Let's talk about more bad US presidents! This week, we talked about our 29th, Warren G. Harding. A Republican who was subtly pushed into running by the Oil industry. The goal is to send Albert Fall to the Secretary of the Interior job & sell some US Navel Reserve Oil to the only bidders. Fall got super suspiciously rich. Harding probably would have been in trouble for turning a blind eye but he died before the trial, leaving "Keep Calm with Coolidge" to clean things up.
Let's talk about more bad US presidents! This week, we talked about our 29th, Warren G. Harding. A Republican who was subtly pushed into running by the Oil industry. The goal is to send Albert Fall to the Secretary of the Interior job & sell some US Navel Reserve Oil to the only bidders.
Fall got super suspiciously rich. Harding probably would have been in trouble for turning a blind eye but he died before the trial, leaving "Keep Calm with Coolidge" to clean things up.
Sources:
The Teapot Dome Scandal: How Big Oil Bought the Harding White House and Tried to Steal the Country - https://www.amazon.com/Teapot-Dome-Scandal-Harding-Country/dp/0812973372
https://coolidgefoundation.org/presidency/coolidge-chronology-15/
https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/silent-cal-coolidge
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/senate-stories/one-hundred-years-since-teapot-dome.htm
https://www.history.com/topics/roaring-twenties/teapot-dome-scandal
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Taylor joined the learned league. Do you know what that is
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number ba zero nine six.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not.
>> Taylor: What your country can do for you.
>> Farz: Taylor. We're back.
>> Taylor: We're back. Oh, my gosh. You know what I did? I'm just looking at my emails. I joined the learned league. Learned league. Do you know what that is?
>> Farz: No.
>> Taylor: Obviously, it's like a thing, like, to get into, I guess it's learned league. It's, I'm like the stupidest person here. So it's def. It's a, like a really hard trivia group they have to get invited into. And you, like, do these like, trivia battles against other people and you have to, like, give points to things and, like, everything. And I was like, oh, I've always wanted to be in this. And then this dude at work was like, I have an invitation. Anybody want it? And I was like, yes. I'm gonna kill it. I am so phenomenally bad at this. It is unfucking believable. I'm like number 24 out of 25 in my group for the past. I've only been doing it for a week. I'm just so bad at it. It's really wild for trivia. Yeah, it's like so hard.
>> Farz: You know, a lot of pop culture, and that's what most trivia is.
>> Taylor: It is. I know. I know a lot of trivia. I have it on my resume that I'm really good at trivia and I think I'm really good at it. And this is humbling, to say the least.
>> Farz: Is it like fantasy sports but for nerds? Kinda learned league.
>> Taylor: Okay, maybe learned league. I think I might be saying it wrong.
>> Farz: Well, I think it's the same spelling it is.
>> Taylor: And so now I just feel dumb.
>> Farz: No, I think it's. I say learned. Okay, great, so we're both dumb.
Taylor: I want to bet that you can't guess who I'm talking about
Do you want to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yes. Hello. Welcome to doomed to fail, where the podcast that tells you history is most notorious disasters and epic failures two times a week. It is our second show of the week and I am Taylor, joined by farce.
>> Farz: I'm, fars. I'm here. I'm happy.
>> Taylor: Great. Okay. Last night I had this idea and I laughed so hard for like 15 minutes at myself. I want to bet that you can't guess who I'm going to talk about. And I was like, I'm willing to bet like $1,000 that far as we'll not guess this. Like, I will be $1,000. Right now. But then I'm like, yeah, I'm not a risk taker, so I'm going to bet you $100.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: If you get this right, I will give you. I'll venue you $100. Let's.
>> Farz: Okay. What's the. Do I get clues or.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Who was our 29th president?
>> Farz: McKinley.
>> Taylor: No. I'll then owe you $5 if you can tell me, who was the president after Wilson.
>> Farz: Cleveland.
>> Taylor: Cleveland is not a word.
>> Farz: No. Grover Cleveland. What did you think I said?
>> Taylor: You say Cleekland.
>> Farz: I said Grover Cleveland.
>> Taylor: Okay. No. So, I could have bet a million dollars that you wouldn't guess that I wouldn't have gotten it, either. It was hard, but I was laughing at, like, trying to make you bet, and then I was, like, laughing at how scared I was to have to possibly give you a $1,000 if you got that right.
