Let's get creepy for Women's History! Farz walks us through the tale of Elizabeth Bathory, who murdered countless peasants in her Transylvanian castle. Did she bathe in their blood to stay young?? Did she just like killing people? How many places in a castle can you hide a body??? If you live in a castle and know the answer, please email us.
Let's get creepy for Women's History! Farz walks us through the tale of Elizabeth Bathory, who murdered countless peasants in her Transylvanian castle. Did she bathe in their blood to stay young?? Did she just like killing people? How many places in a castle can you hide a body???
If you live in a castle and know that answer please email us.
Main Source:
https://ir.library.illinoisstate.edu/etd/135/
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>> Farz: This isn't work.
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>> Farz: I learned so much when I do these episodes. Like, I do, too, from you. But also because, like, I also learned from my own research, but I also learned from, like, the 17 topics that I have researched. But then give up.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: To go to my main topic.
>> Taylor: No, I definitely think that we're smarter. Oh, my God. Also, I'm number five in my learned league right now out of 26.
>> Farz: Okay. Do you know when you can invite me to that?
>> Taylor: I can, but I had to talk to you about it because it made me nervous about it. It said that you have to make sure if you fuck up, I get kicked out.
>> Farz: Wait, how could I up.
>> Taylor: If you don't do it? So you have to do it every day. You have to. If you don't do it every day, then you get. Then you get kicked out.
>> Farz: You know me, Taylor. You know me for a very, very long time. Do you think I have the accountability within myself to do this every day?
>> Taylor: I think so.
>> Farz: Then we're doing it.
>> Taylor: Okay. Okay. You can set it up. You get a text message to remind you if you haven't done it by a certain time. So you should do that as well.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: Just to make sure. Okay. Okay, fine. I'll invite you. Don't mess it up for me.
>> Farz: I won't. I won't.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: cool. But wait, so when am I. Well, tell me when I have to start doing it.
>> Taylor: I'll invite you now. There's a wait list. So I'll invite you, you'll be on the waitlist and they'll tell you.
>> Farz: Okay. All right, Deal?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Cool.
We are about to go into Women's History Month
okay, so topic wise, who goes first today?
>> Taylor: You do.
>> Farz: Yay. I'm going to be saying a lot of names that I absolutely have no idea how to pronounce. I spelled them out for myself phonetically on the outline.
>> Taylor: Nice.
>> Farz: but I'm gonna mess up a lot of names. Just as a heads up.
>> Taylor: What language are we getting into?
>> Farz: Say what?
>> Taylor: What language are we getting into?
>> Farz: So English names. I'm gonna tease it first. Taylor. So like. So I'm, The. The tease part is we are about to go into Women's History Month, and as a firm believer in equality of the sexes, I wanted to cover. Do a little three parter on some historical women.
>> Taylor: Look at that.
>> Farz: Look at that. Right? Yeah.
>> Taylor: I'm excited.
>> Farz: And I think that women have as much capacity for evil as men because I'm a feminist.
>> Taylor: 100 I. My. The women that I have set up for Women's History Month, there are baddies in there.
>> Farz: Did we do the same thing?
>> Taylor: I don't. I mean, you know that I have. I don't think so, but maybe you should tell me later. So we'll do a ton of research.
>> Farz: So I'll tell you now, actually, there's actually a part of the conversation. so I'm going to be covering female serial killers, but not.
>> Taylor: Okay, I'm not doing any of that.
>> Farz: Okay, cool.
>> Taylor: Cool. Yeah, mine are like different things, so. Yeah, we're good.
>> Farz: Great. but I'm not going to cover the boring ones. Like Eileen Warnos once Charlize Theron has done a movie about you. Like, you're too famous for us to cover you.
>> Taylor: I wish I hadn't seen that movie.
>> Farz: Why?
>> Taylor: You know, it's just like one of those ones were just like, everyone's a while you think of a terrible thing that happened in that movie and you're like, oh, that was terrible.
