Today we are re-releasing our episode on Chris Watts and the brutal murder of his family. We've said it before and we'll say it again - Divorce. Is. Fine. Yes, it will be annoying and hard and expensive but it's better than murdering your family and ending up in jail for the rest of your life. We just looked it up and looks like Chris is currently a custodian at a supermax in WI - and still somehow getting love letters from women. We'll never get it.
Today we are re-releasing our episode on Chris Watts and the brutal murder of his family. We've said it before and we'll say it again - Divorce. Is. Fine. Yes, it will be annoying and hard and expensive but it's better than murdering your family and ending up in jail for the rest of your life.
We just looked it up and looks like Chris is currently a custodian at a supermax in WI - and still somehow getting love letters from women. We'll never get it.
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hi friends Taylor from dun to fail today we are be releasing our episode on Christopher Watts who brutally killed
his family and did some terrible things to the bodies of his little girls and it's a very sad story and we sa this a
lot but just get divorced like it's fine everyone will survive your kids can go
to therapy please don't murder your family I know we're the only podcast to say that but we really mean it um if you
have any ideas for us any questions questions any concerns please send us an email Doom tood gmail.com we're on all
the socials at Doom toil pod and as a reminder what we're doing is re-releasing our older episodes these
came out last year and we were doing two stories per show but it was getting kind of long so now we um decided to
re-release them in in short in shorter bites and then when we're done with this we'll find other fun stuff to release to
you on Fridays if you wanted to go back and listen to all these episodes in their entirety you always can we're
available everywhere that podcasts are sold for free they're free they're not sold and thanks talk to you soon in a
matter of the people of State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
[Music] country call it a layup of the week
because this story has gotten a ton of play so I usually try and find things a little bit more obscure but I'm G to be
honest I've also had a hell of a week and I went with a layup story so apologies everyone it's something yall
already have probably heard about but I'm going to put my own little spin on it uh I am going to be discussing the
Watts family murders okay yeah I have I
have some opinions to share with you should we start your opinions I want to say number one don't
kill your family no matter what okay but number two sh not Shannon it's shanan or
whatever shanan yeah yeah like Shannon spelled weird seems super annoying sorry
she's super annoying yeah did you watch the the Netflix documentary I did I did she's like super mean to him in like the
videos and like makes fun of him she's like uh my husband's the worst this is why he always does this stuff and just like she just seems like not someone I'd
want to be married to like I mean div people yeah I've been married to
that sorry like this none of that none of that seemed that atypical to me of like
a married couple I thought it was a lot I thought I would never do that like I would never be like like on Facebook be like oh my
husband's the worst because like my husband a is not the worst but be I would just that's so rude like I would
never do that it's just like not in either of our Natures to treat treat each other that way so when I see that people treating each other that way I'm
like just get divorced this is terrible we're not Fighters so I don't know you don't you don't browbeat onean
into submission on a daily basis no we're actually very nice to each other like sometimes we annoy each other but
like for the most part yeah we're fine yeah yeah so I mean look I yeah I here's
the thing I I don't know maybe I wasn't being totally myself as I was going about doing this because I actually
shared your sentiment like but I was just like oh God the way things that happened were just so so bad
it's just like it's like I reflected back I was like God like yeah how could you could you could anybody be that
annoying really yeah no no nothing nothing is no one no one deserves what
happened to her zero I'll say this so like I read I saw a lot of her social media posts and actually I a lot of her posts were very like blowing of him
saying like what amazing father we're so lucky to have you the girls are so whatever this that the other thing
I just there's something really weird to me about like people with like a life or
like responsibilities careers family and things like that being super into like
social media I mean at this point I don't really I don't if it's not about my dog
or it's not about this podcast I don't post anything because I just like why is my life important enough to give a [ __ ]
what other people think you know like it's a weird psychology of like I need everybody to know about my life and care
about it and it's just like I'm here for the likes I'm here for the comments like I don't yeah understand that and she was
like heavy into that which like that would be the part that would drive me insane is like why do you give a [ __ ]
about what these strangers think about like your ultrasound results or like how
you feel about what the girls ate from breakfast or how they were fussy like who who are you talking to when you post
this [ __ ] like that's what will drive me nuts yeah totally so I I'll get to this
okay I'll get to actually being deliberate about this outline and actually like not going on that side rant but so I'll start by saying you
know again this story had been has been poured over extensively you called it out as well and the fact that there's a
whole Netflix documentary on it or series on it and I don't know for sure
but there's got to be at least a dozen plus podcasts dedicated Justice murder because it was both horrific in what
happened and also incredibly stupid the one thing I would say is if you do
