Doomed to Fail

Ep 18 - Part 1: BFFs Gone Wrong - Bernie Tiede

Episode Summary

Once upon a time, Bernie Tiede became BFFS with an old lady - she wasn't very nice. Eventually, he killed her. A tale as old as time (it's not that, but it's a tale). Join us for re-release of Episode 18 part 1!

Episode Notes

Once upon a time, Bernie Tiede became BFFS with an old lady - she wasn't very nice. Eventually, he killed her. A tale as old as time (it's not that, but it's a tale).

Join us for re-release of Episode 18 part 1! 

Episode Transcription

Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor

 

hi everyone welcome to this week's re-release today we are re-releasing

episode 18 part one on Bernie teed and Bernie had a friend named margerie who

was older than him and she wasn't very nice but did he need to kill her I don't

I don't think so you can probably just you know stop talking to someone rather than kill them like most likely 99.9% of

the time definitely do that um this will move movie about this story it's called Bernie actually haven't seen it but it's

with Jack Black but I wanted to tell you all that I watched the recent Jumanji and Jack Black is just what a gift to

humanity that that man exists so um hope you enjoy this week's re-release and as

a reminder we are re-releasing our first 26 episodes that we did two stories per show re-releasing them one at a time so

you can listen to them on their own and when we get to 26 we'll have to think of something else to give you on Fridays

but for now um enjoy episode 18 part one I'm Bernie teed thanks tide I don't know

I can't remember matter of the people of State of California versus orth James Simpson case number ba09 and so my

fellow Americans ask not what your country can

do for you ask what you can do for your country look what one got me this is the

visual part okay Taylor's showing me a sign that says on air it's like an old tiny

it takes me back to watching Frasier I used to like to watch Frasier does it look backwards to you no you screenshot

it looks it's backwards to me it says on air there we go we got it all right it's

very exciting now my lights on and I'm ready good good the light that only you

can see the light that only I can see so yeah we'll go ah and kick things off um hi everyone welcome to Doom to

fail I'm fars joined here by Taylor hi Taylor how are you good like trying to

figure out where to put my on air sign I feel like it needs to be not a problem I'm gonna put it on my door I think it

needs to go outside it needs to be something that you can like trigger Taylor just got a lovely on air sign one

of those old timey ones that radio people used to have uh and it looks great it looks very

professional like a ring light just like us we're super professional super profession as always so per usual we're

going to be doing two stories one historical One True Crime around relationships that we're do to fail and

um we I think I go first this time yeah yes okay so why don't we start by you

telling us what your drink is Taylor I will then segue into my drink and story great um today I'm drinking holy water

straight from Jesus's breast loving nipple I don't know where holy you know

blessed water is holy water just any water that a pastor yeah I remember like I used to

there was a Catholic Church my mom had us go to a couple times when I was like a teen and there was like a water

fountain and it was like this water fountain has been blessed or like the pipe had been blessed it like went to the little fountain that had the thing so that like covered it so you didn't

have to bless like all the droplets of water individually in like the bird bath that you put the baby

in it feels cheap to do it that way that's all I I want every vessel to

be blessed as the water comes into it me too absolutely I'm perfectionist though you know that about me uh so yours is

holy water um which I don't think you're supposed to drink but what do I know I can't hurt prob can't hurt hydrated yeah

yeah yeah yeah yeah it's Jesus water hydrates better than regular water it's like gator it's got electrolytes my dream today is Prickly

Pear because we are going to be covering a rather prickly individual in today's True Crime Story and it takes place in

Texas which is not the home of pear I feel like that's more of like a New

Mexico or Arizona thing but you can definitely get some good prickly pear juice in Texas as well so just like the

juice of a prickly pear not like a prickly pear Margarita just the juice of a prickly pear you know what's funny is

when I was researching this I actually looked up prickly pair recipes and I found the margarita one and it looked so good and I was like write it down and I

got into researching the story and I forgot to write down the recipe for the prickly pair there's someone here in Joshua Tree that like I follow on

