Listen, Farz knew that Taylor was going to yell about this, and she did. Life is hard and if you have the means and opportunity to help people you totally should, it's just really hard to see the 'help' on terms that are wildly unfair. Mother Teresa's legacy involves NOT giving pain medication to sick people, keeping millions of dollars in bank accounts around the world, and truly believing that the more you suffer, the closer you are to God. Which we argue, isn't really helping then is it? Again, you can be religious, that's great if it works for you. Just please don't hurt people in the name of your religion.
Listen, Farz knew that Taylor was going to yell about this, and she did. Life is hard and if you have the means and opportunity to help people you totally should, it's just really hard to see the 'help' on terms that are wildly unfair. Mother Teresa's legacy involves NOT giving pain medication to sick people, keeping millions of dollars in bank accounts around the world, and truly believing that the more you suffer, the closer you are to God. Which we argue, isn't really helping then is it?
Again, you can be religious, that's great if it works for you. Just please don't hurt people in the name of your religion.
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Taylor: There's a lot going on right now
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Orndal James Simpson, case number ba zero nine six.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.
>> Taylor: Ask what you can do for you.
>> Farz: Boom. we are recording Taylor on an uncharacteristic Monday day. How are you doing?
>> Taylor: Good, how are you?
>> Farz: there's a lot going on right now, and, if I stop and contemplate all the different things that are going on that need to be juggled, I will drop the plates that are spinning. So I'm just going to keep barreling forward.
This podcast brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures
>> Taylor: All right, well, then let's just do this. Let's just focus on this.
>> Farz: Let's just barrel forward.
>> Farz: You want to intro us?
>> Taylor: Yes. Hello, everybody. Welcome. We are doomed to fail with the podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures. I am Taylor, joined by farsitive as a host.
>> Farz: I am, fars, and I had my intro reading privileges revoked by Taylor. That's why we're hearing Taylor now.
>> Taylor: You did. It was, it was. You got voted off by me and my husband. I don't know why he gets a.
>> Farz: Vote, but he's kind of biased.
>> Taylor: I mean, it was mostly him, but he was like, you know, it's fair, it's fair.
>> Farz: He knows. He knows this stuff better than I do.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: so, yeah, we go ahead and dive right in, kind of teed this up on the last episode of how I was bouncing between two topics and I got all of one outline done, partially another outline done when that I think was probably going to end up being a better topic. And the reason mostly was because as I got to the end of the first downline, I was like, there's literally no doom to fail story here.
>> Taylor: And then always, I think that's nothing. Okay, but keep going.
>> Farz: And I was like, we have to hold true to our stated mission, which we've always held true to.
>> Taylor: Do we? Okay.
>> Farz: Which we never have. so you know what? I'm actually just going to go with the outline I finished. and, yeah, save the other one for next week or some other time. So anyways, we'll go ahead and dive in.
There are so many cultural touch points rooted in Catholicism that are fun
And you were actually partially the inspiration for this in a really weird, roundabout way because when you did that Poggio broccolini guy.
>> Taylor: Mm
>> Farz: And you start talking about the popes and ancient, you know, catholic stuff, it got me, like, all riled up because that kind of stuff, is really, really interesting to me, mostly because it's so terrifying. It's so sinister and, like, scary, but also kind of, like, sexy. Like, it's weird. It's, like, a little bit of all of them. and I was thinking, like, there's so many massive cultural touch points that are rooted in Catholicism that are just, like, super fun. Well, okay, sorry, not fun. There's, like, big touch points. Let's put it that way. So, for example, I forgot that I wrote down the whole sexual abuse scandal thing here.
>> Taylor: Yeah, that's not fun.
>> Farz: So big cultural touch points. You have the papacy, you have sexual abuse scandals, you have all these amazing horror movies, like the Exorcist. It's all based. It's a concept of exorcism. It's so fun. It's so cool.
>> Taylor: And it is fun.
>> Farz: Yeah. and there was one cultural figure within the catholic church that was, like, super famous. And I was thinking myself that they kind of faded into obscurity. And we don't really talk about this person anymore. And especially given the fact that they're pretty outdated within the framework of today's society. Can you guess who I'm talking about?
