Today we revisit the small town from Episode 19 - Skidmore, Missouri. Why does Skidmore have a disproportionately high number of violent crimes? We know that town bully Ken McElroy was killed by a mob and no one was ever charged. We also know that a young man, Branson Kayne Perry, walked out his front door and never came back in 2001 - AND we know his cousin poor Bobbie Jo Stinnett was murdered by an exceptionally horrible Lisa Marie Montgomery. For a very small town very bad things happen in Skidmore.
Today we revisit the small town from Episode 19 - Skidmore, Missouri. Why does Skidmore have a disproportionately high number of violent crimes? We know that town bully Ken McElroy was killed by a mob and no one was ever charged. We also know that a young man, Branson Kayne Perry, walked out his front door and never came back in 2001 - AND we know his cousin poor Bobbie Jo Stinnett was murdered by an exceptionally horrible Lisa Marie Montgomery. For a very small town very bad things happen in Skidmore.
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we're this way yeah there you go um so I'm gonna do a weird kind of throwback I
started touching on or I started researching this topic and it kind of took me back to episode 19 actually yeah
um so basically I started researching this one case that led me to another
case that led me to a town it's a town we covered forever ago when we covered
you're the worst Ken mroy remember that one yeah yeah yeah so the town that that
happened in was Skidmore Missouri and that's I started looking into it
and felt compelled to at least bring up the fact that there's something going on in that
town oh what's going on that did we look in that did you re listen to that
episode that we did is that the one where I did not also did not re listen to it but is that the one where we were like one on the map and we were like
there's four things and yeah then there's there's like a general store for sale or something yeah there's like 200
plus people give or take that live there right now yeah it's like a very it's not it's a it's a small town as yeah
it's an exceptionally small town but the reason so it's one square mile is what the town is like I said it's like a
little over 200 people or corner of the 2020 census right now it is Tiny there's like one store in town and um it's just
it it just has a very very unique kind of personality and what's interesting about Skidmore is I mean every town has
violent crime but Skidmore and Skidmore actually has a lower percentage rate of
violent CRI that other towns in the United States but which I mean who cares I mean the the sample size is 200 people
like everything's going to throw it off I always feel like just population
density is so wild because like you say 200 people is a small town but also like
I don't feel like I know 200 people do you feel like you know 200 people I guess maybe but like if like Joshua tree
has like 6,000 people in it there's no way I'll meet all 6,000 people live in Joshua Tree in my life well I think when
comes to a town it's like the fact that you have to have different skills and
things that you offer up and so a small 200 person town like you got one mailman
two cops a bartender a grer you know mean like it's just like you're very limited in terms there's no there's no
Whole Foods in towns like this um or any kinds of Specialties really but I guess
like like I said like they have a lower than average violent crime rate than the
rest of the us but what's weird is like some of their crimes it's just quotes like the things that happened there were
just overthe toop insane and like for example I went through like I discussed
with the episode 19 the Ken malro killing where he was shot in the middle of town and really nobody cared because
everybody hated the guy so much that for yeah exactly there was that case there was a case that happened in 2000 where
this guy named Greg drao he like beat the hell out of his girlfriend this woman named Wendy gillenwater and then
dragged her body behind his truck down the road my go you Remember The James
Bird case in Jasper Texas no what was that it was like a racist thing that was
like the same thing it was like two that like in the 50s that like
recently what James Bird yeah no James W was like 98 or something yeah I believe
that yeah um and and and this happened like this also happened to this woman it
was the exact same situation I mean absolutely grotesque scenario that was
2000 then 2001 this kid named Branson Perry he went missing and I'm going to cover him in a little bit and then in
2004 probably one of the worst crimes I've ever heard of my entire life happened also in Skidmore and that
basically I'm covering those two last crimes but okay it's like a weird amount
of like terrible yeah they're all over the top B
like one of these happened in like LA or New York it would be like national news for like weeks you know and all this
happened like this one small town and a lot of it was condensed into like a three four year time period which is also kind of wild maybe it could be
something going on like you hear all the time how lead has an impact on how people thinkability maybe something
happened I mean we hear how the the pipes in in Michigan were you know full
of lead maybe I don't know I don't know what might have been going on here the 70s had so many serial killers because all the leted gasoline potentially right