>> Farz: I think you took a short position against my intellect, and you won.
>> Taylor: I was like, oh. So 29th president of the United States was Warren G. Harding. So this is my bad president series. That's casual. So it happens whenever I feel like it. So we're going to talk about Warren G. Harding and the teapot dome scandal.
>> Farz: Have you heard of it? I absolutely have.
>> Taylor: Have you really?
>> Farz: Yeah. T bot dome was like. That was. I mean, I think every kid learns that in school.
>> Taylor: I don't think I learned it in school, but maybe since Illinois is less of an oil place than Texas. Do you have, like, an oil history class?
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, we have. We have armadillo class.
>> Taylor: We have oil history.
>> Farz: We have, tin can hat. class.
>> Taylor: Oh, that's cool. Like, you, like, kind of open it halfway and then where does that.
>> Farz: You just wear a can of beans on your head.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Love that. Okay, cool, cool, cool. I'm glad. I'm excited.
Warren G. Harding became the republican candidate for president in 1920
So I'm going to tell you about Warren G. Harding. The G stands for Godfrey gamaliel. Gambling.
>> Farz: I looked at old timey names were so stupid.
>> Taylor: It's a. I was like, is it, like, a maiden name of a thing? But gamaliel is a saint. I'm. And a doctor in the Bible. I don't know, whatever. That's not. That's the g stands for.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: He was born November 2, 1865, in Ohio. He has, like, the general presidential job life where he goes to school and studies law and does some stuff. Eventually, he buys a newspaper in the town of Marion, Ohio, called the Marion Star. We'll talk about that later. So keep that in mind. He was. Then he went into politics. He was in the Ohio Senate. He was lieutenant governor of Ohio, and he became the republican candidate for president in 1920. So this is the time when, like, the candidate wouldn't go to the convention. and guess where the convention was?
>> Farz: Chicago.
>> Taylor: Chicago. Good job. so he was nominated on the 10th ballot in that. So, similarly to, like, I always mentioned Lincoln, I'm m sure there's many others who. It's, like, not your first choice, but, like, maybe your second or third. And then it gets down to, like, that person. incidentally, he ran against James Cox, who was a Democrat, who had FDR as his vice president. And James Cox was nominated on the 44th ballot at the DNC. Can you imagine? I. If we had, like, a competitive.
>> Farz: That'd be so fun, though.
>> Taylor: It'd be so fun.
>> Farz: Yeah, I hope so.
>> Taylor: Next time like that or something, or whenever. Just like, it'd be fun.
>> Farz: Taylor. We could pick up, like, smoking cigarettes and it'll be totally justified. We'd just smoke, like, a week straight. Wouldn't it be fun?
>> Taylor: That sounds like the most fun thing ever is to go there and smoke cigarettes and just hang out with you and just make fun of people.
>> Farz: We have a great time.
>> Taylor: I would love it. James Cox is going to lose to Harding by. He loses the 20. He loses the popular vote by 26.17%, which is, like, huge.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And it was. It was the worst since, 1820. So. Yeah. But while, Harding was running for president, he ran a front porch campaign, which is very smart. He didn't leave his house. He just sat on the front porch and journalists came to him and he told them, like, what he wanted to do. his big campaign was a return to normalcy because it'd been a pretty crazy couple decades. So you start with Teddy Roosevelt, then Taft, then Wilson. World war one just ended. They're just about to. This is the same time as, the molasses flood. So they're just about to pass prohibition. Women are about to vote for the first time, so things are kind of riled up. Harding, his wife, he married a woman who was four years older than him. her name was Florence. And, she is the first woman who got to vote for her husband for president, which is cool.
>> Farz: No way. That's so cool.
>> Taylor: Right? Because we finally were able to vote, and then she was the first person to the election to do so. That was cool. he called her the duchess. She controlled a lot of his stuff. and she had been, She was divorced and had a child when she married. When she married him. Harding was not black, which needs to be said because people would, like, accuse him of being black. And, it was like a rumor that he had been. And some people were like, he's our first black president. Cause he had a little bit of African American whatever. He did not. That's not true. It was to discredit him.
>> Farz: He didn't look black, did he?
>> Taylor: No. and later they did DNA on his, like, descendants, and he was not. But he looks.
>> Farz: He looks like the president of, like, a golf club resort.
