Join us on a fascinating journey back in time as we dive deep into the lives of two intriguing figures - William Bradford and Thomas Morton. 🕰️ Explore the contrasting perspectives that shaped early American history. 🇺🇸 From Bradford's leadership in Plymouth Colony to Morton's controversial antics in Merrymount, this episode unveils the untold stories that shaped the foundations of our nation. 📚 Tune in now for a captivating blend of history and intrigue! 🎧 #HistoryPodcast #WilliamBradford #ThomasMorton #AmericanHistory #PodcastJourney #UntoldStories 🌐
Join us on a fascinating journey back in time as we dive deep into the lives of two intriguing figures - William Bradford and Thomas Morton. 🕰️ Explore the contrasting perspectives that shaped early American history. 🇺🇸 From Bradford's leadership in Plymouth Colony to Morton's controversial antics in Merrymount, this episode unveils the untold stories that shaped the foundations of our nation. 📚 Tune in now for a captivating blend of history and intrigue! 🎧
#HistoryPodcast #WilliamBradford #ThomasMorton #AmericanHistory #PodcastJourney #UntoldStories 🌐
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
hi everyone Taylor from doomed to fail
today's re-release is episode 14 part
two we only have like 26 episodes that
we can have re-releases cuz those are
our doubles so we're almost at the end
of this but this re-release is on Thomas
Bradford and William Morton they are two
men in the Plymouth
Puritan beginnings of America people
coming over from Europe times and um
it's a classic tale of Puritans are the
worst and the reason that they moved to
the Americas is because everybody in
England was like you guys are a lot even
for us like this is this is no fun so
cool and um one of them wanted to have a
little more fun than the other and he
got kicked out so I think this is a
short one maybe not my best cuz I don't
remember done about it but I shouldn't
say that I shouldn't tell you that and I
hope you love it and if you wanted to go
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do for you ask what you can do for your
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country we're talking stereotypes that's
true nothing could Poss I go wrong God
what's happened to
me all right I'm gonna go to mine let's
hear it all right I forgot what you're
drinking already oh like a watery ale
instead of water cool okay
so to transition over to history this
story and next week's story are like an
attempt to somehow talk about America
and like how it got so weird like it's
always been weird but like now things
are really bad like good versus evil
bad so for this one my
cousin oh yeah actually okay this is
like the origins of some of our
stereotypes is actually also what I'm
talk about as well so I'm also put the
word stereotype in my notes too so
talking about stereotypes in a different
way um my cousin Lindsay who's the
smartest of my cousins um suggested this
and also her birthday was yesterday so
happy birthday Lindsay you're the best
and I also wrote this very very late
last night and I wrote in all caps
highlighted warning this story contains
843 tangents so there's a lot of
tangents in here this is kind of a
rolling story it's like Story Time with
Taylor what's happening right now so
come back with me in time to the 1600s
someday I might talk about the Salem
Witch Trials it's not today they
happened like 50 years or so after the
story we're going to talk about today
and I'm going to talk about Thomas
Morton and William Bradford one's fun
and one is not fun and they sort of
represented two different Americas and
Lindsay and my cousin called them that
they remind her of a Harry and a draco
which I think totally makes sense like
one's fun one's not fun what's Draco um
from Harry Potter Draco the bad oh Draco
Maloy got it yeah so I also like to
introduce a new segment to the show it
is called I already have children and I
will have no more here are some names I
forgot to consider when I was having
them and I give them to you you're
welcome excited I
I'll tell you offline why I'm not but go
ahead two two names that I forgot to
name my children um from the Salem Witch
Trials are cotton and increase from the
who are the matters who are part of the
Salem Witch Trials I just like love
those names so much and they're just
like so weird they're both bananas like
cotton is like not a name and increase
is like a verb I just it only works
because of the mats part it's so great
Ma is it Ms yeah
matchs Mathers m a t h e RS yeah yeah
Mathers yeah yeah Mathers
mats so many times it stops making sense
so I have two places to start personal
contacts one Salem which is we'll talk a
little bit about that and then the whole
area of like Massachusetts in this time
like this is like the beginning of of
English people coming over to America so
I'll start with Salem even though it's
not what we're talking about talk about
it a little bit because it's something
that like we learn in America very early
like we we learned the story like really
early in school we love it it's like
super fun we watch the movie or a play
of The Crucible we think about how cool
it is you know I I know like I don't
know being a teenage girl in America I
feel like you think about this all the
time when you're like in that time we
also hear that maybe it's like Urgot the
um fungus that can make you crazy and it
wasn't um some people might think it was
God it wasn't but the feeling that I get
that I empathize with with the Salem wit
trials is the feeling of like being a
teen girl and being like won't something
