Let's revisit our episode on the Hatfields & McCoys! They lived in the wilds of Applaciacia; there was a whole thing with a hog, lots of homemade hooch (which was a problem because of taxes), and a few love stories. Join us for this classic tale of rivalry and revenge!
Let's revisit our episode on the Hatfields & McCoys! They lived in the wilds of Applaciacia; there was a whole thing with a hog, lots of homemade hooch (which was a problem because of taxes), and a few love stories.
Join us for this classic tale of rivalry and revenge!
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
hi friends today we are re-releasing episode 15 part one about the Hatfields and The McCoys this is one that I tailor
from Doom defail um did earlier or I guess last year in 2023 it's a classic
fun story and I hope that most of our stories are that um this is about the family feud in Appalachia and I say fun
because it's wild and a lot of people died and it is
a glimp into a life that a lot of us I don't know will never live unless you're
making moonshine in your backyard and shooting your neighbors which I don't know you could be I don't know your life um anyway if you have any questions or
want to suggest something that we can cover feuds are fun riots are fun
explosions are fun let us know Doom toel pod gmail.com the matter of the people of
State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09 my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
country okay Taylor what's your ban for the week um I oh God no I um well I told
you I just woke I just woke up but I did do all my work outline yesterday because yesterday was the day off um because the
New York Stock Exchange is closed on Good Friday and um it was awesome it was the best I wish I had every Friday off
are you a stock broker now and I don't know this I am it's because I'm a stock broker no I work at a fintech company of
ours I see so um but we uh yeah so I went to a little coffee shop in town and
I wrote my outline it was the first nice day that I've seen in so freaking long
so it was really nice it's awesome that's a fun way to do it yeah and then I did a bunch of like errands today's
miles's birthday party so I bought some stuff for that and then we have Easter
on Sunday so I had to buy all that [ __ ] and yeah is it actually his birthday today no it was on Tuesday got it okay
sweet yeah um my banter for the week man my brain's working a little bit slow
today one of those nights last night I went to bed really early so I don't know what my problem is I went to bed really
late that's my problem yeah I I was like I was like forget it I'm going to bed really early and so I just went to bed
at like 9:30 and it was lovely a does so nice yeah that was not the night I had
um I'm probably going to repeat it more tonight so it is what it is that's that's the best I got you do you you
live your life your your free childree life in a big city someone told me that
um it's Easter which I totally forgot that it was and I put this on like not even
knowing that and so is it upside down cross yeah I was like wow how weird I
haven't I've worn this like maybe once that's so funny ever and I put it on and somebody was like oh yeah it's Easter
and I was like oh [ __ ] what a weird time that I pick to where it's a sign from from Heaven I know well my family this
makes my mom annoyed but we we always say can't wait to see if Jesus sees Shadow on Sunday six week of
winter yeah yeah well let's let's go ahead and introduce the show what's my
attack line going to be hold on uh yeah okay I got it all right welcome to
Doom to fail the podcast where we keep intermittently switching off who's the most tired person and today I'm winning
I'm Forest I'm joined here by my co-host Taylor Taylor how you doing I am good I'm up I think I've been up for like a
solid five minutes so now I'm starting to feel it I can see the sun I had half a can of Diet Coke so yeah isn't it
weird like you know I used to do this thing where if I because it's so obvious
whenever I wake up and I go straight into a zoom call yeah and there there are sometimes when those Zoom calls are
happening at like noon so I have no just fiable reason for having just woken up and I'll just like sit in my room and
just like Clear My Throat over and over again and shout and then whisper and try to get my voice to modulate enough so
that it doesn't sound like I literally just woke up I've been up for hours yeah you sound just like it too um but yeah
so we're going to be covering our red flaggy relationships one is historical one is true crimey Taylor is is you go
this week yes okay I never remember and you always keep me on the straight and arrow so why don't you introduce your
drink and then you can like well actually should I do mine you go first yeah yeah and then I'll go so mine's
going to be um Gutter and sewer water because the people that we're covering are just gutter trash people that
probably should have just been killed with a rock's children um so yeah that's
that's what I'm drinking what about you okay well that's really funny okay this week
I'll switch go right into my story we're drinking apple whiskey distilled by a
very dirty man in a very dirty Shack in the middle of the woods but it's so so is Apple whiskey
whiskey that is flavored with apples or is that no I think it's just like moonshine like it's like whatever um
booze you can get out of that got it got it okay I've never heard of it called Apple whiskey though I think today you
could probably get apple whiskey like I got like a peanut butter flavored whiskey one time like I think you could get that was that screw ball I don't
know maybe it it is disgust so you know how much I like my bourbon I bought a bottle of screw ball when I first moved
to Austin I had that thing for like two and a half years I couldn't get through it it was just so disgusting I don't
remember what it tasted like but I remember it existed yeah the topic gr not a fan okay so I want you to try to
guess far as what we're going to talk about and we're going to get there because I'm going to do the second and maybe last installment of my weekly
