Andrea Yates murdered her five children and this week Farz tells us that awful story. Before the murders, it’s actually a story of mental health, religion, and a question of what do people really want in their lives. Taylor tells the unredeemable story of The Mutiny on the Bounty. There is colonization, enslavement, lots of sex crimes, and one official mutiny. We’ll just tell you now there’s also a guy named Thursday, October, which Taylor LOVES and Farz hates. Plus, one bonus true crime story involving Marlon Brando, who we all agree is dumb handsome. Follow us on Instagram & Facebook @ Twitter! @doomedtofailpod
Andrea Yates murdered her five children, and this week Farz tells us that awful story. Before the murders, it’s actually a story of mental health, religion, and a question of what do people really want in their lives.
Taylor tells the unredeemable story of The Mutiny on the Bounty. There is colonization, enslavement, lots of sex crimes, and one official mutiny. We’ll just tell you now there’s also a guy named Thursday October, which Taylor LOVES and Farz hates. Plus, one bonus true crime story involving Marlon Brando, who we all agree is dumb handsome.
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Mutiny on the Bounty by William Bligh
The real story behind the infamous mutiny on the H.M.S. Bounty
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Andrea Yates via Oprah.com & Time
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I guess we can go ahead and kick things off are you good Taylor I'm good ready
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welcome to Doom to fail the podcast where we I don't know just travel
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what are you even talking about we don't travel we travel but not for the podcast we'd like to someday
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yes if a local library has like a spare
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conference room no okay so no worthy podcast where
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we're constantly traveling as individuals you were in San Diego I was in Denver we're probably the most jet setting
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podcast of any podcast hosts in the world right we are I know absolutely
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absolutely then you'll be in Palm Springs and then I have to go to LA right after that so jet Setters jet
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Setters breaking down barriers absolutely so obviously this voice being heard is
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Taylor um our co-host uh how are you doing today Taylor very uh we just got back from San Diego
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and then or last night and then supposed to come home from a vacation like on Saturday so you have like Sunday
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to calm down you know so today we're just been like cleaning up we went to a birthday party it's very springy out
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here it's beautiful finally we my neighbor came over I didn't see her she kind of she just
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snuck by but left us a big beautiful like bouquet of lilacs um that I brought in the house and it smells amazing but I
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feel like I might die of allergies any day I know it's really nice is that pretty I
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don't even know my neighbors I like barely I barely have neighbors and I could do a much better job so I
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need to go down hurt and say thank you and all that yeah uh so let's go ahead and segue into our
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stories and if I am correct on this I go first this time you do thank you so I'll
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tell you what I'm drinking yes I'm drinking this Pacifico IRL um but I am drinking rum by the teaspoon
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okay which is the only way I drink rum yeah that's how you do it when your tea Total
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Works two teaspoon at a time yeah well that's why you never get drunk that's why we call you sober Taylor
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everybody calls me that everybody calls you that weird yeah so I I should be
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drinking course like I said I just got back from Denver and we talked about Coors and the episode where we discussed
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Chris Watts and now I'm drinking real Coors which is Coors Banquet which is the tan colored can and they're great
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they're really good are they okay I'm gonna ask if it was delicious or not but I think it's a Nostalgia of it it's like
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I kind of miss being in Colorado and like it's kind of cool to like yeah have to say slow Rockies but what I asked
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Colorado like last week like yesterday right it has a place in my heart oh my God
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right continue I adopt the personality of any place I go um but so realistically for today's
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drink I chose Lone Star I even with Lone Star no what is that
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so it's a Texas specific beer but it's probably the shittiest one it's what you
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get when you can't afford shiner
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is still considered a good beer it was when I was in high school or college high school I'm in college
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um whatever but it's basically it's got It's kind of like a Coors Light like it's just like a kind of like a
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run-of-the-mill it's not as bad as Keystone but it's not as good as you know this banquet version of course
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that banquet course yeah exactly and the reason we're doing that is because we're going to be in Texas
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which is where you need to be when you drink Lone Star makes sense and the reason we're in Texas is because we're
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going to be discussing an angel of a woman oh a lady Andrea Yates oh oh yeah see I set
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you up I say you're for failure she's not an angel I have conflicting opinions about Andrea
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Yates and um we'll be discussing it at length here all right let me know per
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usual Taylor I'm going to try not to make excuses for people who do messed up
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things but this story intertwines two things that for me obviously makes sense
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devout religiosity mixed with mental illness equals
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yeah how familiar are you with Andrea Yates I can't remember the details but I
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know that she she killed a bunch of kids her kids she drives in the bathtub she's a bathtub drowner she's the bathtub one
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oh and the oldest one was like I'll be good please don't do it it was funny it's like I yeah you're
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right but and I always mix this one up with the one who like buckled her kids in the seat of the bad
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car and then said like a bunch yeah yeah an Ethel yeah
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sure I shouldn't talk more about that because maybe that'll be the next one I do so yeah you you know that that's Android
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reacts and that's what everybody knows about her she drowned her kids in the bathtub and I went pretty deep down the
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rabbit hole trying to figure out like what was going on with this woman and how this all came about and I literally just hit on devout religiosity and
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mental illness later on I'm going to describe why I'm Prejudiced and I came up with that because Andrea Yates has a
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unique distinction where any pet issue you have you can attach to it it's spousal abuse it's loneliness it's a
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women's place in the society today it's mental it's like every everybody can attach an issue to it and mine are
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religiosity and mental illness so on one episode of the last podcast on
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the left um you might remember Henry said something that I'm gonna paraphrase and probably semi-butcher here he said
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something effective religion turns dumb naive people into dumb violent people yeah you remember that one no but I get
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it but I agree agree to agree and that's and that's kind of like what I kept thinking about as I was reading this and
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um you know what Taylor just look up the Yates family okay I don't want to I'm
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sad I know the kids made me sad to look at but Andrea and the husband his name's Rusty we're gonna get into our
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it's interesting when I look at them because they just look so average
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yeah painfully average absolutely
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I have like no does I mean I guess I should like I know a lot of people like my
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brother-in-law and his wife they always get like family portraits done like nice ones and we just like never done that I
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just like that'd be weird if I like dress up in liquid series way too cool you're way too [ __ ] cool for that that's like what Lane people do look at
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the picture Andrea Yates and Rusty and tell me that you belong in a similar photo lineup as they do no I don't
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little beautiful boys yeah Okay so
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in the case of Android Yates I think it took a repressed and depressed person and turned her into a violent and numb
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person that's what I get when I look at those pictures of Andy Yates is like there's just nothing there like she's
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smiling sure but like in the eyes which I know you don't agree I just don't see
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a lot of life behind those eyes like there's something like the guy the guys
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he's loving it like he's he's scored like he's he's doing great I don't see
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that in your eyes though is she like if she doesn't have a job right she's like she's at home yeah yeah
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so some people like that but yeah also it can be very lonely and horrible yeah
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I'm actually gonna lean on you a lot for this one Taylor because I don't know what it's like to be a mother or a woman which I guess we're kind of synonymous
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with one another or whatever it's hard yeah I should have said woman and then mother whatever it doesn't matter and it
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also be like our age range because I It's gotta be
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kind of in her case awful I know that there's a lot of Happy Mothers out there but they also didn't have five children
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with the goal of having a lot more than that it's like at 36. so it's too many children
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um no I mean I it's different for everybody it's not I don't think it's not super easy for anybody you know but
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you just like have to figure it out like I have a great husband so we should we split everything you know but other people don't and like that could make it
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a lot harder um I also like I don't know if I told you this but someone that I'm connected to on LinkedIn like started a group for
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like dads it's like it's hard to be a dad and have a career and I was like this is [ __ ] cultural appropriation
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like go [ __ ] yourself it is not hard for a dad to have a career you know like when you have kids like women's value
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goes in the workplace like they get paid less you know like if you tell people you have kids get paid less a dad gets
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paid more because they assume that he can like work harder and we'll have more time so like the more kids you have the
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less you get paid if you're looking for a new job because the assumption is that you're not gonna have time to do it like that still exists in the workplace today
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I mean yeah that's not this is not surprise me it all sounds like it's
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like it sounds like it's been since time immemorial has been the case it's hard it's hard but it's also
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wonderful um I don't know my kids are a [ __ ] Delight so no I wanna I want you to talk
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about this when we get I'll explain why I think the way I do about her being a mother and why it all came out in the
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way that it did but my main takeaway from this like I just mentioned was like repressed and depressed that is exactly
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what I see when I see her pictures so yeah let's get into her background a
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little bit so Andrea is from Houston Texas originally her father did so many things that intertwine from other
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stories here her father was first generation American his parents were Irish immigrants Andrea's mom is
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actually from Germany so I bring that up because immigrant parents tend to put a