>> Farz: They were way too nice to her. Like, they were so nice to her.
>> Taylor: I, like I felt empathetic at like the first one. And then she kept doing it.
>> Farz: I know that that's where. That's where it went. So then it turned like a love story with Christine. It's like, why are you romanticizing her like she was a monster?
>> Taylor: I wish I hadn't Seen it.
This is part of a three part series of historically evil women
>> Farz: But anyway, so I'm going to cover, three women and I'm going to kind of meander around the globe on this one. I'm going to go with. I'm, going to start in Europe, then I'm going to go to Russia, then I'm going to end in the US as part of this three part series of historically evil women. So when you get to the first woman of historical significance and it's someone that I one time just shouted at Taylor, like a month ago, I think over and over and over again. And she just looked at me like, what are you saying? I don't remember Elizabeth Bathory.
>> Taylor: Oh, yes, yes, I do remember you shouting that at me. Calm down.
>> Farz: I was so excited because I sort of know. I sort of knew the story, but I didn't deeply, deeply know the story. Do you know the story?
>> Taylor: No. What did I. What was I doing that you were yelling bath three at me?
>> Farz: I don't know. You were covering some woman in history. We've done way too many episodes. I have no idea what you did two, three weeks ago. are you looking it up?
>> Taylor: I'm trying to think, but I don't. I can't even remember you said something.
>> Farz: You teased in a way that was like, she's obviously doing Elizabeth Bathory.
>> Taylor: Interesting. Anyway, you go. Okay, you keep going.
>> Farz: So this is gonna be an interesting one. Again. I learned a lot about world history because you can't discuss the alleged crimes without understanding the time period in which Elizabeth Bathory lived in the position in which she occupied in history. I'm like, going into my, like, Dan Carlin voice.
>> Taylor: I'm gonna talk about Dan Carlin a lot. And I actually feel like after this I need to be banned from reading Dan Carlin's Blue sky because I keep responding to it like, he's gonna respond to me. And it's only like, no, he's not. I'm like the only woman on there. Everyone else is like, just. It makes me better off. I'm getting hot, I'm getting nervous. You go, you keep going.
Time period we're discussing is the late 1500s to the early 1600s
>> Farz: So the time period here that we're going to be discussing is. You mean like the late 1500s to the early 1600s. And the geographic area we're going to be discussing is present day Hungary, who.
>> Taylor: I'm also in the late 1500s today.
>> Farz: Is it Hungary?
>> Taylor: No. God, it's almost so much stuff happening.
>> Farz: So much stuff. so this is a little bit of geography and world history lesson for you all before I actually get into Elizabeth Battery story because it's actually super, super relevant. So present day Hungary is positioned pretty close to the middle of Europe. So you have Croatia, Serbia and Romania to its south, and then you have Slovakia and Austria to its north. It's a pretty sizable landmass. But that's not what the map looked like during Elizabeth Bathory's lifetime. Back then it was a much smaller landmass and you had the Ottoman Empire controlling the southern end with expansion plans into the. Into present day Hungary. And you had the infamous Habsburg family that controlled Austria. Do you remember the Habsburg? I do, yeah. They're the ones who are like, crazy in bread.
>> Taylor: Yeah, they have. They can't close their mouths.
>> Farz: They can't. Exactly, exactly. you have the Kingdom of Hungary itself, which, when the relevant parts of the story are being told, is ruled by a guy named King Matthias ii. and he's basically just like, non stop trying to fend off the Ottomans from the south and the Habsburgs in the north. Then on the eastern side, you have this, like, sort of buffer, semi autonomous region that is known as Transylvania, which is so cool.
>> Taylor: So cool.
>> Farz: So in Transylvania, you have a lovely, lovely married couple named Ferenc Nadashti. Thank you. Thank you, everyone.
>> Taylor: That's perfect.
>> Farz: And Elizabeth Bathory.
>> Taylor: I can do my Dracula impression if you want to. Just kidding. I won't.
>> Farz: We're getting super into Dracula.