decide to do something like this hey you're never going to get away with it for sure like that's never going to happen so always contemplate suicide
immediately after and if you don't don't do this when you have like another 50 to
60 year lifespan ahead of you like that's the dumb part of all this it's like this guy is less than
40 in prison in a solitary cell that's it like that is literally like it's like
dude at least wait until like cancer starts kicking in your liver starts failing like then maybe go this route
but like don't do it befor hand that's my or I mean don't do it first and foremost
um but like or have like a better plan like you were saying you said at one point like send your credit cards to
people around the world and have them use them and then just disappear yeah yeah yeah I got it all worked out I got it all worked out so
and like isn't it John list who like was gone for like a long time because he did it right because he
did it right because he took used only cash okay we need to stop giving people game plans here but the fact that he
took out cash left his car one spot and then just well John list was also lucky
because he was in an era where like there was no cameras there was no social media camera phones yeah like nobody
nobody's going to see him and like take a picture of it and send it to like the FBI Most Wanted like so he had you know
I mean [ __ ] if you're going to do it maybe the time to do it is already over for you but I don't know well there's a
will there's a way right so you carp your way to murder your family so don't
do it don't do it so to your point like this guy didn't fool anyone for even a
minute that he didn't do it yeah it was so obvious and trans transparent so
obviously who I'm talking about is Chris Watts um and yeah it's
it's kind of I'm get into the house because the house is actually like really really terrifying but so the
story here starts in Frederick's wa but get get into that do the terrifying stuff continue well yeah yeah I'm
definitely GNA get I'm not white watching this I'm G to tell you exactly what happened I actually go into details
that I didn't know that Netflix have recovered so we're gonna go even grizzli
on this one than usual again it's kind of a layup story so like a lot of details are kind of out there but so the story is in Frederick Colorado which is
maybe 30 minutes east of Boulder it's an incredibly white and Incredibly middle class town if you street view their home
you'll see that it's just like a very very normall looking Suburban life that
you would live there there's kids parks there's you know it's it's that kind of a kind of a Vibe think I wrote down like
think more Home Improvement than Roseanne like it's not trashy it's just like a notch above that you
know our main characters we're going to start with who you just mentioned shanan not Shannon shanan Watts I know it's
just like oh even so annoying it's not her fault but God damn it it's so
annoying yeah uh she was 34 at the time that this all transpired she and Chris
were married in 2012 after having dated for about two years she worked for even her job [ __ ] drives me nuts she I got
to stop [ __ ] talking to this dead woman she worked for a company that produced and sold a product called Thrive which
seems to be kind of like a health and weight loss supplement Taylor have you ever heard of
a company called Cutco yes like the knives okay I wrote down like I thought
at first that was like a Texas thing how do you was that like a Nevada thing too or California or it's an everywhere
thing you know I think it was like it was one of the like you could you could Cutco sell knives like door too and I
feel like there's like my my husband has a great story where he was like he worked for a day for like a thing selling like meat door Todo like steaks
and like that was something that you could do but now there's just like I mean there's an infinite number of mlms you can get involved in you know
infinite infinite like yeah that's that's what I thought this was kind of like I heard what the business model was
was like this is Cutco this is basically hey I will say Cutco knives are amazing but the entire business model is you
hire a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds have them tell their aunt uncle and parents to buy these knives and they see that
they're good knives like well is it that is it good enough for this price probably not but whatever it's my kid I
love him so I'll buy the damn knife right and that's basically what this was this was like cuz cuz the model I think
is you buy the product so you are the the wholesale drop shipper of the
product so like they make their money because they sell to the salespeople and the sales people have to offload that to everybody else this guy in college did
it was so hilarious he thought he was so smart he went bought [ __ ] like $3,000 worth of these supplements I went to his
apartment we're just going to like hang out or something he just had box this stuff and he was just like this is amazing and like it turned out we
weren't hanging out he was trying to sell me he invited me over to his little Studio to be like this is the best thing
ever anyways I didn't buy it but I love I love when they I love that I want to like I love when they do that and Always
Sunny like they always whenever they do that or someone buys like a ton of supplements and trying to sell them it's like such a hilarious bit they did they
do it on only murders in the building which you should watch if you haven't yet but it's just it's great yeah yeah I
remember my mom getting like roped into a Tupperware parties yeah like all these women would get together and solve
tubberware to each other anyways um so that's what shenan was doing she was
selling this product called Thrive the weight loss supplement essentially and she seemingly made decent money at it
she made about 60 to 70k by some accounts and apparently the product did actually work we're going to get into
that a little bit later uh because there is some thought that this product actually had a hand to play in what