cool happen ever could something cool
happen could something have happened to
these girls like couldn't something cool
happen um but the answer is no like not
this doesn't happen and I remember like
thinking about the Salem witch trials
and like this period of time a couple
years ago there was a new book written
about it and I was really excited about
it and it came out but it was awful it
was like unreadable it was really bad so
if you do want to read anything about it
read the Shirley Jackson kind of short
essay on it but essentially just to like
put some context around Puritans and the
Salem Witch Trials what happened then is
Puritans are boring they suck life is
hard and they make it a hundred times
harder by being boring and mean so the
girls were told again and again that
they had no purpose they were lonely
they were bored they had no future they
saw women who were widowed begging door
too they saw old women alone and dirty
poor and hungry they didn't want that
they just like wanted something to
happen and if you just pray all day
nothing happens because that's not real
so they felt disappointed and betrayed
by life so they made shut up they wanted
to be touched they wanted to be noticed
they wanted to do something that moved
any needle before they were expected to
be married and have 45 have babies and
die in in child birth like that's what
happened but it's still fun to talk
about it and think about how crazy
everyone got like the crazy Mass
hysteria and so many people died you
don't think Urgot had anything to do
with it no um there would have been
other things that happened as well it
was not like a One symptom thing it's
something like other things would have
happened that did not happen so it was
not that okay it was just girls needing
attention but yeah but it's still fine
like I still love thinking about it I
think it's a great a great story a great
piece of our history um and then
thinking about so there's like that is
in the background like people believe in
witches they believe in all this stuff
Massachusetts and they say this in last
podcast when they talk about the Salem
wit trials but like Massachusetts is
creepy in like the woods and the dark
you know have you been there like in
like like a big Northeastern woods so I
haven't been there but I remember I we
discussed it I forgot which case it was
maybe it was the murof case where I
discussed like the opposite of um
Southern Gothic is American Gothic which
is like the nor norn version of that
which is awesome like I think I I love
that aesthetic me too it's really creepy
it's cool like the um did you see the
witch that movie I did yeah so like
picture like that like I always I love
the part like the very beginning when
they're
leaving the um like the settlement and
the gates are closing and you just see
like everyone's covered in mud and it's
raining and there's like a Native
American who walks by and everyone just
looks miserable so like that's like kind
of happening um I remember time in high
school like I went to Massachusetts with
some friends and we saw the Blair Witch
Project and like lost our minds and then
like we went to our friend's house and
these dudes were like telling a ghost
story about the woods and like I thought
I was going to die like I screamed for
hours it was like super fun and like
that's what like the woods are scary so
went like a scary time it's I wanted to
like wear all black and a witch's hat
but my headphones wouldn't work with
that so I didn't do it but it's witchy
we're witchy in a fun way so I also want
to mention that um every Thanksgiving I
like to yell about how the Puritans left
England because they sucked like we were
told in America in school that they left
for Religious Freedom and at least when
I was little I assumed that that meant
or I was told or I believed that it
meant you could be whatever religion you
want and America was a Melting Pot and
it was awesome I don't feel like that's
what they're doing at all and that's not
what's happening today either we know
it's not true it's just Christians who
want to be the only religion so blah
blah blah so that's the place that we're
in it's dark and creepy you know we're
about to hit the witch trials in a few
in like a few decades so people are like
have they're very very Puritan um at at
the moment here's this relationship it
helps really shape the American story of
like two different Americas so we're in
the early 1600s there's Thomas Morton
he's the fun one he was a lawyer and a
Trader who arrived in 1624 from England
um he settled in an area called called
marry Mount and established a trading
post there he was freethinking he
supported Native American rights um
which put him at odds with some of the
Puritans so he was born in 1579 in
Devonshire England he went to Oxford he
sailed to New Finland in 1612 as to
start a fishing colony and he moved to
Plymouth where he became a fur Trader in
like 1613 so he had his own by you know
the 1620s he has his own little village
like he's not like in charge of but he
lives there called Mary Mount And as fun
there as it can be in this time to live
if that makes sense so dire and grim and
awful yes got it yes in 1625 he wrote a
book called new English Canan that
described his experiences in America and
criticized the Puritans for like being
intolerant because they are um they were
they are so the other person in the
story William Bradford he's not fun he
was the leader of the Plymouth Colony he
was a governor of Plymouth for like 30
years which is like the famous one and
he if you someone might say like oh
