This week Taylor goes way back before year 0 to talk about Cleopatra and her bf Mark Antony. 2000 year old spoiler alert. > She’s powerful and also a woman, and also had another bf named Julias Ceaser. NBD. Everyone dies horribly. Farz talks about this horrific more recent story of Chris Watts and how he’s the absolute worst and killed his family. If you are ever in the middle of murdering a group of people and you stop to think, maybe I don’t have to murder EVERYONE in this group? You are right! Just leave, stop murdering. Go away. #hottakes Follow us on Instagram & Facebook! @doomedtofailpod
This week Taylor goes way back before year 0 to talk about Cleopatra and her bf Mark Antony. 2000 year old spoiler alert. > She’s powerful and also a woman, and also had another bf named Julias Ceaser. NBD. Everyone dies horribly.
Farz talks about this horrific more recent story of Chris Watts and how he’s the absolute worst and killed his family. If you are ever in the middle of murdering a group of people and you stop to think, maybe I don’t have to murder EVERYONE in this group? You are right! Just leave, stop murdering. Go away. #hottakes
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Photos of Cleopatra and women who’ve played her via the public domain.
Watts fam via People, Good Housekeeping, & NBC
Other Notes:
I listened to a ‘rest is history’
“Roman Empire” on Netflix
Definitely some Dan Carlin in there
https://www.history.com/news/10-little-known-facts-about-cleopatra
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
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[Music] okay Taylor we're recording accepts you
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accept okay so we'll go ahead and get started welcome to Doom to fail the podcast
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where one of us is gonna be sick for a while and this time a sailor's turn between
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here by Taylor my co-host hi Taylor hello how are you
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I'm probably better than you yeah I was sick this like this morning I couldn't really talk when I woke up and
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now I feel like a little bit better but still like kind of dizzy yeah so we were discussing changing up the production
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schedule and Reporting more than one of these a week so that we can have moments where we're sick and not have to hop on and record while feeling shitty so we've
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got a realization and stuff yeah exactly exactly
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um so Taylor we're gonna go through our drink schedule at this point so why
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don't I tell you mine and then you can tell me yours mine is going to be of course which is a tasty Rockies because we're going to go to Colorado for the
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True Crime set of our story today so for my drink we're gonna be having some cores because we are going to be in
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Colorado for the true Prime side of our story today and Coors is a taste of the Rockies apparently they say that they
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brew it using water from the Rockies I believe but mostly they're famous because their cans turn blue or the
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mountain turns blue when it's cold enough to drink so I don't know why I'm giving people a lecture on what Coors is
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as though people don't know it's like most ubiquitous beer in the world but there you go I'm like is there is there a course that's not a Coors Light is it
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like a not light course I feel like I've seen like a yellow tan
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or champagne colored Coors before that feels like that might be the regular cores that's right it's like a champagne
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color dude right yeah but good for them because they're marketing and branding people because that's more I mean what I
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think of course I think Coors Light actually totally I feel like I wouldn't I don't
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know anyone who's like oh I'll just have a good Budweiser not light but I don't know what that tastes like so maybe I should try that too but like you're like
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I want to buy I'm gonna drink a lot of these so I'm gonna Pretend This is like a diet food yeah exactly exactly yeah
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another podcast idea will women us about different alcohol things that we like
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um Katie of the Schmidt Clan I'm calling them uh texted me this
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week saying there's definitely farting they listen to the last episode and said there's farting from seven minutes to 11
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minutes I went back and listened people it is my dog who would record themselves
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farting and then publish it publicly and advertise it publicly like why would I
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do that I'm sure people do that and they get a lot of money for it but that's a whole different ball game that's another
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genre we are not because this is not the demographic I'm shooting for here I it's obviously coming from my end but why
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would I do that because so Luna's gonna shake when she shakes her color makes sounds then she'll tap on glass which
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she wants to be let out or she'll like wine in the background like I need to figure out it's a dog it is I would
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never deliberately record myself forwarding and then posting it publicly
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to the world so I don't know Kincaid Katie y'all have a very similar
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perspective on this um yeah maybe it's a you problem it's a them problem
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anyways that's my rants that's my my quick rant for the day but I'll um okay so let's get to your drink Taylor
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awesome so I actually I also have a little bit of um notes from last week and some things I wanted to share
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um I'm drinking a hot toddy because my throat hurts but it has nothing to do with my story
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are you actually drinking a hot toddy uh-huh that is awesome I love how I made it it's delicious I made it out of honey
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and a little bit of lemon and some tea and some whiskey did you use regular lemons yes okay so here's a secret to like a
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phenomenal hot toddy use Meyer lemons which are sometimes hard to come by
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they're a little sweeter they add this little kick to it they just completely because it's acidic so it balances out
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the you know harshness of the um the bourbon which is amazing so yeah nice we
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really need to start an alcohol podcast I think amen that's on the side um it's the thing that's going to kill
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me so that's cool um cool okay so I have some notes from
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last week re Joe Rogan Juan from California says vars is on the
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wrong side of the Pitchfork on this one sorry one from California how convenient is this Juan Carlos your husband it is
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my husband yes it's also a Rick and Morty reference which I thought was funny
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um and then George from New York who is my friend George she lives in New York says here's what I'm willing to agree
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with about George Joe Rogan he has a podcast he has guests he has an audience thank you for coming to my TED Talk I
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mean he nailed it yep all true all true I also have been
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having like a rough week in general because I'm just like wasn't feeling well and so I've been thinking like I
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should be nicer to people who believe in God and not be such a jerk about it and have some balance but I'm also just so
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mad and I also saw something this week from a dad on LinkedIn who's like how
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can dads do work-life balance and I've just like never been so mad after reading that and so I was like I just I
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was wondering if there's some sort of like strangle thing you can buy to like strangle it to like get the rage out that's where I'm coming from
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I don't have children so I don't understand the sentiment uh it's just
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like it's like a mom thing does have no problem dads get paid more money dads are fine you know
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so whatever um I've been kind of mad this week um and another thing I've been annoyed
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about is which I've slacked you about is I've been like hey everybody like our podcast and read it and then like no one
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does it and I'm like just do it because I'm a terrible salesperson so I'm just like I said so so do it so I'm gonna work on our pitch
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I just added us to LinkedIn I'm just trying to get in front of more people so I mean you gotta you gotta offer people
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something like I offered in that Facebook channel to send people autographed pictures of our face nobody
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took us up on it 35 people saw it and like two people liked liked it so no one wants that I don't know we have to think
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of something else we gotta think of someone else okay yep alcohol recipe book by farz and Taylor I love that I
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love it yeah so I also before I get started wanted to say thank you to some people who are actively listening
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um to especially Christine and Kelly who've been giving me a lot of feedback and I know they listen to it every week
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and it's really fun so thank you both okay so now I'm after I've that's those are my notes and kind of where I'm
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coming from but so of course we're doing like relationships and
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events and things that are that are failures throughout history um this relationship is one of the ones that kind of comes up first whenever you
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Google historical relationships that were like tumultuous and ended in tragedy so I also was making a timeline
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that I showed you and I'll post it on our socials but I'm like what timeline am I in when I'm talking about my
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historical things and so much of it is like after 1600 which makes sense because there's records and tracks but
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there's so much stuff it happened before that so I'm like how can I find stuff that actually is ancient and then it
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gets me into my two types of existential dread have like the future existential dread
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like when will the robots kill us when will we kill each other with nuclear weapons when will the aliens kill us
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when will nature kill us how will nature kill us you know all those things that are normal you gotta stop watching the
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news I know I also have historical accidental dread which is like what
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don't we know how can we possibly know anything how are we Gathering these stories from like remnants of clay pots
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and coins and there's just so much that I don't know about and I wish that we knew more so anyway this is the best
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that I can do in 20 minutes of a topic that people spend their whole entire life studying from like bits and pieces
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of pottery and the stories of the victors so I don't know I don't know this is true it's kind of true and it
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might as well be true it doesn't matter it's very stressful is your point that whoever
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wins is the one who defines us yeah that's fair
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the story is I just don't know but I'm gonna tell you as much as I can about Cleopatra and Marc Anthony
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well that's a great one yeah you know what when you said the oldest story I thought Cleopatra was like who was the
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guy and I kept thinking it was that guy who calling Farrell played in that movie
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The biopic where oh my God this is I'm like I have to edit this out this is terrible what's her name Angelina Jolie