>> Taylor: No. Isn't Mother Teresa?
>> Farz: Yes.
>> Taylor: Ah, she's the worst. That's my stance as we start.
>> Farz: Zachary. I don't know if I can say she's the worst. She's definitely complicated. Zachary.
>> Taylor: Okay. I mean, she didn't help people. So that's.
>> Farz: We're gonna get into that check.
>> Taylor: Okay.
So that's literally what we're gonna get into, is the history of Mother Teresa
>> Farz: So that's literally what we're gonna get into, is, is the history of Mother Teresa. And, like, what we think of her in retrospect versus what we experienced when we were kids. I mean, when I was a kid, like, Mother Teresa was the end all, be all. Like, she was kind of like this, like, multicultural, international, kind of, like, deity type figure. She was here in the US speaking of presidents. She was speaking to dictators in other countries. Like, she was doing all kinds of stuff, and she was kind of all over the map. But like I said, she has a very, very complicated, complicated history, as is her charity. So we're gonna get into it.
To fully understand Pope Francis' life, you have to understand hundreds of books
first things first. To completely understand her life. There's about 200 books that are written about her. And honestly, if you really want to understand it, you have to understand every nuanced detail about the Catholic Church, the papacy, the, ascension of cardinals, the ascension of saints, beautification, cannonization, leadership over time, the Vatican Church, the state of global politics, and the economy between the 1960s and 1990s. It is actually probably impossible to fully, fully understand every element of her life. The Catholic Church part is hard enough, I think. But what I was getting at was that I'm, gonna go into, her backstory and just kind of, like, list off a bunch of stuff, because you just got have to accept it for what it is. Because if I try to legitimately explain every detail of her life, it would be like a 15 hours lesson on the history of the church. So we're gonna, we're gonna bypass that. And really, what I'm trying to get to is the salacious part of what we think about her now, not, like, here's when she was born. Here's like, cool, all that stuff, whatever. It's fine. But, like, that's not fun. We're gonna get into the fun stuff. So I'm gonna tldr her life pretty dramatically here.
Taylor Anaez was born on August 26, 1910 in Macedonia
Okay. Okay. So, she was born on August 26, which is actually one day away from my birthday. I'm m August 27, so I'm kind of also a saint. She, was born on August 26, 1910, in the current day country, of Macedonia, which was back then the Ottoman Empire. Her birth name was Anaez. Ah. gonja boy. Geo. I did not practice. I did not practice saying that.
>> Taylor: That was perfect.
>> Farz: Juan's gonna hear this. Like, see, this is what I'm talking about. So, she ethnically was of albanian and indian descent, and she was obviously born into no shocker catholic family, but her family actually wasn't particularly involved in any religious work or, like, push her in the decision to join the church. But she kind of did that on her own volition. and at 18 years old, she left home to join a thing called the Sisters of Loredo in Ireland. And a year later, she was sent to India, where she would teach at a convent. And that's kind of, like, where the myth of her kind of begins. So, m after about 20 years of teaching here, she basically took note of the extreme poverty of the surrounding areas of Calcutta, and at this time. So, 20 years into this. Yeah. So she would have. It would have been, like, the 1940s, 1950s or so. There's, like, a really bad time in India's history. So, for context, what was going on at this time was Mahatma Gandhi was leading a mass revolt against british rule over India. a famine had struck India, killing around 3 million people who have starve to death. You had the, start of the formation of Pakistan, which was only done because Hindus and Muslims were killing each other in India. And so there was a lot of upheaval going on, which also begs the point of stop going into countries and colonizing them. Let them do their own thing, and this wouldn't be an issue.
>> Taylor: So you should write Britain a letter and just tell them no, if you're thinking about it, don't do it anymore.
>> Farz: We're gonna do something even more powerful. We're gonna do an episode on Britain that'll teach them. All 20 of you who are gonna hear this.