ended up going on she was also a lupus sufferer which which is an autoimmune disease where the body's uh immune
system attacks healthy parts of the body she would discuss lupus quite a bit on
her YouTube channel and her Facebook post again it's just like somebody who like thinks that her life is really important and people should know
everything about her which is like just a I don't know it's personality type that I just don't bond with well yeah
like on the on the note of the Social Media stuff like I mentioned you before like she did talk a lot about her life the kids she talked a lot about Chris it
was just every it's like everything had to be documented yeah exactly like literally
everything like yeah yeah we're on the same page right like they so I actually
have somebody in mind that does this and it's like man like it's it's weird
because like they'll post and like nobody will like or comment but like every day it's like 17 posts about like
what happened today it's just like nobody cares nobody's like maybe the cathar like
just put this in a diary like I whatever are you talking about me and how much I posted on this
podcast no I actually really intervention no no no I actually really
appreciate like I've actually had that thought multiple times where I'm like I should be doing as much as Taylor is doing and I just get like swamped with
work [ __ ] and it's just like I don't want to look at my computer screen like at this point when when I'm doing work
Zoom meetings I tell everyone like I'm turning my camera off I'm walking because my eyes are [ __ ] bleeding from just staring to the screen so I
don't want to do it anymore so that's that's part of my problem but I will try to get better we should talk about that
at some point I'm going to you can do my review my employee review for Doom to fail and tell me how I'm doing um so her
and Chris had two daughters their names were Bella and celest Celeste went by CCE I'm just going to refer to as celest
here and they had a third on the way who would have been named Nico uh Bella was four at this time
Celeste was three and shenan was pregnant at she was for pregnant with Nico this time so I I think four months
is showing right it's a pretty big it's a yeah you definitely have told everybody you know definitely if you're
if you're if you're like conservative and like about it and like worried about it you wait until like three months to
tell people but after that you've definitely told people yeah cool cool yeah Chris himself he was an oil field
operator and by all accounts you know from what you could see because again everything was documented he looked like a happy devoted father and husband he
was always smiling and you know he put on the ACT he put on the show
essentially Chris was apparently also a fan of Thrive that supplement um company
and he was apparently kind of doughy part of the events that we'll be discussing and lost somewhere in their
neighborhood of 35 to 50 pounds through some combination of like using Thrive which is like a patch apparently you put
on like it aderes to your skin and like doses you throughout the day with like a bunch are you trying to sell it to me so
I have a I have like about 50 lbs of these patches here that are waiting for someone to be shipped to so if you just
then though me $600 you will I will send you this box of Thrive oh my God amaz
yeah yeah like apparently this guy got like pretty jacked and ripped and what typically happens when someone is Doby
living one way and then they ended up living a different way that gets them jacked and rip he started looking outside of his marriage for company
which is exactly what ended up happening so that's kind of the secret if your partner starts suddenly getting like super healthy and good looking like
you're headed to divorce City so just keep an eye on that as well he had a mistress who will play into this I feel
pretty bad for the mistress because she actually she had no idea no idea what
was going on totally her name is Nicole kiss kessinger not Kissinger kessinger
and I can actually say her name and not feel that bad for saying it because after this she changed her name and
moved away and we actually have no idea who she is now which say should we say her name so good
for her yeah yeah that's I thought about not saying it at first I was like I probably shouldn't even name drop her this point but later on in the article I
was like she changed her name she's gone like nobody knows who she is some somewhere like she probably went into like Witness Protection Program I don't
know for real I'm sure people were met at her and like she didn't she didn't do anything wrong no I'm going to get into a lot more of her involvement like she
was actually a very good person in this situation in this Dynamic thing so she
the way she met is that her and Chris they worked for the exact same company I think it was called Anna Anna Darko um
and she was a geologist there as he was a field oil field operator that's cool and yeah yeah she was yeah she had her
[ __ ] together I mean that's like when I learned about her and I saw her I was like this was like she thought like oh I met this great person like this is the
start of life and like it was just like now I've a you know what it's like that feeling when like okay I did all the
right things I went to college I got my Master's Degree I became this professional I got hired I have a 401k I
bought my first house like I I'm doing all the boxes and I met this person who's going to be like the next thing that's gonna you know that's how I felt
like that's how she looked in their pictures and um didn't work out that way obviously so Chris had apparently told
her that he was undergoing a divorce from his wife he was like separating going through a divorce and was honest that he had two kids with this wife that
he was leaving so she knew that much but not anything else so let's get into the
actual events this happens so fast which validates how [ __ ] stupid this guy is
is on August 13th of 2018 at around 2:00 in the morning it was like 1:48 a.m.
