Let's revisit this terrible story! It's a brutal murder of two trusting elderly people just settling into retirement by some of the worst people you could imagine! This is the story of Tiffany Cole, one of the only women on death row in America, and her boyfriend, Michael Jackson.
Let's revisit this terrible story! It's a brutal murder of two trusting elderly people just settling into retirement by some of the worst people you could imagine! This is the story of Tiffany Cole, one of the only women on death row in America, and her boyfriend, Michael Jackson.
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hi friends Taylor from doomed to fail let's just go ahead and re-release episode 15 part two this was on the
murderers Tiffany Cole and her boyfriend I'm only laughing because I'm about to tell you that her boyfriend's name is Michael Jackson and like he's young
enough to have been born after Michael Jackson Michael Jackson was famous and so like just don't name your kid Michael
Jackson um but that is probably not why this person ended up being a real scumbag murderer but he is he is and so
is Tiffany and they did terrible things and so I would love to hear your
thoughts Doom toell pod gmail.com as a reminder we are going back in re-releasing all of our episodes that we
did double stories on so this is number 15 I think it goes all the way up to 26 so a few weeks left of re-releases and
we'll find something else fun for you but I hope you enjoy a matter of the people of State of California versus
orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
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country there's tons of other people wild wild stuff
um well I'm going to go ahead and transition over to the True Crime part
of our day all right I'll I'll get some gutter water to drink you'll understand like I don't have gutters I will tell
you the names of these people and I want you to Google them because you look at their pictures and you're just like
[ __ ] dirt animals like they're just garbage trash humans that like obviously
are Florida based or not Florida based actually but like the crimes were in Florida it's like whatever it's they
just fit a certain I'm I'm actually going to like the red flag here is spefic specifically about this
relationship where it's like if you know if the person you're dating is sewage water personified like just don't and
then he's like I have a plan to get us rich just don't listen to no maybe it's just fun maybe just a fun dude that you
hang out with maybe you ride the back of his motorcycle like that fine do that but like if there ever comes this time where you're scheming or drafting plans
that's when you cut bait and run that's definitely fair don't don't scheme yes
yes yeah so well I was I'm segueing too far into it I'm going to start with the outline
and then we'll we'll talk our way through this so I will say this past week has been rather interesting so it's been conference season in the political
Tech land and so last week I attended one that was in Austin and I have another one in Denver and then the following one in Palm Springs where I
get hopefully get to see you and I kind of feel terrible saying this but a fun
thing also happened last week in the middle of all these conferences which was this renewed interest in an Austin
serial killer hm well like let's not say renewed so like more so initially there
was initial suspicions that Austin had a serial killer and now more more people are getting involved saying yes there is
like like right now right now like in we're living in this moment right now which is like I shouldn't be so excited
about it I know it's people had families and God love them but it is kind of
awesome to be in the middle of it unless I'm a victim but apparently so between 2008 and now about 30 men in their 20s
to 40s have been pulled from what is now called ladybird Lake it used to be called Town Lake basically it's that iconic Lake in the middle of Central
Austin that p a paddle board on uhhuh the police aren't really saying much which is they're just basically saying
these are drunk accidental drownings yeah no yeah with this Facebook group that
popped up like all these people are like they know these people and like no I was with him that night he wasn't drinking
or somebody's in there is like my son doesn't swim he can't can't swim he's terrified of water he would never
willingly go into water would never Happ yeah so this this Facebook group just
like exploded and popularity which is I'll invite you to it I feel like you'd really get a kick out of it or Blair I mean Blair's probably already in it
because it is the biggest thing in Austin right now whoa they they just cost a serial killer in New York who was
drugging men at gay bars and stealing from them and but they would a lot of
them would die so apparently there's a whole theory around this so yeah at first I was going to discuss
the the serial killings and all these deaths that are going around it I ended up going down this Rabbit Hole of What's
called the smiley face murder Theory have you heard of this before yeah so I'll give the brief
summary which is this theory that was put forth by several law enforcement professionals and professors involved in criminal justice where they've
