Andrew Jackson - orphaned by age 14, really became President of the United States and spent his time promoting slavery, denying Federal Aid to states, and pushing Native Americans west during the "Trail of Tears." Described as both a true White Supremacist and the first Pro-Slavery President - "King Andrew" is first on our casual list of Bad US Presidents. Could you imagine if that man had Twitter?
Andrew Jackson - orphaned by age 14, really became President of the United States and spent his time promoting slavery, denying Federal Aid to states, and pushing Native Americans west during the "Trail of Tears." Described as both a true White Supremacist and the first Pro-Slavery President - "King Andrew" is first on our casual list of Bad US Presidents. Could you imagine if that man had Twitter?
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https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/bradley-cooper98/episodes/Andrew-Jackson-er8mvj
https://www.heraldandtribune.com/news/local/andrew-jackson-meets-the-bell-witch/article_d382f08a-6f83-11ee-b19a-87815f024f83.html
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I I lost your face I um was going to well started reading a
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yeah I'm not going to be an [ __ ] and not um and not do that so um you don't
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the meantime um I have a casual Series
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won't I don't know but I'm going to do a series on bad presidents and guess who
I'm going to start with can me tell you he's an early one uh Garfield no he's number
seven it's Andrew Jackson okay yeah yeah so let's talk about this
[ __ ] Andrew Jackson he's a yman so the what he's a
yman a what is he y isn't he like a
farmer uh no oh okay I'm thinking about the wrong one uh no he was a plantation
owner so like he didn't do any farming he wasn't he wasn't Lincoln's V he was he no this is way before Lincoln's like
17 he's seven got it okay Carry On so so
there's a lot of so many podcasts on Andrew Jackson but I listened to two like random ones that I found one called [ __ ] court and one called ranking the
US presidents and the um facts are different kind of in both like it's kind
of like some of them are they tell kind of different stories um but one thing that they did in each of them that like
pulled out and kind of really talked about what what an [ __ ] Andrew Jackson is um [ __ ] Court they
literally looked at the dictionary definition of a white supremacist and you could like put a picture of Andrew
Jackson next to it what is the definition I will tell you I have it right now it is the belief that white
people constitute a superior race and should therefore dominate Society typically to the exclusion or detriment
of other racial and ethnic groups so that's Andrew Jackson in a
nutshell and then also the other one ranking the presidents called him the first really pro slavery
president that sound good not good the these are those things are good that's a little bit of context um another thing
is when we first started doing this podcast and we were like focusing on relationships that were doomed to fail I
definitely um was looking up things that were like
what are some famous historical relationships that were doomed and Andrew Jackson and his wife Rachel are always on that list and um I was just
like I don't really want him to be lucky in love so me you know um so I'll tell
you a little bit about what that looks like in a little bit um so Anna Jackson the seventh president of the United
States was born on March 15 1767 he was born in the United States
but his parents were Irish immigrants and he had two older brothers that were born in Ireland and then came to
America his parents's his parents names Andrew Jackson and Elizabeth Hutchinson
his mom like really hated the British like hated them so she really wanted her
sons to be like Patriots and like in the Revolutionary War um his dad died in a
logging accident at the age of 29 3 weeks before Andrew Jackson was born and
he never met him do you know what other presidents dad died before they were
born Obamas Bill Clinton oh really wow yeah Bill Clinton's last name Clinton is
the name of his mom's like remarriage but Bill Clinton's dad Jefferson ble died in a car accident three months
before bill was born wait so his name was supposed to be bill blle
yeah doesn't have the same ring to it it's weird I know isn't that wild it just like Clinton just feels like the
thing um so Jackson had two older brothers they
Hugh and Robert and the two older brothers went off to the revolution AR War during the war Hugh dies of heat
exhaustion which like sounds terrible um and so Elizabeth sent Andrew so now all
of her sons are in in the war in April 1781 Andrew is just 14 and him and
his brother get captured by the British so he's like really young when he's going through this like he's like in the war and there's a story where a British
soldier tries to make Andrew polish his boots and he says no so he slashes him
with like a sword or knife or something and Andrew Jackson will have a scar on his side forever from that encounter how