>> Taylor: Mine's. Mine's pretty good.
>> Farz: So Ferenc came from a noble family and rose in the ranks with the military at a time when Hungary was actively fighting the Turks. His story is pretty short because we really don't really care about his life. He's sort of irrelevant for the main purpose of the story. he would ultimately die of illness while at battle, and that would then convey, I wrote, his enormous wealth over to Elizabeth, but she was also enormously wealthy as well, which I'll get into here in a moment. And as part of what we would now consider, like his will, he also, quote, entrusted his heirs and widows, unquote, to another nobleman, a guy named Dear Die Turzo.
>> Taylor: So he, like, willed his wife to another man.
>> Farz: Well, what it's supposed to be is, like, so, again, these are not normal people. Like, they have vast, vast estates and riches. And the idea was that you now are her protectorate, if she m needs a protectorate. Basically.
>> Taylor: That's sincere. like when we had a fire drill at work and you had to be my partner when I was pregnant.
>> Farz: Yeah, exactly.
>> Taylor: And protect me walking down the stairs, I had to find you. And we had to walk down together, because that was part of the rules, is if you were pregnant, you needed a partner to walk you down the stairs.
>> Farz: I was entrusted.
>> Taylor: You were.
>> Farz: So Elizabeth herself, like, I was getting to. She was from noble blood. So part just. I'm trying to illustrate, like, what these people came from as part of the wedding gift when these two wed, Ferent and Elizabeth so far was 19. Elizabeth was 14 when they wed. This is one of those times.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: their families gifted them one castle and 17 of the surrounding villages.
>> Taylor: Some hilarious. I would be like, I'll take the castle. Villages seem like a lot of work.
>> Farz: So these people were of such exceeding wealth that they made out personal loans to the kingdom of Hungary.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: And king Matthias, the second that I mentioned earlier, had taken out a fairly sizable loan from ferent prior to his death to help fund his battle with the Turks. Spoiler alert. Elizabeth, at the end of the story dies. It was in the 1600s, but by the time she died, just as context, she held 26 castles, hundreds of villages, with tens of thousands of peasants and serfs working the land for her.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: I tried to figure out, like, what this actually means in modern times in terms of wealth. The closest approximation chatgpt could give me was it's basically like the British crown. Like, yeah, you sort of own Canada. You sort of own Australia, New Zealand. You own, like, a ton of castles across the country in the world. Like, everything just flows up to you.
>> Taylor: And everything you own has to be physical, you know, Everything you own has to be physical.
>> Farz: Yeah, there's no. There's no New York stock market.
>> Taylor: And we kind of talked about it, I feel like a long time ago. We're, like, in Holland maybe around this time is when people would, like, start buying, like, parts of a ship, you know, as, like, an investment, but, like, you weren't really investing anything, like, until then.
>> Farz: I think you're also thinking about the story of the Essex, where that's, like. It was, like, how companies work. You would invest in a ship, and then when a portion of the profits from the whaling expense expedition came to you. Right.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. I'm laughing because we just. We're just learning so much.
>> Farz: We're pretty like. We're calling it kind of smart.
Rumors started circulating about Elizabeth's cruelty towards peasants after her husband died
Okay. So do you have all that context out of the way? Crazy wealthy person, a lot of infighting. These people are secluded within Transylvania. You have a dead husband, you have a protectorate, Yada, yada, yada.
>> Taylor: Y.
>> Farz: Clear. Okay. So almost immediately after her husband's death, rumors started to circulate about the alleged cruelty by Elizabeth towards the workers in her village. The abuse of serfs. Sorry, the abuse or murder of serfs or peasants working your land truly was not a big deal. Nobody. Which also happens to make me think that the story might be true. Because why else would they spread if people knew there was no consequence?
>> Taylor: Right. Like it's so bad. I'm assuming that, like, that's why you know about it.
