Today, we are re-releasing the story of Scott and Laci Peterson. If you were around, then you remember! We are 99% sure that Scott, an idiot, is responsible for this horrible crime. What do you think about this classic true crime story?
Today, we are re-releasing the story of Scott and Laci Peterson. If you were around, then you remember! We are 99% sure that Scott, an idiot, is responsible for this horrible crime. What do you think about this classic true crime story?
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hi everyone Taylor from Doom to fail here is a late Sunday re-release for you this is episode 17 part two on Scott and
Lacy Peterson this is when we were doing like very classic True Crime and history episodes about couples so obviously um
these two are are going to come up there's like 99% of me that knows that Scott did this and then there's the 1%
of me that is like he was a terrible husband and he was stupid but he was also just like a
27-year-old kid over his head and there's that thing where like other
pregnant women in the area had gone missing so I think since this episode um
one of the Innocence projects has taken up his case which absolutely does not mean that he is Innocent but it means they're going to take a second look at
it so I don't know that's you know interesting to see how that might unfold um as a reminder we have our first 26
episodes we did two stories per episode and then they got pretty long so now release Mondays and Wednesdays um
usually two separate episodes per week but we decided to re-release all of our old ones as separate episodes as well so
um next week we'll be back with um we releasing episode 18 so episode 18 is on
Bernie teed and Ed and Lorraine Warren so widely different stories but two
really fun ones too so look for those next week but for now here is the story of Scott and Lacy Peterson as a matter
of the people of the State of California versus or James Simpson case number ba09
and so my fellow Americans ask not what your country can
do for you ask what you can do for your [Music]
country thank you for sharing that story I'm going to transition us over to the True Crime side of today's stories and
through the power and magic of audio editing nobody's going to know that I totally screwed up the original link for
the for this call perfect perfect per I uh I'm heading back into spousal
death territory today right it'll be really exciting one so this one's a pretty Infamous one it's kind of long
ago enough to where you know I don't know it doesn't hit as hard as some of more recent ones I do I'm going to cover
someone that gets confused with somebody else I covered already in the past so you know it's California and you know it
this guy gets confused with somebody else in the past Taylor do you know who I'm talking about is Scott Peterson yeah
yeah the cool guy himself the coolest coolest dude in the world that that blonde the blond cool dude yeah ready
this case like I said it's a while ago this case is from 2002 but it received renewed attention recently when some
jury Miss conduct during the during Scott's original trial was discovered yeah and his sentence was
appealed this like literally just happened uh like five six months ago so
it's pretty recent but spoiler alert Scott is still in jail so the latest attempt at Freedom also didn't work so
best let's get into our main character starting starting with the man himself
Scott Peterson at the time of these crimes Scott was 30 years old he was originally from San Diego his parents
had six kids in total but Scott was the only one they had together so a lot of half sibl ohep siblings I like that's
okay yeah totally yeah I mean what two three and then there's one that you have together
so so Scott one thing to his credit is he was a born golfer he was incredibly
incredibly good at golfing he consistently ranked near the very top of golfers in his age bracket and even won
a golf scholarship eventually to Arizona State University cool okay so here's
where I'm going to start in on my editorial stance on my opinions of this
guy okay right off the bat I'm going to [ __ ] two things that annoy me okay here
Iona State University and being exceptionally good
at golf at a young age oh my God that's so funny tell me
why okay so during this time period when Scott would have been at ASU Playboy
magazine ranked it as a top party school in the country I knew that about it yeah
okay I just picture fraternities frat Bros I picture a lot of popped
collars yes you know yeah I feel I mean I I it it was
always portrayed as a place to me that you don't necessarily go to to
learn party I don't know if that's really true but that was the reputation and probably because of that article you
mentioned well it's also self- selecting right so like if if Playboy says it's a party school then who goes to that
school exactly yeah there's not a lot of Einstein's graduating from ASU although
maybe look if you went to ASU God bless you maybe it's turned into a good school now but it's just like when I think
about it I just think of like girls in bikinis and guys pouring terrible beer
on them I don't think about like academics and rigor of that sort yes
when it comes to the golf bit I will admit a I don't play golf
I've tried it I don't like it and I will admit that I'm actually really impressed by people who are
really really good at golf because it is so difficult to get good at it is deceptively hard to golf have you ever
