Yay! Let's talk about The Warrens. We love them (Taylor specifically loves Patrick Wilson, try not to agree). They are liars and money-makers, but who cares? We love their stories and can't wait to share them. Also, Taylor hit an owl with her car while listening to 'Demon Hunters' - probably fine.
Yay! Let's talk about The Warrens. We love them (Taylor specifically loves Patrick Wilson, try not to agree). They are liars and money-makers, but who cares? We love their stories and can't wait to share them. Also, Taylor hit an owl with her car while listening to 'Demon Hunters' - probably fine.
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hello Taylor from Doom to fail I'm here with episode 18 part two and oh my God how much do I love this story like
honestly just so much um this is a story of Ed and Lorraine warrren they were if
you don't know but you should know I'm sure you know um they were like spiritualists and Demon Hunters their
book is called Demon Hunter I have it it's so good um and they you know would go to people's houses and get rid of
their ghosts and they are famous now because of movies like The Conjuring and um the amville horror they were like
they were involved in that somehow um and I mean I don't believe them I think
that they are um I think they're making it up but I also don't care um and we'll
talk about this sort of at the end of this episode but I mean if you like think that you're possessed by a demon
and someone comes to your house and is like you're not possessed anymore and you feel better then who cares you know
so I don't know I think they made it all up but they're very very fun and they brought us the conjuring movies which are some of my absolute favorite um so
yeah listen to the story I also I may or may not have summoned a demon so it's not not possible during the story as
well so let us know what you think and a matter of the people of the State of California versus orthal James Simpson
case number ba09 and so my fellow Americans ask not what your country can
do for you ask what you can do for your [Music]
country play the Peacher song in with peaches song about peaches and I know
they love it they they keep playing it nice nice so in your case we're drinking holy
water yeah just like pretend to like Splash it on you and make the sign of the
cross good okay done close close okay oh yeah right that thing yes um now we've
we've we've blessed ourselves um cool so I will okay I don't know I don't know what I'm doing I thought this was
going to be two parts now I think it's only one and I kind of changed what I was talking about in the middle of reading it last night
but I'm just going to do anyway so I started um researching this like a
couple weeks ago because I knew that I was going to drive to LA and have some time in the car and like have some time to listen to books and stuff so I did
that and so it's a huge story I have a lot of thoughts but I just wanted to talk about like a little bit of it and
then like a history of something in it but the story itself kind of takes place in the 1970s so not super long ago but
like it's still in the past so I'm gonna do some things I'm gonna lay out some facts and you tell me who we're talking
about I'm gonna have you guess again okay okay so we're going to talk about a couple things this couple themselves in
their history talk about Folly AO like two people kind of leaving something weird and the history of
exorcism can you think of a couple I have another oh my God the
warrant yes the Warren good job good job I love that we the exact same diet of
media like we just like yeah on par I was gonna my my next hint was going to
be some of the best horror movies and the most handsome man in horror Patrick
Wilson uh is that the guy who plays the man Warren yeah he plays Ed Warren um
okay our friend J our friend Jay and I like Swoon we talk about it he's so handsome
to us and he also Jay Godfrey swoons over Patrick whatever his name is yeah
totally Patrick Wilson um maybe maybe not Swoon but he loves him too um but then I also one time this is not
anything to do with this but Patrick Wilson also can sing and he played Carly from Oklahoma on Broadway and
like that's all the things he's so handsome and I love Oklahoma so it's very exciting so he's the best so yes
we're talking about Ed and R Warren so they are demonologists mediums public
speakers exorcists authors collectors and Marcus Last podcast yeah he calls
them Christian superheroes but essentially I don't I do not believe them I think that they are
charlatans exactly they're 100% charlatans their history is like of just
being complete dead beats and then finding a niche and like yeah they they just like struck they just struck gold
with a niche and and it's all lies it's all [ __ ] and Bill didn't happen like
of course we'll talk about I'm your story I'm Your Story going to do next week so we'll talk about all the all the
movies later I was going to do that next week but we'll just do it now because it just was like this this has been a lot so yes exactly like you said like in
amville there was a horrible tragedy that we'll talk about they were making stuff up the nfield case in Enfield case
in England that was all made up by the girls so the stuff is all definitely made up but so I'm reading this story and here's the following things that
happened to me so I read their book The demonologist and then I bought it because it's kind of fun so I have it here the demonologist by the rain Warren
good and the guy who reads it reads it in a Long Island accent which is like also very fun because that's like kind they're from Connecticut so it's like
that so this is them I'll put this picture but that's what they look like not as handsome as Patrick won IRL so
okay so I'm listening to their book on the way home from when miles and I had dinner with you and I hit an owl
fart isn't that crazy that I hit an owl with my car it's fine I just hit it
swing but so I was like whoa I'm listening to this thing about demons I just hit an owl and then my radio a
different time went into a weird setting and it was like type in your code and it kept going 66666666 by
itself and then my Arlo is keep telling me there's a person in my backyard and
there's no person back there and then my Alexa keeps playing music for no reason so I'm like did I summon a