>> Farz: Yeah, well. Well, maybe not even so bad. I'm just saying, like. Like why would you start spreading the rumor knowing that nobody's going to do it? Like, there's no upside to spreading a rumor about this because she's beyond investigation.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: You know, all you could do is put yourself in like, a shitty light to the aristocracy.
>> Farz: So what followed, though, was kind of a big deal. So back in the back at that time, this is like how the social and economic ladders worked. The lowest rung of the ladder were serfs and peasants. These are people who could never own land. They would just work the land like they. They're the people in Game of Thrones who you don't want to be.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, they're covered in shit.
>> Farz: Exactly. Should cover people. Then you can potentially graduate to being a farmer or a skilled tradesman who actually can own some land. Then you have the bourgeoisie who had wealth but lacked nobility. Then you could graduate to the landed gentry who was just under nobility. So they had estates, largest state wealth, but they had no formal titles. Then you have high nobility or the aristocracy. That's what Elizabeth would have been, who own estates and have noble titles. And then you have the monarchy, who is what King Matthias is. like I said, Elizabeth was high nobility class herself, and she was abusing the bottom class until rumors started swirling that she was killing young girls from the landed gentry class. So the class just below the noble.
>> Taylor: Class, people care a little bit more.
>> Farz: We care a little bit more. Yeah. I'm not gonna draw a direct analysis, direct comparison to Gabby Petito, but there's something here.
>> Taylor: Yeah, there's a lot there, but continue. People are the same.
>> Farz: Exactly.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Earth shattering news from Taylor.
>> Taylor: Yeah. People have not changed.
>> Farz: So for some reason that no historical record can identify, Trust me, I'm, going to quote something here that like, I dug. I dug quite a bit on this. There was. There's this one Lutheran minister, a guy named East Van Magu, Maggie Magyari. I should have did that one fanatically. That's the only one I didn't do. Fanatically. This Lutheran minister, for some reason hated Elizabeth. There's a lot of reasons to hate Elizabeth. Like she's Protestant, a time when most of the area is Catholic, she has tremendous wealth. And, you know, like, when you're at the top, everybody's trying to shoot up to knock you off the top. That's just the way it works in human history. So there's probably a ton of reasons and some of them might be justified, some of them not justified, why this guy hated her, but he just totally, totally hated her. And he would incessantly preach about the cruelty and killings that she was presumed to be responsible for. Again, none of this gained traction. Her husband died in 1604. None of this gained traction until 1609 when he pivoted from she's torturing and killing peasants to she's torturing, killing the daughters of the gentry class. This would eventually bubble up to King Matthias ii for reasons that we're going to get into or that are somewhat suspicious later on. Who ordered the guy I mentioned earlier, earlier, dear D. Turzo, to investigate the claim? So again, this is like olden times. There's not a ton of people around and they all know each other and like, it's just a small group of people that know everything and do everything. And so this guy was the protectorate of the family after Ferenc died. But he's also being ordered by the king to go investigate, go investigate these claims against Elizabeth. His title at the time was Palatine of Hungary, which basically meant that he is the highest serving official of the monarch. So what other monarch says? It's like chief of staff right now, I think is the equivalent. So he goes with some, other people, like two other investigators, Tory Castle, to start investigations by looking around for anything suspicious and, interviewing people working for Elizabeth. And he concludes through conversations with different people. No actual direct physical evidence that she probably tortured and killed around 80 girls. This is also the time that the whole myth that she was draining these girls of blood in a bathtub and then bathing in it to maintain her youth and beauty kind of started sprouting up. But again, I think that's because, like, why not make it, make it fun, right?
>> Taylor: Absolutely. Yeah. That gives it like, I don't know, also a little bit of purpose.
>> Farz: Yeah, exactly, Yeah.
>> Taylor: I mean, if it works, whatever works.
>> Farz: Sure, yeah. Go ahead and bathe in. Bathe in blood.