that's the you know good American values
but like no he was pretty awful and he's
also this a very much a southern like
there's lots of capes and he's not any
fun I mean you're kind of describing a
pretty cool guy though I mean he's not
fun though I know but I would I would
like to wear a cape and I 100% support
capes you can definitely do that so he
so just some facts some numbers about
William Bradford he was born in 1590 in
austerfield England he became part of
the separatist movement which ties back
to um England being with the church of
England didn't want he thought that was
corrupt which we know it is it was
because it was made for King Henry VII
to be able to divorce and kill his wives
but Bradford this this is cool so he he
he escaped to Holland to escape
religious persecution so this is part of
the American story that we hear where
like the Puritans are being persecuted
in England and they they had to leave so
they went via Holland and he ended up
fly a
flying sailing to America on what's the
most famous ship that sail to America
the Mayflower Santa Maria the Mayflower
okay he he said it again he sailed over
on the Mayflower there was three
right no you're thinking the Nina the
penta and the Santa Maria those are
Christopher
Columbus
so ridiculous um fars you were you were
born in England better so so he came on
the BF which is cool he was the governor
of Plymouth which is like the famous
Colony he had a common course system so
like there was like communal farming and
property ownership which sounds a little
socialist but he you know was um kind of
like a a Stern ruler of of Plymouth so
he and William Brad for didn't get along
from the start and in 1627 he goes over
and arrests Morton and dismantles his
Trading Post cuz he didn't like what he
was doing so they're just like they're
like two like kind of rival towns like
living next to each other so here's the
year where the big fun versus not fun
battle happens between these two so in
1628 there's a Mayday celebration do you
know what Mayday
is that was a Canadian thing is that
when when their prime minister is
born I make that up
do we not celebrate Justin Trudeau's
birthday it totally could I don't
know you don't we don't celebrate the
current president's birthday maybe they
have a prime minister day I I have no
idea Canadians let us know so Mayday is
now a holiday for workers rights but it
it's in pre-christian Europe so a long
time ago it was the beginning of Summer
and fertility a time for feasting and
dancing winter sucks and I feel this
like you just want to be happy and have
it be warm finally so you know have you
ever seen a m pole it's like a tall
wooden pole and you do like a dance
around it like did you ever see um where
would I see this like in what situation
would I be exposed did you see did you
see Midsummer yeah so like they do it in
there I think so it's like a big pole
and you have like ribbons and then you
like do a dance around it and way as you
do the dance the ribbons tie on the pole
it's very pretty okay so it's like a
it's like a spring festival and then of
course like Christians were like make it
about Jesus so it became about like
devotion and prayer there's the May
Queen which is like what Florence
Florence Pew was in
Midsummer and so um I I don't know I
wrot this very late last night but I
wrote have you read any books or seen
Midsummer to anyone so just like that's
what we're looking at hey TL can I
interrupt you for a sec do you think
that maybe it's a good idea if you put
that jug of milk behind you in the
fridge instead of letting it sit outside
by the window it's not milk could you
imagine it's what it's for first of all
it says distilled water it's my mom's
ironing water I see okay just checking
why would I just have a gallon of milk
in here I thought maybe you forgot and
you can't see it but I can so oh my God
what if I was just like drinking a glass
of
milk it's almost as gross as rabbit's
blood it is can I imagine gross okay so
it's 1628 it's May you can assume the
Winter's been awful Morton the fun guy
and his followers celebrate Mayday with
like a huge party there's drinking
dancing merry making this is a quotee
that was on Wikipedia it says they set
up a mapole drinking and dancing about
it many days together inviting the
Indian women for their consorts right
dancing and frisking together like so
many fairies or Furies rather and worse
practices as if they had a new revived
and celebrated the feasts of e Roman
gladus Flora or ye beastly practices of
ye mad oh my God I can't even proun it
bakus like the God you know anyway it
was
Rowdy bakus is that that's the god of
wine of wine okay yeah so it's like wine
a lot of drinking a lot of just like sex
and not Puritan things so it sounds
super fun and I there's always like
something in history that would be fun
to like go back to this feel something
that's like not known as well as like
you know going to like a big battle or
something but I think it'd be super fun
to go back to and be like this party is
super fun it's like you know yeah
Coachella when we're in Palm Springs
it'll be just kind of almost exactly
like that so imagine that with like
Puritan stot them which is ex what's
happening in America right now so yes
and I also like love well I was thinking
about like what if I was there what
would it be like and also wanted to if I
haven't told you before one we did one
Christmas in Colonial Williamsburg and
it was awesome and like I love like
doing aers of history there were a lot
of capes and they have like do
activities and like went to like a ball