documented all these death deaths of seemingly able-bodied men in their 20s to 40s found dead in bodies of water and
a the that there's approximately 45 deaths across 11 states that fall under the category of smiley face murders yeah
which is like such an awesome concept like the term smiley face comes from
graffiti smiley faces that are found near some of the bodies and they think
that that's basically the killer trying to troll law enforcement and they did find in these
killings yellow graffiti sorry we don't know what they are we're calling them Max drownings near where some of these
bodies were recovered the police did find yellow graffiti smiley faces on the
pavement wow but but it could have been someone trolling right it could have been it might not even be the killer it
could be just it also could have been I definitely looked up I feel like I read something about it where it's like it
could also be just like a coincidence yeah you could also be a coincidence yeah but like also like I
don't know how many coincidences you need for it to like be a thing but they were like you know there's if you if you're looking for a smiley face
graffiti you're GNA see it that's fair you know but also like it could be more than one person there's so many fun
things that could be fun as in like you know what I mean that's why the smiley face M Theory is like really interesting
because it would either denote one really really clever serial killer or like a tag team
network of serial killers which is like that should be a movie that should definitely be a movie MH so I was going
to cover all this that's what I was going to do for this week's episode but the problem is all these death all these victims show up as accidental drownings
we know some details about their death or like theories around them because again people hung out with they're all
in this group they're all like talk about they're like friends but again like the police aren't
saying anything at this moment they're basically like no accidental deaths but like they're doing a deliberate right like they're trying to not release
information to the public so when they do catch someone it's like this was not public how did you know this you know
yeah exactly one of those things so because all these deaths are right now
only officially considered accidental there's really no red flaggy part of this I would really just only be doing
it out of curiosity of a true Prime phenomenon that's going on right now so
I guess like the only red flag here is like Just Don't Go Near bodies of water when you've been ruied or if you're wasted so I went a different direction I
went with another curiosity of True Crime that is exceptionally rare women
on death row ooh so as of right now there are
2,364 men on Death Row Taylor guess that was my dog shaking
I did not fart just everybody knows feel I have to call this out now Taylor I heard the dog thank you
Taylor guess how many women are on death row I just gave you the number of men it's 2,300 20 50 50 oh going say 50 wait
what's that percentage come out to what is the perc of men to women hold on let me do math 2% so 2% of all people on
death row are women so it's exceptionally rare to land on death row and be a woman
so when women do get the death sentence their crimes are particularly [ __ ]
up it's interesting because the correlation between who gets the death penalty and who doesn't does have to do
with race but not in the way you might think it does it actually boils down to the victim rather than a race of the
perpetrator so it doesn't matter if it's a white guy killing a white guy or a black guy killing a white guy it matters
that it's like a white victim that usually results in uh enforcement of the death penalty so the other victim
related Factor has to do with how they were killed and what where they were in
society and whether they were part of a preced class in society so think kids the elderly the mentally or physically
infirm like those all kind of factor into things get a lot more into what's called aggravating factors here in a moment but that's something key to know
the person I'm covering today her name is Tiffany Cole Taylor can I look her
up yeah go ahead she might look to you c e
yeah I don't know if she looks familiar okay maybe if I start telling the story
it'll start ringing a bell because her what she did was again particularly
[ __ ] up all right okay yeah so Tiffany kind of checked all
the boxes of who you shouldn't kill if you're trying not to get the needle in
2005 Tiffany would have been 24 years old we don't know a ton about her
childhood except that she was acquainted with her victims by way of her father and they grew up in South Carolina
Tiffany and her father were neighbors of the victims that we're going to be discussing here in a moment their names are Carol and Reggie suer so the Summers
had planned because at this time they're living in South Carolina the Summers had planned to move to Jacksonville Florida
and sell their house and in the middle of selling stuff away they actually sold their old car to Tiffany before they
moved they apparently had a really really good relationship because they also let it be known that if Tiffany was