>> Farz: So in 1950, she ends up leaving that convent and founding the missionaries of the charity. Sorry, it's called missionaries of charity. That's what it was called. And this is like, again, it's like a whole process. Like, this wasn't just like, I'm just gonna leave being a, nun at a convent and go do my. No, she had, like, write to the pope. She had to go to the cardinal there. Had the cardinal write to the pope, get all kinds of approvals and all this shit. For her to be, like, allowed to do this, it's, like, overly complicated. Yeah. Taylor's kind of rolling her eyes, which I. Which I sense.
>> Taylor: I literally can feel my blood boiling because I think the catholic church is such a piece of shit. But you can continue.
>> Farz: But it's so fun. How can you hate something so fun?
>> Taylor: It damage. It causes so much damage.
>> Farz: So the fun part you're gonna bypass.
>> Taylor: I mean, I, Like, the fun part I'd like to learn about, but I'm not. But I think it's a. It's a net negative for the world. And it's just so weird that these grown ups are pretending to talk to God because I know you're not really talking to God because God isn't real.
>> Farz: So cool garbage, though, if you.
>> Taylor: No, it's just like everything else. Just like a power play, and they just want to hurt people, and they're.
>> Farz: So we're going to get into, Taylor, you're going to be able to go off on a 30 minutes tirade in about ten minutes now, because we're getting into.
The point of this charity was to provide services to the most destitute people
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So the point of this charity was to provide services to the most destitute people in Calcutta. Ah, these are like the untouchables, right? Like, these are the people that, like, nobody would deal with. They wouldn't go into hospitals, none of that stuff. So, she basically established a home for these people to get services, food, shelter, all that kind of stuff. It was essentially just a place for people to die with dignity is how she would refer to it. So, yeah, like I said, these were untouchables, and so she was basically, the only game in town offering this. She would expand the kind of support her missionary would offer in the locations in which they would operate. So, as of today, they have the following. They have 180 homes for the dying, destitute, mentally challenged adults, and people with Aids. There are 61 children homes. There's 27 facilities for lepers, which I didn't even know there was that many lepers to, like, bill. 27 facilities full of them.
>> Taylor: just as a PSA to you, is that, armadillos m carry leprosy, and I know theyre in Austin.
>> Farz: You know what? Im glad you told me that, because I was going to start licking armadillos, and now I wont, so thank you. So, theres five homes for women with AIDS, and then they also run a ton of schools and food shelters and stuff like that. Basically, thats the. And theyre international. Theyre all across the board. who pays for that? We're going to get to that, because that is a big, big thing here, Taylor.
>> Taylor: Okay, good. I'm on the right.
>> Farz: That is when your tirade can start.
>> Taylor: Great.
>> Farz: Once I get to that.
Teresa is like Matthew Perry in the Lincoln commercials
So, as part of the myth building about a Teresa, again, she was meeting with the people all around the world. She was just like. I don't know how to describe her. she wasn't like a school administrator. She was like a. She's like Matthew Perry in the Lincoln commercials. Not Matthew Perry. Matthew McConaughey. She's like Matthew McConaughey in the Lincoln commercials. Like, she is the voice of. In this case, the destitute, but the way that he is the voice of Lincoln.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: Lincoln the car company.
>> Taylor: No, I know what you're talking about. But, like, those commercials are so weird. But I get it. I kind of get it.
>> Farz: Spokesperson. She's a spokesperson. That's what I'm trying to say.
>> Taylor: Okay, okay, okay.
>> Farz: some.
Mother Teresa brokering peace treaty between Israel and Lebanon during 1980s
One thing that you did that I thought was actually pretty cool. So, as we're about to go into, again, literally, like, in the next, like, week or two, is Israel and Lebanon were shelling each other in the 1980s, and there was apparently, like, the front line of this war was in Beirut. And apparently there was like, a. A, children's hospital in the middle. And there's like 37 kids trapped in this children's hospital with both sides shooting past them. And so mother Teresa ended up actually brokering a peace treaty or, like, an armistice between the two sides for long enough for her to go in and, like, bring these kids out. It's like there's some stuff that she's done, though. It's like, okay, that's kind of cool. So. Oh, yeah. And then she died on September 5, 1997. Anyways, moving on. So let's get to the good stuff.
