Today, we go south to talk about the terrible serial killers Luis Garavito & Pedro Lopez. Separately, these two are the top two killers on record, killing nearly 200 children each. There's nothing to sugar coat here - these guys took advantage of poverty and the terrible human condition to commit some of the most atrocious crimes possible. True Crime friends - this is for you!
Today, we go south to talk about the terrible serial killers Luis Garavito & Pedro Lopez. Separately, these two are the top two killers on record, killing nearly 200 children each. There's nothing to sugar coat here - these guys took advantage of poverty and the terrible human condition to commit some of the most atrocious crimes possible.
True Crime friends - this is for you!
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Taylor: I had a really relaxing Sunday. Kind of, sort of did almost nothing
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number ba zero nine six.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for yourself. We are up and live. Taylor. Hi. How are you?
>> Taylor: Good. How are you?
>> Farz: I'm doing very, very well. I had a really relaxing Sunday. Kind of, sort of did almost practically nothing, which was great, which I needed.
>> Taylor: I love that for a Sunday.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. I did get. I did get breakfast tacos. We discovered a place here in Austin. It's called Denudo, and it. We didn't discover it. It's been. It's incredibly popular. The line goes around the block several, several times, but it's one of those coffee places where they are so, so proud of their coffee, their coffee beans, their roast methods. I was telling Rachel, I was like, this feels like the kind of place where they probably named the beans, individual beans and have, like, oh, no, totally cards for each one of them.
>> Taylor: You, know where they came from, their passports. Yeah.
>> Farz: Which is great. Like, they're very proud of it, and as a result, their business is booming. Their coffee is amazing. The next time you're in Austin, we have to do a run to this place. It's a whole experience. so, yeah, it was great. But how's your weekend been? Did you do anything fun?
>> Taylor: Oh, my God. I did. Let me introduce the show first, though.
>> Farz: Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Taylor: I went to Paul Abdul and DJ Jazzy Jeff last night
>> Taylor: So before we continue our banter, welcome to doomed to fail with a podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures twice a week. I am Taylor, joined by far, so had a very relaxing weekend so far. and my voice is a little hoarse from all the screaming that I did last night because I saw Nuku's on the block and Paul Abdul and DJ Jazzy Jeff, and it was, amazing.
>> Farz: So much fun.
>> Taylor: M. It was so fun. Like, they just, like, they're having so much fun. Paula Abdul had to stop and, like, use an oxygen tank, and she was like, I'm, 62. I'm trying my best. Like. And she, like, kept dancing and singing and, like, she seemed delightful. And then the new guys were exactly how they'd always been. And my daughter loved it, which was super fun. I'm so glad she loved it, because those things are. It's a blast.
>> Farz: Did you go to La Quinta for that?
>> Taylor: It's in, like, palm desert, so, like, there's, like, a big arena that's new. And, so we already have tickets to see Weezer in November and then we're considering getting tickets to see in September. It's Chicago and Earth, wind and fire, which I feel like we should go to.
>> Farz: Yeah, seems worth it.
>> Taylor: So I gotta check up what's going on in that arena, but it's awesome. So. Yeah, no, we had absolutely an amazing time. and dudes on the block look exactly the same, except old and they're cute.
>> Farz: As it happens. My very first concert was Weezer.
>> Taylor: Really? That's, awesome.
>> Farz: Yeah. What was yours?
>> Taylor: Immature. It's like an old rap group. No one remembers them, but I, like, I remember going to that band. This is my first, like, show.
>> Farz: What was your first, like, big m famous one that you went to?
>> Taylor: I think probably Britney Spears.
>> Farz: It's pretty big.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I saw her a couple of times.
>> Farz: It's just difference in like, the production value. It's like, yeah, all been like those lower budget ones that you go to the. I have no idea what eras tour looks like, but I'm assuming the production value is insane.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm sure it's insane. yeah, but oh, my gosh, it was so much fun, though. Very exciting.
>> Farz: Very, very exciting.
I was researching price fixing and I was like, this is depressing
cool, well, we can go ahead and dive in and if I recall correctly, I'm going first today. Yes. Sweet. I am going to go back kind of to our bread and butter. So I just, I was researching a lot of, like, fun scandals and things to get into. I was like, I don't have the energy to get, let's just go to something that's like super light hearted chill. And I started googling around what the highest body count of a serial killer was.
