode where he brings in Rachel the fiance and the dad and they like across
from each other and I was like how did you how did you how much did you have to pay these guys to do this like yeah pay
her um but yeah he still he just sat there and told her to her face like you
absolutely know what happened you were absolutely a part of this and you should spend the rest of your life in jail um
that's who knows she she still might she still might because she never got sentenced uh she didn't get charged or
sentenced for Murder She got charged or sentenced for accessory after the fact so it's still possible wow what happened to Daniel is
he still in jail yeah so Daniel's in jail he is part of some this weird
program that I guess like recently started in California where they allow death throw inmates to work and do
things and so he's that might be what my Sheriff has all worked on up about oh
yeah maybe maybe so yeah it's it so he um is
providing like hospice care and is like a tutor or something um I don't know what that means if that means that he's
going into like actual old people's homes which I doubt they would ever allow that to happen or if he's just doing that for other people in prison
but yeah they're um they just started this program I forgot the name of it but it's specifically for death row
inmates H yeah and there were some time that Gavin
Nome is or was thinking about a moratorium on on the on
the death penalty in California do you know this have you heard of this I don't know I don't I know it goes back and forth all the
time yeah yeah so so I don't know there's there's a chance he never gets executed but whatever he's where he
deserve like can you imagine's piss he has to have a job now dude can you imagine the selfishness of like killing
two people just to have a like how no oh my God sooss like that is
and what were you going to do after that what were you going to do when you got home from the honeymoon it's like H well she's pregnant we got to get a house we
need to level up guess got kill three more people someone else yeah what what
a horrible plan what a horrible what horrible people but then but but you should watch some of the interviews of
this guy like when you hear him talking like he's just like he's got to be nuts because he's like so
happy like he's got to be out of his mind well I think also then maybe it's like a
little bit like he didn't really want to be a part of society you know I thought
about that too I thought I thought like maybe he's where he should be because he never wanted to work but he didn't want
to be homeless and like he has a home and no he also sounds like he comes from
a shitty family anyways because his brother was also charged for accessory after the fact because he actually took the bloody instruments that he used to
dismember uh Sam's body and that was a backpack that he gave to Rachel that he was supposed to dispose of and he's been
apparently in and out of jail ever since like it's I don't know there bad the back the backpack had body parts in it
no no it had um the tools he used to spum the body oh yeah which also made me
wonder like what was he gonna do with the Torso his whole point was right it was still in the Attic right yeah his
whole point was like I had to do it this way because I couldn't just come downstairs with a whole body I was like
what we going to do with a torso like how much blood was just
dripping from the attic on top of the stage like and how long would that take to smell
B I mean he he got arrested so quick he got arrested in five days like I don't think that's enough time yeah it's like
literally it took you like 30 seconds to ruin your life or make your life better
if you really wanted to just live in I feel been worse for for Julie and her family because like she literally had
nothing to do with any of this she didn't she didn't even know this guy yeah she didn't know like he was just like
awful just so he can have a honeymoon like in a wedding it's like absolutely insane like yeah I mean I don't know
people do that for last right like you always hear about someone killing a gas station or 7-Eleven attend attendant for
like oh and that was the other thing was he could only withdraw $400 at a time
hold on or sorry $400 a day so it means that that it means to have gotten the
money would have taken him half a year of daily withdrawals doing the
least suspicious thing ever daily withdrawing your maximum such a stupid
idea anyways that's our guy that's our guy for today yeah what a dope yeah he's uh he's
he's with there with it's that San Quinton death row is kind of like a who's who he's he's there with like
Scott Peterson I think still unless Scott Peterson got off he might have got off I feel like he's his I feel bad that
I just pulled the like I think latest mug shot picture cuz he definitely looks better in that picture than other
pictures of him and he does kind of look like Scott Peterson maybe they're friends maybe he's like Scott Peterson's
the cool guy here he's you know he's he's the the
homecoming King on on man what a hey you guys want to learn how to play golf what a gaggle of absolute losers
like imagine I was like I was watching um there's there's a show on I think
it's peacock it's called jail it's just jail they have ones for Las Vegas Texas
Louisiana all over right each season is like one one of those and and I was watching and it just occurred to me I
was like oh this is just like timeout for completely