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lot on their kids with their expectations and based on how Andrea turned down in high school I think it's safe to assume that they were kind of
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traditional immigrant parents like they just like helicopter parents essentially yeah she was valedictorian of her class
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captain of her swim team she was a leader in some way shape or form in the
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National Honors citator school it was just generally seen as an all-around great student kid student athlete
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classmate you name it I would I would say that she's the girl that if
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you met her in high school you say oh she's she's gonna go places like she's she's gonna be someone you know
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[Music] so we all know that overachieving so we
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all know that overachieving high school students are all kind of like harboring their inner demons like there's something going on when you care so much
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about your studies I think I don't know maybe I'm prejudiced about this like I graduated with a 2.1 GPA from high
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school like I was I was like pretty close to like I think it was like me and this kid like would
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start fires like the last two people they graduated in our class so like I'm not of the elk that like understands why
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someone would be a high achiever in high school I mean I wasn't I wasn't sporty
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obviously but um I was you know the Secretary of student council I was
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on the National Honor of society I was uh junior un right you did Junior un I
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didn't I wish I did though we didn't have that I wish I had um and then I had a extremely high grade
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point average seriously yeah like what was your GPA I don't know like
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3.9 or something were you like top of your class like valedictorian no I think
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I was like 12. out of like 400 or something children I'm very smart farmers
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I think so I may be making that up but I'm not gonna say that for the record because no one's ever gonna be able to fact check that I'm pretty sure I was so
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smart though that's so smart because you could be lying and literally nobody will ever know they'll be like Taylor's a
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genius because it also proves how smart I am so no matter what path we take so I
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know that in any episode that we start talking about stuff you're gonna start yelling at me about things and now I know that this is the thing you're gonna yell at me about okay so okay well I'm
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saying I'm saying that like I I'm fine but it also like when when we do our homework with the kids like Juan has to
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do it because Florence and I both get so stressed out and she starts to cry because I remember being eight and crying over my homework because it
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wasn't perfect you know like it was such different children we were like
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vastly different but this so this is the part where you're gonna start being upset at me okay Andrea went on from
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high school to become an RN and look I love nurses Taylor you know I
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love nurses Like You Met My Exes before and there's no shade to nurses at all but why the [ __ ] would you work so hard
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in high school to become an RN like it's a hard job but it's only being becoming a neurosurgeon like why would you work
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that hard like golf can hang out with the kids so the girl I'm dating now I hope she's not here but the girl I'm
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dating now like she's an RN and like the story she tells me of her high school days like she was like jumping fences running away from Cops like that's what
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she did it's just it's not like it's not like my high school grades mattered in my life
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you know but if you're the type of person that thinks that they matter because people tell you they matter like I was I just like worked really hard I
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would have been like super disappointed if I hadn't you know it wasn't like
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to an end interesting for the sake of learning and
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knowledge okay so I do have a rant that I'm not going to do around how to raise children because I feel imminently
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qualified to discuss this topic um that could be a side a side show but
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I do think there's something to rule followers versus rule Breakers and how that manifests in adulthood that I also
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like when we were 15 we told this dude we met who was a college dude that we were 16 and I used to say that in his
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house like every weekend and we just drink with college guys
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no no I I totally believe that you were cool I mean you're so cool that's what
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we're gonna have for dinner on Thursday Palm Springs oh Lord okay okay so I'm gonna keep going please do I'm sorry no
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no this is great you asked for banter we're doing banter so in 1989 Andrea met
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a guy named Russell Yates who went by Rusty and like he could have been that old but
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like a rusty needs to be like an old grizzled yeah that right whatever doesn't matter
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Rusty was a NASA engineer he was on the engineering computer side of things um and he was fairly accomplished uh his
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biggest downfall is that he is or was an Evangelical Christian
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so out of all the versions of Christianity that I looked down on evangelicalism is pretty much at the
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very top of that list and what's interesting about this is that most of Americans agree with me so
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I read this article that included a poll in a publication called Christianity Today
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the incredibly awesome and Sassy title of this article is quote evangelicals are the most
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beloved U.S Faith groups among evangelicals
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at first I'm not going to read this article and I read the title I was like oh I gotta go through this this is fantastic
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across the board um of evangelicals in this poll are the worst Faith group in
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the U.S and the only reason why this article speculates the percentage isn't
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higher of people who hate Evangelical Christian or the faith not the people is
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because a quarter of the Christians now in the United States identify as Evangelical so that excuse the results
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because they're not doing double blinds it's weird because I wrote down here because like I think like Catholics and
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I actually like kind of love Catholicism because of how dark and morbid it is like there's like it's just vastly
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different than I don't know like it it'd be fun if it wasn't for all the kid raping you know
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I'm not gonna disagree with you but I understand I do like the I like
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the ceremony of the pump the drinking of the blood yeah yeah it's like it's like really kind of cool yeah yeah like and
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Jesus is ripped right like he's jacked and ripped and it's like none of that makes any sense but it's so cool okay
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like by contrast Evangelical to me like it is I know this is another thing you're
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describe me about so I look at Evangelical Christians the same way I look at like woke progressives and that
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their belief system doesn't actually seem to be rooted in like at like reality so much is rooted in performance
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art that's truly how I feel about what progressives as I do with like these folks most of the beliefs in Evangelical
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Christianity are why Republicans today are the way that they are I mean they are I don't so I should have
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done my research on this I didn't there was an amazing podcast it had to
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have been Freakonomics or This American Life but they did this
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amazing podcast on evangelicals is a voting block and how
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that was literally the thing that saved the Republican party when Reagan was coming up it is a massive component of
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why conservatives are the way that they currently are being rooted in in the face structure
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it's also rooted in the infallibility of the Bible and and also it's a very U.S
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Centric religion as well so I thought about Manifest Destiny and how like we're the best we're Americans
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that type of thing long story short is like Rusty was Evangelical
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which is horrible because they are [ __ ] and their belief system is a joke yeah and most Americans who are not
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evangelicals agree with me on that sentiment as for Shandy today cited in their hilariously titled article that's
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funny that's Christianity today it's like [ __ ] those guys yeah so so so part of it is because
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actual Christians actually people of Faith don't think that religion and
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politics are one they you shouldn't politicize your religion and turn it
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into into what evangelicals did they made a mockery in some ways of all these other Christian beliefs so anyways
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totally moving on so going back to Andrea and Rusty one thing uh I read when after
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they were married because they you'll you'll learn later on that they've been through a ton of psychological discussions with therapists and stuff
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like real therapists are like the race no real therapists yeah
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so one thing that came over and over again was them sitting together and saying that they really truly believe
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that they need to have as many babies as possible like that is like what God wants for them they're supposed to do
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this that's a big piece of this and and all strikes me as Rusty's it
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doesn't strike me as Andreas it strikes me as Rusty's belief system so he did a good job so they ultimately
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had five children there was Noah who's seven John five Paul was three Luke was
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two and Mary was six months old that is [ __ ] bananas so like this week we were at Legoland I didn't go I had to
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work from the hotel but my my father-in-law went with Juan and our kids and they met up with a family that
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we know so it was five kids my father-in-law was like get me the [ __ ] out of here this is yeah
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like and I'm from a family of five it's too many kids yeah yeah especially that many under
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seven that's crazy like that's like I mean like it's I know people do it and they do it but that just seems near
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impossible they're at most two years away from each other but yeah there's also two that are less than a year from
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each other you just have to oh it just sounds it sounds almost impossible to me
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in this again like this is the part where like your take on this is gonna become really really Nifty and handy is
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I don't know what it's like to go through this but um I think that the pregnancies and everybody agrees that the pregnancies
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had a lot to do with what ended up happening so it's worth noting that signs of Andrea being depressed were
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kind of a constant theme so it started out in high school after everything happened with Andrea happened friends came out saying that they remember her
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talking about suicide after Luke was born so Luke the two-year-old Andrea
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tried to commit suicide by overdosing on prescription pills yeah it should be hospitalized for this and put on