So there was a guy named Ignatius of Loyola
Okay, so several things off the top, and we're going to start with, like, a really fun, old, tiny backstory of the catholic church. So there was a guy named Ignatius of Loyola. He was a spanish priest from the 15 hundreds. And when he was 18 years old, he took up arms for a duke of spanish royalty and in a battle of. In the battle of Papilloma. So. And this is the part that blows me away. This is history. So incredibly fascinating. So this battle took place in 1521, when french troops attack spanish troops to reclaim a part of France slash Spain called Navarrese. As of today, this part is still split 50 50 between them. Is that incredible? Incredible. Like, nearly 600 years, they still are, like, contested as one region. It is. It's like a tiny little municipality. It doesn't matter strategically.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Anyways, back to Ignatius. So, during this battle, which Spain would lose, a, cannonball fired by France shattered his leg, which left him in perpetual pain. And it was through this pain that he says he found Christ in his religious calling in life is how that kind of started. So this kind of kicked off the long tradition, history of the catholic church and the theory that pain brings you closer to God. It's known as redemptive suffering, and it's meant to redeem m you from your sins and therefore bring you closer to Christ also. How cool is that? Redemptive suffering. That just sounds metal.
>> Taylor: No. How fucking convenient it is. You don't have to help anyone.
>> Farz: You're so negative. You're right, you're right, but.
>> Taylor: Right, like, these, like, old women sometimes come to our house, like, once a year and, like, read it from the Bible. And I was like, okay. And then, like, I still want to be mean to them because they have good intentions, but one of them was like, you know, do the whole, like, blessed are the suffering, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like, that m that keeps you helpless.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. That's exactly why I brought that up.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Robin Fox wrote about his experience visiting a house of dying in 1994
>> Farz: Okay, so, okay, so, I mean, so the next. Literally the next words in the outline read. That can be a problematic perspective when you run a house for those dying or who are extremely unwell. So I'm going to name off some people here who had, like, firsthand experience what was going on within this, facility, for the destitute and dying. So Robin Fox, this guy was an academic and anthropologist. Who wrote on his experience visiting the house of dying in the lancet in 1994. He wrote the following. And I'm going to have to parse this out a little bit, because he's using some weird, old timey English. So I don't totally understand. He's american. I don't know why he talks like this, but, I'll get into it. So he wrote, this is a quote on a short visit. I could not judge the power of their spiritual approach, but I was disturbed to learn that the formulary includes no strong analgesics. Do you know what that means?
>> Taylor: No, I don't even know what words you just said, evan.
>> Farz: So, okay. Put it in plain English what he was saying. So, a, formulary is a list of drugs. Analgesics are pain medications. So what he was saying is, I can't say whether their spiritual approach is working or not. I was shocked to see that they literally had on the prescription list of medications. No pain medicine. For these people who are suffering in abject pain.
>> Taylor: Exactly.
>> Farz: The second part of his quote is, along with the neglect of diagnosis, the lack of good analgesia marks. Mother Teresa's approach is clearly separate from the hospice movement. I know. Which I prefer.
>> Taylor: So she's putting you in a hospice and hurting you, and being like this is because God loves you.
>> Farz: Exactly.
>> Taylor: I will say fuck that again.
>> Farz: Well, we're, not even at the part where I was going to say you could go on a tirade. We're not even going. This is a. This is a tirade appetizer. Okay.
>> Taylor: I'm going to stand up and move my body a little bit so I don't.
>> Farz: Another journalist, Mary, Loudon, witnessed nuns, reusing needles. And basically just washing them under cold water to sterilize them.
>> Taylor: Cool. Is that even the right temperature of water?
>> Farz: Exactly. basically, it was a foregone conclusion. it should be understood by now that basically, they had no facilities here at this place. Like, there was nothing. Actually, there's no. It was like a hospital you were going into. Like, there's basically a cot, and you just die, die there. Basically. Almost worse than that, due to what it implies, was that the sisters who worked here were secretly baptizing the dying. So I, referenced it as kind of like a soul snatching facility. I think Mormons collect souls.