golf Taylor um I've like mini golfed I've never like actually golfed it's so hard
it's like yeah you're you're using a stick to hit a tiny ball hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of yards towards a
tiny tiny little hole with like a bunch of [ __ ] in the middle of it with trees and like sand traps and lakes that
usually have alligators in them like it's crazy difficult so it's actually really impressive when someone's really good at it my issue is he was his dad
was really good too he was beating his dad at golf by the time he was 14 years old
which is just weird is is that is it is that weird like is that like no that's
great a 14-year-old boy can be grown-up sized I don't know I feel like but like
like I don't if I I don't so again I don't have kids so I don't know what this is like but I'm like go go WR
go go play baseball go play basketball go to theater school like golf why why
why is your socialization activity in your athletic Endeavors putting you in the same category as 67y old dentists
like I go hang out with your own type like go hang out with your own type that
sounds really bad I have to edit that out oh my God so okay Tiger Woods turned
professional by the age of 20 so I feel like you know he was obviously I mean I didn't watch the movie but like
obviously he was like very stressed out his whole entire life but he um definitely did it his whole life the
Serena and Venus Williams turned Tennis Pros at the age of 14 like but you don't
think that tennis is different than golf tennis and golf are both very Posh Sports I don't I've never been to a
tennis match hold on have you you've never been to a tennis match no okay do you know who like some of the better
tennis players are yeah okay are any of them 68 years old no okay so you're
saying everybody's old in golf yeah but but that gives them a long time to be I mean I don't care this
isn't this is going a hell to die on I get it I get it I get it to me though to me though it's just like there's something about him where it's like you
tie ASU and the golf thing you're just like I mean if you already don't like him then like that's gonna yes that
might put you over the top indeed okay I'm going to keep Haring on the golf thing CU he was crazy good at this so
when he was at ASU cuz again he got a to ASU for golfing and he was in the same
golf team he was on the same golf team as Phil mikkelson who if you don't know is probably one of the most famous and
recognizable golfers in the country yeah he's like it's Tiger Woods Phil Mickelson
basically Scott got kicked off the team because he took a kid named Chris couch
who was also on the team drinking when Chris was underaged and Chris's dad
complained because you know he complained to the coach of the golf team and got Scott kicked off the team because he was
just a helicopter dad right he was like my kids trying to become good at golfing and you have a another golfer on this
team who's just taking a kid out getting him hammered he's a bad influence kicking this guy out of the team which he did Chris was actually really good so
he also ended up becoming a professional golfer on the PGA tour Scott was in the same ranks as these two professional
golfers wow that I mean that's impressive despite of all the [ __ ] I literally just talked well that's what I
mean nobody said right I can I can talk [ __ ] no I know so later he would bounce
around to a few other universities because at that point he got kicked out of ASU because the golf scholarship went away when he got go kicked off the team
he eventually would graduate with a degree in agricultural business that was what he focused on while he was in
college Scott worked at a restaurant and while working at that restaurant he met a girl named Lacy Denise Roa I think
it's Roa it's r o c h roacha or Roa it's Roa right yeah okay she was also a
college student at this time and she was studying hor horiculture the two would get friendly and eventually start dating
they'd move in together and in 1997 got married was a pretty quick turnaround time yeah and they're really young and
they're really young super super young Scott would take a job selling fertilizer and well I sorry I wrote I
think he took a job for a company that manufactures fertilizer I don't maybe he
was like back of half back of a house doing p&l statements or he was selling fertilizer I'm not 100% sure he made
good money it sounds like he made about $5,000 a month and that was in like 1997 money so it that's probably like $110,000 a month now give or take yeah
totally uh Lacy took up substitute teaching and that was kind of their their lives uh around this time they
would also buy a house in Modesto California and two years later Lacy
would get pregnant with a due date that will become relevant later on a February 10th
2003 in November of 2002 Scott would meet his future mistress do you remember
her name no Amber fry Amber fry yeah who he told was single he told her he's
single when they met so obviously December 23rd 2002 would be
the last time anyone would see Lacy alive we know that we know that she was alive up till 8:30 p.m. on December 23rd
of that day because her mom and her spoke on the phone and her sister saw her in person in the hair salon she
worked at so December 23rd 2002 8:30 p.m. last time she's ever heard of again so I'm going
to get into what Scots versions of the events are but let's start with what we know for sure because Scott's version is
a little wishy-washy on April 13th 2003 so just
