While reading the children's classic "Madeline," Taylor's kids asked her what an appendix is, and she had no idea. No longer classified as a vestigial structure (take that, Darwin), the appendix might help with regulating gut bacteria after an illness. We'll talk about Gabriele Falloppio, who was no doubt wrist-deep in a human body when he called the appendix worm-shaped in 1522. Claudius Amyand, who performed the first successful appendectomy in 1735 on an 11-year-old boy, and Charles McBurney, who pointed to a belly and said, 'Name that spot after me!' We're doctors now. #appendix #darwin #medicalhistory #madeline
While reading the children's classic "Madeline," Taylor's kids asked her what an appendix is, and she had no idea. No longer classified as a vestigial structure (take that, Darwin), the appendix might help with regulating gut bacteria after an illness.
We'll talk about Gabriele Falloppio, who was no doubt wrist-deep in a human body when he called the appendix worm-shaped in 1522. Claudius Amyand, who performed the first successful appendectomy in 1735 on an 11-year-old boy, and Charles McBurney, who pointed to a belly and said, 'Name that spot after me!'
We're doctors now.
#appendix #darwin #medicalhistory #madeline
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Taylor: We just got back from a wedding in Palm Springs
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number ba zero nine six. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.
>> Farz: And we are up and live and active. Hi, Taylor. How are you?
>> Taylor: Good, how are you?
>> Farz: I'm good. We're both a little bit tired. It was a long weekend, I think for both of us. You just got back from a wedding. Where was your wedding at?
>> Taylor: Was in Palm Springs. It was just down the hill, as, as you say. and, yeah, it was fun. It was like a really beautiful venue. And, we had a wonderful time. A lot of dancing. Yeah. Yeah. What'd you do? You're gone? He just left.
>> Farz: I thought. I didn't know what Luna was chewing on. It turns out it was her toy, so she was being a good girl. yeah. What did I do? What I do? What I do? Oh, I went, saw beetlejuice.
>> Taylor: what was it?
>> Farz: Yeah, it was so. I thought it was a little hokey, but overall, I mean, it was just good. I mean, it was good, it was good, but it was just like, you know, the first one is just such a cultural icon that you can't go in expecting to see something as good as that, you know? So, but no, highly recommended. Go see it. Go check it out. Also found this new, show on Netflix called, my crazy x. And it is terrifying. It is insane.
>> Taylor: Some of the stories, is it like a documentary?
>> Farz: Yeah, it's like every episode is like an hour or so long, covers like an x and it's just like the craziest stuff I've ever heard. So highly recommend that too. do you want to go ahead and introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yes. Hello, everyone. Welcome to doomed to fail, where the podcast that brings you history's most notorious failures and epic disasters twice a week, every week. And I am Taylor, joined yours.
>> Farz: Always here, always happy. so Taylor, I think I have a sense of what you're going to cover today.
>> Taylor: I, don't think you do.
>> Farz: Nevermind then.
>> Taylor: I know I've been prepping. You mean like, are you on my facebook post?
>> Farz: Yes, yes.
>> Taylor: No, no, no. Absolutely. I absolutely want to. I'm m gonna do that next week because, it's going to be, it's so emotional. So, I didn't have time to finish the book and I was like, I'm gonna race through it. So, like, if I have to race through it, like, I don't want to, I don't want to do that. So I will do that. Next week. I have, like, a kind of short and weird one for you today.
>> Farz: Love it. Love weird.
What is an appendix? What does it do? Why do we have one
>> Taylor: Okay. So, have you read this book?
>> Farz: Madeline. Yeah. So probably not the book. I do remember the movie there.
>> Taylor: So, Madeleine is a little french girl. I just showed you this. I didn't show it to everybody else. We're not video. Video mediums. Look, I have this pop up thing. My friend Laura gave me this. I'm gonna baby shower for flow. But isn't this cool? It's Paris.
>> Farz: That is so cool. Did she make.
>> Taylor: No, but that's a great question. She might.
>> Farz: That's something that she might have. Yeah, I was gonna say she could do.
