If you haven't heard this story, don't google it! You'll never guess where it's going and the ride, the ride is wild! Edwin Rist loved tying fishing flies, a fun craft where you have the potential to stab yourself in the finger at every turn! He just had hit the peak of his work and needed something new, something snazzy, potentially extinct. Enter the Natural History Museum at Tring - and we'll take it from there!
If you haven't heard this story, don't google it! You'll never guess where it's going and the ride, the ride is wild!
Edwin Rist loved tying fishing flies, a fun craft where you have the potential to stab yourself in the finger at every turn! He just had hit the peak of his work and needed something new, something snazzy, potentially extinct. Enter the Natural History Museum at Tring - and we'll take it from there!
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Taylor: I'm getting into the Halloween season, which is nice
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number ba zero nine six.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Hey, Taylor, how are you?
>> Taylor: Good. How are you?
>> Farz: Good. Do you like my radio voice? How I started out when we were talking without me recording, and I was just all, like, gloomy or dull, and now I'm just super radio.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I can totally tell. Doing a great job.
>> Farz: Thank you. Thank you. how's your weekend been?
>> Taylor: good. We did, well, I bought a giant. I have this idea in my front yard to put bird cages around and fill them with rocks. And then I found one on Facebook marketplace. That's huge. It's over 6ft tall. And, my husband very graciously drove a half hour to go get it. like a flat spot in the front yard for it to be. And we're gonna start filling it with rocks. And it's cool. So I'm excited.
>> Farz: Is it meant to be decorative?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay, wait. when you're done, send a picture. I'd love to see what it looks like.
>> Taylor: I will.
>> Farz: I, I'm getting into the Halloween season.
>> Taylor: Ooh.
>> Farz: So, yeah, I went and bought some pumpkin candles today.
>> Taylor: Oh. So it's been shaped or flavored?
>> Farz: Flavored, scented. I, didn't eat them.
>> Taylor: You know what I mean?
>> Farz: But I'm just, you know, finally getting in the spirit, of the season, which is nice. So.
>> Taylor: I love it. I love it.
>> Farz: Yeah. And by the way, target is chock full with Halloween decorations already, which is great. so, yeah, because it's.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I'm ready. I think we'll start soon.
>> Farz: I am going to Halloween horror nights in Orlando.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, cool.
>> Farz: You should come when we did that. Did it. Wait, wait, we didn't do an Orlando. I did in Orlando. When I was living in Orlando, you. We went to Anaheim. That's what it was.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Yep, yep.
>> Taylor: No, I don't think it's in Anaheim. I think it's in Hollywood. Whatever. Who cares?
>> Farz: Yeah, you're right. It's Hollywood. Yep, yep. I'm mixing up California adventures with the other one.
>> Taylor: Cool, though. That sounds fun.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Farz: Sweet. Okay. You want to dive in?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Determined to fail brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures
Well, let me introduce us.
>> Farz: Oh, yeah.
>> Taylor: Hello. Welcome to doomed to fail. We are the podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures twice a week. And I am Taylor, joined by farce, who's going to Halloween horror nights interest.
>> Farz: Thank you. I get why you fired me from in the intro, because even now I forget to let you do it.
>> Taylor: No problem.
>> Farz: am I going first today?
>> Taylor: I think so, yeah.
>> Farz: Okay. This one's going to be a little short one, too. But I don't know. I don't know if folks feel about the short ones, but let us know if they suck. But this one, I mean, this is. It's a great story. It's just there wasn't that much to it. So, But, yeah, we'll go ahead and dive in it. And this one is going to be a pretty bizarre case involving fly fishing, museums and theft. Yeah. So I learned a lot about fly fishing.
>> Taylor: That'll come in handy.
>> Farz: I'm trying to humble brag here. So let's get into the museum part of the story.
The natural history museum at Tring was started by Walter Rothschild in 1892
So we're going to be talking about the natural history museum at Tring, which is in the UK. It is now part of the Natural History Museum of London, but it originally was started by a guy named Walter Rothschild, part of the Rothschild family, which really, I could do a whole episode. There's so much stuff there. I went, like, tiny bit into it. It was just kind of blown away. They were crazy rich, like, finance people, banker people, apparently, they were worth $350 billion at the time, which is, like, insane. Yeah. So anyways, this guy Walter was born into this insanely wealthy family, and, he basically, as he became an adult, had to enter the banking industry despite having no interest at all. But it was a family business, so he had to do it. What he really cared about was zoology and just love collecting bugs and animals. That's really what he cared about. So what year.