>> Taylor: That's great.
Harding had a lot of affairs, even for presidential standards
I wanted to hear what you thought about what he looks like, because the book I read. Oh, I didn't sense. I read a book on the cheap hot dome scandal and some articles that I'll share with you. But, people were like, he looks like. We think George Washington might have looked like. You can kind of see it. You know, he has, like, a strong nose. I mean, they were like, he looks presidential because I think he looks presidential. Yeah. Yeah. So that was obviously, like, helpful as well, you know. so he wasn't black, but for the time, he was, like, very, like, presidential looking. And people really liked that. People liked that as well, of course. Makes sense.
>> Farz: Mitt Romney, of his time.
>> Taylor: He does kind of. It's a Mitt Romney vibe.
>> Farz: Except he won president.
>> Taylor: Right. Wow.
>> Farz: Got him.
>> Taylor: Unexpected. Dig it. Rappy. For no reason.
>> Farz: I was out of nowhere.
>> Taylor: So, Harding had a lot of affairs, like, a lot, even for presidential standards. And, for example, he wanted to get to DC before his wife did during inauguration time, because his mistress, Nan Britton, was there with their baby. He'd already had a baby with his mistress. He had, like, several of them. And that baby, Elizabeth Ann Britton, later, via DNA, they would prove that she was his son, his daughter, even though he had obviously, like, he knew that she was his daughter.
>> Farz: that is one thing I will say about, like, the olden days that has us be. It was so much easier to have, like, affairs and second families because, like, who's. Nobody's gonna take photos and post them. Nobody even has a camera. Nobody. It's all word of mouth.
>> Taylor: I mean, I think everybody knew. Oh, okay. Well, but, definitely, definitely Florence knew, and she was like, you know, not happy about it, obviously, but, like, still, you know, supported him in his candidacy and all of that. But, no, I think everybody knew. he was also, like, a big drinker and loved to play poker, and he, like, in a bad way, like, he'd be at parties and he'd be like, too drunk. And people would be like, we have to get the president out of here. You know, I've been there. which is. Yeah, but like, yeah, exactly. Like, we're not the president of the United States. You shouldn't do that. this is also similarly, a couple. There's some characters that we've talked about before that come in and out of this story. And, he, the, lawyer for Fatty Arbuckle that you talked about a long time ago will be in this story eventually. I didn't write it down, but they're involved somehow. But just like Fanny Arbuckle, harding was at a party where a young woman died. I think this woman, like, threw a bottle and it hit her in the head. And he had to be like, whisked away by secret service because he was like, should not have been there because also it's prohibition. So, like, obviously everybody in the government is still drinking, but like, you know, jeez, think so? So Harding becomes president. The campaign is like, return to normalcy. We just had a war. It was crazy. Let's continue to stability, conservative values. He's a republican, all those things. the economy did have a little bit of a boom, obviously, because this is the 1920s, so this is the beginning of the twenties. post war stuff. Everyone is the golden era, right? Doing pretty well. Yeah. he also had some diplomatic success, getting some, like, naval arms race treaties signed, after the war as well. and he signed a. Just like some highlights of his, of his, presidency. He signed a bill to, set a quota on immigration, which is like one of the first big, beginning of like a more restrictive Us immigration policy after the war happened, harding. But all of that is going to be overshadowed by the teapot dome scandal.
Jacob Hammond was the person who got Harding elected in 1911
so teapot dome is a place in Wyoming. Wyoming. You should have bet on that one. a place in Wyoming where there is oil and it was part of the us naval reserves for oil. you know, you know, everyone knows that Teddy Roosevelt loved the national parks. So he was like the president who, like, started a bunch of national parks, got to talk about it. He liked them in like, a rich white guy way where he wanted to, like, go hunting and document every bird he found and stuffed them himself, you know, very tr and Taft, who came after him, set aside land for conservation, but also for naval or oil reserves. So just like an area in the United States that we know has oil that is there in case the US needs it in case of emergency. Right.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's like the reserves we have. I mean, we still do this.
