Let's talk about celebrities & our obsession with them. Farz will walk us through some examples, from fun things like Taylor having a Prince William poster to very scary things like someone sitting on the Queen's bed while she slept. Why do we feel connected to people we've never met, and how can they feel safe with so many strangers knowing intimate details of their lives?
Let's talk about celebrities & our obsession with them. Farz will walk us through some examples, from fun things like Taylor having a Prince William poster to very scary things like someone sitting on the Queen's bed while she slept. Why do we feel connected to people we've never met, and how can they feel safe with so many strangers knowing intimate details of their lives?
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Taylor: It seems like only yesterday we were recording your episode
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Oriental James Simpson, case number BA097.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. And we are back. Hi, Taylor. How are you?
>> Taylor: Good. How are you?
>> Farz: I am doing well. It seems like only yesterday we were recording your episode, and here, many, many days later, recording mine.
>> Taylor: Look at that.
>> Farz: Crazy. Crazy how time flies.
Doomed to Fail explores the topic of celebrity obsessions
I'm gonna do a solid for all of us and remember to ask you to introduce us.
>> Taylor: Oh. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We are the podcast that brings you history's most notorious disasters and failures twice a week. And I am Taylor, joined by Vars, who will be telling us a story.
>> Farz: I will be telling a story. and I don't know, this might be controversial, might not be. I don't know. I don't know how folks are gonna feel about this one, but I thought that was really interesting. So, I'm just going to cover the topic of obsessions.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: But I'm going to couch it within a topic that I think might be slightly controversial, and that is that I personally fundamentally hate celebrity culture in the U.S. i think it's really stupid how much we idolize people that are just rich and famous.
>> Taylor: Totally.
>> Farz: Thank you. so I really thought of this because I listened to the Rock talking about how in 2023, like, some political party that we don't know of approached him to run for president. He might have won because, like, that's how obsessed with, like, celebrity we are. It's kind of not. Not great, but I went into a, discovery of, like, celebrity driven obsession. So I'm going to cover some actual conditions that lead to celebrity obsessions and then talk about some cases of them throughout history that, you know, are usually pretty notable. And, yeah, discuss that. That's what I've. That's what I've going on. Cool. Okay, so there's gonna be five conditions I'm gonna be talking about. So one, the first one is celebrity worship syndrome. The second is erotomania, which sounds like what you think it sounds like. Then there is obsessive love disorder. Then there is celebrity stalker syndrome. Then there's a not yet actual defined but assumed thing called parasocial relationship disorder, which we are getting really good at as a society given social media.
Celebrity worship syndrome is an obsession addiction disorder similar to gambling
All right, so going to the first one. So Celebrity worship syndrome. So this is an obsession addiction disorder similar to how people get addicted, like gambling or shopping. 70 to 80% of the people that suffer from this are m. Male they typically have other so like, behavior problems, like low self esteem, inability to establish or maintain personal friendships or relationships. and there's a variation of this type of obsession that has a subcategory, mostly applicable to younger girls called entertainment social celebrity worship syndrome. There's a lot of categories. That's one thing I Learned. There's like 50 different ways to slice and dice to kind of like, that's how bad we are about this. We're so obsessed with celebrities that we have to have like 50 categories for them.
>> Taylor: Mm.
>> Farz: So the entertainment social celebrity kind, that's like the. What we think when we think like an unhealthy, like, child like, obsession with celebrities. When we think of 13 to 20 year olds, like, who get eating disorders because their favorite celebrity, it's like crazy thin. It's like, yeah, they have like 50 chefs and like 20 people. Like.
>> Taylor: Right. It's their job.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's their job to be like, super fit. Another subcategory here is the love obsessional celebrity worship type. And this one is a little bit deeper than just having low self esteem. These are people with like actual mental. Mental disorders like schizophrenia. A known example of this, and a kind of a sad one, is a woman named Margaret Mary Ray, who, despite having never met David Letterman or ever being in a room with David Letterman or ever communicating with David Letterman, became so obsessed with him that she thought they were in like a legit relationship. yeah. At some point she actually broke onto his property, stole his Porsche with her kid, her little boy Alex, in the driver in the pastor's seat, and drove off with it, only to be arrested eventually. And when she was arrested and picked up, she was like, no, like, this is, this is. Alex is his son too. We're married. Like, she was super, super obsessed and.