Instagram who has a prickly pair and like a store or something and they made they made a perly peir Margarita it looks really fun it looks delicious it

looks incredible yeah it's a lovely color it's fuchsia if you so just so everybody knows because y'all might not

know quickly pair it's a cactus but it's a cactus that has that like Little Flower at the very top that's like a very very bright fuchsia color and

that's the thing that you can open up and drink which like if you're ever in the desert you can open a quickly pair

and drink that and you'll be fine well you'll still probably die but yeah that's mostly from the animals that are

going to Maul your bones yeah so okay my story thank you my story today

is about the relationship between a man named Bernie teed and margorie

nent have you heard these names before I don't think so okay you will probably

remember as I as I go into this because this is actually a pretty famous case Bernie was actually famously played by

actor Jack Black in the 2011 film by Richard linklater titled

Bernie do you does that ring a bell no damn

okay uh I will say this if you haven't seen it you should it is a amazing movie

it is so fun it's fun it's funny it's dark it's witty it's clever it's like it

the Ambiance of it is just fantastic Jack Black plays a f fantastic character

and Shirley mlan is kind of like the I don't know the the his other lead in the movie and she's obviously amazing in

everything she does as well but the movie itself and the story that I'm going to go into both kind of Hit the

tone of what would we essentially classified as dark humor because um it is about murder but it is fun it's a fun

murder so um it does say and this I feel like is ties to us it says the book is

based on it's called Midnight in the Garden of East Texas yes yeah I'm gonna write so it's not a book it's an article

um got it and I'm gonna reference that article a lot because that was the origination point so Richard link later

are you familiar with him the director I'm gonna say yes yes confused okay it

was funny because the way you phrase it I was like I'll say yes as long as you don't ask any follow-up questions I'm looking it up now I can answer now that

it is that I'm on um Wikipedia but yes yeah no he's a he's

a he's great his movies are fantastic um he's an Austin native this story takes

place in East Texas which isn't terribly far from Austin and so it got a lot of press coverage in Texas monthly when it

was published and that was the basis that article was the basis for everything we're going to discuss here

including the movie so let's get into it uh

so I'm gonna get into the story here in a minute but first I just want to set the tone of how people in the city where

this took place felt about the individuals that we're going to be discussing again the names are margorie nen she goes by Marge and Bernie teed

goes by Bernie so here Mar in the movie is that shy mlan shy McLean yeah so here

are direct quotes from that article you just referenced okay one of them says

quote if I made a list of people I knew were going to heaven Bernie would be the first on that list and quote I love it

referencing Marge quote if she had held her nose any higher she would have drowned in a rainstorm end quote this is

from A city councilman named Olan jafreen who said quote from the day that

deep freeze was opened you haven't been able to find anyone in town saying poor Mrs new Jen people here here saying poor

Bernie end quote spoiler alert margin's up in a deep freeze so that's where this

quote comes from so let's get into the story itself so like I said so this is a Texas town it's called Carthage it's in

East Texas it's very very close to Louisiana border it's very small town it's completely flat you can look up

Google images of it it is just like this small Texas town it's what it

reminds me of the town in Napoleon Dynamite it reminds me of all the little

cities that um that Anton shager from no country

from old men visited yeah it has that kind of a feel to it I see so small Tas

town it's a very little te small Texas town like the people there are just exactly what you would expect is predominantly white it's lower middle

class uh and that's generally like the the person types these people just go to church they go to church they go to

local Diner they just live simple lives I'll put it that way what's interesting

is for some reason that I couldn't totally totally hone in on Carthage was just full of these like Rich one-off

individuals where these people made money in oil in Texas and then would relocate to Carthage to die basically

for some reason there's a bunch of those there that also Segways in a Marge in her story as well but getting into