>> Taylor: No, it comes. It comes in this book. So I'm gonna read you a little bit, and I need you to fill in the last word. And you'll get it. Because it's a rhyming. It's a rhyme. So Madeline lives in this not orphanage, in, like, a boarding school. And with a bunch of other little girls. And their teacher is named Miss Clavell. So they've been hanging out. In the middle of one night, Miss Clavell turned on her light and said, something is not right. Little Madeleine sat in bed, cried and cried. Her eyes were red. And soon after doctor cone came, he rushed out to the phone and he dialed Dan Tun. Ten six. Nurse. He said, it's an appendix. I'm talking about appendixes.
>> Farz: Oh. Just like. I was like, I have no idea where that one's going.
>> Taylor: I thought you might. I thought you might know.
>> Taylor: What is an appendix? What does it do? Why do we have one? All that. That's what I'm gonna talk about today.
>> Farz: Fun.
Your appendix is a little organ that hangs off of your intestines
>> Taylor: The kids asked me and I was like, I have no fucking clue.
>> Farz: I don't know either. I know that when I was in college, I had this university, doctor. And had this really bad, like, pain in, like, my stomach area. And he told me to go get it checked out of the ER, for an append. Appendix issue. And I didn't. And I went back to him, like, a couple days later, and he was like, oh, my God. You gotta get on. Get down right now. Like, he was. He was treating my body as though, like a grenade was about to go off. And so that's my only assumption.
>> Taylor: Yeah. He could have died.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's my only ass. Well, there was no problem. So I probably just ate bad tacos.
>> Farz: But, yeah, that's the only thing I know, is that they can go off in your body and just kill you out of nowhere.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah. so your appendix is like a little organ, and it, like, hangs off of your intestines. So, like, you have all that junk and new, and in your intestines, it, like, kind of hangs off the end. Like, little hangy thing. Looks like a worm. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you a little bit more about that. So that's what it is. it's an average about three and a half inches, long for, like, most people. it's in your lower body near your right, hip. So, like, under your belly button near your right hipaa. And then it kind of, like, hangs into your pelvis, potentially. Or is, like, squished around. other animals have them as well. Like, rabbits have them and, like, other ones do too. they. Darwin. Charles Darwin thought it might be a vestigial structure, which is something that, is, you know, out evolution. Like, we don't need it anymore, but our bodies still have it. Like a tailbone. Right?
>> Farz: Yeah, makes sense.
>> Taylor: I'm super excited about, because I don't have a tail, but I broke my tailbone, so good for me. I think I broke my.
>> Farz: Tailbone when I was a kid, too. They always try to make me, like, climb the rope in gym class. I was always, like, a fat, chubby little boy, and I was like, dude, I can't climb the rope. And I kept falling back and, like, break my tailbone.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God, Farz. If you were like, Taylor, I will murder you, literally right now if you don't climb this rope. I would be. You would murder me? I couldn't do it. Like, I can't. I cannot climb a rope.
>> Farz: If we invented ladders, we solved this problem.
>> Taylor: It's like, yeah, anyways, no, no, you're totally right. We don't need to know how to do that. but they actually think that the appendix might do something these days. They think that it might help with gut bacteria, especially if you have diarrhea. It'll, like, hold the good bacteria and have it waiting for when you are, like, replenishing your. Your body, after you've been sick. So they see, they're seeing that people are like, it's something that they're discovering in developing countries, because diarrhea is the fourth cause of death in developing countries, the fourth leading cause, because you just, like, are sick all the time. It's. Wow. So they're, like, studying it down there, in developing countries. but we thought it didn't do anything for a while. when it gets inflamed, probably because it's blocked either by, you know, like an object that, like, got into it somehow. Like that you ate, like, that bad taco, like, got stuck in your. In your, like, in the appendix, like, through your, what's it called, your intestines. So, like, maybe, it's that. And, it'll start to feel a little bit of pain, and then you'll feel more and more like, where it actually is. Like, you'll feel it, it, like, throbbing. And at that point, it has to be removed or it will rupture. If it ruptures, you can get, peritonitis, which is like an inflamed abdominal lining, and that can lead to shock and lead to death. So you don't, you don't want to ignore it if it really is your appendix. And I think you would know, like, I feel like I know people I know who've had their appendix, like, rupture, almost rupture. Like, it's not like you have a stomach ache, you know, like, you can't move. It hurts so bad.
>> Farz: I was gonna. That was my question was like, because that's the part of that was always scared to me, is you could just happen and you wouldn't know. But it sounds like you would know.