weekly segment which is called I already have children I will have no more here are some names I forgot to consider when
I'm H was having them and I give them to you you're welcome it's a long segment name but that's this is this is episode two of
that so I'm going to give you some names and then you tell me if you know who I'm talking about okay love this tap I'm
just gonna keep going and then you let me know johy squirrel hunting Sam skunk hair
cotton top bad Frank and devilance it all sounds like
frontiersmen in Texas pretty close we're talking Hatfields and McCoys oh so good
we're on the border of Kentucky and West Virginia so good okay so super excited I
did a bunch of research um I read the book Feud um I I read like half of it and then I started started over because
I watched the Hat fil McCoy's miniseries on Netflix and then I had to like go back and like reread the book because
then it it I kind of like know who it was talking about and I swear last week it wasn't available but then all a
sudden it was like the miniseries it's on Netflix it start as Kevin Coster as himself devance it's kind of like just
Kevin Coster being Kevin cooster and Bill Paxton um rip as Randall McCoy so
was it good yeah yeah it's a three episode series it's very it's very fun
okay into it yeah yeah um it also ties back to other my other stories in different ways so one is the book Feud
that I read it opens up with the author talking about how JFK Jr wanted to do a
big story about um the hatfeld of McCoy in George magazine because he was really
interested in doing more like American history stuff in his magazine but he
died so they didn't get to do it and I know shame don't get into play with a Kennedy and then number two elanar
Roosevelt was very personally invested in this community in aalach um in this like area and she made a community
called arthurdale which was like a place where they like built houses for people gave them skills and she was able to
like help them kind of figure themselves out um it was pretty good it was parts of it were segregated which is great but
it was still like a good effort by ER so she spent time in there too also my my algorithm is hilarious cuz all the
articles I get and like my pop-up news are like now we know what Cleopatra smells like and we found we found
ambulance's necklace and I'm like oh my God my algorithm is like out of control right now I'm going to blow my nose can you can you hold please yes Taylor's off
camera blowing her nose I don't know if I'm going to leave this part in or edit it out but just how yall should know
okay I feel less sniffy I'm back perfect um all right so anyway the story unfolds on the banks of the tug River the tug
river separates Kentucky and West Virginia this R this land is a very very rough it's scary but it's not like like
Eastern Massachusetts scary it's still just like it's like very woodsy there's a podcast that I really like called the
old gods of Appalachia and it's like about telling stories of like earthy gods and witches and things in this area
so it's pretty fun if you everist something cool have you ever been to Kentucky or West Virginia no I've done
Kentucky before and it is um it's Lille Lille it's true yeah that counts well I
mean like the countryside like I it is um it's incred it's beautiful for one
but then it's the ju position of that is abject poverty which is really
strange to see in a place that is that rich in natural resources like it's just you would think it be like a tourist hot
spot but I guess it's not because it's just like there's no like Cottages to go
sleep in or you know like just doesn't have the Ambiance of like a Vermont let's say it's true but it's beautiful
yeah definitely uh I know there like the Appalachian Trail it's like really beautiful and the whole area is
beautiful yeah so I me I'll tell you a little bit more about it I also listened to some banjo music on Spotify to get in
the mood and by the time I was writing this um someone was doing Taylor Swift's anti-hero in Banjo version it was great
so it was fun the the Native Americans didn't really live in this area they used it for hunting there's a lot of
like bears and deer and animals and things that live there the tug River itself self is not like the Mississippi
it's like pretty small it's something you could like swim across it's not like a huge river that divides Kentucky and West Virginia and I'll share a map when
I'm doing the socials but everything in the story is within like two miles of each other like it's all very close
everyone that lives really close to each other but they live in different states because they live on different sides of the tug right so I looked at the
demographics in the area today that we were talking about it obviously isn't great it's not like the worst in the
country there's a lot of people below the poverty line everywhere where it's like small town stuff um according to ar.gov the high school diploma rate is
approaching the national average they are 87% but the bachelor's degree rate is still really low at 25% so people are
like getting out of high school but not really leaving and going to college makes sense there's a Dian Sawyer 60 Minutes that came out in 2009 and I
remember my cooworker watching it being like it was crazy I didn't I couldn't watch all of it but could find parts of
it on YouTube it was called hidden America and two stories that stood out there was poor girl and everybody like
nobody has teeth like everyone's like really poor and one girl was like we're not like other people we can't afford
food after food after food cuz they like barely had any food it's pretty sad there was a guy who was a football
player and um he had potential and so he um is going got like a little
scholarship to college and they were focusing on him and then in the middle of his interview things go crazy because
they find his stepbrother sleeping with his underage stepsister and every everyone is like yeah it's not great
because they blood Diane Sawyer's at your house you can't like skip this today you know have you have you ever