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anti-depressants yeah the suicidal ideations would keep coming on them
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she'd eventually be put on a cocktail of medications which did seem to stabilize her to some extent but the problem was
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they kept getting pregnant and she couldn't be on meds when she was pregnant because it would come out in
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the milk or something I don't I don't know exactly how this works but you have to be careful with what you you know
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obviously when you're pregnant you're like you have a baby in there so you shouldn't like binge drink you know you can have like a glass of wine every once
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in a while that's not gonna kill the baby and after you have the baby like you can have a glass of wine and that's not gonna help maybe in the milk either
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but um I have been taking Zoloft for like 12 years and they said like it's okay to to
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keep it to use it when you're pregnant and I tried to get off of it when I was considering getting pregnant for the
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first time and I like I was like no like [ __ ] this I'm being I'm depressed like it was too much I need to be on it so I
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just stayed on it both through both bad pregnancies so there are safe things that you can be on they might they might
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look they might have had different opinions on that 15 years it was 80s yeah totally like
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the 90s or whatever yeah so no this was 2001 so I mean it was still a long time
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ago but like you know how people perceive medication for pregnant mothers changes I'm sure oh yeah totally
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so I will say this um this is very counter to my normal personality type
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normally I would be talking [ __ ] on Rusty constantly you saw this picture super generic dude Evangelical Christian
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I don't really want to do that because I don't know subjectively what he was
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experiencing as part of this like I think that he looked at things as like my wife's crazy pumper full of meds
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hopefully that'll work and but then I look at it I'm like what it
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what else do you do like I mean back then how does a husband treat their
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wife in this situation you know like I don't know yeah I look at within the conscious of the time that we're in I'm like today obviously you have access to
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people you could talk to people and like research things like oh I need to do this with my wife you should do that like back then it's like yeah yeah
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nothing like you he's just like a generic dude like I'm working every day my wife is nuts I'm just gonna pump her
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full of meds and that's basically it and he seems to be like advocating for mental health
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it is and he did back then but not but in like a like a weird
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traditional 35 year old husband in the early 2000s kind of way like it was just
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like not like he wasn't like in empath by nature and and a lot of this I look
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at this and like dude like you turn this woman into like a baby Factory because of your religious beliefs yeah it just
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it takes it takes it's like so many women are depressed after they have one a baby you know anything that
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most of their hormones like that you know being on birth control in general like all those things like they make you can make you crazy so so that's the
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trailer that Taylor is actually that only affects one in ten women that's postpartum what she had is called
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postpartum psychosis which affects a very very very small subset of women and
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Rusty was just ill-equipped to understand like yeah my wife's crazy it's like no no no dude like she's like
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she's like dangerous like it's not just crazy she's like dangerous at this point my thing was all like dude stop like
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being this guy and just hire a babysitter for a week take your wife to Hawaii like let her experience a
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different lifestyle different like can you imagine this chili this is the part where I don't understand where like
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wake up every day every day is the same there's five screaming babies I gotta nurse three or four of them constantly
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like how horrible is that is that a good life I don't know there's no there's people who love it I think legitimately
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my mom did it well we were like 12 years stretched out for 12 years but she stayed home with us and she loved it
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um so you know a lot of people that's that's what they want that's their dream it's not for me like I have no desire to homeschool I have no desire to stay home
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with them um I really like them but like I think they should be out I think we should be separate during the day you know but um but I think that people who
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genuinely do like it and that's like why I thought about like Andrea's in her childhood of like I did
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all the right things I made the best grades I did this and then I might I married a man who has a great job and
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he's going to take care of us and he wants me to make kids so I'm gonna make it it's like you did everything everybody else wanted her to do and then
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like she wakes up and like this is her life like how [ __ ] sad would that I mean I'm making
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excuses for it again but whatever it is what it is yeah so this crime what we're talking about here happened 22 years ago
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so she was 36 years old you're 36. you got five kids that's your and and
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coincidentally there was plans to have more both before and after the murders
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I'll get to that in a minute I know I know I'll get that in a minute it's absolutely insane so in mid 1999 Andrea
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had more mental breakdowns more suicide attempts I have I've heard I have heard that
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doctors and researchers don't know why certain antidepressants work and why others don't
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you know the brain chemistry is a complicated thing they put it on some complicated mix of cocktails it's going
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to work but occasionally it would stop working they would change your cocktails and put it on something new it seems to be a consistent thing with like mental
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illness and all that stuff that's uh that's what you get with a 2.1 GPA when
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you're describing Neuroscience um it's just complicated [ __ ] it is so
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she had another suicide attempt in mid 1999 Rusty apparently walked in on her trying
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to slice open her wrists oh Jesus yeah she was again hospitalized and while being treated for this attempt Andrea is
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quoted as saying like Taylor this stuff is so scared of me because like it's
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like you're hearing someone's like demons come to the force yeah it's so [ __ ] scary and then you look at the
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pictures I'm smiling it's like I'm gonna talk more about that when it compared to a movie that you know and then we both love she she was quoted as saying during
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that while being hospitalized here I had a fear I would hurt somebody I thought it better to end my own life and prevent
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it from happening there was a voice then an image of a knife I had a vision in my mind get a knife get a knife
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oh my God oh God oh my gosh so yeah so like I said earlier um Andrea
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was diagnosed with a much much more severe version of postpartum depression called postpartum psychosis I wish I
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remember the numbers on this one in ten women get postpartum depression
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it was something crazy it was like one in like 10 000 or a hundred thousand get postpartum psychos it's like a very
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exceptionally rare diagnosis it's also referred to as PPP and the
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symptoms include delusions hallucinations disorganized speech abnormal motor functions confusion
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they called it severe difficulty sleeping mood swing in a hole is about it almost sounds like it's schizophrenic
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like it sounds like you're going through and we'll learn later that she was actually having auditory and
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hallucinatory um Visions going on at the same time yeah none of those things
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it's someone who should be around children yeah but it's a bit interesting that they had her hospitalized but then she
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went back I guess you had I mean what are you gonna do well so here's so I actually
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didn't write this in the outline but it was an interesting point that I probably should have which is like towards the end when things really hit a crescendo
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because you're gonna see she's been hospitalized many many times one of those times
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the doctors tried to involuntarily commit her they're like she's dangerous
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like you need to like we got to do this yeah the husband was really adamant saying no we'll commit her but it has to
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be voluntary I want we want to have control over it and when it ends all that stuff and so they're like fine black we asked as long as you're gonna
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do it he did it the problem was if you do it in a involuntary commitment
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there's no insurance limit on the maximum number of days that you can stay but if you do a voluntary commitment the
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insurance limit in Texas at a time for Blue Cross Blue Shield was 10 days
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so they got 10 days of insurance coverage on the 10th day Rusty's like we're not paying out of pocket for this
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[ __ ] and they checked her out wow didn't mean she was good didn't mean she
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was well he was like what am I gonna do am I going to spend seven thousand dollars a day here no we gotta check you out
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great good job America you're kidding right yeah so uh her psychiatrist during
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this time uh told Rusty to not have any more children so yeah she went to a
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psychiatrist and this is severe diagnosis like this is not a joke
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the psychiatrists like guys you'll really really need to not have any more kids every time she has a kid you are
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only going to exacerbate the PPP seven weeks later
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she conceived this the fifth child Mary yeah
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get away from her I wrote down here like this makes Rusty sound awful but when she was hospitalized it's also
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worth noting that like nurses talked a lot about how diligent and supportive was he apparently went to work with like
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binders of her medical medical diagnoses with him so he can like research things
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on the side he was always by her side whenever he wasn't at work and when it regularly raise a fuss if she wasn't
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getting what he thought was adequate care so she definitely wasn't well equipped to
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understand the dramatic ramifications with this but he tried so how could you imagine
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yeah like the the stories these are stories that you Stephen King makes up
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like you can't imagine this happening to your own life right so anyways going back to Mary so she gave birth to Mary
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in November of 2020 and in March of 2021 shortly thereafter Andrea's father died
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after an incredibly long stim with um Alzheimer's I was apparently very debilitating
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not 20 20. I wrote 2020 I meant to write 2 000 in
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2000 2000 okay great I was like that it feels like it feels longer ago yes
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definitely so yeah March 20. I was gonna say it again March of 2001 is when