demon uh probably not but like miles walks in the background on you
miles you summon the AL haven't you oh my
God all right I'll be right down okay okay so anyway all those things happened I thought they were kind of crazy you
know so I was like if you look for demons they're you're going to find demons which is exactly the point you know so the AL thing is kind of freaky
though like that's not like a weird like I mean yes technology glitches but like Alice have consistently been a to topa
of death and you hitting one I swing it
flew away but that's so weird right I've never hit an owl before yeah I was like
like a car miles was like what is happening also there's a new I wrote am
I the algorithm or is the algorithm me because there's a new Conjuring series on HBO coming up soon so like I'm just
like I don't know did I know that when I said you did this I don't know but that's coming up soon um I was also at a hotel all week this week so I was
watching The Unexplained on Netflix with William Shatner there's a couple episodes about demons that are fun um he
looks terrible he looks like he's a dead person telling you the show he looks super old but there's a an episode where
a lady is like I think that my house is haunted it came with all this furniture this chair right here the guy died in it
and they found him a week later I was like that chair away yeah why would you want that in your house yeah so anyway
it's fun if you ever want to watch that so Ed Warren was a demonologist which is essentially like he studied demons um he
says he's the only person allowed to perform ex exorcisms are recognized for them outside of the Catholic church I'll
talk about more that of that in a second so their story is in the it's is you
know in the 1970s 60s but I want to talk about exorcism like as a historical
thing in a in different religions as well so another thing for the that's fun
like so the the book demonologist is fun some stuff that Ed clarifies in the book it's like written by them and another
writer who like wrote it you know what I mean it's like sometimes it's in his voice but for the record many times
exorcisms like they're not ghosts they are demons so you're not talking about a ghost you're talking about a demon but
he's saying that ghosts do exist because of things that are like this kind of makes sense where he's like of course
you see ghosts of Victorian women in houses because that's when like the oldest houses that we have were built
and women died in them all the [ __ ] time like having babies and stuff so like of course if you have if you bring
a newborn baby into an old Victorian house there's a really good chance that there is a woman who died in child birth
there that's going to come and try to look at your baby in the middle of the night and I'm like feel like that makes sense what do you think you feel about
that how do you feel about ghosts so I do think that when I was when we were working in the billmore that I that I
saw a woman I do remember that and I just convinced myself that I
didn't you know but I was like but I know I did yeah you know the last place
the black doia was seen alive the bore Lobby hotel or the lobby bar yeah yeah
no I um I was playing in that back unfinished part of the builtmore by and
I was playing pong with somebody else and they whacked the ball past me and I
tried to like spin to get it and as I spun I saw a woman standing behind me in
all white and then I got I like finished the spin and I
turned back around and there was nobody there okay well I I'm obviously like not religious
and I'm saying there's no demons but like I believe you [ __ ] that scares me
but I mean tell her to be fair I was I also vividly remember being like six years old and my mom asked me to go get
something from her room and seeing Skeletor there like Skeletor stand in
her room M have a Skeletor poster she no it
was like a real Skeletor and I saw it with my eyes and was like and then I looked back on like I was probably
playing with a Skeletor doll and then just imagined it you know so I well so yes so that's actually that's the thing
so Ed Warren is like I don't believe in like a literal flaming hell but I he does believe in like the dichy dichotomy
of Good and Evil and like light and dark and like one thing or the other and like that there are other things happening in
like different planes so it feels it sounds like something that I could maybe get on board with is the idea of like a
spectral plane time has no meaning different dimensions something Collective unconscience like in your head like there's a lot more going on in
like our brains than we know which like I think could account for some of that yeah yeah I by that yeah um so anyway
that's just I'm scared a little bit like I I feel like I see ghosts at my house sometimes they're like corner of the eye
ghosts that kind of like like kind swish past you know what I mean someone there like no it wasn't so um
but we're not talking ghosts we're talking like actual demons like agents of the Satan himself every once in a
while like Satan will show up on these stories like as like a physical thing and so for exorcisms themselves I'm sure
that like everything else they've happened for all time because mental illness has happened for all of time you
know what I mean so like if someone is like schizophrenic there were schizophrenic people in the Middle Ages and of course you're going to be like
this person is possessed by something because you don't understand you don't even understand it right now really you know so for good measure I looked up a
couple things just like give myself some background and like figure it out um you can go to catholic.com and get the words
for the right of exorcism so they actually have like all the words that you need to read to perform an exorcism
and it does say this is the the fun part so I'm I'm going to read this part of the of the prayer yield therefore yield
not to my own person but to the minister of Christ chist for it is the power of Christ that compels you who brought you
low by his cross tremble before that Mighty arm that broke asunder the dark Prison Walls and led Souls forth to
light so that has like power of Christ composi which is the funnest part that's what he that's actually in the exorcism