and learned this like dance like line
dance or whatever and I was dancing with
someone like some like actor you know
and he was like did you hear that
Washington is going to speak later today
in the town square and I was like that
is so fun [ __ ] so fun that is so fun
I you know one thing we never talked
about is when I was a kid I used to love
going to Civil War reenactments those
was my favorite thing because they would
go so in detail like they would have
like the little shitty tents and there'd
be like a pot of stew over fire and it
was just so much yeah it was really good
that's so fun I remember um in Brooklyn
they do like a a reenactment of like a
revolutionary war fight and um I like
met someone that was dressed like
Benjamin Franklin that's a picture in
our slack is me and the Benjamin Frank L
CU I was so excited I was like this is
awesome it's just like weird old man but
I was like this is so fun oh my God that
is Benjamin Franklin
yeah that's awesome yeah it very very
fun so so they're so mad about this over
in in Plymouth that they go over and
they arrest arrest Morton for having
this big party and they give him a trial
and they're going to send him back to
England but instead of like giving him a
ticket back to England they just maroon
him on an island and wait for someone to
pick him up which is that could be fun
if if you have an axe with you and like
you know some survival tools in water
it' be cool yes but he did get picked up
and he went back to England and then the
colony the community of marry Mount
lasted about a year without Morton but
then it collapsed without him as like
kind of their leader so the Puritans
kind of took over and like they kind of
took over for the rest of the land so
I'll tell you a little bit more about
what happened to them later but really
what this is is like this is a story of
we've barely England English people have
barely even been here for like a couple
years and there already this huge clash
between like the old world and the new
world so there's like a new world where
we're maybe going to be more free and
and and be more more creative and like
more you know not so strict and
religious and then there's this old
world that the that the Puritans are
trying to replicate in in the new world
but the whole thing is like the the old
world never existed like there is no
like perfect Puritan world and so
they're trying to do that and like
nothing nostalgic is true so it's like
kind of a whatever they're trying to do
something that was like almost
impossible which is why there's like so
much conflict so there's like this is
like a story of the conflict between
individuality and being more diverse and
more tolerant and then not being like
really religious well that's I think
that's like our interpretation of it so
what was the actual what did they think
they were fighting about they were
fighting about this big party being like
not being as religious as them that's it
yeah they were offended by the party
they called it ungodly okay that's kind
of yeah that's like you just didn't get
invited that's the problem your problem
is you didn't get invited a good point
also every I just my shoes just squeaked
on the mat underneath my feet that was
not a fart just so everybody's clear if
that did pick up in the mic which I
don't know if it did I'm just gonna flag
that nobody knows that's so funny so
yeah so you can just like use this story
as like a manifestation of that old
versus new super religious versus a
little more LAX like still religious but
like not as like strict and anderan
which is like a word we used as you know
a an an adjective so you know Morton was
the new world individualism tolerance
Freedom Bradford was the old world
religion social hierarchy Conformity so
in 1628 Morton does go back to England
he returns a year later and they arrest
him again because they're like we told
you leave like found him somehow it's
1629 like go anywhere else but they they
Ked him out of Massachusetts so he could
never go back to
Massachusetts again and then he ends up
going back to England and coming back
and trying to make a colony in Maine so
Morton goes back and forth a few more
times a couple failed Adventures he
either died I got two conflicting
stories one said he died in England at
64 another said he died in Main in when
he was 71 so either way he you never
went back to Massachusetts and and
didn't really have contact with the
Puritans again and Bradford died um in
1644 which is about 40 years before the
Salem WT witch trials in Plymouth at the
age of 67 so he just continued to like
be the leader of Plymouth and continue
to have it be really strict which as we
saw see with Salem continued to be kind
of the way that people acted and lived
in in that part of the of the colonies
for a long time after what's the
stereotype I think it's a stereotype of
like a not fun really strict religious
that like I am really like offended by
you know and then I think maybe the
other way they could see a stereotype of
like someone who is having being like a
little bit more fun being like ungodly
and maybe like of the devil which is
like where we get to kind of like later
with with witches and stuff like if
you're not doing exactly what I tell you
to do and conforming then like you must
be in League with the devil interesting
yeah I um I don't know if it's like an
Austin thing necessarily I don't think I
was really exposed to much in La it's
been most mostly here where the whole
like witchy vibe that some women have
here it's like awesome like I love that
whole it's so fun it's so fun oh my God