>> Taylor: Like, oh my God, that poor kid.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And it's scary for David Letterman.
>> Farz: So David Letterman, to his credit, like, he would talk about this every now and then. Like, you know, he did his top 10 list. He like, put like, on one of them. He was like, remember to change your address. That lady stops breaking into your house. Like, he would address it. But later on, like, way after the events here, he would talk about how she, he never wanted to, like, say her name out there or like, put her on, on like public blast. Because she knew that he was, he. She knew he was obviously mentally sick. in total, she broke into his house eight times. And she suffered from severe mental illness. So she had a family of schizophrenics like that's where she comes from. Both of her brothers had severe schizophrenia and both committed suicide. And she herself in like the late 1990s would also commit suicide.
>> Taylor: Oh my m. God.
>> Farz: Yeah, she had a lot of problems, poor thing. Yeah, not. Not good. Then you have erotobania. And again, you can probably guess what that is. This is a mental disorder that results someone thinking another person is infatuated with them. So this one, this one is more common with women. In the Wikipedia article states that this is like, the object of desire is typically a man who is like completely unobtainable. So think of like people who think that like a woman recently gave up $850,000 of her life saving or something because Brad Pitt was writing to her saying that he needed God money for surgery.
>> Taylor: Like, those pictures are unbelievable.
>> Farz: Did you see that?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Wait, whose pictures were unbelievable?
>> Taylor: The ones that he had sent her. The guy, were they. They were like pictures of like Brad Pitt in the hospital, but it was obviously like a photoshopped face of Brad Pitt over someone in the hospital.
>> Farz: That's so sad. That's so sad. I've listened to so many of these, like, these money talk kind of shows where it's like a elder child writes in or calls in, is like, hey, my grant. My. My father, who's like 87 years old with dementia, thinks that like, you know, insert famous woman is like in love with him. And it's like horrible. Some people are terrible. So I wasn't 100% clear on the difference between this and the love obsessional celebrity worship disorder, other than in this case, the person suffering from the disorder is convinced the other person loves them versus being a delusional state of thinking you're in a relationship with them, so you just think that they're into you like crazy. You know, the totemic example.
>> Taylor: Is that because. I'm sorry, is that because like. So in. Well, in like the Brad Pitt case, someone was talking to her.
>> Farz: So that would be, you know what?
>> Taylor: Actually?
>> Farz: Yeah. Ah, that would be the love obsessive one. I think actually maybe it's not even m. You know what, I take it back. Maybe the Brad Pitt one isn't even a disorder because that might just be a scam.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I think that was just a scam because in like the David Letterman lady, like no one was pretending to be David Letterman talking to her.
>> Farz: That's good point.
>> Taylor: She just like thought he was talking to her.
>> Farz: Right, That's a good point. Yeah. the example. So the very first case that was, like, cited is, like, this is a disorder that we need to, like, know what it is and study it. It was a French woman who was convinced that King George V was in love with her and would stand outside of Buckingham palace and assume that the way that the curtains moved inside was him. Signals. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, like, that's the difference to the David Letterman. It was like, Daleman had, like, no interaction, like, nothing at all. Where this was like, okay, you can kind of see the guy and you.
You have obsessive love disorder. This is when somebody has overwhelming desire to possess someone
You. This happens a lot with, like, now with Instagram and stuff, where people think that their celebrities are sending them messages, like, through their posts. So pretty sad and scary.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Then you have obsessive love disorder. This one's really, really, like, scary. This is when somebody has this overwhelming desire to possess and a protection of the person. When I think of people who, like, partner kills them, I think of this. I think this is the, like, if I can't have you, nobody can situation. You know? And there's actually a really famous case of this out there. Do you know who it might be?
>> Taylor: Is it the guy who killed the actress?