shenan came home from Arizona from a business trip she was on that same day so the morning later on that morning she
had an OBGYN appointment that she didn't go to and she was also supposed to attend a really important work meeting
that she also missed and she wouldn't respond to her text messages so her friend someone named Nicole ainson grew
concerned and went to the house to check on her so I don't know if you're gonna say this but that girl is a badass hero
like if you saw the video of her she was like I'm not going to let this go and yeah I remember thinking kind of you
need yeah I know I was also looking at from the perspective of Chris of like man she is gonna blow up my spot oh yeah
no he knew as soon as she got there he he knew that he was like as this isn't going to last more than like a day you
know CU she was not going to be like she was not going to let it go she is just best friend of the decade award to her
yeah she was a dog with a bone absolutely absolutely and like you can tell like that is not a woman who moves
easily like she was going to stand there until this was figured out like she was not never to back down anyone yeah
exactly yeah he he was [ __ ] from the second she took an interest because
because her interest in this yeah like her interest in this is why like there was never really a chance to like digest
anything absorb it what's going on what did I just do how do I get out of this where's my cash where's my passport like
she got in the middle immediately amazing congratulations you are the you're the best exactly exactly
so she's there obviously nobody else is she sees that um shanann's cars in the
garage it's got a window she can see through it she calls Chris expressing concern of what's going on then she
calls a police so the police arrive they do a welfare check and there's obviously no sign of shenan or the girls none of
the belongings you would expect of someone leaving a house were actually missing so like her keys her phone prescriptions because she was a she had
autoimmune disease she had to have yeah medication with her all this stuff was at the house Chris comes home in the
middle of this and Taylor have you seen any of the body
cam video of this that's what I was talking about yes so he was just like and what's her friend's name again
Nicole Nicole and Nicole is like no this this this like it's incredible like
that's yeah that's what I've seen I have I have the body cam image like ET to my
brain I actually didn't watch it I was researching this because I've like read about this case so much before in the past the way he walks up to the house
it's like that was the moment it just snapped of like I'm [ __ ] like this is the oh when you have to be on the news
being like please come home didn't even he even opened his mouth and the look in
his face is just like this is the end like and it was he was right because he
had a horrible horrible Poker Face throughout this entire thing anybody who has a remote interest in this case I
mean obviously the Netflix documentary incorporates the body cam image like there's a lot more like there's a lot of
body cam imagery or videos that you can go watch of like this entire interaction he has with the police he has with
Nicole he has with the neighbors like this guy was inundated like think about this obviously spoiler alert you just
killed three members of your family and a fourth of was on the away you spend the entire night getting rid of the
bodies then you went to work yeah yeah and then and then you you come back to
this scene of what you just did the cops are there you have your neighbor there you got Nicole there the immovable
object and you're just like he knew that moment that it was kind of over and you could see it
written on his face completely so you [ __ ] you got caught immediately yeah he just looks totally deceptive totally
Shifty and actually wrote here it's irrelevant we we discussed already but I
wrote that maybe if Nicole wasn't so on the ball he would have had time to gather himself yeah but he didn't
because she was just right there just Johnny on the spot guess yourself a friend like Nicole yeah no kidding I saw
one video U where the neighbor where one of Chris's neighbors he's with Chris and the police and he goes hey I have a
camera that captures part of their driveway if shenan left mysteriously we should be able to see it on this video
he Chris again we have it's all TI I'm only laughing because it's like you you were you are the worst you did like you
thought of nothing thought of nothing can you imagine what must be going
through your mind and your chest if you're Chris in this situation he's just like oh that's great let's look at this
video he has no idea on it oh my God we're going to find it later they might have just captured him loading her
corpse in the back of the car but yeah that's what he's cuz he has no idea where it's pointed to so they go to the
neighbor's house the police and Chris go to the neighbor's house and you can't make anything out like it's it's like
obscured the truck's too big there's bushes in the way you really can't see what's going on but as the video starts