>> Taylor: You would know. It's not like a brain aneurysm where you just, like, topple over. You know, it's like you feel the, you know, you feel it and it gets, like, worse and worse. and then you have to have an appendectomy. if you have yours taken out, usually you're fine. Like, you don't need it. And other parts of your body can do whatever it is doing, but it can be something that you, that you live without if you just have to get it taken out for whatever reason. so I'm sure that, like, the ancient romans and, like, ancient people knew a lot more about anatomy that, like, we know that they knew. You know what I mean?
The first person to talk about an appendix was named Gabrielle Fallopipio
Like, I'm sure there's ancient cultures who study this and, like, knew about it, and we don't know that they knew. but in, like, our recorded western history, the first person to, like, talk about an appendix was named Gabrielle Fallopipio in 1522 in Italy.
>> Farz: Well done. Well done.
>> Taylor: I did a little Italian, Gabrielle. So he was a humanist, like Poggio Braglini, who talked about before. This is during the renaissance. They're like, trying to study things that, like, they haven't studied in a long time. Like, we're coming out of the european dark ages. he studied, in, he lectured on anatomy and botany. He went to the best medical school in Italy, which sounds, like, hilarious and probably just a horror show called best. Well, it wasn't called the best, but it was one of the best schools. It was called I lost it, the University of Ferrara. But it was a great school. But I'm sure it was just people then walking around bloody and being like, oh, I just found this thing.
>> Farz: Yeah, it was, it was like serial killer trainee academy.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah. Like, they're just, like, taking bodies apart, like, all the things. And, so he lectured on, anatomy and botany. He, was the first person to write down, this is. This one's dumb, that it takes muscles to lift your eyelids. I'm like, well, what the fuck? Also be doing it.
>> Farz: But, I mean, it was old days.
>> Taylor: But I'm not a doctor, so whatever. he also didn't believe in fossils. He just didn't think that they were really fossils, which was fun. and he wrote a paper about how he didn't believe in them. and then he was the first person to describe the appendix as little worm shaped. He called it a vermiform appendix, which means worm shaped, and that's what that means. But the other thing that he discovered and wrote down and people know about. So his name again is Gabriel Fallopipio. Guess what he discovered?
>> Farz: Boop. Pb.
>> Taylor: No. Fallopian tubes, which is ridiculous, but aimed after this man who put his bloody hand in a woman's body and said, look at these. I'm gonna name them for himself.
>> Farz: I guess the first to discover gets.
>> Taylor: That privilege, but, yeah, I guess, yeah, no, it's wild. So, he's the first person to, like, you know, write some things down and then, you know, hit they were, because I guess they were in the naming of body parts time. So you could be like, oh, I'm gonna, like, you know, close my eyes and, like, stick my head in his body, pull something out and be like, it's a fars.
>> Farz: You know, it would be fun to.
>> Taylor: Be a smoking safe tubes. Yeah.
>> Farz: Like, you can just do whatever you want, right? Like, it's like we've all known the body exists, but you just happen to be the one that just pulled it out and said, now it's this thing I know.
>> Taylor: 500 years later, we're here talking about him. So, yeah, so they knew it existed, but they didn't know what it did. the first person to do an appendectomy is, a man, a doctor named Claudius Amiand a m y a n d in 17. 35. So a couple hundred years later, people, knew that obviously, like, youre, appendix could kill you. But they didn't know, like, what it did or they didn't know what to do. I didn't have a cure for it, you know what?
>> Farz: 17. What?
>> Taylor: 35.
>> Farz: Okay. So this time they hadn't discovered that you should like, wash your hands.
>> Taylor: Oh, no.
>> Farz: Before putting in the body.
>> Taylor: And there's no general anesthesia, so you're just like screaming.
>> Farz: I don't get like, surgery back then. Like, how is keeping whatever the ailment is not better than having the surgery? It sounds like the surgery rapidly accelerates whatever problem you already have.
>> Taylor: Did you watch, the HBO show on John Adams? No, it's great. It's with, Paul Giamatti. Right, Giamatti. But it's so good. And, but in it, John Adams's daughter gets breast cancer. And they, like, she, like, knows that something's wrong. They don't, like, know exactly what it is. She can, like, feel it. Like, obviously she feels a lump and, doesn't go away, so they have to do a m mastectomy in her and oh, my God, fars, they just like, cut off her boob and they have a, like a hot iron to like, solder it or whatever, hotterize it. They just like, put it on her boob. On her, like, boob hole where it used to be. And she's screaming, it's so awful.