>> Taylor: What year was this?
>> Farz: So, the next line was in 1892.
>> Taylor: That's exactly when, like, it just reminds me of. It's very Teddy Roosevelt of him.
>> Farz: Yes. Yes. He reminded me very much of Teddy Roosevelt as I was reading this.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So, in 1892, he was 24 years old, and he opened a private museum to house his ever increasing collection of zoological effects. It would. Go ahead.
>> Taylor: Sorry, I'm going to move my hands, see if I can make Zoom do a thing. I love that. Yeah, that's what you should do with your money.
>> Farz: See, like, I think the Hearst guy did that, except he did it after he was a billionaire, right? Like, turned his house into a zoo, but it was, like, way after the fact. But, he would. His collection would grow to house tens of thousands of specimen, including a very influential collection of birds by a man named Alfred Russell Wallace.
Alfred Wallace was the first person to publish natural selection theory
I learned so much for this. This is like, the funnest way. I researched. I learned so much.
>> Taylor: I'm really excited. I feel like you learned a ton.
>> Farz: So I'm going to segue real quick into, like, why this collection was so important and who this guy was. So Alfred Wallace was a biologist who traveled the world collecting animals to study, in I bro, it's definitely 1859. It's not 1959. So in 1859, he was the very first person to publish his theory on natural selection, evolution.
>> Taylor: What was his name again?
>> Farz: Alfred Wallace.
>> Taylor: I feel like I've heard about him, and I think I talked about him, talked about Darwin. Darwin, like, took it from him.
>> Farz: So that's not true. That's not true. We can't be smart Darwin on this, but there's a story behind it, and I was, like, blown away as I was reading this. So, Darwin, like you said, he gets credit for discovering natural selection, but he published his book, on the origin of species a year after 1858. and that's mostly why people think that he gets the credit for it, but it's actually not. These two were independently researching things. They weren't aware of each other's studies. Darwin had started writing about this since the 1830s, so two decades earlier. But he was just terrified of, publishing his research because he thought that, like, the religious class were just, like, beating to death. And so he didn't have the courage, really, to publish his findings until Alfred Wallace published his findings. And he was like, okay, I should talk about this, too, because now it's already out there. So that's what happened. So the animals that helped Wallace reach his conclusion were mostly insects and birds. Birds in particular, seem to be kind of the north star for animals to figure out natural selection aspects. For example, Darwin's famous for his galapagos finches, and they're a huge part of how he developed his theory on evolution. So because Wallace's collection was of extreme scientific value, it was given that his collection would be handed over to a natural history museum after his passing for further study and for the public to be able to see it. So part of the collection that he handed off, I don't. I had to look these birds up because I don't know what they were. So, the type of birds included, the superb bird of paradise. The like.
>> Taylor: Better than another bird of paradise, apparently.
>> Farz: So. Okay. The flower, the bird of paradise flower looks like this thing. That's why we call it a bird of paradise flower. You're looking at. You're looking at the bird of right.
>> Taylor: Now, I don't think that looks like.
>> Farz: It'S, like it's. The coloring is off, but, like, the pointiness of it, the way, like, dives and all that, like, it's supposed to, mimic the bird of paradise, I guess.
>> Taylor: All right.
>> Farz: He also had what's called a resplendent quatzal. Quetzal and the magnificent rifle birdhouse. I can't remember which one was which one of these was, like, crazy beautiful. One was, like, this turquoise, sharp, like, green with, like, a bright red breast. Like, it was gorgeous. It looked like it had this cutest little fro. It had, like, this, like, one fro kind of on it. It was really cool looking.
>> Taylor: What's a quetzal? what does quetzal mean?
>> Farz: I don't know.
>> Taylor: Because a quetzalcoatlus is a dinosaur.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. There was a flying dinosaur called the quetzal at some point, too, right?
>> Taylor: Oh, were you gonna tell me that?
>> Farz: No. No. But when you brought it up, I was like, oh, yeah, that's where I've seen that name before.
