Hello! Happy Holidays! This week, we're casually releasing re-releases at random times! Join us for Episode 12, part 1 - where Farz tells the tragic story of Phil Hartman - who was murdered by his jealous wife (and she was jealous because she wanted to be famous and she wasn't). It's devastating - but a good reminder to check out some of his SNL skits! We 11/10 recommend Bill Clinton at Mcdonald's!
Hello! Happy Holidays! This week, we're casually releasing re-releases at random times! Join us for Episode 12, part 1 - where Farz tells the tragic story of Phil Hartman - who was murdered by his jealous wife (and she was jealous because she wanted to be famous and she wasn't). It's devastating - but a good reminder to check out some of his SNL skits! We 11/10 recommend Bill Clinton at Mcdonald's!
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
hi friends Taylor from doomed to fail it is a week between Christmas and New Year's so trying to do as little as
possible um but I do want to put some re-releases out for you so we're going to start with episode 12 part one the
sad sad story of our dear dear Phil Hartman gone way way too soon um if you
have any ideas or questions or things that we should do was kind of move into doing more disaster stories send us an
email jpod gmail.com thank you in a matter of the people of the State
of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my
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do for you ask what you can do for your country hi everyone welcome to Doom to
fail I'm fars Jo here [ __ ] it up again hi everyone no you didn't that's
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fars I'm joined here by Taylor Taylor how are you I'm good how are you I'm
tired I locked myself out of my house last night and I sat there for 2 hours in 40° weather waiting with like no
clothes on basically waiting for a locksmith which was awesome my dog looked at me she was like staring at me
like you realize this is stupid right like she literally giving me that eye she's real embarrassed I bet yeah I was
GNA ask about the weather it wasn't raining I don't know that was yeah at the very least it wasn't
raining so that's why did you had your phone I did have my phone phone if I didn't have my phone I don't
actually know what I would have what would you what do you do like I don't know my neighbor's house and hope they
don't call the police I don't know yeah I guess were you wearing shoes I don't
know yeah I was wearing shoes that's good at least yeah well I'm glad that you got in and don't do that
again yeah I'm gonna try my best Taylor did you want to call out the re most recent addition to the media channels
portfolio of the doomed to fail Network oh yes absolutely so I started uploading
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family's Legacy and then when I go to their profiles there's one person who's literally their entire profile is trying
to get chat gbt to confirm that trans people aren't real and I'm like grow up
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did you say we had on the dope murdog your family I think like 180 I can actually I can look okay we're at
183 because you messaged me yesterday saying 120 so wait at 8:00 P.M yesterday
my time we had 128 and then we went up by 60 as of this morning yeah in like 14
hours I know I think that's because of some keywords and then also people started watching the other ones so uh
Traders and terrorists rush into the apocalypse got some views not as many but a couple so I don't know may people
look around so that's exciting we'll eventually not people we know yeah it's definitely not people we know it we'll
eventually actually just because we record these as videos so we will eventually just upload the videos as
well once yeah we'll get there I need I need to learn how to edit better as you all already can tell from my regular
editing I think you do great you you tself to do it in like four minutes so great job so Taylor what is hey first
off who's going first today is it me yeah it's you okay do you want to tell tell us what your drink is and I'll
Segways the true crime and tell what my drink is yeah um so for me we're going to drink we're going to drink more wine
cuz we're going back into ancient times where wine was like water you just drank wine I don't know if you drank water um
because we're going to go to um the Eastern Roman Empire and Byzantium later so get your red wine out Byzantium love
it over you awesome okay I will kick things off my drink today is a drink
yall probably won't remember because if you're much younger than Taylor and I you won't remember much of what I'm
going to talk about today the drink is slice soda which if y'all do remember it
was basically in competition with Sprite and 7UP for the war of the lemon
flavored sodas which we all remember of course in the 90s of course the reason I
picked slice is because the pitch man back in the 90s is who I'm going to be discussing he was uh really funny and he
calls the cans that they come in metallic containers and promotes it by saying if you buy six of them they come
with a plastic carrying container which of course is the plasic thing that holds
the six cans together it's silly it's over the top it's a commercial it was legitimately their pitch man uh but it's
also an accurate descriptor of who I'll be discussing today this was probably one of my favorite humans we lost in a
very very tragic way and I think you'll remember this person Taylor uh this is another one of those people when I found
the new found out the news that they had passed it was a complete kick to the gut I'm going to be discussing today Phil