Bernie Bernie himself was a funeral director in Carthage so he's a mortician

uh I actually hadn't thought about this before I started researching this story but if you're in a small town and you're a funeral director it's kind of like a

powerful position to have so it feels kind of like almost like a sheriff or a pastor because at some point nearly

every person in that town is going to have to interface with you in some way and you're going to have to solve a very

very complicated emotionally charged situation for them and so so you kind of

like get this kind of midest touch of everybody in town needing to know you

and liking you in large part and Bernie was exactly that he was beloved in

Carthage like absolutely beloved he was a happy guy take a look at his

pictures he just seems like somebody's just constantly smiling like he he does not have bad days rain does not fall on

him when he walks around that's how I see his pictures have you seen his are you looking I'm trying to find him in

real life what's his last name in real life t t i e d

e this is a silent portion of the a audio medium that we're using I see oh I

mean great casting great job everyone right yeah he's super yeah he's just a super likeable guy uh he was a community

guy he always was he was super involved in his church he was on on chire inquire

whatever you however You' phrase that uh and he also had a habit of going like above and beyond for his clients so he

had a habit of after the services for weeks and weeks and weeks onward

checking in on his clients who were usually old widows or widowers and just

making sure they're doing okay bringing them food and things like that he was just such a nice guy you know like I I don't I I'm

trying to I feel like I knew someone like this in high school and a part of me was always like ah what what are you

hiding why are you trying to be this nice like there's nothing there's got to be something behind those those gestures

yeah um so the article that I referenced for the story there was there's two of them one of them you already referenced

there's another another article I referenced well that one is called the bizarre story of Bernie teed and the

real murder case that inspired the movie Bernie by Neil patmore not a very creative title he could have probably

cut that in half but it is what it is uh and in that article it was said that he was widely regarded as the nicest man in

town Bernie was so that's one side of this equation this Angelic human who

just loves to serve his community and everybody loves to be around on the other side you have his former client

Marjorie Marge new Jen who met Bernie as he took care of her late husband's

funeral arrangements so like I said earlier marg's late husband was one of these

Uber Rich dudes and the oil industry who made a ton of money Marg was actually originally from Carthage and so whenever

they got into their Twilight years he decided hey let's go back to Carthage uh and settle down there they bought a huge

house like way too big for two elderly people who can barely walk 10 feet without falling down it is estimated

that his net worth that he bequeathed to Marge was somewhere in the range of $10 million give or take yeah he they I mean

they were like they bought a bank Taylor like that's the kind of money they owned the only

Bank in town that's the kind of money these people had yeah yeah that's money and that's power exactly influence power

all of it uh so contrasting her reputation to

Bernie's her reputation was the meanest woman in Carthage oh so Bernie

manages marg's husband's funeral and per usual starts following up with Mars This

was part of his routine just making sure that she's okay what's going on and in doing so he noticed that she has nobody

like he go to the house and there was just nobody it's just this woman sitting

alone in this giant house with nothing anything had a kid totally a strange

literally nobody liked her nobody wanted to be around her yeah that was her that was her General Vibe so she was

basically sat alone in this house and Bernie who by all accounts is this

incredibly empathetic human being just felt so bad for her and so he made a point to go out of his way to spend time

with her he'd go over there he'd hang out he they'd go out to dinner together and they started becoming kind of a

thing so they even go so far as to take like these International trips at this time Bernie would have been 39 and she

would have been 81 years old so she wasn't he wasn't in a relationship no by most accounts people

assumed he's gay people in Carthage assumed he's gay and um and I'm I'm

actually gonna go to a quote that was like great it was such it's most Texas quote calling someone gay you'll possibly ever hear but they would start

going on these trips together so they were becoming kind of like a thing and the article you quoted earlier is what