>> Taylor: Yes, I looked it up. I'll tell you about what we do now. Yeah. It's also right after standard oil gets cut up into pieces. That happened in 1911. So people are like finding more oil out west and there's not that like huge monopoly that there was a standard oil. It's kind of like there's more people, more oil men in the oil business. Make sense?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: So this was the biggest scandal until Watergate that a president had ever done. And essentially, who would it be? There were so many payoffs to the secretary of the interior for people to, drill for oil on teapot dome and some other naval reserves. so some of the oil men who are in this story, oilmen, they're just like people who are like. A lot of them are like kind of self starter guys who went out west and found oil, you know. and a lot of them, became, part of a group called the Ohio gang, which operated out of the little house on K Street in DC, a little greenhouse on K Street in DC where they would meet and like, discuss like, who they were gonna bribe and things like that. So I'll tell you about all of them. But first, the person who wasn't responsible really, for getting hard in Harding on, the ballot, Washington, Jacob Hammond. He was an oil man, very involved in the republican party. And he was the one who went around trying to get people to vote for Harding because he knew that he would be able to, like, get past Harding to be able to drill on this land that he knew had oil. And, he got in with the Harding family and he was like, going to get a position in DC. but Jacob Hammond lived with a woman named, Clara Smith Hammond. They had the same last name because he had Clara marry his nephew so that they would have the same last name. They wouldn't have problems traveling because he was already married.
>> Farz: I kind of love this guy. How is he the worst president?
>> Taylor: No, no, that was, that wasn't harding. That was Hammond, the person who got Harding elected.
>> Farz: Got it.
>> Taylor: So Hammond, Hammond met Clara when she was 16 and he was 40 and like, convinced her to like, change her life and like go with him. so he had this woman he was always with, but he was married and his wife was Florence Harding's second cousin. So his real wife was the second cousin to Florence Harding, who was the wife of the candidate for president. Right. And Flo. Flo is like, absolutely fucking not. you cannot come to DC and be a part of this cabinet with your mistress. You have to go back to your family, you know? So Hammond. So Hammond is like, okay, so he's in a hotel with Clara, and he tells her that they need to break up and she shoots him and he dies four days later. so he was like, basically the instigator for getting Harding president, but he didn't even make it to the presidential stuff. later, Clara will be found not guilty and she, just kind of got off and lived her life with him. so later, there's more, kind of corruption in the RNC where a man named, Oh, a man, obviously, hayes of the Hays code. You know this person?
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: So he was actually the chairman of the RNC when they were during this, election. And then he became postmaster general of the United States, but he didn't really want it, that job. and. Cause I assume it's just approving mailbox designs. Does your mailbox, say approved by the postgres journal? He left so hard. I'm like, I can imagine him in his office being like, yes, this mailbox. This mailbox is good. so he quit that job and then moved to Hollywood and then established the Hays code, et cetera, and all that stuff, which was incredible. Yeah. So he's gonna come back and testify during the, trial for teapot dome to say that he got, liberty bonds, which are like, you know, money held in Liberty bond, which is a, as a bribe to pay off some of the RNC's debts to help get Harding elected. So that was all part of it, too. And it's all kind of because Harding's kind of a pushover and people just, like, know that he will be. So his. These group of guys who are these oil guys who are hanging out, as part of the Ohio gang that I mentioned, there are a bunch of them that are going to be, I'm going to highlight more than others, but there's Joseph Foraker, Warren Harding, obviously, Harry M. doherty, Jesse Smith, George Ramis. And then there's Albert Fall. Albert Fall is the biggest person in this. He's going to be, the person that is going to be ultimately convicted of this, of being the part of the scandal. He got the biggest bribes. He is not the reason we have the term fall guy, but it really could be in the book they said that he is the reason we have the term fall. Guy.
>> Farz: but that's literally what I thought when you first said his name. I was like, okay, he's gonna be the fall guy.
>> Taylor: I thought that too. But then Wikipedia says it was used at least 28, 20 years before in a play. But I think it didn't hurt that his name was fall. But, he's the person who did the leasing. He was secretary of the interior, but he didn't want to, like, help the interior in a conservation way. He was like, we. He's like, I don't care about how people are going to get energy in the future. Maybe they'll use the sun. I don't know. Right now, we need oil, you know? So he was like, trying to get the oil out. there's Edwin Denby, who would be secretary of the Navy, Henry Ford Sinclair.
Henry Sinclair leased teapot dome to Henry Fall in 1922
He's the head of mammoth oil. And so he's one of, he's one of the people who got the lease for teapot dome. And, in the end, Sinclair is going to spend about six months in jail. Another one is Edward Doheny. He is an oil tycoon who leased, the elk Hills oil reserve, just like another oil reserve that was near teapot dome. he also just thought was fun. He's the guy who discovered the La Bretar pits in LA.