Hartman oh
yeah I love being our age I love being our age because like we we understand
these these kids don't get it I'm oh my heart I'm get out on my rock and trair
with my Splatoon and straw hat in a minute but so let's go into the bio of Phil Hartman and and who he was so Phil
was born in Ontario Canada which I never knew I didn't know he was a Canadian I thought he was one of ours which he clearly is not um his his early life
really isn't all that interesting he had a ton of siblings the family moved around a bunch that's basically the gist
of it except there's one weird connection he has to Barn Manson and the
Manson Murders he went to school with Squeaky from did you know that oh no way
Charles Manson but um what' I say no way you said you said Manson I've been
listening to a lot of rock after Nirvana episode yeah I put l that's interesting
squeaky F was from Canada no no when they moved to California got it yeah so I'm G look up
a picture of Phil heartman have him just smile at me during this H yeah I I watched a lot of Phil Hartman while I
was doing this so I remember him hold on I'm gonna go admonish Luna
okay oh I'm looking at far is going to tell you where he remembers Phil Hartman from but news radio oh he was so
delightful on news radio obviously he was on SNL just like a really sweet man
admonishment complete I think great I was going to say Taylor I mostly
remember Phil from Saturday Night Live I'm wondering how you how you remember
him the most definitely from SNL I watched it like live in the 9s I also
his voice comes up in like a ton of like animated things and like whenever I hear him I'm like oh it's full heart man I can tell um and then also not recently
but like 10 years ago we rewatched news radio and he was so good in that and
also I'm looking it up and being reminded that two awful people were in news radio Joe Rogan and Andy Dick who
are both [ __ ] terrible so that's interesting that they just happened to be in there too but uh yeah he was so
sweet in news radio okay I'm going to disagree with you on the Joe Rogan bit but I will agree with you on the Andy
Dick bit and both of those are going to be pretty prominent characters in in this story as I go about discussing it
we can we can discuss Joe Rogen offline but he is gonna come up I'm
surprised noad oh his Bill Clinton impression his bill CL I watched I
watched so many of his Clips where he's he the one where he goes to McDonald okay you know what I'm going down a
rabbit hole right now and I'm totally derailing everything I wrote in this outline so let me let me continue on and then we'll seg way back to all that but
yes SNL I think of people of Our Generation that's how you know Phil Harman he started attending improv
classes when he was 27 years old for work around this time he was actually a graphic artist and part of what he did
was he would design logos and album covers so I didn't know this about him but he did the album cover for one of
Steely dance albums and the logo for Crosby Stills and asash which super cool
right that's cool yeah the comedy group that he joined was called the the
Groundlings they also throughout their not not necessarily when he was there
but it was a fairly prominent comedy troop so Kathy Griffin will frell Lisa
kudro Melissa McCarthy Paul Ruben Maya Rudolph those were all folks that came
out of this comedy troop and look I don't know much about comedy troops but they kind of sound
like NCAA Sports programs where like there's some programs that produce the best of the best the the the cream of
the crop and it seems like ground leagues is one of them second cities is another one that people probably yeah that's the one I know is Second City
that's what I would say yeah exactly um in in this case it's worth noting that
Phil's part of the reason why the ground leagues became who they became because he joined the troop a year after it was
formed and then he went on to he's the reason why all these other folks you
know like will frell me Rudolph and all them have it has has this reputation to attract them and I just listed off Paul
Rubin who if you don't know is the actor who played PeeWee Herman in peewee's Playhouse another thing I learned doing
this they were in the ground Lings together at the exact same time and during this time Phil is the one who
created the character of PeeWee Herman and he was in the show and he produced a buch yeah he's in it
yeah all started it all started during this time when they were both in the ground lings there he's so started off
as like an adult show right like it was it it wasn't always for kids I think it was like a little like runch year really
in Inception and then it was like oh kids like this but I think it was like because he was in it anyway we we can
have we can talk let's have a second Phil Hartman episode we just talk about how much we love Phil Harman I I can go
on for like weeks on that like I mentioned earlier Phil joined SNL in its
12th season in 1986 um okay so we need to start having
sections where it's like fars starts his rant here so that people know they can fast forward from there because it's
just going to be me perfect yelling can't wait for those of you who
are younger SNL actually used to be amazing there seems to be like fits and
start so my current my opinion right now is I don't watch s all I think it kind of sucks and every now and then if something get if like a skid is actually
particularly good it gets enough media play where it I I'll pay attention to it but outside of that it's not my go-to to
