Let's talk about one of the worst Naval disasters in US history. At the end of WWII, the United States needed to get the uranium for the atomic bomb closer to Japan. Enter the USS Indianapolis - a ship that was just repaired from a kamikaze attack in the Battle of Okinawa. Nobody onboard knew what their mission or cargo was, but it was completed without incident. HOWEVER, on the way back to Guam they were spotted by a submarine. 6 torpedos, with 2 hits later it's going to be a harrowing 4 days in the water. There are sharks! There are mental breakdowns! There are insane amounts of human suffering... As Quint said in Jaws "So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest."
Let's talk about one of the worst Naval disasters in US history. At the end of WWII, the United States needed to get the uranium for the atomic bomb closer to Japan. Enter the USS Indianapolis - a ship that was just repaired from a kamikaze attack in the Battle of Okinawa. Nobody onboard knew what their mission or cargo was, but it was completed without incident.
HOWEVER, on the way back to Guam they were spotted by a submarine. 6 torpedos, with 2 hits later it's going to be a harrowing 4 days in the water.
There are sharks! There are mental breakdowns! There are insane amounts of human suffering... As Quint said in Jaws "So, eleven hundred men went into the water. 316 men come out, the sharks took the rest."
USS Indianapolis Survivor [Edgar Harrell] Relives Horrifying Experience | Memoirs Of WWII #38 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MiEAkuRV7I
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/edgar-harrell-obituary?pid=198606682&page=2
Last Podcast on the left - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/episode-461-uss-indianapolis/id437299706?i=1000549629796
Indianapolis: The True Story of the Worst Sea Disaster in U.S. Naval History and the Fifty-Year Fight to Exonerate an Innocent Man - by Lynn Vincent and Sara Vladic - https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/indianapolis-the-true-story-of-the-worst-sea-disaster-in-us-naval-history-and-the-fifty-year-fight-to-exonerate-an-innocent-man_lynn-vincent_sara-vladic/18654203/item/33897014/
https://gcaptain.com/10-things-to-remember-if-youre-shipwrecked/
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Taylor: The air quality in LA after the wildfires is really bad
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
>> Farz: We are back, online and ready to record. Hi, Taylor, how are you?
>> Taylor: Good, how are you?
>> Farz: I'm well, I'm. Well, I'm excited that we are ending, the colder part of the season where temperatures in Texas will hopefully take a break from being in the 20s.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I, I hope so. I'm looking at my, my weather app. I know. I also got like a, an air app to look at, like, the quality of the air quality, because, like, we're doing fine out here. But man, the air quality in LA is really insane. Like, I am very. It's the people who are in those, like, deep, deep smoke areas. I'm, worried about their future, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah, it can't be good.
>> Taylor: No, it can't be good. And I. My friend Margot said something this weekend that I, like, did not even think about. I was like. I think maybe said this last week. I was like, the devastation of the fires in LA is so complete that it, like, overwhelms me. I don't really understand how, like, an entire house, like, the refrigerator's gone, like, the beds are gone. Like, what? And she goes, they're in the air. And I was like, oh, my God, you're totally right. Like, everything like that is like these buildings were made of. It's in the air now, you know?
>> Farz: That is a little freaky, isn't it?
>> Taylor: But I was like, you're totally right. And, like, that's why, like, after 9 11, like, more people have died from cancer after 911 than 911 itself. Yeah, because, like, it was in the air. A thousand Xerox machines, you know, like a thousand break rooms. All these things that you just like. I don't know, like, it's hard if you. It's a lot. It's a lot. But I was like, yeah, that's really scary.
>> Farz: Wild. I never thought about that.
>> Taylor: Yeah, either. So, anyway.
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Hi. We're in doomed. we're doomed to fail. We're never going to talk about 911 because I was there and I don't want to. But we are the podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters, epic failures twice a week, every week. And I'm Taylor with bars.
>> Farz: Welcome to our podcast. You know, last time I welcomed Taylor to her own podcast, and this week I'm gonna welcome you all to our podcast.
>> Taylor: Oh, that's nice of you. okay. I do also have a fun one that I'm excited because I know you know a lot about it, so I want to talk to you.
>> Farz: Sweet.
>> Taylor: okay. So I was worried that you were gonna do this, when you did your Open Water episode. What are their names again? Tammy, Tom and Eileen Lonergan.
>> Farz: There you go. Lanergan. That's what it is.
>> Taylor: Yeah, the Lanergan. So I was thinking that, like, you were gonna do this, but then you didn't do it last week, so I just let it go. Cause I was reading a book. But when you were thinking about your story about being lost in those seas and potentially eating by shark. Being eaten by sharks. Is there a historical situation that. That reminded you of?
>> Farz: USS Indianapolis?
>> Taylor: Yes. yes, it's the USS Indianapolis.
>> Farz: Good guess. Fars.
>> Taylor: I knew that you would know, and so I read a it called Indianapolis the True Story of the Worst sea disaster in US naval history and the 50 year fight to Exonerate an Innocent Man. Super long title. But that, but I read that I listened to the last podcast one again because they covered it as well. I have some YouTube videos I'll share. and then I also. Oh, I also have a article I'll reference later. But I, read a book and it was really good. Super interesting. and I feel like you. You know the basics, right?
>> Farz: Oh, yeah.
>> Taylor: So, I'm excited. We'll talk about.
>> Farz: I even know who was wrongly.
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Accused.
>> Taylor: We'll talk some. About some of the gory deets.
Dan Carlin has a great series about Japan post World War II
Okay, Set the scene. It's World War II, but it's not day one. It's actually near the end. So Japan surrenders on September 2nd, 1945. The bombing of. But before that. So 1945 is a big year. The bombing of Tokyo is March 9th through 10th, 1945. And I think we should talk about that sometime because that was like, they killed more people than the atomic bombs. Like the firebombing of Tokyo.
>> Farz: Yeah, I always wondered that because I was like, why do we need an atomic weapon? But it was like just the boom. We just wanted the bigger boom.
>> Taylor: I mean, you blue talk about that forever. Yeah, totally. Hitler had died in April. it is the, summer. And you know, they're. That we wanted. We want the war to end. You know, like, we want it to be over. They're like, we want to avoid a mainland raid on Japan. Japan has no. Like, they're not going to surrender. And like, they talk about This a little bit in the book. And, Dan Carlin has such a great, obviously, like, multi part season about Japan post World War II and during World War II. Have you ever listened to that?