>> Taylor: So chill. So great job.
>> Farz: it's just different because when you look at stuff like this, it's like, it's like it can't touch and affect you. But if you like, research, like corruption or. I was researching price fixing and I was like, this is depressing. It's like, it's all true, it's all real. It's all going to affect us. Like, let's go to something lighthearted.
I'm going to cover two killers who have the highest body count
Anyways, I went into the backstory of two, two killers who have the highest body count, and we don't actually know what their body counts are. We just have like, rough, rough approximations. Do you know either one of these people that I'm going to reference? I'm sure you do.
>> Taylor: Is one of them lonnie franklin?
>> Farz: No. Lonnie Franklin doesn't make the cut.
>> Taylor: He doesn't?
>> Farz: I think he's a top ten guy, but I don't think. I mean, we're talking in the many multiples of hundreds right now. Whoa. yeah.
>> Taylor: Tell me. I don't want to just guess for 5 hours.
>> Farz: Yeah, well, we'll just. You'd also just say I give. Give up, but yes. so I'm going to cover two of them. They're going to be kind of short. I'm going to. These all happened in other countries a long time ago, and so there's not, like, a ton of details about each one of them. So they're going to be like two little short, flippy versions of this. The first person I cover is a guy named Luis Gueravito. So Lewis also had an incredibly cool nickname, which was called la Bestia, which it sounds like bestie to me, but it's not. It means the beast in Spanish.
>> Taylor: Nice. So amazing.
Lewis Bernardo confessed to 221 murders; authorities think he killed over 300
What country are we in?
>> Farz: We are in Columbia. Okay. Yeah. And tragically, for us in the world, Lewis, actually just died. He actually just died in October of 2023, unfortunately. So he was ultimately convicted of 142 murders, but he confessed to 221, and authorities actually think he killed over 300. So, let's get into the world that actually produces a person like Lewis. He was born in 1957, and he had both parents around. He was the eldest of six children, and his upbringing was. Would describe it as difficult. There was, like, a lot of physical abuse. There was a lot of, like, weird sexual stuff. There's a lot of weird sex, like, sex stuff in Colombia, like, when people are. I'm gonna get into. We need to go. So. Ah, long story short, it just sounded like when he was very, very young, he immediately fused things like sexuality and violence, and then in, like, the non consensual part of it was like, obviously a really big component of this as well. He was known to do things to his younger siblings and to the neighborhood boys. and his childhood just reads, just a ton of this kind of stuff, per usual, basically all kinds of weird sexual stuff that he did to kids and was done to him by adults and just all that whole, whole thing.
>> Farz: it seems like his sexual urges became a problem in the house. The point where he was kicked out by his parents. What I can gather, it wasn't, it wasn't that he was, like, sexually abusing and insulting and molesting his siblings and other neighborhood children at his house with his parents there. It sounds like the problem was that he was gay. Like, that's why they kicked him out of the house.
>> Taylor: Right. It wasn't all the other stuff.
>> Farz: No. So that just tells you what kind of people we're dealing with. So he would grow into doing random jobs. None of these guys are skilled people. Like, none of them are radiologists or brain doctors. Right? So, like, he would just be like a street vendor, and then he would go work at a coffee plantation in the field. He did have a very, very, very notable problem with alcohol, and that seemed to make him a very unreliable employee and friend and partner and everything else. His early adulthood is punctuated mostly by failing at life. He would date women who would always break up with him due to his drinking and his inability to maintain a job. This seemed mostly to be an exercise to suppress his sexuality or sexual desires. Since it sounds like he would never actually be intimate with these women. It was just like something to do, I guess. This one I actually don't. Is that sexuality? Like, if you're a pedophile, is it? That's not sexuality, is it? What. What is that?
>> Taylor: No, it's like a disorder. Like, it's not like a.
>> Farz: Way to brain defect. Like, it's not like. Yeah, okay.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: So he was never gonna scratch this itch that he had, right? Well, he did.
>> Taylor: Or he did.
>> Farz: It's like, right in the worst possible way. Right?