watch yeah there seems to be fits and starts so there are particular cast members in Seasons where when they came
together it created just comedy gold the biggest of those years in cast members would be at the very beginning of SNL it
wouldn't last very long if I remember correctly it was three or four seasons where they caught lightning in a in a
bottle that those would be the years of John Belushi Dan and Bill Murray which are obviously like the you know the
Mount Everest of Comedy essentially another one of those Peaks I
mean I would argue others might not were several of the seasons Phil Hartman was
on the show as well so the cast members during this time were Dana Carvey do you
remember his George Bush Impressions oh yeah oh gold absolute gold Chris Farley
was on at this time they overlap with each other Chris Rock was on it Adam Sandler Al
Franken David Spade and Rob Schneider like to us I think Taylor like our
generation like this was our you know Mount Everest of Comedy absolutely
absolutely I definitely watched it all the time I think I stayed up to watch it as well yeah same because obviously like
how else would I watched it it's not like it was on re runs yeah or the internet so yeah yeah yeah I remember
for for this work happy hour thing a couple years ago I was out with my from our boss at the time who's who's a few
years older than me but like same similar generation and for some reason we started discussing like our favorite
Chris Farley skit and one of our younger colleagues who was there with us goes who's Chris Farley like how can you tell me who that
was you side chat me who that was um I'm gonna say it here and then I'm gonna send it to him it's it's Marco
Suarez I'm actually yeah I'm I'm glad actually you know why I'm going to call out another
one Morgan SE she also was there and said I don't know who he is either yeah Jesus Christ um that's hilarious and
also I I'm looking while looking at pictures of Phil Hartman lovingly on Google um do you remember you had to buy
the DVDs that was like best of Phil Hartman yeah and you'd buy the DVD and it would have like 20 skits on it yeah
good old days right that's nice MH the Chris Farley thing like when I heard that absolutely crushed me he's actually
like my favorite SNL cast member and I actually kind of assumed he'd be number three on the list of alltime greatest
only behind Belushi and Murray I found this list that ranked him number 15
which seems like insane like for for so Kristen Wick and Dana Carvey ranked
higher which I love both of them but they're not better than Chris Farley no no no do you remember his Chi
Andale character or like Matt FY well I mean we again could get into this but like
the chip andelle sketch like really hurt him emotionally really why I've never heard really really upset because it's
like essentially a body shaving sketch you know and people are like laughing at him because of his body and afterwards
he was just like what the [ __ ] am I doing like I'm just this like fat guy being you know taken advantage of and he
felt terrible after that I think that I read that somewhere when I was reading sad things about Chris Farley one day um
well now I feel bad he only like 25 when he died too um yeah yeah no I I mean it's funny but that his stick but I
think he was probably like getting a little tired of it even though he was so young anyway we talk about Chris Farley
later well no we're gonna go into a little bit more of a manant here so the the author of this because I just like
personally was like how are you ranking these people so he ranked Norm McDonald 139 out of 145 of cast members yeah he
ranked Den well [ __ ] this list this list makes no sense he ranked Dennis Miller ahead of Kate McKinnon no out get him
out okay I'm going to call him out here his name is his name is Rob Sheffield of Rolling Stone and by the way I also read
your ranking of the top 100 country albums Taylor Swift beat at folson
prison by Johnny Cash yeah this guy doesn't know what he's talking about shenah Twain was 10
spots ahead of Loretta Lynn's Coal Miner's Daughter on his list no no crazy
no I I remember watching the co 's Daughter movie with my grandma and my mom um one of the alltime great albums
ever ever ever made not not just country just ever okay I'll stop I'll stop but I'm
just saying like this guy seems like just throwing darts at a board when he's deciding who's funny and who's the best album anyways back to the story so again
like this AA of SNL these actors they were basically the best thing on TV and and for comedy in the early 90s
essentially I you mentioned Phil harman's Clint impression that that is actually the thing that started the
whole how we mock president's thing nice going
forward ni yeah yeah so now we're familiar with darl Daryl Hannah or or
will frell or all those guys doing president mockery things and really it was Phil's impression of Clint that kind
of set this off Phil would eventually leave SNL to go work at the show that you just mentioned the sitcom you
mentioned news radio which to be honest Taylor I've never seen it it sounds like
people who watch it okay yeah does it hold up yeah absolutely I mean honestly the
only part I don't know how many it lasts like one season after Phil Hartman dies and
it is different and so sad and everyone's said sad yeah it's like you can feel the sadness in the room so
after that happens I think we like maybe watch like half of it and then stopped watching it because it's not the same and everyone is just [ __ ] heartbroken
yeah yeah I I read that he actually pous won an Emmy for his work on that show so