>> Taylor: Mormons were baptizing dead people. You baptize your ancestors.
>> Farz: Yeah. Didn't they do. They did. Anne Frank.
>> Taylor: Jesus Christ, you guys.
>> Farz: So, on the one hand, you have people suffering from intense pain who are denied pain relief, which is in line with a long held christian belief and one that mother Teresa held herself, which was suffering in people as a means of reaching God. And then, on the other hand, you have the added bonus of when they die, they will have been secretly baptized against their knowledge when there were Hindus or Muslims to go to heaven.
>> Taylor: It's like when people tell you that, like, a bird pooping on you is good luck. It isn't. They just want you to feel better.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, totally.
>> Taylor: It's the same thing. This is like you're suffering because you can get closer to God. Like, you don't. You're not. You don't have to ever guess that. Real.
>> Farz: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
Knowing the exact finances of an India based religious charity is nearly impossible
So it goes without saying that the conditions, obviously were very sparse and very rudimentary, which would lead you to believe that there was no resources available to these people and that's why it was so sparse and rudimentary.
>> Taylor: Ask that.
>> Farz: That would be an accurate. So knowing the exact finances of an India based and globally operating religious charity is, like, nearly impossible. It's just too far reaching and too vast and too secretive to actually be fully exposed. a person named Sushan Shields worked for Mother Teresa for about ten years, and she wrote a manuscript that, while it actually went unpublished, parts of it were excerpted a bit. And she's the one who exposed the secret baptisms I just referenced. And she also wrote this piece, which is quoted as, our bank account was already the size of a great fortune and increase with every postal delivery. Around $50 million had collected in one checking account in the Bronx about seven years. Go ahead. Sorry.
>> Taylor: No, I just. I don't want to say, like, if you're religious, that's fine, obviously, whatever. Just don't hurt people. Why would you hurt people? What is the point of that?
>> Farz: So, actually, I'm going to go into that piece, too. I actually have a section where I just want to talk about that one piece.
>> Taylor: Okay. I don't understand. Like, she has, like, a scorecard for God that she thinks she's building up.
>> Farz: Yes.
>> Taylor: What is it? Is that it? Okay, we'll talk about later.
>> Farz: Yes.
>> Taylor: Oh, you get you it, actually.
>> Farz: So, seven years ago, there's an italian investigative journalist. His name's. His name's so fun. Gianluigi. Nuzzi.
>> Taylor: Great.
>> Farz: Poggio. Bracolini.
>> Taylor: Perfect.
>> Farz: He published a book entitled original Sin, and in it he reports that Mother Teresa had so much money at the Vatican bank that if she were to withdraw it, she would put the bank in default.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God. And, ok, you're going to tell me who's giving her the money, right? It's just like poor people donating.
>> Farz: Well, so for one thing, real quick on that, for context. In 2022, the bank held the total asset of about $3 billion. How much would you have to have on account to withdraw it and put that bank in the. It would have been the hundreds of millions of dollars. Like, it had to be so much freaking money. And that was the only. Was only one. The other biggest fundraising facility she had was the one that's in the Bronx, and that one's the one where, I mean, 20 years ago the lady said that there was $50 million of sitting in the bank account. Or 30 years ago, there was just money sitting in the bank account in terms of where she gets the money. Everywhere. Literally everywhere. Everybody who's famous, everybody who's rich, everybody who's whatever, who. Basically, the way it was framed in one article I read was that in the 1980s and nineties, Mother Teresa made it so that rich people didn't have to feel like they had to do things for the poor because she was doing it for them. So they're just give her money and she'll just handle it. She loves the poor, let her deal with it. That was basically, Basically the takeaway from, that, It also goes without saying that she was very anti abortion and contraception. She, said at a national prayer breakfast in DC in 1994 that, quote, in destroying the power of giving life through contraception, a husband or wife is doing something to self. This turns the attention to self and so destroys the gift of love in him or her. In loving, the husband and wife must turn the attention to each other, as happens in natural family planning, and not to self, as happens in contraception. So she's nothing. Well, this. Oh, this is the part that follows. She also goes, once the living love is destroyed by contraception, abortion follows very easily. So what she's saying is contraception is like this slippery slope that led to abortion. And we all agree we don't like abortion, we should also ban contraception and also AIDS.