>> Farz: I probably. I probably have. The. The only thing is, like, his shows are so long.
>> Taylor: I know. You have to listen to them like 17 times.
>> Farz: Yeah, you got to keep listening to them because otherwise, like, it's just like, what was I thinking? You started doing your grocery list like three hours in and you miss two hours of content.
>> Taylor: but he said he's quoting someone else. But he says the Japanese are like everyone else, only more so.
>> Farz: Yes, I remember this.
>> Taylor: So, like, the people in Japan are like, our emperor is from God. Like, no one would surrender all those things. And Dan Carlins is about like, that one dude who lived in the jungle for like 30 years because he couldn't. He thought that Japan was still fighting. So, but United States is like, this is. We have to figure out a way to end this war. So they decide to, as you just said, use an atomic weapon. so the Manhattan Project is secret. It's been happening. but the parts of an atomic bomb are very, like, hard to get. Obviously good. You know, you shouldn't be able to make one like, in your house. so this. They need uranium. So like, half the uranium that like, the world had ever known, they had to use on these bombs and they needed to get it from the United States to Japan. For little boy, the bomb that fell was dropped on Hiroshima. and they needed a boat to do this. And that boat was the USS Indianapolis.
>> Farz: Yep.
>> Taylor: That's why they were out there in the first place, was to bring that stuff.
The USS Indianapolis was a Portland class heavy cruiser during WWII
so a little bit about the. The USS Indianapolis itself. It is like, it looks like. I mean, it looks exactly like one of the ships in battleship, you know? Yeah, it's like a little low when it has its, like, things. Please, all of our Navy people, please don't be mad at me, but it is a Portland class heavy cruiser. It was commissioned, in 1932. It's like a low and fast ship. it's definitely armed a ton. It can shoot missiles, it can shoot guns, it can, like, do all sorts of things. it was a flagship ship for several fleets, so a lot of fleets used it. It was in. Obviously it was made in 1932, where. 1945. It's still going. It definitely. The time between 1932 and 1945 is obviously huge. And a lot of stuff happened and a lot of stuff that happened during World War II itself was learning how to build better ships. Obviously, you know, like, you're going to get really good at that as it's happening. So the, the ships that were maybe similar in, like, size and function in 1945 were built a little bit sturdier than the Indianapolis, but they were still using it, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: So it shot down a ton of planes during the war. It would go back and forth from, like, California to Guam to Hawaii to, like, other islands, like, helping out in those. In those different, like, Pacific Fleet naval battles. it was there. And I don't know the details of these two either, and I feel like there's obviously, like, a. An infinite number of things we could cover, but they were there for Iwo Jima and the battle of Okinawa, which. And I don't know exactly what those details are, but it was in both of those battles as well.
>> Farz: support off.
>> Taylor: Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I know what Indianapolis was doing, but I'm not sure what those battles were exactly about. You know, like, Iwo Jima has, like, the flag. I think the flag. Iwo Jima came off of Indianapolis, actually.
>> Farz: Maybe. So Iwo Jima was. They had to secure Iwo Jima before they could deliver the nuclear bomb over Hiroshima because it was the only, only part of making that approach that was possible for them to get shot down. So they had to take the island.
>> Taylor: Makes sense. Well, thank you. There you go. during the battle of Okinawa, the Indianapolis was struck by a kamikaze.
Taylor: I didn't know what a kamikaze pilot was
So I want to talk about what a kamikaze pilot is. And then another thing that I learned about that I hadn't been. That I hadn't realized was a thing. So obviously a kamikaze pilot is a pilot who has no intention of going back. You know, they are going to. Going to lose their life in their mission. That's what they want. They know they're going to do that. They will, like, write letters to their family and be like, I'm going off to do this for. For Japan, blah, blah, blah. It's super intense, obviously, because, like, with a group people who are definitely going to die. Not just like, maybe not probably, like, definitely. the paper that they had to sign to sign up to be a kamikaze pilot. It was like, how much do you want to do this? And it was like, are you eager or are you very eager? There's, like, the only two options.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You couldn't be like, no, I'm not interested. and so also, this is dumb. But I didn't. I assumed that the plane was the bomb. But they have bombs, you know.
>> Farz: I would have assumed the plane was a bomb, too. I did not know that.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. So I thought they would just like, you know, point at the ship and he would go in there. But really, what? at least this one, this example of a guy who. A kamikaze pilot who. Who struck the Indianapolis. They would. They went like, as close as they could, which is like, you're not coming back from that. You know, like, you're gonna be, like, all torn up. You can't fly away. And then they drop their bomb on the deck and then that plane, like, flipped to the ocean and that's where the pilot died.
>> Farz: All right, Taylor, let's play some hypotheticals here, okay?
America has been taken over by the Russians and they need 20 female pilots
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay. America has been taken over by the Russians and they are the only holdout is, like, Southern California and.
>> Taylor: Oh, nice.
>> Farz: They have 20 planes and they need 20 female only pilots. And if you don't do it, it is a sure thing that the Russians are going to take Joshua Tree. Do you do it?
>> Taylor: Do I do it? I kind of feel like no, because I'd rather. Because, like, what am I gonna do? We're gonna do it again, same thing tomorrow.
>> Farz: So here's the thing. I want to do it because I don't have kids, so I don't care, so.
>> Taylor: Well, you care about yours. You know, I. I would. Well, that would be my same reason for not doing it. Wait. Because I do have kids. I would say I'm not doing it because I have kids. Have someone without kids, do it all.
>> Farz: Farce. It's like me while I'm being tortured in a cell.
>> Taylor: I know you wouldn't make it very long in Texas. It would be over for you. yeah. No, I don't know. I don't. I feel like. No, like, I don't feel like I'm the person who's going to be like the guy in Independence Day who flies a plane into the middle of the thing, hoping that will work.
>> Farz: You don't think you're Randy Quaid?
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: Dennis. Is it Dennis or Randy?
>> Taylor: Is Randy okay?
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So anyway, that's what a kamikaze pilot is. There's also a Kai 10 pilot. Have you heard of these?
>> Farz: Yes.
>> Taylor: So do you want to tell me what it is? I want me to tell you.
>> Farz: It's the same thing, except the submarine.
>> Taylor: Yeah. It's a torpedo.
>> Farz: It's the same thing, except it's actually scarier.