Taylor: Allegations against Countess Elizabeth Bathory range widely
so the ranges of what actually, what she was actually responsible for vary quite a bit. So one of her alleged accomplices claims that she killed 50 people. And then there was also a claim by like some peasant women that she killed around 650. They were all over the map. Nobody really knew anything. I read a good deal of an incredibly well researched thesis paper from an Illinois student, Illinois State University student named Rachel Bledsoe that's entitled quote, no blood in the water. The legal and gender conspiracies against Countess Elizabeth Bathory in historical context. This is her thesis statement. I don't know what she's getting her doctorate in, but this is cool.
>> Taylor: Wow, that's amazing that you read that.
>> Farz: It was so dense, Taylor. Like having not been in school for a very, very long time, like my capacity to actually read something all the way through is like almost, almost non existent. But I'm pulling heavily from her thesis paper from here on forward because the historical record just kind of skips what happens from the investigation starts to Elizabeth dies. There's like really not that much out there. So this is all thanks to this, Rachel Bled.
>> Taylor: So I found it. I'll link to it.
>> Farz: Cool. it seems like there was legitimately a lot of claims of torture and murder and I don't know how to interpret that, whether these are just claims from peasants and serf who hate the crazy rich lady at the top of the castle. But apparently after conducting his investigation, Dior, D. Turzo, man, give him a nickname. Can we call him. Can we call him Dt?
>> Taylor: Yeah, okay, absolutely.
>> Farz: Dt, who again, remember he was entrusted to take care of this family after the husband passed. He ended up writing a letter to Elizabeth's son and son in law as well as their legal representatives telling them about his investigation. Apparently like again, the historical record has no idea what the back and forth here was. We only know what actually happened. So the assumption that the Rachel Bledo and her. Her these statement met made was that, the family decided that we cannot let this be a trial situation. We can't let it go public because if it goes public and it's true, we're going to be stripped of our nobility. We're going to lose all of our lands and titles and everything else and it's going to be a huge shame and embarrassment to the memory of our father and to our mother. So apparently what they said is, feel free to go after anybody you want related to this and try them however you want to try them. Our mother cannot be tried on this like they had. She has. You have to find alternate punishment that she kind of skates by on this. So apparently Dt still felt a little bit uncertain about what was true and what wasn't. And so he, along with King Matthias, would join Elizabeth at her castle on Christmas Eve and try to get a confession out of her, basically presenting her with, you know, here's what we have. Do you want to say anything about it? Yada, yada, yada. Apparently, this event ended with both men getting violently sick, and it was assumed that she had poisoned them. Again, not a great look for the she is innocent side of the argument. but apparently when they confronted her with the investigation, the evidence, she denied everything and stormed out of the dinner, which got to be really fun.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I feel like that's definitely something that happens in, like, Game of Thrones.
>> Farz: Yeah, you're eating, like, one big loaf of bread, and then, like, you're just, like, tearing a piece of it off and then dipping in some stew with rabbits and then. Yeah, that's gotta be good.
So on December 29, 1610, soldiers were sent to arrest Elizabeth
So on December 29, 1610. So, five days after this event, soldiers were sent to the castle to arrest Elizabeth, and apparently, while looking for her, found one dead girl in the hallway, having been beaten to death. And then three of the accomplices. Three of Elizabeth accomplices beating several other girls in a dungeon. per the agreement, Elizabeth was confined to her castle while her accomplices faced the following punishment after a trial and a guilty verdict. Okay, going over some names here. So you have Anna Dervabulia, which sounds almost like Dracula, which is really cool. She, died of a stroke before being arrested. She died in 1609. She was actually accused of the worst of the worst by everybody else, which, of course, she was. She's already dead.
>> Taylor: Yeah. makes sense.