exactly exactly so it could have been something like that going on in the town that's just incredibly low populated and
doesn't have a ton of infrastructure but who knows but I'm going to get into that first one that I talked to talked about
um the Branson Missouri or sorry Branson Missouri uh Branson Perry in Skidmore
Missouri case I'm sure there's a Branson Missouri there's 10 yeah there is yeah
yeah yeah yeah Branson Missouri it's like a it's kind of like a Vegas except like a low budge Vegas um so let's get
into this kid Branson Missouri so God Branson
Perry let's get into this kid Branson Perry so um little bit of background on
them so Branson he was a graduate of the local high school here there in Skidmore
Missouri and he at the time of the events we're talking about he was 20
years old so in like the preceding two years from when he graduated until what happened on on on this date he basically
just like drift around town he was like a towy he was really really nice kid apparently he would just like help out
with like odd jobs and make money doing stuff like that maybe do some Contracting or Contracting work like labor work here and there um and in the
middle of all this he was also living with his father a guy named Bob who was divorced uh his mom was in town but they
weren't together and so he lived with his dad Bob who apparently had some medical issues and he helped kind of take care of him so he seemed like an
allaround like a decent kid with a pretty close relationship with his father one way we know that he had a
pretty close relation with his father was that on April 7th of 2001 he was visiting a friend named Jason Beerman
and he was apparently dat raped so we don't know all the details um also this
is small a small town in 2001 so I'm assuming homosexual stuff was pretty
well con concealed if it was going on um but the way Branson put it was that
he was at this guy Jason's house Jason drugged him and they had sex BR
uh Branson told all this to his father and in a Sly I don't know I would kind
of consider this almost like Progressive in a way like he was just pissed at Jason for taking advantage of his kid
like apparently he known that his son he had thought his son might be gay but like he
didn't really press the issue um and he was he was it there was something going on with
this situation because apparently drugs were also involved outside of the date raid component of this um but regardless
like this ended up happening on April 7th of 2001 the date is going to be probably important I don't know how
important but it's probably going to be important so on April 11th so four days
after this Branson was Home Alone um with his friend Jenna and she was over
there to help him kind of clean the house like I said he was really close to his dad his dad had help his dad was in the hospital at the moment and he was
under the assumption that he had to get things in order at the house for when his dad comes home from the hospital which he assumed is going to be very
shortly so Jenna was there to kind of help him clean the house get things taken care of he'd also retained some
unidentified men to work on his dad's car to get that up and running as well
so this is April 11 this is 4 days after the date rape situation okay at around 300 p.m. that
day Jenna says that she saw Branson take a pair of jumper cables outside out of
the house because he was going to walk it over to this Tool Shed they had that was adjacent to the house and she never
saw him again and apparently she never reported anything about this either she just kind of left she's like oh well I guess he's got bored and did something
else so I'm just gonna I'm just going to leave which little sus but I know I know
I know a little too casual but I try to myself in the frame of mind of like I'm a small town person person all these
people kind of seem like they just kind of they're like Drifters all just kind of come in and out of each other's lives
and it's very it's very transient it feels like um so at the time that he disappeared
like I said his dad Bob he was in the hospital and he ended up getting released from the hospital a few days
after April 11th um and so he was gone nobody had seen him for a couple of days
before anybody even noticed what was going on so once Bob got home and he couldn't find Branson he and Bob's mom
Branson's grandmother filed the missing person's Report with the police and the police immediately set out searching a
15 milei radius around the house and ultimately found nothing of note what's
interesting is they didn't even find the jumper cables but apparently a few days after this event the jumper cables kind
of showed up on the front doorsteps of the house and nobody can really figure out like did we miss it like how did how
did this thing just show up um yeah and the the other caveat I'll throw out
there and like not to bmer anybody on this but it is a smalltown police police
department right like like again at the time of this event I went back and looked at the math on this at the time
of this event it was it had a population of 342 people so like you're not dealing
with major homicide units and detective units and CSI that's not the universe
we're talking about here so um so anyways going back to the the case itself so police do this search they