>> Taylor: I'm a mom, so I know a lot about dinosaurs.
>> Farz: That's great. And you're a Jurassic park fan, hopefully.
>> Taylor: Yeah, duh.
>> Farz: Yeah, of course. So from here. So that's the collection that was kind of in this museum, and, like, that's how it all kind of accumulated. I'm sure there's, like, a lot more to it than that, but, like, they're very. It's a very important collection that this museum was holding on to.
From here, I'm going to pivot to fly tying. I honestly don't know where this is going. It's going to be fun.
From here, I'm going to pivot to fly tying.
>> Taylor: I honestly don't know where this is going.
>> Farz: I know.
>> Taylor: So I'm very excited. Usually when you're talking, I'm also making, like, the episode, like, page, like, the image, but I don't even know what to put on it, so I'm not going to glue it. I'm m not going to just. You keep going.
>> Farz: It's going to be fun. I got to give a shout out to Rachel. She's the one who suggested this. I would never have found this on my own.
>> Taylor: Amazing.
Fly tying is the practice of creating lures for fly fishing
>> Farz: So, okay, we're going to pivot to the totally unrelated topic of fly tying. So fly tying is the practice of creating lures for fly fishing. The basic design of a fly tie lure is a hook, the threat connecting the lure to the fishing pole beads to kind of mimic the head of an insect and feathers. So it's kind of piecing together a little bit here. So the idea is you cast the fly over water to imitate the behavior of flying insect to bait a fish and taking the lure, that's basically it. from what I've gathered, fly fishing is considered, like, significantly harder than regular fishing. And it's like, it requires a ton of preparation, a ton of custom equipment, and a lot of skill. It seems very multifaceted and complex.
>> Taylor: Is it because you have to stand in the water? Do you have a stand in the water?
>> Farz: That's the one where you stand on the water? Yeah. And actually, it's one of my favorite, like, clothing places. It's a place called orvis. I don't know if anybody else has them, but they're here in Texas. They're not big, but they're, like, semi known. And, I just like them because their clothes, like, just lasts a lifetime. Like, whatever you buy there, you will. If you don't outgrow it size wise, you'll own it for the rest of your life. And they are huge with fly fishermen, like, one whole section of the story, I just, like, walk around looking at their lures. It's really fun. I mean, I would. I couldn't get into it because, like, it seems like a really expensive hobby, but it does seem.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So, like anything that is complex and multifaceted, it kind of has some culture, and it has its own subculture, which includes people who just create or collect the, flies themselves. And, like, people who, like, don't fly fish. That is, like, they literally just create these things or, or buy them.
>> Taylor: It seems like a fun craft.
>> Farz: It's a craft. It's literally a craft. Yeah, that's what, it's a craft for, like, older men. That's basically it. It's like, doily making for men. basically so. And like, frankly, like, I mean, I don't know. Like, if you look, look at some of them, some are like, a really, really pretty, and some of them are really, really nice. They're meant to be very specific to the type of fish you want to catch, the season in which you want to catch the fish. Like, there's a whole weird science behind it. Yeah, it sounded a lot like collecting, like, collectible baseball or pokemon. Pokemon cards, you know, like, it's just, you gotta be real nerd about this stuff to really know what it is. And, yeah, people who are into it, they just want the rarest and most valuable flies, even if they don't end up using them.
Edwin wrist stole hundreds of rare birds from an ornithological museum
So with that context, let's get to the main character or story who's going to kind of piece all this stuff together for us a guy named Edwin wrist. So, Edwin was born in 1989 in New York, and he was autistic. He was homeschooled, and he was very fixated on two things, early on in his childhood. One was playing the flute. He was an exceptional flute player. The other was fly tying. He never went fly fishing. He just was really into fly tying.
>> Taylor: Specifically since.