is it that British the British are like the villain in everything this is why
this is 100% why so bad yeah so I mean like they're
the villain because of the Revolutionary War that's why we make them the villain and everything they were horrible to
everybody that were horrible to India they were horrible to like I mean that's true I mean yeah deserved yeah you're
absolutely right yeah they did help us out with the whole Hitler thing so I guess they get some
ways yes I feel like later we get into that when they're like and that's when their empire also dissolves
so you know it happens so
um while he's captured you know he's obviously things aren't great he gets small pox it's like they like lose a
bunch of weight him and his brother are both really really sick his mother negotiates to get the back in like a prisoner exchange and they have to walk
home and it's like 40 mil and terrible and by the time they get home his brother got home like just in time to
die there so Andrew uh Andrew's brother dies at home and his mom was so sad but she like liked nursing this the kids so
she decided to become a nurse in a chalera hospital and of course she gets colera and dies like right
away so Andrew Jackson is an orphan at around 14 years old so that sucks it's a
pretty rough child Ood you've already like been to war and back and your whole family died at 14 at 14 so this is also
the time when like you a 14-year-old is like can be on their own you know like I don't really know like what did I don't
think I don't think that's I know that that's a custom but I don't think that's good no no no I don't think so either
like what are you supposed to do so during his life he's going to be described as like very violent he takes
things really personally he's very religious in like a way that he's like Manifest Destiny God made this space for
white people like that's sort of his Vibe but he after he's 14 he like
becomes like yada y y he becomes a lawyer so it's one of those things like you don't have to go to law school you just have to like study under someone or
whatever so he's a a a a a lawyer and he starts to do kind of some like
interesting interesting like anecdotes from his from his young life um he is in
several duel his first duel is with a man named wa weit still Avery and they
both end up shooting up into the air so like dels are still a thing but they're like a legal in some places and like legal in others and like it's a whole
thing but he does get in his first duel during this time also as soon as he gets
a little bit of money guess what he buys a slave indeed he does the first
thing he does when he gets a little bit of money is he buys a person it's a woman who's about his age and um
some of the things I listen to you know there's there's the like you're a person of your times which like I hear that argument but also I counter with the
argument that of the founding fathers Ben Franklin John Adams Alexander Hamilton John Jay Thomas Payne and
Governor Morris were all outspoken abolitionists so it's not like everyone was doing it not everyone doing it I was
thinking about how um how dealing with people in the nuances and complexities
of like what they think about and feeling all that stuff is like the worst part of
like just any kind of dynamic I'm in like the thought of buying a person
never mind the moral objections to it it just sounds like a [ __ ] pain in the ass just like having another person to
deal with it's like oh God now I got to deal with this thing over here like it's just like yeah that's so funny you're so
funny um so so he is like you know and
even like I also said for like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson you know they owned slaves they were not nice to
their enslaved people um and but they wrote about how it should end they wrote
about it being like a bad practice but they still didn't stop it because they were like yeah but then I wouldn't make any money you know that makes sense so
so they had that and then but you know whatever Andrew Jackson was like super excited to be able to start enslaving
people he becomes a judge um and he's living at this house of a of an older
Widow which also I think is wild because like you're like renting a room but you have an enslaved person like do they live where do where do they live that's
why I don't get that's what that's why I don't understand about the whole like you have a person like I don't do you
take them with you to like the store like you like I think yes it's like it's
really bad it's really strange yeah it's really strange and so I think that
um yeah there's another story that I didn't put in my outline but like where like when he was president had an
enslaved person just like sleep next to his bed on the floor in case he needed anything in the middle of the night like wild again that's harder than not having
him there yeah so he's but he's living at this
house and he meets the daughter of the Widow her name is Rachel Rachel is married to someone else and her husband
is like a four out of 10 he's like not a great guy and um eventually they do get