don't really find anything um people he were he was acquainted with were all
interviewed and they were all given polygraph tests and nothing suspicious kind of came out of the polygraphs or any of these interviews the only thing
that came out of interviews that police kind of looked in on like I said before is that Branson to whatever extent was
like Dam dabbling a little bit in drugs like some marijuana but also some methamphetamines so like he was he was
kind it sound like he was like not over the precipice yet and was like kind of just in that periphery um and you know
that Peak kind of the police's radar and thought maybe this could be a drug related thing so regardless everything
kind of calmed down and no nobody was found um in in this in this intervening
time until two years had passed from when he initially went missing when police arrested a 59-year-old minister
and former Boy Scout leader named Jack Wayne Rogers [ __ ] so
they arrested him on assault charges because he apparently attempted to
remove a trans woman's genitals in like a homemade surgery in a hotel room in
Ohio Jesus yeah I just I just have a bunch of swear words to say to things
you're saying to me because that is that's okay continue I mean by by all accounts it
was like consensual to the extent somebody can consent to be practiced
medicine on illegally so so they arrest this guy they arrested
him for practicing medicine without a license and for assault that's the that's they arrested him for so they
arrested him and they start digging into his personal effects and they find a bunch of horrible stuff uh
specifically material that I would classify as underage sexual content let's put it that
way they also find that he was active on
wild kind of early internet BDSM forums and message boards where he would
describe torturing and assaulting men one of these posts was a firsthand
account of picking up a male hitchhiker specifically a blonde one raping torturing and murdering him like
described in detail and police read read all this knowing
about Branson's case was like this sounds like Branson like this L just sounds like his situation why he was
hitchhiking who know again who knows with small town stuff right but
regardless they thought that this was incredibly suspicious and they started inquiring as to a confession hey what's
going on do do you know this granon guy and this guy claimed up and down that he had no idea who this granon guy was he
said he was just making [ __ ] up and we don't know what's true and what's not
there what they did find was that they searched home and they positively they
they identified a necklace that Branson also owned but a lot of people could have
owned it and so you couldn't like conclusively say one way or another it was his or wasn't his and so so in 2004
uh this guy Rogers was sentenced to 17 years for the assault charges seven years for practicing medicine without a
license and 30 years for the sexual content that he had on his on his computer and up until the very end he
denied having any involvement in Branson's disappearance and what's it's worth noting that Branson's mom also
says I believe him I don't think he was involved they apparently had some level
of communication with each other by this point Branson's um uh dad Bob is dead
and the family is kind of still trying to sort out what's going on with him it would be another 5 years later in 2009
when police dug up a farm in a town called equipment Missouri because they received some sort of credible um tip
that his remains would be there they dug up apparently a 20 foot by 20 foot by 23 foot deep um trench to try and find any
sort of human remains and they couldn't so as of right now the case is still
open and unresolved as a missing person's case but he's just missing he just like walked out the door never came
back yeah what's interesting though is that his family so his dad Bob died in 2004 his mom died in 2009 I think um
when his mom died they said that she was pred deceased by Branson so the family has already concluded that he's dead and
by all accounts he has to be dead um and so but part one of the things that also
happened on this one of the things that also touched on this is the second story
so pretty soon after Branson went missing and again this was ongoing as a
missing person's case like they were up until 2009 actively digging trenches to find this kid's
body something else happened as Skidmore there was even bigger news than this
so the Second Story which is absolutely
insane is that three years after Branson went missing his first cousin from his mom's
side Bobby Joe stanet also had a crazy event happen to
and that's where all the attention kind of shifted over to so this is Branson's
first cousin from his mom's side and this is three years after heing so her name is Bobby Joe CET she was living in
Skidmore with her husband a guy named Zeb they ran a business of breeding pedigree Rat Terriers out of their house
and they were heavily involved in dog shows and dog related events around the
area have you seen Best in Show yeah oh my God so good it just
feels like a small town hobby right like you never see like Chicago
socialites well I don't know I feel like the Westminster dog show people are very Posh aren't they I mean I've seen the
audience like I don't know if I call them I mean well maybe not the audience but like the people who are on it who