>> Farz: And then you have, Yona Joe, who confessed to murder and publicly was publicly executed by having her hands cut off and then burned to the stake. You have Janos Fiziko, and this was a teenage boy who was arrested and confessed to bringing victims to Elizabeth to be killed. He was beheaded. Then you have Dorothea, Dorothea Zenti, who apparently was considered the coolest out of all of them and took the most joy out of torturing young girls. she was also. She also had her hands cut off publicly and then burned the stake. And the family essentially got to keep their titles and Elizabeth got to keep her castle. where, again, the historical record is a little dicey. So some parts of the historical records say that she was entombed within the castle. Meaning she was, like, put into the walls of the castle. Alive. Alive, yeah. but it seemed like the most likely thing that happened was that she was just under house arrest. She just couldn't leave the castle. And so there she was, for about, five years or four years after she was arrested. She died in 1614 at the age of 54 years old in her bed. And ever since then, the jury's kind of been out on whether she did it or did not do it, what the motivations could have been, why Matthias was so involved in this. Like, there's some speculation that Matthias ordered the investigation not because he believed in it, but because he knew that if the investigation went forward, then he would be absolved. The paying the debt off that he owed to Ferent and Elizabeth Bathory. And that might have been a big part of this. But we don't know. We still don't know to this day whether it is true or not. But I would say Rachel's, thesis paper, Lee was lean, 6040. I would say 70, 30 towards. She did it. And, yeah, I'm kind of going in that direction myself. Like, why?
>> Taylor: Why did she do it?
>> Farz: Why did Jeffrey Dahmer eat people and wrap their entrails around his neck and dance?
>> Taylor: So was she just, like, beating them? She's just, like, beating random girls to death for fun? I mean, I guess. I guess.
>> Farz: Yeah. That's what. That's what. Have you never heard of a serial killer?
>> Taylor: Like, no, I have, but, I mean, like. But I mean, they're like. She's not, like, going out to find them. They're like, they, like, are there.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's just having your accomplices gone to your villages and find someone, bring them to your house and. Listen, I am not saying that if I was worth, like, a trillion dollars, I wouldn't be doing that, but, like, at that point, you have everything in the world. Why not just go. Just go kill a bunch of people? Now you know what that feels like, too. I got to edit this out, don't I?
>> Taylor: That's not apropos of nothing.
>> Farz: Definitely have to edit this out. But, yeah, we don't know. We don't know. I mean, maybe. Maybe the rumors are true. Maybe she was bathing in blood. Who knows? The, thesis statement that Rachel Bledsoe wrote, one thing that she pointed out that was leaning towards the, the innocence piece had to do with, like, the way the confessions were obtained by her, conspirators. Because there was some. I can't remember exactly how she put it, but it was, like, a given that everybody was being tortured. Right? But there was something about, like, the timeline of when the torture could have potentially happened. That seems suspicious that everybody confessed these horrible, horrible crimes at the exact same time. And the fact that they also confess roughly the same amount of murders. They all confessed to around 50. It was, like, somewhere in the 45 to 55 range. All the accomplices said, like, that's how many women. Girls we killed for her or she.
>> Taylor: Killed, but I guess. And then that number of girls were missing.
>> Farz: Yeah. This is like. This is a time when your kid would just go into a field and never come home.
>> Taylor: Like I said, you could, like, fall into a hole. You could fall into a hole.
>> Farz: The. The. The Oregon Tr. No, not the Oregon Troll.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Farz: The dmer.
>> Taylor: Nope. Donner Party Donner.
Grace: Yeah. I feel like it's helpful to see Nosferatu
Thank you, Grace. yeah. Where the kids would just, like, run away and they would never come back.
>> Farz: Exactly.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So that's our story. Fun, fun. Elizabeth Bathory.
>> Taylor: She reminds me of Madame Lulari, you know.
>> Farz: Hey, can you not ruin things?
>> Taylor: M. Is that one of yours? Is that what you're doing? Oh, I'm sorry. It feels very similar. You can cut that out. Cut that out. no. I. I want to picture. I feel like it's helpful to have, like, see Nosferatu and, like, have, like, an idea of going up to a scary castle in, like, the middle of the. Of the forest, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah. I don't know if these castles are really gifts, because when you imagine yourself in these things, like, it sounds terrifying. It could be, like, a live bear in your castle and you wouldn't even know about it.
