Ew. You've heard this story but not the details! Stella was in New Mexico on Feb 27, 1992 when she stopped for a coffee at McDonald's. She then spilled the coffee in her lap -- and OMG the injuries are horrific. She sued McDonald's (as she should have because, again, OMG) Then we spent the 90s making fun of her because, of course, coffee is hot. We were terribly terribly wrong. This coffee wasn't hot, the McDonald's coffee of the 90s was lava-level dangerous. Google at your own risk.
Ew. You've heard this story but not the details! Stella was in New Mexico on Feb 27, 1992 when she stopped for a coffee at McDonald's. She then spilled the coffee in her lap -- and OMG the injuries are horrific. She sued McDonald's (as she should have because, again, OMG)
Then we spent the 90s making fun of her because, of course, coffee is hot. We were terribly terribly wrong. This coffee wasn't hot, the McDonald's coffee of the 90s was lava-level dangerous. Google at your own risk.
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Taylor: Hopefully something good happened between now and Wednesday
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
>> Farz: Boom. we are back. Hopefully the wildfires are out and it is a lovely, sunny, who knows what day. Hopefully Wednesday, maybe a Thursday. How are you, Taylor?
>> Taylor: Good. Yeah. Hopefully something good happened between now and Wednesday.
>> Farz: It won't. You're being m. Absolutely naive.
>> Taylor: Cool.
Taylor: I'm worried about what the future of social media will look like
>> Farz: on that note, would you like to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yes, I am. welcome everyone, to Doomed to Fail. I am, Taylor. Joined by Fars. We bring you history's most notorious failures, disasters, interesting stories twice a week. And I just thought for a second actually, you know, what might happen between now and then is I think I'm really going to ban TikTok because our videos are doing really well on Tick Tock.
>> Farz: I would not be upset if they banned Tick Tock despite that fact, Taylor, because I'm on the camp of, like, why are we giving our data to, like, a Chinese company?
>> Taylor: I mean, they already have it. No way. They can't hack.
>> Farz: I know, but you don't have to keep. Whatever.
>> Taylor: there's like, all this stuff happening. It's, like, so interesting. So, like, I am, I was on Tick Tock because I've been, like, trying to repost all of our episodes. Gonna take me my whole life because we have so many episodes, which is awesome, you know, and. But I'm trying to go through all them. I'm only at number 10, but I'm doing like a little Tick tock for all of them. And we're getting a lot of followers. Followers, like, doubled, but it's not a ton, but we have a bunch of them. But then when I go to my explore, I guess because I'm, you know, an older woman, all of the things. I'm not really following anybody, but all of the things. It's like all these live videos of, people selling things. And it's like people doing, like, home shopping network from their house. And it's like you would, like, join my live thing and I'd be like, oh, hi, Farz. Just joined. And Beth just joined and whatever. This person just joined. And then you, like, order jewelry and the person's like, oh, my gosh, I'm so excited for you. Okay, I'm gonna give you jewelry number three. They pull out this thing and they put it in like a pot of water and it fizzes and they open it up and they're like, oh, look at this beautiful necklace. You're so lucky. And then they mail it to you. Is that weird?
>> Farz: Is this in the U.S. yes.
>> Taylor: But there's, like, I've seen dozens. There's probably thousands of women who's. That's their job.
>> Farz: Yeah. I think I've officially aged out of social media.
>> Taylor: It's just so fascinating. I'm like, I can't.
>> Farz: It's brilliant. I think that, like, your kids, what their world is going to look like in terms of social media and, like, what they can do, how they can make money in. In side hustles and whatever else. I think it's gonna look so different than our world in, like, in a great way.
>> Taylor: I mean, it's gonna look so different.
>> Farz: I think you don't destroy. I think you disagree on the great way part.
>> Taylor: Not in a great way, no.
>> Farz: Really?
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, things, are getting worse every single day.
>> Farz: Like what?
>> Taylor: Like climate change gets worse every day and Elon Musk does something weird more every day. And there's no, like, light at the end of the tunnel. It's just a tunnel.
>> Farz: Okay. And then AI is going to be a thing. Quantum computer is going to be a thing. You would.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And then it's going to use all of the water that we've ever possibly had, and then we're all going to die.