I love it I mean I told you all those
crystals and all the stuff that I keep
buying those are all these witches
markets like they call them witches
markets and you go there and it's just
yeah it's bunch of groovy people just
living their life and like it's it's I
think that some of them do like believe
the stuff that they say but in large
part it's like it's like having a
renfair it's like they just want to have
a good time and pretending they're in
old timey you know moments and this Sage
is gonna ward off evil and it's like it
fun believe see that's like with like
that has what like whatever yeah if you
want to like burn sage in your house or
if you want to pray to make things
better I don't give a [ __ ] my problem is
when you ruin other people's lives
because of your beliefs you know like
and I think like witches like your
Austin witchy ladies like they're not
ruining anybody's life they're just
burning some herbs and like I I had a
you know like everyone I had 45 mental
breakdowns during 2020 and I did buy
some spell books you know and I was like
I'm G to start burying stuff in the
backyard and like protecting my house
and like doing these things I'm like
that seems fun you know like why not I'm
gonna I'm going to I'm going to look
this up real quick because I can't
remember it off top of my head I did get
a book that was absolutely disgusting
that you should look at because it was
free um books and reading this is the
least used part of my Amazon
account okay so damn where's the the
silent part of the episode if there's
any any Puritan names that you wish
you'd name your children please give us
an email at Jun topot gmail.com I've
already called cotton and increase but
there's got to be more goodie do want
put the word goodie in front of your
daughter's name have you thought about
that send me an email I've thought about
it we should talk about it more me NS
why I can't find this there's a book
that I got it was um it was Alistair
Crowley's
son who became like a super lame version
of Alistar Crowley himself on all these
books of spells that you could do and
they were like disgusting it was let's
just say there was a lot of like leaving
bodily fluids out in the
open I so much was that it was just like
this guy like like male bodily fluids
yeah we can say that
or yeah like it it was if I wasn't
positive that he believed in the things
that he was saying it sounded like
recipe books for Pazuzu algarad like it
was exactly it was really really bad
it's so funny um yeah I think our
stories are super similar because I
think we're in like creepy like East
Coast woods and people are just like
whether or not like zuzu's schizophrenia
had something to do with it which I
assume that it did like it's that idea
of being like when will something happen
you know like when will something happen
to me and then like I have this terrible
childhood and like I want something to
happen let me be provocative with this
and then like in in colonial America
some people are like maybe we finally
have the chance to make something happen
to like do something different and to
like have some free thought and the
Puritans are like no that's not why
we're here and then I just think it's so
it's more I think about it the more like
of a big deal it is of a larger problem
thinking that like when I was younger I
definitely was told like we're here
because people wanted to do practice
whatever religion they wanted and we
wanted to be you could be whatever you
wanted in America and that's not true
you know and like that's not that was
never true but like I don't know why I
thought about that for a while a while
come here my daughter just came in look
what she has Flo Hi Flo where'd you get
that did Str make it is that a lion what
is that how do you make it oh they're
having a there's like a park next at
Mom's house and there was a clown I
guess and so Lauren's got a well who
made that then a balloon person I'd
rather that than a clown there's a lot
of finger pointing happening off screen
very cool cool balloon animal break very
cool um very very you but you know what
I mean I feel like you can cut it out
but you know but you know I mean I think
it's like it's and now we're in this
time in America today where there's this
like Christian Right Movement that's
like trying to destroy public schools
and Destroy publicly funded things so
that everybody has to pay to go to a a
Christian School so they can pick out
what books people read and like just why
I'm so glad I don't have to pay
attention to any of this stuff I just
live in my little bubble you you cannot
live in your bubble you live in America
you're going to find that something
bad's going to happen to you you you Wen
paying attention to everybody else just
tell me what to vote for it I don't like
you tell me I don't I don't want to pay
attention to politics anymore I don't
want to pay attention to what's going on
in the world just you tell me what to do
perfect okay yeah someone tells me I'm
to get kicked out of Texas but sure as
my first thought was you should move out
of Texas but okay we'll talk that
later ipris is he even convinced Blair I
I am gonna I mean I'm GNA wait BL sorry
I'm G to wait until you're past having
an infant but we should talk about
vising a daughter in Texas I'm sure
you've thought about it Blair's very
smart she can she knows TR do the math
um cool well we'll go ahead and pause
the recording thank you everyone for
listening and yeah thank you for the
suggestion Lindsay for this and thanks
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