>> Farz: Yeah, specifically, he was into victorian fly tying, which is a unique distinction, because this is, like, the most expensive end of the hobby. Like, this is not what. You don't walk into Orvis and find victorian fly ties there. Like, these are mass producing. This is like the Rolls Royce of, like, fly tying, essentially. he got really good at this. So his parents actually helped him get deeper into this because they would take him to conferences, he would go to conventions, he would compete in fly tying competitions and win them. He was really, really good at this, essentially. Ultimately, as he turned into a young adult, he was accepted to the London's Royal Academy of Music to study music, study flute, and keep going in that direction with his interests. So he goes off to London, and he discovered the museum we started with in tring, and he learned of the extensive collection of rare birds and decided to write them a letter under a pseudonym saying that he is a ornithological. Ornithological researcher. Yes. Thank you, Taylor.
>> Taylor: Yep. A bird. A bird.
>> Farz: Bird guy.
>> Taylor: Yes, a bird guy.
>> Farz: And he, wanted special access to specimen that were within the museum. And some way, somehow, this access was granted. So Edwin goes down to the museum, and he gets access to parts of the museum that other people don't get to see. He gets to see where some of the rare stuff is kept because not. I mean, join tends to sell out on display, right. There's a whole back. Back of backup house. And he also gets a sense of where those are kept as well as what the security looks like. So he's basically just casing this place like it's a bank in like a heist movie, essentially. A few months passes, and under the COVID of darkness, and having memorized his diagram of the interior of this thing, he went back to the museum and used a glass cutter to cut open the glass and enter the museum when it was dark, when it was nighttime, nobody was there, he would go about stealing about 300 rare bird species, some extinct, some extremely endangered.
>> Taylor: Not fun.
>> Farz: It took about. Go ahead.
>> Taylor: I have a bunch of stupid questions. Did he need the entire bird?
>> Farz: No. So he wanted the bird skin to pluck the bird feather off of. So most stories that you read about him are that he stole a ton of bird skins because it contained the feather. But the Alfred Wallace collection was complete birds that were stuff. And so, yes, he would have to take the whole bird. In that case. Yeah. Fun stuff.
>> Taylor: Never, I guess. No, that. No, no. At a gross point. I'm not gonna bring it up.
>> Farz: Very mature ratio. so it took about a month before anybody realized that these things were missing, because, like I said, they weren't displayed birds. They were just on the back. They were there for research purposes. And. And again, a lot of these words were extinct or super endangered or semi endangered. These were. I let a read a lot of disparate takes on this because some people were like, who cares? These things have not existed in the world for 150 years. Whatever. Like, we can move on from this. But then a lot of researchers would show up and say, no. Like, this proves all the evolutionary stuff that Alfred Wallace put forward because this thing went extinct. And now the bird in this region has adapted. So now we're able to read the clues of the environment on how the adaptations are moving. Like, it's actually.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it's important. Yeah.
>> Farz: Like, there was something. I can't remember the exact story. It was something about how we learned that DEet was poisonous because of a comparison of the tring bird collection to local birds within that environment. I forgot exactly what the story of the background was, but, like, it actually is consequential.
>> Taylor: Totally.
>> Farz: So police rightly realized that the only person who would get value out of these birds would be some insane bird collector who's also a cat burglar. Or the more logical answer, a fly tire.
>> Taylor: Why would they go to that right away? I don't.
>> Farz: Why would you steal birdskin?
>> Taylor: I don't know, but it's weird. I just. I don't love the term bird skin. And I guess cannibal lecter.
>> Farz: It's like buffalo Bill.
>> Taylor: Ugh. I, mean, I don't know. It just feels like, I guess they'd be the next person who needed them.
Taylor: I'm dying to know how much stolen birds are worth
>> Farz: Well, so what's interesting is, in this point of the story, I hadn't figured out what was actually what the end, and this conclusion, end of the story was. But at this point of the story, I was just, like, dying to know how much these damn things worth. And so I started googling.
>> Taylor: I, like. I just have a question. I have. Yeah, wait, hold on.
>> Farz: Yeah, go ahead.
>> Taylor: I'm sorry. I just like talking over you. remember in, like, a long time ago, like, a lot of birds in Florida went extinct because they were using them for hats. Like, there's feathers and hats, I'm sure, but I didn't know that. But I'm sure this isn't a. I guess that that would be the only other person I could think needed feathers.