>> Farz: Yeah, but then also, okay, so that's, that's awful. But also, she probably died of infection anyways.
>> Taylor: Like, she didn't. But then she, then she said that she felt it in her other breast, and she was like, I would like to die. She was like, imagine that again. Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: Infection would kill someone faster than breast cancer would.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're lucky to be able to have surgery in hospital.
>> Farz: Yeah, no kidding.
Claudius Amond performed the first appendectomy in 1735
>> Taylor: so it's, Claudius amond was, ah, French. He was born in 1680. but he moved to England. he died in 1740. But while he was in England, he was the sergeant surgeon to the king, to King George II. So he was like, the king's, like the king's doctor, you know, probably just like, hung out with him all of the time. and so he was like the court doctor, you know, like, yeah, like.
>> Farz: The, it was him in the employee lounge with the court jester. You just hang out.
>> Taylor: Huh? Exactly. Exactly. and so in 1722, he inoculated three of the royal children for smallpox, which is fun because they were doing those. Like they're doing the, they also did that in the John Adams movie where they would have people come around who had smallpox and then they would cut you and you'd like put the wound, not the goop, into yourself and that would just. Look, a vaccine gives you a little bit of it so like your body can fight it.
>> Farz: I did not know that's how they did it.
>> Farz: It is gross.
>> Taylor: So gross. And John. Yeah, but John Adams, I don't know why I was lining up with that, but they like bring a wheelbarrow with a dying person and you have to like get their small box with just a little bit.
>> Farz: So. Okay, so this is, we're talking still like the late 17 hundreds.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: Okay. Mid 17 hundreds. This is 1720. That's 1722. and then he does the first, appendectomy in 1735. So he did it on, a young boy who was eleven named Hanville Anderson. And, during surgery he, he was able to successfully remove it and the boy survived and he was fine. So it's really like you said, a miracle he did not get an infection.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. Good for that kid.
>> Taylor: Yeah. so he also did, you know, other, hernia surgeries and things. at that time, he was 150 years later. Other people would say that they were doing the first appendectomies. But then someone found his papers and saw that he had done it. his biographer said Claudius Amond was not a man of genius, but one of solid worth who merits a. Not of recognition from medical history too long denied him. So once they figured out that he was the one who did it, they were like, he should get the thing for that different.
>> Farz: Why did they call it an appendix?
>> Taylor: Oh, good question. An appendix just means like an extra thing. So, the Gabriel Flopio called it the veriform appendix, which means like a worm shaped extra thing.
>> Farz: Interesting.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Do you have an appendix?
>> Taylor: Do I?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, no one took it out. I assume it's there. I haven't seen it.
>> Farz: Yeah, because, you know, people who like get like, breast removal, whatever it's called. because like, to prevent things, I assume people do appendix. Appendix removals.
>> Taylor: That's a good question. Elective epidemy. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Oh, it's performed actually. Sometimes it'll happen if you're. I'm just. This is what Google is telling me. So, you know, it looks like you can have it after you've had, like, a little bit of an infection, they can take it out for you so you won't have it again. So there's like, the emergency app. Epidectomy is one that it mostly is.
>> Taylor: but you can. If you like, it's something that continues to get inflamed. You can get it taken out.
>> Farz: All right, fun.
>> Farz: yeah, I never. You know what? I have not had this thought since that moment in college, and now I have another fear I can live with. So.
>> Taylor: Totally. No, no, absolutely. There's tons of stuff in your body that can kill you. absolutely.
Charles McBurney improved the way that you could diagnose appendix pain
So the last person that we will talk about is Charles, McBurney. He was born in 1845. he lived in New York City, or lived in New York, but I assume New York City, so he was the one who could, he improved the way that you could diagnose it. So if you. If you do ever go to the doctor and you're like, I have this pain in my right side, he's going to say, okay, I'm going to take. Go from your belly button to your pelvic bone and, like, measure, the, like, one third. It's one third of the way between the navel and the front part of your hip bones that's going to measure there. And, like, another one third to the other side of the right. And anyway, that point, that little. That part of your belly that is where your appendix is, is called the McBurney's m point. So it's named after this guy. So he's the person who was, like, right there on your belly is where your appendix is going to be. And if it hurts exactly right there, then it's appendix. It's the appendix, dude.