I'm going to quote here so that is called Midnight in the Garden of East Texas that's by a man named skip

hollandsworth who did all this research he did a fantastic job he was he like basically lived in Carthage to like get

the story out he would talk to people the town folks everything and um in in one of the diners he was at when people

brought up Bernie and the idea of him dating a woman somebody said this a quote you can tell he's never been deer

hunting in his life end quote like that's the way that get it he said that

they all thought he was gay but nobody cared I mean everybody makes Sexes out to be this like Prejudice place like most nobody gives a [ __ ] Texas is

beautiful because nobody cares what you do you just do your own thing and nobody BS you and nobody cared that he was they thought he was gay they were like he's

gay it is what it is he's a nice guy it doesn't matter so at some point uh

during this friendship relationship whatever you want to call it Bernie to his credit never said they dated but

everybody was like it's weird they sleep in the same room and are always together so who knows what's happening Bernie

quit his job to basically just manage Mar's business account uh business become her business manager basically

because she had all these different interests right like she had the stock port and she owned a bank and she all this bills had to be paid stuff had to

be taken care of she eventually made Bernie the sole beneficiary to her will

and instructed Bernie that upon her death her family was not to get a dime of her

inheritance and the way Wills are done you can't manipulate someone into doing

this you there there's there's got to be attestation there's got to be Witnesses there's questions around your competency

there arest like Bernie didn't force her to do this she just did it on her own win because this is the only person she

had in her life this relationship with Bernie and Marge just like every other relationship Marge seems to have with

another human turned abusive Bernie would later state that quote she was

just so controlling she felt like she could own me and I guess to some degree she did end quote you see this in the

movie there's a great scene in the movie where there's like an armadillo or a posum in the backyard and she's like

kill it kill it it's going to come in the house and she uh gives a gun to Bernie and Bernie just can't bring

himself to hurt it and she's just like bantering him and saying what a wuss he is like that's probably the exact vibe

that this woman had with him she sounds awful yeah yeah so yeah so three years

after this Arrangement started bony would eventually shoot and kill Marge at

her home in the driveway shooting her in the back with a gun like one of her guns

a 22 and he would take her body and wrap it up in sheets put it at the bottom of a

deep freeze a freezer and then pour put food on top of it to make it seem like there's something going on when this

event took place Bernie had full control of marg's finances so he had um Power of

Attorney not only did he get the inheritance I mean he wouldn't get the inheritance now anyways cuz at this

point nobody knows she's dead so there's no will to be executed on but but he had

full power of attorney so he could write checks anyways he could withdraw money could do whatever he wanted with her bank account so with the knowledge that

she's dead and that he now has access to these millions and millions of dollars Bernie starts basically just being a

philanthropist it is estimated that he distributed somewhere around $2 million

of margin's money through various different philanthropic Endeavors he

would pay People's College tuitions he would offer scholarships to people he would buy people cars who needed

Vehicles he would um donate to the church and like he all there was one

story that um I forgot what it was something it was

something about I remember there was a there was a trophy store in town so this this town this store just made trophies

and one year it was going to shut down because there was not that much business

obv VI L and the team the the girls team or something had just won some

basketball or softball thing and he was like he paid the store to stay open for

the next like year so that they would have the time to make trophies for this

team he thought it was bad that the team won and they didn't get a trophy he was just he was just a sweet guy right he

just such a sweet thoughtful guy there was definitely a trophy store in my town growing up yeah yeah I mean I don't

recall having one but never won a trophy so it doesn't matter um so all the while

while this is going on he's telling people that Marge was either sick or that she was out of town on a trip or

doing something for nine months and for the most part nobody cared don't think

no one cared yeah because on the one hand Bernie's awesome he was awesome anyways now he's awesome because he's

awesome just giving everybody money second March sucks so who cares if she's not around nobody cared

so everybody wins basically so it is worth noting that

amidst all this stuff that's going on there's also like weird litigation happening amongst margin her family

because the husband divested everybody but Marge of his inheritance Marge is

making claims and has in fact divested everybody of the rest of that inheritance and so all these people are

jockeying to understand it's kind of like when and Nicole Smith's husband died and then all the entire family just

poured in and started suing everybody saying like who's GNA get the money who should get what that's basically what happened here yeah so despite the fact

that nobody actually gave a [ __ ] about marg's well-being or what's going on with her they cared to the extent that

she was part of litigation that had to be addressed as it related to the money and the will so her death had obvious