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Andrea's father died and that seemed to be a jumping off point for this at that time she stopped taking
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her medication she started regularly cutting herself she stopped taking care of the kids or herself yeah where she
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had to be hospitalized again I keep picturing like what was this house like
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if you're Rusty who presumably is normal what is his house like yeah horrifying
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like it sounds like a vision from a nightmare there's a there's I'll never find the
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skin and you know what I'm probably gonna go post on Reddit to figure out what this was there was a video I watched like forever ago where it was
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like it was a show or a TV show or a movie it was a clip of some sort but
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there's a man in this like room watching TV and ignoring his wife and the wife
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keeps trying to get him to her to pay him to pay attention to her he doesn't so she goes in the bathroom and breaks
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the glass window or the mirror and then starts cutting her face with the shards of glass and goes out and says we pay
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attention to me now like do you know what I'm talking about oh no I need to
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figure I need to find this because I saw it forever ago and it's been extra my memories I probably saw like 25 years ago and I still can remember this to
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this oh totally that's a horrifying scene oh my God yeah it was it was but like I I kept picturing it when I was
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doing research for this so anyways she so again Mary's born father
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dies she goes back into like this state that she's in afternoon hospitalized got released
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again in a month after that release experienced another episode where she became catatonic like she's starting to
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she's starting to almost come across like she's possessed she later would tell police that on this
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day she filled the bathtub with water he just stood there staring at it
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we just stood there staring not saying anything probably not even blinking and
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she did also mention later on that she thought that what she was thinking about while she was staying there was killing
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her kids that day Rusty came in founder doing this she got
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hospitalized again and then you know she goes over to um to the psychiatrist Ward
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by this time it was pretty clear that Andrea was for sure suicidal and for
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sure incapable of caring for herself for the kids Rusty was actually told by her doctors to never leave her alone and
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definitely never leave her alone with the kids oh my God most of the time Rusty didn't most of
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the time he did it his theory on it after a while was like well look she's a grown woman eventually she's gonna have
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to be alone maybe I can like kind of wean her on to being alone with like right that makes sense I mean
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who knows and he would do this in like very controlled it was like a controlled experiment again like I'm giving him
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credit for this I don't know if I should but I am on June 20th of 2001 for one
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hour he left her alone Rusty went to work and Rusty's mom Dora was supposed
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to come over an hour after so I don't even know if it was like four scheduled like that or anything I think that Rusty
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planned it because he was like yeah give her one hour alone and then you show up Mom and then take care of things right
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right let her try it for an hour exactly exactly it's like I don't know I I don't
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know how much to blame him for that but I can say but during that hour
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she filled the bats up up again and then systematically drowned all five of her
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children oh my God she started with eldest so she started with uh the not the eldest of
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two one under that it was Luke who went first then Paul then John she would then take their bodies and put
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them in her bed wrap them up in the sheets she drowned Mary the six month old left the
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body in the bathtub and just kind of sat there with it and then Noah comes in the oldest boy who's seven and sees it and
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asks what's wrong with Mary he apparently understood enough I don't know how attuned seven-year-olds are to
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things but he understood enough to like know that oh something's really wrong and try to run away from his mom which is like a crazy thought like I would
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never run like oh my God
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she eventually grabbed him and then drowned Noah as well she then called the
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police and really didn't specify what was wrong she would say I'm Andrea Yates you know
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I need the police she said was like she basically she just said it's time like it was it's all very
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biblical and cryptic sounding you know like it was just yeah what does it mean she then called Rusty and said quote
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you'd better come home to which Ruster applied quote is anyone heard
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Andrea responded quote yes the children all of them oh my God
36:32
are we down here Taylor like the movie I was referencing earlier was Event Horizon and the reason I thought of Event Horizon was because there's this
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scene where the the guy our favorite character Samuel Samuel what's his name Samuel Samuel yeah
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yeah well whatever his character name was he um he just like once his eyes
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were removed that he became fully possessed like he just like talked in a deadpan voice you're coming with us
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forever it's just like yeah see that in this woman it's [ __ ] real and it's
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like in the 2000s so everything everything was covered in carpet in beige it's just all Just Roses it's so
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terrifying yeah yeah it did to me I wrote down it just felt like her soul was completely gone
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like I don't know why the direction of her mind went it went the way it did but it whatever so Andrea confessed the
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murders obviously she's insane right she claimed insanity and that was actually rejected so silly the way it works is
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that insanity is a defense it sounds like a different trial like you just say this person wasn't saying that's how you
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do it most of the time Insanity defenses don't work because the way that you prove insanity is you have to prove that
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that person couldn't tell right from wrong at the time of the crime due to mental defects that's the legal
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definition of it there's a ton of cases out there where somebody does something absolutely horrible and then tries to
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cover it up and the fact that they try to cover it up validates that they were not insane because if you're trying to
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cover it up then you know they did something wrong so if you ever kill someone just
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walk around with their skin draped around you like your normal like go to the coffee shop and then like you will
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get off because it's like obviously nobody would do that it was I'm not gonna get off but you're gonna go to a mental institution right I will
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discuss that as well because there's actually no timelines on mental about on um involuntary commitments which is very
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interesting the jury found uh so the mental defense failed they found her guilty and they
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sentenced her her to life imprisonment the prosecution wanted the death penalty they were like no this woman is gonna
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get life three years later so she's on in a maximum security jail three years later
38:42
an appellate court reversity conviction this is insane they're reverse the conviction because they found that a prosecution's expert
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witness lied on the stand the guy's name was Dr Park Dietz he had
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testified that weeks before the murder a Law and Order episode aired of a woman who drowned her kids in a tub and then
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claimed Insanity defense to get off there's I so there's um this woman I'm
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gonna reference a little bit later on she wrote phenomenal articles about the case the
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murders her life like she her articles are mostly what I referenced for this she wrote a book about it as well and
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I'm gonna I'm gonna quote her here later on she was also the uh a writer for Law and Order during
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this time when this happened and she came out saying no I'm actually I'm a
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journalist now who is covering the Andrea Yates trial you referenced this
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time period of Law and Order that I was working as a right around we never did that episode huh but he was just totally making [ __ ]
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up weird yeah and so because of that the Appellate Court was like no like that
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testimony could have been enough to have swayed the jury into thinking that she was literally just trying to fake being insane so we're gonna reverse the
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conviction she was retried she was found not guilty by reason of insanity and then like I
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mentioned before like this is an interesting part of the insanity defense you don't actually get time for being
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insane you're just held until you were evaluated to be determined to be sane
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again so right that could be a month a year never it's
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totally yeah and so that's where she ends up she ends up in a mental facility facility in
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Texas it's a minimum security facility and every year she gets to come up for
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review to see if she's healthy mentally enough to be released in every single year
40:39
since this would have been 2005 she's refused to go undergo her review
40:44
she doesn't want to do it yeah apparently she's happy
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she can do it get a job like apparently so as far as I
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understood it like she's just like numbed right like she's
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just on medication completely zonked out and it's just like just sits there and
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like it's like um it's like the the chief and one clue One Flew Over the Cougars Nest there's another answer
41:12
repeated this which is like the blame commode a bit like I said I talked a little bit about Rusty but everybody kind of blamed everybody else so
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the doctors blame Rusty because they're like we told you don't leave her alone we told you to involuntarily commit her
41:26
like but I will say this the doctors never actually said that they thought that she was a danger to the kids so
41:32
they had an option to choose the these like multiple check boxes is this a person a danger to herself is she a
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danger to her kids is she like so on and so forth and they didn't check the danger to the kids part and so
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they could have escalated this outside of Rusty's control if they had done that
41:50
and they just didn't because I guess they didn't think it was that serious most people though blame
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Rusty almost all of them they blame his desire for kids how quickly wanted to have them how
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quickly and successful he wanted to have them the religiosity of everything that was involved gave this like the dark component to this most people most
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reports come out and say that if it wasn't for the kids this well obviously this wouldn't have
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happened well yeah I mean obviously yeah but but like my point being like if it was like you're a nuclear family you
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have two kids yeah probably not gonna happen right on the
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on the religiosity so also the other part of this the media also blamed religion