>> Farz: I feel like it would have been so much easier to become, like, famous in the old days.
>> Taylor: I feel like everything's already been named.
>> Farz: it's already been done. Like, he's just telling you roughly wherever it's like, meeting. Like, hey, you know what? This thing right here, I'm pointing my head. That's where your brain is. If it. If this hurts, it could be your brain, and it's like, what a genius, this guy. Like, name. Name a school after this guy.
>> Taylor: the incision that you. That you get to get your panics removed is called the McBurney incision.
>> Farz: Makes sense.
>> Taylor: Nice. That made me laugh as well. Cause it's like, just cutting you in your belly and, like, reaching and finding your medics. but, it should be able to. It's a pretty easy thing to, get it out these days. and then a couple other things that happen now. we didn't use antiseptics and anesthesia until the late 18 hundreds, so people were more. It was more common to get your appendix removed because otherwise you were just, like. Like you said, live in the pain or die, because you're like, I'm not going to risk you putting your dirty hands inside my stomach.
>> Farz: Anesthesia first. Like, do that.
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Then come up with the rest of. Imagine that. Taylor, can you imagine someone cutting your guts open? Because I'm sure they have to cut your muscle open on your abdomen to get to it.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Mm
>> Farz: So bad.
>> Taylor: Horrible. Horrible. Like, I feel like when I was having my babies and, like, I didn't realize, like, what a big surgery a c section is, you know, I was like, oh, you just, like, cut it in the baby. You're like, oh, no, no. The baby's not, like, behind one layer of skin. The baby's behind, like, a whole bunch of stuff.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like, cut through and, like, figure out how to, like, repair and, like, it's crazy. I think now, it's something that, can do. Can be done with, like, a. It's a laparoscopic technique. So, like, it's something that can be done, like, kind of like a little. Like a robot, you know? just like, a little tiny hole to get in there.
>> Farz: Yeah, but that wasn't the case when they had no anesthesia and they were cutting you open in half.
>> Taylor: You do that now, they can just, like, put, like, a little hole in. You put a camera in, like, pull it out. You know, I'm sure that this. This kid ingested, Was his name Hanville? I'm sure that poor Hanville Anderson in 1735 had a insane scar on his belly for the rest of his life.
>> Farz: Rough time.
>> Taylor: But he looked. Yeah. So I don't know. They haven't really 100% figured out what it does, but it does something and potentially helps people who are in places with, like, poor sanitation. and that may be, like, where it's mostly needed is if you are sick or recovering from being sick, it'll help with your bacteria.
>> Farz: Diarrhea is the fourth thing.
>> Farz: So is the first, like, malaria or something?
>> Taylor: I don't know. Let's see. Leading, I think. Oh, here you go. there's heart disease. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where I got that fact I'm looking at. Oh. In the United States, heart disease is number one. Preventable. Injury is number three. Good job.
>> Farz: Makes sense.
Do you podcast in the shower? Do I? Yeah. How do you do that
speaking of painful things that I'm shocked that we don't have an answer to, what's with kidney stones? How have we not figured out how to get those out of us or dissolve them?
>> Taylor: Oh, totally.
>> Farz: I have no idea because it sounds really painful.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I had an ovarian cyst first because I had, like, the worst pain I've ever felt in my, like, ovary area.
>> Farz: Yeah, I've heard those were really bad, too.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And I was like, I think, like, it just happened, like, once. It was, like, worse, then I felt better, but it like it. I like that. I didn't go to the hospital, but I was like, I'm about to go to the hospital. This hurt so bad. Geez. Yeah.
>> Farz: and you've had kids, and I've.
>> Taylor: Had kids, and that also is terrible. But. But you survive.
>> Farz: You survive.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Farz: Sweet.
>> Taylor: Cool. That's it. Short. A short one. But now we know a little bit more about the appendix, and someday we might know even more, I think. Yeah. It's kind of weird that it's, like, hangs out in there.
>> Farz: It's funny. As we're going through, like, discovering the format of the show, people, like, maybe one, like, 15 minutes shows. Who knows?
>> Taylor: Yeah, who knows?
>> Farz: I mean, m the podcasts I listen to the most these days are all in, like, the 1520 minutes range. It's like, the daily and that box version of the daily.