it must have been must have been good between his time on SNL and news radio he also worked on The Simpsons where he
voiced one of well some of the best characters that were on the show Troy McClure and attorney Lionel Huts which
were probably the most well-known but he did others as well in the middle of all this he was also starring in movies well
you know sometimes starring a lot of times doing like um supporting character work and stuff like that generally
speaking he was basically everywhere like his voice was so how would you say
it like it was it was so recognizable and noticeable you'll know it if you hear it you know like it's definitely
one of those things that like if you hear his voice you'll be like oh that's fil Harman hear him everywhere hear him
everywhere exactly yeah if you're if you are familiar with his work his typical
characters come across as kind of Larger than Life they're a little bit arrogant a little bit narcissistic it's the over
the topness of how he plays these characters that make them hilarious by
all accounts from people he worked with on The Simpsons or Lauren Michaels of SNL to the team over at news radio Phil
was considered incredibly humble and down to earth and very helpful to his colleagues and just generally a pleasant
guy to be around again he got his start in Life or not in life like he got his start in comedy his rise in prominence
was so late in life that he wasn't one of those guys who was just like raised a celebrity child and like just thought he
was the greatest thing in the world he knew what it was like to kind of struggling come up and so he was very very thoughtful about it he married
several times he was married for 2 years in the'80s then he married another woman for three years and then the main
antagonist of this story Phil married in 1987 this woman is called her name is
Brinn omdal Brinn was an aspiring actress and it seems like that in a cocktail of
alcohol and narcotics were ultimately the cause of Hearn Phil's downfall you
mentioned one of your least favorite people Joe Rogan actually plays a part
in this so as you mentioned he was in news radio with Phil and by all accounts
they were friends with each other I they yeah they would have been pretty close to the same age I think actually around
that time and also because the Joe Rogan podcast is so prominent and he has so
many people that are on the show there's tons of content that's out there he's had pretty much anybody who's been on
news radio connected to news radio connected to Phil all of these people have done interviews on his show and
Phil Harman comes up a lot obviously because a lot of these because everybody who worked with him loved him and they
were all struck by what happened to him so like I mentioned Joe and Phil were friends throughout their time in um news
radio and to your earlier Point Andy di is also going to make an appearance here
because he was also in news radio as you mentioned and he played a role in this
to varying degrees depending on who you believe on what ended up happening to Phil and Brin from what Joe himself has
said on the podcast so much of the toxic Dynamic of Phil and brin's relationship had to do with her career aspirations
and where Phil was in life they married in 1987 so think about that they M they got
married a year after Phil gets on SNL so he was not like the guy yet like he's
just like he's like just his head's poking out of water basically at this point right but he still has like a
really good job he has he has a good well so we don't really know that because if you for context the entire
cast almost the entire cast of the previous season had been fired so he started in
86 the cast of 85 which included Robert Downey Jr and Anthony Michael Hall all
of them got fired because nothing was hitting I don't remember them yeah yeah like I said esnl has fits and starts so
there's moments where it's comedy gold and there's moments where it just totally sucks and the year before Phil
started it was in the totally sucks category Taylor this is funny on the first on the
first episode of this season this was season 12 that's the season he started the announcer called them Phil
Hoffman it's like again like they're just like Amateur hour right they're just like whatever yeah yeah again like
he wasn't who he eventually became but by the next year so that would have been
8788 his star was on the rise he was 3 years away from being big enough to where he was on The Simpsons which again
to younger folks The Simpsons back then if not paralleled almost certainly
eclipsed SNL in terms of popularity I think so right would you say that's accurate I think so I think
it was more accessible I mean like I said before like I don't remember how the heck you ever watched anything like
more than once there definitely weren't like SNL reruns I don't think but there were Simpsons reruns so was on more it
had the opportunity to be on more often right yeah and and also this I would yeah also this would have been like the
golden air of The Simpsons like the funniest the best like all the most memorable stuff that The Simpsons
produced so getting on there I would argue was probably harder than getting on SNL because everybody wanted to be on
The Simpsons and because they have a very finite number of characters they can have on there his star was
skyrocketing at this point it was very clear apparently to those around Phil
and brenn that their relationship was toxic at this point they had two kids together together and those around Phil
would notice that Bren made it a point to embarrass him publicly like talking down to him just basically making