separated and they get divorced but before they're divorced Rachel and Andrew Jackson are essentially living
together so like they fall in love they're living together so she gets accused of bigamy because she's like
obviously living with someone else while she's married to someone else and and it's like pretty scandalous and it will
always be kind of something that like hangs over him as like a scandal but he marries Rachel they buy a
plantation and um they start to like live their life they're never going to have any kids but they you know start
their life together they start like enslaving more people eventually he will own about 150 enslaved people um on his
plantations so now Andrew Jackson is getting into politics and this is like this could be
a thousand different episodes but I'm just going to like Zoom us through it but he loves states rights he doesn't
want any federal power that's like his like big thing he's part of the democratic Republican party which like I
do not understand this is when people are like I'm a Jeffersonian Democrat or I'm a wig or I'm a blah blah blah and
it's like a little bit confusing like what exactly that means or how we could translate it to
today but he definitely like hates a National Bank he wants everything to be like State Side um he goes to Congress
for a little bit but only for like half a term and then he goes back to um
becoming a judge he gets in another duel with the Tennessee governor John sver because sver had um insulted Rachel
she's like an easy target in this because they're like oh your wife was married to someone else when you met her you know all right so this is this
is gonna come up again and again so he is living in Tennessee they have Mak fun
of the husband who got his wife stolen no because you always it's always the woman's
fault huh um so he's living he's living in in
Tennessee and he you know it's also like a thing to note he's like not a he's
like not a kind enslaver he at one point some one person runs away and he offers
$10 per 100 lashes up to 300 that anyone's willing to give him which
essentially would kill would have killed that person so basically is like I'll give someone $30 to kill this enslave
person who ran away from me so that's $3,000 $300 $10 per lash for 300 lashes
no no no per 100 lashes $10 oh God okay yeah so
um something happens in 1805 where it's a kind of a complicated
story that has to do with like betting on horses but this feels like a very like kind of silly gentlemanly back and
forth between him and this man named Charles Dickinson so they're like mad at each other because of money and because
of like horse racing and like something and they're just like sending insults to each other like Dickinson writes in the
paper that Andrew Jackson is quote a worthless scoundrel a ptron and a coward
and I looked up ptron and it just means coward so you just said cover twice but he's like they're like spewing insults
back and forth they're mad about money they're mad about a thing the story is like long and dumb but in the end um
Andrew Jackson blames Charles Dickinson for talking [ __ ] about Rachel Dickinson
says if he did talk [ __ ] about her he was drunk and he apologized but then someone else like got like meddled in
and there was like a pain involved everybody's fighting so these guys decide to duel again so this is like at least his third duel if not more than
that and dueling was illegal in Tennessee where Andrew Jackson lived so they went to Kentucky on May 30th
1806 and something else happened where there was like a toin a coin toss and they said fire quicker than they were
supposed to but Dickinson shoots and he hits Andrew Jackson in the chest and the
bullet lands in his heart and it will be there forever he doesn't die but he will always have a bullet in his
heart I um if I was born at this time I somebody should have just [ __ ] thrown
me off a cliff like I never would have survived this guy has been the war his face slashed by he's 14 he's shooting
guns at each other like just it's just like crazy they're crazy people it's so dangerous to be alive yeah and this is
like it's like instead of just like yelling at someone you're like okay now we're gonna duel I'm gonna shoot you
bananas I mean in hindsight if you think like the guy owns slaves and is hitting them it's like he's letting people shoot
guns at himself so like that's how much regard ass for own life for somebody else's exactly exactly
um so he um so something happens and they say
like we're going to shoot um at the same time and so Jackson gets shot and then the rules are if you shoot someone you
have to stand still and let them have a chance to shoot you which also was like a rule I would not not abide by I would
run away so the uh Jackson shoots Dickinson and kills him so he does kill
his like potentially first person he ever killed in a duel um in in 1806
and like some people are like that is dumb and it kind of like tarnishes his
reputation but not enough that he's not like going to be president you know what I mean um he also during this time
becomes friends with Aaron Burr who obviously also famously was in a duel and Aaron bur like comes over and they