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was the mom remember and then the ass but killed her the ass kills Cleopatra
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potentially so who's calling pharaohs wait Colin Farrell's Marc Anthony then I am right
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right I guess I didn't watch that but probably there's also Caesar she also was with
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Caesar for a little bit so we'll get to that uh hold on I'm gonna look this up right
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now what is the movie I I didn't watch that Alexander that's what it is okay
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has something to do with your story yeah I definitely have to edit this out well it's like similar you know there's this
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there's so many there's so many stories like of these dramas and there's so many civil wars in this story that I'll talk
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about it just it's constant battle so if you're thinking of like what it was like to live at this time and we are pre zero
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so we're in the BC times which is as I've already said it's really hard for me to go backwards I'm in time but I'll
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give you some dates um so we start starting BC in this story and I I didn't
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watch as that many like dramas but I did listen to arrest this History Podcast
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definitely I've learned the story from Dan Carlin I watched ancient Rome on Netflix which is like half documentary
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half show which was kind of fun and I also just was looking at article on
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history.com and then um I also I don't know if I told you this but when I was a little a little
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girl I wanted to be an egyptologist that was like my dream I like pretty cool yeah hey do you think do you think we
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should go to Dan Carlin and ask him for sponsorship money at this point given that we plugged him like every other
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episode uh yes
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okay I don't know how to get a hold of him I guess we need an agent okay this process this might be a longer process I
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thought does anyone know Dan Carlin tell him we said hello just write to us and let us know
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um oh he's the best yeah so I just loved ancient Egypt history I think it was like I don't know if it's still a big
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thing for like kids to know a ton about but I have like hieroglyphic stamps and
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I remember in like the 90s when my family moved to Las Vegas and the Luxor was brand new I was just like Oh I
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thought you know just so excited about it so loved hearing the history of of Egypt because it's super interesting
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it's also interesting as I like learn more like the civilization of Egypt didn't change for thousands of years and
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now this story is going to be the very end of Egypt as like being ruled by Egyptian pharaohs so we're at the tail
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end of it so speaking of till end and timelines here are our main characters this is Julius Caesar he was born in 100
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BC there's Marc Anthony it's not Anthony it's Anthony
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a-n-t-o-n-y born Marcus Antonius in 83 BC and then in 69 BC Cleopatra the
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seventh philippator was born in Egypt so just thinking about about oh Christ so
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here's just like a little bit of their ages these are 17 years older than Marc Anthony he's 31 years older than
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Cleopatra and Marc Anthony is 14 years older than Cleopatra if that matters I'm gonna tell you how
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old they are it doesn't matter or no I mean kind of I mean we have talked about like huge age
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differences I think 31 years is a big age difference for sister eating yeah but but you know they also are very
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similar early like the similarly politically inclined and everything so I don't think it was just that but it is a
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big a pretty big difference so this is something that like I said someone would spend their whole entire life studying
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and talking about and I'm going to try to do it in 20 minutes but I'll try to Benchmark some dates around Cleopatra and her life and then also remember
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we're going backwards because we're in BC time so Julius Caesar in a nutshell
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and I think I mentioned him in the Nero episode as well he is a general and a dictator of Rome he was a big part of
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the end of the Roman Republic so at this time when we're in like the 50s the 50
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bce's Rome is having a ton of Civil Wars so specifically he's Caesar is in a
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civil war with Pompey so p-o-m-p-e-y who was once part of the triumvirate which
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is a group of three who ruled Rome together around 60 BC so that was Pompey Caesar and Crassus were trying to kind
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of stop the Roman Republic and turn it into an Empire and they have the triumvirate which was like the first
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group of people being like we're gonna over our rule is higher than that of the
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Senate of like the Democratic role yeah this is just expansion right it's like a land grab yeah so Pompey it was
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one time from time for it him and Caesar are potentially like they're friends like they're talking about you know doing
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this ruling together and pomping Mary's Caesar's daughter Julia and by all accounts they did really love
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each other but Julia died in childbirth and it devastated Pompey and his relationship with Caesar was never the
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same which is like a lot of this probably wouldn't have happened if Julia had lived because then they would have continued to kind of rules together but
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they started to drift apart now that they weren't family anymore so that's happening in Rome there's a big Civil
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War in 51 BC over in Egypt Cleopatra becomes co-ruler
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when her dad told me the seventh dies she co-rules always with a man who's her
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both her sibling and her husband which is a thing so she marries her brother telling me the eighth
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so it's a whole thing it's a lot yeah Egyptian rollers it's a whole bunch of marrying your brother or your cousin or
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whatever like it's very much like we've talked about a million times like you shouldn't do that it makes dead rulers
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at this point just feels like we there's so many of these out there this that
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we've already covered like yeah the shock value of it's one-off yeah it's bananas so she's married to her brother
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he's younger than her and they're co-ruling Egypt together so just to talk about Cleopatra for a little bit like as
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a person obviously we don't know a ton about her that's true like we know like the records that people have of her she is
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one of the last pharaohs of Egypt civilization has been around for thousands of years but we're here at the tail end she was very smart and very
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Charming she spoke a ton of languages one of the actual like kind of first-hand accounts comes from Plutarch
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I think it's about 100 years after she died but he wrote about that people said
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that she was known for her beauty and charm she could speak several languages she was very intelligent and quick-witted captivating personality she
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was very popular so this is all stuff that we don't know for sure but I think like the one thing that is maybe unfair
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to her and her like intellectual prowess is that conventionally she's not very
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pretty so there's like busts and coins with her on them and she's not like a
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perfect like Beauty so some people say that she was and I feel like they might
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be using that as an excuse to be like this is how she got your pop so powerful because she was so beautiful and seductive but she also like other people
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are like she wasn't that beautiful so it's like a couple things that we like know about her that are facts she was
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Greek so she was from Macedonia like Dan Carlin says and which is in Greece and
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she comes from like a long line of Greek Emperors of pharaohs of Egypt who are not ethnically Egyptian she was one of
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the only pharaohs who bothered to learn how to speak Egyptian just like Catherine the Great bothered to learn Russian when like other people hadn't
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and people haven't had issues with like the movies that she's portrayed in like Elizabeth Taylor and Gal Gadot is about
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to play her because they're white but Cleopatra was an ethnically African or
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Egyptian she was Greek the issue that I have with those actors playing her is that they're gorgeous
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yeah you have Elizabeth Taylor Who's like I guess considered back in the day
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and even today like one of the most iconically beautiful women that's ever existed but you're saying that she
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looked more like buzz from home alone like I don't know it's like a normal person like she wasn't like this
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astounding Beauty and I don't know if that matters like that's just I I don't know I don't know where that fits into
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her soul and I'd have to think about it for like years to try to make sense of it but she wasn't like striking beautiful like
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Gal Gadot was distractingly beautiful you know yeah like yeah well it's also hard to tell
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because you're looking at like Renditions that yeah it's a painting you it's hard to really visualize I mean I'm
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looking at one of them which was it looks like a modern painting based off of a bust yeah the face um I mean the
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ones that you would look for the look at the coin like the coin of her is probably like the closest yeah she's got
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a Roman nose Like You Can Tell She's Got Her She's definitely got a Roman nose like that's normal that's whatever yeah
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so like some of my opinions on this are like beauty is subjective a so whatever our historians writing away her power as
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something she got from being so beautiful and sexy are they harping too much on her not being beautiful does it
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matter like I don't know but just so we know like the answer I think and I think that we've maybe talked about this
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before in like the realm of like dating and relationships it's just like be cool and people will like you yeah
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so like she was cool and so regardless of what she looked like people liked her and she got some dudes to like her too
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so that's a little bit about her maybe what she looked like maybe where she came from and 48 BCE
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she is forced to flee Egypt she goes to Syria her and her brother husband Ptolemy the eighth start a civil war so
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the Civil War in Rome and now a Civil War in Egypt so her and her brother are fighting for the for the Pharaoh throne
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and 48 BC Julius Caesar arrives in Alexandria which is a port city in Egypt
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so this is where a lot of this like action takes place is that like the tip top of the Nile and Alexandria was