everyone around them feel uncomfortable in their presence this he got into such a level go ahead sorry you can talk
about his intro in SNL with her in it do you know that part I've don't remember
that so when they they do the thing where they like Phil Hartman you know I'm like it's someone like standing in
New York City like smiling you know like that how they they still do that you know like someone whatever so when is
you'll see that he's at a table with a blonde woman and that's her and her earring is swinging like really really
fast because she wouldn't stop staring at the camera and they had to be like move your head this isn't about you and
so she was so mad and she like swung her face backwards and her earring is swinging and he smiles and that's his intro I'm gonna go back and watch that
she had just moved her head because people were like stop [ __ ] look at the camera introducing you we're
introducing him oh I'm going to go back and look at that yeah I never saw that I I watched a ton of snlc but I never went
back to the intro how do you remember that Taylor I feel like I read that in an article that was like that was like a
I don't know how I know that interesting I don't know it's in there I don't know much math yeah that and the fact that
you know that tote is German for murder are like the weirdest random things that are connected to my story that I never
would have anticipated anyone knowing that you did so I'm I'm full of surprises full of
surprises apparently this toxicity level got to the point where Joe Rogan would
frequently tell Phil he should consider the divorce he said that he talked to him like five or six times about this
like hey this isn't good like we can tell something's going on Phil didn't want to and what he what Joe said on the
podcast is the reason he didn't want to do this was because he'd already been divorced twice and because at this time
he had this squeaky clean Family Man quality to him in Hollywood he thought
that a divorce would actually tarnish His image and in inhibit his career
essentially okay so we can say that Joe Rogan in this story is a good friend of Phil Harbin but now Joe Rogan is a
lunatic because he gets people to take ior mechon I don't I don't agree with any of
this like you sound what are you talking about I had this whole discussion yeah okay so the I'm not
going to the whole Co thing I don't really like care about it's like I think that just generally speaking he has this reputation as this like right Wing
insane person it's like no he was a stand-up comic and like a UFC commentator and then started a podcast
and just like talks to people like I that is kind of crazy all right we we can talk about this later we'll we'll
we'll have a whole why don't we do a willing to say I'm willing to say that Joe Rogan is a good friend of Phil
Hartman okay I think that's been documented because like everybody who's been on the podcast is also brought this
up which again a lot of people have been on the podcast about this actually Andy Dick was on the podcast once and that
was basically enough can we say [ __ ] Andy Dick yeah well I don't know even
about that because like I think that the guy really really has a lot of problems like
psychologically yeah it's like I don't want to like shame him for that but like I said before Brent also had substance
abuse issues and it tried unsuccessfully to get clean she would bounce from one substance to the next and at a new so
this is where he comes in at a News Radio Christmas party in 1997 1997 Andy
Dick would give Bren cocaine and cause her to relapse and go back down the hard
drug PA so I don't know how you categorize that's what I heard that's the thing that I heard yeah yeah I don't know how you categorize this but like to
me there's like three categories of substance users right there's the drinkers there's the chill drug users
which is like marijuana mushrooms like organic drug users then there's the powders right there's the people who get
into the pow pows and then like I feel like that is a Divergent path that
escalates any psychological issues that might pre be pre-existing do you do you sense that too or yeah I think well I
mean obviously there other like has like heroin and meth and like worse things you could be on I think yeah yeah that's
true but but yeah definitely so so that's what partially
why I think people also put this because like sure it was cocaine it was one time but dealing with someone that has like a
history of substance abuse and clearly isn't doing well mentally she's not the
right person to give that to right right and he knew it right like he did not know but he also has his own problems so
yeah exactly apparently this caused quite a rift with the castmates because everyone
loved Phil and everyone could see that Bren was unstable and they were pissed that Andy did did this like they saw
like why would you give this person that we know that has his issue but again to your point he he has his own issues but
there's also this presumption that maybe he didn't know that she had a history of substance abuse and that's he was just
like trying to be a good time guy you know yeah the fighting in the house got to such an extent that Phil would have
his kids go stay Elsewhere on occasions I don't know if you've ever been in a relationship like this you you I mean I
certainly have but when you're with someone where yell yeah like when you know exactly what their triggers are how
to read their mood and just brace yourself for battle that's kind of like what this sounded like to me in my mind
I can see Bren in a robe like sulking around the house with an empty bottle of vodka at noon and Phil being like kids