playing there's a point when Chris looks away like he like turns his back to the video almost like just like [ __ ] this is
it and then he turns around and he has his hand he really he picks himself up he's like oh I can't I have to look at
the video I have to express concern my family so he looks at the video then he puts his hands on the top of his head
like he's being arrested he's just it's not good it's not it's not funny but like it's funny just because like he's
yeah just like couldn't have 24 hours ago yeah was a totally
thing for this dude not even it wasn't even 24 hours it was way less than it was like maybe like 12 hours yeah
totally different life at one point Chris walks away I think he like left to
go move a car or something in the body cam video captures the neighbor look at the cop and say yeah he's acting weird
which he was he was everybody could tell he was just not being himself being normal there's another video that you
just pointed out where he's on the news pleading for shenan and the girls to come home and this is so cringeworthy
because like he says it in this tone that is so dead pan so devoid of feeling
and his eyes are just like black and it's like I what are you suppos to do I
miss the Bright Eyes of smiles of my daughters please come back come back and
he's like looking at the camera and just like it's like the most poorly acted thing you've ever seen in your
entire life yeah which yeah like what are you he has no choice are you supposed to do right yeah you have to
I've seen so many of those where like you know people are on the news and like the in-laws are crying and like you're
in there you're like you know what happened and what are you supposed to do oh my gosh it's C you tell him you're
going to get coffee and you just [ __ ] leave like that's what you do another yeah CU
you're never G get out of it well like okay maybe you'll talk about this eventually but didn't the other Peterson who killed his wife didn't he like tried
to Le to Mexico and dyed his hair and he got yeah but yeah but he was stupid because he stopped to go golfing he
stopped to do a back nine on the golf course with his dad with with like a wig in the back of his car with like a
$100,000 it's like dude you got all the evidence that prove your flight risk on
you you don't have three hours to play golf today like right right white people
problems yeah continue seriously so Chris apparently he goes willingly to the police station because he's not
under arrest at this point they're's like they don't they don't know anything right they don't know if anybody's dead so they he goes there to answer
questions and he also goes to take a polygraph test he obviously fails the polygraph when asked to get anything to
do with his wife or the kids disappearance the police Grill him on this and at first he maintains his story
that he has no idea what happened to them by this point that was the story I have no idea what happened to them and
then his dad is at the police station and he asks to see his dad and again just like going back like you got to
remember like you know you look at him and you're like what a you look at the pictur of as a family like what a wholesome dad looking guy you remember
some people can look normal and be totally more complete morons on the inside like this guy was one of those
guys who just seemed like a normal All-American dude and had rocks for brain M he's being taped obviously in a police
interrogation room and he brings his dad in and he whispers to his dad as though he doesn't think that people can hear
him whispering to his dad that he confesses that he killed her he tells her I killed shanan and the dad's
concerned puts his hands on his shoulder like what happened son you can tell me and then he starts like coming up with the story like he literally just kind of
invents the story in the spot saying that he walked in on he said that he
told told her that he's having an affair she flew into a rage killed the
girls so he in a rage killed her and the dad's just like I mean I guess you know
I mean I don't know if you're a parent I guess you believe what your kid tells you because you don't want to believe the alternative and so the dad very
concerned and is like y Yad y so anyways that's what's going on and the police
come back in and he starts kind of unraveling and telling this this story
and I wrote here that I I really loved watching the police interview of of Chris because they're just so good and
patient about drawing out the lies and teasing them apart one by one part of this methodology is like she's the bad
one right we all know she's the bad one you're the good one you did it for a reason it makes sense like think about
it this way like he they break it down Lie by lifee so during this process he goes from I've no clue what happened to
I'm having an affair to I told her I want a divorce to she killed the kids to
then I had to kill her ultimately ending with the bodies are in a crude oil tanks at my work
that's the the disparity of the the hours long conversation they had here so the prevailing theory is that Chris and
shenan got into a fight the morning she came home from that work trip Chris essentially saying that I'm having an