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founded by Alexander the Great in 331 BCE so it's been around for a while by this time and
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it's a center of learning culture diverse populations like Greeks Egyptians Jews other cultures a lot of
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people live there as well as obviously a ton of enslaved people live there as well but it's the Port City lots of
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trade grain Papyrus like it sounds very fun like it sounds like a very bustling the Library of Alexandria is still there
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it has between 40 000 and 400 000 squirrels all this like information that
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Lighthouse that we talked about is one of the wonders of the ancient world that was still standing education was really
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highly valued so it's like a pretty Cosmopolitan City for being in BC times
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yeah it sounds like King's Landing I know yeah it probably is you know like all these are very similar to like
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things that we've heard Infinity things so we're in 48 BC
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Pompey and Caesar have just had a huge battle I cannot pronounce this it's the Battle of farsalis and a lot of Romans
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died and so I've been saying there's been a bunch of Civil Wars like these are Legions are going back and forth between Civil Wars there's been so many
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so imagine if in like the U.S Civil War the North and South South fought and then it ended and they were like great
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now it's east and west and now it's tall people versus short people and now it's like this versus this and it just goes on forever and so like you're fighting
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someone that you fought with last year you know yeah you're like this your enemies because of something new and
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done you know they used to be almost related because of Caesar's daughter now they're
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in this their fight so many people have died Pompey gets to Alexandria a little before Caesar and he acts he asks
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Ptolemy to help him so he says help me defeat Caesar and told me wants to have Caesar
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on his side so in his own civil war against Cleopatra and so he cuts Ptolemy
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Cleopatra's husband brother cuts off pompey's head and gives it to Caesar
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when Caesar arrives because he knows that Caesar's coming to Alexandria as well and he does this to be like hey I want
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you to be in my side look what I did for you I killed Pompey and it's like a morbid gift it is and Julius Caesar
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surprisingly is not happy he's like ew like he doesn't he's upset and
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there's like some things that are like athletic conjecture like why is he upset like they've been fighting for years
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they used to be friends they're fighting for years tons of like normal people have died during this these like battles
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and this huge War but I imagine this is what I think happened reading about this as little as I have that
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seeking ahead of someone who used to be friends with who was married to your daughter who almost brought you a grandchild it's a little bit of like a
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[ __ ] how did I get here you know just like yeah but like oh I don't know I think just as a general rule kind of
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like we always say like don't kill your family also just never give somebody a human head like it's just never gonna be
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received well no that's definitely fair it's a good life role I think we I think I can sit by that one yeah it totally
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makes sense so like definitely not like a silver platter with like a thing over the top you know like
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um that's not great um so Caesar's not impressed but he's in Alexandria and now telling me this is
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It's hard to say telling me because it starts with a P so hopefully I'm getting it right but it's
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p-t-o-l-o-m-e-y so Ptolemy is is like okay well now Caesar since you're not
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happy about this like great gift I bought you um he puts him sort of in jail and Alexandria and is trying to wait to
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figure out what his next step is so while Caesar is stuck in Alexandria
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Mark Anthony is in charge of Rome so he's been like a high up General in Caesar's Army for a whole time and he
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does a pretty bad job he's just like living a nice life in Rome while people of Rome are starving which we've seen
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again and again now we're only on episode 13 but another thing that I think we could maybe stand by is it
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seems like if you just feed people everyone will be happy you know yeah there's got to be something biologically
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in humans that once they attain a certain level of success they just literally cannot think like normal yeah
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they just like can't can't remember that like oh maybe I should you know spend money on the people that I've that I
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rule rather than a gold hat you know or like anything else it's just so so crazy
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did you ever watch that interview that Ellen did with Bill Gates back in the day um
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people would like ask him how much he thinks things cost and he was like so comically off on it I think he said like
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a banana is probably 20 because he just doesn't know they're so out of touch you're right no that's definitely
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feeling like there's like so far away but I can't even imagine like what do you mean you can't you know like like
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Marie Antoinette saying let them eat cake she didn't really say that but like the idea is like well we have all this
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cake here why don't they just have this you know people like no they have nothing like you don't understand like what it's like to live on like that side
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of the of the spectrum did you really say that I could have sworn that I heard somewhere that she said something
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different she didn't say that yeah no yeah that's definitely revision but she
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did not say that but but it was the same idea that like if you're living in a place where like you've never been hungry you don't really understand what
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it could possibly be like for people who are hungry of course so that's happening in Rome there's also riots in Rome you
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know tons of riots during this time a lot of people are starving Rome has a population about a million people at this point so there's a lot like a lot
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of people there which is you know a huge City even in now times famously Cleopatra comes back to Alexandria she
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sneaks in to come to Caesar's Aid and asks him to take her side so some of the
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rumors are that she came rolled up in a carpet so like they brought him a carpet and unrolled and she was like ta-da
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I'm here or in like a linen bag or like in a box or like whatever like she came
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in like a fun way and surprised him because she had to sneak back in and so she
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he really he likes her he likes her likes the cut of her jib you know he likes this like trick that she did he
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likes it she speaks so these languages she's really smart he's in his 50s she's in her 20s but they see something in each other and they start a relationship
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so in 47 BCE Cleopatra gives birth to their son who she named cesarean so they
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have one child together and another thing about like Cleopatra being like this like crazy temptress
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it's probably that she only had like two lovers in her whole life and they were
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Caesar and Marc Anthony that might have been it for her you know sweet um so the next year um by the way Taylor
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just so you know I'm actually looking up if we named them cesarean sections
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because of this guy yeah he talk about that let me know know what that means
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spelled like the way we spell cesarean section but let's see I'm gonna do I'm
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gonna be a little I'm gonna put a finer point on this why do we call them cesarean
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sections Roman law under Caesar decreed that all women who were so faded by
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childbirth must be cut open hence Caesarean other fossil Latin Origins
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include the verb Cedar meaning to cut in the term say sonus that was applied to
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infants born by post-mortem operations um that makes sense if the mom dies and
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they just take it out gross yeah but I don't like it that is actually like whatever so it is definitely Roman in
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nature but we don't know where the word actually originates from but it sounds I mean it had to be like something related
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to this guy yeah definitely and I don't know again like talking about uh like fake things
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like in the the new Game of Thrones show The House of the Dragon they are the ton
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of childbirth and death and childbirth but when they do perform a cesarean they're like the mom is not gonna live you know they just cut her open they're
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like we have this is like the last chance to get the baby out and I did all sorts of Disney on Instagram a while ago
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about maybe when that was happening that like midwives or whatever they're called in Africa have been performing them for
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like hundreds of years because they knew how to do things like wash their hands with alcohol and like make a small cut
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and get the baby and take care of the mom and like all the things that like we didn't figure out in the west until like 100 years ago well which was super
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interesting yeah so anyway also this Museum Caesarean which is just that if it is related to that it means cut and
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somehow whatever so they have a sign the same cesarean and then Caesar defeats telling me the eighth and restores
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Cleopatra to the throne of Egypt tell me Cleopatra's brother husband dies in The
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Nile he drowns while escaping she may have had a they may that might have been on purpose like making sure that he
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didn't survive while he was escaping Alexandria so the next thing that she has to do is marry her other brother
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telling me the ninth who I think is like an infant at this time she just like has to be married to someone else in order to roll
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um she can't like technically do it by herself which is dumb but she's married to her infant
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brother now but she's definitely like dating Caesar and she also has her annoying sister arsony killed and in one
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of the podcasts I listened to they described arsene as the Prince Harry of Egypt so you can make your own
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assumptions about how annoying she was but it's Harry annoying yes okay
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side I think at some point Taylor that one of us feels strongly about one thing and the other one doesn't like I don't have any opinion of him so I'm just
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gonna I'm gonna go with your version of who Harry is we just watched the the South Park from this past season about
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him and Meghan Markle where they're like did you go on a worldwide privacy tour and during the tour Harry's like playing