try to invade Florida together in in a way that is like a shenanigans that we could talk about later but basically
also during this time the Spanish owned Florida and that's going to be a big part of it as well he sounds like every
like very confident drunk Frack guy I knew in the college yeah absolutely
yeah like um so now and of Jackson was in the
military he's going to get called back into the military it's a war of 1812 there's a lot of like little Wars and we
should talk about the War of 1812 and like a whole thing Washington DC burns down Dolly Madison saves that famous
portrait of of George Washington from the White House and um long story short
there are a couple little tiny Wars inside of the War of 1812 there's one called the creek War um where Andre
Jackson will get shot again in the shoulder not in the battle but because of like a dispute over honor but he will
survive that one as well but like we being shot too much sir
um so during the creek War some native tribes were aligning with the British because they were like trying to stop
the United States from like taking all of their land and they wanted to be recognized as like Sovereign Nations within like the land the United States
was trying to take over um One Tribe that he had a skirmish with was the red sticks he essentially was like a
scorched Earth policy he killed all of them women children everyone like his troops went in and like destroyed the
red sticks because they were aligning with the British he also brings troops down to New Orleans and um you'll
remember that the the Creole people are there um and they're a French from
Canada and he institutes martial law immediately in
New Orleans and like kind of takes over and he kicks all the French people out
and like takes control of New Orleans and he gets criticized for having martial law a little bit like too
heavy-handed you know like creating all these little bands of people and like doing all this stuff I mean I will say
so far nothing about what you've said it all lines yeah yeah all his behavior and the
things that he's done it's like oh yeah that's what that person would do yep exactly exactly um so he um so he does
at this point create a little army of like volunteers and he paid everyone the same based no matter what race they were
which is great um very nice um but he then another little War during this
time is a seminal War um he really hates Native Americans and he
really wants them to move west he creates a bunch of treaties um that are all kind of [ __ ] so like the whole
history of this is like treaties that like we were never going to abide by you know they were always going to push
people West real quick do you know what other person you dislike also did
that who so Henry Ford one of the ways
that he became like famous for workers rights was because he would pay he up
the price per day of a worker to $5 and everybody regardless of race made $5 and
that was like the first time that ever happened I L to a podcast about that and I was like huh weird interesting and I
feel like maybe it's just like yeah I wonder I wonder what that's
about you know just like I need workers and whatever you know um yeah I forgot what it was it was
oh it was um oh God that famous boxer was trying to buy like a Ford factory in or a Ford
whatever does I'm derailing go ahead keep going no no no but I understand so okay in the middle of this
um oh so he does also get investigated by Congress in 1819 because he
essentially on his own went into Florida and fought the Spanish and they were like you're not supposed to do that you're supposed to like wait for
Congress to declare war um but they let him off but he was like so people in in DC like knew him kind of
yeah yeah so oh my God the mid Journey pictures that I made of Andrew Jackson are unhinged he's like wild on a horse
like I can't wait to show you it's crazy um in the middle of this do you remember this that he meets a ghost the Bell
Witch no so last podcast on the left did episod I know I never listened to the Bell Witch one so it's like it's silly
you know it's like a house that like a family had like a woman was there and at one point Andrew Jackson comes and Henry
goes the ghost looks at Andrew Jackson and says first of all [ __ ] you which I thought was really funny um but there's
this I read this hilarious definitely not true encounter that like made the ghost a lot more palpable it was like
knocking and like whatever um but in the story that I read they said that Andrew Jackson was like going towards the house
to like see if he could help and then the carriage he was in just like totally stopped and then they got out of the carriage and Andrew Jackson was like
what were we talking about when the carriage stopped and they were like we're talking about the witch so he he
was like did she hear us and then from the um bushes they heard someone say right you are General now I'll let I'll
let the wagon move on Farwell I'll see you tonight so like the witch said that from like the bushes and they went to