>> Farz: Dohany is like one of the most famous streets, Grey's manor. Like, that's the, that's Doheny's estate in Beverly Hills.
>> Taylor: Yeah, exactly. So he was a good there. I don't think so.
>> Farz: Oh, it's incredible. It's so. It's so. It's like Hearst Castle level.
>> Taylor: I love doing that. Awesome. cool. There's also Charles Forbes and Thomas Miller. So those. That's the Ohio gang. So here's what happened. In 1922, fall leased teapot dome to Henry Sinclair of mammoth oil. And, it's called teapot dome because a giant rock formation, it doesn't look like a teapot, it's just like rocks, but whatever, use your imagination. And, that's where the oil was. They were the navy oil reserves. and then this is where I looked up. We do have an oil reserve at four sites on the Gulf of Mexico with a capacity of 727 million barrels of crude oil today. So they're able to withdrawal from those sites 4.4 million barrels a day today if they needed it.
>> Farz: From t bow Dome?
>> Taylor: No, no, no, just from the four other. This is like, today there's the four reserves that are around the Gulf of Mexico, and that's how much is in it? Got it. It's not in teapot dome. Teapot dome. I think they pretty much ran dry. Yeah. so fall had gone very suspiciously from a man in debt to a man with a lot of money. Like, whatever. Maybe you won't know, but there will be science, you know, like, he had the big debt on his farm. He paid that off right away. and it turns out that doheny had given him about 100k, which is about $1.7 million today. and he got gifts in the form of liberty bonds from Sinclair for another $300,000. So about, like, $7 million. He got, to, Well, so he had the authority to lease these lands, but he had to, like, take them away from the navy and then have competitive bidding to have people lease them. He did none of that. He just had them sign the lease, and he put it in his desk drawer and tried not to tell anybody.
>> Farz: So that's the laziest way to do something.
>> Taylor: You can't take bribes. You can, but you shouldn't. so, during this time also, president Harding came into a lot of money. He, had his newspaper, the Marion newspaper, that we talked about, sold for, like, $200,000. And it was not at all worth that. So that's kind of a very suspicious thing that might have happened. he also was planning to go on a world tour after his presidency on a huge yacht for an entire year, all expenses paid by rich people. So, like, that's suspicious.
>> Farz: This all reminds me of that scene in Goodfellas when they do the Lufthansa heist, and then they're at the bar celebrating. It's like Christmas time. And, Robert De Niro's character is like, he sees people pulling up with, like, brand new cadillacs and new fur coats. Like, did I tell you? Didn't I tell you not to spend a dollar on anything? Take it back where you got it. Take it back. It's the exact same story.
>> Taylor: It's exactly that. You're like, oh, now you're wearing a mink coat and your debts are all paid. So weird. but good for you.
President Harding died in office in 1923 from a heart attack
so one day, Harding was going, ah, on a trip to Alaska. He was, like, the first president to go to Alaska. And he was on a boat, and he was talking to Herbert Hoover, who was going to be president later. and he said, if you knew a great scandal in our administration, would. Would you, for the good of the country and the party, expose it publicly? Or would you bury it. And, Herbert Hoover said that he would say, publish it. Get credit for integrity on your side. And Harding said it might be politically dangerous for me, basically. Like, I can't do that. Well, that is some shit. So, Harding would have been, We would have known a little bit more about his involvement had he not died in office. He died at the age of 57 on August 2, 1923. He had a heart attack. He had a couple days of, like, feeling shitty. They gave him, like, caffeine, make him feel better because it was 1923, and, eventually he had a heart attack, and he died. So Calvin Coolidge is now the president. Cool.
>> Farz: Is that the end?
>> Taylor: No, I'm just telling you. I'm just making sure that you're caught up. not bad. We're close to the end. So Calvin Coolidge is going to be president now. He knew less about the scandals. M but he was, He didn't want it to, like, tarnish his presidency as well. So he allowed it to go to a, Senate committee hearing to, Senator John B. Kendrick. He agreed that Sinclair should not have gotten the, gotten the rights just so easily and by himself without having, any competition. So they have a. A hearing and a lot of, like, a couple of guys who die by suicide. there's one guy, I think, doheny's son dies in, like, a really weird murder suicide with his friend. So a couple, like, suspicious things happen, kind of, like, during that happen that.