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his drums and has a sign that says like leave us alone stop staring at me it's really funny because they're like
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they're like holding these signs they're like stop looking at me leave me alone we want our privacy but they're like yelling in the middle of all the town
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squares so yeah that's an idea what I'm doing right now yeah so yeah so all of our siblings are are dead
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she's co-rueling with her baby sibling they stay in Alexandria for a while and they both go to Rome and so we've talked
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about this before BCE Ides of March March 15th um Julius
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Caesar's assassinated he's stabbed to death in the Senate after his death Cleopatra returns to Egypt so she was
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there while he was murdered and she had to like get out fast so she got out of
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Rome super fast took cesarean with her they went back to Alexandria and they did some ruling of Egypt there together
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in 41 BCE Mark Anthony is now part of the second Triumph for it so a second
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group of three dudes who are trying to rule Rome together and he summons Cleopatra to saris which is a place
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where he like wanted to get her to be an ally for to him so they have this meeting they might have met before but the the
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myth around this meeting is that she arrived on like a golden barge you know like carried by enslaved people with
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like purple sails and Roars of silver and she made herself to look like the
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goddess Aphrodite and there's like a gold canopy and she people dressed the cupid and just like a really big like
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show going into to meet him and Mark Anthony loved it because he thought he was he thought he was the embodiment of
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the Greek god Dionysus so like he was a lot and he loved the show
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she loves these Grand entrances yeah she loves that and I think that's probably
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because she knows that like these dudes love that [ __ ] you know yeah they're like oh I love you you make me feel
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special so that was totally working for them and so
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they had a lot of fun together they had a group called the admittable lovers
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which was like a group of people that would hang out every night and have like a game night and drink a lot and eat a lot and like just have a lot of fun by
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37 BCE Mark Anthony and Cleopatra have had three children together Alexander Helios Cleopatra Selena and and
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Teletubby Philadelphia's they've ruled Egypt for a little while during this time as well the rule rule is loose
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because they're children but the children are like definitely heiress the Egyptian throne and so they have those
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kids in 37 BCE they're living together they're super happy but Marc Anthony has actually been married this whole time
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from 40 to 32 BC so in the middle of this he was married to Octavia the younger and she seems nice they had some
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kids but he wants to marry Cleopatra and they get divorced and in 32 BC he does
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marry Cleopatra so she's his like fifth wife he's already been like married a bunch of
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times but there they finally do get married and then we're almost to the end
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and there's so much more that happens during this but so the second trend for it is Marc Anthony a man named the
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pitius and Octavian Octavian sounds like Octavia you may have noticed is the
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brother of Octavia who Marc Anthony was married to and he's pissed because he's like you were very clearly having
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another family with Cleopatra in like this wasn't normal this isn't like how they just do things yeah like he like
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everyone's like kind of remember what everybody knew but like also Octavian was like [ __ ] you for doing this to my sister you
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know and got was like the other things but he was like really mad and so this turns into another civil war between
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people and Cleopatra and Marc Anthony are on one side and Octavian is on the
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other side and there's a big battle called The Battle of Axiom so many people die because of these people's
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personal problems but but Cleopatra more energy they lose they lose the battle they flee to Egypt
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Anthony knows that they're defeated it's a rumor this feels maybe a little too romantic to be true but he hears that
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Cleopatra is already dead so he stabs himself and then he finds out that she's not dead and they bring him to her and
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he dies in her arms which is like Romeo and Juliet and also there is a Mark Anthony and Cleopatra Shakespeare play
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that I have not seen or read but it sounds a little too good to be true but he dies first he dies by shoe size that
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puts himself from the stomach oh so that is so that is what happened yeah why do
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you say you don't believe it well no I don't believe necessarily that he kills himself because he thought that she was already dead you know I see I see
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yeah had suicidal ideations on his own yeah militia yeah yeah because they knew
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that they were like going to be in trouble because they just lost this big battle and they've lost control of Rome
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and Egypt so she does get to organize his funeral she knows that he has has
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died and the sort of next step for for Cleopatra is there is a thing that they
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do in Rome when you return from Battle is you get to have a Triumph and a Triumph is like a big parade so one
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thing that Caesar did a long time ago was he had his own triumph which you're technically not allowed to do has to be
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like approved by the Senate and people were really mad but it's like a huge parade where you're like I am victorious I came back and you you prayed through
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Rome with you know your Spoils of War and one of The Spoils of Octavius winning this battle was going to be
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Cleopatra he was going to come back and kind of like parade her through Rome and be like look what I did I like you know
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won the war and now this this Pharaoh is mine so she doesn't want that to happen she
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doesn't want to be a part of of that at all so she dies by Suicide as well possibly by ASP and that's the thing
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that maybe she had a snake bite her or like a cobra or like some kind of cool snake that killed her it also could have
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been that she kept poison in like a hairpin to kill her to to Colors off with but either way so apparently yeah
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like that's an ass is just like the old-timey way to say any venomous thing but it sounds like it is probably a
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reference to a very specific Egyptian cobra how scary is that because that was like what a horrible horrible
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Choice yeah like what are you doing put your hand near it or do you like near
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you until it strikes or do you like trying to scare it like it's just so scary to be like I purposely want this thing to bite me even without knowing
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that without the dying part you know just like trying to having to get that close to a snake so scary
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because like I think the way that the Venom of a cobra works is that it causes
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coagulation in the blood that's in your body so it's not like a chill death it's
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like you're turning kind of just Stone from the inside out like it's a horrible I mean just throw yourself off a roof or something like
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this sounds so much better it does sound so much better so that sounds terrible hopefully it was quick but now they are
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they are both dead and the kids their three children do go back to Rome with Octavian Octavian is um actually his he
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gets renamed as Augustus so he's the first emperor of Rome and we talked about this in one of our first episodes
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because the fifth Emperor Rome is Nero so we're a little bit before Nero who we talked about before but Augustus
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formerly Octavian is the um first emperor of of Rome and that now Rome is
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an Empire is going to do whole bunch of stuff all in this ancient time and then I guess the last thing I
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wanted to say is which I thought was interesting is that their kids the three kids that um that Marc Anthony and
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Cleopatra had so cesarean dies in a in one of these battles so she has three
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kids left and they go back to Rome and they're raised by Octavia who is the
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sister of the emperor and the ex-wife of their dad and she raises all of the kids
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together and they live for a while longer it wasn't Nero's mom named
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Octavius she was because and wasn't he married to someone named
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Octavius I'm sure there was maybe it's a common name it is no it's not it's it's
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common as in like yep we're definitely in this is the beginning of that family line okay you know yeah yeah yeah that
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makes sense yeah because he is going to be you know wait yeah one of his spouses was Claudia Octavia
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um so she was one of the empresses and she is yeah it's like like they all know
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each other and all they're all related and all that stuff that we know so she's part of the Julio cloudy cloudian house
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um which is what Nero is and yeah so sort of do you remember during that episode how you said he went somewhere
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and was in like a thousand singing competitions and you're like
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yeah you think he won and I literally just sat there was like huh let's see if you look at the percentage number you're like no he won them all because he was
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obviously rigged like it's like sitting there kind of like gonna actually do the math what do you think the percentage number will be about like yeah fun times
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and that's all that's the same thing like you're doing this when people are starving like what are you doing you
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know this guy total distance did you guys have no idea how much bananas cost
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yeah oh no idea absolutely not yeah so I'm I am you know I will definitely watch the gal Al gado movie the
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Cleopatra movie whenever it comes out in a few years because it's I'm sure it's going to be beautiful but um I don't know how much I don't know
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what is true and what isn't true but I what what I know is true is that um Cleopatra was you know the most
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powerful woman in ancient Egypt and it was because she was able to you know partner up with two of the most powerful
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men in Rome okay I'm gonna put you on the spot
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who is the right casting for Cleopatra oh that's a good question
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kind of want to say maybe Lady Gaga that is so good because I thought of