>> Taylor: It's way scarier. So I. So it's a, it's a piloted torpedo essentially. And I looked at pictures of it and like it looks like a really long black bomb torpedo thing. And I was like, I couldn't even figure out where you would sit. I was like, I don't understand what this is. But you sit in the middle of it and all you have is a periscope. And you're looking up the periscope and you're guiding the missile to hit the boat. And that's it. You are the bomb.
The Indianapolis was attacked on Okinawa by a kamikaze pilot in 1945
>> Farz: Second question.
>> Farz: If you were gonna do it, what would you do on your last day before your mission?
>> Taylor: I would, I think I'd eat a lot of good food. Would be like a big one, you know, I don't think you need to talk to everybody. I would just like talk to my close people and like try to be calm, you know. what would you do?
>> Farz: Korean barbecue. I'll do Korean barbecue because I, I would just stuff myself silly.
>> Taylor: Yeah, definitely.
>> Farz: The food you like. I would do it to the extent where like I'm like now dying is probably the better outcome than to feel this full for much longer.
>> Taylor: That's good. Gives you a reason to go on.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: 100 to that last. That like that last step on this mortal plane. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that stuff's wild. the. So when the Indianapolis was attacked on Okinawa, it was hit by a kamikaze pilot. The plane dropped the plane of the, the bomb that the plane draft before it rolled to the ocean. It went through the mess hall and then through a couple layers of, of the ship and then into the ocean. So it went straight all the way through. And it killed nine people. So it was, it didn't like permanently damage it, but it did have to go back to America to get repaired after that.
>> Farz: Yep.
>> Taylor: So it's 1945, the Indianapolis is fixed and they need someone to move that uranium. It takes 10 days to get it from San Francisco to Tinian island, which is near Guam. And it was very, very secret. Like even the captain of the Indianapolis didn't know what was. What was on it. they had just like a secret box and they had two guys who were like Air Force men, I think, but they like really weren't. They were Los Alamos scientists. They were just there to, to bring it over. They did it. They left San Francisco the same day as the Trinity test. So the same day that the very first explosion happened, they were already on their way to do it. To bring it to Japan.
>> Farz: Yep.
>> Taylor: that was. They had fun trying to guess what was in it. You know, like, I don't know, maybe it's Rita Hayworth. You know, like, funny things. But it was uranium, so less. After all that. After all that. so they did get to where they wanted to go. The military scientists got off. Some of the crew changed. and then they were headed back to Guam. so they were doing that, and then they went to Guam, pick some more people up, and then they were head to the Philippines for, like, the next step. So they didn't know, like, the. By the time Indianapolis is sort of out on its own on its way to the Philippines, they're waiting for their next orders. They don't know about the nuclear bomb. They don't know what's coming. They don't know that they did the uranium. They're thinking, like, we're probably gonna have to go get a bunch of shit, come back and invade Japan. You know, that's. They're like, the war is not any sooner. That's what they're figuring out. So a few facts about this trip. The, Indianapolis was not accompanied by guards or, like, helper ships. It obviously was on the way there, so there were, like, a bunch of other ships around it, making sure that, like, you know, being extra careful about what was in the water and such, but they did not do that on the way back. They, were not going in a zigzag pattern. So there's like, a thing where you would kind of go back and forth in a zigzag as you were going to help, like, divert yourself from a submarine, being able to see you, be able to find you. They were not doing that. They were going straight, but they were. That wasn't, like, crazy. Like, they were in a spot where they felt very safe. So they were just. Odin was up to the captain, and they were going straight. It wasn't necessary. there was submarine activity in the area, though, but they didn't know. So, I mean, I can't imagine how hard it was to communicate in 1945, you know, like, to these ships anyway. Like, you're getting very little information. And, like, they just, like, didn't. They didn't know. They didn't get that information.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: and. And it was also really, really hot outside. Like, it's the South Pacific in July, so it's super humid, super hot, and there's a lot of people sleeping. Like, the men on the ship are sleeping naked on the deck because, like, what else are you gonna do? Yeah. So they're out there trying to catch the breeze. So it's nighttime, so a lot of dudes are outside.
The USS Indianapolis was attacked by a Japanese submarine at midnight on July 29
our captain, who we're gonna talk about is Captain Charles B. McVeigh III. So Captain McVay is on there. In total, there are 1195 men on the USS Indianapolis. It's July 29th. It's about 11pm and we'll go under the water to a Japanese submarine. So Japanese submarine I58 pops up for a peak. So they have to, like. We've talked about how just insanely big the ocean is and how you can't find a nuclear submarine. Just. You couldn't find one, you know, and how they can just, like, disappear. And it's really wild. So they popped up part of the periscope, and they, like, could not believe that they saw a ship. The Lieutenant Tanaka, he spots the ship. The USS Indianapolis is going 14 miles per hour. They don't know it's the Indy. They don't know what it is, but they know that it's, like, not theirs, you know. So the commander, Mokishira Hashimoto, gets the news, and, ah, it's like midnight. And he's like, we're gonna do this. Like, we don't know what this is, but we're gonna shoot at it. They. The. He said that the Kaizen pilots were like, send us. And he was like, no, I think a torpedo would be better. But, like, who knows if that really happened. But isn't that funny? I mean, like, there's no.
>> Farz: There's no way.
>> Taylor: I know. I feel like, what? Okay, did they say that? But I'm not sure, but whatever. and he shoots six torpedoes at the Indy, and two of them hit. and so I want you to think about, like, I was listening to the book about this, and I was just like, this point. I was like, whoa. Like, this is, like, this is before the in the water stuff. But it is midnight, so obviously, like, some people are awake because you have to always have someone working on these big boats. But most people are asleep. A lot of them, like I said, are asleep outside or they're asleep naked, which is, like a thing, because then they're not gonna have any clothes in the upcoming days. And they're. And the ship gets hit, and it sinks in 12 minutes. So as soon as it gets hit, it goes through, like, multi layers of, like. You know, you learned this watching Titanic. You know, like, the water kind of goes into the different compartments. Like, enough compartments Were. Were broken that the water could fill in the ship and it was going to sink and instantly, a ton of people die. You know, like, wherever it hits, those people are dead. A lot of people are stuck in the ship. A lot of people will drown in. In the ship itself. Like, as soon as it also gets hit, there's fire everywhere. You were asleep. You were just woken up. So things are on fire, including you. And then the lights go out, you know, and you're like, there's nothing. Like you're in the interior of a ship. There's no windows, you know, like, it's absolutely pitch black. It's hot anyway. You can smell oil, you can smell fire. You can hear screaming. Like you don't know which way is up. And about 300 people died in the ship, in, like, the first 12 minutes.