ever in Jacksonville to look them up they basically treated her like their granddaughter in many ways and just the
Summoners were in their 60s and not doing great healthwise they look very sweet she Carol Sumer
looked at the smile on her face is so infectious um yeah they really look like just like your
typical old couple old white couple yeah they seem happy they look very lovely
yeah yeah yeah in April of 2005 Tiffany got involved with a guy whose name is
kind of unfortunate it's Michael Jackson is the name of the guy and yeah why would you do that you already knew
like if there's a famous Michael Jackson it's over for everybody else yeah yeah
yeah which which like for SEO purposes it's also just a terrible name they just didn't foresee how big SEO is going to
be but you know Heather laer in high school poor thing really yeah oh my God I felt so bad for her that's tough it
sucked yeah but there her parents deliberately named her Heather right I know that's what I'm saying yeah like
this Michael Jackson's parents didn't had not not heard of Michael Jackson yeah if ever become if I mean when when this podcast makes us famous you know
there be so many farmer soen sandes around the world so many farmer soen sandes it'll be the hot the hot name on
the list number one boy BB boy list in America farmer so Sange the whole thing
not just your first name yeah I know your segment's gonna have to expand into a lot more names that you should be
using so yeah this is April of 205 Tiffany's now dating this guy Michael
who's just [ __ ] garbage like I don't I don't mean to be so elitist about this but look this guy look up Tiffany Cole
and Michael Jackson because that's the only way you're ever going to find this guy because you're never going to find a Googling Michael Jackson that's really
funny um wait I'm gonna do it with you so I can see what the first results are
because I'm still looking at Nancy McCoy yeah I see it I mean I see it he
has a lot of his he keeps his sunglasses on his forehead oh God he just look my number
one note he just looks like God he's so
[ __ ] God garbage whatever doesn't matter again ride the motorcycle with
this guy don't take don't take investment advice from this guy well like like he he is a type yes garbage um
is a type so in June of 2005 so two months after Tiffany and Michael got
involved with each other Michael wanted to go down to visit his friend in jackville this guy named Wade okay so
Tiffany takes the Summoners up on their offer if you're and jacksonv will give us a shout so she calls them letting
them know that they're going to be in town the Summoners let them stay at their home for a night and I mean there
were just that couple right like you know what when you get older P yeah like you get older people don't pay enough as
much attention to you as they used to and when somebody says they're going to come visit you get all excited and yay let's me your [ __ ] chinstrap bearded
[ __ ] Michael Jackson G just just to be I mean anyone to be nice I'd be like sure I don't know
yeah yeah yeah you're nicer than I am I think but I am that was my chair I had
to call this out every single time I moov now so the Summoners let him stay at
their house and they made him breakfast and during breakfast they let them know for no reason in particular that they
profited $99,000 on the sale of their home in South Carolina that that came out somehow organic or not so Michael
and Tiffany move on with their Jacksonville trip and hang out with Wade but it was after this experience that Michael concluded that they need to rob
the Summoners for the $999,000 wow again this I'm just gonna
flag that this is like I didn't know that this is elitism but who in their right mind
thinks that somebody has $999,000 of cash on them right that's true wait
that's the Cali of this guy Michael like they sold their house and like great give it to me in ones I'm going to
bring it home in a suitcase yes but I mean look at the guy's picture and then assume that this guy has any better plan
than there's [ __ ] $99,000 under their mattress like look that's the plan he
whatever I'm not oh my God no that's I I I I feel like I didn't get that's what he thought until he said that and I'm
like oh he literally thinks that that money is there because I understand telling somebody that in that conversation you know this is like and
this is like pre Zillow but now that we have Zillow you could have figured that out you know like it tells you how much money people make so I know how much
money you made from the sale of your house but yeah I don't assume that you have that cash in your car like I assume
that that money is in a bank yeah I I was um this goes back to the elitism
thing I was like our bank accounts a rich person only commodity they there
are definitely a lot of people especially in like probably in like more poor areas and big cities who are
unbanked which means they don't have a bank and they don't cuz they don't they
just like never had one they don't have an available available one or they do everything in cash or whatever but there
are there are a fair amount of unbanked people they down how many this is a silent portion of our podcast
approximately 5.9 million people are unbanked so that's 4.5% of us households