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Lady Gaga as you were while you were talking about how she like unfralled herself from a carpet my first thought
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was Lady Gaga should totally do that at one of her concerts and then when you brought up that she met Mark Anthony and
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like had this whole you know festivity around her coming out but I was like I'm positive I've seen Lady Gaga do that so
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you yeah way to go so yeah because she's like she's pretty but in a weird way
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she's got a Roman nose she's definitely not everyone knows yeah yeah and now that you said that I'm looking
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back at that picture of her yeah she looks like Lady Gaga like she doesn't look as good as Lady Gaga I would argue
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but yeah no that's fair maybe yeah closer to Lady Gaga than Liz Elizabeth
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Taylor and golgo for sure yeah exactly and it would be Mark Anthony
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um you know who the person who and I was listening to you a um and that and the
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rest is history podcast and it's by author Tom Holland who Dan Carlin like reads and talks about so it's an author
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named Holland he's like a British historian but in that thing in that episode they were laughing saying that
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Tom Holland that actor should play Marc Anthony this would not be good casting
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yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna push back on that one I think I'd be good at Marc Anthony you know I think I could
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probably make it work yeah I got the nose right you totally do yeah
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there you go I'm ambiguous you don't know what I am I could be Greek I could be Egyptian you have to cut your hair
40:13
though have that like a Ramen Senate haircut it was just like short hair definitely not doing that I'm sticking with my white socks I don't even know
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who you were yeah I know I know that's my identity at this point um awesome that was very very cool that
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so we are that's our second well so this was Egypt and Rome kind of
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together so yeah we got two Roman stories now I think under our belt and there's
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probably so many more stories well a yes okay one thing I was gonna say
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first is like so also our second Egyptian story and how like Egypt Egypt was so like it with the the dad who killed his
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daughters and how like that was like honor killing that was a huge thing about it which I think is interesting remember that and then but secondly
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yeah that's part of my historical existential dread is that like there's so many stories that like I that will
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never hear and that I want to know about and when I hear things about like like there was a Native American city in
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the middle of the United States that had you know 50 000 people live there and they just found like the ruins of it
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you're like what happened there you know like there's so many things that happen there and then like I also feel like then um
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with like that you know that that city in Turkey and that underground city in Turkey do you know what I'm talking about no it is
41:34
it called it's called Darren kuyu so it's literally a farmer in Turkey was like
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clearing some land and found a hole and went into the hole and it's a city that could have housed like a hundred thousand people underground
41:48
is this recent um it was like in the past 20 years but now they've been like Excavating it and
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there's like rooms and markets and stairs and it was dark is all underground and like what
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happened in there is that crazy it's wild one Joe Rogan plug I guess that I
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have to say is another awesome show on Netflix is ancient apocalypse which is like talking
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about you know but mostly it's like this idea like what are the cities like and like when their civilization ended you
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know what did we lose you know um but Joe Rogan is in it as like the expert
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we were like five episodes in and then all you're like okay the guy who is like the main guy is definitely kind of crazy
42:31
and you definitely can get the feeling that historians like are not his friends they're not stoked on him but he and
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then like episode five he's like here's my friend Joe Rogan and we were like oh no like what is this show we're watching
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but it's fun to it's fun to think about existentially to be like these cities and these places we have like stones
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left like what did we lose we lost a lot of paper we lost all the fabric we lost all the stories like where what happened
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in the world before we remember it yeah yeah and I mean with Alexander you mentioned Alexandria too like the
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burning of the library have Alexander it's not like the source of like all knowledge the world had it was like the
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Wikipedia of the world and then it was just gone yes but I've also heard recently that maybe that's not true I'm
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like God damn it yeah you'd never know what's so many
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different variables there like so many different ways to like interpret all that stuff and apparently no it's not
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true so there you go I know so it's like there's no objective that's true yeah there's no truth but like it's it's fun
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to think about like did that happen like how cool is that for you know to think
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about like you know sneaking in and like getting your enemies head on a platter and then being like I don't know what's going on and then like some girl comes
43:43
into your room and like a sacks and or carpet and she's like let's let's roll together and then you're like okay when
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you go home and all your friends stab you to death that's a wild story it definitely sounds
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Shakespearean which it was yeah and it also kind of sounds like a Burning Man story but
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cool well Taylor yeah absolutely thanks for that and we'll transition over to
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I'm going to call it a layup of the week because this story has gotten a ton of play so I usually try and find things a
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little bit more obscure but I'm gonna be honest I've also had a hell of a week and I went with a layup story
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so apologies everyone it's something y'all already have probably heard about but I'm gonna put my own little spin on
44:26
it uh I am going to be discussing the Watts family murders
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okay yeah I have some awesome opinions absolutely share with you
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should we start your opinions I want to say number one don't kill your family no matter what okay
44:43
but number two not Shannon it's Shannon or whatever Shannon yeah yeah like Shannon spells
44:50
weird it seems super annoying sorry she's super annoying yeah did you watch
44:55
the Netflix documentary I did I did she's like super mean to him in like the videos like make Spider-Man she's like
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Ugh my husband's the worst this is why he always does this stuff and just like she just seems like not someone I'd want
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to be married to yeah I've been married for that
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sorry I I like this none
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there's no call to me of like a married couple I thought it was a lot I thought
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I would never do that like I would never be like like on Facebook be like oh my husband's the
45:28
worst because like my husband a is not the worst but B I would just that's so rude like I would
45:35
never do that it's just like not in either of our Natures to treat each other that way so when I see that people treating each other that way I'm like
45:40
just get divorced this is terrible we're not Fighters so I don't know you
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don't you don't brow beat Juan into submission on a daily basis no we're
45:50
actually very nice to each other like sometimes we annoy each other but like for the most part yeah we're fine yeah yeah
45:57
so I mean look I yeah I here's the thing I I don't know maybe I wasn't being
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totally myself as I was going about doing this because I actually shared your sentiment like but I was just like oh God the way
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things that happened were just so so it's just like it's like I've reflected
46:15
back when I was like God like yeah how could you could you could anybody be that annoying really yeah no no nothing
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nothing is no one deserves what happened to her zero I'll say this so I read I saw a lot
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of her social media posts actually I a lot of her posts were very like glowing of him saying like what amazing father we're so lucky to have you the girls are
46:36
so whatever this and the other thing I just there's something really weird to
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me about like people with like a life or like responsibilities careers family and
46:48
things like that being super into like social media
46:53
I mean at this point I don't really I don't I don't if it's not about my dog
47:01
why is my life important enough to give a show what other people think you know like it's a weird psychology of like I
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need everybody to know about my life and care about it and it's just like I'm here for the likes I'm here for the
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comments like I don't yeah understand that and she was like heavy into that which like
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that would be the part that would drive me insane it's like why do you give a [ __ ] about what these strangers think
47:23
about like your ultrasound results or like how you feel about like what the
47:29
girls ate for breakfast or how they were fussy like who who are you talking to when you're supposed to [ __ ] like that's
47:34
what will drive me nuts yeah tell totally so I'll get to this okay I'll get to
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actually being delivered about this outline and actually like not going on that side ramp but so I'll start by
47:46
saying you know again this story had been has been poured over extensively you called it out as well and the fact
47:52
that there's a whole Netflix documentary on it or series on it and I don't know for sure but there's got to
47:59
be at least a dozen plus podcasts dedicated Justice murder because it was both horrific in what happened it also
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incredibly stupid the one thing I would say is if you do decide to do something like
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this hey you never get away with it for sure like that's never gonna happen so always contemplate suicide immediately
48:20
after and if you don't don't do this when you have like another 50 to 60 year
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lifespan ahead of you like that's the dumb part of all this it's like this guy is less than 40.
48:33
in prison in a solitary cell that's it like that is literally yeah it's like it's like dude at least wait until like
48:39
cancer starts kicking in your liver starts failing like then maybe go this route but like don't do it beforehand
48:46
more like I mean don't do it first and foremost
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um but like or have like a better plan like you were saying you said at one point like
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send your credit cards for people around the world and have them use them and then just disappear yeah yeah I got it
49:03
all worked out I got all worked out and like isn't a job on the list who like was gone for like a long time
49:10
um because he did it right because he did it right because he took used only cash okay we need to stop giving people
49:16
game plans here but the fact that he took out cash left this car one spot and
49:22
then just well John Lewis was also lucky because he was in an era where like there was no cameras there was no social media camera phones yeah like nobody
49:29
nobody's gonna see him and like take a picture of it and send it to like the FBI's Most Wanted like so he had you
49:36
know I mean sure if you're gonna do it maybe the time to do it is already over for you but I don't know
49:42
where there's a will there's a way right so you can carbon don't do it your way to murder your family so
49:49
so it's your point like this guy didn't fool anyone for even a minute