>> Farz: So for the record, it took the Titanic over two hours to sink. So this thing, it's very helpful. Duper.
>> Taylor: Yeah, super. That's very helpful. Yeah, super. Buses, they. So people are just, like, trapped. Like, there's terrible stories of people having, like, hearing banging. And that happened in Pearl harbor too. Have you heard those stories where you're like, they heard banging for days and they couldn't get to the guys because they were like, yes, in different parts. Like, it's terrible. So. But 300 people die in the first 12 minutes. That leaves, Oh, also, people are, like, doing things like jumping out of the boat, obviously. You know, like, B boat is on fire. They're jumping off of it, Jumping off the ship into the sea. The sea is also then full of oil. Like, it's full of the oil from the ship. It's full of debris. It's full of burning things. It's full of dying people. Some people jump into the propeller, whether either by accident or on purpose. Like in the movie Titanic. Maybe in real life Titanic, I don't know. and some of them grab what they can, but they can't. There's not, obviously not enough. Not enough time. There's no time to get out. So people. Some people have life jackets and some people have rafts. The rafts are not like, when I picture a raft, if my ship sinks, I picture, like, those big orange ones, you know, like a floor. But these aren't like that.
Nobody panicked because nobody knew which ship was sinking, Edgar Harrell says
It's just like the outside part and then a net. So you're sitting in the net. So. But you're still when you're sitting, you're, like, waist deep in water.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's really uncomfortable.
>> Taylor: Isn't that terrible? So they have some rafts and eventually they'll tie rafts together, try people. Tie people together, try to keep people afloat. there is, but most of them are just swimming, you know, the first few hours is going to be people in the pitch black, in the, huge rolling waves, like chaos everywhere. And you're just like, holding your friends while they die. Like, that's the first couple hours. Like, tons of people are just dying in the water. They're burnt. Some of them are burned so badly and they've just jumped into oil, saltwater, you know. Oh, my God, so much pain. So they must have thought, just like the Tom and Eileen, that people were coming for them. You know, we're in the Navy. We're on a huge ship. We just did something really important, like, we just need to hang on and they're gonna come and get us. The SOS guy who was supposed to put up that communication did, but nobody got it, or if they did, they never said anything. No one ever got it. No one's really clear on that. Some people later said they did get it and they told their superiors they didn't do anything. some guy said that he saw the. It's sinking from, like, another pilot said he saw it sinking, but he thought it was like a pretend naval battle. And I'm like, why would.
>> Farz: So weird that happened with Titanic too, where somebody was like, yeah, California's like, right next was like, yeah, they're probably just celebrating.
>> Taylor: Celebrating.
>> Farz: The thing is like, sideways, inside out, upside down.
>> Taylor: Like, go, go check. So, so. And eventually it's going to be four days these guys are going to be in the water because the Navy didn't know that they were missing until they found them floating in the water. And we'll go back to, like, what happened, but, like, the ship didn't reach Lady. Ah L E Y T E late is the city they're supposed to get to on July 31. No one did anything. They just, like, were like, oh, it's not here yet. Maybe it's a couple days late. And then they just had to go back and do the other stuff that they were doing. And, like, someone just, like, took it off the board and no one, no one did anything about it. after that, they created a thing called the Movement Report System to prevent such disasters in the future. I'm like, what the fuck? Why wasn't that always a thing? I understand that you have thousands of ships, but, you can't keep track of them. What are you doing?
>> Farz: Well, that's why nobody panicked was because nobody knew.
>> Taylor: No, I know.
>> Farz: Well, because there wasn't, like, a real system in place at that time.
>> Taylor: No, I know, but why wasn't there?
>> Farz: I was not in charge.
>> Taylor: I think my first thing would be like, how many ships do we have and where are they?
>> Farz: Let's see that. We should have had you in charge.
>> Taylor: I know. I feel like that's. That's my number one question for the. When I become in charge of the Navy, how many ships do we have and where the are they? Great. so anyway, no one's coming for them. Not for. No one's coming for them ever. They just happen to get found later. So these dudes are in the water. So we started with 1195 of them. 300 or so die immediately in the boat. They're gone. Now we have 895. In the next four days, 579 of them are going to die in the ocean. So I have a. I watched a video of a survivor. His name is Edgar Harrell. He passed away. He passed away a few years ago, but he was the last survivor. And these. When I say men, I think I've been saying men. I mean boys.
>> Farz: Yeah, they're.
>> Taylor: They're so young, you know, like, the oldest person there is, like, 40, you know, like everyone. And so many of them are like, I just turned 17, and I, finally get to be in the war. Like, my grandpa was about this age because he was in the Marines, but only for, like, six months because then the war ended. You know, like, he joined as soon as he could.
>> Farz: Which war? Vietnam?
>> Taylor: No, World War II.
>> Farz: Well, your grandpa was in World War II?
>> Taylor: Yeah, both. My grandpa's in World War II. Huh?
>> Farz: Yeah, I guess. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Timing wise. Okay. Sorry.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Edgar Harrell says he prayed to God and heard God speak
Yeah, so, yeah, my one by one grandpa, he joined right then because the boys wanted to go, you know, or whatever. So these boys are, like, 16, 17, 18. You know, they're. They're kids. so Edgar, he tells the story is on YouTube. I will. I encourage everyone to watch it. So, like, I am, you know, that I am someone who's like, when people say that they're talking to a higher power, I'm like, I don't believe you. Or like, that's something else going on. You know what I mean? But when Edgar Harrell says that he was talking to God and he heard God talk to him, I fucking believe him. It's like a. It's so incredible watching this man, like, yell about it and he's yelling and he's like, he's an old man in this YouTube video that I'll show you. but he's like, he goes, I heard them yelling abandoned ship. I saw the torpedoes coming towards us. I yelled to God and I said, God, I'm not going to die. I want to live. And God said, you're going to make it. And so I prayed and I prayed and I prayed and, like, it's really incredible watching this story, like, watching him say it. But his story is he saw go under. He saw the people hitting the propellers, he felt the sharks hitting him because there's water's full of sharks, which we'll talk about. and the way that he survived is he ended up swimming with some guys who wanted to swim to the Philippines. And he's like, no, that's impossible. But he was like, let's just start moving. And then, like, he went with them and he found a crate of, like, rotten potatoes. And he's. He, like, dug through the rot and ate the. Ate the raw potato. And, he was so, like, overwhelmed and grateful and that helped him and his friends survive. And, like, one of his friends was like, wanted to just let go. And he, like, tied himself to him and was like, you can't do that. Like, whatever. And then talked about being saved. And anyway, it's really incredible. And, Yeah, I'll share with you. You should watch it.