>> Taylor: Absolutely. Oh, my God. There's a thing in. Oh, I'm looking it up. There's a castle as a castle ruin. That might be her castle. But in the Great. That show about Catherine the Great, there's an episode where there's someone, like, brings into alligator, and no one's ever seen an alligator before. And it gets loose in, like, the, In the palace where, like, 300 people live there. And it's like the court. But then, like, people are like, I saw a monster. People are like, what? And they're like, there is a monster in my room. But it's like someone's loose alligator, but they've never seen one before. Like, no one could find it. Yeah.
>> Farz: It doesn't sound like a fun, luxurious experience to live in these places.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And, yeah, it's also gross.
>> Farz: especially because she had 26 of them, so, like, she could be. I mean, she could stay at one every two weeks a year and only do one rotation.
>> Taylor: Burned down in 1799. That's too bad. yeah, I feel like. And then there's people who, like, live in each of the castles forever and they have, like, normal life, except that one week when you're there, they get murdered.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. So I think that was also part of the appeal was like, hey, like surf girl or like, whatever. Like, you can come see how Elizabeth lives and hang out with Elizabeth. It's just like an enticing thing. It's like a candy. It's like a person in a van with like, candy, you know? But in this case, it's.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it seems like a little bit nicer than living in like a puddle of mud.
>> Farz: Shit covered hell.
>> Taylor: Yeah. that's exciting.
>> Farz: Yeah. So that's part one. I'm going to do part two, part three, and that'll be the encapsulation of women's history.
>> Taylor: I love it.
You should get married at a castle next time you get married
To Airbnb. A castle sometime.
>> Farz: Yeah, you gotta go. I think you gotta go to Europe for that.
>> Taylor: Oh, Castle Oriental is the United States, boo. Literally. Who cares? No, Europe. I want a brand new castle.
>> Farz: I don't know. The Hearst Castle will be fun.
>> Taylor: That's true. I would say at the Biltmore that we went to.
>> Farz: Oh, the Biltmore would have been great, too.
>> Taylor: There's cottages underneath this right here. For a cottage. Airbnb. I'm here for a castle. Give me. Oh, my God. Yeah, that'd be very fun. I would love to do that. cool. Thank you. That's exciting and scary and I love it.
>> Farz: It's very. It's very horror themed. Transylvania woman bathing in virgin blood. It's so. It's fun.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, it's super fun. sweet. Oh, this is cool. I'm sorry, I'm distracted by looking at castles on Airbnb.
>> Farz: No, don't, don't. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Oh, this one has a church in it. I guess they all would have had a church in them. Oh, and a barbecue. And a picture of a. Literally a church with pews. And the next one is someone grilling meat on a barbecue. Oh, good, they have a grill. I wonder if they have a hot tub. yeah, you should get married at a castle. Should I get married again? M. Next time you get married so that we have a reason to go to a castle. I feel like that's a good reason to go. cool. Well, thank you. That. That was awesome.
>> Farz: Yeah, it was fun. I, Yeah, every now and then I research something and it's like, it reinvigorates that reptilian part of My brain. That's, like, in the True Crime.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Farz: And also it's fun, too, because, like, there's. The historical record is kind of, like, all over the maps. Like, creates a lot of plot holes that you can just put your own.
>> Taylor: Assumptions into and just imagine, like, what it would have, like. Like, I imagine it was always cold, you know, and, like, you're always, like, trying to wear, like, another layer that is, like, molding apart because you don't want to die of coldness. You know, stuff like that. Yeah.
>> Farz: Just wear the skin of your peasants. Why not?
>> Taylor: I wonder if there's. I wonder if she kept trophies, you know, like. Oh, actually, kind of. Maybe. Then that kind of reminds me of, you know, in, Return to Oz.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Where she has a room full of heads.
>> Farz: I don't recall that.