49:56
that he didn't do it yeah it was so obvious and trans transparent so
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obviously what I'm talking about is Chris Watts um and yeah it's it's kind of
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I I don't want to get into the house because the house is actually like really really terrifying but so the story here starts in Frederick get into
50:17
that do the terrifying stuff continue well yeah yeah I'm definitely going to get I'm not white watching this well I'm
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gonna tell you exactly what happened I should go into details that I didn't know that Netflix never covered so we're
50:30
gonna go even Grizzly around this one than usual again it's kind of a layup story it's like a lot of details are kind of out there but so the story is in
50:36
Frederick Colorado which is maybe 30 minutes east of Boulder it's an incredibly white and Incredibly middle
50:42
class town if you street view their home you'll see that it's just like a very very
50:48
normal looking Suburban life that you would live there there's kids parks
50:53
there's you know it's it's that kind of a kind of a Vibe I think I wrote down like think more Home Improvement than
50:58
Roseanne like it's not trashy it's just like a notch above that you know
51:04
our main characters we're gonna start with who you just mentioned shenan not Shannon
51:09
shenan Watts I know it's just like oh he's so annoying is that her fault but
51:14
God damn it it's so annoying ah yeah uh she was 34 at the time that this all
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transpired she and Chris were married in 2012 after having data for about two years she worked for even her job
51:28
[ __ ] drives me nuts she I gotta stop talking this dead woman she worked for a company that produced and sold a product
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called Thrive which seems to be kind of like a health and weight loss supplement
51:40
Taylor have you ever heard of a company called Cutco yes like the knives
51:46
okay I broke down like I thought at first I was like a Texas thing how do you was that like a Nevada thing too or
51:51
California it's an everywhere thing you know I think it was like it was one of the like you could you could Cutco sell
51:58
knives like door-to-door and I feel like there's like my husband has a great story where he was like he worked for a
52:03
day for like a thing selling like meat door-to-door like steaks and like that's something that you could do but now
52:09
there's just like I mean there's an infinite number of mlms to get involved in you know infinite infinite like yeah
52:15
that's that's what I thought this was kind of like I heard what the business model was like this is Cutco this is
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basically hey I will say Coco knives are amazing but the entire business model is
52:27
yeah I hired a bunch of 18 to 22 year olds had them tell their aunt uncle and parents to buy these knives and they see
52:33
that they're good knives like well is it that is it good enough for this price probably not but whatever it's my
52:38
kid I love them so I'll buy the damn knife right and yeah that's basically what this was this was like because
52:44
because the model I think is you buy the product so you are the the wholesale
52:50
drop shipper of the product so like they make their money because they sell to the sales people and the sales people
52:55
have to offload that to everybody else this guy in college today was so hilarious he thought he was so smart he went bought [ __ ] like three thousand
53:02
dollars worth of these supplements I went to his apartment we're just gonna like hang out or something he just had box of this stuff and you're just like
53:08
this is amazing it's like it turned out we weren't hanging out he was trying to sell me he invited me over there's a
53:15
little Studio to be like this is the best thing ever anyways I didn't buy it but I love it I love when they I love
53:20
that I want to like I love when they do that and Always Sunny like they always whenever they do that or someone buys
53:26
like it's kind of supplies and they're trying to sell them it's like such a hilarious bit they did they do it in only murders in the building which you
53:31
should watch if you haven't yet but it's just it's great yeah yeah I remember when my mom getting like roped in a
53:36
Tupperware parties yeah like all these women get together in South Tupperware to each other anyways
53:42
um so that's what shenan was doing she was selling this product called the
53:47
weight loss supplement essentially and she seemingly made decent money at it
53:52
she made about 60 to 70k by some accounts and apparently the product did actually work we're gonna get into that
53:58
a little bit later uh because there is some thought that this product actually had a hand to play and what ended up
54:04
going on she was also a lupus sufferer which is an autoimmune disease where the body's immune system attacks healthy
54:10
parts of the body she would discuss lupus quite a bit on her YouTube channel and her Facebook
54:17
post again it's just like somebody who like thinks that her life is really important and people should know everything about her which is like I
54:22
don't know it's personality type that I just don't bond with well yeah like on the on
54:29
the note of the Social Media stuff like I mentioned you before like she did talk a lot about her life the kids she talked
54:35
a lot about Chris it was just every it's like everything had to be documented
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yeah exactly like literally everything like yeah yeah
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we're on the same page right like they so I actually have somebody in mind that
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does this and it's like man like it's weird because like they'll post and like
54:58
nobody will like or comment but like every day it's like 17 posts about like what happened today it's just like
55:03
nobody cares nobody's like maybe the catharsis like just put this in a diary
55:08
like I whatever are you talking about me and how much I post on this podcast no I actually really is this one
55:16
intervention no no I actually really appreciate it like I've actually had that thought multiple times where I'm
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like I should be doing as much as Taylor is doing like swap with work [ __ ] and it's just like I don't want to lose my
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computer screen like at this point when I'm when I'm doing work Zoom meetings I tell everyone like I'm turning my camera
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off and I'm walking because my eyes are [ __ ] bleeding from just down to the screen so I don't want to do it anymore so that's that's part of my problem but
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I will try to get better we should talk about that at some point I'm gonna you can do my review my employee review for
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Doom to fail and tell me what I'm doing um so her and Chris had two daughters their
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names were Bella and Celeste Celeste went by CC I'm just gonna refer to as Celeste here and they had a third on the
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way who would have been named Nico uh Bella was four this time Celeste was
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three and Sudan was pregnant at she was four months pregnant with Nico at this time so I I think four months is showing
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right it's a pretty big it says yeah you definitely told everybody you know you definitely yeah if you're if you're if
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you're like conservative and like about it and like worried about it you wait until like three months to tell people
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but after that you've definitely told people yeah cool cool yeah Chris himself he was an oil field operator and by all
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accounts you know from what you could see because again everything was documented he looked like a happy devoted father and husband he was always
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smiling and you know you put on the ACT you put on the show essentially Chris was apparently also a
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fan of Thrive that supplement um company and he was apparently kind of
56:47
doughy part of the events that we'll be discussing and lost somewhere in their neighborhood of 35 to 50 pounds through some combination of like using Thrive
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which is like a patch apparently you put on like it adheres to your skin and like doses you throughout the day with like
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that's what it works are you trying to sell it to me so I have a I I have like about 50
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pounds of these patches here that are waiting for someone to be shipped to so if you just venmo me 600 you will I will
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send you this box of Thrive um yeah yeah like apparently this guy got
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like pretty jacked and ripped and what typically happens when someone is Adobe
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live in one way and then they ended up living a different way to get some jacked and rip he started looking outside of his marriage for company
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which is exactly what ended up happening so that's kind of the secret if your partner starts suddenly getting like super healthy and good looking like
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you're headed to divorce City so just keep an eye on that as well he had a mistress who will play into
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this I feel pretty bad for the Mysteries because she actually she had no idea no
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idea what was going on totally her name is Nicole Kissinger not Kissinger
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kessinger and I can actually say her name and not feel that bad for saying it because after this she changed her name and
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moved away and we actually have no idea who she is now should we say her name so good for her
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yeah yeah that's I thought about not seeing it at first I was like I probably shouldn't even name drop her at this point but later on in the article I was
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like she changed her name she's gone like nobody knows who she is some somewhere like she probably went into like Witness Protection Program I don't
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know for real I'm sure people were mad at her like she didn't she didn't do anything wrong no I'm gonna get into a lot more of her involvement like she was
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actually a very good person in this situation in this Dynamic poor thing so
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she the way she met is that her and Chris also they worked for the exact same company I think it was called Anadarko
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um and she was a geologist there as he was a oil field operator and yeah yeah
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she was yeah she had her [ __ ] together like I mean that's like when I learned about her and I saw her she was like this was like she thought like oh I met
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this great person like this is Discovery life and like it was just like you know what it's like that feeling when like
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okay I did all the right things I went to college I got my Master's Degree I became this professional I got hired I
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have a 401k about my first house like I'm doing all the boxes and I met this person who's gonna be like the next
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thing that's gonna yeah that's how I felt like that's how she looked in her pictures and um didn't work out that way
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obviously so Chris had apparently told her that he was undergoing a divorce from his wife he was like separating
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going through a divorce and was honest that he had two kids with this wife that he was leaving so she knew that much but
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not anything else so let's get into the actual events this happens so fast which
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validates how [ __ ] stupid this guy is on August 13th of 2018 at around two
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o'clock in the morning it was like 1 48 a.m shenan came home from Arizona from a business trip she was on that same day
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so the morning later on that morning she had an OB GYN appointment that she didn't go to and she was also supposed
59:53
to attend a really important work meeting that she also missed and she wouldn't respond to her text messages so
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her friend someone named Nicole Atkinson grew concerned and went to the house to check on her so I don't know if you're
1:00:05
gonna say this but that girl is a badass hero like if you
1:00:11
saw the video of her she was like I'm not gonna let this go and yeah I remember thinking she's the kind of
1:00:17
friend you need yeah I know I was also looking at from the perspective of Chris of like man she is gonna blow up my spot
1:00:24
oh yeah no she did as soon as she got there he he knew that he was like guys
1:00:30
this isn't gonna last more than like a day you know because she was not gonna be like she was not gonna let it go she
1:00:35
is just best friend of the decade award to her yeah she was a dog with a bun
1:00:40
absolutely absolutely and you know you could tell like that is not a woman who moves easily like she was gonna stand
1:00:47
there until this was figured out like she was 100 yeah anyone yeah exactly so he was [ __ ]
1:00:55