don't have a bank account at all yeah I would assume that that has something to do with like what's that term redlining
where like you weren't allowed to like certain cities were set up in a way that they were like yeah deliberately forced
minorities into definitely and they wouldn't they they also don't have post offices they don't have grocery stores
they don't have Banks right like but this guy's white like that I don't like I mean you see his picture like I don't
know I mean he should I mean he just doesn't seem very smart yeah and also the other thing I
wrot here like again like the elitism part of it is like Michael came up so
later we'll explain this later on so way the friend that they were visiting in Jacksonville and then Wade's friend
Nixon were also in on this plan to Rob this elderly couple they kind of put all
this together on their own I I I wrote here I was I was like I don't I don't like my friends are like you Taylor like
I don't right if I was like hey let's go [ __ ] knock over a feeble elderly couple like who do I ask that of like I
have no friends to do that with this guy just tripping over them the first guy he sees after devising this plan [ __ ]
way and then Wade like hey not only am I down my buddy Nixon is also in like
super chill with this idea like again I don't have these thoughts in my mind but
like it's just interesting that this guy just trips over three willing participants yeah a minute after with
this plan it's definitely a different Circle than your circle did you ever watch the good place yeah um remember
how the one guy from Jacksonville he died because he was trying to rob a store and they put him inside a safe to
put in the store but he brought a snorkel so he could breathe but they didn't have anywhere to put the snorkel out so he suffocated I don't remember
that and that's how he died because some and his friends were trying to R to Rob something and they were trying to sneak him in that is a Jacksonville death I
will say that yeah just reminded me so yeah I guess I yeah I mean I feel like
there's there's a portion of like how do you he obviously like there it's a I
don't think that Michael Jackson came from a place where he like had a lot of like access to education it sounds like
you know and that can be like part of the tragedy too if you're like pump with these ideas like aren't very good
there's literally no way in hell I can look at these pictures and look at that
disgusting chin strap [ __ ] Ginger beard in Al 2005 stop trying to make
excuses for this guy CP excuses well I know I'm just okay keep going what listen to what they did to
this couple and then no they're terrible people I'm not I'm not making excuses for all the terribleness
okay so at this stage so we got our four participants in this we have Tiffany
Michael Wade and Nixon so this is when the planning gets involved with this party of four so part
of the planning here will basically give away the end results but I'll try to maintain some suspense here okay Nixon
was 18 of this time actually W was also 18 at this time Tiffany and Michael were the same age they were both like 23 24
so Nixon's job was to steal four shovels not buy steal Tiffany was responsible
for renting a car which I don't even get like how would renting a car under your
own name in driver's license op fisc anything I don't I didn't see what the logic of the it was just as good to
drive her car that the Summoner sold her than to rent one right then the four of
them went to find a remote location in Georgia right across the Florida border and dig a giant hole basically
this part of uh the country is terrifying it is so hot it's so humid
it's so full of mosquitoes and animals that you hear in the distance that you don't want to come across it is terrifying oh my God like alligators and
snakes yeah like on in in a moonless night like you there's no like you see
nothing it is swamp so anyways they go
to this location they start digging the hole the hole itself is 4T deep deep and
6 feet along all four sides of it okay so that's the dimensions we're talking about here which like could have been
easy right like that's a pretty damn big hole no I've been planting flowers and
doing like a little well I have I'm also on like pure sand but it's hard yeah yeah yeah it's part of it where I was
like this had to take so long and you're like thinking to yourself like what's coming next like it's already been
devised and there's no I don't Michael must have been just a complete charmer
to convince these folks to do this so we're a month from When Tiffany
and Michael first visited the Summers so we're in July now I'm going to get into the crime now
and I want to replace that or preface that by asking you to oh you already did never mind this is a part of the podcast
I was going to ask you to look up the Summers and tell me what you think but you did and yeah yeah so that and I
think that that's also like why why wouldn't you talk like let your neighbor kids at your house I would totally do
that like if any of the kids I know in town right now in 10 years were like oh I'm back in town I'd be like oh my God
St here like I would never I just wouldn't think you know yeah I mean that was that's the part of the predation
that Tiffany brings to this equation that makes it particularly awful what ends up happening to