under 4 months from her disappearance a couple was walking near the shores of San Francisco Bay when they stumbled on
the decomposing body of a late term male fetus was the shore I know I know I read
that and was just like oh like it's so clinical you know it just I don't know it sounds worse saying it that way it
does oh that's awful the next day so April 14th someone else found the body
of a woman woman washed up about a mile from where the fetus was discovered her head and her limbs were
missing 4 days later DNA testing would confirmed that these were the bodies of lacy Peterson and the son that they had
decided to name Connor mhm they were obviously autopsy mostly everything came back in conclusive they've been in the
water for so long you know it's tough to nail things down how did he get out of
her yeah so this is this is the part that's kind of gross um during the
autopsy it was clear that her cervix was intact so something ripped her stomach
open and the baby was extracted that way like an an an an animal or like an
animal or like maybe there's like underwater water flow happening that like just smash her against a rock and then it's
severed her like I mean look this is the ocean there's like 80 million ways to be killed by it and so it could have been
an animal it could have been just currents and rocks and things like that oh my God but they the only thing that
they do know for sure is the baby died in utero so Lacy died baby dies mhm they
go in the water somehow some way definitely not through natural birth her
the baby is extracted from her body wow her body was really badly messed up her
body was really messed up so like she had all kinds of broken everything like I said her limbs were missing yeah there
was no assumptions that the person who killed her took her limbs or did this themselves this is all natural like well
natural it was all nature that did this oh that's like that is that the beach that where like feet always come up I'm
sure I I so it is the same Coast it's the same Coast but I think that that beach is actually in Canada so I think
got a little further north and it's up there near BC area Vancouver area that makes sense yeah yeah and that's just
because of the same thing cuz like people die in the water and then like their whole body gets ripped apart but their feet stay in their shoes is that
what happens yeah it's cuz like the the shoe like kind of protects your foot so while like the rest of your body is getting eaten by animals and like busted
along rocks and stuff like eventually your ankle will break off but your foot will stay in your shoe and the shoe will
Flo away yeah there there was so many clinical things that were going on here so apparently the reason the kid wasn't so messed up
was because it didn't it was still wrapped around the um the right I was going to say the sack and everything the sack
we're so scientific here whatever it's called that was still there placenta yeah so the baby was actually weirdly
preserved I mean this thing been dead for like four months in the ocean and it would they could still figure out all the details of it Lacy they couldn't
like that was I mean she was just goo at that point yeah not good yeah
Scott told police so here we're getting into his side of it so Scott told police that the morning of December 24th
remember last she was heard of was the 23rd he left to go golfing and Lacy was
watching a Martha Stewart show he said he came home later that afternoon found the house empty and Lacy's stepfather
would ultimately be the one that ends up reporting Lacy missing to the police so Scott isn't even the one who did it also
like isn't it Christmas Christmas Place it was Christmas Eve yeah I said people must be
like expecting her to come over for Christmas or something yeah well so I'm going to get into there's um the the
Peterson Family does a lot of bending over backwards to try and find justifications for why he's innocent that the point you're raising is one of
those points that they also there's a whole separate section about this I do I also have some theories so continue yeah
I would love to hear them because it is it is the lack of evidence here is very very interesting
yeah so two lead detectives Alan Brock rockini and John ber went to the house
and immediately suspected Scott they would you know obviously they're going to SP the SP spouse initially but they
would say that he didn't seem very concerned he seemed kind of disinterested like he was kind of aloof
like he didn't seem like someone was like my eight-month pregnant wife is gone what tomorrow's Christmas right you
should be worried you should be more worried it gets so gross this story gets so gross later on uh Scott would say
that he was Eng golfing he was actually fishing that day so his story changes which is
suspect interestingly Lacy's parents in initially defended Scott on all this
stuff they had they had his back on all this they were like there's no way Scott did it it took a while for them to
slowly changed our tune one of the reasons they changed our tune is there was uncovered in mid January about a
month after The Disappearance or like maybe three weeks after The Disappearance that Scott had engaged in three extramarital Affairs including
Amber fry so he was constantly cheating on her basically totally you going to
say something H I'm just thinking like if you are like if you are telling the
truth your story doesn't change because it's the truth you know and if you're like saying a bunch of stuff that