you got to go to your aunt's house tonight like knowing that the next 12 hours are going to be absolute absolute
hell Phil did try to help her for what it's worth it's actually completely in
line with what everybody says about his character he got her into rehab a few times It ultimately failed like I said before and as it became more clear to
him that she resented his career he would try to pull strings in Hollywood to get her
roles she did have a few roles here or there but this is Phil Hartman people
like again you might not remember how huge this guy was back in the day she
would have had to be Nicole Kidman in this era to not be in a shadow I CCH up
yeah so all this culminates on May 28th of 1998 Bren went out to dinner with a
friend and had some drinks she gets home her and Phil have a fight which seems to be the typical standard of their
relationship we don't know what it was over but regardless he goes to bed and she stays up she apparently still has
like is doing drugs or drinking or some combination thereof around 3:00 a.m. she
goes into their bedroom where he is asleep and shoots him three times once
in the head once in the neck and once in the chest which is like a weird like just what were you thinking about Jesus
going up and down like you're doing Conn the dots with his like spine like crazy just like I don't know who knows yeah oh
my God yeah that's so sad yeah and look were the kids home they were they were
I'll get into that oh no going back to the Andy Dick thing um later on they
found out that she had a cocktail of zolof cocaine alcohol in her system so uh the cocaine thing stuck after that
Christmas party apparently Bren leaves the house then and goes over to a former boyfriend's house a guy named Ron
Douglas and tells him what she did they go back to the Hartman house together and Ron discovers that she's telling the
truth and immediately calls the police good job Ron at this point yeah the police show up and the police take the
kids out of the house they oh they she left them there well Ron was in the
house too Ron was with brenn in the house but she left them there when she went to get Ron yeah yeah she
did so the police show up take take Ron out of the house take take the kids out of the house Bren locks herself in the
bathroom and then shoots herself in the head and kills herself the Andy Dick thing again like
you're familiar with John litz right yeah so John litz was also part of
this whole I mean all these guys it's it's like La comedy right it's the LA comedy scene they all know each other so
they were all part of The Comedy Store scene The Improv they were all they were on actually I don't remember if Andy
Dick was on SNL but John litz definitely was on SNL and I think John litz after Phil Hartman died went on news radio as
well do you recall that at all with that season you watch okay I don't remember I just
remember so they have him die of like natural causes but he was like the main
character he was just such a great character on that show very phel Harman like a very like conceited like funny
guy um so without him it it just I mean the whole was just
ginormous like you never they never ever never ever would have written him out of that show you know so it was like a
plotline that they never would have had it's almost like the show wouldn't have been wouldn't doesn't need to exist
without that character in it exactly and they all knew it and they were all just so [ __ ] sad yeah yeah yeah like I me
like with with the whole John Lit thing so apparently he he he's one of the guys who really was pissed off about this he
was apparently really really close to Phil and they would get into physical fights when they would see each other and like they're in the comedy scene LA
together they would see each other all the time they'd be at The Comedy Store there's stories about John Lis just bashing his head against the uh bar at
The Comedy Store when they ran into each other like it was it was yeah oh because
that's how responsible that crew of people saw and like like in the in in
one of the episodes roblo was on the Rogan podcast and he was like yeah I had Andy on once definitely don't need to
talk to him ever again like we're good like it's like this caused like this like legit Rift amongst that entire cast
man or the crew like I mentioned so Phil would have died in at the age of 49 that
was in 1998 he started his rise in Fame in ' 86 so that's 12 years and probably like
really it's 10 years where he's kind of living out his dream which is kind of a fact that I found find really sad he did
yeah he did the thing that they say can't be done or is hard to be done which is finding your calling in life really late in
life by this math he would have been 37 when he got his big break that first year of SNL which that's awesome right
yeah oh my God that's so awesome as someone who has no big breaks it is 40 this is this is our big break Taylor
this is it guys please tell your friends please tell your friends Taylor needs
this he's literally crying um yeah going back to the two
kids so they ended up being taken in by brinn's sister and her husband um apparently Bergen the daughter she ended
up having her own substance abuse issues but I checked out her insta page which which is fairly active if you want to see it's Bergen Bergen Hartman she is
now 11 years and 4 weeks clean from opioids and apparently happily married so good for her not much to say yeah
there's not much to say about Shawn the son other than he lives in California he's a musician and artist
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