affair and I'm leaving you basically Chris strangled her in their bedroom and Bella walked in on him doing this he
then wrapped shenan in a bed sheet and placed her in the back of his work truck the floor of the back seat not the bed
of the truck and then placed the two girls in the back seat as well but
they're alive right yeah they're alive and they were asking him what's wrong with Mommy and he was like yeah the most
sociopathic unbelievable thing I can possibly imagine I was like wondering like what
are you thinking I mean it just supped to be like total panic but like oh my
God don't strangle people well like I said earlier maybe we need I I there's things I want to strangle so maybe like
a fake Strangler that you could strangle like a stress strangling thing because you're so angry at the world but like
God I mean if he's gonna kill the girls anyway like why make them sit through that drive yeah that's why I didn't
understand I was like why didn't you just do it at the house if you're gonna maybe he didn't know he was going to do it maybe he was just like true he was
trying to figure out what to do yeah maybe like that drive to wherever he was going was the time he like decide oh I
guess I have to do it now but like why yeah because like because I'm trying to do the math on this hold on let me do
seral killer math real quick so like okay let's say you just killed your wife and you have two kids and at that point
if you have even paid any attention a true crime you know that you're going down for it because it's always the husband every single time yeah so at
that point once you I mean you just kind of take off with the girls right like why do you need to oh you know what oh
oh I'm sorry I forgot he was stupid this [ __ ] he thought that he could do all this and start a whole new life with his girlfriend Nicole that's what it was
that's the logic that's I told I I was like I for keep forgetting this guy's really really dumb okay sorry back on
track now um so the field where Chris worked was about 40 miles from the house
and that's where he ended up taking all them I don't know exactly how long it took but I would assume it take at least
40 minutes maybe 60 Minutes to think about what to do once you get there and once you arrived to the oil field he
took shanan out and dropped her face first into a shallow grave which
apparently resulted in a partial birth of the kid cuz you like just plopped her down the belly just compressed oh no
gross yeah really really gross that's horrifying yeah he then drove a bit
further up to near the oil tanks and took Celeste out of the truck and strangled her before dropping her into
the oil tank this is a tank this is a huge it's so scary to me
it's so dark it's such like a dark huge it's like this is where like they fill
barrels oh my God from this is it's crazy scary yeah this is
horrifying he he then turned his attention to Bella later on he would say
that he was surprised at how much she struggled saying this is a quote little qu Bella had a had a will to live out of
the three bella is the only one that put up a fight yeah e yeah yeah it's worth
KN that after like after like the conviction and everything he kind of gave up the whole story about Shan he came clean basically about everything so
that's why we we had these we have a lot of quotes about this from him so he then took Bella and dumped her
body in the other world tank there was two tanks sitting next to each other he later would say quote I
couldn't this is so protest the way he phrased this I I understand what he meant but the way he phrased it was
really grot Tas the quote is I couldn't believe how easy it was to just let her drop through the hole and let her go I
heard the splash when she hit the oil the part of this like roest is like where he's like I can't believe how easy it was to let her go because like I get
what he's saying but it's like you're letting your daughters you know I mean it just hits different wow so so turning
back to Chris's girlfriend Nicole on this day the day of the Murder She uh he
texts her saying that his wife had taken the kids on a play date and never returned she ended up learning that
Chris was still married because of that news report mentioned earlier that was absolutely just like gut-wrenchingly
cringe she would ask him about his family and he would just kind of avoid answering questions or change the
subject so like she's getting that like something is happening here because I mean if she watched the same video that
we all did of that interview it's obvious that there's something going on here yeah she later would State quote it
got to a point that he was telling me so many lies that I eventually told him that I did not want to speak to him
again until his family was found so she was like setting that boundary like no no no like you're something's going on
you're doing something like you can't talk to me anymore going back to so shortly thereafter you know this trial
became the trial itself was actually really cut and dry because Chris pled guilty to the murders like there is no
what's the defense there's like there's zero way to defend this case right so he