>> Farz: You're our parents. We would never have fathomed. Like, wait, you have jobs where you don't have to leave home and you can go, like, grocery shopping in the middle of the day? Or, you know, I mean, like, it's just like our. Our living is dramatically better than their standard of living was.
>> Taylor: I think not every, but not. But like, not for everyone. Like, we're very privileged.
>> Farz: Well, you can't account for everyone. There's always going to be, like, ends to the bell curve. We're also not billionaires, so what are we?
>> Taylor: I know, I know, but we're also fine.
>> Farz: have we ever introduced the show yet?
>> Taylor: I did, I definitely did, but then I was talking about TikTok, remember? And then you were like, social media, it's a thing. And then I'm in a pit of despair and I'm just like, is your topic funny?
>> Farz: Yeah, you are. Ah. Hey, so it's not funny, but it's insightful, it's thoughtful, and it's different than what we usually do, so hopefully you'll like it because I sense that you are on the precipice of a spiral.
>> Taylor: I mean, I literally, like, I Said. I think I said it, I don't know, five minutes ago or an hour ago. I have nuclear war dreams every single night. You know, I'm not doing okay. But yeah, he going, I'm going to.
>> Farz: I'm going to get your mind off.
>> Taylor: It for like, that's what I'm hoping for.
Taylor: A lot of people misremember that whole case and that whole story
>> Farz: Okay, so I went to dinner last night with Rachel and I went to a ramen place. Taylor. Okay, so this is for you as my friend who if you ever come to visit, we have to figure this out. But it also is for anybody who is in either. Mostly in Austin, but if you're like in the areas of surrounding areas, there's two ramen places that you have to check out in Austin. One is Ramen del Barrio, which. Which is phenomenal. It's inside of a grocery store. And that's not what the story's about. But I'm just like bringing it up on the side. It is. Imagine if like Mexican food was like made like ramen. And that's what it is. It's just like this. God, it's so. I can't even describe how amazing it is. the other is where I went to yesterday, which is Mamafuko ramen. And that was amazing as well. And that's where Rich made a joke. There was something, something about, well, why don't you just spill some ramen on yourself and then you can sue the restaurant for millions. And I was like, hey, I got a fact check. You. I'm going to throw some facts in your face. I know a lot about this topic because I knew exactly what she was referring to when she said that. And I assume that Taylor, you might know what she's talking about too.
>> Taylor: Oh my God, that poor woman with some McDonald's coffee.
>> Farz: Yes, the poor woman with the McDonald's coffee. So I am going to go into what I think our collective memory got wrong about that whole situation because a lot of people misremember that whole case and that whole story. So I'm going to go into it. So generally speaking, I think that the collective memory we have is that, well, she did it to herself. She's crazy greedy and she asked for and got an insane sum of money. And. And these days, anyone can sue you for anything. Culture is what we have now. That's. That's what I generally think the collective wisdom was. And I think late night television. Like, I think Jay Leno is to blame for most of this, but.
>> Taylor: Oh, got it.
>> Farz: I like Jay Leno, but like this.
>> Taylor: We should blame him for this for sure.
>> Farz: We should blame him for this.
>> Taylor: I'm not sure if it was on a show, but it probably was.
>> Farz: It almost certainly was.
The story of McDonald's Breakfast starts in 1971 with the Egg McMuffin
so that's what I want to get into is, like, get into what actually happened, what we remembered, and what we're misremembering. M about the events and what the outcomes of those events actually were. So this story takes place. It starts in. Well, the story doesn't take place here. The story really just starts in 1971, because 1971 is the year McDonald's decided that, you know what, we're going to crush the competition of local diners by introducing a breakfast menu. So that's the first time Breakfast came to McDonald's with the world infamous Egg McMuffin and all the rest.
>> Taylor: I get it. Without the Canadian bacon, because Canadian bacon's weird.
>> Farz: I like Canadian bacon. It's supposed to be really healthy. Is it? I think it's supposed to just pure protein and no fat. M. But then again, you don't know because, like, when we were kids, they're like, fat's bad for you now. Fat's good for you.
>> Taylor: And, you know, now. Now as like, influencers, I was like, have you seen some people eat, like, a stick of butter and like, a, steak for breakfast?
>> Farz: So we know someone that does that. I'm not gonna say his name right now, but we know someone who does that. Anyways, we're gonna. We're gonna move on.