>> Farz: So that one actually. Yeah, that actually is one of them. That. I didn't put that one down, but that was one of them that was listed. I was thinking about Selena because if you. So Selena was, like, a super famous Chicano singer. I, guess, like, what, like, 90s or something?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And there's this woman named Yolanda Saldivar who was a super fan of hers. Like, she went to one concert and like, totally fell in love with Selena, and went back and started a Selena fan club, even though she was. She was a nurse. Eventually she quit being a nurse and just, like, only ran this fan club and. And kind of being the first of the thing that's kind of niche, you rise to prominence. So Selena eventually figured out who this woman is, and she came on the payroll and was, like, a part of her team and part of, like, the business venture of what she was doing. eventually, Selena became business partners and probably romantically linked to this, guy named Ricardo Martinez, who was telling her, look, like, I can actually help you expand your business, too. I can bring it into Mexico. He was in Mexico. and Yolanda, like, started trying to box Selena in and away from this guy. Like, get away from him, like, your mind, you know. It was one of those deals. and around this time, Selena also learned that she had been stealing money from the fan club and just fired her, basically. and it was thereafter that this woman shot her and killed her. she was, like, 23. Like, it was crazy. Yeah, that's what it was. It was like this obsessive love disorder where it was like, I need. Like, I had you. I lost you. Now I. It's almost like a lovers thing. But there was no lover. So then we have. You're right. The other. The one that you mentioned. I forgot what her name was. But this happened like 2017 or 20. Was it 22 or 20? I think it was 22, actually, where this guy, the singer was signing autographs, and then, this guy shot her in the middle of signing.
>> Taylor: That's not even the one I'm talking about. There was another one where the guy, like, went to the girl's house and killed her. There's. There's more than one example of this, obviously. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's not good. It's not good that we can't even think of, which was an example. but then we have, like, my favorite of all this, and my favorite is the celebrity soccer syndrome. So this pathology comes from a fixation on a celebrity that can lead to violence and is actually its own. it's a form of borderline personality disorder. So the most classic example of this would be Andrew Cunanan because of his obsession with wealthy gay men. And the most famous of wealthy gay men, which was Johnny Versace, and he just wanted to kind of, like, wipe him off the planet because of his jealousy and his need for attention. then there are two other really fun ones. One is John Hinckley Jr. Who thought that killing Ronald Reagan would make Jodie Foster fall in love with him.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: And here's the interesting thing. I didn't know this in the middle of the research. So it's interesting because this type of disorder is often also inclusive of a narcissistic personality disorder. Because the stalker thinks that they can obtain this person.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: Like, they're crazy because they actually think of that. Like, I'm trying to think, like, an incredibly beautiful woman maybe. Like, oh, yeah, I can totally get that. Like, you're nuts. Right? Like, you'd actually be out of your mind.
>> Taylor: Plus, Jody Foster is gay as. So he was never.
>> Farz: I don't think she was out back then.
>> Taylor: No, she wasn't. But I'm just saying that it was going to be.
>> Farz: It wasn't going to work out anyways.
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: So what's interesting is, in this case, Hinckley actually knew he was a loser. His reasoning for shooting Reagan, which I never knew was he thought it would make him so famous that him and Jody Foster would finally be on the same celebrity wavelength. Is it wild?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Like it's almost cunning if it wasn't so stupid. Like he walked around his narcissist personality to identify that he's a loser. Yeah, it's weird that he got that far with it.
Parasocial relationship disorder is when an individual forms emotional, intense relationship
and then the other favorite of mine is Mark David Chapman, the guy who killed John Lennon. And his whole thing was he was obsessed with the Beatles. But then after they broke up, he thought John Lennon was like this huge phony, mostly because he would sing about love and peace. Now the world needed no possessions, then also had a billion dollar net worth. Like, yeah, like stupid rich. and then the yet undefined but identifiable version of what's going on right now is parasocial relationship disorder. So this is when an individual forms a one sided, emotional, intense relationship with a person they don't actually know in real life. But it's usually because you've been given a form of access that makes you think that you're close to that person.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: And here's where we're gonna. The hate mail is gonna start. Beyonce and Taylor Swift. So these two are probably the most emblematic celebrities whose fan base thinks that they are part of their lives. Like they have this investment in them in this parasocial relationship that is like a little bit abnormal, I would argue.
>> Taylor: Right. Well, you can like see everything that they're doing, you know. So you think that you're like, even though, like their social media is super curated.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. The other one that you could probably talk more about than I could, that came up in the middle of the research was BTS and K Pop because apparently they explicitly tell their fans, like, I, you're the only reason I exist, or we belong together.
>> Taylor: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: Directly to them.
>> Farz: Is that true?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Probably not. Good.