them because she didn't know Michael or Wade or Summers didn't know Michael Wade
or any of these guys like it was Tiffany who knew them like brought this gaggle of morons into their lives man so on
July 8th of 2005 the forsome drove to the summoner's house and Tiffany and Michael parked outside while Nixon and
Wade went up to that house they knocked on the door and asked they could use her phone Carol let her in despite being
strangers she just saw two lost 18-year-olds and wanted to help because that's the kind of person she was you
just don't think that it' be this bad yeah uh once inside Wade pour the phone
cord from the wall and Nixon held Carol and Reggie at gunpoint put them in the bathroom and then ducted them so that
they were bound Wade used a walkie-talkie to tell Michael that they were tied up and he made his way to the
house while this was going on apparently Tiffany drove the rental car around so it wasn't weird to just have someone
sitting outside in the rental car the three guys ransacked the house looking for money valuables anything um
$90,000 in cash continue Carol and Reggie were then taken to
their garage and put into the trunk of the Lincoln Town Car they owned they're
bound up still Wade and Nixon drove the town car while T Michael and Tiffany got
in the rented car and started driving out to the place in Georgia where they dug the hole why that's the thing don't
kill people like that's do not kill people that makes no sense like they could have just like
left okay because you know what it is Taylor it's because all these people think that they're not going to get
caught but it's like you're gonna get caught cell phones we have Towers we have cameras we have people who care
about people who like will call and look into things and like anyways so they
then took Carol and Reggie from the Lincoln town car and put them in the Holy Doug alive and started shoveling
dir on top of them what yeah okay I just when I was you know like the joke is
like when you were little you thought that like quicksand and the Berita triangle were going to be big problems
and like they're not big problems but I remember just being so [ __ ] scared of being buried alive and they had there
was like some like made for TV movie maybe that like happened when I was a kid like they buried a girl alive and
like whatever I just like it was just like it's like my biggest fear so awful
yeah I would I mean rightfully so I think you know yeah this remind me of that um do you remember the scene in
Casino where they beat Joe pesi and his brother with baseball bats in the
cornfield and throw them alive into the hole it was basically that like except
they didn't beat him they literally they were able they were well they were old and feeble so they couldn't really
protect themselves but they were just sitting in that this hole they were duct taped they duct
taped [ __ ] so spoiler alert when the bodies were eventually found they in
when they were found it was discovered that there was dirt clogging their
airways right they're drowned in dirt they literally died of being buried
alive I'm like that's just awful yeah I way to die I can't imagine how scary and
awful because like yeah you see your wife is next to you and then it's like oh God so bad
so sad yeah apparently Michael had originally devised a scheme where he was going to inject them with medication to
kill them first what was Michael he has no idea how to do that where was he going to inject first off does he know
how to like where does he know what blood vessels are he doesn't know what bank account so does he even know where to find a blood vessel what he know what
to point to like like this is watched a bunch of movies and been like oh I'll just like
inject them with something you don't know what that is like what could that even possibly be yeah yeah but I mean
look they had shovels like hit them in the head like anything anything is better than consciously being thrown
into a hole bound that you can't escape you're G to kill them anyway like have a
little bit of like have a little bit of humanity while you're murdering this couple [ __ ] yeah because because I
also keep picturing it like I actually like close my eyes and picture it and look at it from their perspective like
not the Summer's perspective from killer perspective where it's like you're 18 and you have this couple in this hole
and you're just like shoveling in this like moonless night like it's just crazy like anyways that's ter terrible so fast
warning a couple of days after this event um the summoner's daughter reported her parents missing to the
police and only 4 days after the home invasion and murder police started noticing that some sums of money were
being withdrawn from the summers's account so I guess they finally did realize that money wasn't kept you know
in the house and apparently like they went and found like I don't know Bank
information so kudos to them for to evade capture and any suspicion that
something was going on Michael called the police as Reggie saying like oh
we're fine like we're just out of town for a little bit like it's like he didn't call the daughter because he didn't have the daughter's info he
called the Poli she would know you know I would know if like it wasn't my dad it was an 18-year-old be like I'm fine like