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: So he would. Again, he seemed to know he was fucked up, so he would attempt suicide many, many times. This one time he attempted suicide. it was like, it was during a stage of being just totally adrift. Women breaking up with him, him kind of not having a place to stay, not having a really place to live. He ended up actually checking himself into a psych clinic to seek help. It was in 1980. Okay, I'm gonna pause there real quick for everything I'm gonna say. From here until the end. He was under psych treatment and psych evaluation as everything I'm saying is going on. So m anybody who says talk to some, like, it, it's not always going to help.
>> Taylor: Sure, it's not always going to help, but certainly not a bad idea.
>> Farz: I mean, we don't know. It could have been worse, right? I mean, he could have killed, like, 700 children.
>> Taylor: No, that's what I mean. I mean, like, so maybe that the seeing someone helps.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. He only killed 300. Right?
>> Taylor: We don't advocate not going to see a, psychiatrist.
>> Farz: I.
>> Taylor: That's what I mean.
>> Farz: I. Okay. No, no. See, a psychology psychiatrist. I would also, when it comes, like, therapy, though, when somebody tells me they're going to go to like marriage therapy. I'm like, don't waste your time.
>> Taylor: Well, that's because you had a terrible marriage.
>> Farz: Whatever.
>> Taylor: I had a great. We had a really. We had a much success with our.
Lewis would start regularly sexually assaulting homeless children in Armenia in 1980
With our couples counseling. So that's not. No, that's not good face.
>> Farz: Fine. Taylor knows a lot about this part of my life, unfortunately. so. Okay, so he's in psych treatment, all that stuff. So in 1980, when he would have been around 23 years old, he would start regularly sexually assaulting homeless children in the city of Armenia, which is very interesting. It's actually like a city called Armenia in Colombia. And, oh, I have so many.
>> Taylor: Just the homeless children part in and of itself.
>> Farz: This is going to be a theme that comes up over and over and over again. I don't know what these countries are like, where homeless children are like, just stray dogs everywhere. Everywhere. I read. I read that in India, too. I read in India. Or not read. It was like a vice, docu series they did on the homeless children of India, where, like, they would have to do stuff sexually, get by. And also, it's interesting because it seems like people don't actually give a shit about them either. Police don't give a shit. It's kind of like black prostitutes here in the US. They get that sort of treatment, essentially.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's terrible.
>> Farz: Yeah. So he would relocate to the city called Armenia, where he was undergoing this psych treatment. He would start working at a grocery store and kind of restart his life without anybody knowing him. The consistent theme throughout his adulthood was nobody want to be around him because he was aggressively drunk, aggressively annoying, and had no, real redeeming qualities. It also seemed that people were starting to, like, understand what his sexual proclivities were, and they just didn't want to be around it. Like, no matter what, where. What country you're in, there's, like, an underneath category. And this guy was definitely a part of that.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So, he wasn't killing kids at this point, yet. He was acting, like I said, aggressively and violently, towards them. He was sexually assaulting them. So he would take them aside and do what he was going to do, or they would offer to do stuff because they were poor and needed money. he'd also take, little trophies from kids, which starts to be, like, where he becomes a little bit of a serial killer. Like, items of clothing, pictures, details like that. like I said, he was basically just starting to kind of scratch the itch and realizing, like, that's what was actually fulfilling him was doing this type of stuff. It was noted that researchers found that cities where Lewis lived during the 1980s had a sharp increase in reports of child sexual crimes. Oh, just kind of followed around wherever you went. He would attempt his first murder in October of 1992 when he tries to lure a boy who was selling cigars and try to take him back to a hotel room. He was caught doing this by police. And in a sign of what law enforcement in Columbia was at the time, they basically beat the shit out of him with their revolvers. They pistol whipped him. They stole a $1,000 off him. They stole his watch and his ring, and they let him go. So three days later, he would successfully commit his first murder by killing a 13 year old boy who, weirdly enough, was named Juan Carlos. I, like, had to read that several times.
>> Taylor: That's a lot of Juan Carlos.
>> Farz: That's not, I guess. Yeah, good point. he went up to this kid offering him work, which convinced him to go with Louis to a remote area where he was later found having had his genitals removed, shoved into his mouth and his throat cut.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God. Poor baby.
>> Farz: Yeah. A few days later, he would run into a twelve year old boy named John Naranda. And it seems like from here on out, the bloodlust kind of just takes over again. He was convicted of 142 of these. So I don't think I need to, like, keep saying what he did to the remaining 140 victims. That was his Emma.