contradicts itself and is weird like it's a it's probably because you can't freaking remember when what you were
going to say you know what it's funny because I I sort of agree with you but there's there's something consistent
about Scott which is hey he had whatever job he had was very leisurely because this guy was
constantly either fishing or playing golf right he's out doing weight people
activities it's weird it's like he just bounced between those two like he I read at some point in his adult life he owned
five boats like he was just constantly doing these activities and and I mean so
I a part of me is like I don't know was i Fishing that was like golfing I don't know part of it is is that
too so again as with the mistress from our Chris Watts story she is kind of the unsung
hero the second this story got attention because of course it did because a lacy
and Scott are good-looking white people white yeah you can say it and she's missing and she's
pregnant and there's no evidence of anything so like it it immediately went into the national attention territory
yeah at which point Amber went to the police and basically pointed out three things said I'm dating Scott Scott told
me is single Scott even told me two weeks before Lacy disappeared that he is
a widower not good yeah which I think Drew Peterson did too if I remember Cy I
think Drew Peters also said that his living wife was dead so Amber agreed to let the police
record phone conversations with Scott during one of these calls this is crazy
and I remember this from when it originally happened and they called it out was like oh my God I remember this during one of these romantic calls they
had with each other this is like days after Lacy is missing Scott told Amber that he was in Paris for the holidays
with friends do you remember this yes he was at Lacy's Candlelight
vigil like she's not gonna [ __ ] see that on TV so crazy like what are you
talking about like she's going to find out dude like this is why this is why I
always say when in any situation the cover up is almost always worse than the crime oh my God so stupid
because because because it is it is these little spots of details that the
jury strung together to say like because we we'll find this out later on there's actually no direct evidence that he did
anything to Lacy it's all a thousand little things that he did him being an
idiot like just a thousand little things that they tied together like what um
it's just so stupid to be like ah I am in Paris like oh I'm looking at the Eiffel Tower
like what a weird thing to say like oh I decided last minute to fly to Paris with
my buddies for Christmas it's late here like whatever what an idiot this
yeah yeah because because given time zones it would she would have she would have thought it's like 3:00 a.m. for him
because can't like digital isn't held at like noon no only candle light and at that time it's yeah it just man not good
not a SM guy did you ever watch the show Alias with Jennifer Garner no it was like it's like kind of dumb but very
like 90s action show but she was a spy but she would pretend that she would always go to go to San Diego for business but like really she'd like go
to China and like do spy things and come back and I'm like why don't you just say you're going to China for business because you're still trying to having to
like call people and make stuff up like why would you just be like I have to go to China so they would they would think the time zone I thought that was dumb
she was always like in San Diego when like why not just tell them where you are or like I don't understand anyway funny when you initially said that I
thought I'd probably prefer to say him in San Diego than to say him in China because you got to answer a lot more
questions when you go to China than when you go to San Diego I guess that seems fair but then it's hard to keep the
truth up anyways Scott isn't an Espionage
professional so he this there are very few which is another part of our yeah
themes yeah so after the bodies were discovered police put a tracker on Scott's car because they thought he was
going to run away to Mexico this is Modesta California he he he was raised in San Diego and he's in the L area he
could easily just hop over to Mexico and just disappear if he chose to that's what they were worried about I think I
mentioned Scott's arrest in one of the previous episodes it might have been the Chris Watts one but the
day of the uh Lacy and Conor's autopsy so or sorry the days after that autopsy happened Scott decided to go play round
of golf in La Hoya and it was here at this at this golf of golf game is when he was
arrested he this is so funny to me he dyed his brown hair he never dyed his
hair he had never in his childhood teenage years or adulthood dyed his hair
but he did this time he dyed his hair blonde he had $15,000 in cash in his car
he had survival gear camping gear a ton of extra clothes multiple cell phones
two IDs he had his own ID and his brother ID and his brother looks kind of like him and he went golfing this is all
found in his car and he goes golfing which is just phenomenal that's all all
stuff that innocent people do yeah exactly it's it's like it's like you're obviously not going to get out on what
is it what is it when they give you when they let you out on cash bail bond Pro Bond yeah Bond you're not g to get out
because like you you clearly have all the signs of someone who's about to start about to make a run for it he ends up getting charged with two