I don't know what the [ __ ] did he do you imagine what this guy's voice sounds like God I want to so bad he's like a
this specific type of of douchebag that I particularly have disdained for again
look at this guy's pictures anyways uh apparently then they said they they want
to talk to Carol and so Michael handed the phone to Tiffany and Tiffany
pretended to be Carol so that was there that was their game plan that's awful the police were obviously suspicious
this does not sound like a 60s something year old couple like this is obviously kids so they use the cell tower thing
the Ping concept to triangulate where this call was being origin from uh they also bounced the number that was called
in from off rental car companies and discovered that Tiffany had rented a car for like during this time period so the
police assessed that okay it's gonna be from like this region of the city
because cell tower data isn't precise right it just gives you a rough approximation so police drive around they know what the car is that she'd
rented and then they look for that in in this area and they find find them so they were all holded up in a hotel while
Michael Michael Wade and um Tiffany were H up in a hotel and there they found all
the Summoners info like the [ __ ] that they sold from their house basically so obviously they had enough
at this point to arrest them Nixon was the only one with the decency to plead guilty again he was only 18 and really
like the least involved in any of this W just sort of dragged him into it Michael
and Wade were found guilty of SEC two counts of first degree murder and given two death Penal death sentences each
Tiffany was convicted of four counts of firste murder two counts of kidnapping and two counts of robbery and she also
got two death sentences but they tacked on stuff too right it's like 15 years for the kidnapping it's like who cares
you got the death sentence like it doesn't matter right so I went down a bit of a legal
procedural Rabbit Hole here because the death penalty in general just fascinates me and the cases are really really
interesting so in death penalty cases there are mitigating in AGG aggravating
circumstances circumstances when deciding on the appropriate punishment for example a mitigating circumstance
could be hey here's history of emotional and sexual abuse this person was on the tail end of growing up maybe factor that
in when you decide how bad of a person he turned out to be or an aggravating
circumstance can be things like the manner of death or your previous charges
or like other elements that are like H this makes it so much worse well you you counter these two right mitigating
versus aggravating decide whether or not a death sense makes sense and I remember this from from living in Florida at the
time when this case was going on Florida was one of the few states where you did not need a unanimous vote for death you
need majority vote for death yeah so very unique on the on the aggravating
circumstance when it comes to manner of death that they look at there's a concept called hack ha A C which stands
for heinous atrocious are cruel factors so again because it's the law
all these things get further defined so heinous literally means in this within the legal framework means extremely
Wicked or shockingly evil atrocious means outrageously Wicked and
vile and cruel means pitiless designed to inflict a high degree of pain or
utter indifference to or the enjoyment of the suffering of others so because of the manner of death
that happened to the Summers Tiffany case obviously qualified for hack aggravators because it was just an
insanely cruel way to kill somebody basically yeah Tiffany on appeal said
that the hack aggravators were incorrectly applied to her case because she didn't have actual knowledge of how
the team the the three other guys were going to kill the Summoners she didn't
she was like yeah I brought it I made all this happen because I brought them to the Summoners but I didn't know this
is what they're going to do the appell court agreed with Tiffany's argument because nobody could
prove she designed or had any hand in how the Summoners were killed but the court also concluded that if the hack
aggravators were struck it wouldn't change any it wouldn't make a difference she'd still like it wouldn't like
because apparently she I when read her um the uh appeals MO filed by her
lawyers and Tiffany had seven aggravators hack was only one of them so
the other aggravators that she had were having previously convicted being convicted of another Capital felony
because legally like one one die they didn't die at the same time because like
you can't prove any of that so like because one was after the other in sequential order she was already
convicted of a capital felony even though was the same murder right oh my God the Mur murders were committed in the course of a kidnapping which she did
get 15 years for so though she was convicted of that the capital felonies were committed in a cold calculated and
premeditated manner definitely that they were committed for financial gain definitely that they were committed to
avoid or prevent a lawful arrest because they the Assumption was we'll kill them and then nobody will know we did this