Lewis would decapitate his victims and then leave their toes in suitcase
That's basically what he did. one detail that would arise, in his later murders is that he would decapitate his victims. And there was just so many stab wounds. It reminded me a lot of Andre Chikatello, where he was just crazy from m what it was described later on when he confesses, it sounds like he just kind of blacked out. He'd black out, wake up, just be covered in blood and just have destroyed some, some human. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: one fun fact was that he also stole their toes. So that was when he started doing his sterile kill. When you started actually doing the committee and the killings, he would steal our toes. But he was actually pretty clever about this. So he had these toes in a suitcase. He had this black suitcase that he would just leave at certain places. It was at his sister's house for a while. It was a girlfriend's house for all. He just left it, left this suitcase, had all those trophies in it. And he started getting paranoid, saying, look, listen, Louis, if the police start sniffing around and they find a suitcase full of dead children's toes, they're gonna think it's you. And so, much to his credit, he ended up getting rid of the toes.
>> Taylor: So that's just, like, the least fun fact I've ever heard of whole entire life. It keeps going. Did he have them in, like, individual baggies, or does it just, like, loose toes in the suitcase?
>> Farz: It was probably loose toes. This guy's not that organized.
>> Taylor: Gross. Okay. that's horrifying for babies.
>> Farz: So in November of 1998, a mass grave was discovered by police, which contained the bodies of 36 children.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: They later found two more masquerades, one containing 41 and the other containing 27 children.
>> Taylor: What? Where were they? Like, in the woods?
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. They'd be some remote spot by ravines. There was one that was discovered under, like, a bridge, like, a ravine situation.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: they all shared similar manners of death, and there was always liquor bottles, cigarette butts left behind. So police determined that this was likely the work of a single person. But then again, wouldn't there always be liquor bottles and cigarette butts left behind? Even if it was, like, that doesn't.
>> Taylor: Mean it's one person. Yeah, it just means, like. Yeah, I, think.
>> Farz: I think the connection.
>> Taylor: I mean, it was, like, one cigarette.
>> Farz: Well, no, I think the connection. No, no. Was. No, because it was. He didn't kill all these people in one one sitting. No, I think the connection was they all had a similar manner of death and the same kind of trauma to their bodies, and that probably is what put them in. So on February 6 of 1999, Lewis was dating a woman named Gracilia Zavalita and had just gone on, a killing spree. He had just killed a kid, and he was blind drunk in a pass on top of his course with a lit cigarette in his hand. Zachary.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: Yeah, he was a mess. This is one. That's what's crazy, is, like, how did nobody catch this guy for so long? He was such an obvious mess. But like I said, I feel like.
>> Taylor: He'S, like, is he not covered in blood?
>> Farz: Yeah, he'd be covered in blood.
>> Taylor: Was Chikatello the one who figured out how to, like, stab someone where the blood would not gush?
>> Farz: That was Peter Curtin. Okay. M the vampire of Dusseldorf.
>> Taylor: Dusseldorf. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah. I like that guy. He's cool. Not good, but still. So, yeah, he falls asleep on this kid's corpse. Falls asleep, he blacks out. Like I said, a lot of these stories are him blacking out, him waking up in this situation, remind me a lot of. Do you remember beer fest where, that one indian guy, he just likes. Yeah.
>> Taylor: When Chandra Zakkar does that. Oh my God, it's so funny. Yes, I think we've talked about that before. He's like, not again.
>> Farz: So, he, what happened was he ended up lighting the field that he was in on fire. And that's how police were kind of drawn to this location. They found the body. Apparently the fire, like, woke him up, and so he kind of scurried away. He left behind his glasses and some clothing. That's one thing you just asked, like, isn't he just covered in blood? I think he took clothing with him because in a lot of these places, there was like additional clothing that was found that was belonged to him. And so he left that stuff behind. He also left a note behind that contained his girlfriend's address on it. So he. He was really stupid.
>> Taylor: That is so stupid.
>> Farz: Police contacted gracilia, the girlfriend, who let them know that she hadn't actually seen Louis since December of the previous year, but that he had left behind a black suitcase that she had never opened.
Louis Lewis is found guilty of 142 out of 172 murders
So police retrieve the suitcase, open it, and find Louis's little trophies, including pictures of his victims, detailed notes about who he killed, when he killed them, how.