seen the uh Mark Lea project that he calls soft white underbelly on
YouTube it's really interesting like he interviews I mean it's basically what it
sounds like the soft white underbelly it's like it's like drug addicts prostitutes you know uh people like that
but there's one part of it that he turned into a series because he found the subject so fascinating and he went
to West Virginia and basically met this family that all lives in this
Shack and apparently I I went down a rabbit hole on Reddit on this apparently
they're very very inbred so all the siblings were just having sex with each other but the way this the group that
was currently alive came about was because there was two two like a male and female set of
twins and they inter and they were direct first cousins and they
intermarried and so it basically just double tripled everything down no the Next Generation over but it's it's
really fascinating I mean you just feel bad for them right like you look at people like that and it's like they had they had no hope right like they there
was no you know I mean they living in a shack and middle I think I saw that recently on the news because my new
algorithm is crazy but yeah they had them like one of the men like couldn't even talk kind of barked like a dog just barked yeah yeah yeah I know exactly
what you're talking about yeah super sad like it also it's like that X Files episode do you remember that one where
um the mom and has all the inbred kids and the mom is like not a full body but
they do all these bad things and they have to like get away and it's like a really good X Files episode I'm gonna admit something to you that I've never
told you before I've never watched X Files yeah all right well you got stuff
to do today um cool well I'll give you a list of good ones it's so good I've
watched all of it twice it's yeah it's great give me like a hit list because I'm going to be on a lot of planes for the next like two weeks okay there's one
that our friend Laura is in I'll give you that one that's a good one wait Laura Harris no way okay yeah she's
little she's like a little girl but it's cute yeah cool I also watched oh a long time ago so my friends and I had a
website called pop 10 that was like top 10 list of stuff I don't know it was like 12 years ago 15 years ago and
someone sent us a DVD like they like send us thing so I got a DVD called the Wild and wonderful Whites of West
Virginia which is about a a a um family with last names white is produc produced
by Johnny Knoxville and it talks about like a family that similarly is like opioids and drugs and just living in
that area yeah it's weird it's like it's like two different versions of sadness one they're not in breed to the point
where they can't communicate or walk anything but they're also like horrible drug addicts they can't tell themselves
yeah it's real sad so yeah two things to highlight before we start the first is obviously incest just we just talked
about it a little bit when I was reading this book this was the first time I've heard the word double first cousin and I was like oh my God what does that mean
but that can be not terrible if you do that the right way like if you married my sister and I married your brother and
we all had kids they'd be double first cousins they're not related no no the next generation is a problem so what I
mentioned earlier with the two sets of twins having sex it's not like it's bad
at that level but it's doubly worse when they're children have sex with each other you you see what I'm saying no no
no but I was saying there's no no nobody related is having sex right now you're just double first cousin because because you have like like your your C you only
have like one set of grandparents as cousins you know how like your cousins have other grandparents like so they you
don't have those you only have like the the the grandparents but you're not sleeping with your sister or anything it
just happens to be that your dad is like related to your uncle you know I really love that all it took was for us to get
into like redneck incest to start going down a genealogy map and actually learning the stuff for real we'll we'll
do a thing but I also want to say that like we've definitely brushed off a lot of cousin and sibling marrying when
we're talking about like queens and kings and Pharaohs and Emperors so like cuz it's not as gross I don't know why
but the fact that I don't know but it's like when you do it in a shack it's different than when doing it
in a castle isn't it I guess no one smells good while doing it I think that's a good yeah
and then also talk about guns and state for the record [ __ ] your guns there's a lot of guns in this story it's right
after the Civil War we'll talk about some dates but they're like homemade guns it's like lead bullets and gunpowder and a lot of people get shot
and live like a lot of people like a lot of people would like oh he shot me like it's fine you're either going to die of
infection or maybe something gets amputated it's not like uh they're not shooting each other with like machine guns there no AR-15 in the story they're
like homemade bullet let a bullet guns so I also know that I promis to talk
about stereotypes today so PBS has a documentary that you cannot watch all of no matter how hard you try but the in
the intro to it talk about industrialization and the old versus the new so like this story of the Hatfield
of McCoy in the late 1800s when it was happening it was in the New York Times
like people were watching it and like it was city folks watching the story judging them calling them Hillbillies
which like sure the hill what I what I just said but it was like national news
so it was what it was doing was inadvertently making the Hatfield and mcco the stereotypes of the American
hilbilly whether or not like there's other stories other people because it were so popular and so the question that
the PBS documentary that I'm unable to finish poses is did industrialization and post Civil War reconstruction push
rural people into this other and we've been separated since then like especially now so like how much did you