>> Taylor: No, I'm sure there are so many women. Like my sister used. Well, she like, loves boy bands and like, she used to. Her and her friends used to go to the Billboard Music Awards in Las Vegas. You could like be like in the, in the whatever in the audience. And man, she would like cry. They would cry so hard they would lose their minds. One of her friends used to write poetry to, the guy from Sugar Ray and he like would like see her and be like, oh, hi. And like she would give him a book of poetry.
>> Farz: Wow. Okay. So that's another big one is when it goes into like the unhealthy Territories when you start actually trying to communicate and engage and like make these things a reality.
>> Farz: What's interesting is that it is dramatically more pervasive today because of social media. And now it's pervasive beyond just like normal celebrities because of apps, like only fans now anybody that posts something content wise on a, on an app like that, they think that they're in a relationship with that person. They think like they're doing this like for me and yeah, you're just creating a man. We're just all going to live like the Matrix at some point, like in a little tube. And like it would just be. Everything's going to be VR reality because like, I don't think we're.
>> Taylor: Both of you to assume that we're not doing that right now.
>> Farz: Oh my God. Oh my God. but yeah, and I think. I think like this is like, so we. I. Okay, I'm gonna be totally honest here. I think I kind of know what this feels like because our favorite podcast back in the day, I mean, I haven't really listened to it anymore since Everything Went down was last podcast on the left. And it was three guys who were together for like seven, eight years. I forgot. I don't even know how long it was. And then there were some accusations made and they kicked one of the guys out of the group. And that's kind of when I dropped off. I stopped listening to. Because it just like, it just shattered the illusion, I think a little bit of like I'm a part of this friend group that like, I can just hear them talking and make jokes. I'm kind of a part of it. and we, we saw on social media all these like hundreds of thousands of fans who were just like so invested pulling all the content. Like this person said this on this episode.
>> Taylor: This is scary.
>> Farz: It was getting a little, little m.
>> Taylor: It was a little scary.
>> Farz: And like I kind of put myself in that. Those shoes. Because again, why'd I stop listening to it when they kicked him off? It's only because I felt like I was a part of a group and the group broke up.
>> Taylor: Yeah, no, totally.
>> Farz: It's not good.
>> Taylor: It feels. I mean, I still listen, but it feels different. And yes. I mean, and also like, yeah, I feel like if. I feel like, especially in that case, like if we ever like, I know so much about them, you know, and like they like don't know that I. That I exist, which is just weird. Yeah.
>> Farz: Also I think they did them dirty and I think that's part of the reason why I have resentment, I haven't listened to him.
>> Taylor: I don't really.
We get obsessed with celebrity and we really need to stop doing that
Yeah. Who knows? I don't know. I don't have any thoughts.
>> Farz: Yeah. but anyways, that, I'll be honest. This was a short one. but that's kind of all I have for this one is just like the various ways in which we get obsessed with celebrity and we really need to stop doing that. And I hope that, Yeah, I don't know what it is. Like, I, it's, weird and vulgar to me, but then again, like, we lived in LA and like, it wasn't a thing in LA to like, focus on people's celebrity, you know?
>> Taylor: No, yeah. I mean, like, well, you would, like, see celebrities, like at the store. Yeah.
>> Farz: You just seen them as human beings. Like, it was, it was like a normal thing. Whereas, like, I don't know, when I see them on, like the red carpet, it's like they're giving each other awards and like, we're supposed to like, pay attention to what they're wearing. It's like, why are we doing.
>> Taylor: Like, I, I, like, like, I, like, yeah, it's, I, like, sometimes I'm like, this is fun. And then sometimes I'm like, why am I watching these rich people give each other awards?
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. They're playing make believe, like.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So it was, it was the lowest form of career, like 200 or 100 years ago.
>> Taylor: Right. We've talked about that. And now whenever, well, whatever, you get a lot of money and that's, I don't know if, like, that's, that's a thing. And it feels like, glamorous. Like there was something that was like, oh, I wish that there were like, balls, like in Bridgerton, you know, like, like that you could go to now, like these days, you know, and someone was like, there are, you're just not invited to them. And you wouldn't have been invited back then either, you know, like any parties. Yeah. Now we can, like, see that this is happening, but, like, you're not going to be invited.
>> Farz: Yeah. Which I, I'm glad I don't want to be invited to that. Like, I, I, that's not, I don't know, there's something fake about the whole thing.
>> Taylor: Yeah. But it's a huge, obviously industry.