>> Taylor: Where, all that stuff, what, it didn't smell weird?
>> Farz: Well, the toes weren't in there anymore, remember?
>> Taylor: Wait, wait, what did he do with the toes?
>> Farz: I don't remember that he got rid of them. He just like, threw them in the ditch.
>> Taylor: Okay, so he had a grocer case that used to have toes in it.
>> Farz: And it's a weird saying that she.
>> Taylor: Didn'T look at it. What the hell?
>> Farz: She didn't look at it? I mean, I don't think, I don't think a lot of these were asking any questions. so days later, Louis tries to assault a twelve year old boy named John Sabagul. He kidnaps John at knife point and he led him to an empty hilltop where kind of like the assault began, as it always did. A 16 year old homeless child could hear the assault and went up the hill and started yelling at Louis and throwing stones at him to leave this kid, John, alone. Louis was distracted enough so that John and the 16 year old could make an escape together. He gave chase and he was told by yet another homeless child that the two ran into the woods. So at this point, there's a big enough commotion happening where somebody had called the police. Louis is in the woods with his dagger, searching for these kids. They're not, they're not there. They're actually hiding in a farmhouse nearby. And, And so police are out waiting outside the woods when Lewis comes out with this, with a stagger, he ends up telling police that he's actually a guy named Lisconno, like some local politician like character. And, police, like, we're not buying that and we're just going to go ahead and arrest you until we figure out who you are and what you're doing here.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: They needed to further verify Lewis's culpability, despite having the suitcase at this point. And they had several details about the presumed killer from the items they found, at the fire. So they knew the person who owned the glasses had a very specific type of eye condition that only affected one of his eyes. They also had his DNA on the items of clothing that they had retrieved. And so what police plan on doing was during. While Louis was at the detention facility, they were going to give eye exams to every inmate there just to see, like, who, if Lewis has a very specific eye condition. In the middle of all that, they also were collecting samples of his hair from his gel cell to run DNA analysis on it. So it came back positive, obviously. It was like, yup, for sure. This guy, his eye situation is, was very unique in a sense. Like, if you look up videos, there's a video of him being interviewed in 2006. You can't understand any of it. It's all in it. It's all in Spanish. Well, I mean, if you speak Spanish, you understand, obviously, but like.
>> Taylor: But it's impossible to understand.
>> Farz: How does anybody do it?
>> Taylor: No, indeed. Okay. He got.
>> Farz: So you can tell his eyes fucked. So one of his eyes he ended up having removed because he got cancer in the eye. Like, but it was like he had a horrible issue with him. So that's why it was like a very unique pair of glasses that he had, which is why cosmos is weird. So, anyways, he has tried. He is found guilty of 142 out of 172 murders. he was actually. I didn't understand how this works. I did a bit of research on this and I couldn't really get to the bottom of it. So he was actually technically sentenced to 1853 years in prison. But apparently there's no. The law doesn't allow a sentence like that to exist. So I don't know why the judge gave him the sentence because the maximum penalty of the time was 40 years in prison.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: And that was actually reduced in his case on appeal to 22 years in prison for helping police recover the victims bodies.
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: Is it crazy?
>> Taylor: Killed them?
>> Farz: There's people who probably did 22 years here for, like, weed.
>> Taylor: You are for real? No. Absolutely, yes. And.
>> Farz: Mike, I mentioned this, actually, I did not mention this beginning, but again, the tragic part of the story is that he was actually eligible for parole in 2023. And in a very telling sign, which, like, speaks volumes to me, he'd already planned out his post prison life. He was going to run for Congress. That's hilarious, because he'll run for Congress. And he also wanted to join the ministry to be a pastor. And he also wanted sort of nonprofit to help homeless children. Like, it just sound like, oh, yeah.
>> Taylor: Give me a fucking break.
>> Farz: This could have been a Monty Python sketch.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Like I said, sadly and very unfortunately for the world, we actually lost Louis in October of last year, the year that he became eligible for parole. He was never freed. And I looked this up, and I probably dug most into this and any other part of the story, how he died, the prison won't say. The prison just says he was. He was dead. They wouldn't, they wouldn't give a cause of death or anything. So I'm pretty sure that somebody in there was like, we're about to release this guy.