right right and the one I mentioned to you before the very top of this was the victims were particularly vulnerable
vulnerable due to Advanced age or dis AB ility so that's a big aggravator right
there it's like you took advantage of the weakest of society like you deserve the worst of society what are um what
are these pictures of them like in a limo drinking champagne was that after they St yeah was after this yeah yeah
such garbage humans like can you believe bu two people alive and you're like oh here I am in a limo drinking champagne
and like being part of myself [ __ ] you oh my God they're like holding cash in the SLO yeah she has she's holding cash
in her teeth and Michael's flashing a champagne it's like what you did to these people is just
[ __ ] yeah reprehensible wow you're so proud of
yourself I know look how proud of themselves they are yikes yikes God
anyways just looking at this guy's picture makes me so [ __ ] angry this is a terrible story this is
terrible there's a part of me that like maybe I'm so prejudiced towards the guy
and I hate him so much that it's clouding my judgment I mean would any girl get fooled by this guy that like
he's going to come with a plan like that like it's the it's like I feel like the whatever like he's just like a certain
type of guy in 2005 like that's not that's not it I think the the plan thing
is like yeah nobody you know is a mastermind criminal yeah you know what I
mean especially not this guy and you're not going to just stumble on them like you're going to recruit a team like Oceans 11 right like you have to go find
these people in Paris and Italy like done it before and they've never been caught before you're not gonna stumble
on you know this peer group in Jacksonville anyways no so long story
short so the the fact that the appellant court reasoned that look we'll strike
the hack but you already you have six other aggravators that on their own would never made a difference to your case like it would have you still would
be here so right we strike one of your aggravators so legally she won that
argument but they reaffirmed the sentence and the conviction so she's still on death row wow yeah yeah all
three of them Nixon's the only one who kind of got out of it because he was just a stupid kid and didn't just
listen to like he was already D the momentum was already in motion with or without him so that's why they kind of
um yeah I'm still looking at these pictures of the couple they're so sweet looking poor things they just like
normal people who trusted their neighbor because why wouldn't you and then this G that picture of her in that gr jumpsuit
with the with the um cornrow it like yeah she looks like weirdly Sinister in
that one yeah that one's a lot anyways that's my story taler it sucks it's awful
but yeah they only killed how wait so when how did they find them like obviously like it was really
easy but what was that like yeah they yeah they went to the hotel because they try to because they knew when they
called the police to say y'all are looking for us we're fine but it's like this guy calling you like he doesn't
sound yeah he doesn't sound like a 65y old man who's probably chain smoked his entire life like and then Carol is just
Tiffany on the phone like of course it just they're probably giggling to each other while they're doing this yeah yeah yeah oh totally they totally are they're
so proud of themselves like oh my God we're so smart I can't believe we're going to get away with this all this money that we
had a limo that's so dumb oh my God I just realized that Michael has a neck tattoo oh man and he's wearing a he's
wearing a ruby in Gold pinky ring why would you
look God that is really funny da advice by far is literally just look at this
guy and if the guy you're with gives you any of the same same Vibes like get away from them that's fair that's fair and
you're not dating a criminal Mastermind they're so hard to find masterminds are incredibly hard to find
like because they're criminal masterminds they don't need your help it's like when um what you tell children
when about strangers is you say like a grown-up will never need a child's help so if a grown-up comes to you and says
like how do I get here like be weary because grown-ups don't need help from children like that's how people kidnap
children it's the same thing criminal mastermind doesn't need your help yeah you know like they have their own
network it's not you they're not going to call you and ask you for things I feel like this this was like totally
unrelated but like there's this story of like this guy in Ireland who had convinced all these people that he was
like a big like spy and all these things and they did all these like weird things for him they just like believed him but
you're like he wouldn't be there like he wouldn't be in your small town that's not where criminal masterminds are yeah
you know part a part of me thinks that like if this didn't happen if Michael and Tiffany hadn't met Tiffany probably
wouldn't have gone this route but I think that Michael would have I think Michael was just like such a piece of
garbage that like he he be in jail right now anyways like no matter that self-confidence yeah guess this when