counts of first murder and pleads not guilty his trial start started on June 1
June 1st 2004 which would have made it one of the first major TV trials so this would have been 7 years ahead of Casey
Anthony and 9 years ahead of jod Aras other two massive TV trials it's again
worth noting there is absolutely nothing directly tying Scott to the deaths of
lacy and Connor nothing like there's no camera footage there's no confession
there's no he told me heay alab like none of that which is crazy he was just
acting weird about it the whole time but we don't but there's no like here's what happened which is like like is he a
genius no but what happened that's crazy we we
don't know what happened yeah we really don't know what happened we have we have a lot of different pieces of the puzzle
we can put together so prose the prosecution said Scott created four
homemade cement anchors and tied those to Lacy's body and dumped her in the ocean again her body was discovered 4
months after she was in the ocean probably at the bottom of the ocean until her well her limbs broke her limbs
came off yeah exactly so she was at the bottom of the ocean until her limbs came off and then she Flo to the top so there's nothing left there's nothing
left to like oh she died of asphixiation like what she's she's wide open so they
don't know don't even know have a cause of death for really wow the events had a
host of arguments uh they said that sonar equipment used to find the anchors couldn't find the anchors they said that
some random prostitute killed Lacy they said that the baby found was fullterm which would have meant that she had been
kidnapped and that she had been held by somebody which would have precluded Scott they were basically throwing
whatever could could at trying to defend him like there really wasn't much to it The Prostitute thing was somebody was
stealing their mail but that started happening like two months after Lacy disappeared and Scout reported like has
whatever oh he reported that yeah yeah he didn't report Lacy
exactly and yeah like I said by contrast prosecution really couldn't tie him to the murders in any way uh they just had
all this circumstantial evidence that pointed to him having some involvement there's some things that he did that indicated he knew she wasn't going to
come home so for example days after she disappeared he added porn channels to
his home cable setup which would indicate well nobody's going to know this is here because
nobody's coming home uh he sold her card the C that she had she had like basically a generic mom car he sold that
and bought himself a pickup so he was like well we're not going to need this car that has room for a back seat in it so let's get rid of that one and then
the Ser recordings of Amber Fry were also played out in court which definitely did not make him look good no
so five months after the start of his trial Scott would be convicted of first deegree murder for Lacy's death and second degree murder for Connors he was
ultimately sentenced to death by lethal injection in 2020 Scot appealed his
sentence due to a number of proclaimed errors with his trial including improper jury handling and allowing of evidence
that should not have been admitted this went up to the Supreme Court of California which upheld his conviction
but they overturned the death sentence because there was basically a death penalty question during the jury
selection period that the trial judge allowed in with without proper followup
and they said that that could have been enough to get him the death sentence if
it wasn't for the judge not asking proper followup questions basically long it doesn't really matter
but like dur during during the sentencing phase they'll ask the jury like or during the jury selection phase
they'll ask the people on the jury hey how do you feel about the death penalty and somebody says I'm opposed to it and
you're supposed to follow up with that and say does does that mean that you would be in in incapable of rendering
the verdict or the the sentence if the law proclaims that's just and you're
supposed to ask that and if they say I wouldn't be able to do what the law says because that's how I feel about it then
they kick you off but he didn't do that he just sto with like I don't believe in death penalty kicked him off so so basically they only got Pro death
penalty Advocates so there it makes sense the conclusion makes sense sure
obviously there's more uh uh appeals that are flying through all this there's another one that went to the California Supreme Court in 2015 it was based on
the fact that a jury uh a juror lied during jury selection but the court decided that wasn't enough and so they
basically said that yeah the juror did not not tell the full truth but it was immaturely the case anyways so he's
still in prison they they took away his death penalty and rendered a sentence of
life imprisonment so he's going to stay there he's not up for parole ever and that's probably where he's going to end
up for the rest of his life so on the Scott Peterson is innocent side of the aisle really it's mostly his family
though I'm curious to hear your theories on this as well they launched an org and a website
that's called Scott Peterson app.org which like makes you wonder what is Scott peterson. org because did was
that already taken that's a great question I see it Seeking Justice for Scott Lacy and
Connor yeah so they they described their version of