doing sure sure yeah they're all whatever that woman's name is um from
best show yeah oh my God Kevin's mom alone so that's what they did they were
living in Skidmore they were involved in the dog show and in 2004 Bobby met a woman named Lisa Marie Montgomery by
virtue of her interests in dogs and you know all that stuff so Lisa is a unique
character unto herself so she's not at all a well-adjusted adult she was basically abused in every
way a child could be abused it is incredible like the things that she
endured to the point where obviously there was a stepfather involved there was sexual abuse involved and when her
mother discovered I think she was 14 years old when her mother discovered that this abuse was going on the mother
threatened her with a gun saying not to tell anybody else about this oh no no yeah yeah she's she was I mean yeah to
stay on on Branch she was definitely just doomed to fail from the beginning like just AB Absolut horrible hand at
Birth so she ended up having four kids and then later on having her tubes
tied that's good yeah she had um four kids I couldn't figure out if the four
kids were all by the same person but I know she was married three times so going that's a little bit like just
the background of like who this person is that Bobby made friends with over the the dog scene going back to Lisa and
Bobby's Dynamic again they bonded over their mutual love of dogs they also were
both pregnant and so they bonded over that and this was an internet friendship they had never actually met before so on
December 16th 2004 a woman named Darlene fiser expressed interest in buying Rat
Terriers from Bobby so she invited her over to her home but what Bobby didn't
realize was that this wasn't actually Darlene fiser this was her internet
correspondence friend Lisa Montgomery ah so when Bobby had her back
turned Lisa apparently strangled her to death and then used a kitchen knife to
cut out her eight-month-old baby no no no no no do you remember this
case I do I feel like we had brought this up in that in that episode H Jesus
Christ so here's the thing about least she was actually never pregnant right
I'm sure yeah so she was faking it not but it's interesting because she wasn't just faking it to Bobby she was faking
it to everyone including her own husband so almost immediately after she killed
Bobby and cut out her baby she called her husband and told them that she was
riding a bus and she gave birth on the bus and she had a baby right there
so police were super quick to jump into computer forensics an hour after this
happened her um her mom found her on on the ground with her they said that she
said that it looked like her stomach exploded and she found her on the ground just obviously dead and so immediately
police jumped into action um and they I mean the what you have to be thinking to
do that is crazy you have to be crazy well we're gonna get into that actually
to be able to physically do that is just like beyond anything I can think
of you know there's there's going to be like a list exp lisal version of an
explanation here um mentally what was probably going on when this happened
with Lisa so police jumped on the forensics Trail the computer forensics of this
pretty quickly and Trac the online Communications from Lisa Darlene back to
Lisa's house tracing the IP address when they arrived uh this was the next next
morning so when they arrived the next morning nobody was home but they noticed that a car matched the description that
um a witness offered the time of the crime was parked in front of Lisa's
house at that time Lisa and her family including Bobby's daughter were at breakfast and they arrived home later on
that afternoon and then police paid them a visit initially Lisa was being interview by police and said it was her
baby so and so B it was obvious that she was was like not in a good place
emotionally and mentally and so she cracked after about an hour and confessed that she she took the baby um
she holding the baby yeah yeah when they showed up she was holding the baby watching TV did she look like
her the baby like yeah like like it was the right like I mean I saw pictures oh
race wise yes this the right baby I'm it wasn't like I'm holding this baby is
clearly not mine like yeah like Lisa's White and the baby's black yeah that
would have been very obvious but no that wasn't the case um so police immediately took the baby into custody and handed it
over to Zeb apparently the baby's was in good health still in good health living
in Skidmore um and I can't even imagine what that life must look like but going
into what might have been some of the motivations around why Lisa did this so apparently at the time this happened
Lisa and her husband were going through a hard patch and Lisa had told him that she was pregnant despite having her
tubes tied apparently she'd done this before too like this has been like I counted three times that she had told
people that she was pregnant in the preceding years even after she had her tubes diad but she apparently told her
told her husband this and it seemed like she did that in an effort to kind of save the relationship it was speculated that her
husband knew or assumed that she was lying about this and Lisa go ahead sorry
no like did she was she wearing like a belly so I couldn't get information on