confessed to the murders he pled guilty he was only spared the death penalty because shannan's family requ of the
state not pursue it thinking that like there's already been enough death we don't need to kill somebody else in the middle of all this that's nice of them
but it's is it though because to me I'm like I imagine the life you had and then
imagine that you're in a Cell for 23 hours a day and you're like 33 years old
like I think I would rather take the needle totally no you're right so I feel like they they were like so who knows
what they were actually thinking but maybe they're like let that man suffer by himself for the next 50 years a piece
of [ __ ] yeah yeah he um yeah he received five life sentences without the
possibility of pro and then another 48 years for the unlawful termination of Shan's pregnancy and another 36 years
for three counts of tampering with the deceased body for what he did then after they were dead he is being housed in a Maximum
Security Prison in Wisconsin now he had to be moved around quite a bit because his profiles were or his crime was so
high profile and because he committed this crime against his own kids that he's not allowed to mingle and
he can't socialize with general population because some people will kill him like immediately right it's presumed
now that he's in protective custody and that he's in solitary confinement which essentially means that he's in his cell for 23 hours a day he gets one hour out
for wck time and that's basically it he essentially has no interactions with any other human being in real life wow so in
person yeah I don't recall where I heard this but I do remember hearing that he
sometimes will have visual hallucinations where he will see the girlss in his prison cell with him which
yeah like I totally believe this I think that you know again like if like again
he's not even 40 he's still in his 30s and you know you have a minimum 30 to
like 60 years left wow till you die in this prison cell like you're probably going to start seeing [ __ ] yeah
apparently hope they haunt the [ __ ] out of him it's got so oh man like yeah yeah
because like you know what like I'm not going to say I get it but okay you went into a blind rage you killed your wife
okay but then you have like an hour to think about this with your kids like
that's the part of it that is like the hardest one for me to like actually digest it's like yeah what he did to the girls like that's so next level
crazy yeah so do he should be haunted for sure but um it hasn't stopped uh his
adoration from women so he apparently gets a ton of like sexy photos and
letters and stuff like that from women who are in love with them so yeah that's
a whole subet hard is dating dating that hard like I don't
know I just feel like it's that hard that you have to like rate someone a murderer an email or I don't know I mean
dating someone well adjusted is hard obviously these women are not well adjusted right is that safe to say like
they're probably yeah probably some like cobwebs and bats in their brains floating around
there I yeah and I don't yeah I don't I don't I don't get it I don't know what it is like is it it's there's something
real I don't know like I I don't understand what could possibly be when you find when you're like I have to it's
a convicted murderer I feel like I remember reading in the beginning of this people were like there's no way you did it I love you and you're like he
said he did it what is wrong with you is I feel like this is another plug for
widow or W you because women in their 30s are getting desperate so may they
could find a widow who's like a Widow by not murder who's a Widow by not murder ises
anyone a marketing executive that wants to talk to me about Widow o you please give me a call we're trying to get we're
trying to get famous people um if we can get and help widows you know what that
is that is the sweetest reward of all so the house itself um Saratoga Lane they
purchased a house in 2013 for just shy of $400,000 the house was listed for sale
starting in April of 2019 I don't actually have the very very first original price that I was listed
for but counting the price changes um there was 19 price changes from when the
house listed until a few months later in July of 2019 ultimately the house ended
up being priced somewhere around $415,000 at which point the listing was just completely removed somebody yeah
just the listed the house I I actually don't know what happens in these situations like I would assume so Chris
owns the house but obviously he's in jail so his assets and his
liabilities I don't know what happened well is there like a a is that what the
Civil Trial for for like um what's it called like like the money that like for the family to like get money like like
the like Ron Goldman's family you know that's where they were able to like Sue and try to get the money now that they
didn't do it for the money but isn't that the one where money's involved so they did they didn't have this yeah yeah
it's it that's where the punishment isn't prison it's money but they didn't