the house and then when they got there he kind of got in a gunfight with the witch and he was like I'm gonna shoot you which is like I don't think you can
shoot a ghost again it this all sounds like it aligns with the kind of behavior you've
described so far he sounds like a crazy person he's a crazy person like you can't shoot a ghost sir 14-year-old
orphan like this is what turn this is what happens
so um that's hilarious and like whatever like that but he was definitely there
whatever whatever happened whether or not he tried to shoot the ghosts don't do that I recommend not shooting ghosts
um so now he becomes governor of Florida and he wants to run for president of
course um he the the presidency was um
there were like several people running for presid president in this in this year that he ran the first time and it ended up no one got all the electoral
votes and it went to Congress and ends up with John Quincy Adams becoming president so he goes back to Florida
he's there for a little bit um and then he runs for president again so when he runs for president again it's like very
very stressful for Rachel they break up the affair and all the stuff all the time they also um have like these things
called the coffin hand bills which are like flyers that say Andrew Jackson is a murderer like he's murdered this many
people during all these things and like literally pictures of Coffins on them being like he's crazy like let's not let
him be president um but he does win and right after he he wins Rachel dies she
gets really sick um and from the stress and she dies so that some sounds like good ridd uh I mean he loved her it's
just that like it was always hanging over his head no yeah you know um so she
dies and he's going to be sad about that forever um Andrew Jackson also is going to win two terms the next two termer
will be a blinkin so between seven and 17 everyone will only have one term if that makes sense or 16th whatever so a
couple things that he did before we get to the big thing and there's so many things that we could like um go into
like individually on here um but uh let's do a couple things so he um Andrew
Jackson is again like a states rights guy he used the veto more times than anyone had done before in all of history
combined and the things that he vetoed were like state things were like Indiana needed roads and Marilyn needed an a
bridge and he was like no no no why did he want to be president when he didn't believe in the rights of the federal
government it's a good question I have no idea you're State Governor of Florida that's like the perfect spot to be
exactly exactly he hates the National Bank so Hamilton had like made a national bank and like this is when it
came up for like re like certification or whatever and he vetoed that as well
there going to be a lot like a little bit of like a a panic in like 1837 so like a the economy is not going to do
not going to do well um there's an affair that it's not an affair but it's called the eaten Affair where the
Secretary of War's wife Margaret was being accused of being like promiscuous and that reminded him of all the
accusations against Rachel so he um defended her and fired members of the
cabinet who were like making fun of this woman and one person that kind of stepped up and took his side was Martin
Van Beren and he will become the vice president and then become president so that's kind of his path was like while
Andrew Jackson was busy being like in sense that This Woman's honor was being questioned Martin v b was like yeah sir
this is totally normal and like literally literally how we're goingon to get our next vice president yeah exactly
oh all those scandals are totally normal sir um so um he's a little bit of
International stuff he does try to get some of our um some of the money back from the ships that were lost in the
Napoleonic Wars so he tries to get money back from other countries he does pay off the national debt which is the only
time that's ever happened seriously yeah so did you did you hear how by 2030
I think it was the national debt of the United States will equate to every person and
child owing $1 million it's hilarious like what does that even mean what does that even mean
like this is dumb like sure I owe you a billion dollars I'll pay you later it's crazy you know whatever um so he also is
involved in in Texas you how the Texas becomes the Texas Republic the last day of Andrew Jackson's presidency he will
um recognize the Republic of Texas as a country um and as far as like as slavery
goes while he's president it's not like in any of his like bills or anything but he does like he at one point there's a
newspaper for abolitionists and he orders everyone who subscribes to it to have their name listed publicly which is
like dangerous and definitely a thre you know um and there's more things that
that he did So eventually um Andrew Jackson is going to get like attacked in his last um his his last term as
president by a man who who wants to kill him and his like he tries to shoot him twice and the gun doesn't work and Andre
Jackson's like trying to hit him with his Cane he's like old and like all these things are happening so like people like he's just like living in