>> Farz: You can eat raw potatoes. And I get sick.
>> Taylor: I feel like, yeah, I don't do it. But if you're in the middle of ocean and you're starving, then, yes.
>> Farz: Toxicity from solo 9 digestibility. I mean, it's not good for you. You shouldn't do it. But, yeah, I guess in the situation. Yeah, it's not recommended.
>> Taylor: No, thanks. I don't like videos. Yeah, so anyway, watch that. It's great.
There's severe dehydration and exposure from extreme heat and sun
But so there's, so many stories of the men who are in the water. Right. So also there's several different groups led by different guys. And the waves are huge. Like, the swells are huge. And they're in the middle of the ocean, so, like, they're getting pulled further and further apart. And eventually they're like miles apart from each other when they're found, you know, and like, miles away from where it sank even. Yeah, because. Because, like, the, water even, like, that was when you're on the beach, you, like, all of a sudden you're like, oh, I'm way farther away from my umbrella than I thought it was, you know, like, so they're really being pulled apart a Lot of the men are like, horribly burned still. And then what happens while they're there for the next couple days is there's like, obviously severe dehydration and exposure. So the. It's hot during the day, it's cold at night. So you have like the extreme heat, the sun. The dehydration also, like, dehydrates your eyes. So a lot of them, like, their eyes were so dry from the fire and the seawater and the sun that they were like, they couldn't close their eyes.
>> Farz: Yeah, this was the worst part.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So they were just like, their faces were just like sunburned and like trapped.
>> Farz: And terrible and like, It's like hurting me to like, think of. He's getting like, you can't close your eyes and you're having oil salt water spot. It's like.
>> Taylor: Yeah. You're just getting brutalized by the sun. And like, the longer you're in salt water, like, your skin starts to fall off.
>> Farz: Just go down, just go underwater and take a breath.
>> Taylor: And a lot of people did, you know, like, if you weren't tied to a raft and you didn't have your vest and the vests. Vests were getting waterlogged after a couple days. You know, some dudes are just swimming. A lot of them just let go. You know, like.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: What are you gonna do? Especially. Because then it starts to be those sharks, those white tip sharks that we talked about. and they would start bumping people and then they start. Because they're around, because they smell the dead people, obviously.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, so the sharks come and they start eating the dead bodies, which is great, but dead bodies don't, like, go away. Like, you can't just like, push a guy away and he'll like, go, you know, like, they're kind of bobbing around.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's funny. It's funny how, like, the current will take you super far away from where you want to be.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: But won't take the things that you don't want near you away from you.
>> Taylor: It keeps you all like, bobbed together.
>> Farz: It's like anytime in a pool and there's like a dead bug and do the thing where you splash a little bit, like, get it to go the other way. And then you look over in like a minute and it's like right next to you.
>> Taylor: Have you heard, like, someone say, like, how many dead bodies? Is, it okay for you to be in a body of water, for you to swim in it? Because, like, obviously you're like, zero but, like, the ocean is just full of dead bodies.
>> Farz: It's true.
>> Taylor: You know?
>> Farz: It's true. But if you find that. But you can, Yeah, you can apply that logic more so to your, like, apartment, Swimming pool.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, no, no, of course, that's.
>> Farz: Where it gets problematic.
>> Taylor: That's where one is too many.
>> Farz: Yeah, right.
>> Taylor: Or like, a body part, I think, would even be too much for me. but anyway, so they. The sharks start coming, right? And they start, like, bumping people's feet. They start, like, chomping at people. And once you start bleeding, they're people you gotta get. You gotta leave the group because you're bleeding, you know? So, like, some guys are together, and then one guy gets bit by a shark, and they like, push him out of the group, and, like, they've let the guy, like, go and swim away and just die, because they don't. They can't help him. And they. He's gonna attract more sharks, you know, and eventually people would just start getting, like, pulled down because they were like, my whole body was an open wound anyway, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And so anywhere between, like, 30 and 150 people were killed directly from. From sharks and the shark attacks. And just imagine, like, during the day, at night, you're. It's an. The whole entire night, you have to bob up and down in the water. You're in a ton of pain, and, like, sharks are everywhere. Obviously, I watched. I bought Jaws and I watched. Of course, I didn't finish watching it, but, But you know what I mean? Like, God, how scary.
>> Farz: that is, Quint. I mean, the story we're telling is Quinn's story from Jaws, obviously.
>> Taylor: Yeah. so there's sharks, there's dehydration, there's exposure, there's salt, water poisoning from drinking seawater. Because you get to a point where you're like, why is it super unfair that I'm dying of dehydration and covered in water? You know? So you think your body thinks, like, oh, I'm gonna try this. So you drink it. They're like, oh, they drink more of it, and then you just, like, die, you know, because you can't do that. there is a little bit. People were kind of like going crazy, obviously, mentally, like, hallucinating, seeing things.
Before passing judgment, you got to be in that situation
They were hurting each other. They were like, there's stories. And I know they mentioned this last podcast of people, like, violently, sexually assaulting each other and trying to eat each other and trying to drink each other's blood and just, like, going, like, losing Their minds in the sea, which, like, I don't know, seems fair. Like, I mean, everyone is, Is you. No one's probably. No one's coming, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah, I guess you got to be, in any. Before passing judgment, you got to be in that situation, like, know what.
>> Taylor: Exactly. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. Like, it's like the, the, the emotional mental strain is like crazy and we'll see after this. Like, several of the survivors die by suicide because. I don't know, because it's hard, you know, like, so many bad things happened.
G Captain says you can drink turtle blood to survive on desert island
but I did also want to see, like, could you drink blood to survive? And I looked it up. I found a website called G Captain and it had a list of things to do if you're ever stuck on an island. And so regarding blood, you should not drink urine, seawater, or bird blood specifically. But turtle blood is good, nutritious and salt free.