McDonald's used to justify why their coffee was so hot
So. So in these days, you know, like now, it's funny, I make this joke to, to Rachel anytime we go for coffee in Austin, because every coffee shop in Austin is the exact same. It's like someone wearing shirts that are probably 50 years old and cost $1,000 and have some obscure band. The person behind the counter is 27, has, like, tiny little tattoos. The ones that you kind of have. Like, it's just all the exact same vibe. Like, the vibe of every coffee shop in Austin is the exact same. They're all very hoity toity, you know, type of a vibe. That is not what the vibe was back in the day. Back in the day, coffee was just like a thing you picked up at McDonald's or 7 11. It was hot as shit. Nobody cared about flavor. There weren't four different types of beans with individual Social Security numbers that you could choose from. Like, they were all just beans. You just got a bean and just got them things roasted.
>> Taylor: So you're totally right. That's so funny.
>> Farz: Up till the events of this story, McDonald's kept its coffee at around 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit. For context of how hot that is. That's the internal temperature of like a very well baked, freshly baked bread or the temperature that you would serve pork at like a sauna for example, is about 150 degrees and go up to like 150, 170. But like that's the upper limits. Starbucks, by comparison, today serves our coffee between 150 and 170, which incidentally is also temperature where third degree burns also tend to happen depending on exposure length, where it happens, all that stuff. Were you gonna say something just now?
>> Taylor: this is stupid, but like when I first had a baby, you buy a stroller, right? And the strollers have like cup holders on the front. And one of them they say like, not for hot liquids, you know, And I was like, I'm not an idiot, you know, and then the first thing I did was put a cup of coffee in it and like push a stroller two feet and there was coffee everywhere. Yeah, I was like, I am an idiot. And that is exactly why this warning was on here.
>> Farz: But we live in modern times with tiny single line tattoo baristas. So that coffee could have been an iced coffee. Taylor.
>> Taylor: It's, it's true that that was, that was when I switched to the iced coffee and followed the rules of the stroller.
>> Farz: Very well done. I still only order iced coffee if I'm at home. I have hot coffee because I don't want to make iced coffee. But if I ever go out, I'm ordering iced coffee.
>> Taylor: Really? Like I like doing like a latte or something.
>> Farz: Lattes are nice. Lattes are nice. I just feel like I'm not going to get like an Americano.
>> Taylor: I got a bunch of Americanos in Puerto Rico because I don't know, I feel like everything was so sweet or fried. I was like, give me something not so they can be a piece of broccoli and an Americano. So I'm not like d like hands.
>> Farz: You like a, nice fried pork hock next to it.
>> Taylor: Yeah, exactly.
>> Farz: so the logic McDonald's used to justify why their coffee was so hot was there's three reasons. One, they said their customers wanted that hot because the hotter the coffee is, the longer it stays hot. So if you buy a coffee in the drive through, then when you get to your office and sit down at your desk, ah, the coffee still hot. So they did it for customer reasons. The second reason is they said that a hotter cup of coffee is fresher, it stays fresher longer and it preserves flavor longer.
>> Taylor: It can't be true. I feel like after a while it gets. Feel like it's burned.
>> Farz: We're gonna get into this.
>> Taylor: Okay, great.
>> Farz: They're not doing it for good reasons. Let's just put it that way.
>> Taylor: Okay. I was like, I don't believe them, but keep going.
>> Farz: So my personal favorite was that they brewed coffee in huge, huge batches. Like this was not this again. This was not a era when coffee was artistry. They were just making tons of coffee and making tons of coffee over and over again. It just reduced the profits. So you make one batch of coffee, you keep it scalding hot, and the person getting coffee thinks that their coffee's fresh because it's scalding hot. Who else would keep old coffee scalding hot?
Stella mae Liebeck accidentally spills coffee at Albuquerque McDonald's in 1992
So with that said about of the way, let's get to our main protagonist, which is a woman named Stella mae Liebeck, a 79 year old grandmother in 1992 from Norwich, England. And she was living with her daughter Judy Allen and her grandson Chris lebeck in Albuquerque, New Mexico at the time. So we're in 1992, February 27th, Stella and her grandson Chris go through the drive through their local McDonald's, which by the way I street viewed it, it's still there.
>> Taylor: And that's interesting.