this violent time um eventually Andrew Jackson obviously like does die of of
old age essentially um let me see he dies in
um he dies in um 1845 so he'll die later
but one thing that I wanted to make sure that we mentioned while we were here is the big thing that he did and do you
know what that is uh the big bad the big bad thing there's
so many bad things but the big bad thing oh God
no it's the Indian Removal Act aka the Trail of Tears oh that's a big one so I
feel like we learned about the Trail of Tears in um Elementary School you know
as a time when um the Native Americans were forced to move west
and it was that like wasn't 100% popular with um like everyone in Congress but
like the act very very narrowly um passed but it was Andrew Jackson he
wrote it this is what he wanted this is part of the like white people need to be in charge we need more land so we can
like have more plantations and like grow more [ __ ] so we wanted to move to move west the native Amer don't need more
land there's so much freaking land there's so much land um but the um so
they wanted to move West and in that there's all there's people living there obviously and so all these Native
American people are like this is our country like we we want to be be like a nation so they would try to negotiate
but really at the end they like didn't they were like um they were like we need to get these get these people out of the
East move them as far west as possible um so that we can um so that we can take over so in some places
like there were um you know obviously this is like the belief like the Europeans are like a a better a better
Nation one like wild quote from um Andrew Jackson is he says quote what
good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand Sav Savages to our extensive
Republic SED with cities towns and prosperous Farms embellished with all the improvements which art can devise or
industry execute occupied by more than 12 million happy people and filled all the blessings of liberty civilization
and religion end quote all chose when we went remote to move in the middle of nowhere so we be close nature and for
the we year we yearn for the forests I'm literally staring and a there there's not a single desktop backdrop that isn't
landscape of nature versus like a th% street signs everybody wanted that
Jackson now we're now we're stuck trying to get back to it um so he also used
like biblical narratives to be like you know we need to go we need to do this um
and also like trying to um you know if people didn't comply like they would
they would get killed um another thing that I didn't realize as much as like I um when you first hear it you know I
imagined so like some of the tribes like the Cherokee the Chaka um
and I always pictured when I was a kid like Native Americans dressed like
typical Native Americans like walking West you know um and then the Trail of Tears obviously is called that because
they had to like walk really far walk west people died of exposure starvation all the things it was terrible but
another thing that like I didn't realize is a lot of the people had already assimilated to Western culture so there were like Cherokee people who were
Christian who you know were going to like United States schools and like
assimilating and they made they they made them leave too so it wasn't like
a point number two never never buy into the
religion in the mandates of the oppressor yeah every person oh God sorry
I'm like having flashbacks right now growing up like had a lot of friends were like Indian like not Native American like from India
and they were like crazy di hard Christian they would like preach to me
and I was like dude you're from you're one generation
removed from like like gandes India like this is literally just British [ __ ]
mind [ __ ] happening in your like weird anyways no because I mean they
made them live anyway which is just like wild and like unbelievable so they were
just there's a lot of like treaties that were not not true you know and also like
some of the treaties they would make with like different parts of the tribes so they'd be like make a small Coalition
make a treaty and then be like oh this is now this is real when they'd be like not everybody agreed to that you know so
they're doing a lot of like nefarious things um some of the tribes obviously like did not want to go and so there was
like war and a lot of people died um a lot of the tribes would work with um
free or escaped enslaved people um but there's going to be a lot of Wars um and
uh thousands of people are going to die and move and be forced West and as we know there is no more West you can go
they're just forced you know to go into to reservations if if they are you know kept alive um and it definitely is one
of those things that like has a lot of um similarities to like you know Manifest Destiny laan's realm like where
the white people we should be able to to to move and like take over um and so that's really that's his like worst
thing and then when Andre Jackson stops being president I know Martin Van Bean makes sure that it's finished so he's really like making sure that they finish