your confidence doesn't match your wit and intelligence you are [ __ ] yeah
that's just always how it's going to go and Michael I don't know also describes like Elon
Musk Elon Musk is a billion millionaire 100 times over he but he has a lot of
self-confidence and makes a lot of weird decisions how are you classifying this guy and Elon Musk in the same breath
like I don't know what would Elon Musk be like if he had in poor maybe this guy no Elon Musk is a genius this guy
probably doesn't even know how to tie his shoes like what would this guy be like if he was rich he couldn't get rich
cuz he's too stupid looking no nobody Rich because he because he's he he was rich from the beginning no it wasn't he
was he started up PayPal Mafia with Peter teal and all those guys no he waso he's the heir of an emerald mine in
Africa that's not how he got rich he got rich because he invented him and Peter
started off a lot yeah almost knew what a bank account
was he probably knew what a bank account was he probably knew that you shouldn't eat roadkill unlike this guy so that's
true yeah you you got me there it's a little bit of a different level but yeah
yikes yeah I know this guy sucks GL didn't do I GL didn't kill anybody else
I wonder what he's I'm going to I'm going to look up what this guy's been up to in he's so hard to find he's like impossible that is hilarious that's it's
a pretty great that part's pretty great yeah that your parents would name you Michael Jackson for [ __ ] sake yeah ah
[ __ ] this kid we don't want him anyways like you didn't know abouto when
he was born but still yeah he's going to grow up to have a chin strap a neck tattoo and a ruby
gold oh God rings so gross but also imagine what your life is like every time you go somewhere and they say
what's your name and you have to say Michael Jackson I don't know man my name was Farmar s Sange he had it easier than
me no uhuh having name Mel Jackson I think it's harder than far mar so s you think which is the number one baby name
in America I just looked it up farmer stoken Sandos number one baby name coming
to oh my God she's wearing a shirt that says diva in the back of this limousine that's also very 2005 I'm a little bit
of a 2005 apologist just because it wasn't great for no looked great you
were going out of your way to find reasons to defend these monsters I'm just trying to counteract
your uh stereotyping I'm saying everyone dressed terrible in 2005 so my my stereotyping
is a problem here is what you're saying yes I'm trying to be a little more PC on our
podcast okay I like we've been frowning so much for the past hour I have to like go do like
some ice on my face to get my face to look normal again I've just been so mad and sad hope I don't have nightmares
about being buried alive tonight it is the Ultimate Nightmare there's like literally nothing worse I can't think of
anything you could do someone worse than binding them and throwing them alive into a pit on the Georgia Florida border
that sounds exactly where people are buried alive like it is so bad okay that
that stereotype I laugh at because yes oh that's awful I'm so sad God I hate
this guy I got to stop this picture I'm okay um Taylor that's my story for the week and that's why like I mentioned uh
our drink of the day was drinking [ __ ] raw sewage water because that's what these humans were so H out of
champagne glasses and a limo that you rent that you rented idiots I just saw your text from last night about starting
later but I was already asleep oh it's fine it's fine um I thought it was going
to take a lot more for me to wake up this morning than I really did I've been up since like 7 AM my time oh good for
you good for you um cool well thank you fars thank you everyone who's listening
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place to leave a review um should we shout out ju oh his app yeah yeah oh
yeah that's nice of you um my husband Juan just made an app for mental models he's super into like thinking about
better ways to to think and ways to he's been having a newsletter that go that
goes out weekly that has mental models in it to help you kind of um become a better thinker and now he has an app it's called mental models it has like
thousands of mental models in it you can search around and see like what will help me with my like psychology what will help me with decision making um you
can save your favorites it has dark mode it's super cool he made it himself he also yep it's called bental models by
Juan Carlos Pino no because he had another name on
there and I was like where did this where did this like fourth name come from I never seen the scasa it's a it's a thing in in Puerto Rico that you can
take your mom's last name so escasa is his mom's last name so his full last name is Juan Carlos Pino escasa just
like my kids could choose to be like Pinero steric leater got it got it okay
yeah I so look it up uh it's a great app I downloaded it it and if you're even remotely interested
in how to think more effectively and efficiently and you have like a particular drive towards that then this
is I've learned so much just like going through it so oh that's awesome 101 recommend so awesome yeah cool thanks
yeah absolutely uh well thank you Taylor have a great rest of your Saturday and thanks everyone for