okay so not to sound rude about this but she was a bigger woman and she sure I think it's easier to
hide yeah that's fair that's fair um I I uh I'm always skeptical of people who
were like I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant I'm like I don't believe you because it's crazy being pregnant but also like I know that I should believe them and
that happens so in that vein I I believe that you could people
wouldn't necessarily know that you were pregnant well yeah they could think you were pregnant they could think you're so
I'm I'm going to get into a piece of this as well because like that's actually like a physiological thing that was going on there which well we'll go
into here in a sec but um the Assumption was that Lisa thought that what her
husband was going to do as part of their separation was let them know that or let let the
courts know that she was faking a pregnancy in an effort to show that she was nuts and shouldn't have her own kids
and try to get custody of the kids and so basically the motivation that was
piec together through investigations was that she did all of this to prove that
she wasn't lying about being pregnant so she could keep her marriage and keep her [Music]
kids so um what ended up happening was that Lisa was charged under a federal
law of kidnapping resulting in death and this is going to take us in a whole
different direction which I'll get to here in a second because it's a very interesting charge the medical diagnosis for Lisa
that they drew up in the middle of this prosecution included depression borderline personality disorder
post-traumatic stress disorder she had a bunch of head injuries consistent with
brain damage and she also had a condition called I'm try and pronounce this right
pseudois which is a real thing it's a false pregnancy so there are situations
where you can manifest like your body can manifest all the symptoms of
pregnancy with your hormone levels with morning s like all the stereotypical
things that happen with a pregnancy your body can literally manifest the hormones that make you think that way this is
interesting because here in the US this is like exceptionally rare these days because we have such great access to you
know Medical Care and sonar what what you know what Sonic graphs you know this stuff I mean we do and we don't but
continue I mean it is if somebody says they're pregnant I mean like they they exist
yes but I I also just want to acknowledge that there's a lot of weird [ __ ] going on with being pregnant like Donald Trump said this week that like
States should be able to monitor women's pregnancies to we're not let's not go
down Road I know but I'm not gonna say I'm great at Healthcare just keep going it's not about being great at Healthcare
it's like from a technological perspective we're not like India or like you know those places
where somebody can literally fake take a baby to ter without anybody saying that
you don't have a baby inside you that's what I'm getting at oh right right so so you can have
this this like this seas that you think that you're pregnant but you don't know
that you're not pregnant right and everybody would think you were pregnant because you have all the symptoms being pregnant so no one
would expect you not to end up with a baby eventually yeah this isn't a thing in the US is what I'm getting at like
there's very few documented cases of this actually being a situation where somebody fake carries a baby a
non-existent baby a term under pseudo sosis in the US where it is prevalent is
that literally do not have the technological advances to look into someone's womb and see if there's a baby there that's the
point so ultimately she was found guilty and sentenced to death um her appeal
process was pretty interesting because kind of like what you're sort of touching on here it was kind of an
abortion topic so it touches on what is a person like absolutely when does
personhood start because she was convicted the charge was kidnapping resulting in death and a
kidnapping is an abduction by forc deceit or duress of a person and our point was this wasn't a person it was a
fetus and therefore it should have been a death resulting in kidnapping which
would be which would vacate that conviction and start the process from scratch in the hopes of potentially
getting a new trial and not having this be a um a death penalty death penalty
case so it was all based on the legal term of personhood and when something a
fetus is considered a person which is like a I started Rec like I crazy like
that it dovetailed into that direction well also like this we we talked about
Scott Peterson for a second last week but that was in that direction as well too because Connor was baby right wasn't
that a same how yeah but that how was that one was he he
was he wasn't born yet no I know was it like a first trimester thing or no it
was much later really okay yeah yeah yeah much much much later oh that's right because he because he did get
convicted of two murderers that's what it oh you know what and shenan Watts yeah it was it was yeah it was that was
that it was called something different it was like um unlawful death of a fetus or something I think that baby was
pretty um whatever term low term I guess but it's interesting because so anyways that
conviction stood they were basically hey we don't care this argument this is really stupid like she did the thing she's gonna be let's fry her basically