know the like eyes on the story from the city and even that even like from big cities in Kentucky they would look down
at these folks and listen to this story so it's weird like I kind of look at it as like a badass like I it's so old
American Frontiers living it's just like cuz I I I don't know enough about it to
like say anything pithy but I would say that like they really did [ __ ] each
other up like they shot each other they like killed their relatives and it's just like I don't know there's something
weirdly Charming about like they're like their own military like their own Army their own nation states yeah and then
also yeah because I'm going to talk about violence there's a lot of violence these are like very fiercely loyer loyal and stubborn people there's a theory
that the McCoys had a disease called Von hippo lindow disease it's not a theory
because descendants have it so like people on the family do have it and it can make you really short-tempered so
that could escalated it on the McCoy side at least that they had like a disease that made them more short-tempered but they're exceptionally
short-tempered like crazy things happened okay so for years the Hatfields and
McCoys lived on the tug River Valley they sort of lived together like just like neighbors they did have they did
intermar a little bit like not incest intermar but like family intermar so people could be both in McCoy and a
Hatfield and they lived in the same Community it's like a small Mountain Community that escalates with our two
main Patriarchs so William Anderson Hatfield was born in 1842 his that's devilance devilance is a
nickname um he got by his mom there's a story that when he was a little kid like 10 he tracked a bear through the woods
and then by time he got to it he had dropped his bullets and he couldn't kill it so he was so mad he kicked it and the
bear went running up into a tree and he sat at the bottom of the tree for like two days until his family found him because he didn't want to leave CU he
was very stubborn wow so devilance is also Kevin cner if you want to picture that okay he married a
woman named levia chaen in 1861 and they would go on to have 13 children so
there's a lot of kids in this story as well and then Randolph Randall McCoy is a little bit older he was born in 1825
he did marry his first cousin Sarah Sally McCoy um and they would have 17
children what is it about being poor and having a lot of children I I don't get how two are correlated well it's a
couple things it's like one you don't have access to birth control so you don't have a way to not have a baby if
you if you want to not have one and then also like the the kids the especially in
this time and in in the past I mean more so than now like a lot of kids died in
when they were little you know so you that was like a part of life like a lot of kids died in infancy a lot of kids
died when they were toddlers there was like disease they would get lost you know and you just needed the kids to work on the
farm so you're just having more kids do you remember how they would do abortions
back in the day from the dmer party episode just no being on a horse no
because during during the Donner Party Fiasco a lot of women would just like get pregnant on the trail and like that was the worst possible time to get
pregnant because you're on a trail and there's no medical anything around and
so what they would do is they just find the biggest strongest guy and put the lady on his lap and he just have to shake his legs like really really hard
and that would apparently induce the abortion so it wasn't really scientific but it apparently worked yeah and I I do
remember from that that they were like they wanted to do that because they were like I can't have another baby like I
can't have a baby on this thing like no way and then it was later yeah oh God
terrible so there's tons of kids in the story in the in the miniseries they are
there are kids around but there aren't like tons of kids but like in real life like it's like grandkids are the same age as the kids like there's just tons
of people constantly having babies so it's April 1861 and the Civil War begins
so thank you fact yeah tracks you you would think it was like a 100%
Confederate there it's not 100% there's a little bit of like a little bit of tension a little bit of back and forth
but devilance and Randall both joined the Confederate Army sorry sorry your point was that you would think that West
Virginia and Kentucky are full of um Confederate okay I mean I would
stereotyping them you are stereotyping there a little bit Yeah so um devilance actually desserts
and goes back to his family that's not part of why there is a feud but it is interesting that devilance deserts and he's he is going to be one of the the
Hatfields are a lot more um they have a lot more money than the McCoy they have like a Timber business they do
bootlegging the Hatfields are more well off than the McCoy are and there a few instances that could have started the
feud so the feud starts officially after the Civil War Randall's brother Harmon
McCoy was a Union soldier so he did fight for the north he was injured in
the war a bunch and was sent home in December 1864 so Harmon gets sent home
back to this area and everyone's pissed because he was a Union soldier essentially and the Hatfields are like
we're going to kill him he was a Union soldier so he goes home and his family's like oh my God we missed you we can't
we're we're so happy you're here you're injured what can we do and within a week he has to go hide because the Hatfields
are going after him and he goes and hides in the woods they end up finding him because of footprints in the snow
cuz it's like January in in the mountains and crazy Uncle Jim who is
devan's Uncle he kills him so he kills Randall's brother Harmon in 1865 leaving
his wife widowed and she has a bunch of kids that we're going to talk about later okay so that's an instigating
thing for sure that was the start the start was the union Confederate divide basically yeah yeah well yes and then
just like this one guy happened to be a McCoy and they killed him Harmon so 13 years later in 1878 there's an issue