>> Farz: Yeah. They go to this McDonald's and they. And she ordered a cup of coffee. They get the coffee and Chris parks to give her some times to open the lid and put cream and sugar inside of it. She does this by placing the cup between her legs so she can peel the lid off of it. And in the process she was peeling the lid like towards herself. So she's grabbing the lid, the furthest side of the lid.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And like peel it. And so in the middle of doing this, she spilled the intactable coffee in her lap.
>> Taylor: And who among us has not done this?
>> Farz: I've not done this.
>> Taylor: You've not done this. I feel like if you get a cup of hot coffee and like you want to put some stuff in it, you put it between your legs.
>> Farz: So I. I drink my coffee m black. Unless I'm at home.
>> Taylor: I do too, but I feel like I have. I drink it black all the time, but I feel like I would like. My husband wants a Splenda in his. So we have to open it. So I put it like between my knees. Open it. If I'm sitting in the car and he like handed it to me, you.
>> Farz: Know, he just wants it black with a Splenda.
>> Taylor: No, no, no. He has a lot to Splendas. It's. Oh, I was gonna say no, but, like. No, but.
>> Farz: Monster turning into a monster.
>> Taylor: No, that's gross. but, no, but, but how. How else would I do it?
>> Farz: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, how. How else would you do it? That would be the expectation.
Stella Liebeck sued McDonald's over coffee spill that left her permanently burned
so, Stella's reaction was super, super intense and some would argue over the top. Her grandson actually thought she was overreacting until she literally went into shock and passed out in the car. He. Then again,
>> Taylor: How old is the grandson again?
>> Farz: Oh, I don't know. I don't know. She. I mean, 79. He was probably, like in his, like, late 20s, early 30s, I would assume. he would race her to the ER once this happened, once he saw the outcome of this. And it was discovered that she had third degree burns up her legs and in her, like, region. I mean, she poured the coffee in, like, the worst spot that you'd want to pour the coffee. This would require ongoing skin grafts and full time care, going on for, like, months after her discharge from the hospital, so. Well, the skin grafts lasting months after. Yeah, the skin grafts would last for months after the discharge. but in total, she spent eight days in the hospital, then two years of ongoing treatments. And then at the end of this, she still ended up permanently disfigured and somewhat disabled, like, living in constant pain.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: So Stella's daughter, who would, would take on the duty of being her caregiver, she was not like, salaried, so she was missing out on pay by taking care of her mom. and there was ongoing medical expenses, obviously, that Stella had to incur and her family had to incur. Ultimately, Stella would reach out to McDonald's and ask for about $20,000 to cover her actual medical bills, expected medical bills and her daughter's loss of income, that's what she wanted. She wanted $20,000. That's, it. McDonald's counted with $800. So this pissed her off enough so that she retained a lawyer to sue McDonald's. And the main legal issues at trial were, was McDonald's negligent in serving coffee at such a high temperature, knowing that it posed a risk to customers? Did they, did their failure to act on prior burn complaints constitute willful negligence? Was the severity of Stella Liebeck's injuries reasonably foreseeable? And lastly, to what extent was Stella responsible herself for the spill and injuries? So on the first point, the coffee Temperature. Despite what they argued at trial, their own. Through discovery, it was discovered that their own internal surveying polls, uncovered that people didn't wait to drink their coffee when they got to the office. They would start drinking their coffee in the car like any sane human being.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: It's such a deliberate attempt to be like, yeah, I don't, I don't, I've, I have no idea how this works. so, so the whole they have to serve it this hot so it's the right temperature when you get to your desk argument just falls apart immediately on its face. Also, it was discovered that coffee served elsewhere was between the 150 and 170 range, which it currently is at a place like Starbucks, for example. That's what they currently do. And that's what they did back then as well. and if you were to spill at the higher end of that.
>> Taylor: I'm so sorry.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: What is, what is boiling?
>> Farz: Boiling is 100, 132.
>> Taylor: It's almost boiling.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: Yeah. so at, 170 degrees, it would take 20 seconds. So. Sorry. At 170 degrees, like, if you were to serve the coffee at a reasonable temperature, that's considered reasonable today, it would take 20 seconds longer to, for you to incur and develop third degree burns if you were to spill that coffee on yourself than you would at the 190 degree temperature. What's actually worse here is that she was also wearing thick cotton, like pants or whatever. And so when the coffee spilled, she couldn't peel it away from her skin. It just like soaked into the, into the cotton and just pressed itself against her body.