>> Taylor: it's like, the scariest part. You might have blocked it out because it's like a nightmare. But, like, the. The witch, whoever it is, has, like, no head. And then she, like, picks different heads from this, like, room of heads. And the heads are just, like, pretty young women sleeping. And then they, like, kind of wake up sometimes and scream. Real scary.
>> Farz: That would be very fitting in this story.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I feel like that. That feels like something that.
>> Farz: It would be a miss opportunity if she didn't do that.
>> Taylor: Exactly. Like, what did she do with the bodies?
You never know when someone will die in your castle, right?
Like, though you talked about those. Those guys in India who were killing all those kids and just, like, throwing them over the wall in, like, the town.
>> Farz: Yeah, that's, I mean, you never know, because people will just die in your castle, too, right? Remember the two. What were the twins? The two boys that we were discussing.
>> Taylor: Yeah, the boys in the tower in Tower London. Yeah.
>> Farz: And then, like, they found, like, Two skeletons, like, 700 years later. I was like, wait, was this those two boys? It's like, I don't know. There's like, 800 people who were buried here.
>> Taylor: And like, that even then, like, the being entombed part as well. Like, you could just lose someone and be like, oh, God. Remember when I, like, tied faris to that pipe two months ago because I was mad at him? I forgot about him. Do you think he's still alive? And he'd be like, oh, no, he's not. But that was like, damn it. You know, when I left my castle, I forgot to untie all the people I tied to poles in the dungeon.
>> Farz: So he's stinking up the place, throwing the septic tank. Call it a day.
>> Taylor: Yeah, exactly.
>> Farz: Very, very fun.
Taylor: I got some suggestions for Women's History Month via Instagram
Well, Taylor, do You have any listener mail?
>> Taylor: I, got a couple suggestions for Women's History Month via Instagram that I appreciate that are not serial killers. And some of them I will be taking up on. So excited.
>> Farz: Very, very fun. if you have other suggestions, any ideas, any thoughts, any considerations, concerns, whatever you want to talk about.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: To us at Doom. They fallpod@gmail.com. we actually do read everyone and, write to us and follow us on the social Doom to fell pod on all these socials, including Tick tock, which Taylor has been super active.
>> Taylor: Thank you. It's super fun. Yeah, a lot of Tick Tock comments and stuff. So thank you everyone on there as well. I, just wanted to end with also on Airbnb after I got off the castles, there's a shepherd's hut that is literally a mound of dirt that you can rent for $100 a night. so you can cosplay as a peasant if you want to as well. That's not impossible.
>> Farz: There's definitely people who also go to ren faires who would do that.
>> Taylor: That's true. I do want to go to a ren fair. I went to one once. I'd like to go to more. Me too.
>> Farz: Again, that's like a once every 15 years thing.
>> Taylor: That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. And then you go see in a castle or your house.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Not like this mud hut. I think it's in France. It is. It's a yurt.
>> Farz: Unpopular opinion given what we're talking about. I think Medieval Times sucks.
>> Taylor: Oh, no, I love it.
>> Farz: It's like you can't eat your food comfortably because there's, like, dust everywhere and. Can you hear that?
>> Taylor: I did hear that. The dog. Yeah.
>> Farz: I'm gonna mute myself. You keep talking.
>> Taylor: This. This yurt has a 4.9. my friend Jason from high school went to the Medieval Times in Las Vegas, which is the, like, show at the Excalibur, and he almost died because he figured out he was allergic to horses as soon as he walked in. And they had to, like, take away an ambulance.
>> Farz: Yeah. Lessons. Lessons learned. Know if you're gonna go into anaphylactic shock around a horse before you go, in.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So he's definitely would not have made it in Medieval Times. Gone quite young. Cool. Now we're just babbling, and I'm looking at yurts in Spain.
>> Farz: Anything else, Taylor, before we sign off the Babel?
>> Taylor: No, thank you. Thank you, everyone.
>> Farz: Sweet. Well, please again, write to us@unifilpgmail.com and we will see you again in a few days. Thank you.
>> Taylor: Thanks.