with Hogs so razorback hogs are just a big part of life out there they're like what you get your food from um all that
you would generally let them wander around and then pick them up when it was time to like slaughter them um because
like they would just go into the woods and eat and kind of take care of themselves and you would Mark your h HS by cutting their ears so it'd be like oh
the Pino cut is like two cuts in the ear of this hog that's how you know it's mine but that got confusing cuz there
only so many ways to do that and like people would get them confused all the time and Randall's Hogs go missing and
he goes looking for them and devil an's cousin Floyd says they are his so now
there's two people fighting over these Hogs that were just kind of wandering in the woods and it ends up going to court
and a lot of stuff goes to court in this story also so they do try to like be
litigious and and um solve things that way but the problem is like the justice
of the peace is a Hatfield like this is all the people that live here you know and so like literally the jury is half
Hatfields half McCoys there's so many relatives because there's so many of them yeah and then
there's a split because one of the McCoy works for devilance at his like Timber um place and a man named Bill stin
who works for devil ANS as well testifies that the Hogs do belong to Floyd Hatfield so Floyd wins and Randall
McCoy has to pay all the legal fees so he's pissed Bill Stanton who is the one who kind of swayed the jury to um the
Hatfield side isn't long for this world Randall's Sons Sam and Paris kill him in 1880 and they claim self-defense and
they get off but it was because of the Hogs you just do whatever you want yeah into the woods and and shoot him yeah so
there are some people that I haven't mentioned that I won't really mention in the story but one of them is The McCoys
do have a lawyer in their family his last name is kleene he's in a lot of these stories kind of like as like the
person who's a little more educated so he helps the McCoy get legal justice he also happened to have inherited some
land from his father and ended up having to give it to devilance because of like threats and like other things so he also
has like a personal Vendetta against the Hatfields makes sense so they have this like lawyer on their side so now
everyone's like really mad because like the hog thing Harmon's dead tensions are up and then a third thing happens John Z
Hatfield who Dev Lance's oldest son is a bit of a philanderer he it's actually
like not the end of the world to have sex before marriage there's like saloons with sex workers everyone knows it it's
not puritanical you know it's just like kind of wild and they go to a party they go to all these like community events
together and at this party jnz sees Randall McCoy's daughter Rosanna like poten for the first time but that can't
be true because there's like everyone lives so close to each other I'm sure he knew she existed but he like sees her
and he like likes her for the first time she's a little bit older she's very pretty and they hook up and they want to
get married Randall McCoy is like absolutely no and he disowns her and he never talks to her again wait what's her
name again Rosanna Rosanna McCoy she's very pretty you can there a picture of
her let's see did you find her yeah I mean look uh beauty standards change
over time I would assume pretty she she kind of looks like John Wayne
gasey she does not for [ __ ] sake far she's very she's
very pretty I'll put the picture on the internet but yes yeah I mean look the people that played her are exceptionally
pretty like I don't know who this is Hatfield and McCoy this is a 2012 movie
yeah yeah Lindsay pulsifer something plays I mean she's
very pretty but I I don't think this woman is anyways whatever different sards fine I think she's pretty doesn't
matter no but um and then so anyway this is the red flag literally say in Feud
this is the red flag of the of the whole Feud is because Randall is so willing to
never talk to her again he's like you're my daughter you are my favorite I loved you so much I will never talk to you
again in the show Bill Paxton takes her hope chest you know what a hope chest is uh uh no it's like if you have if you
have a daughter in like the in the past I don't know people do it now but literally it's like a a wooden chest and
you put things in it for her when she gets married like you make as she's growing up you make like embroidered
napkins for her and you find like special dishes and special things and you put it in there that she can take with her to start her married life
that's really cool we should do that like that should be a continuation I have a I have a a plastic container
filled with stuff from when Obama was running for president for the kids that's yeah stuff like that that's
really cool New York Times and all that yeah so anyway in the show Bill Paxton
takes her hope chest and destroys it in the rain and it's very dramatic he's like very dramatic in this movie so I
don't know if he really did that but anyway he said no Rosanna you are out of my life so devilance lets Rosanna stay
with them on the West Virginia side of the tug while they aren't married yet Rosanna does get pregnant and Jona is a
bootlegger of moonshine so it's not illegal to have alcohol now it's not like Pro but it's it's illegal to make
it and sell it without telling the IRS essentially they want it need to be like a legitimate business so Rosanna is torn
she goes home she's pregnant she's upset her dad doesn't want to talk to her she's trying to figure out what to do
and Jona comes to get her because he does love they do love each other Jona comes to get her and her brothers try to
arrest him because they have a bootlegging warrant against him in West Virginia so they try to arrest him and
they take him to a place like they're going to arrest him put him into jail and Rosanna despite being very pregnant she steals a horse from a neighbor and
rides to the Hatfields to tell them that Jon's being taken away and they go and save him so this is even more betrayal