>> Taylor: So, wait. I have an important question for you. I was listening to one of our episodes. Do you podcast in the shower?
>> Farz: Do I?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: How do you do that?
>> Farz: So, I have these jabra, had, earbuds that are bluetooth, and they're made for working out, so you can sweat them, and so they're waterproof anyways. And, I tweak those in and. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Up in the shower, huh?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Interesting.
>> Farz: Yeah. I can't go with silence for very long. I don't know why. It's probably not healthy or good for me, but I can't do it. But also, like, it's, like, the one place where, like, Luna's not barking or annoying me or checking slack or, you know, whatever. So I know.
>> Taylor: Well, whatever. Yeah. Like, whenever I go to the bathroom, go to the bathroom, my daughter, they're always like, how come it takes you, like, so long to the bathroom, but when I'm in here with you, it doesn't take you that long. And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm just sitting here on my phone not talking to you. Like, that's why I can do that for 20 minutes. Like, when you're here, I'm not busy ignoring you, so I just finish.
>> Farz: It's so true. It's so true. It's like the one place at our age where it's, like, just pure peace and quiet.
>> Taylor: Leave me alone. Sometimes I'll go in there, and Florence will be hiding in the shower. I'll be like, Florence, get out of the shower. Just want to pee by myself.
Taylor: I think Republicans need to do over. I, um, mean, I think it'd be
>> Farz: in other news, Taylor, what did you think about, Darth Vader endorsing Kamala Harris?
>> Taylor: Oh, yeah, we did see that. I, see the other thing where it was like, dick Cheney makes one last bid to get to heaven.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I, mean, I think it'd be nice to have, like, an. I don't know, like we were saying last week, like, if. Nice to have a contested primary, it'd be nice to have a, like, more than one ballot at the convention. And it'd be nice to, like, Donald Trump doesn't know anything about, like, conservative politics. You know, it's just like, this person. It's not like, you know, I think. I think Republicans need to do over.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Taylor: So, I mean, so. So none of the living vice presidents are voting for him, of the republican ones. And, like, so many people on his cabinet are not voting for him. It's just wild.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Farz: I thought that was really interesting because Dick Cheney is like, he literally hasn't said anything about politics. And the 20 some odd years he's been out of politics, and he just comes out of the blue, it says, I was like, wow, that's shocking. especially given his horrible, horrible reputation. yeah.
Taylor: Um, do you have anything to read off for us
But anyways, do you have anything to read off for us, or.
>> Taylor: I do, I do. I do, have a couple of things. Oh. So my friend Morgan, was, ah, also part of the learned league for a while, doing trivia, and she was telling me that, the person that invited her is, like, a person who's been on jeopardy and been on Carmen Sandiego and been on world of fortune, so people are really smart. So I'm not the worst in my league, but it's really fucking hard.
>> Farz: How can you be on Carmen Sandiego?
>> Taylor: It used to be like a game show in the eighties.
>> Farz: No shit.
>> Taylor: Like, for kids.
>> Farz: Oh, I didn't know that.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it was like a trivia show. So, like, this guy's been doing trivia, like, his whole life.
>> Farz: You know, I had a crush on her. The cartoon one? Yeah. sweet.
>> Taylor: And I want one more thing, too. Listener, friend Ben, said that he doesn't want you to give Trump any credit for releasing any of the oil in our, oil reserves and the us oil reserves. So we shared two articles, one from the White House, where, in November 2021, Biden released, how many? Like, several 50 million barrels from the strategic petroleum reserve to lower gas prices and help with the lack of supply. and then again in, June 2023, the Biden administration made 66 million in its first oil trade. So they sold 3 million barrels of oil from the strategic petroleum reserve for $95 and then repurchase that at 73.
>> Farz: So that's shorting.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Oh, yeah. There you go. wait, so. So Trump didn't release. I just remember that wrong.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Oh, okay. Well, Ben, thanks for correcting me.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah, and that's it. And if you want to correct us, please send us an email, doomdofilpodmail.com.
>> Farz: There we go. Awesome, Taylor. Okay, cool. We'll go ahead and shut this off and join you all again in a few days.
>> Taylor: Thanks. Follow us on socials.
>> Farz: Follow socials. I do the pill.
>> Taylor: Bye.