the trail of tear finish getting people um out so that white people can continue to go and like
safely move move west here's my I don't know this I can't say this with any
Authority really but I will there does seem to be some Illusions to that to
like things like invading Iraq and like things like we deserve it kind of a Vibe
of um I don't know the Manifest thing doesn't feel
like it's totally gone no absolutely not I think I think you're absolutely right yeah which is so
silly cuz like I just I know everything we talk about I'm like why do people
keep hurting each other it's so dumb like we're just all people like we
could all be we could all have food and everything would be fine you know like it's not there's no reason to do this
but we keep doing it over and over again yeah silly which how old when he died um
he was old oh my God the pick the last portrait of him when he's old he looks terrible which is great um he
was 1845 1967 or 45 minus 17 67 78 pretty
old pretty old he never remarried yeah he lived a Crazy Life a crazy like
violent life um yeah that's why he's always
listed on these lists of like one of the craziest presidents all of
that um and it sounds like he was
um it sounds like he was uniquely violent and aggression I think so I definitely think
so and it was a time where like you were able to be a little bit violent because you were able to be like in all these big Wars you know and you were able to
um be in duels and not like go to jail forever which it feels like you should do if you
are like when your oppa research includes just like print material of
coffins yeah exactly he sounds like a [ __ ] crazy guy like yeah and like
that's the thing you're talking about hold on I'm bringing this Jackson had a reputation for being short-tempered and
violent which terrified his opponents yeah he did he did he sounds he sounds really aggressive he sounds like a very
mean mean man yeah absolutely um but also again putting
things in context like if you were orphaned at 14 yeah and you have to like f for yourself and like all these things like
he didn't he wasn't I mean it probably wasn't going to be like a happy guy but still it's like you watch like like
documentaries of like people in prison and it's like they'll kill somebody over like a piece of cornbread or something
and it's like yeah yeah CU like that's not normal social behavior but if you're put in that environment like I guess like that's how you adapt evolve yeah
it's not good I'm not saying I like it yeah his circumstances definitely led him in like a really
weird bad Direction he had a tendency to take things personally even if someone
crossed him he would often oh sorry if someone crossed him he would often become obsessed with crushing
them cool totally normal imagine if he had
Twitter all the crazy things he might have spewed out in all caps I think I think we're I think I we've already seen
that yeah imagine we've already seen that H um cool I likeing people about
Andre Jackson and then there's a couple other ones I mean no president is all good but
there's a couple that are particularly bad so I will pull from those from those
lists in the next couple months tell you I um it's interesting I was because you
know if you're keeping track of this election cycle um so much of it is revolving around the economy and how
people feel about the economy and I was I was listening to this one podcast with these um these two econ economic
journalists or economy journalists whatever and the way they're kind of articulating
he like it's like listen like a president can do some
things but it will not ever it will rarely ever be deterministic of how you
feel about the economy the way you feel about the economy is so subjective towards like your socioeconomic status
and the things that are impacting you directly and and I when you're talking about like
what's going on with like um uh good presidents and bad presidents it's like what even does that mean like what even
does like a good what does a good president do what does a bad president do and like now I think that we're thinking
about like the economy is like a good president man is a good economy how much control do you have over that yeah I
know you really don't like you really and it's not like you can turn it around or destroy it in like an hour you know
it takes like a long time it's not like a it's not like a one thing there definitely like presidents can make um
decisions that are like good or bad subjectively but like who knows like what does that mean for like everything
entire Point yeah yeah like our ridiculous national debt like who cares I mean as long as I'm not directly
responsible for it I mean we kind of are because we're going to pay taxes on it forever but like we're not going to pay it off it's
fair it's fair um well Taylor thank you for sharing um anything you want to
leave TI us or end us on no just thank you everyone for listening please tell
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thank you um cool we'll go ahead and cut that off
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