events and things the state kind of failed to prove the website's actually pretty thorough it's it's a pretty
sizable amount of content on there and they've actually uploaded the his entire trial to a Dropbox folder that you can
download and watch yourself some of the facts they point to are kind of indisputable and do seem odd but don't
necessarily Point towards innocent so to your earlier point for example one thing they bring
up is that he had invited his sister-in-law over that night for dinner the night that he allegedly killed Lacy
and he also offered to go pick up a gift basket that Lacy and her sister had ordered for their grandpa and then
delivered the next day which yeah why would you do that if you were planning on going home and killing your
wife that night but I don't know maybe it wasn't as premeditated as we would
think it is right and like well first of all I don't love that this website has like a
painting of them being like in love and like holding her belly like that weird
so I think that I can agree and I think a fact is
Scott pet Peterson is a creep you know he's like a creepy guy he did some
creepy things he's like kind of gross but he didn't have any violent
tendencies before this you know and like there was like nothing that would like be like oh he was going to kill someone
and the thing that I listened to or I learned about was like I don't know if this is true tell
tell me if You' heard this and there was like a ring of people kidnapping pregnant women in the neighborhood did
you hear that that sounds Vaguely Familiar did not read that in this research though but like just that like
pregnant women were going missing around this time in that area so like what for
sex trafficking or I don't know yeah but like you know like I feel like there I
don't that part that part is weird cuz like yeah like you said like he you know had people he invited people over he didn't like act like he had murdered
someone there's no evidence there's no like blood there's no anything but but
also like the stuff that he did he's not like the best husband and Dad ever he
probably just like didn't he probably felt relief that he didn't have to do that you know because he had all this other [ __ ] going on but but I don't know
I'm not 100% convinced that he did it yeah I get that I kind of get
that g very long yeah well so so what so a lot of the jurors were interviewed
after the fact and they all point out that if the body hadn't been found the circumstantial evidence was
not in enough for them to tie Scott to it yeah because it is all circumstantial
like there's nothing actually saying I mean they okay so the other things that the family keeps pointing out here is
that they the cab dogs that they were brought into the house did an alert but like if he killed her then
just truck her bought like why there's nothing there's no odor that is going to form in that time frame so I don't know
um they said that there's something inaccurate about how Scott would have had to have disposed Lacy's body they
said that um he would have capsized the boat if he tried to dump her body the
way that they think he would have because the boat wasn't a big boat and probably wouldn't take 142 pound body
hanging off the side of it but again I don't know could you tie that to a buoy could you tie that to something else and
stabilize it that way like maybe maybe it did cap size the boat small enough to where you just flip it over like I don't
I don't know yeah there was also this this um they they were received 24 sightings of
lacy after she disappeared around the city but then I looked this up weird
yeah but this but I looked this piece up by comparison there's been 55 sightings of Bigfoots since the mid
1900s people say sh like crazy people do crazy [ __ ] and they they're going to talk right so yeah and if you like think
you you're trying to look for like a pregnant lady like you'll see pregnant ladies all the time everywhere you know like once you start thinking about
you'll see that's funny yeah cuz I don't think that like I think I'm missing I'm missing the the mo the motive I feel
like the like like what what was Lacy like was
she excited cuz she had yeah she was super excited I mean that's why she literally just watched Martha Stewart
videos cuz she's trying to be a mom and like it's all excited that she's about to be a mom she's 27y old girl like she
was probably psyched I wonder but but yeah to this
day he's still in jail and I don't see a Universe unless some huge Monumental
fact comes out I personally do think that he did it because yeah but he's not a criminal
mastermind I know it's always a spouse it's probably like it's definitely like the simplest what's it called aam razor
the simplest thing is always the right thing so so you say that about the criminal Master thing but again this was
2002 so I don't even think the iPhone was out until like 2003 and when it did
come out like very few people had it and when it did come out there was no internet on it it's like all the
yeah all the device tracking that exists today today to do what he did you would
have to be like a mega genius to get away so he like just made it yeah he just went past
the cuss when the iPhone 3G came out and like luckily would didn't have one
because there was no cell phone tracking right so they couldn't be able to go back and forth and I doubt he had a boat right yeah yeah he
had a boat did go out on the boat Christmas Eve yeah he said that he went