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everybody blamed everybody it's worth noting that Andrea noted that she didn't
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think that she was a good mother and then part of what they think was like in her head of this was like my kids are going to be like Wicked Sinners and
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they're not their Immortal Souls won't go to heaven if they grow up because they're going to be terrible because I'm a terrible person I'm a terrible mother
42:53
killing them will save them from Damnation that's another piece of this damn there
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was a really really important piece of this that I forgot to put in here what I didn't put in here that was really
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really interesting and this was part of the article I read in the woman's name the one the one that I mentioned earlier
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her name is Susan O'Malley she wrote that Rusty thought
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Andrea's gonna get off he was at the trial every day he thought Andrew was gonna get off and
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was already starting to plan having more kids with her
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which is what we're gonna go home and be fine but yeah I don't get it that's really
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weird yeah it's um did he get remarried he did so
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he filed for divorce once she um came out of that Maximum Security Prison
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uh and went into the psych board he filed for divorce and was granted that divorce a little bit in 2005. he remarried a woman or he married a woman
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named Laura Arnold and then she filed for divorcement in 2015. they have one kid together so
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he he stopped six kids
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he had six kids in total that's nuts wow so uh like I said um
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I'll show this woman out because I actually think that her work was like incredible it was an incredibly easy reading it was incredibly thorough it
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was awesome so the article that she wrote is called um a cry in the dark her name is Susan O'Malley
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and one thing that she points out about this case which is I think one of the reasons why it's so persistent in terms of like being top of
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mind for people she wrote down that each of us sees in the Yates case our own issues the death penalty children's
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rights women's rights men's rights rights the mentally ill religious rights or just plain righteousness and that's
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like a really really good point because like a lot I hate to say like a lot of people kill their kids it's not like that
44:52
rare of An Occurrence like it happens but this one was really really unique because it a the number of children was
44:59
crazy and then there's so many other things were going on there
45:05
so much just emptiness and sadness and like just I don't know
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um yeah and it's still persist and I think it's gonna be one of those cases that we like think about forever like it's just
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totally like it's just like it brings up just such a terrible feeling you know like
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I just I always think of that poor last kid who was like he was old enough to know what was going
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on and like I saw his sister dead in the tub and like ran away you know poor baby
45:34
that's so scary so they probably I mean their life is probably so scary anyway
45:40
yeah yeah it had to be had to be awful like I so on the on the on the point of the podcast like the whole red flag part
45:47
of it again because of how Susan O'Malley references this later on like I don't actually know what to hone in on
45:53
other than live your Live Your Truth like I know that sounds really hokey especially
45:58
coming from a guy like me but like like if you don't want to be the valedictorian and you don't want to have
46:04
like the perfect life with the perfect white bread husband who works at Nasa and like you said you want to run away with like a in Harley-Davidson riding
46:12
guy to Vegas and get a bunch of like playing tattoos like do that like don't live a life that you don't want to live because
46:18
you'll resent it and it's okay to change your mind like it's okay like to maybe
46:23
she like you know doesn't feel bad as bad as she did it as you do against smart people in high school but like
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maybe she just like maybe she'll learn to do that and at some point things were super out of her control
46:36
bad because of her diseases no well so okay so this is a rant that I
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didn't do earlier that I'll do now is like if you if you don't have the muscle
46:49
in you that is like I'm gonna do what I want and [ __ ] what everybody else wants me to do I'm gonna Rebel if you just don't have that muscle
46:56
in you you can't expect someone to like pick that up and learn it at some point right that's why like I'm gonna be the
47:03
you know I gotta be the best I can be the volunteering I gotta do this it's like you just don't you just didn't have it she shouldn't have that muscle in her
47:10
of like I'm just gonna do what I want to do instead and
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depression and that stuff is like you you have in your head you're like I'm
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supposed to want this why do I feel this way you know I mean you feel like a failure
47:28
maybe that my take away from it is like yeah just like what does she say about it does she say anything Andrea yeah
47:36
no dude I'm pretty sure she just stares at a corner of a wall forever until she dies no like my take
47:44
on it was more like be cool with your kids like rebelling and like like that's healthy
47:50
it should be a good thing and like they're more likely you know be like are you okay yeah yeah like you know listen
47:58
I'm gonna write a child I'm gonna not a child but I'm gonna write a child rearing book a guy I don't know how to raise children
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um it'll be available in every swamp and Sewer that has books probably that's
48:09
what that's what the world is asking for more fars um that's this childless 30-something
48:15
year old man have to say about making kids and how hard it is you know what I
48:21
noticed Sailors like this chair is like super squeaky today oh I can't imagine what's coming I didn't
48:28
hear it so we are we are so that's my story wow that's so sad yeah it is it's it's sad
48:35
it's fascinating it's [ __ ] scary it's so scary to me it's it's like every horror Possession movie I watch like
48:41
this is it like this is yeah except it happened like yeah anyways
48:46
um but on to your side of the equation I'm gonna pull out my teaspoon
48:52
okay do you have teeth do you have measuring cups no
48:59
definitely not just curious I'll I'll grow up eventually and get
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spoons that measure things but not not quite yet yeah you don't need to yeah 42 42 is the age when you start having to
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invest in like measuring cups [Music] um you do you
49:16
let me get an example yeah yeah cool well awesome thank you for sharing that terrible story let's flip
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over to talk about historical failure and the crazy story you might have guessed by the rum that we're going into
49:30
the high seas and we're going to talk about the Mutiny on the Bounty have you heard of that before
49:37
this is um oh my God this is this is an Amistad is
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it no no because that's Amistad this is Bounty right correct
49:48
the Bounty is a ship though see I know I know enough to know that I knew okay so
49:53
the meaning of the bounty I got this idea actually from my boss she mentioned it and she was like I was looking this up this weekend and it was crazy and I
49:59
was like cool so I was gonna do something else this week but then I had um
50:04
just like read a book and I was like or if I could read a whole book this week I'm super busy so I was able to listen to a book and watch a movie to learn a
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little bit about this about this story um so I read a National Geographic um
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article I watched the 1962 movie Mutiny on the Bounty with Marlon Brando and then I also read the book by Captain
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Bligh who's the captain he wrote a book after called like the Beauty and the body essentially that's what it's called
50:31
so I read his book so before I get to that story I stumbled Upon A True Crime
50:37
Story while researching it so I'll tell this really fast so like I said I watched the
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1962 film Mutiny on the Bounty super long there's an intermission and an overture I love an overture but like
50:49
it's crazy long Marlon Brando plays Fletcher Christian one of the main characters he has this like really weird
50:55
English accent where it's like high like it's like a high voice and like no Brando's voice is not made to be British
51:03
so yeah no it's real weird so he's like he's like uh he's in it it kind of plays like more of a he's more of a rich guy
51:09
as we'll learn so in the movie they go to Tahiti you're going to learn this in a little bit too there's a woman who
51:14
dances like for Marlon Brando in the movie and they do like a lot of eye contact and you're like I don't know
51:19
there's something going on between those two like they're definitely you know whatever they're looking each other weird so it turns out that she this is
51:25
real in real life this woman is she's a 19 year old actress from Tahiti like actress is loose it was just like they
51:31
went to Tahiti and like grabbed all the local people to be in this movie and so he he's 36 she's 19. he takes her
51:39
back to LA and they get married her name is terida terrapia she's still alive she's 81. so he brings this like young
51:48
woman back from Tahiti to La it was up and down because he's kind of a monster just like you know being a movie star
51:54
doing all these things like being mean they have two kids in total he has 11 kids
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he died in 2004 but some of his kids are young they're like younger they're not they're like 29. seriously which is
52:07
bizarre yeah so I'm sure he's pretty good looking kids though oh yeah everyone's real good looking I mean
52:12
everyone's [ __ ] gorgeous Ronald Brando is gorgeous I mean he was yes I
52:18
know I'm not saying like island of doctor more on the brand was gorgeous but like we're on Brando and Beauty And The Bounty it's gorgeous yet a kid who
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was 49 years old and died in 2008. okay wait I'm getting there
52:29
am I ruining things no lose weight don't read about his kids
52:35
so when I was 11 kids the one that he has with charita um he has two kids with her one of them is a daughter named
52:41
Cheyenne so Cheyenne has it rough her dad has like ignores her and is mean to her he ends up buying some property and
52:47
Tahiti and like building a hotel and having the mom manage it and kind of ignoring his family so she's like I hate
52:52
my I hate my dad now it's the 90s Cheyenne Marlon Brando's daughter has a
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boyfriend his name is dag drolet and he is abusive towards her so he starts
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abusing Cheyenne and then Marlon Brando has another son Christian from his first marriage who's older than Cheyenne are
53:12
you with me so yeah like it's just like like dude it's just such a good looking
53:18
cluster of humans they're also good looking oh my God so uh Christian is older than Cheyenne they're half
53:24
siblings and Cheyenne ho whose mom is from Tahiti from the movies her dad is Marlon Brando has a boyfriend named dag
53:31
and Christian comes to Marlon Brando's house where Derek and Cheyenne are having a fight and Christians shoot some
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point blank in the head and kills him good for him so Marlon Brando's son kills his half-sisters
53:45
um boyfriend who's being an abusive [ __ ] guess who Christian's lawyer is when he
53:50
is on trial um the guy who uh uh oh God the Charles
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Manson prosecutor Robert Shapiro no [ __ ] yeah
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about a bunch of like exclamation points so Christians pleads guilty he sure he
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gets 10 years he serves five um Cheyenne didn't testify she attempted
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suicide twice she was also pregnant with dad's child and um later they thought that Christian was
54:21
also involved in helping Robert Blake murder his wife but that's not like confirmed and he's the one who died of
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pneumonia in 2008 at age 49 so Christian died Cheyenne has her baby then she's diagnosed as schizophrenic and in 1995
54:35
she's only 25 years old and she dies by suicide by shooting herself damn not
54:40
wild it's like life is so life well depression is the thing right I was
54:45
gonna say like if you're Marlon Brando's kid like life has got to be [ __ ] way cooler than this from me and you I
54:53
know you just don't know I guess you know anyway that's crazy
54:58
that's all that's my True Crime Story I stumbled upon Marlon Brando so effortlessly cool like
55:05
I'm sure he was I'm sure he was a jerk off but like yeah it's like dude like the way he's rocking this suit like this
55:11
picture of him and Cheyenne with like him holding her from behind with a lay the layer was like yes effortless
55:18
absolutely effortless so handsome it's crazy and the kids are gorgeous you know like
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um yeah everyone's beautiful so yes okay so that's just a crazy story that happened because I was reading about me
55:29
and the body of the movie so I watched that movie there is a Mel Gibson movie but I didn't watch it because I'm not
55:34
sure if we're ready to separate the art from the artist I'm Mel Gibson do we still hate Mel Gibson I don't know
55:40
do we I think I feel like yes because of the anti-Semitism and his dad being a literal Nazi oh I you know what I don't
55:47
I'm not up on the dad Nazi thing but I think that like Braveheart
55:52
no I know but that was like before we knew about the not so anyway who cares I didn't watch that it's available it's okay we are in 1787.