>> Farz: So that's got to be so gross.
>> Taylor: No, totally. But I'm just saying you can drink turtle blood. Don't drink people blood, but you can drink turtle blood.
>> Farz: Do we know why you can't drink people blood?
>> Taylor: I think it's the salt because they say specifically on this website that turtle. It says turtles are an easy catch and make for excellent meals. Their blood is good, nutritious, salt free drink. Their flesh is tasty and filling. Their fat has many uses. And the castaway this is for if you're on desert island, will find turtle eggs a real treat. Mind the beak and the claws.
>> Farz: I've never had turtle and I don't want to.
>> Taylor: No, no, no. This is definitely not a plan. But I'm saying hopefully this will save someone's life. Fars.
>> Farz: Got it, Got it.
>> Taylor: This information that I'm sharing right now.
>> Farz: Thank you.
>> Taylor: Trying to save a life in the future. so also obviously like with that, like people are having hallucinations and like severe psychological trauma. they were, you know, people were like, I think the ship is here. The ship is just like 10ft under the water. We just got to go down and get it. And they would like swim around or like, guess what's going on over here. Like, I see a ship, I see an island. I'm gonna go. Or I'm just gonna go. And they would just like start swimming. And many of them drowned that way because they were just like you know, losing their minds, like losing their, their grasp on reality. some of them, like once, like I said, once someone started to bleed, whether from a shark or from another kind of wound, they were attracting more sharks. So a lot of the groups made PAC kill people who were bleeding and, like, so that they would, like, stop actively bleeding. and they did that, you know, and so you would, like, have to kill your friends. And this is like, all this stuff is so traumatic. and a lot of them just gave up. Like I said, like you were saying, a lot of them just drowned because of exhaustion. And they were like, fuck, this absolute hell that we're in right now.
>> Farz: You know, Meanwhile, they're like 18 years old.
>> Taylor: Meanwhile, they're 18 years old, and they need the ones to survive. They have to go, like, live a whole life, you know, like, oh, my God. so it's four days of this of just, like, people, and most of the guys out there are going to die. So 5, 579 of them die in the water, 316 come out. So there's not. There's, you know, more dead people than alive people in this floating horror show. and then it's just. Honestly, just luck. So on 1025. At 10:25am on August 2nd, Lt. Wilbur Gwynn was flying a PV1 Ventura and saw them bobbing around. And, like, the bobbing is also insane. They're going up and down so high. So, like, a lot of them are even seasick on top of this, you.
>> Farz: Know, like, it couldn't get any worse.
>> Taylor: Because you're bobbing on top of this. And so he sees him and he's like, what the fuck is that? You know, and, like, the chances are almost zero that anyone would have seen them. And this is, like, another thing that they say in last podcast at the end that is, like, how many times in history did this happen where, like, we never found them? You know, like, all the people that died in a ghost ship, they just, like, you know, probably took the boat for whatever reason and starved to death out in the sea. And then, you know, they're in the ocean somewhere, 100%, you know, so, like, so many times, like, people were alive for a week, you know, and then, like, they died. Like, we don't know their story, so it's crazy that they were found at all. but when Lieutenant Gwyn goes, like, radios into command, he's like, I see people bobbing around, and they're like, who could that be? What are we missing? You know, like, finally you're like, oh, the Indianapolis didn't come. to her. Supposed to be. And, like, realize what it was. But they were pulling the guys out of the water and asking them what ship they were from. They didn't know, you know, which would make me so freaking mad. I'd be like, you weren't looking for us.
>> Farz: Yeah, well, they probably knew protocol.
>> Taylor: Well, the protocol should have been like, they're not where they're supposed to be, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah, but you just. We just determined, they. They didn't know when somebody wasn't where they were supposed to be.
>> Taylor: I know, but, like, they.
>> Farz: They should have.
>> Taylor: Could have been. They should. Someone could have said something. Like, they didn't. They didn't always do that. Like, at some point, sometimes people were like, hey, where's the ship? You know?
>> Farz: Right, right.
>> Taylor: Like, it just wasn't a protocol. It's not like someone couldn't have been like, by the way, this isn't. Didn't come in, you know?
Some people died while being rescued from the Indianapolis; others survived
Anyway, so the. They call it other planes. And there's a plane flown by a pilot named Adrian Marks, and he has the best freaking pilot picture I've ever seen in my life. I can't wait to share it with everyone. He has, like, the big, like, leather jacket with, like, the big fur collar, and, like, he just looks great. but he comes in with his patrol plane, and he sees them, and he's like, I'm gonna lose them if I don't have eyes on them, you know, because it's so easy to lose people. And there are people who, like, saw them come over, and they're like, I hope they find us. You know, one pilot said that he saw someone swimming, and, like, he never saw that person again. You know? Like, so some people died, like, while they're being rescued. but the pilot, Marks, he lands the plane in the water, even though he's not supposed to, you know, because he's like, I got to get them out of the water. So he, like, puts his plane down, has it, like, hit a wave to kind of, like, I don't know, make it not explode. And he lands the plane in the water, and he's never going to be able to fly it again. but he just, like, hoped for the best, landed, and now it's floating, and he's able to pick up 56 men out of the water. And. And he has so many people on the plane that he ends up bungee cording them to the wings while they're floating.
>> Farz: Is that real? I heard that, too.
>> Taylor: It's real. They don't fly away like that, but it is real that he had to put people out on the wings like you did. Like, they did on the Hudson River. You know, they had people on the wings.
>> Farz: Okay. The way some, versions of this made it sound was that they took off with them on the wings.
>> Taylor: No, that plane never took off again. No, it's actually going to be sunk that day. Like, they're going to sink. That plane is one of the last things they do in the recovery, because they can't recover it, so. Yeah. So. But he does. He does save a lot of folks that way. Soon, seven other boats come, and are able to take everybody back to Guam. One thing they did, which is really fucked up, is they sent a telegram to all of the families and said, like, before they were able to telegram individual families, they put out, like, a press release that the Indianapolis had sunk and there were 100 casualties.
>> Farz: That's. But, like, they should have.