>> Farz: So. One thing I did read though, that I thought was actually kind of useful to know what was. It was, it was either NPR or this American Life or something about how, a lot of like, there's, there's kind of like this understanding that if a black woman asks, like, another man, like, what they think about Beyonce, they're not, like, trying to, like, figure out what their fandom is. They're trying to, like, ascertain whether, like, you think successful black women are, like, bad or good. And so there is, like, an. But it's become, like, a cultural touchstone in a way where it's like, so, like, in that, I'm pulling back on the whole, like, being anti celebrities. Like, that makes sense. Like, that's like, a reasonable thing to, like, ask someone. It's like, hey, like, I want to know how you feel about this one successful type of individual to make sure that, like, I'm not dealing with someone that is probably a shitty person, you know?
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's totally fair.
>> Farz: So in those cases, you can be part of the beehive. It's all good.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Which I, like. And you can also, like, you can go in and out of it, you know, like, you can be excited about Beyonce and also worried about the world. You can be both. You know, sometimes it's a nice, like, sometimes it's a nice distraction. It shouldn't be your life, you know, but, like, I enjoy some celebrity gossip every once in a while.
When you were a kid, did you have a celebrity you were in love with
>> Farz: When you were a kid, did you have, like, a celebrity you were in love with?
>> Taylor: Oh, my God. I had, like, a principally imposter in my house, in my bedroom.
>> Farz: Seriously?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Wow.
>> Taylor: I know.
>> Farz: All right. Yeah.
>> Taylor: but I mean, there was, like, a prince that was my age, and he was cute. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah, I guess that's true.
>> Taylor: You know, I mean, obviously I've talked about Leonardo DiCaprio a lot, but, like, I'm exactly the right age for Titanic and Ruby and Juliet to have ruined my life.
>> Farz: Your point? Mine was Sylvester Stallone when I was a kid, and watching him with, like, a giant gun and being just jacked and ripped and, like, doesn't give a. About anything. I was like, this guy's so cool. I want to be like him.
>> Taylor: and you turned out exactly like him. I look just like. You are like, a foot taller than him.
>> Farz: I look just like him. Except, like, now when he's, like, 82 years old.
>> Taylor: But whatever, it's fine.
>> Farz: Yeah, that's all I got.
Taylor: I thought it was an interesting topic today
Interesting. Ah, fun one today. But I thought it was an interesting topic, and unfortunately, there was, like, a million examples of people who've tried to or have killed people for this, and it's really.
>> Taylor: It's. That's really scary. I'd be like, I remember one time, like, the. There's something about where the Kardashian family, like, a guy got onto their property with a gun, and, the mom fired all of her security team, and people were mad about it, but I'm like, yeah, that's their fucking job, is to make sure that no one gets near property with a gun, so they should all be fired.
>> Farz: You know, somebody ran into the White House while Obama was there and, like, got to the front staircase.
>> Taylor: Like, yeah, that's very scary. And.
>> Farz: And. And. Okay, I forgot the reason why I even got on this topic. The reason I got on this topic was because some way, somehow, I, like, pull up some article about, this guy who twice broke into Queen Elizabeth's bedroom. One time she wasn't there, but the second time, he apparently sat on the bed. She sat up from being asleep, and they started talking to each other.
>> Taylor: I mean, you have to, because you're like, what do I do?
>> Farz: And then eventually, she, like, was able to push whatever security button she has, but I was like, that's so scary.
>> Taylor: She should have cut off some heads for that.
>> Farz: Well, yeah, one of the guys who was in charge of security offered to resign, and they wouldn't let him. I was like, why don't resign? He should resign.
>> Taylor: He's lucky that he didn't get Tower of London.
>> Farz: Yeah, no kidding.
>> Taylor: Jesus, that's scary. Yeah, that's really scary.
>> Farz: There's a lot of those examples, unfortunately. Yeah. And didn't they also get robbed in France or something?
>> Taylor: Like, it's like the Kardashians did. Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: sucks being a celebrity. What you want to do is you want to be, like, rich, but, like, not famous. That's the. That's the dream scenario where you can, like, exactly. Every now and then, you're like, hey, you know what? I know Chili's queso is garbage, but it's kind of fun. I want to go have Chili's queso, and nobody's gonna look at me. That's a. That's a dream.