have that I mean Chris has nothing right like he has no assets he has nothing let's like maybe maybe oh you know what
actually maybe maybe it would have gone to shenan estate maybe it would have gone to shenan estate and then if she
didn't have a will then it would have just gone to her parents because her kids are dead so yeah oh it goes It goes
up to the parents so maybe it was it was them that actually started list in the house yeah but yeah you I can't believe
no one bought it though I mean it just feels like seriously you can't believe nobody bought it yeah I can't believe no
one bought it cuz it's like a nice house and a nice neighborhood and like what else like they should they could sell it for like half that you know just like
get rid of it that don't so disgusting that is what a
that house would scare the [ __ ] out of me totally but they don't want why but they don't want it anymore I would just want to be like get it out of my
everything I never want to think about it again oh oh you're saying the family yeah okay okay yeah yeah just list it
for like $50,000 we give a [ __ ] just like get it get it sold yeah I want absolutely nothing to do with this place get rid of it somehow some way this
house was purchased like what would it be it would be four months ago really like four
months ago the house sold and it apparently sold for $600,000 whoa that's way more yeah way
more I don't I don't maybe I don't know maybe like the bad vibes wore off but
$600,000 for that house seems like a lot I mean that is you're living on a in a ghost house
like well well yes but there's PL I feel like you're advocating I feel like you're
really advocating for this house well no I just feel like I feel like there's tons of murder houses like that Los Angeles murder house that was so cool
like fascinating where that guy killed his family and then like it was like a time capsule inside and they said there were like Christmas presents that were
still there cuz it happened on Christmas Eve and like all this stuff that was like real fun and spooky and then someone bought it and they gutted it and
then they ran out of money so they just like sold it again gutted and it was like that's super disappointing cuz it was really cool like a cool 60s Time
Capsule and like you stayed at A Haunted House Hotel once didn't you yeah yeah but didn't we talk
about buying that house like pulling a bunch of our money together having like multiple multiple people go in and too
yeah but but I think it's a gener I think it's like um Generations removed thing so I think that if the people who
were killed would have been dead anyways that is the right amount of time to wait
before living in a merker house I think that's fair yeah okay so so like so hold on so okay so the youngest would have
been Nico so he hadn't been born yet so let's say this happened in 2018 so let's say he probably wouldn't
live past 100 so like in 2120 is like when that house isn't
officially scary anymore I think that's her that's the rule just made it up yeah but I mean it's a long time to wait I
know I know especially with modern house I'm going to actually be seeing at that point but yeah we're in a we're in a
recession yeah yeah who can who can can wait um but that's the case and like I
said like look I know everybody's heard about I try to find more obscure stuff I'm going to find more obscure stuff for next week but I said this week was a
nightmare um and also this case is incredibly like red flaggy and horrible
and again like I mean okay so going back to the theme of the show a big red flag
is don't let your partner get fit that's a really bad sign like just dose them
with like bacon grease their coffee or something like don't let them I mean they're trying to run away if they're
trying to get fit I just wonder like this like Middle America life what is
that like you know when like the mom has the MLM and all of these social media
posts talking about her family trying to I don't know what become an influencer and then the dad is like
not great and there's like all it's so cliche it's such like a it's
such like a middle it's a middle of America boring story
yeah yeah two and a half kids the dad has a mistress yeah it's um it was very
Middle America yeah except it ends in a not middle American way it ends in
Halloween Town is where it ends yeah H those poor babies yeah just Le abandon
your kids abandon your kids abandon your kids Dro them off somewhere they had
family that like would like he could have dropped them off at shanann's parents house and he could have driven for at least a week you know he by the
time Nicole showed up the kids would have been like waking up he could just left him there could left him there
you're right like yeah like it's like daddy's taking his passport in this wig and just leaving like do that he's gone
yeah and they'll find him in like six to nine days tops you know but at least the
girls are still alive he legit thought that he was just going to like move on with his life these guys are he's so
stupid stupid what an [ __ ] what a [ __ ] G yeah anyways
anyway that is our story for this week we will have more next week uh are there
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