>> Taylor: That's. That should have taken. Taken a beat and checked, you know? So obviously, like, a lot of people were like, oh, my God. And then people started to get, like, notes that people are okay. So then more people had hope, and, like, all these things was just like, that. That was wrong. Like, they should have been like, hold on. but they were reunited when they could be reunited. and then. And then the. The guys just, like, some of them left the military. Some of them stayed in the military. They did. They do. Well, they don't anymore because they're all dead. They're all dead now. But they did a bunch of, of, like, reunions. They'd get together just to, like, have someone to talk about it with. A lot of them, you know, of that generation in general, don't talk about their feelings. And, like, PTSD wasn't a thing. You called it shell shock, and you'd really get over it, you know? But you're like, how do you sleep again after this?
>> Farz: How do you get in a pool again?
>> Taylor: yeah, you probably don't.
>> Farz: How do you take a bath again?
>> Taylor: You probably barely shower. You probably, like, if. Yeah, the, The thought of any of these things, like, probably, it's. I mean, yeah, I feel like even any movement that felt like being on a boat, I feel like you'd freak out. So, like, I don't know how you survive this, but m. But they are going to go on. Like, some of them, like I said, do die by suicide pretty early, but, But a lot of them, you know, grow into old men.
But then what happened after Indianapolis sank and everyone was saved
But then what happened after Indianapolis sank and everyone was saved? or the 316 of them were saved. the captain, who I hadn't mentioned before he survived. I don't feel like I have stories of Captain McVay in the water, but, like, he was in the water.
>> Farz: He was. Yeah, yeah. He was part of one of the groups, because they weren't all together.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: Like, I mean, they were like.
>> Taylor: Right, that's what I was saying. It was over several miles, and he.
>> Farz: Was, like, part of one of those groups, kind of leading them in.
>> Taylor: Yeah, but he, like. So he was like a decorated Navy guy. He'd been doing it for a very long time. and the Navy decided that it was his fault that this happened, and they took him to trial. He was charged with two things. Failing to zigzag that defensive maneuver talked about, and failing to abandon ship in a timely manner. He had sunk in 12 minutes exactly. There was so little time, and, like, they. So many people were, like, witnesses, and a lot of the men were like, what? It wouldn't matter. Like, he needed, like, two seconds to figure out what was going on, you know, and then, like, the communication systems were all dead. So it's not like, even when you're on the boat itself, you can hear me. When I'm in the front of the boat, you're on the back of the boat. You know, like, there's a thousand people here. It's not like. Like, it was hard to even get that out, you know, like, plenty of people didn't even hear the abandoned ship and jumped, like, yeah, whatever. So he was, on trial. And in December 1945, so not like the same year. Did you do how they brought to D.C. to be in the part of.
>> Farz: The trial, the Japanese submarine captain.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Hashimoto isn't insane. Like, it's insane to me because why.
>> Farz: Would he do it?
>> Taylor: It's so stupid. It's so stupid. You know, like, this man is, like, gonna kill a thousand of us for no reason. And then a couple months later, we spend thousands of dollars to bring him over here to put one of our people on trail. You know, Also, why would you go.
>> Farz: Yeah, why would you go to an adversarial country like, that? You had a part in killing a lot of their.
>> Taylor: And it was like Nuremberg trial time. Like, I don't know. And like, he also, like, he. They also, like, did a bunch of, like, really stuff that I think is so bizarre. They were like, well, I mean, obviously this is. Well, they were like, can he swear in a Bible that he's going to tell the truth? And they're like, well, he doesn't believe in the Bible. He's Shinto. And they're like, well, does he have any morals if he's Shinto? And he was like, yeah, I know, I know not to lie under oath. I was just like, oh, my God, we made all this stuff. You guys are so stupid. You know, like, whatever. So Hashimoto is there and he testified that zigzagging would not have mattered. He. He had. He would have been able to get him anyway. Another. Other submarine captains on that were us summary captains said the same thing. The zigzagging was not the failure to zigzag was not the reason it happened. It was just wrong place, wrong time.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, but he was court martialed and then his sentence ended up being remitted and he retired 1949 as a rear admiral. But Captain McVeigh is going to feel bad about this, like, obviously forever. He wrote letters to every single family of the people that. That died on the ship. And he did it, like, as a good gesture. But then the problem was they all got his return address and he got hate mail for the rest of his life. one example is Merry Christmas. Our family's holiday would be a lot merrier if you hadn't killed my son.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, and like, it's rough. And he would meet with the survivors and like, he didn't go to some of their, like, conventions because there were a couple things where, like, a lot. These guys obviously didn't talk about it. And so there was one guy who was like, you know, I remember my friend and I wonder how he's doing. And so they had to, like, find this guy because it was the 50s, you know, and they, like, drove to his house and found him and they were like, listen, if you can find me, we can find more people. And, they would have reunions and like, m. They went to those. But eventually the whole thing was just too much. And he died by suicide in 1968. He shot himself in on the porch of his house and laid there for like an hour still alive before someone found him. And then he died in the hospital, which is terrible.
>> Farz: Man. Some people just have to go through the worst. I know there's some people who, like, live to be like 100 years old and then die pleasantly in their sleep. And then this guy went through, like, these two.
>> Taylor: All these things. Yeah. And all just like the regular war stuff, you know. So, in 1996, a six. A sixth grade student named Hunter Scott, just like a dude who now works for the Navy, because he's grown but he read a book about it and he was like, this is crap like this. It doesn't sound like it was the, captain's problem at all. Like, it wasn't his fault. so he, you know, met with this congressman like you were encouraged to do in the 90s.
McVay was exonerated for the loss of USS Indianapolis in 2000
And, it ended up having another hearing. And they invited more submarine captains, more, people to come in and talk about, like, what had happened. And his name, McVay's name was, it was fully cleared in October 2000. That took it away from his, record and said he was exonerated for the loss of Indianapolis. and Bill Clinton signed the resolution. it also noted that, like, obviously the Indianapolis wasn't the only ship to sink during World War II. Zero other captains were to blame.
>> Farz: Well, it's the fact that, like, he survived if he'd been dead.
>> Taylor: Well, others survived as well.
>> Farz: No, no, I know, I know, but I'm saying, like, other ship captains, if they had, like, if they survived, they also probably wouldn't persecuted.
>> Taylor: No, no, they weren't. So I'm saying.
>> Farz: Oh, oh, okay.
>> Taylor: Like, this wasn't the. He was the only captain to be court martialed for the loss of his ship due to enemy action. It happened a lot.