yeah so it also dovetailed into the 2020 election with
Trump and Biden because Trump was obviously like he was
he was notoriously Pro death penalty and Biden
was and is notoriously anti-de penalty to the point where like as of now at the
federal level there's a full moratorium on the death penalty that Biden passed
yeah and Biden was inaugurated on January 20th
2021 her appeals exhausted on January 12th 2021
so apparently Lisa and her Jael cell had a calendar with Biden's inauguration
date like circled and like checked off because she was like just push this
thing to get through January 20th because she assumed correctly so that if
she made it through the 20th then she would be able to hit the assumed Federal
moratorium that Biden was assumed to pass once he went into office and her were in the first case that would have
showed come across his desk again this was a federal crime so this is not up to the Governors or anything this is up to
the president to decide whether to grant clemency or not is it a federal crime because it's kidnapping I you know what actually
shame on me I don't know exactly why it was a federal crime got it I don't know I I don't think she crossed state
lines maybe kidnapping is a federal crime I don't know yeah oh if you cross
cross county borders it's it's a f it becomes a federal crime so maybe she did that maybe that even if even if she didn't
leave the state yeah yeah maybe that maybe that I should have looked that up um so again January 20th is a date her
last appeal was exhausted on the 12th it was that day that she was transferred to the death
chamber so she was executed officially on the 13th so it was 1:31 a.m. that she
was killed if she had made it one week she'd still be alive which I don't actually know how I feel about it
because I feel like she's like a horrible person I mean obious I don't either a lot of like like I'm not this is not something that like it's funny
because like I've read so many of these cases where like yeah like if you were going to find
like the poster child for why you should or shouldn't be doing something there's a great one for that
somewhere in any situation in her case it's like what a
[ __ ] monster totally 100% And then like you brought up absolutely and you brought up
Trump like remember when Trump Shu that two-page ad in the New York Times to bring up back the death death penalty for the Central Park 5 and they were in
yeah you know like that's why that's why we don't like it because people are innocent it's not that's why that's why
I mentioned that he was like notoriously Pro death p is lit I just I was thinking back to that situation is that that's
even the worst one the worst one is that that 14-year-old um black kid who was accused
of killing an 11-year-old white girl and they had to put like Bibles underneath him so they could electrocute like cuz
he's so small horrible things horrible horrible things I mean there's a lot of
here's the thing like on the death penalty stuff like there's a lot of reasons why we shouldn't do it there's a
lot of reasons why we probably should do it but there's a better poster child for
why we shouldn't to it than this woman op I see yeah I agree I'm actually G to talk about the death penalty I talk
about mine later oh cool so she yeah like she ended up getting executed that night on the 13 she was pronounced said
at 131 um and she became the first female federal prisoner to be executed
in the United States in 67 years she joined uh the last one was there was two
that were done on in 1953 guess who one of those was the E
Rosenberg there you go yeah wow so takes a lot to like to a that one
53 years later that's a big deal that's a lot it takes a lot I mean yeah like I said she definitely earned it what
happened to what happened to the baby so her name is Victoria Joe stanet um she
is still living with Zeb she's 16 I think 16 17 I think I read and she's
living in Skidmore and apparently the people of that City are incredibly protective of her like as a community um
yeah they're protective a bunch yeah yeah yeah poor Ken poor Ken
learned that because remember with Ken he was trying to bully some like 70-year-old rer
like no we can't do this um but yeah but it's so wild because
like again Bobby Joe Bobby Joe cette her cousin goes missing yeah well also like
I mean I feel like that's crazy but also like well I think the crazy thing is that it's happening in the small town you know what I mean like the fact that
they're cousins I don't think is weird because there not that many people there so like of course if something bad happens and we with one person they're
going to be like they're going to know each other in some way but I but I think it's crazy that like all these crazy things are happening there yeah because
I mean this case the one the Bobby Joe one the baby one I
mean you don't hear about this kind of like this is that's what I'm saying it's so grotesque you imagine somebody
cutting a baby I like it's so I mean just okay also like it is really hard to
get to a baby like I had both of my babies I did not need a C-section but
when you go to the classes and they tell you what a C-section is you're like oh right that's like major surgery and
terrifying so like you got to cut through muscle don't you yeah like your skin and your muscle and then like find