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yeah and so we're a little bit past the uh American Revolutionary War Britain
56:07
lost but they still have a lot of other things going on they're fighting with France they're trying to manage this
56:12
gigantic slave trade that they're doing and they're trying to colonize the rest of the world so Britain is still very very busy it's November 1787 and a ship
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called the HMS Bounty heads to Tahiti it's called otahiti and then later it
56:28
changes to Tahiti I don't know why the captain is William Bligh the first lieutenant is Fletcher Christian that's
56:34
Marlon Brando and in total there's 46 dudes on the boat what's up first lieutenant is that like he's like so
56:41
because the Bounty was not of the biggest ship it was one of the smallest
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ships that that the British Navy had it was called a cutter so because it had it
56:51
was so small and it was I'll tell you what they were going to do in a second it had no officers other than Bly so the
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captain was the only person who was actually an officer of the Navy everybody else was like just like kind
57:04
of like regular Sailors including pleasure Christian it's a very small crew no Royal Marines to protect the
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ship which you usually have so it's like a pretty small group of folks there's 46 guys okay the Captain William Bligh had
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traveled to like all around the world a lot before he went with someone named Captain James Cook cook had first sells
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the Tahiti in 176 69 he sailed all over the world he was eventually killed by native Hawaiians which I wrote I'm fine
57:32
with because it sounds like he did a lot of like colonizing but the goal for the HMS Bounty was to get breadfruit to
57:39
bring back to the West Indies to feed enslaved people essentially so in Tahiti
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and in that part of the world like a little bit like north of Australia like that area there's a fruit called
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breadfruit it's been around for thousands of years it's like a big Outpost picture of it but it's like a
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big green fruit in the inside you can like bake it kind of tastes like bread
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if you bake it the right way you can like boil it cook in all different kinds of ways depending on the time of year
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you could almost always Harvest it and it's like plentiful it has loud nutrients so it's something that they thought they could you know bring it to
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the West Indies and just feed all the slaves with it and feed them just bread fruit basically okay
58:17
um have you ever had like Jackfruit that tastes like pulled pork I don't think I've ever had Jackfruit it's like pretty
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crazy the stuff they can do with it like they do like a thing that I don't have much barbecue sauce they taste like
58:28
pulled pork and tastes exactly pulled pork it's really weird but things like similar to that so the HMS the Bounty
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had a botanistan board so there were there were 46 men 44 of them were like the crew two of them were botanists who
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were there to get the fruit they had taken the Captain's Quarters and they
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had cut holes in the floor and added more windows and made it into a greenhouse to be able to put pots of
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breadfruit in once they got there so Captain Bligh slept in like a much smaller room and everybody was pretty cramped because that was like a big
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space that they had allocated for the plants make sense yes hey do you
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remember this is like so I'm like having this memory arrive to me way after your
59:07
point about the colonist colonizing but you remember that guy who was like a missionary who went to that one North
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Seminole Island I was thinking about him too I [ __ ] love that he was just
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butchered like a hog like I think it's awesome I think it's like dude stop [ __ ] taking people's religions stop
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taking people's cultures away from them nobody deserve to die like ciao his name
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was it was c-h-a-u I think I I I I hate to say it but I love that they were just
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like [ __ ] you and just like shot over there [ __ ] love it it's it's one of the one of the most hard warming Stories That Should Be A Christmas Tale don't
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[ __ ] do that don't [ __ ] take people's cultures from them with a lot of this happening in the story in this
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time yeah absolutely absolutely yeah so okay so they left in November 1787 they
1:00:00
arrive in October 1788 so it took a little over 10 months and it was 27 000
1:00:06
miles to arrive in Tahiti from England the trip was exhausting a few people died there was a ship surgeon and like
1:00:12
surgeon I think should be in like 17 air quotes because it was just like maybe watching The Cook or whatever yeah and
1:00:18
he he ended up killing a dude by accident because the dude had asthma so he was like bleeding him and he had a
1:00:25
blood poisoning and died you're like okay that obviously it's predictable yeah yeah the Captain Bligh was actually
1:00:31
pretty mean he would order lashings or anyone who broke the rules so a lot of people are getting whipped and punished
1:00:36
for things in the book he's very casual about it because his book which I didn't realize when I was reading it that it was like his when I first started
1:00:42
reading it I was like oh this is like his actual account of this but he was like I'm maintaining order what am I supposed to do so it was like a pretty
1:00:48
strict um yeah it kind of makes sense that it's called Mutiny on the Bounty when you're
1:00:54
beating the shadow people like what am I supposed to do like not that probably yeah one thing that I wrote in uh that I
1:01:01
added in my nose that I thought was fun fun not fun they ate albatrosses like they would like catch them out of the sky and eat them
1:01:07
and you know like the big bird so to be a time yeah it's a rough trip takes 10
1:01:13
months they're supposed to go via Cape Horn underneath South America but it was too late in the year to do that so they
1:01:19
ended up going the other way down below Africa they spent some time in Tasmania which
1:01:25
is called Adventure Bay for parents Adventure Bay from PAW Patrol I don't think they're in there but that's funny
1:01:31
also in captain bly's book so much of it is like we were at this latitude and longitude and it was like this time and
1:01:37
I'm like how the [ __ ] do they know what latitude and longitude they were at so I looked it up I have no idea it's called a section
1:01:43
a chronometer timepiece it's like the thing that could do it it's like if you I'll if you look it up it's like a
1:01:50
beautiful like wooden brief case with like all these like gears in it like it looks like a time like a something you
1:01:57
would use like a time machine you know like it looks fun but they had like they had they were just starting to figure
1:02:02
this out and figure out where they were they were like discovering Islands sort of obviously like they're not the first
1:02:07
people there but then they'd be like oh I think if you're at this latitude in longitude you should see this island
1:02:13
that has like three hills so that like someone else could like maybe know where they are later but yeah it seems really
1:02:18
scary just to be out in the out in the ocean which is like guessing and like math and look at the stars if it's
1:02:24
cloudy you're like I don't know the [ __ ] I am you know so they were hardier back then I guess so now they're in Tahiti
1:02:31
they're about to go on to shore the Captain Bligh has everyone checked for STDs and everyone is fine in the movie
1:02:39
they're like nobody thought so you're just gonna glossed over that nobody thought was [ __ ] weird that no hold
1:02:44
on there's more so no they did not have STDs when they got off the boat allegedly in the movie they were like
1:02:50
the women loved having sex with us like they loved it like whatever like they say that but in real life they were
1:02:56
obviously like trading sexual favors for money and like beads and nails and things when it was all over 40 of the
1:03:03
men contracted an STD the STDs had been introduced to Tahiti by the English and
1:03:09
French explorers anyway you know so hold on so the women had the STDs and they gave the guys yeah yeah
1:03:17
but then it all originated from other Europeans who went there earlier yeah yeah and we're really using them as like
1:03:23
consorts and such so somehow the Bounty had a lot of stuff on it they were always able to trade gifts you know so
1:03:28
they were like you know here's a mirror and a knife and all these things and and so he was making captain black I was
1:03:35
making friends with the chief tyna was the chief's name t-y-n-a-h Captain blind
1:03:40
never slept off the boat he stayed on his boat while the men started to like live on the island with the native people but he entertained the Chiefs and
1:03:47
their wives almost every night there were a couple Petty thefts on the boat but they were sometimes okay usually it
1:03:53
was total it was fine the chief wanted to come back to England and meet King George and I was like not today not this
1:04:00
time you know so aim lower yeah I didn't mean his guards exactly so they like
1:04:06
made a little you know they made friends and he was making friends with the leadership and basically being like can
1:04:12
we have this breadfruit this is why we're here that's the thing that our King wants and they were like sure you wish a ton of it but it was hard to
1:04:18
cultivate you can't just like take it with you there's no seeds in it it has to be cultivated directly from the root so they had to like wait for the root to
1:04:25
grow and for the plants to be Hardy enough to be able to leave so wow this turned into like
1:04:30
basically a fantasy life for all these men exactly it sounds like a fantasy like it's
1:04:36
[ __ ] gorgeous it's like Delicious Fruit everywhere there's like beautiful women that are everywhere and like yeah
1:04:43
no they loved it that's the way they mutinated so Fletcher Christian he is the oh I
1:04:51
don't know I imagine this but he so he's like kind of like the the second in command um he comes from a wealthy family like they expected him to be a lawyer but he
1:04:57
decided he wanted to like go on adventures and such Fletcher Christian is 23 and Captain Bligh is 33 during
1:05:02
during this just to get some ideas like in the movie Captain bison is a lot older than 33 but basically they were
1:05:08
like not that far apart he's Anthony Hopkins and yeah he's not that old that's crazy Anthony Hopkins was born
1:05:15
like six years old I know he was never 33. yeah yeah
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um so Fletcher Christian had a girlfriend her name was mawatua that's
1:05:25
the girl that Marlon Brando flirts with in the movie and then ends up in real life marrying and in the movie The
1:05:32
Ronald Brando is like fooling around with her and the captain is like you have to stop and the chief in the movie She's the daughter of the chief and the
1:05:39
um the chief was like well my daughter is good enough for you so the captain literally goes I need you to go make
1:05:44
love to that woman and Marlon Brando goes fine and um they put him on a boat
1:05:49
and Marlon Brando's like standing on this like little Schooner going to the land to like basically have sex with his
1:05:54
girl and they have him standing up at the front of the boat with his leg up and it plays the song like