Financial impacts and so they needed to stay on top of her not because they gave a [ __ ] about her wellbeing because they

needed to know what to do next with the litigation so yeah yeah her estranged son Rod nent he lived in Amaro

apparently he was successful he was he's a pathologist a doctor he has a family there doing his own thing uh and he

obviously given that he's an amarillo and he's totally a stranger from his mom has no Insight in what berne's doing in

Carthage so at the 9month Mark nobody no lawyers no family

nobody's heard of Marge and Rod decides to go to Carthage to be

like what's going on let's go to the house and figure out what's going on so he goes with his daughter to Carthage they let themselves in they

walk around the house no sign of life nothing going on it's worth noting Bernie had his own house so he wasn't

there right I was gonna ask did he live there he didn't okay he didn't Marge bought him a house like gave him or gave

him a zero interest loan to buy the house but then she died so he just bought the house um eventually they

would uncover her body in the free and obviously Rod reported this to the

police the police immediately showed up and the first person they questioned was Bernie for sure Bernie that did this

yeah so he he immediately admitted to killing I mean you look at this guy and

like he's not like a Savage he's not a guy you who's going to like have to get worked over with a good cop bad cop

routine he's a soft guy right he just totally so he immediately confesses killing her I'm going to go into my

usual legal procedure mode here for a minute there's a pre-trial concept known as change of venue which just means

moving a trial away from where the events that are subject to that trial took place to ensure a fair trial yeah

like everyone knows you you can't right but but but no so this is interesting this is diff this is different than what

you're perceiving there usually the reason to do this is because the defendant could not be afforded a fair

trial in that area because it's presumed that everybody would hate them so for example Timothy McVey wasn't tried in

Oklahoma City like none of these guys get tried the place do the ACT yeah you couldn't he would have been like well he

died anyway but it would have been faster had been in Oklahoma City yeah

yeah I mean he would he would they would have [ __ ] dragged him out of the courthouse and lynched him in the streets like I mean it would have been terrible well not terrible that probably

would should have been a good thing yeah it would been awesome yeah yeah so in this case the prosecution because

usually it's so interesting because it's always the defendants that ask for change of venue because they're the ones

who are trying to ensure a fair trial yeah and here the proc ution as the change of any because they're trying to get a fair trop and they asked it

because they're like everybody [ __ ] loves Bernie and hates March so there's no chance that this jury pool is gonna

convict this guy of this crime oh my God and so and so that's what they end up doing so it's called jury nullification

it's when the jury basically says like we know you did it we don't care so it happens like every now and then it

happens but uh it's rare but in this case they're like that's going to happen so Bernie was ultimately found

guilty of first-degree murder and he was sentenced to life in prison and this happened in 1998 that's when he got

sentenced to life in prison it was obviously not a good experience for

Bernie he was immediately attacked by his fellow inmates because he's in there

for first-degree murder you're in there with like cartel guys you're in there with like ms3 gang members and you see

Bernie this chubby guy with this beard who like wants to sing in the choir and praise Jesus all day like walking in

like of course he's a mark of course you're going to take advantage of that so he he regardless of his horrible

experience at the onset of being in prison he eventually did find his n he's just one of those guys who just fits into he's like water he fits in any

container you put him in so he became a pillar of the prison Community essentially so he was regarded as a

model prisoner he was part of the prison choir because of course he was he would

teach Health classes to inmates and again everybody who knew him loved

him the guards loved him the inmates loved him he was just a fantastic guy all around fast forward 13 years to