>> Farz: Yeah. If you want to hang your feather, call it macaroni. but what. What I was trying to figure out was how much of these damn things even worth, like, you know, and so I started googling around, and, like, the first hit I got when I googled some variation of term of fly tie rare fishing, you know, price was fly fishing co dot uk, which is a forum. And folks there were talking about these things going for around 1500 or so, per. I mean, that's for, like, the very rare ones, but most of them were in, like, the hundreds of dollars. Like, it's not inconsequential. I mean, you're using one or two feathers per bird. You're probably getting, like, tens of thousands of feathers per bird. I mean, it's. It could add up some real money.
>> Taylor: Yes, that's fair.
>> Farz: So that what I ended up doing there, how this story ends, because the police literally did the exact same thing I did, because they went to the fly fishing forums and were trying to find people who were trying to sell flies on the forums from the type of birds that were stolen. Because, again, nobody had these birds. Like, there was only one guy in the world who had these birds, was this guy. That was it. 15 months after the heist, police tracked Edwin's activities on the forum and arrested him at his apartment in London. I love how the story discusses this, where they're basically like, yeah, he immediately confessed on the spot because surrounding him in the apartment was incredibly rare. Birds and bird feathers.
>> Taylor: These are mine. I've always had this bar mitzvah gifts. My mom gave them to me.
>> Farz: So ridiculous. So he got,
>> Farz: He got a unique case of privileged justice because, he was found guilty, obviously, of burglary. but his lawyer also argued that he had severe Asperger's syndrome, which seems true. I mean, I can't. It doesn't sound like he doesn't have Asperger's. And so because of that, he was spared prison time. It was just time served. And he got to. Got to go home. He said that he used the money he made from selling his feathers and lures to purchase a new flute. That's his argument, why he did it. That's the motivation for why he did it.
>> Taylor: so how many went back or that he did. He destroyed.
>> Farz: All hundreds were missing. Hundreds were missing. So, like, again, he had a lot of feathers to play with. Out of 300 birds, I think it was, like, 117. Somewhere around there actually went back, and the rest are. We don't know. We don't know where they are either made of lures or nothing.
>> Taylor: I kind of think there's a chance that someone at the museum was like, good. I don't need all these drawers of, like, 10 zero year old bird skins. I would have to next week. I was supposed to categorize them. Now I don't fucking have to.
>> Farz: You should never work in a museum, Taylor.
>> Taylor: I have worked in a museum, but I feel like I would be like, oh, I don't have a catalog that. All you do when you're in a museum is catalog things. It's true.
>> Farz: So the good thing, the reason why he took these birds specifically was because they were. Were categorized, because they were all labeled, and he knew that these were the rarest lures that you could possibly make for this victorian era version of, like, fly tying. You know?
>> Taylor: Who bought them?
>> Farz: We don't know about them. No, no, they didn't went that far. It seems like this is, like, a hobby of super wealthy older white men, and I don't feel like they generally get prosecuted at a regular rate like everybody else does. And so I think that. I think this was, like, a Prince Andrew situation. Like, let's not ask any more questions, because we don't want anything else. But he would eventually graduate from university. He would move to Germany, where he assumed the name Edwin Reinhard and continued on his musical career. He has a YouTube channel, which is called at heavy metal flute, where he recreates songs and soundtracks on his flute and is actually pretty fun.
>> Taylor: He does sounds awesome.
>> Farz: He does master of puppets on the flute. He does Lord of the Rings on the flute. He does, like, the, Oh, God, what's the other one? Game of Thrones on the flute. He does a lot of fun flute stuff. He hasn't posted in, like, six years, though, so, like, who knows what's going on with him? I tried finding him, and I just. His name's not so unique that you wouldn't find a thousand of these guys. So I didn't get too far with it. But that's him. That's the feather thief. Edwin risk. Now, Edwin Reinhard.
Taylor: Reinhard pulled together a lot of disparate topics into one outline
And, he really pulled together a lot of disparate topics that I did not think would ever come into a single outline.
>> Taylor: Yeah, no, I didn't know where that was going to go. I think it's funny that he changed his name, but everybody knows what his name is. Okay.
>> Farz: But also, he's just trying so hard to be german at this point. Reinhard, it's like, come on. It's like rein land.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Wow, that's wild.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's fun, isn't it?
>> Taylor: Yeah, super fun.
>> Farz: Because nobody got hurt, really. I mean, yes, invaluable research was destroyed, but nobody was physically hurt.