>> Farz: It wasn't just.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it was. He wasn't the only one who lived like other people did, but he was the only one who was like. They just, like, wanted to, like, do something with this, with this tragedy. And I think probably, probably this is definitely the one that had, like, the most trauma and the most story behind it, you know, obviously, because, like, once they get out of there, like, oh, my God, they were attacked by sharks for four days, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Other people were, like, found immediately. I think a lot of it was maybe cover up their own mistakes as well, being like, we should have known. and then so that. That happened, other things that had happened, since then. So he. His. He's been cleared. and there was a nuclear submarine called the USS Indianapolis. And the captain of submarine, when that submarine was retired in the 90s, he invited all of the survivors so that they could also watch that retire. Like they were like sister ships, which was very nice, very nice to him to do that. and then I wouldn't go on that. like, they were like old men by that time. They weren't going on it. They were just, like, there for the ceremony, you know, just to be like, okay, like, it's the thing anyway. I just want to, like, say goodbye to it. the Indianapolis has actually been found. and it was found in 2001 by, like, a Microsoft billionaire. Who was it?
>> Farz: Paul Allen.
>> Taylor: Paul Allen, yeah. Yeah. He did the USS Indianapolis project and wanted to find it. Find it, and he found it. so they were able to, like, you know, take detailed pictures of it and all of that, and they know kind of what had happened to it. more from that as well. But. But they did find it in the end, which is kind of cool that they found it after all that time.
>> Farz: Wow. It's over three miles deep.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: On the side of an underwater mountain. Why is everything so scary?
>> Taylor: Underwater is so freaking scary.
>> Farz: What is it even.
>> Taylor: I know, I know. That is so deep. Nervous, just, like, sitting here dark and so scary. I feel like I have something else that I wanted to tell you, but I can't remember what it is. But. Yeah, so that's it. The. The. All of the survivors are. Are gone now. But, a lot of them stayed in touch, which is. Which is very nice. And. Oh, another thing is, at one of the, one of the reunions, Hashimoto's family came after Hashimoto had died. Like, his. His wife and his daughter and his grandkids came to a reunion as well. And they, like, the people were like, like, you're part of the story too. And, like, the kids played together, which is just like, you know, another war, stupid thing. Like, wow. Like, I can't believe it. Like, your grandparents were trying to actively kill each other. Now you're playing together. Why did we do all that?
>> Farz: you know, I probably. If I was the family, I'd be like, I don't need to make this trip.
>> Taylor: but they did. And, like, everyone, like, felt better because of it, you know, which I think is great. And like. But it just brings up the. What was the point of all that?
>> Farz: You know, I think it was to stop Nazi Germany.
>> Taylor: I know it was, but, like.
>> Farz: I think that's the reason why we did that.
>> Taylor: But, like, to die, like, a couple months before the end of the war, you know, like, it just. In all the people. The point. I don't know, be nicer to each other. And it's like.
>> Farz: It's like dying of old age, like, a month before we discover the secret to, like, forever life.
Taylor: I'm scared of the ocean. When I look at the picture of Indianapolis, I feel afraid
>> Taylor: Yeah. Like, what a bummer. The poor, poor families and all those poor boys, you know, they're just all so young and, like, want to serve the country. it's. It's the war. It's almost over, you know, Like. Or at least, like, we know by that time, at least they knew, like, Germany was done all that stuff. And. Yeah. I mean, I look. When I look at the picture of Indianapolis, I feel like I'm afraid to be on that boat in the middle of the ocean on it. Like, I'm, Regardless, you know, like, of the sinking. I'd be so scared. It seems so small in the middle of the ocean, you know? Does that make sense? Yeah, like, I just.
>> Farz: But again, like I said, there's some things I think me and you are just not.
>> Taylor: No writing that. Obviously, I did not join the Navy, and I don't have any plans to, so cross that off my list. Unless Russia attacks, where are they gonna put me? I'm not anywhere near any water.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's your point.
>> Taylor: Yeah. but, yes, that is it.
>> Farz: Very fun. Very fun. Very scary. Very fun, though.
>> Taylor: So scary.
>> Farz: Lots of interesting stories. and a good reminder, as you mentioned, war is stupid, so let's stop doing it.
>> Taylor: Good. You know what? We should tell people that.
>> Farz: Listen to us. We should define policy.
>> Taylor: M. That's. We got some. We got some good ideas. yeah, so that's. That's my story. Watch Jaws again. It's great. I'm, gonna finish it. Maybe I'll finish it tonight. It's so good. And be careful if you are in. In the ocean down there, make sure you're the best person on the cruise as well. And on the Navy ship, they're like, captain, do you think you'd miss me the most if the ship sank so that the captain would, like, know to find you if the ship is sinking?
>> Farz: I mean, the only lesson I learned here is if you're ever in this situation, try to die as fast as possible. As soon.
>> Taylor: As fast as possible. As fast as possible. And, yeah, because, you know, like. Like the last podcast guy said, like I said, like, God, how many people were, like, holding on and lived for like, a week and a half, you know, in the ocean, and then died? Like, yeah, the human spirit and all of the things. But, yeah, cool. Thank you. I have one thing to share. My friend Abby from this weekend is an artist, and she, like, listens to shows, and she was like. She does, like, a little a thing where she, like, draws pictures and writes words and, like, does, like, a little visualization of the things she's listening to. So, like, when she's in a meeting, she'll do it, and when she listen to a podcast, she do it. And she did it for our Merely Ayra episode. And it's really cool. So I'm gonna show you, and I can't wait to show everybody.
>> Farz: Sweet. That's awesome.
>> Taylor: Like, fun quotes and stuff. So thank you, Abby, for doing that. And, that's all I have, I think. Oh, and, oh, my God, I have one more thing. Kiara, our longtime listener and friend, sent me the nicest message today. just to check in and make sure that I was okay. And it was very kind and heartfelt, and thank you.
>> Farz: sweet. Anything else, Taylor?
>> Taylor: no, thank, you, everyone. we have some, What do we have? Oh, I wanted to say that I have, I'm starting to think about my Women's History Month stuff that I'm really excited for. So, looking forward to march for that. And then I have something fun that I've been listening to. The historical fiction book, this week, and I'm listening to in the card is really good. So, like, it gives me a good, like, base for my topic next week. So I'm excited. So if you have any cool things you want to hear about or learn about or feedback or, anything, please let us know. We're doomed to failpod@gmail.com and, doomed M to fail pod and all the socials.
>> Farz: Sweet. Thanks, Taylor. Thanks, all. Have a great day.