>> Taylor: We can talk about that.
>> Farz: So. Yeah, so she actually did do, She had a lot of homes that were dedicated to AIDS, which is also part of the reason why nobody cared.
>> Taylor: Like, you know, you could also give, you help people not do that is with contraception.
>> Farz: Right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get your point. I thought you were doing a Reagan bit, because also that was.
>> Taylor: I mean, I know anything but, yeah.
>> Farz: That was also part of why nobody was paying that much attention to. To AIDS. The time was because she had all these homes. Like, she had homes dedicated for people with AIDS. It was just like how nobody wanted to help the poor people. Nobody want to help people with Aids.
>> Taylor: So.
>> Farz: So they're like, whatever. Other people will take care of it.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: she also equated abortion to being the greatest destroyer of peace today. So here's the thing. Here's. Here's where I, like, was, like, really thinking about my own perspective on this thing. And I was like, okay, pretend like you're assuming your perspective on this is wrong, and maybe being alive in abject poverty and complete abandonment is better than never having been born. I don't know. My personal assessment of that is, I'd rather just not be born.
>> Taylor: Yeah, and you would never know because you wouldn't be born.
>> Farz: You would never know cause you'd never be born.
People would rather be born than not just write to us, let us know
>> Taylor: It's not like there's, like, baby souls waiting. I mean, maybe they think that that is a thing, but, like, that's true.
>> Farz: So, yeah, I mean, people, listeners, if you would rather be born than not just write to us, let us know.
>> Taylor: I mean, if you can choose to be where you're born, if there's, like, a line and you can be like, you know, it'd be great if I was richer than I am right now.
>> Farz: Yeah, you just, like, roll the dice, and it's like, hey, this time, if you're born, you're born to Bill Gates. Like, cool, I'm going to take it.
>> Taylor: Yeah, that sounds awesome. Perfect. Yeah.
There's been criticism of how Harner charity have portrayed India and Calcutta
>> Farz: so there was also, there's also been criticism in how Harner charity have portrayed India and specifically Calcutta. But mostly what I see of that is coming from, like, indian scholars who are saying it's not as bad as it was. But, but I looked up pictures of India and Calcutta during this time. It looks pretty bad. And not only that, but I was thinking about, like, dude, I wouldn't want to visit New York City in the late. The 19.
>> Taylor: No, I know.
>> Farz: Eighties. Like, what was Calcutta been like back then?
>> Taylor: I know, I was watching the new transformers movie, and they're on the subway in the. In the nineties, and it's just, like, covered in graffiti. You know, you're like, I don't want to say that.
>> Farz: Like, it's not a dig at India, but it's like the whole world was kind of a shithole back then. So, of the criticisms that were leveled against her, Christopher Hitchens do, you know what this is?
>> Taylor: Wait, I think you froze. I heard.
>> Farz: So, I was talking about Christopher Hitchens.
>> Taylor: Who is that?
>> Farz: Okay, so he died a long time ago, but he was one of these, like, british intellectuals who wrote a lot on. He was just very. He was a very countercultural intellectual. I'm trying to think, like, who. He's like. He's like Ben Shapiro, but less annoying and, like, nerdy, you know, like, it's one of those guys. He just talks a lot about things, has a lot of opinions. So he had my favorite assessment, and probably the most fair assessment I read out of anybody, although he was, like, super mean to her overall. his quote is, mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from livestock versions of compulsory reproduction.
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: So, there's also some stuff going on there around, like the missionary aspect of going into another country, and then just like, trying to baptize people and, send.
>> Taylor: If you want to go into other countries and, like, help them and they need help, then I feel like, okay. But like, I don't know, just don't. I don't understand.