>> Taylor: Oh, God.
>> Farz: And then there's a question of prior complaints. So in the years prior to Stella's lawsuit, McDonald's had received over 700 complaints about his coffee and settled over $500,000 against those complaints. So they knew without a shadow of a doubt their coffee was injuring people. So as to Stella's culpability, she's obviously somewhat responsible for this, and she is the one who did it. in all, the jury decided that McDonald's was 80% at fault, and still it was 20% at fault. in total, she was awarded $200,000 in compensatory damages. That means, like, they're just trying to compensate you. They're trying to make you whole, for money that you're out of pocket or will be out of pocket. So she got $200,000 worth of those, but that was reduced 20% because of her own cul ability. So she received $160,000 of that. Then there's the part that again, the late night comics had a field day with. They added the punitive damages to the award of $2.7 million. So the part I think people overlook is the point of a punitive damage is to punish the wrongful entity for their actions in such a way that they would correct their actions and not repeat them. Let me ask this. How many, how many days worth of coffee sale do you think the punitive damages were for McDonald's?
>> Taylor: Oh my God, like nothing.
>> Farz: Two days. So the 2.7 million dollar award that everybody made fun of him was like, we're spinning out of control as a country. That's two days of coffee sales for McDonald's.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So in 1992.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: It's like way more now.
>> Farz: Exactly, exactly, yeah.
McDonald's did not reduce the temperature of their coffee
So the other part that gets overlooked is she didn't collect that. So the judge ended up reducing the damages to. Reducing the punitive damages to 480, 000. So she still got the 160 plus the. And then sell. His attorneys appealed and that's when them and McDonald's settled out of court. For some that we actually don't even know what it totally is. Ultimately several things would come out of this. McDonald's absolutely, shockingly, did not reduce the temperature of their coffee. What they did was they printed more prominent labels of warning on the cups. Because again, like I go back to like this was a profit center. They had machines they had probably had built, you know, like, what are you going to do? Like remove those? And I got to hire someone full time. They're not going to do that. It wasn't until, yeah, they don't care. It wasn't until 2013 when they started going through their whole McCafe conversion. It's like, we're going to do a Starbucks. That's when they started investing in brewing and that's when they got rid of the industrial machines that would keep the Damn thing at 190 degrees.
>> Taylor: Again like, it's like it's gonna, it's gonna taste like burning. Right? It's a good coffee.
>> Farz: So I was way too young to be into coffee back then, but I never had it. But I could only assume it was horrible, horrible coffee. I think the reason Starbucks exists today is because the most accessible coffee people had access to was McDonald's and nobody liked it. So Starbucks shows up and they look.
>> Taylor: Like superheroes and then they charge three times as much money. But part of that is to pay for that person to make you an individual cup of coffee and not scoop it out of a boiling cauldron.
>> Farz: Yeah. So you can look at a guy with a handlebar mustache and a beanie wearing a flannel shirt. Like, that's what you pay for. That's what you're there for. Exactly. Stella, would die 10 years after her court case at 91 years old. She, according to her daughter, basically just died in agony. Her settlement for McDonald's paid for the live in nurse she needed for 24 hour support until her death. And last but not, least this had an impact on automakers. Can you guess why? Upholders, you are brilliant. So Stella's grandson was driving.
>> Taylor: I literally just thought, oh, I should have put the coffee in the cup holder when I take the top off.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, it didn't occur to me. Like, my whole rant about how I like very much would have put it between my legs. Like, I didn't even think about, I should have put it in the cup holder.
>> Farz: So none of these changes to automakers would have made an impact in your case?
>> Taylor: now that, now that I thought it through, but keep going.
>> Farz: When you first said the thing about the baby carriage, I was like, oh, wow, she's kind of stuck on my story here. so Stella's grandson, the car he was driving when they went to that drive through, was a 1989 Ford Probe. And the 1980s and early 1990s cup holders were like a luxury car thing. A Ford Probe would not have cup holders. Still. Yeah, like cell. Lex Case has been cited as a leading influence for automakers, to standardize cup holders in cars. And the Ford Probe, actually the first time it ever got a cup holder was right after this burn injury situation in 1983. So resting.