1:06:02
it's like really stupid but like funny like he's like I guess I'll have sex with her for the for the colony but
1:06:08
that's not true they were just like paying them for it essentially and I can't oh yeah I can't hear you I see you
1:06:13
I see you moving your mouth I was muted I was gonna say I guess if it's Marlon Brando and he's gonna whip it out you got to make it dramatic right
1:06:19
right exactly and I think in real life there's probably a lot of also a lot of sexual assaults so not great
1:06:25
so it's been five months the breadfruit is finally working it's in the pots it's healthy they put it all on I have a
1:06:32
couple thousand plants they put them on the on the Bounty and they're going to go back to the West Indies and
1:06:38
everything looks good so April 1st 1789 the Bounty set sail again back to
1:06:43
England via the West Indies obviously like you said the crew was not stoked they're like why can't we sing [ __ ] this
1:06:50
yeah like I don't want to go live a [ __ ] by 10 more months on this boat in like doing those hard labor and being
1:06:56
whipped all the time and like it's terrible and so that's another argument for why
1:07:01
capitalism is flawed is if you could nobody who could live that life would
1:07:07
then choose to go back to a capitalistic structure I gotta wake up at 8am to do this is exactly it lost a lot of their
1:07:14
discipline that's like a big part of it too they were like why would I rightfully back to like following rules yeah so and also the captain's Meme and
1:07:22
it feels worse because they're like now I have an idea of what a good life could be like so there's a lot of stuff that happens like a lot of abuse by the
1:07:28
captain um there's lashings people aren't allowed to have water in the movie I'm sure they did this they pulled someone
1:07:33
under the ship you know how you like like timed her rope and like pulled him across the bottom of the ship which
1:07:38
would like really hurt because you'd like get all scratched and that guy ended up dying so people were dying Bly
1:07:44
like wasn't really aware of how mad the the sailors were he was just
1:07:49
like everything's fine it's hard but that's life at the sea you know so he didn't really like he wasn't I don't know he wasn't worried about a mutiny in
1:07:56
real life it's thought that Captain Bligh on April 27 1789 so it's been like about a month
1:08:03
they've been back at Sea he accuses Christian of Fletcher Christian of stealing coconuts and punishes everybody
1:08:09
so everyone is in trouble for this like alleged infraction that may or may not even have happened and
1:08:16
everyone's pissed so now everyone like most people are mad so the next day April 28 1789 a group of mutineers led
1:08:24
by Christian armed themselves with muskets and swords and they burst into
1:08:29
the captain's cabin cabin said I'm taking you prisoner Christian said I
1:08:34
have been in hell for weeks past with you so they take him and some of his guards and people who were loyal to the
1:08:40
captain and they bring them to the the ship I don't know it's the upstairs
1:08:47
on the ship by a surprise they forced him into a boat but the boat's not big
1:08:52
enough because actually 18 of the of the people who are left want to go with the captain or they're like not sure what to do so he ends up getting a pretty big
1:08:59
boat and um the captain and Bly and those 18 men they give them some food and they
1:09:05
put them in in this boat and like let them go so this sounds even worse than
1:09:10
being on the Bounty in general obviously because they're in like a schooner they're on this for many weeks sometimes
1:09:15
they see Islands but mostly they're just eating a tiny amount of moldy bread this is where they get a teaspoon of rum every day to try to like warm up because
1:09:22
it's freezing and it's raining and they're constantly bailing water out that's how they warm up is have a
1:09:27
teaspoon of rum yeah and he says it like awful it's awful and they they're it's
1:09:33
because it's raining so much they don't really run out of water which is great but they're also constantly soaking wet and the rain is cold but the sea water
1:09:39
is pretty warm so they take their clothes off and they rinse them in the sea water and then put them back on for
1:09:44
warmth which sounds awful you're just like silky wet if you if okay so I'm
1:09:49
gonna ask like do you do you think the way I think if it was me like sure listen I'm probably gonna die
1:09:56
here anyways I just want to get trash one more time just give me all the [ __ ] rum like you don't mean like just like go for bro
1:10:02
yeah and then just like have one good night and then you know that it's all gonna suck from their heart out right I
1:10:08
don't know but what a way to go just like starving to death on a boat you know I I I fundamentally like in my
1:10:14
core I really don't have a problem with eating a person like I just never thought either thing like it's like yeah no so I don't think I would go out that
1:10:22
way I don't really spend my time trying to be someone that everybody likes someone would murder me and eat me I
1:10:27
would tell jokes I don't know so me and you would have to team up me and you would have to team up so it's like
1:10:32
because because like because I don't want to hurt people naturally so you'd have to distract them
1:10:39
so he'd grab them from behind and choke them right I'll tell jokes okay great not right now you're the funny one we'll
1:10:46
be like hey hey you want to go on a boat with us we'll be like no no I've listened to your podcast I know exactly
1:10:52
what you have planned so it is Captain blind 18 men also
1:10:59
everyone is sick obviously because you're eating moldy bread and they're barely eating so everyone like just like constantly sick meanwhile the Bounty
1:11:06
goes back towards Tahiti they find an island about 400 miles from Tahiti
1:11:11
called to Bali and they stay there the natives are like we don't want you here they're different it's a different group
1:11:17
of people than we're on Tahiti they're like who are you we don't want you here they don't speak the same language um so they killed a bunch of them and
1:11:24
like the the sailors on the Bounty killed a bunch of the natives they go back to Tahiti the people that they know
1:11:30
to get supplies and so they lie and say that like the captain died they don't tell anybody about the Mutiny because
1:11:35
they they don't want them to know that this happened I'm going to take 30 tahitians back with them to this island
1:11:42
eventually it's just too much like the natives who are there don't want them there um and there's a lot of killing and a
1:11:48
lot of fighting so they go back to Tahiti so the mutineers are a mess they end up getting in another fight and
1:11:54
dividing up so 16 of them stay in Tahiti and the rest including Fletcher
1:12:01
Christian Marlon Brando pretend to throw a party and invite 30 natives onto the Bounty and essentially kidnap them and
1:12:08
enslave them so they can build a settlement on another Island so they leave it's like it's like almost
1:12:15
entrenched innate second nature to find people and
1:12:21
horribly use them weirdness includes women that they're using as
1:12:27
like sex slaves it's such a weird Instinct it's like when I meet a person I don't immediately think how can I use
1:12:33
and abuse you to my own benefit yeah maybe I should that's my No No that's my
1:12:38
fault that's my problem so now the original crew of The Bounty is in three different groups and here's
1:12:45
what happened to them so group one is with Captain black and his men they are I'm that small boat they eventually
1:12:51
reach safety into more which is like another Island a little bit north it's about six thousand miles away from where
1:12:56
they started they get back to England and sent a ship black back to Tahiti to
1:13:03
get the to get the the mutineers also as soon as they took over the Bounty they threw all the bread plants out of it so
1:13:10
they were like so they were just like [ __ ] you you're awesome it was just our former Rebellion yeah
1:13:16
yeah so that wasn't so that's not even an option anymore Bly Captain Bly does get court martials and acquitted of
1:13:22
responsibility for the loss of the ship eventually um there were other Wars and such and Captain Bligh ended up being mutinied
1:13:29
again in the rum rebellion in New South Wales Australia which was not on a boat but like they took the they like
1:13:35
rebelled against him because he was being a terrible leader and it's Australia's only military rebellion and
1:13:41
I we can talk more about that later I don't know much about it but like you're a bad leader Captain why and um
1:13:47
he ended up going back to England he died oh he got put on the ship for two years on like a prison ship after that
1:13:53
Mutiny in Australia and then he went back to England they died of cancer at home in London at the age of 63. so he
1:13:59
yeah he like kept going even though he was you know whatever then the second group the years that were left on Tahiti
1:14:06
so the ship that I sent back in 1791 to get the mutineers was called the Pandora
1:14:11
when they got back to Tahiti there were 14 left 14 other meetings were left
1:14:16
alive on Tahiti the Pandora took them back it ended up pretty quickly after
1:14:21
leaving Tahiti sinking it landed it got like stuck in Coral it sunk they tried
1:14:28
to save the prisoners but four of them drowned because they were still Shackled In the bottom of the boat so now there's
1:14:33
only 10 left so there's 10 10 mutineers are left they go back to England four were acquitted
1:14:39
six were sentenced to death by hanging and three ended up being pardoned and three of them ended up being hanged
1:14:46
Thomas Burkett John millward and Thomas Ellison they were all hanged on October 29 1729 1794 for the Mutiny and they're
1:14:55
the only ones who were ever actually punished I mean probably a good move like you can't have people just [ __ ]
1:15:00
it's never going to end well when so here's one thing I've learned that you're going to screw me again we have
1:15:06
there's so many I think bad leadership is better than no leadership
1:15:12
until I was being in the face she's pondering the question no maybe
1:15:18
there's like something somebody has to take charge right because absent any leadership you have chaos
1:15:25
yeah and chaos is rarely productive and that's what they ended up having the
1:15:31
main years because they couldn't agree in anything right and that's I think that's what always happens like that's what you see happening when like there
1:15:38
is you know like you like have a good idea but if no one's in charge like that's what happened to um
1:15:45
was a thing with occupy Occupy Wall Street yeah 99 movement yeah yeah they
1:15:50
had no leadership and so that's how all that's how all that [ __ ] ends up is like yeah different factions like yeah yeah
1:15:58
totally so so yeah absolutely and that that's what happens to the last group so the third group is is Christian is Christian and
1:16:05
his group they go to Pitcairn Island which is another Island where they want to have a permanent settlement with you know their slaves I didn't finish the
1:16:12
movie it's long I think I I think I like you can get on YouTube for free but they
1:16:19
do find an island Christian has a son and he has a pretty great name so here's
1:16:24
another name that you can give to your future children uh Fletcher Christian has this on with a native teaching woman
1:16:31
and the son's name is Thursday October which is great because neither of those are our names
1:16:37
that is as stupid as [ __ ] name I've never heard of a dumber name
1:16:45
no I know they shouldn't those are names the doctor should take that child away
1:16:51
when the worship is submitted like it's pregame so essentially the women
1:16:58
were sex slaves and the men were being abused to like build this like Little Colony on this island some women even tried to leave on a boat but they were
1:17:05
unsuccessful and they had to come back one woman her name was tevarua she died by suicide because she was just like so
1:17:11
tired of the abuse they did horrible things to these people that they had to live on this island in September 1793
1:17:17
there was a Uprising by the the natives that they had on this little island with
1:17:23
them and they killed four of the eight million years that were left including Fletcher Christian so he dies in 1793.