>> Farz: Happened at gray's manor. That's part of the tour, that he died there.
>> Taylor: Yes, exactly. Exactly. So, definitely feels like a little. A little weird that, like, That, like, that happened during that time. the senate investigation will go on for several years. and Albert fall is going to be convicted of accepting bribes. he's the first former Us cabinet member to be imprisoned for crimes committed while he was in office. and then, I think Henry Sinclair is also going to go to jail. But he has a good time. He gets to go to a rich person jail, and he gets to be a pharmacist. So he gets to drink all the time, because the place is full of, pharmaceutical booze. so, yeah, so I think that is it. Because fall was convicted, he went to jail. Harding's, reputation was then tarnished because of it. But we'll never really know exactly how much he knew or any of those things because he died and he was unable to tell anybody. But it sounds like it's pretty suspicious that he had all these guys around him who were just getting richer and richer, off of. Of this stuff.
Taylor: Cheney should be in jail for selling oil reserves to another company
teapot dome then stayed, idle for about 50 years. In 1976, it went, back into production. And it is. In 2015, the US Department of Energy sold it to, another oil resources group. But I think it has a lot less stuff in it right now.
>> Farz: So why is he the worst president?
>> Taylor: He's not. I'm not saying he's worst president. I'm saying I'm doing bad presidents. So, Harding, like, allowed this scandal to happen under his nose while his friends bribed and got rich.
>> Farz: Didn't Halliburton get a no bid contract to rebuild Iraq?
>> Taylor: Probably.
>> Farz: Like, I I assume this is just how business is done.
>> Taylor: Well, I mean, it is. It isn't. It isn't like it is, but, like, it shouldn't be. Like, that's. I think that's the point. Like, as a secretary of interior, you should not be taking $6 million from oil people to give them the naval oil reserves to make $500 million, you know? Yeah, you shouldn't do that.
>> Farz: I mean, under. Under that logic, then Dick Cheney should also be in jail.
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Oh, okay. Well, then, yeah, we agree. Dick Cheney should be in. Okay, yeah, I see your point. We're on the same page. He's still alive, Taylor.
>> Taylor: I. He is. Like, he doesn't have a pulse, right?
>> Farz: He's got, like, four hearts.
>> Taylor: I don't even know. Well, is he, like, 300 years old?
>> Farz: He's gonna be up there.
>> Taylor: He is. He's 83. God, I don't know. He feels older. I.
>> Farz: He seemed like he was 83 when he was vice president.
>> Taylor: No, totally.
>> Farz: So. So what, So what do we do now with oil reserves?
>> Taylor: I think they're sitting there in case we need them, but, like, you could probably, like, regulate them in case of an oil crisis. But they've never really done that. But I think it's, like, supposed to be if we need it for, like.
>> Farz: War tomorrow, didn't trump, release a ton of oil reserves?
>> Taylor: I don't know.
>> Farz: That sounds familiar. I think Trump did at some point. I it was, like, a Covid thing, or. I forgot what happened, but I remember, like, those, like, the first sounds like, oh, wow, we're actually using it.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So fun. All right, well, that's a fun little man. Dick Cheney just chugging along with his, like, 15 heart attacks. The God keeps trying to bring him home, and he just keeps fighting it.
>> Taylor: I don't think it's. God is bringing him home.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I think it was on. I think it was on american. American dad, because the dad works at sand, works at the FBI, and they, like, found a cell phone, and they were like, oh, who's calling? And they were like, oh, it's. Look at the recent calls. And it's like, oh, they called the devil. They called da da da. Oh, it's supposed to be Dick Cheney's phone. That's it.
>> Farz: I love that we have, like, a famous bad daddy.
>> Taylor: yeah, lots of them, but there's lots of them. but, yeah, this was a fun one. And, yeah, it's funny that, like, you know, haze is there. There's going to be, like, you know, Calvin Coolidge is going to, you know, really distanced itself from it. But then, like, you know, there's a lot of future presidents in the story, too. You know, like, FDR was running against him. There's. He talked to Herbert Hoover. So, like, all these people are just kind of, like, lifting each other up, even in different ways. Oh, you know, what I forgot to say is that, there was an election for Calvin Coolidge during the trial that Coolidge did win. but the Democrat that he was running against, I know that, Eleanor Roosevelt really wanted Al Smith to be president during this time, but he was too catholic for people, and he was too New York for, like, the south. But one of the things that Eleanor Roosevelt would do was drive around when they were campaigning with a big teapot on top of her car and find a photo of this.