2011 okay the movie Bernie comes out and there's an Austin based lawyer named

Jody Cole who saw the movie and reached out to Richard link later to learn more

about the case because Richard and um the skip skip hollinsworth they they worked on the screenplay together and

and they were they had a ton of background information on this case she would learn a detail about Bernie's life

that we don't know for sure is true or not but was corroborated through like

Bernie never talked about it but it was corroborated through journals that were found of his which is he was sexually

abused as a child by his uncle So based on this and based on some

of the research that jod Cole ended up doing on what happens to someone when they're sexually molested in a young age

they she asserted in an appeal she filed on behalf of Bernie that because of the

sexual abuse and because Marge was abusive to him as well he basically went

into this disassociative state which basically just means like you're just distant right like you just don't you're not really all the way

present to what's going on and because of that that's the cause of this this murder and you can't put all the blame

on on Bernie for it so the judge did buy this and did

state that if I had known that I probably would not have sentenced him to the extent that I sentenced him at the

time and a new trial was set not to determine guilt because he was obviously

guilty he confess to it it was set to determine the sentencing and to reud the

sentencing in interim the judge released Bernie on bail on the condition that he

lived with Richard linkl at his Austin home which he did which yeah they're

like like you're under this guy's Ward as long as you're under this guy's Ward will allow you to be released basically

that's so weird it's one of those things I mean Richard linklater is kind of like an Austin institution the way like Willie Nelson is right it's like it's

like we trust him so that's why you can be released to him so he lived with

Richard link later uh from 2014 till 2016 so at the

resentencing hearing which then took place in 16 marg's son testified about

how sweet and loving a mother she was and you know so much of that just like

smacks me of like we just a grandis the dead you know like yeah yeah when someone's dead it's like it's the whole

don't speak ill of the Dead um but it's like like nobody felt that way like like

you didn't feel that way you didn't talk to your mom for nine months totally lost like so again like the entire family was

a strange from her she voluntarily removed her kids from the will and it

was clear that like there was not a cohesive thing going on between the family it's not like they were going be friends no yeah what's funny is during

the trial the county commissioner for Carthage who knew Marge like really really well said Marge actually told him

specifically quote I'll spend every dime of my money before I leave it to my family she [ __ ] hated her so funny

and these guys were showing up in courts like she was a she was a loving mother and she was this and that well I mean

they want her money and they should I don't know it doesn't sound like there's a good reason for them not to have it just that she was a [ __ ] well they here

okay so here's the thing in this situation no nobody gets the money so the way the way it works oh because it

went to Bernie and he's in jail it was yeah so there's several things going on one is What's called the Slayer statutes

and the other one is called this cheating to the state so a Slayer statute says that you C A person who kills another person cannot become the

beneficiary of the person's inheritance that SS Fair which means it skips Bernie

and goes to the state which is called is cheating to the state so like the state ends up getting that money so none of it ends up going to the family anyways so

that's where that's where that ended up I'm I'm I'm sure the son sued the state

to figure out like how he can get his hands on the money but yeah as I think he should yeah yeah yeah [ __ ] awful

so marg's sister is a woman named Merill rhods and she was also at the resentencing hearing for burn

and she goes quote I was always afraid of her I never forgot that she was my

sister I always loved her as a sister actually even when she did ugly things and she did end quote and then her son

who's marg's nephew said the portrayal of her aunt by Shirley mlan in the movie was completely accurate and recounted

all the abuse she would hurl his way it's like I don't know I don't buy Rod's perception that like my mom his mom was

like a loving woman it's like like I don't know smells like a duck sounds like a duck you know yeah

so I don't know how I feel about this but like ultimately Bernie didn't get much better of a sentence he ended up

receiving 99 years but he became eligible for parole so he's eligible for parole in about six years from now so in