Stella Liebeck's lawsuit against McDonald's is widely considered frivolous
So several things here. When I started this conversation at the Ramen restaurant, the first thing I did was like, hey, if you think that that lady's injuries were like such a joke, Google it. Google Stella Liebeck injuries. And it looks like, like radiation. Like, it looks, horrible. Like anybody who wants to Google it, it is not a pretty site. She got super, super messed up. So everybody was like, well, it was frivolous. It was, it was bs. Like, take a look at those pictures. Like, you will totally disregard that sentiment that it was frivolous.
>> Taylor: I'm, looking at them now. Oh my God.
>> Farz: Yeah, you would not expect that. Right?
>> Taylor: I knew they were that, wow, she.
>> Farz: Got messed up bad.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: So this thing people look at as being the birth of the frivolous lawsuit.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: and basically during a time period where corporations were getting sued left and right that the public didn't like. I think the underlying reason why the public didn't like it was because they thought that dumb people or incompetent people were getting stupid rich off of being stupid. And corporations having to make payouts like this made them poorer because they would have to front the bill and higher costs, essentially. M. And as with anything, there's two arguments that could be. That could be had here, right? On the one hand, this practice by McDonald's should have been stopped after, like, the third complaint about someone burning the shadow themselves with the hot coffee. Like, that's insane. Her injuries to herself are absolutely unbelievable. Did you hear that?
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: Okay, good. On the other hand, some of the damages were actually kind of obscene. Generally speaking, what happens in these situations when lawyers are trying to file these crazy lawsuits, they look at a case that is just so beyond the pale that it has absolutely no merit being awarded the judgment it gets awarded. Stella's was in that case. Because nobody looks at a situation was like, you could, We all think it was the case, but it wasn't. The actual case was a case called Gore v. BMW. It was this doctor named Dr. Ira Gore, who bought a 5 Series BMW for $40,000 in 1990. And then later on, when he was getting the car detailed, he found out the car had been repainted before he bought it. So he was sold a brand new car, but it had been repainted. And then through discovery and through lawsuits, because this doctor had more time than anyone on earth, it was discovered that BMW had a policy that if a new car is damaged, but the damage costs less than 3% to repair than the value of the car, they would fix it and not tell the new buyer that it was damaged. So in that case, the courts awarded Ira $4,000 for the lost value of the car, but $4 million for punitive damages. And then that's what they actually filed up to the Supreme Court saying, hey, frivolous lawsuits are getting out of hand. We got to get a. Get a grip on this thing. And that was the case where they started putting multipliers on punitive damages. Can't be more than certain X more than the compensatory, damages. And so. But, like, that was kind of like the. The answer to frivolous lawsuits that really sell. Lebeck's case spawned, which, again, I don't think she did. I think she was horribly Horribly injured. And I think that the damages she was awarded in the grand scheme of how much that would have cost McDonald's and Days of coffee. So I was like, who cares? Like, yeah, like. Yeah, it wasn't. I don't know. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't think she was in the wrong.
>> Taylor: No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. She was horribly injured.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like, it is. Honestly, don't. Maybe don't Google it.
>> Farz: It's pretty badly.
>> Taylor: It's pretty bad.
>> Farz: So. So that is my story. hopefully it took your mind off of things briefly.
>> Taylor: It did. It did a little bit. Yeah.
>> Farz: Feeling better?
>> Taylor: A little bit. Lot going on.
>> Farz: Yeah. There you go. There you go.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So anytime somebody makes a joke about spilling something and getting millions of bucks, you show them that picture.
>> Taylor: Yeah. For real? Oh, Ew. God. Poor thing. That's awful.
>> Farz: So, sweet. That's my story for the day.
Do we have anything we want to report out to the, um, audience
Do we have anything we want to report out to the, audience?
>> Taylor: No, nothing has changed, really. Oh, I'm going to keep. I'm going to do some more tiktoks before I'm not allowed to anymore. And, yeah, I think that's it. Let us know, if you have any questions or thoughts. We're at doomed to fill a pot gmail.com and doomed to fill a pot on all of the social medias.
>> Farz: Please write to us. We like hearing.
>> Taylor: Please do. We'd love to hear from m. You.
>> Farz: sweet. We'll go ahead and cut things off then, Taylor. Cool, thanks.