>> Taylor: Fuck, no.
>> Farz: Kill him.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Is what it probably.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Pedro Lopez was released from prison in 1978 and wandered South America
>> Farz: So our next guy. So that's where Lewis's story kind of ends. The next guy's almost. He might be even more interesting. So his name is Pedro Lopez. and he is also from Columbia. he was known as the monster of the Andes. Pretty cool name. Oh, yeah. So pretty much everything. Pretty much. It sounds like. Like a. Like a yeti that was hunting. Like the, the alive people in the Andes.
>> Taylor: A thousand percent. No, that's cool.
>> Farz: So, pretty much everything I said about Louis's childhood also applies to Pedro, except for the lack of a father. So his dad actually died before he was even born. his mom had 13 kids. She was a prostitute. She actually kicked, Pedro out of the home for molesting the sister, which is probably what Lewis's parents should have done instead of kicking him out for being gay, but still, so he would turn into a homeless street kid, which, like I said, based on our previous story, just tells you, like, how things go for these. These kids. He was. I mean, it doesn't give me any joy to say this. He was basically used as a sex doll from when he became homeless to early adulthood. Like, he was horribly, horribly, horribly abused. Like it was. There's details about things that were done to him in prison that we can imagine. And it was really, really bad.
>> Taylor: That's terrible.
>> Farz: So he was released from prison in 1978 and wandered South America, presumably having already started his killing spree. He's.
>> Taylor: He.
>> Farz: Later on we're going to find out when he confessed to. By this point, while he was wandering around Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, he will have claimed to have already killed hundreds of little girls. Like, that was his thing. He was, he was, he was after girls. And none of this can be verified, but one story that was verified was that he was caught trying to sexually, assault a nine year old indigenous girl. And the tribe of that girl found this happening and beat the shit out of him and then buried him up to his neck in sand and just left him there. And just in another feather in the hat for missionaries, an american missionary who was trying to convert these indigenous people to christianity was like, release this guy. Like, don't do your savage indigenous things. You got to release. It's like, come on.
>> Taylor: Oh, my gosh. Great. Good job, Jesus.
>> Farz: Way to go.
Pedro Martinez confessed to murdering 163 children in Ecuador and Colombia
So in, 1980, a flash flood hit Ecuador, which unearthed the remains of four missing girls. A few days later, a woman named Carvina Povada was with her twelve year old daughter at a market when she caught Pedro trying to abduct the little girl. Good Samaritan stepped in and contained Pedro while police could arrive and arrest him. while he was in jail, he refused to talk to the police at all. And so what they ended up doing was they took a police pastor and put him in prisoners clothes and threw him in the cell with Pedro. And then Pedro would go into detail with this pastor, talk about how he killed 200 girls in Ecuador and Peru and Columbia. He would go into detail on how he would lure his victims and what he would do to them. he was very. There's parts, this conversation that are quote quoted, and, I didn't write them down because they were really bad.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So, police, after hearing this, assumed he was basically a crazy person. But upon an interrogation, he directed them to the gravesite containing 53 children. They literally. This guy's obviously a nutcase. This is nonsense. Nobody could have done this. He's like, well, he showed him. Later on, he tacked on another 110. He took him to other grave sites and it totaled out somewhere around 163 or so bodies. so he ends up going to trial for murder and he gets a whopping 16 years in prison, which at the time was the statutory maximum in Ecuador. Is that. Yeah, he was Taylor, this is incredible. He was released in August of 1994.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: He got two years off his prison sentence for good behavior. He served 14 years for 163. Absolutely. Verified child murder slash sexual assaults.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: 14 years. Is that unbelievable? That's so wild.
>> Taylor: Unbelievable.
>> Farz: so. Well, there's. There's people who, like, have stolen more than $1,000 worth of, like, deodorant that have gotten 14 years 1000%.
>> Taylor: The justice is fucked up everywhere.
>> Farz: Yeah. And, he. So what ended up happening was that he was deported to Colombia, where he was picked up as an illegal immigrant. So he's colombian. He was deported there. Actually, I don't know why. You know what? Never mind. I know why. So he was deported to Colombia, which is his actual home country. But I guess in Colombia, you have to renew your, your, proof of citizenship, which I'll get into here in a moment, because this actually comes up later on. So he was arrested for not having that, and he was presumed to be crazy and sent to a mental institution. He was released from that mental institution four years later in 1998, and the last time he was seen was in 1989 when he went into a government facility to renew his citizenship paperwork. So that's it. That's the last we heard of him. So presumably he's still kicking around somewhere in South America at 75 years old, doing God knows what.