>> Taylor: Yeah, no one was hurt.
>> Farz: Just feathers. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Probably stole one of your pigeons that went extinct forever ago.
>> Taylor: Well, Miles and I have been talking about passenger pigeons. He's very worried about them. we have a book to show you. Wait, pause. I had to go under my house's bed to find this. But this is a cute book that we read a lot called dodos are not extinct. And it's about dodos who pretend to be other animals. It's like wearing a toucan beak.
>> Farz: So cute.
>> Taylor: And then, like, it says that, like, the tasmanian tigers. Like, they wore these. There's, like, these guys that were, like, half horses, horse, half zebra, and they're like, oh, they just wear striped pants. Like, you just can't tell they're there. But at the end of it, it does have a pretty comprehensive list of. Well, I don't know. It has a list of examples of animals that have gone extinct, and I've been thinking of researching some of these as well. and the passenger pages on there, which is why I brought this up.
>> Farz: Very cute. Walter Rothschild was obsessed with zebras, and he would cross breed them with all kinds of different things.
>> Taylor: I did just see a picture of him with a carousel, being with a carriage.
>> Farz: Yeah. So he actually rode one of those into, like, the queen's court or something, like, to prove that you could domesticate a zebra.
>> Taylor: Love it.
>> Farz: I'm, like, boring. Like, how badly did you beat those zebras to, like, pull a carriage?
>> Taylor: Yeah, I don't know how you. I, don't think domesticating a wild animal is easy.
>> Farz: Also, Taylor, there's a movie, that William Defoe is in about a, hunter who is seeking out a tasmanian. Would you. God, I forgot the name.
>> Taylor: Tiger.
>> Farz: Tiger. Yeah.
>> Taylor: That's cool.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's really fun. It's a really fun movie. It's kind of scary, but in a fun way.
>> Taylor: They went extinct in 1936.
>> Farz: Yeah, some people think they're not extinct. That's what the whole premise of the movie is.
>> Taylor: Yeah, the last test meeting Tiger was named Benjamin.
>> Farz: Or baby. Okay. Sweet. That's my story. Do you have any tales from listeners?
>> Taylor: Morgan, told me that she thought that she had appendicitis, and the thing that they had her do was jump. And she said that she couldn't jump, and they were like, oh, no.
If you have anything you'd like us to cover, let us know
And, like, that was like, a sign.
>> Farz: I'm just glad to know that it's actually really painful because at least you would know. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I think that's the thing. yeah, but if you have anything you'd like us to cover, any cool ideas, like, this was such a cool, like, random one that I'd never heard of. let us know. We're at doomtofellpodmail.com and then doom to fail pod at all of the socials.
>> Farz: There's so many of those. There's so many weird stories. It's such a shame that, like, so much history is just, like, not known. I mean, you can know it, but you gotta, like, not have a job, and you can just, like, go around trying to discover stuff, which, like, I guess ultimately is gonna be our goal with me in a cave and you and underground subprinting tunnels. But still, let us, let us research this, please.
>> Taylor: I was just imagining me and you with walkie talkies for no reason. And, like, I'm inside the Paris catacombs, and you're, like, in a gave, and I'm like, can you hear me? Like, if we didn't talk while we were doing it, there'd be no reason to, but still, it's like the funner.
>> Farz: Version of Indiana Jones.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Love it.
>> Taylor: Cool. Well, thank you. That's fine.
>> Farz: Yeah, that's my story. Anything you want to lead out with?
>> Taylor: Nope. Oh, if you haven't already, please just give us some stars. On Apple podcast. We have, like, two one stars. And, like, who knows why, you know? That's annoying. So.
>> Farz: Yeah, and if you gave us one star, like, what is wrong with you?
>> Taylor: Why are you still listening?
>> Farz: Give a sad life.
>> Taylor: What is your problem?
>> Farz: Yeah, what is your problem?
>> Taylor: One star person.
>> Farz: We'll find you. We'll put you in the catacomb. Okay, that's too far. too far, too hard. Yeah. Subscribe to doom and fell pot at Gmail dot or write to us@dumontfellpodmail.com. subscribe on, dude, a fell pod on YouTube, the socials, all the good things, and we'll join you again in a few days. Sweet. Thanks, Taylor.