to her family because she like left her house and like told them that but she
moves in with her aunt instead of moving back in with her family or with Jonie she has the baby her name is Sarah
Elizabeth she dies before her first birthday so unfortunately the baby dies Jona does love her and tries to go back
to her but she you know feels like she's Bren then then you know there's a terrible story cuz John is like still
kind of a Flander and he's been spending time with a sex worker to kind of like heal his broken heart and his family's
super pissed and they find and this isn't even this isn't in the movie but they find this sex worker hanging in the
woods they hung they hanged her naked with a dress over her face and she was hanging for two days before someone
found her so someone got rid of her so that Jona would stop paying so much time
with her which is horrifying so rosanna's heartbroken johy actually ends up marrying her cousin
Nancy so another McCoy so johy marries Nancy McCoy and even in the book Feud
they say that he loved her less like he just didn't love her as much as he loved Rosanna yeah there's Nancy in this
picture Nancy is the daughter of Harmon the Union soldier who was killed in the
beginning right so it's like Nancy what are you doing in the movie She's portrayed as being kind of awful but
you're like you're not only your family by marrying Hatfield but you're also marrying the person that you know your cousin loves so Nancy has a whole thing
so Rosanna eventually just dies of being sad she dies a lot a couple women in the story just die of being sad so here's so
here's where things start getting a little bit crazy and we get into like the real escalation of the feud so there
are states issues because they're in different states so we're like who's juristiction is this like I can see across the tug but it's a different
state but generally the Hatfields and mcco have the same political views so when there is a big election like in the
area they're usually on the same side of the election the voting in this time is very public you know it's obviously just
men but you like go to a an all day long event and they say like everyone who wants this person to win stand over here
raise your hand this person stand over here raise your hand like it's not private you're like raising your hand to say that and so it's kind of fun a fun
day like everyone comes you bring your family there's food there's music um and there's a lot of whiskey so a lot of
this like Moonshine Whiskey it involves like I said apples you like for them in the woods and you like heat it up and
boil it and like let it sit for a while and so now it's 1882 and there's an
election so one of these big election parties it's in Kentucky and everyone's there all of our main characters are
there someone brings even more whiskey than usual and they bring corn whiskey and it's like the you know the thing is
if you mix corn and apple whiskey like you're [ __ ] it's like much worse for you to like drink both of them wait you
get just drunk faster yeah yeah exactly so devilance has has a brother Ellison
who had a baby with their cousin I don't know anything about her but like he has his baby she's not in the picture he has
the baby or not the baby he's like a young man their son cotton top is
important later in the story cotton top was slow and possibly albino but either
way he was very blonde and that's why they call him Cotton top get him he's like white here yeah so it's election
day Ellison gets in a fight with some of the McCoys and is stabbed over 20 times and then shot so by they just got this
like drunken brawl over whatever and the three McCoy boys Tolbert farmer so the
ph and Bud they are uh taken away by the law the Hatfields are the cops in this
area in Kentucky so they take the boys to Pikeville and I say boys but they're not boys toart already has kids like
they're just like young men and they take him to Pikeville in Kentucky Ellison isn't dead yet he's been shot
he's been shot once and stabbed 20 times but he's not dead and on the way over to
to put them in jail in Kentucky devilance and a posi stop them and
they're like give them to us like screw all the paperwork we're going to take them to West Virginia and tie them up
and if Ellison dies then they die like we're going to do this vigilante justice if he dies then all three of these boys
are going to die they kind of like even though they're like kind of the Hat fields on the law on the Kentucky side
he's like we're taking them over to West Virginia I kind of love this it's it's like a lot so he takes the he take they
take the boys they tie them up in an abandoned Schoolhouse and they're waiting to see if Ellison dies so
they're like if he dies you die FYI but they're just waiting for the news and he's like definitely goingon to die because he stabbed so many times in shot
yeah they're probably hoping that like able to kill this guy
so the boys are tied up in this abandoned Schoolhouse poor Sarah their
mom and Mary who's tolbert's wife they come to the schoolhouse and they cry and they pray and they beg for the freedom
and the Hatfields are like no if Allison dies they die Allison dies spoiler alert
from all the stuff and all three McCoys are walked like a mile into the woods tied to trees and shot so the shooters
are basically every single Hatfield Jon's there devilance is there cotton top Cal a guy named skunk hair because
he had a big shock of white hair they're all there and they all just like shoot at the same time poor Mary who tolbert's
wife just dies of being sad so now I mean can you imagine if three of her sons Sarah's Sons were just like killed
in this like vigilante thing so she that had the 17 children three of them are dead from this everyone's like super you
know upset and obviously but now the McCoy want revenge from for this Revenge
killing and there's a man that comes to town for who's a bounty hunter and his
name is bad Frank Phillips so name bad Frank yeah the governor of Kentucky
Simon Buckner bucker appoints him a special sheriff and bad Frank comes to town to help The McCoys get the