>> Farz: So ultimately, she was canonized and she became a saint in 2016. It's, interesting because apparently there's two miracles that have to occur that are directly correlated to you. And so one of them occurred, I think it was in 2008 or something, and it was this woman who had some sort of cancer, but she kept the picture of Mother Teresa right next to where the cancer growth was and the cancer growth went away. And then, like, I read this interview where the husband was interviewed later, I was like, was it Mother Teresa? She was undergoing nine years worth of chemo chemotherapy, and it finally went away.
>> Taylor: That's what I was going to say. Was it like, at her hospital next to the chemo room? Because that.
>> Farz: And then another one happened in 2015, which nobody contested. And so, And so that's when, that's when she ended up getting canonized. But, it's interesting. One thing I also learned in this process. Do you know where the term the devil's advocate comes from?
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: Okay. So the first time that they were thinking about canonizing her as a saint, they brought in Christopher Hitchens, who was acting in the formal sense as the devil's advocate within the catholic church, which was arguing against someone becoming a saint. So they have like a panel. And you come in and the panel is like, we think you should be this. We think this person should be a saint. And then you, as the devil's advocate, come in and say, here's why they shouldn't be a saint. Is that also kind of fun?
>> Taylor: That part's fun.
>> Farz: Can you imagine Keanu Reeves up there?
>> Taylor: Yeah, that's really fun. There was, a, I'm looking, I'm googling him, and he is an anti theist, which I think I've heard this before and I agree with. It's like, if you're an atheist, you can, like, kind of wish that God was real. Like, oh, it'd be easier if I believed in God, you know, but as an antitheist, you're just like, no, I don't. I don't think it'd be. I'd be better if I was. If I was ignorant to, stuff.
>> Farz: You know, I would say that the vast majority of my belief system today was formed by watching Christopher Hitchen videos on YouTube.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: I want to watch them because I've yet to see one where his logic has not been. Has been flawed.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So it's definitely fun watching. Again, he's one of those guys who's like, right. But also kind of a dick. Like, I think. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like Joseph Campbell. I feel like when you see him talking to. Kind of feels that way as well.
>> Farz: I was like, Bill Maher, where, like, I'm like, I. Like, I agree with you. And I also hate. I get why people hate progressives. Want to hear you talk.
>> Taylor: That's right. I think I feel like he did. He made that one movie about God, and I was like, God, this is mean, and I'm mean people who are religious, and I'm like, this was mean, even for me. So, yeah.
>> Farz: Ah. So, yeah, that's it. As of 2016, she's been canonized. She was actually interred in a tomb at the original home for the dying destitute.
Christopher Hitchens says Hillary Clinton never subjects herself to medical treatment
and you can go visit it. It's obviously free. You can go in, you can see her tomb. And there's a. There's a statue of her. She was a tiny woman.
>> Taylor: Very small.
>> Farz: She was so small. I saw a picture of her with Hillary Clinton. She, like, came up to Hillary's, like, hip. Like, she was a tiny, tiny little thing. And, And they also. There have what's called mother's room, which is how she lived. And there is a part of me that's like, there's something in life that I'm missing. Because there's gotta be some joy in living like that. Otherwise, why would you. Well, I guess you have to suffer, I guess you think that's gonna get you to heaven.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And I guess that's. That's the goal, to suffer, to get to heaven so passionately. That's all. It's all that. It matters. And doesn't matter if you. If. I guess if you. It doesn't matter if you hurt people. Because when you see people hurting people, you're like, good.
>> Farz: Well, okay, so. So that's the other part of it that was like, I was dwelling on this as well. I was like, these people, what they call diets. Diets or whatever the untouchables, like, these were like, they were treated like garbage, right? Like, they weren't even treated as humans. And so, like, maybe this was great for them. Like, maybe dying in, like, a room on a cot, even when you're in pain, is better than being outside in the rain and being pissed on by dogs. I don't know.
>> Taylor: Maybe. Or maybe she picked them because it was the lowest, the easiest thing to get into.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Of course, they wouldn't know any better, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. Because the lowest of the low, it can't afford anything. One thing, Christopher Hitchens, that was really interesting. So she had a lot of health problems. Older. She got. She had, like, a heart, heart attack or heart failure. She broke her coma. One thing that he said was like, you'll notice, like, she never subjects herself to the treatment within her own facility. She goes to, like, the best hospitals.