2029 he's going to be eligible at that time he'll be 71 years old and we'll see

what happens but so we got like a weird two years out yeah yeah he got two years out yeah but

it was it was you should read that article the I mean at least read the first half of it because there's a lot of stuff that I didn't put in into this

that that I read in there which was this the diner talk the diner talk around Carthage where you have like the the

sheriff of the city you have the prosecution who were like this guy killed an 81y old woman and all these

people are coming up to him in the diner saying go easy on Barney he's a good guy like he's just like what is going like this dis I used disassociative State

like what is happening like why they know like what the trigger was like what happened they don't know we don't know

what what the trigger was at least I didn't read I didn't understand what the trigger was presumably it was just like abuse just like yelling and screaming

and being being a total bee and him just losing and like whatever I'm just going to kill you I can't take this but was interesting is like they asked Bernie

they're like why didn't you just like get rid of her body because the prosecution did state that if they hadn't found the body they never would

have been able to charge him with anything and um and he was like his his

quote on this is because everybody deserves a good funeral and know I was

wondering what his mortician is because I feel like as a mortician you'd be really good hiding a body but also maybe you have like that um yeah like just

like that that like loyalty to giving someone a bury all the way that you've done it for so long that's so interesting because yeah you figure like

if anyone would know how to do it right yeah I mean I thought that his move was pretty good of just stuff in the body in

a freezer like then it's not going to rot and you know who goes digging in the bottom of freezers besides rod um I know

it's it's interesting that they found her in there I feel like for the most part you'd be like I don't know yeah

because you got to wonder well they wanted her well they wanted to like deal with it like if she's dead then they can work on her inheritance did they know

that it was going to Bernie I don't think they knew that no no the the people were strange they

didn't have any communication and the will and because nobody knew she was dead the will was never executed on so they wouldn't have known that anything

had gone anywhere any of the money had transition from one account to the other right so it's a interesting story The

the movie is phenomenal like it's not a sad movie it's it's fun I really really really did like it uhin worth watch

she's awesome and she plays such a mean woman she's so good like she's so freaking good in um Ste Magnolia it's

like unbelievable and that was like 30 40 years ago um I know that you're a

Texas person um but I also just want to say again that people should not have

guns you know I just like left and not killed her like what would he have strangled her

you think no he's too soft he's too soft for that yeah there

was somebody did his sister did bring up like why didn't she just leave and it was something about like she just like

she just controls everything because at that point she was everything to him she was his finances like she bought his

house like everything wrapped up in her which is like super manipulative and

like that's something that like people who are like that they do is make you really dependent on them and then they abuse you that's what an abuser does

it's like their spouse you know yeah they'll be like you can't leave you don't have a job you don't have any

skills you know whatever like yeah it's interesting because it's actually the exact same story we keep telling

ourselves over and over again except it's reverse it is always it's usually older man younger girl richer man poor

girl in this case it's the exact opposite like super a feminine

docile dude against like an old Rich lady who's just like like super Alpha

like over the top um and this how it ended but yeah your your question about

the guns is interesting I guess if he didn't have access to he probably would have

just tried to leave her or something I don't know yeah but anyways uh that's

that's the story and like red flag wise I I don't know because I don't know if I feel bad that he killed her because it

feels like she deserves to die well I feel like I feel like it's a red flag that like I don't know those

relationships ever work out well you know where like someone is like depending on you to like do stuff for

them and they're like paying you but they're like oh we're just friends I'm going to like give you some money but then like it always turns weird you know

that you're like you can't take like a $200,000 interest free loan from a friend and remain in the same level you

know yeah they'll always have that to hold against you in like whatever way yeah so are we sad that Marge is dead no

of course not okay nobody giv sh she'd be dead anyway yeah [ __ ] her yeah okay good good that was uh that was

very that was that was probably the mo least gr gross story I've told and probably most heartwarming it wasn't

very gross I I I will watch this movie Jack we I haven't we've been watching him or they just went to see uh Mario

Brothers and Jack Black plays uh Bowser oh nice I want to see that movie too yeah it's cute did you go too no they

went while I was gone but they keep playing the Peaches song Because Bowser's like in love with peaches and he plays the song but peaches and I know

they love it they they keep playing it nice nice so in your case we're drinking holy

water yeah just like pretend to [Music]