Hatfields for this for this vigilante murderer who care like all they're just
a there's two groups of serial killers like who who's keeping count at this point um just assume that all your
family members are going to die and then you're going to kill theirs like what I don't well everyone I mean like the B
basically the governor his stance is like you're giving us a bad name like your people are some people would you
get caught in the Crosshair he's like you guys have to cut it out you can't just have like a violent area where you kill each other like it's yeah it's
probably not good for tourism yeah you just can't so bad Frank the first first McCoy he
kills is skunk hair or the first Hatfield he kills is skunk hair because he's a guy who has like that like shock
of white hair that's why he's called that and he scalps him and brings his scalp to prove that he's dead which is gross and also makes sense because he
has that special hair so now other things are happening Jon and Nancy are married nany's brother Jackson gets into
a drunken fight with a mailman and kills him just no one knows why got in a fight
so now there's a bounty on Jackson McCoy's head and he goes and lives with Nancy and johy and John's like doesn't
love this he's one out an outlaw McCoy at his house and he tells his brothers that Jackson is there and they come and
get him they chase him across the tug and they shoot him so now nany's mad because her husband told his family
where the where her brother was but like what did you think was going to happen Nancy you're married to a field in the middle of this and so she starts telling
bad Frank things and they end up hooking up she has a couple Nancy has a couple of kids with bad Frank while he's
married to someone else and while she's married to Jony but eventually they do get married and I just wrote nany for
[ __ ] sake likeing girl so now the Hatfields are being hunted by The McCoys
and bad Frank for the murder of the three McCoy boys and and they're pissed so the Hatfields do another horrible
thing on January 1st 1888 they ambushed the McCoy house while everybody is
sleeping this is called the New Year's night Massacre Randall McCoy runs his
wife Sarah is like run they're after you they want to kill you because you're the you know you're the the man you just run
and go so Rand McCoy runs out the back and no one sees him leave there's a couple other people in the house there a lot of kids in the house there's um
alfair is the oldest daughter she's 27 but she's there to like help take care of all the kids tolbert's son is there
so one of the men who died his son's there lots of other kids crazy Uncle Jim Hatfield who killed Harmon throws
Molotov cocktails into the house and now the house is on fire and it's full of women and children one of the Hatfields
cap um I've said his name a couple times but he's essentially the meanest Hatfield and he injured his eye in like
a gun thing when he was a kid so he has like one Milky eye and when he died in 1930 they found a bullet next to his
brain which they think maybe made him like so super aggressive but cap is there all the Hat fields are there
they're shooting at the house the house is now on fire the women have buttermilk and a little bit of water but they can't
put the fire out um wait this is the 1870s isn't it it's 1888 okay okay that
makes sense that he died in 1930 okay yeah yeah the women are Tred with the
fire they can't do it Cal McCoy he get goes to the attic and tries to shoot from there they had actually cut like
holes in the attic wall to shoot out of like a fort like a medieval Fortress even though it's a one room cabin if
something does happen so he's shooting out there the house is filled with smoke and alfer the oldest daughter takes the
children and runs from the house they run up the back cap and cotton top see them and cap yells to Cotton top to
shoot her and cotton top shoots her and kills her so alfair dies and the girls
run and hide in the woods they hide for the whole night they're going to end up with like frostbite injuries but they get out in the book it says that alfair
lives long enough to say it was cap and no one else who shot her when asked I don't know if that's true but if it is
true it sounds like she said it to be very nice because cotton top did shoot her but cap told him to and cotton top
was like not all there right right so that's super unfair H the McCoy boy
leaves the house he's Al also killed this is like Sarah has had so many bad days in this so Sarah McCoy the mom is
freaking out she leaves the house she knows Al is dead she knows K is dead she knows it's all because her three boys
are dead and Uncle crazy Uncle Jim hits her with his rifle and she passes out she survives but she's like laying in
the snow all night because they have like attacked and burned down their house that's horrifying and now they have to get the
Hatfields for doing this to the McCoy so it's just like back and forth back and forth um between 1880 and 1891 like the
height of the feud you know over a dozen people died of the two families so it's like a lot of people are dying because
of this there's a a little battle called The Battle of Great Vine creek to get the Hatfields arrested for the murder
and that involves more like actual law enforcement because the governor is really pissed he's like stop doing this so they do go to trial and in August
24th 1888 eight of the Hatfields and some of co-conspirators are indicted for murder it includes cap Jony Robert and
Elliot Hatfield Ellison mounts French Ellis Charles gppi and Thomas Chambers
most of them get life in prison which doesn't mean life because they get out
you know in a couple years Jony gets married four more times after the story ends so like they get a lot of them get
to go out and live their lives but cotton top gets sentenced to die because he's the one that killed alfair so this
is a big deal this is the thing that's in the paper people come from all over there's like thousands of people that
come to watch this this poor boy get get get hang he's the one who's not all there yes mhm and and it's a big deal