maldeveloped adult brains because what they do they'll like they act up and like they put them in time they
literally put strap them to chairs and then aim the chairs at the wall and it's like are you calm now it's like [ __ ] you
it's like okay well I'll come back in an hour it's like literally like it's like it's like four kids it's can you imagine
the death was like the worst the worst of that what was the first thing that you the first show you watched it was also called something like jail lock up
locked up okay lock Up's great lock Up's amazing that's one of my favorite shows but I mean at this point I watched all
them like 15 times so I don't watch it anymore but it's fantastic so I'll watch it oh another one okay fine another one
is I'm obsessed with love after lockup that is Taylor it is so good it is so
good I think that I've um I think I've heard of it yeah start start watching it and you
will be completely hooked because it's it's it's like 90-day fiance
except so much wor worse like it's like it's so much more doomed to fail than
even 0day fiance is it people who met like who like fell in love with someone
who is in jail yeah yeah yeah there'll be there'll be like a guy on there where
he's like he's like yeah my baby's getting out I've sent her $90,000 in the past five years while she's in there and
then she gets out and they're like we're going to get married the night she gets out there's one guy literally they get married the night she gets out or the
second night she gets out and and that night she ends up going on a meth binge and stealing his car and getting
arrested the next day like I feel sad and that also kind of makes me happy that men do do that too
and it's not just women writing to Comics I mean the women the wind get
took quite a bit I bet lot of lot of babies that uh whatever I'm not going
there um anyways um that's that's my story cool yeah um that was terrible I feel bad for
half of people in the story and not for the other half there you go yeah uh do
we have any listener mail yes I did mean to look this up something from oh nen
found um the podcast that you were talking about um it is a there is
the three-part series from Freakonomics about um the reparation of antiques
that's what you're talking about and um trying to like return antiques to their
native lands yep that's exactly what it was it was Freakonomics yeah yeah yeah
um yeah so she she shared that one if anybody wants to that it's um fre economics episode 541 the case of the $4
million gold coffin you can't hear the dogs not at all even a little bit wow
this mic is incredible there you go this mic is absolutely s answer they are Crow
lighting up that room over there um no Nan thanks for finding that that was a really really good podcast it was really
interesting because like different countries who hold these possessions
like have kind of developed different methodologies uh determining and almost
all of it boils down to like we still
want the cultural value of it is significant enough to everybody to where
if you allow us we want to keep presenting this stuff all over the place
and um and that's great I think it should it should be that way I think I mean yes have the original people own it
but grant that license for it to be um seen by others ideally that's fair just
like it shouldn't be like you shouldn't set it back to where it came from and then it goes into like some dude's Palace like it should still be available
yeah I was like I was just I'm like going down some weird rabbit holes right now and like there's there's so much Titanic stuff out there where like
somebody rich just bought a bunch of like really great stuff and not great but you know what I mean like yeah yeah
and it's like wait so like the grand piano on the Titanic is now and some
guys well not it's probably not that like stuff like that like that that like has like tremendous cultural value and
historical value that people should be exposed to and be able to see they just like sit somewhere in some guys vaults
and it's like yeah cool I think that K Tut was in LA at one point I know that
my parents saw um the king tutt's like death mask in the sarcophagus and
everything in Chicago in like the SE the 70s and I'm actually reading um from the
mixed up files of Mrs Basil E franker which is one my favorite kids books it's in the 60s in New York City at the
Metropolitan Museum of Art and they talk about how King Tutt was on tour and like went around America and so did um so did
the Mona Lisa cuz remember the mon Lisa was in the when the it like got wet the kennedies were there it could have potentially got wet so yeah I think that
stuff is cool it'd be fun to like go see those things even you get to see them for like half a second like at least you get to get to see them in person so
that's how that's funded they talk about that on fre economics that the Egyptian uh it's like a touring Museum concept
and it is meant to fund the lease for to
the to the to Egypt for taking all this material and being able to go on the place the other thing that they
mentioned was that a lot of these countries or these like cultures don't
have ways of keeping this stuff actually like 100% secure and so that they also lease it out because they're like you be
responsible for this like we don't want this to come and like just sit here that's totally fair I heard about a
painting that um um what is it called the like a painting
in Chicago that like they got to Chicago oh yeah and so there's a a Sarat
painting that it's like pointless so it's like little