>> Taylor: Whoa.
>> Farz: Is that crazy?
>> Taylor: Mm
>> Farz: Seems like a luke of justice that this guy's like, I don't know. it's kind of wild because here in the US, like, what I, what I've, what I've seen from. I mean, what you hear about is like when. When things like children are involved, like crimes against children or like the elderly or the weak or the infirm or whatever else, usually it seems like the prisoners deal with it. It doesn't matter what the crime is, but it's not like, it's just not like that. Like, again, so much of the story of Pedro's, like, childhood and life when he became homeless was men just picking him up and doing stuff to him as a kid. Like, it was just so common. I don't know. I don't know.
>> Taylor: It's, terrible. I mean, it sounds like it was just a terrible environment to be in at all stages.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like them and for the kids and like, you know, with that, the abuse. Abusers often were abused, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah. I mean, that was the situation with him and his sister, who was molesting his sister, but he, like, learned that somewhere.
>> Taylor: Exactly.
>> Farz: Which is horrible, which is horrible.
>> Taylor: He.
>> Farz: These two are the top of the ticket as. As far as, most, most confirmed kills and most assumed kills. But there are a few others. yeah, so Luis Garavito gets number one. Pedro gets number two. Okay, so Lewis is now up to 193 confirmed kills. Pedro is up to 110. Then you have Javad Iqbal, which I think he did an episode on, didn't he? No, it was some indian guy or. This is Pakistan. He's at 100. You have Mikhail Popkov at 78. You have another colombian at 72. Where's Lonnie? Okay, the first American on this list is Samuel little at 60.
>> Taylor: Well, maybe that's who I'm thinking of.
>> Farz: And the second American is Gary Ridgeway at 49.
>> Taylor: Wow.
Yllerteller: Remember when I thought my sister was missing in Columbia
I mean, these stories are just so many, so much more. Like.
>> Farz: I mean, it's interesting because you look at, like, John Wayne Gacy, and we're, like, so aghast. It's like, he killed 33. He killed so many.
>> Taylor: Still so many.
>> Farz: I'm not saying it's not a lot. He killed 160 less children than this guy did.
>> Taylor: I know it feels like ash just. It's, like, an overwhelming number that you're like. I just can't believe that.
>> Farz: It's wild.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So, anyways, that's my story. If you're ever in Columbia, and a 75 year old, you come across 75 year old named Pedro. Maybe just, go the other way.
>> Taylor: Remember when I thought my sister was missing in Columbia? And I called and I called the embassy because we just weren't sure, you know?
>> Farz: Was that a situation where you went over the top without any reason to, or was there actual reason to?
>> Taylor: well, we just, like, she was, like, newly with her boyfriend. We didn't know much about him. And, like, they went to Columbia, and then, like, she said, she told us where she was going, and then she didn't. We didn't hear from her for, like, three days. So later, she was like, you guys overreacted. But we were like, what? Like, she ended up. They were on an island with no wifi, but she didn't tell anyone, and she, like, had been communicating with us, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah, I, guess the teller is anybody who acts out of character. If something happens out of character for someone, then, yeah, it's probably worth doing something about.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So I called the embassy, and then they were like, our next step was, like, put her pictures and her picture in hospitals and stuff, but we didn't get there because she got off island.
>> Farz: She would have been so surprised.
>> Taylor: Yeah. She, like, gets off the island and I'm, like, standing there, like, trying to find her.
>> Farz: I mean, it sounds, it sounds like it was an awesome weekend on a yemenite. I live in Columbia with no self service. That sounds incredible.
>> Taylor: Doesn't that sound amazing? Yeah, no, I agree. That sounds really nice.
>> Farz: So I went to Fiji and I was like, the number one benefit of being in Fiji was very little service.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah. I feel relaxing. It's cool. Well, thank you. Those are. I haven't heard of those two. Yeah, they're probably because it's so terrible.