like people get get hanged all the time in this area but nobody had officially been hanged by the government in 40
years and it would never happen again after this because it was just so awful so pork cotton top is taken to the
Gallows on a wagon sitting on top of his own coffin they take him from the jail
yeah from the jail to The Gallows they there's a PCT there's like one photograph of it they um string him up
his last words are the Hatfields made me do it and he is a Hatfield that's the last thing he yells because he knows
that like cap told him to do it and he didn't really know what was going on and he killed alfair so he's he's hanged
it's in the paper all these things and this is like sort of the end because it was so awful you know awful about it was
it like was did his neck not break no no not not not like the hanging itself but like the fact that after this murder of
like women and children and they like attacked and burned down the McCoy house that like
after that the Justice was like hanging a person who was not all there it just like got gross you know people were just
like upset and it's sort of the spot in the in the miniseries as well where they're like it kind of gets boring
after this because they kind of are like whoa we really have done a lot we should calm down like people are like need to
recover like the mcco need to rebuild their house like the Hat fields are all in jail they need to like recover
everyone is tired most of the aggressors are in prison or dead and so that's how
it kind of like Peters out so the really the highlights were those like the McCoy being boys being killed in the woods and
then the H the um McCoy house being burned down and the two men lived for a
long time devil ants doesn't die until 1921 he dies at the age of 81 um of
pneumonia Randall dies at 88 after after uh getting burned from a cooking fire so
he just he doesn't even die of old age he dies of Burns in the miniseries there's like this scene that's
incredible where Bill Paxton now has a white beard and white hair and he's burning he's like in his PJs and he's
burning a bunch of like newspapers and pictures of his family and and drinking whiskey and it gets out of control and that's why how his house burns down but
everything else is it's a cooking fire he dies he dies after a fire and today
there's still Hatfields and McCoys living in the same place like there's still people there there have been a few
public trues most recently in 2003 in the wake of 911 Rio Hatfield one of the
Hatfields there and some McCoys um sign a truce along with 60 members of both
families and this is the quote they say when they are signing the truce they say
we ask by God's grace and love that we forever be remembered as those that bound together the hearts of two
families to form a family of freedom in America we're not saying that you don't
have to fight because sometimes you do have to fight but you don't have to fight forever that's nice yeah
that's it I'm sorry so 911 is what brought this to a conclusion yeah because they were like we can't be
fighting inside America we have enemies and I guess I mean they could have done any of the world wars whatever they
didn't yeah there's been a lot of other situations where America's been attacked Pearl Harbor is a big one I know I don't
know that's what they did that's what they did most recently hey so where where do I find the miniseries what is
it on it's on Netflix okay perfect yeah it's called Hatfields in m three episodes it's fun a
lot of shooting a lot of great accents I love that stuff so much I think the longer I've been in Texas moving back
the more in into it I've gotten it's just it's old timey every like I was thinking
like when you were talking I was like they should create a new category of serial killers which is like families
like it's not like one person necessarily killing people in succession it's like this one family just had this
like blood well these two families had this Blood LST and MH um they really executed on it yeah so many
people died so many people were like permanently injured you know and it's like a time when you know it's and
during the Civil War you know if they shot you in the leg they cut off your leg and you probably died from blood loss you know it's not like the height
of of medicine either so a lot of people yeah just getting hurt and hurting each other because their feelings are hurt
because you know they think they were betrayed in some way it's like when you tell someone to like calm down because they're like that guy said something to
me and they won't calm down you're like who cares but like escalated times of bajillion wait how did you come up with
Hatfield of mcco like what was the impetus for that I think I gosh I don't remember I was thinking about I don't
even know what did I do last week I think I was just I don't know I don't know I don't know where they came from I
have like a list of ideas and I kind of go through it sometimes and then I'll be like oh what about this and then I just whatever so I started this two weeks ago
cuz I had to read I had to read a book and and watch a miniseries so what's the red flag well I think they in the book
they specifically say the red flag is when when Randall McCoy disowned his daughter for being with jonzi like that
was like a no turning back point and it's like the red flag is like these injust these perceived injustices some
of them obviously are real because people died like to escalate to just Madness so you just like get so angry
that you can't do anything but do but like avenge it and that's like R like
also like if you're a McCoy don't marry Hatfields yeah just don't I was goingon to say like like that's probably the
biggest take away from me is like if your family's in a feud and they yeah you know that they kill each other regularly yeah why pour gas on that like
oh my God like Romeo and Juliet exactly you're both going to die you idiots don't do that there's tons of other
people wild wild stuff um well I'm going to go ahead and
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