well at first he said he went golfing oh right right and then he said he then he said he went fishing yeah yeah but again
there was no tracking on the boat it's not like today when every motorized vehicle has like a mini Black Box in that tells you how what's the
accelerator versus the Aon right and you're like constantly being recorded and like yeah yeah so so I don't know I
think I think like you're right he probably I mean he probably did but because he he also he acted so [ __ ] weird afterwards and so I think it's
fair that that's the evidence that like he didn't do himself a single freaking favor he's at his wife's Candlelite
vigil calling his mistress from Paris like it's just crazy yeah not from Paris
pretending to be pretending to be from I I do love the whole dye your hair and do but it's like dude just don't play golf
today today's not a golfing day just go to Mexico keep going yeah like he's definitely like in
maybe in his like dumb head he was like oh I should you know like I can run away
you know or like this is what I need to do or whatever but yeah weird yeah I
keep picturing him uh him probably just strangling her to death and then being like Oh what have I done and then like I got to I got to fix her in the water
yeah yeah yeah just like getting mad and doing it yeah wow so maybe she found out
about the mistress and got into a fight with him and he got mad because she was in a fight with him and I don't know you don't know what makes people pop off I
no but that's what that that also lanss credit like yeah he didn't have violent tendencies but you don't know like
that's true I don't know any like what I don't know anything about their like life really yeah so Amber prey is on
Instagram she looks good I followed her she has 5,000 followers she's very happy she's religious now um or maybe she
always was oh she's a Pampered Chef consultant what Pampered Chef mean like she like it's like it's like a like a we
like a tuw party for pots travel Adventure Family Christian Loa what's
Loa I have no idea yeah she looks happy yeah I think well I think you're
definitely right that he's never getting out of jail and this website his family made is crazy and this everybody on
Facebook you could probably read these posts forever over they're like justice blah blah blah and I'm like I don't know
yeah what's what's he going to do you know like I don't know I feel like lacy just she looked she's real cute she
lives real fun it's too bad that she married a jerk off damn Amber is definitely living her best life
yeah um he looks like Ben Affleck when he's thinner yeah I mean yeah he he
could have gone a different route just divorce your wife if you want to have a mistress it's fine a lot of kids are RA in single family homes like 100% you'll
have a kid it won't be as he won't be as close to you as you want and it'll be fine you'll be fine just leave you can
abandon your family that's fine you can abandon your children that's fine just
don't kill them because now everyone's life is ruined there's no Connor Lacy's
dead and he has to live in freaking jail for the rest of his life yeah so you're
not you are not a criminal mastermind you don't know any criminal masterminds yeah well you don't find you
don't find Criminal masterminds that's for sure yeah they don't find you if you're not ready doing it you're never
going to do it and that's our lesson of the day that's our therapy session for psychopaths oh man thank you for
listening I feel bad for I mean obviously that's PO for everyone uh so
that's our show cool thank do you want to give any shout outs today or no um oh
well definitely thank you to uh friends my friend Ben and my friend Lonnie both like separately reach out to me and they
really loved it so I really appreciate that our friend Andrea um also was on a long train ride and listened to it so
she was really uh liked it to so super excited that people who are listening um like it and we're going to think of ways
to get it in more ears so that's our next step in a we maybe we saw that a couple times but we're um gonna get it
in front of more people we actually have an action item now and we just need to execute on it so pretty good yes this is
the last time you'll be hearing to us without us being super famous oh this is
it this is our last no more going to the grocery store no more going to coffee
shops yeah no pictures say goodbye to your anonymity Taylor it's over sounds
great um yeah please uh continue to follow us on on social Jim to fail pod
we're on YouTube We're on um everywhere you listen to podcasts if someone's like
how do I listen to a podcast just suggest Spotify to them that seems pretty one of the easiest way ways to
get one if they have an iPhone they can do Apple podcasts there's Google podcast as well we're on all of those so take a
look tell your friends let us know if you have any ideas and don't kill your
wife don't even shoot her in the head even if she doesn't die don't even shoot your wife in the head don't even don't
even do that I know it seems like an obvious she won't die I know it seems like an obvious solution to your
problems but just try try to refrain from shooting your wife in the head yeah
do you do you want to live the rest your life life in jail no that sounds terrible so just leave go right now I'm
going to go get cigarettes never go never come back go get cigarettes that's how people were abandoned in the 50s yes yes uh awesome
well thank you Taylor have a great safe drive to LA and a great time there and
yeah we'll we'll go ahead and cut this off