>> Taylor: Yeah, that's dream. And you can, like. You can get as much fucking queso as you want because you're rich.
>> Farz: Clean that place out.
>> Taylor: Case over. Everyone.
>> Farz: So for everyone. So, yeah, that's my story for this week. a little quick one for y'all, but hopefully it was fun.
>> Taylor: It was fun. Thank you. Taylor, do you prepping for when we have a lot of fans.
>> Farz: Oh, my God. I know. We're doing all this, and we're gonna be the story that our future selves. Tell. I should have thought of that. Oh, no, it's like Inception.
>> Taylor: Oh my God, you are you fars from.
>> Farz: I'm just trying to have queso, man. Can you just leave me alone?
>> Taylor: Okay. Do you want some free queso? Because I already bought one for every table. I'll buy you too if you want.
>> Farz: The story really comes together.
>> Taylor: cool. Thank you. Thank you.
Let us know if you have any ideas for the, um, for the future
Yeah, please, let us know if you have any ideas for the, for a topic for the future. And I have one more medieval topic. And then, our friend Chiara just sent me a good one for Women's History Month. So thank you, Chiara. I will look into that one. And I'm excited for that. I got a really big women's suffrage flag. It's huge. It's like three by five and it's like, it's yellow, white, purple. and I'm gonna put it outside my house in March.
>> Farz: Yellow, white, purple.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Like that was like the, the colors that the, that women wore when they were like marching for voting rights.
>> Farz: I did not know that there was a flag for that.
>> Taylor: I got a bunch of flags from Flags for Good. So I got that one and I got like the gay, pride flag for Pride Month. And right now I have a California flag, but it's black for resistance.
>> Farz: Is that what that means? Is it like a. Have a jolly Roger on it? Oh, this is. That's kind of a cool flag.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: All right. It kind of looks like the Indian flag. Actually, you know what? I really. I don't know what the Indian flag color is. Never mind. fun.
>> Taylor: Well, yeah, it is, Oh, it's just three stripes.
>> Farz: Anyway, I would also like to ask anyone who would care to write in to write to us@dflpodgmail.com and find us on the Socials @DFL podcast. Taylor has been unbelievably busy clipping, slicing, dicing, and doing fun and thing on TikTok that I don't know how to do. So thank you.
>> Taylor: Thank you everyone who's been chatting with me on there. That's been fun.
>> Farz: Sweet.
Taylor: I'm number nine in my trivia league right now
Anything else to sign off with Taylor?
>> Taylor: Yes, I put this on. Oh my God. Blue sky. I don't know. We have so many, so many things. But I was doing the TikTok about the episode about Ed and Lorraine Warren and talking about. Remember when I hit that owl? Listening to. Listening to the book about them coming home from dinner with you in Palm Springs. So I had. That owl was fine. but I was like oh my God. I summoned a demon. And then I finished doing that and then I went to my email and my learned league started again. Like the trivia league. And Ed and Lorraine Warren were one of the questions.
>> Farz: No way.
>> Taylor: Is that spooky.
>> Farz: That's kind of fun though.
>> Taylor: Yes, I got that one correct.
>> Farz: It's like the one thing we intrinsically know.
>> Taylor: I'm number nine in my league right now, which is absolutely insane. I am really proud of myself and I'm sure I'm going to go back down to the bottom soon. It's out of like 26. I'm usually like 23, but I've had a good run this past week.
>> Farz: So. Hold on real quick. Can you just remind me, is this a one person team M?
>> Taylor: Yeah, it's like me, I answer five questions every day against someone else and I have to wait the questions and like what points they get. So like if I think a question is going to be really easy, I'll wait at zero. So even if they get right like a zero points, you know, man, I.
>> Farz: Should try to be a part of this. Can I, Can I be a part of this?
>> Taylor: Yeah, I think, I think I have some invites or invite. Season will open and I'll invite you.
>> Farz: Okay. I would like an invitation. That sounds fun.
>> Taylor: It is very fun. I actually put our podcast in the member resources section of the website. I can do whatever I want to do.
>> Farz: Yeah, you creativity here. Of all the ways you've shoehorned us.
>> Taylor: Thank you, thank you. If you found us from there, let me know. I don't think that anyone has, but you know, cool, thank you. That's all I got.
>> Farz: That's all. Cool, we'll go ahead and shut things off.