>> Farz: That's kind of fun.
>> Taylor: Remind people about it.
All I know about Truman is that he dropped the atomic bomb
>> Farz: That is kind of fun.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Sweet. I like your president history. There's such a vast, like, there's this middle tier that's totally forgettable. but it obviously had huge implications, so.
>> Taylor: Yeah, totally. Like, I mean, I want to do.
>> Farz: A Truman one, because all I know about Truman is that he dropped the atomic bomb. But what else did he do? Did he do anything besides. Besides that?
>> Taylor: That's a really good question. I think so. But I don't. I don't know. I would love to learn. I feel like I learned about him a little bit. but, yeah. I can't find a picture of this teapot car for Eleanor, if anyone has one.
>> Farz: That is a mid journey question.
>> Taylor: It is. Oh, you're totally right. Oh, my God. you'll probably be very, very close to it. Very close. also, like, Anna Roosevelt Longworth, who is, Annie is PR's daughter. She's gonna be at all the teapot dome hearings and stuff. She was just there to be gossipy, which is fun.
>> Farz: This does feel like a really fun time to be alive.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Sweet. Well, thank you. Thank you for sharing. and congratulations for keeping your thousand dollars.
>> Taylor: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
>> Farz: The problem is, you know me too well to ever ask me a question.
>> Taylor: It's not like you would ever, like, take that bet. You're not going to give me a. Was going to give you a $1,000.
>> Farz: Yes, true. It would have been unfair, and it would have been unfair on all accounts.
>> Taylor: I don't even think that's exactly what betting is.
>> Farz: That's not what betting is.
>> Taylor: So,
>> Farz: sweet.
If you support us, yes, please do. An Apple podcast review will be awesome. Um, stars are good words as well
Okay, well, do you have, anything to read out before we wrap the last.
>> Taylor: Just one thing that we had mentioned, irish names, because I mentioned my friend Seamus and my friend Morgan said her favorite irish name is Siobhandhe. and I watched this movie or this show called Bodkin on Netflix. It's not very good. It's about a podcast and kind of hurt my feelings. Cause it's like, oh, yeah. Like, you're, Like, you know, podcasts are stupid. Anyone can do them, which, fine, I get that. That's fine. But like, it's also not. Just not very good. The story's not very good. Like, we watched seven episodes and we were 20 minutes from the end last night, and I was like, I'm gonna go to bed. I don't care. But it's about a festival in Ireland called the Samhain festival that spelled Samhaindeh. So just another way that.
>> Farz: Okay. All right. Yeah, yeah, Seamus is better.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: sweet. Well, please, we'll sign off with. Please write to us at doom nflpodmail.com. find us all the socials at Dufell. Pod Taylor is doing inventory of everybody who is a subscriber. And if you're not on the list, then she's going to personally send you a. A very nasty letter.
>> Taylor: I did personally thank everyone who is both my follower and our follower.
>> Farz: And then you're also talking to your rattlesnake lady to ship a rattlesnake to everybody. That's not following. Right?
>> Taylor: Yeah, good call. Good call. and the irony is they will never listen to this.
>> Farz: They'll never know. They can't process.
>> Taylor: I, guess I can enact my revenge upon them.
>> Farz: There you go.
>> Taylor: I do have a revenge list after all.
>> Farz: See how easy it is?
>> Taylor: Support me. There you go. but if you support us, yes, please do. An Apple podcast review will be awesome. stars are good words would be awesome as well. go to our. Engage with our socials, engage with our YouTube. If you just subscribe and like, things like. That's really, really helpful. So please, please do that.
>> Farz: If you're hearing breathing on my mic, it's Luna breathing in my face. So apologies. Sweet. Anything else? Taylor. Taylor froze. So I'm going to go ahead and say. Say nope.
>> Taylor: That's it. Thank you.
>> Farz: That's it. Yeah.
>> Taylor: I'm coming back. I think we're fine.
>> Farz: Alrighty. I'm going to cut things off.