from the second she took an interest because because her interest is the best yeah like her interest in this is why
1:01:01
like there was never really a chance to like digest anything absorb it what's going on what do they just do how do I
1:01:07
get out of this where's my trash where's my passport no she got in the middle immediately
1:01:12
that's amazing congratulations you're the best exactly exactly so she's there
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obviously nobody else is she sees that um shenan's cars in the garage it's got
1:01:25
a window she can see through it she calls Chris expressing concern of what's going on then she calls the police so
1:01:31
the police arrive they do a welfare check and there's obviously no sign of shenan or other girls none of the
1:01:36
belongings you would expect of someone leaving a house were actually missing so like her keys her phone prescriptions because she was a she had autoimmune
1:01:43
disease she had to have yeah medication with her all this stuff was at the house Chris comes home in the middle of this
1:01:50
and have you seen any of the body cam video
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of this that's what I was talking about yes but he was just like what's her friend's name again Nicole Nicole and
1:02:03
Nicole is like no this this like it's incredible like that's yeah that's what
1:02:08
I've seen I have I have the body cam image like actually my brain I actually didn't
1:02:13
watch him I was researching this stuff I read about this case so much before in the past the way he walks up to the house it's
1:02:20
like that was the moment it just snapped up like I'm [ __ ] like this
1:02:31
she even opened his mouth in the look in his face is just like this is the end like
1:02:37
and it was she was right because yeah he had a horrible horrible Poker Face throughout this entire thing anybody who
1:02:44
has a remote interest in this case I mean obviously the Netflix documentary incorporates the body cam image like
1:02:49
there's a lot more like there's a lot of body cam imagery or videos that you can go watch of like this entire interaction
1:02:55
he has the police he has with Nicole he has with the neighbors like this guy was inundated like think about
1:03:01
this obviously spoiler alert you just killed three members of your family and afford those on the way you spend the
1:03:07
entire night getting rid of the bodies and then you went to work yeah yeah and then you you come back to
1:03:14
this scene of what you just did the cops are there you have your neighbor there you got Nicole there the immovable
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object and you're just like hey he knew that moment that it was kind of
1:03:26
over and you could see it written on his face completely so you [ __ ] you got caught immediately yeah he just looked
1:03:32
totally deceptive totally Shifty and I actually wrote here it's a realm
1:03:38
we we discussed sorry but I wrote that maybe if Nicole wasn't so on the ball he would have had time to gather himself
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yeah he didn't because she was just right there just Johnny on the spot get yourself a friend like Nicole yeah no
1:03:50
kidding I saw one video where the neighbor where one of Chris's neighbors he's with Chris
1:03:57
and the police and he goes hey I have a camera that captures part of their driveway shanan left mysteriously we
1:04:03
should be able to see it on this video hey Chris because again we have it's all
1:04:09
too I'm only laughing because it's like you you were you are the worst you did like you thought of nothing nothing can
1:04:16
you imagine what must be going through your mind and your chest if you're a
1:04:21
Christmas situation he's just like oh that's
1:04:26
great let's look at this video here's the way he was on it
1:04:31
oh my God we're gonna fire later they might have just captured him loading her corpse in the back of the car yeah
1:04:37
that's what he's because he has no idea where it's pointed to so they go to the neighbor's house the police and Chris go
1:04:43
to the neighbor's house and you can't make anything out like it's it's like obscure the truck's too big there's
1:04:49
bushes in the way you really can't see what's going on but as the video starts playing there was a point when Chris
1:04:54
looks away like he like turns his back to the video almost like just like [ __ ] this is it and then he turns around and
1:05:01
he has his hand he really he picks himself up he's like oh I can't I have to look at the video I have to express concern for my family and so he looks at
1:05:08
the video but then he puts his hands on the top of his head while he's being arrested he's just it's not good it's
1:05:14
not it's not funny but it's funny just because like he's yeah I just like couldn't have
1:05:19
it 24 hours ago yeah well the totally interesting for this dude not even it wasn't even 24
1:05:26
hours it was way less than it was like maybe like 12 hours yeah totally different life
1:05:31
at one point Chris walks away I think he like left to go move a car or something in the body cam video captures the
1:05:38
neighbor look at the cop and say yeah he's acting weird which he was he was everybody could tell
1:05:43
he was just not being himself being normal there's another video that you just
1:05:48
pointed out where he's on the news pleading for shenan and the girls to come home and this is so cringe-worthy
1:05:57
because like he says it in this tone that is so deadpan so devoid of feeling
1:06:02
and his eyes are just like black and it's like all right what are you
1:06:08
supposed to do I miss the Bright Eyes of smiles of my daughters please come back
1:06:14
come back Angela glued in the camera and just like it's like the most poorly acted
1:06:20
thing you've ever seen in your entire life yeah which yeah like what are you yeah what are you supposed to do right
1:06:26
yeah you have to I've seen so many of those where like you know people are on the news and like the in-laws are crying
1:06:32
and like you're in there you're like you know what happened and what are you supposed to do oh my gosh
1:06:38
it's like you tell them you're going to get coffee and you just [ __ ] leave that's what you do yeah
1:06:47
well like okay maybe you'll talk about this eventually but didn't the other Peterson who killed his wife didn't he
1:06:53
try to lead to Mexico and dyed his hair yeah but he was stupid because he stopped to go golfing he stopped to do a
1:06:59
back nine on the golf course with his dad with like a wig in the back of his car with like a hundred thousand dollars
1:07:06
you got all the evidence to prove your flight risk on you you don't have three
1:07:11
hours to play golf today like right right white people problems yeah continue seriously so
1:07:18
Chris apparently he goes willingly to the police station because he's not under arrest this point there's like they don't they don't know anything
1:07:23
right they don't know if anybody's dead so he goes there to answer questions and he also goes to take a polygraph test he obviously fails the polygraph when asked
1:07:31
to get anything to do with his wife or the kid's disappearance the police Grill him on this and at first he maintains a
1:07:37
story that he has no idea what happened to them by this point that was a story I have no
1:07:42
idea what happened to them and then his dad is the police station and he has to see his dad and again just
1:07:48
like going back to like you you got to remember like you know you look at him and you're like well you look at the picture as a family like what a
1:07:55
wholesome dad looking guy you know some people can look normal and be totally more complete Wands on the inside like
1:08:00
this guy was one of those guys who just seemed like a normal All-American dude and had rocks for brains
1:08:06
he's being taped obviously in a police interrogation room and he brings his dad
1:08:13
in and he whispers to his dad and so he doesn't think that people can hear him whispering to his dad then he confesses
1:08:18
that he killed her he tells her I killed Sudan and the dad's concerned puts his
1:08:24
hands on his shoulder like what happened son you can tell me and then he starts like coming up with the story like he literally just kind of invents the story
1:08:30
in the spot saying that he walked in on he said that he told her that he's
1:08:36
having an affair she flew into a rage killed the girls so
1:08:42
he in a rage killed her and the dad's just like I mean I guess you know I mean I don't know if you're a parent I guess
1:08:48
you believe what your kid tells you you don't want to believe the alternative and so the dad's very concerned and it's
1:08:54
like yada yada yada so anyways that's what's going on and the police come back
1:09:00
in and he starts kind of unraveling and telling this this story and I wrote here that I
1:09:07
really loved watching police interview of of Chris because they were just so good and patient about drawing out the
1:09:14
lies and teasing them apart one by one part of this methodology is like she's the bad one right we all know she's the
1:09:20
bad one you're the good one you did it for a reason it makes sense like think about it this way like he they break it
1:09:27
down Lie by life so during this process he goes from I have no clue what happened to I'm having an affair to I
1:09:32
told her I'd want a divorce to she killed the kids to then I had to kill her
1:09:38
ultimately ending with their bodies are in crude oil tanks at my work that's the the disparity of the
1:09:46
hours-long conversation they had here so the prevailing theory is that Chris and shanan got into a fight the morning she
1:09:53
came home from that work trip Chris essentially saying that I'm having an affair and I'm leaving you basically
1:09:58
Chris strangled her in their bedroom and Bella walked in on him doing this he
1:10:03
then wrapped shanan in a bad sheet and placed her on the back of his work truck the floor of the back seat not the bed
1:10:10
of the truck and then place the two girls in the back seat as well but they're alive right yeah they're
1:10:17
alive and they were asking him what's wrong with Mommy and he was like yeah the most
1:10:24
sociopathic unbelievable thing I can possibly imagine I was like wondering like what did you
1:10:31
think I mean it's supposed to be like total panic but like oh my God
1:10:36
don't strangle people well like I said earlier maybe we need I I there's things I want to strangle so maybe like a fake
1:10:42
Strangler that you could strangle like a stress strangling thing if you're so angry at the world but like
1:10:49
God I mean if he's gonna kill the girls anyway like why make them sit through that drive yeah that's why I didn't
1:10:54
understand I was like why didn't you just do it at the house if you're gonna maybe he didn't know he was gonna do it maybe he was just yeah he was trying to
1:11:00
figure out what to do yeah maybe like that drive to wherever he was going was the time he like decided oh I guess I
1:11:06
have to do it now but like why yeah because like because I'm trying to do the math on this hold on let me do
1:11:13
serial killer math real quick so like okay let's say you just killed your wife you have two kids and at that point if
1:11:20
you have even paid any attention to True Crime you know that you're going down for it because it's always the husband every single time yeah so at that point
1:11:28
once you I mean you just kind of take off with the girls right like why do you need to oh you know what oh oh I'm sorry
1:11:34
I forgot you're stupid as [ __ ] he thought that he could do all this and start holding you out of his girlfriend Nicole that's what it was right right
1:11:40
that's the logic that's I told I I was like I keep forgetting this guy's really really dumb okay sorry back on track now
1:11:48
um the field where Chris worked was about 40 miles from the house and that's where
1:11:53
he ended up taking all of them I don't know exactly how long it took but I would assume to take at least 40 minutes maybe 60 Minutes to think about
1:12:00
what to do once you get there and once you arrive to the oil field he took shenan out and dropped her face first
1:12:06
into a shallow grave which apparently resulted in a partial birth of the kid because he like just plopped her down
1:12:13
the belly just compressed oh no Ross yeah really really gross that's
1:12:18
horrifying yeah he then drove a bit further up to near the oil tanks and took Celeste out of
1:12:24
the truck and strangled her before dropping her into the oil tank this is a tank this is a huge it's so scary to me
1:12:30
it's it's dark it's such a dark huge it's like this is where like they fill barrels oh
1:12:39
my God this is it's crazy scary yeah this is horrifying
1:12:44
he that he then turned his attention to Bella later on he would say that he was surprised at how much she struggled
1:12:50
saying this is a quote little quiet Bella had a had a will to live out of
1:12:55
the three fellas the only one that put up a fight yeah ill yeah yeah it's worth knowing that after
1:13:02
like after like the conviction everything he kind of gave up the whole story about Sudan he came clean basically about everything so that's why
1:13:08
we we had this we have a lot of quotes about this from him so he then took Bella and dumped her body
1:13:16
in the other wall tank there was two tanks sitting next to each other he later would say quote I couldn't this
1:13:24
is so protest the way he phrased this I understand I understand what he meant but the way he phrase was really
1:13:29
grotesque the quote is I couldn't believe how easy it was to just let her drop through the hole and let her go I
1:13:35
heard the splash when she hit the oil the part of this like grotes like where he's like I can't look how easy it was to let her go because like I get what
1:13:42
he's saying but your daughter you know I mean it just it's your friend wow so
1:13:49
so turning back to Chris's girlfriend Nicole on this stage the day of the
1:13:54
murderer she uh he texts her saying that his wife had taken the kids on a play date and never returned
1:14:01
she ended up learning that Chris was still married because of that news report I mentioned earlier that was absolutely just like gut-wrenchingly
1:14:08
cringe she would ask him about his family and he would just kind of avoid answering
1:14:13
questions or change the subject so like she's getting to like something is happening here because I mean if she
1:14:19
watched the same video that we all did of that interview it's obvious that there's something going on here yeah
1:14:25