>> Taylor: Of course, she's. Of course, of course. Like, if she had cancer, she would get fucking chemo and, like, do all those things. There's no way.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like, prayer, I think, is fine. I think there's evidence that, like, magical thinking is good for you. No big deal. Who cares? Like, no one's getting hurt. But, like, you have to do that in addition to the chemo, in addition to the pain meds, in addition to the actual help.
>> Farz: Yep, yep, yep.
>> Taylor: You know, man, yeah, she boils. It boils my blood. It makes me mad. It's just like, why would you do that?
>> Farz: Where's the money, dude? How much money has accrued in those accounts? Because, again, these facilities are run like flop houses.
>> Taylor: Like, you just want to hoard money. Like, I feel like I don't. I don't know.
>> Farz: You look at their website right now, the missionary of charities, or missionaries of charity. It looks like it was, like, a 1990s website. Like, they don't invest money in anything. They don't put money into anything. It's like, what's happening to those? It's got to be in the billions by now.
>> Taylor: Like, yeah, it was just like, been sitting there. I don't know. I'm on this. I'm like, googling around.
Are we turning into a religious podcast? No. Yeah, no, totally. Do whatever you want. But, like, also don't believe
One of the things says, I don't know if she said this, but one of the biggest diseases is not leprosy or tuberculosis, but feeling of being unwanted and uncared for and deserted. Yeah, but you can also fix the tuberculosis while you're doing that.
>> Farz: Yeah, well, I think someone like that is so heady about it. That's like we're going to level up from this worldly plane. I mean, yeah, it's definitely interesting. And, man, every time I get into catholic church stuff, I just go so deep, I end up having like 500 tabs open because, like, one thing goes to the next thing, goes to the next, and goes the next thing. It's so fun.
>> Taylor: Yeah, no, totally. I actually was researching how you become a saint because I'm going to talk about a saint next week. Fun as well.
>> Farz: Are we turning into a religious podcast?
>> Taylor: No. Oh, no.
>> Farz: ladies and gentlemen, if you want us to start reading the Bible, I actually, I will go and circuit. It's going to be too ambiguous. I, I know, I know somebody who, I grew up with who, I found out that they were being interviewed on, like, news programs and stuff. And then later I found it was like Fox News and, like, Oan or whatever, and they're being touted like a CEO, tech founder or whatever. And I looked up what it was. It's like an app that if you download it every day, it just, like, takes part of, like, the Bible and just like, sends a push notification so you can read it in your notification. It was like, how? Was this an invention? Yeah, no. Like, even a thing.
>> Taylor: It's so weird. And people, like, have it and, like, read it all the time. I'm like, what do you, what are you getting from that? You know, like, I've read, I've read Dan Carlin's book a couple times. I've read, I think I read all the Harry Potters twice. But I guess, I don't know. I just don't feel, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you're getting from that. And if it's. Again, if it helps you and you feel good, then great. But please don't hurt people. That's the problem.
>> Farz: Yeah, read all the books you want. Do whatever you want. Like, we're definitely not about censorship. Read whatever you want.
>> Taylor: But, like, also don't and believe whatever you want. Just don't hurt people.
>> Farz: Use that as justification. Hurt people.
>> Taylor: well, thank you, Farz. That was really fun. I feel very riled up. I'm going to go stand in front of a fan also, because it's 130 outside, but also, I also meant the thing I forgot to mention in our last episode is, I have new stickers. And if you leave us a review and Apple podcasts or post about us on social, I'll send you one. So if you do those things, please send me an email, doomdefellpod@gmail.com. and I'll send you a sticker. One person's done it so far.
>> Farz: Really? That's so fun. All right, keep doing it, people.
>> Taylor: Yeah, so thank you. We are at doomdefelipod on all social media, doomfelapodmail.com.
>> Farz: and that voice you're hearing is Miles, our new guest host for this episode only. So, yeah, I'll go ahead and cut it off and.