1:17:31
the British don't find them until 1808 and when they find them there's only one
1:17:37
man left on this island well one Englishman left on this island there's a lot of really fat this one really fat
1:17:43
guy and there's a bunch of skeletons for real um his name was John Adams so he
1:17:49
was you know involved in a lot of the turmoil on the island there was a lot there was like murder one guy wanted to
1:17:55
marry uh Chris Christians like Widow in parentheses like that in quotes and
1:18:00
threatened to everyone so they killed him with a hatchet and his sleep so they're like fighting against each other like this it's like it's wild and then
1:18:07
one of the guys was like super upset about just like everything he jumped off a cliff so everyone like is kind of
1:18:13
losing their minds so guess where John Adams turns after this he becomes president of the United States no
1:18:21
um he becomes very religious so he finds God and becomes very Christian somehow he also had a Bible so he tries to live
1:18:27
life by the Bible and you know starts to like be a big part of like bringing Christianity to these islands and and
1:18:33
does that even though he's definitely been a [ __ ] I should have this whole time and then he ended up what's the
1:18:39
most interesting about that like you go to these places and you realize how
1:18:44
incredibly amazing and Rich that life is yeah and tell yourself
1:18:51
I gotta make this like my own my old spot I gotta bring Jesus into this like it's just like what I mentioned when I
1:18:57
talk about that one guy the Egyptian guy was like why the [ __ ] would you go somewhere and then try and turn that
1:19:02
place in the thing that you escaped so he makes no sense there's actually a quote at the end of this natural geographic article where a
1:19:10
historian in 2017 said European European explorers effectively destroyed all the
1:19:16
things that people had found exotic and attractive about Tahitian culture yeah the [ __ ] worst so
1:19:23
um I actually feel weird and guilty that I like Hawaii as much as I do because I
1:19:29
know that I'll learn about that huh we should talk about that sometime all the terrible things that happen in
1:19:35
Hawaii I don't know I don't really know them so I don't know them that well either it's just I I get into it that like
1:19:41
America it's an American state which means it was settled which means there were missionaries which means like all
1:19:47
these people who obviously don't look like Europeans with like crosses on the back of their vehicles
1:19:54
like they lost chunks of who they are as humans because
1:20:00
of Christianity the mission and missionaries and stuff like that and like I do love Hawaii but like it's also
1:20:06
I'm aware that it's kind of gross yeah
1:20:11
totally there was a thing where um no this is funny when one of the times when The Rock was on Saturday live they were
1:20:18
like at a luau and he was like making fun of people and he was like oh cool you're on your honeymoon that's great do you wear Crocs in restaurants in
1:20:24
Nebraska it was like so funny like crazy here yeah so John Adams was allowed to
1:20:31
stay he died at on Pitcairn Island he's the only he's buried there so he's the
1:20:37
only mutineer with a grave like he's he's buried there the island is still a British oversea territory because of
1:20:43
course it is um it has a population of about 50 people and a lot of them are like descendants of the million years
1:20:50
and a lot of there are a fair amount of people in Tahiti that are descendants of you know these colonizers and these
1:20:56
people that came up there in 190. I don't know if I mentioned that when they got to pick here an island in the
1:21:01
beginning they burned the Bounty so they burned the boat so they wouldn't you know uh have it as like evidence of what
1:21:07
they had done but in 1957 National Geographic Explorer Louise Martin found
1:21:12
what remained to the Bounty off the islands East Coast so it's still like parts of it better that are under there
1:21:17
that's um yeah yeah that's it so I feel like the red flags are don't be
1:21:22
colonizers and don't treat your people like [ __ ] so that they overthrow you
1:21:29
I um well I I don't find this guy who are you looking for
1:21:34
this [ __ ] absolute dip [ __ ]
1:21:40
loser [ __ ] dweeb John Allen Chow
1:21:45
who was okay 26 years old from Scottsboro Alabama
1:21:51
what an absolute [ __ ] I mean so like so here's the
1:21:57
thing like again like I have no problem with people in their religious practices
1:22:05
I I growing up and having friends talk about how they're going to go down and do a
1:22:11
mission service in like Central America [ __ ] you like who are you to take their
1:22:18
[ __ ] culture away from them like well because they don't [ __ ] have you
1:22:24
know stock portfolios they're less than you like what are you trying to teach them like
1:22:30
yeah it's so offensive and like you know what's funny it's like okay not funny it's actually kind of awful it's like I
1:22:36
um I got one of those weird Brad holes on YouTube in the most recent one that I went down has to do with the Narco Wars
1:22:43
and the carsal wars in Mexico and I've like had this thought multiple times where I'm like dude these people are
1:22:50
[ __ ] descendants of Aztecs and Mayan warriors and they're cutting each other's heads
1:22:57
off over like three dollars worth of like weed yeah it's just like any like and I try
1:23:04
to like do the math in my head of like how do you tie that back to missionaries
1:23:10
and Catholics going over there trying to convert them to Christians like it's all there I know it's there I need to think
1:23:16
about it more but like it is so [ __ ] up that people do that and they think it's a good thing there's just like
1:23:23
no like this there's no redeeming quality to this Mission you know like
1:23:29
they were going to Tahiti to like take advantage of the women take advantage of the culture to steal their food so that
1:23:36
they could bring it to the West Indies to be able to really cheaply feed their slaves
1:23:44
there's nothing dreaming about it I do want to say that Anthony Hopkins does
1:23:49
look kind of young in this oh he's 47 he just look I mean he looks the youngest I've ever seen him in this poster for the bounty
1:23:56
Germany played um the wolf no way that was Jack Nicholson never mind played the wolf
1:24:03
um Jack Nicholson is doing terrible he like lives alone and is really really old but Anthony Hopkins has his his
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Instagram is like him playing the piano it's quite lovely even the locals told this [ __ ] [ __ ]
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they said they wouldn't take him there they wouldn't take it they're not gonna take you there they wouldn't take him they like dropped him off I was like
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this is as close as I'm getting this island he was like I can do it it's like why what is and I remember I feel like
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his dad one time was like we shouldn't blame him blah blah 100 blame him he's 100 blame him he's a
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[ __ ] idea and the people who enabled him all of his [ __ ] youth pastors and church leaders they think you can all
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[ __ ] bathe in his blood because they're [ __ ] responsible for it too piece of [ __ ] yeah that story is
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terrible and I hope those people on the island are doing fine yeah no kidding um I think I read something else about
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them I don't know this is true this is just a random possibly untrue story Corner that during like tsunami time
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when there was like a big tsunami and like that area of like India and Japan or something people on that island were
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okay they survived because they had the tribal knowledge literally to know that when the ocean gets pulled back like
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that they need to run to the hills yeah of course you know like without any science or anything you know or whatever I'm sure they have something you know
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what I mean super cool don't go there so um so his dad this guy's dad blamed
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his death his kid's death on the missionaries Community yeah Fair
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one of my really good friends I hate [ __ ] say this I wouldn't say her name but like when we were growing up we went to high school together and she was like
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super super aggression and was like always going on these missions and I was just I remember as a kid being like oh that's so cool you get to travel and
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it's like fun you get to help people and I was an adult I'm like that was kind of [ __ ] up like that was
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kind of [ __ ] up I had someone at someone also not say who it was like but
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they were like I got to go to South America and help people and I'm like no you didn't that wasn't helping people
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are you you're out of your mind like that's absolutely not like no you went
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there to like knock on doors and try to get them to be Mormon it's a different thing yeah
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so Taylor I think we shine a little in the evening I think I think at 10 A.M like I'm kind
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of barely half awake and at 8 AM you're a hundred percent not awake and
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um I think we shine them I think like later in the evening is maybe so Taylor moved
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our time but she didn't actually know what Taylor didn't know when she moved our time was that I was desperately wishing that she would because I landed
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at like 11 p.m last night from Denver got to my house at like midnight and
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then also had done almost no research for this episode so the fact that she pushed it is uh was hugely beneficial
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for Halloween next week is gonna be wild but let's talk about it because I might I could maybe do it from the hotel
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wait where are you going la wait why I have to go to I'm working with my lay
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the 24th to the 27th so I have to go on Saturday because I also have to work on Sunday which is a big project and then
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um but I have two baseball games at the same time Saturday morning the end of noon
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I mean there's a chance we could do it in person on Thursday yeah but I can't come until later
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because we have piano until 5 30. being a parent is hard you should tell we should end with that no no like have
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Juan Juan's a driver we have dinner well [ __ ] it we'll order pizza the at the
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Casita and then we can just have some Bourbon and pizza and record
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um I don't know what I'm doing okay great thank you for everyone who um I just don't slap obviously thank you
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thank you everyone and also I figured out how to review on Spotify because my cousin Lindsay asked me how to do that
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you the little people who helped get us here we'll remember you our first thousand
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followers yay because right now there's like seven of you but I do think but we are good are going up and I'm very
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excited and happy to happy to do this so great no we're waiting we're way past that we're like we're like we have like
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over 1200 1300 downloads no I know but like
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doesn't mean but this the last one positivity
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I did I just made something up and then I felt bad about it so I said something else no we have in the last seven days we
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have 76 unique listeners which is great hello
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thank you so thank you thank you all um and yeah we'll be joining you again next week either from Palm Springs
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remotely in LA in Austin or some other way also shout out to um Henry our
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friend yeah we have one download in Portugal every week so that could actually be the
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other friend I mentioned who did the missionary mission trips [ __ ] that means that she might hear this there's one
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person in Portugal listening to us so we know two people there it could be it's probably this friend is playing on Henry
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Henry's on I don't know I thought I don't know anybody else in Portugal Henry listens like Henry this is like
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mind hack stuff like he tries to like improve himself as a human he's lame
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two people in Jacksonville four people in Las Vegas one person in Olympia Washington
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no way seriously yeah one person in Houston one person in Rockport Texas uh that's
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uh the new is that you that's the new gf's mom one person in Petoskey Michigan
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[Music] that's your new girlfriend's mom yeah
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she told her mom about my podcast that's sweet to be playing Grand Rapids what up Kelly I know as I found from work anyway
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very exciting you should cut this all up bye it's like at this podcast I'm gonna have
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to cut out cut it out we've been here for days all right let's stop recording
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thanks everyone thank you
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