the womb and then get the baby out and then do all this sewing like it's a big deal so like you can't just like do a
slice and the baby pops out you have to like find it just awful you know like she just like dig around in there to get
to the baby God yeah yeah moner did you ever
watch The Walking Dead no there's one where they cut cut a baby out of a lady
she's like am I gonna die or the baby's gonna die we're both gonna die like you have to get the baby out and so I was like thinking in my head that the person
would like nicely slice her belly and she just like stabed her in the belly and got the baby out and I was like
that's probably what happened so gross I don't I don't so I'm actually I don't
get it it it's interestingly the case for like what is a
person like right now is that kind of what is is is that the legal definition on which
states are deciding when to ban abortions is like what is considered personhood and then every State's kind
of deciding it on their own what what it is yeah yeah weird wild um we'll see we'll
see how this year plays out we will um but that was my story and um and
yeah I know I kind of went backwards a little bit to episode 19 but man I here's I found I found her story then I
found Ranson and then I saw the name Skidmore was like that's weird that sounds
familiar and and I went researched that I was like oh right Ken like what is up
with this town because I remember back when we did it the last time we looked up how much a house on Zillow cost there
and it was like $37,000 and there's like well there was only like one yeah yeah there was only
one there and there was only like like comedian swore in town that was also like the hangout spot like yeah so
anyway it just Peak my interest but but I would have covered this anyways if it was just This Woman's case because this
one's big enough to like deserve its own one but it also just JS all nicely into other things we talked about so man I
mean just like we had to ruined so many lives like it's just like unbelievable
you know like um Lisa's kids you know her family like
their life is probably in shambles you know mention yeah it makes me makes me
think on how abuse is such a cycle like if you that was the only part of this
case where I had any sympathy for her was like hearing how badly she was abused and who who knows what that
rewires in in your brain and the head injury is as well but and the head injuries but it it gets to a spot where
it's also like look like what you did was um we don't need to try and
understand it yeah like like there there's a part of me it's like it's like hey I I can't empathize with her but
it's also like who am I to say that anybody who lived that exact same life
parallel life as she did would not have done that but also
we don't need that in society man that's
terrible so um but yeah that's my story um curious what was your uh what's your
um is it a letter that you need to bring up or what what were you what did you mention earlier that you have to read
something um oh no I have I have a couple things um one as we have a
listener note from Juan Carlos my
husband I know you saw it on slack but I did I did listen to our your episode
from last week um and when I was like I don't know my Sheriff's mad about something about death row and you're like yeah death row inmates have jobs
now and then Juan was like that's exactly what he's mad about like we were like maybe but he's like it's exactly
that so we should have I think that's exactly what he's mad about I mean I
yeah I I would not be happy about it yeah that my to recap my Sheriff sent an
email about death row prisoners escaping and I was like what is this about and then you said immediately after that
that there was a a new thing where death row inmates are getting jobs in California so yeah one one message us
and was like are y'all dense like yall like obviously he's like what is wrong with
you this is exactly what we just talked about it was very funny so if anyone
else was mad at us that that is um we get it we get it now yep yep not a good
idea not a good idea um and then another thing is I made a listener survey last
night so I will put it it's in our link tree and I will put it in our email blast and I will put it on social media
but we'd love to hear from you all who you are um who listens and if you you
know are our friends in real life how you found us if um you know what keeps
you listening and because we need to get more listeners and I want to figure out who you are to be able to reach more
people like you so love that I'll share that out there I also want to do more
stuff that's like engaging with folks that are listening you know people who send in
their suggestions or what they think of something it's always incredible to read that and it also gets the juices going I
mean y'all yall hear when we talk about when we come with topics a lot of times we just start researching things and
going down rabbit holes and this thing led to that thing and that thing led to this thing and and boom like you know we
we make an episode out of it and so when folks have great topics that aren't super well
covered um they're great they're fantastic so we'd love to hear those suggestions all the
time for sure so sweet I guess with that Taylor we'll go ahead and cut things off
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