>> Farz: Horrible monsters. Yeah. It's my view of, with last podcast when they talked about, like, the most vicious and horrible people and how you don't really hear about them because they're just too over the top. Like, I think about, like, Dean Corll or Charles ing and you're like, anybody who hears those stories, like, wait, why do we talk about Ted Bundy when these two existed? And it's like, well, because they're too bad. They're too. It's too much. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Ted Bundy's like, oh, look at that. He's like a cute little heart drop heartthrob. Like, you know.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, well, they don't mention that he went back and had sex with the dead bodies.
>> Farz: Yeah. You gotta be gotta.
>> Taylor: They got to bring that up a little bit more often with, with Ted. But.
>> Farz: Well, the way they frame it is like, there's nothing charming about these other guys. Like, there's something charming. Like Gacy had a clown costume. He was like a politician. He ran. He owned a bunch of caves. Like, there's something to them. There's an x factor that, like, these guys just don't have. There's a horrible, horrible deviant.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah. Yuck.
>> Farz: So anyways, that's my storyteller.
Fars: Was disappointed you didn't mention monkey business
Do you have anything for us from.
>> Taylor: I do, I do. I wanted to bring up the monkey business thing. I said that Morgan was. Was disappointed you didn't mention monkey business, but then you had a rebuttal to that. So maybe let us tell us what that was again and what happened.
>> Farz: So what happened is that when people think of what happened to Gary Hart, a lot of times they see the picture. There's a picture of Gary Hart with, I already forgot her name. Deborah was her name. Yeah, whatever. Her name was, on his lap on a boat. The boat is called the monkey business. And this was, I think was an antigua. And people see that picture and like, that's what got him kicked out. Of the race. That wasn't it. What happened was all the other stuff around asking the media to follow him and them catching this woman in his going into his house but not leaving, so on and so forth. All that is what led to him being, dropping from the presidential campaign. The monkey business picture came out after he already dropped out, and so that's why I didn't bring it up. But it is an amazing picture. Like, he looks so happy, and it's obviously not his wife. Like, he's over the moon thrilled that this beautiful woman is on his lap. I can't imagine. It's gotta be amazing. Like, you're running for president, everybody knows, everybody loves you. You have this beautiful woman that's on your lap. And there's also rumors that he was paid by Lee, or she. Well, she wouldn't have been paid. There's rumors that Lee Atwater had a hand in trying to get her to get on his lap to take this picture so that they could frame it as oppo. Whatever material later on.
>> Taylor: So silly.
>> Farz: Yeah. When Lee, when he was on his deathbed, he confessed to somebody that he had that photo stage for the express purpose of defeating Gary Hart or getting him. Hm. To drop out, so.
>> Taylor: But Gary Hart and her were dating just.
>> Farz: No, they weren't dating.
>> Taylor: Yeah, they weren't.
>> Farz: No, they say they weren't. They never. They never, ever came back around to saying they did. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Oh, I thought that they were. Okay.
>> Farz: He was married this whole time. He was married to the same woman.
>> Taylor: But I thought that you had said that he was philandering. But he wasn't philandering. He was just being accused of philandering.
>> Farz: Yeah. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Like, he's. He was a good looking guy running for president. I mean. Yeah, it's like. It's like. It's like when you hear Bill Clinton. When we heard rumors of Bill Clinton forever ago, like. Yeah, like.
>> Taylor: Like when you see one cockroach, you know, there's, like, 100 more in the wall. Yeah, of course.
>> Farz: Of course. I don't think there's any human being who has ever reached a level of, like, success and prominence who has not done something like that. Well, Obama. I think Obama is, like, actually one of the few normal, sensible humans, but I think that overall, like, you just when you have that much power and wealth, like, yeah, you just go nuts. Yeah, well, we all want power and.
>> Taylor: Wealth, so we can go nuts. I want to be left alone. I don't really want to go nuts. But, you know, yeah. well, thank you, fars. I also told you earlier that I spent a lot of time updating everything, so everything is on YouTube now. So you can check out our YouTube, ah, channel. doom to fail pod. Same with all the social media at Doom to fail pod. And, if you have anything that you want us to talk about or any suggestions, send us an email at doom to fell pod@gmail.com. or just message us on Instagram. We're there all the time.
>> Farz: Please. And thank you.
>> Taylor: Thank you for listening.
>> Farz: Sweet. Bye, all.