she later would State quote it got to a point that he was telling me so many lies that I eventually told him that I
1:14:31
did not want to speak to him again until his family was found so she was like setting that boundary like no no like
1:14:38
you're something's going on you're doing something like you can't talk to me anymore going back to so shortly
1:14:44
thereafter you know this trial became the trial itself was actually really cut and dried because Chris pled guilty to
1:14:51
the murders like there is no what's the defense there's like there's zero way to defend this case right so
1:14:58
he confessed the murders he pled guilty he was only spared the death penalty
1:15:03
because shenan's family requested the state not pursue it thinking that like there's already been enough death we don't need to kill somebody else in the
1:15:10
middle of all this that's nice of them but is it though because to me I'm like I imagine the life you had and then
1:15:18
imagine that you're going to sell for 23 hours a day and you're like 33 years old like
1:15:24
I think I would rather take the needle totally no you're right so I feel like they they were like so who knows what they were actually
1:15:31
thinking but maybe they're like let that man suffer by himself for the next 50 years the piece of [ __ ] yeah yeah which
1:15:38
I think um yeah he received five life sentences without the possibility of parole and then another 48 years for the
1:15:44
unlawful termination of Shan's pregnancy and another 36 years for three counts of
1:15:50
tampering with a deceased body for what he did to them after they were dead he is being housed at a Maximum Security
1:15:56
Prison in Wisconsin now he had to be moved around quite a bit because his profiles were his crime was so high
1:16:02
profile and because he committed this crime against his own kids that he's not allowed to mingle and he
1:16:09
can't socialize with general population because somebody will kill him like immediately right it's presumed now that
1:16:15
he's in protective custody and that he's in solitary confinement which essentially means that he's in his cell for 23 hours a day he gets one hour out
1:16:21
for wreck time and that's basically it he essentially has no interactions with any other human being in real life so in
1:16:28
person yeah I don't recall where I heard this but I do remember hearing that he sometimes
1:16:34
will have visual hallucinations where he will see the girls in his prison cell with him which yeah like I totally believed this
1:16:43
I think that you know again like if like again he's not even 40. he's still
1:16:48
in his 30s and you know you have a minimum 30 like 60 years left so you die
1:16:55
in this prison cell like you're probably gonna start seeing [ __ ] yeah apparently they haunt the [ __ ] out of
1:17:01
him oh man like yeah yeah you know what like I'm not gonna say I
1:17:07
get it but okay you went into a blind rage you killed your wife okay
1:17:13
I had like an hour to think about this with your kids like that's the part of
1:17:19
it that is like the hardest one for me to like actually digest it's like yeah what he did to the girls like that's so
1:17:25
next level crazy yeah sorry he should be haunted for sure but
1:17:33
um it hasn't stopped uh his adoration from women so he apparently gets a ton
1:17:38
of like sexy photos and letters and stuff like that from women who are in
1:17:44
love with him so yeah that's a whole subject is dating
1:17:49
it's getting that hard like I don't know I just feel like it's that hard that you have to like
1:17:55
write someone a murderer an email or I don't know I mean
1:18:02
dating someone well adjusted is hard obviously these women are not well adjusted right is that safe to say like
1:18:10
they're probably yeah probably some like cobwebs and bats in their brains floating around there I
1:18:17
yeah and I don't yeah I don't I don't I don't get it I don't know what it is like is it it's there's something real
1:18:25
I don't know like I don't understand what could possibly be when you find you're like I have to it's a convicted
1:18:31
murderer I feel like I remember reading in the beginning of those people were like there's no way you did it I love you you're like you said he did it
1:18:38
what is wrong with you isn't it I feel like this is another plug for whatever or won't you because women in their 30s
1:18:45
getting dressed for it so I either find a widow who's like a Widow by not murder
1:18:52
there's a Widow by not murder is anyone a marketing executive that wants to talk to me about whatever oh yeah please give
1:18:58
me a call I'm trying to get we're trying to get famous people um
1:19:03
if we can get famous and help widows you know what that is that is the sweetest reward of all so the house itself
1:19:13
um Saratoga Lane they purchased a house in 2013 for just shy of 400 000 the
1:19:19
house was listed for sale starting in April of 2019 I don't actually have the very very
1:19:25
first original price that was listed for but counting the price changes
1:19:31
um there was 19 price changes from when the house listed until a few months
1:19:36
later in July of 2019 ultimately the house ended up being priced somewhere around 415 000 at which point the
1:19:43
listing was just completely removed somebody yeah the Steelers to the house I I actually don't know what happens in
1:19:50
these situations like I would assume so Chris owns the house but obviously he's
1:19:55
in jail so his assets and his liabilities I don't know what happened well is there
1:20:02
like a a is that what the Civil Trial is for for like um what's it called like like the money
1:20:08
that like for the family to like get money like like Ron Goldman's family you know that's where they were able to like Sue and try
1:20:15
to get the money now that they didn't do it for the money but isn't that the longer money's involved so they they
1:20:21
didn't have this yeah yeah it's it that's where the punishment isn't prison it's money but they didn't have
1:20:29
that I mean Chris has nothing right like he has an assets he has nothing let's like maybe maybe oh you know what
1:20:35
actually maybe maybe it would have gone to shenanza state maybe it would have gone to schenza
1:20:41
State and then if she didn't have a will then it would have just gone to her parents because her kids were dead so yeah oh he goes It goes up to the
1:20:48
parents so maybe it was it was them that actually started listing the house yeah yeah I mean it just feels like seriously
1:20:57
you can't believe that nobody bought it yeah I can't believe I'm about it because it's like a nice house and a nice neighborhood and like what else
1:21:02
like big shirts they could sell it for like half that you know just like get rid of it right
1:21:08
I mean what a that helps with scare these [ __ ] out of
1:21:15
me totally but they don't want why but they don't want it anymore I would just want to be like get it out of my everything I never want to think about
1:21:21
it again oh oh you're saying the family yeah okay okay yeah yeah just list of
1:21:27
like 50 000 she gives a [ __ ] just like get it get it sold yeah um absolutely nothing to do with this place get rid of
1:21:33
it somehow some way this house was purchased like what would
1:21:40
it be it would be four months ago really four months ago the house sold and it apparently sold for 600 000 whoa that's
1:21:47
way more yeah way more I don't I don't maybe I don't know maybe
1:21:52
like the bad vibes wore off because six hundred thousand dollars for that house seems like a lot I mean that is
1:21:59
you're living on a in a ghost house like well well yes but there's plenty like
1:22:08
you're advocating I feel like you're really advocating for this house well no I just feel like I feel like there's tons of murder houses like that Los
1:22:14
Angeles motor house that was so cool like fascinating where that guy killed his family and then like it was like a time capsule inside and they said there
1:22:20
were like Christmas presents that were still there because he happened on Christmas Eve and like all this stuff that was like real fun and spooky and
1:22:26
then someone bought it and they gutted it and then they ran out of the money so they just like sold it again gutted and it was like that's super disappointing
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because it was really cool like a cool 60s Time Capsule and like you stayed at A Haunted House Hotel once
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didn't you yeah yeah but didn't we talk about buying that house like pooling a bunch of our money together having like
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multiple multiple people go in and buy that together too yeah but but I think it's a general I think it's like um
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Generations removed thing so I think that if the people who were killed would
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have been dead anyways that is the right amount of time to wait before living in a Mercury house I think that's fair yeah
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okay so so like so hold on So Okay so the youngest would have been Nico so he
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hadn't been born yet so let's say this happened in 2018 so let's say he probably wouldn't live past a hundred so
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like in 21 20 is like when that house isn't officially scary anymore I think that's her that's
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the rule which made it up but I mean it's a long time to wait I know I know especially with modern
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houses I'm gonna actually be seeing at that point but yeah we're in a recession
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yeah yeah who can who can wait um but that's the case and like I said
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like look I know everybody's heard about it I try to find more obscure stuff I'm going to find more obscure stuff for next week but like I said this week was
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a nightmare um and also this case is incredibly like red flaggy and horrible and
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again like I mean okay so going back to the theme of the show a big red flag is
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don't let your partner get fit that's a really bad sign like just dose them with
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like bacon grease in their coffee or something like don't let them if I mean they're trying to run away if they're trying to get fit
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I just wonder like this like Middle America life what is that like you know when like the mom has the MLM and all of
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these social media posts talking about her family trying to I don't know what become an influencer and then the dad is
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like not great and there's like obviously weird it's so
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cliche it's such like a it's such like a middle it's a middle of America boring story yeah
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yeah we have kids the dad has a mistress yeah it's um it was very Middle America
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yeah not middle American way it ends at Halloween Town is where it ends yeah oh
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those poor babies yeah just abandon your kids not your kids abandon your kids drop
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them off somewhere they had family that like would like he could have dropped them off at shenan's parents house and he could have driven for at least a week
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you know by the time Nicole showed up the kids would have been like waking up
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you just left them there you're right like yeah like it's like daddy's taking his passport in this wig and just
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leaving like do that he's gone yeah and they'll find him in like six to nine days tops you know but at least
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the girls are still alive he legit thought that he was gonna like move on with his life these guys are she's so stupid what an [ __ ]
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what a [ __ ] yeah anyways anyway that is our story for this week we will have
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more next week uh are there any disclaimers we want to throw out there or any request sailor yes I definitely
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want to again thank everybody who gives us good feedback and it has liked us liked us on Apple podcasts and left
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reviews there that is really the way for other people to find our podcast so um we actually yesterday I was looking at
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our stats and we crossed 900 downloads so super awesome that that you know people have been listening to I know a
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lot of those are me listening over and over again but still um it's super exciting that people are listening so please share
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there might be someone in your life who'd be interested in in listening to our stories because we're having a
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really good time telling them and we want people to listen yeah absolutely and I would also say if
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there's bad feedback also feel free to share that but I'm not farting I'm not recording
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myself for it it's like tell me anything else like just I'll tell you you know what I'll actually volunteer when I do
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choose to do that and I'll just punctuate it somewhere in the podcast and we'll include it in the descriptions
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but that does not happen yet great I should probably edit that out right
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that's that's hilarious well good for you thank you
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um awesome thanks well thanks Taylor have a great day uh hopefully the sickness wears off and thank you
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everyone for listening bye all [Music]