right is in there um I also want to look up also like this talking about Catholics I canot bring up that since
1940 4,392 us-based Catholic priests have been accused of molestation which is 4%
of them so like also Protestants in the past 20 years they've identified 380
sexual Abus abusers and there's a headline that southern Baptists are like d to be in a lot of trouble just wanted
to bring that up too talking about the church no surprising yeah so in other religions in Buddhism there is the
practice of reciting or listening to the parita so that is um reciting certain verses and scriptures in order to ward
off Misfortune or danger so that's kind of like an exorcism Eastern Orthodox religions they distinguish Dominic
possession from mental illness and the way that they do that is by seeing if the person reacts negatively to holy
relics so if you're like having visions they'll like throw holy water at you and if you're like e I'm wet then they're
like he's have he's may be having like an episode but if you're like it burns they're like demon make sense yeah it
feels like a movie but yeah yeah Mormons sometimes Do It um in Hindu Traditions
people can be possessed by bahoot or presss so like Rel Relentless and often relate being kind of like ghosts um that
can like possess people so that's what people that's what Hindus believe it's in Islam it's in Judaism it's in taism
interesting siks do not believe in demons they're like no so there's no like sik right of exorcism because
they're like that they don't exist so no yeah so in that okay so in that hypothetical could anybody be possess
could I be if if you're Muslim can you be possessed by like a Catholic devil I
don't know I think Muslim the devil the the demon is is
Muslim okay I was trying to prove poke holes in The Possession Thing by saying
well then how many seeks have ever been possessed by anything but if you don't believe it then you probably can't be possessed by it oh my God we just
watched Zoolander and that reminds me when he goes how many abidal do you see modeling um so anyway so I I also wrote
find me on my side cast exorcism dot dot dot what I'll be doing those episodes
soon sweet yeah I'm into it yeah have you ever heard the the theory that exorcisms
do work for mental illness because it's a placebo effect of like if you think you are possessed then you think that
the remedy is the exorcism and it solves the problem yeah I kind of think I kind
of think that that might be what the warens were doing I'll talk about that actually have that written in the notes later but yes exactly like I think maybe
if you think that your house is possessed by a demon and you need to move on if you have these two wacka
Doodles come into your house sprinkle holy water everywhere like do all these things and they say like this house is
clean and they leave you're going to be like well [ __ ] this house is clean and you're solved yeah from solved exactly
so like I don't know that seems nice by all CS they nice people they're like trying to do the right thing so maybe that was like kind of a part of it too
that like people feel better after we do this so we're doing it you know right right so anyway we're talking Catholic
exorcisms in the timeline is in ad70 the
gospel of Mark was written and that's where he first writes that Jesus casts out evil spirits there's some stuff in
the Bible about animals and other people being possessed by demons so it's there in the Bible um and like I said before
like this is probably something that was in like every religion before this as well in 1526 in 1526 Martin Luther adds
exorcism to the baptismal rights so we know like Martin Luther started a lot of things and we've talked about this
before because we were talking about the Protestant Reformation we were talking about Henry VII and so like an Bolin
died 10 years after this because that's when he got like the idea to separate from from Catholicism and all of that um
but in a sense and I hadn't really thought about this but a baptism to like a baby is an exorcism a baptism to a
baby is an exorcism yes it's like a light baby exorcism you pray over them
you bring the holy water their parents are there afterwards you have to change clothes like it's just like a little tiny exorcism you're like getting all of
the Badness from being born with sin out of the baby and then it can like go and make its own
mistakes sweet yeah so that's what it is Catholics have been really into it for a while Protestants are okay with it but
they don't love it they did it as more of like a community Festival um and not like tied to one person and probably more of like performance art of like
religion and then in the Renaissance um and then when Shakespeare was around
there's an ex exertis in King Lear and one and 12th night and then you get to the Puritans and so we talked about them
a little bit before in the past two they came over to America they're spooky they believe in witches and they hate fun so
they kind of believe in like that being possessed but they don't do exorcisms per se but they do like try to kill the
person who possessed the person like we saw in like the witch trials yeah so
then a bunch of bad stuff happens in America and then per just dropped something he didn't yeah um and then
just kidding and then we're in the 1900s and so what happens in the 1900s is Pentecostalism becomes a big
thing people start being born again speaking in tongues and like doing creepy weird stuff like again and um
from history.com article I read they said quote pentecostalism's high energy worship wor worship services and The
Lure of the possibility of receiving Supernatural gifts from the Holy Spirit caused the movement to attract new
members and continue to grow throughout the first half of the 20th century so they're like we can like get powers from
God now you know Jesus can like actually literally heal us L and like literally do these things so people are kind of
start believe in like weirder things and then in the 1960s Catholics started to think about exorcism a little bit more
and they're like starting to like do them a little bit and then The Exorcist the book comes out in
1971 so the same thing happened with when like there were exorcisms in 12th night in Shakespeare that happened when
the Exorcist came out is that people started to like need them more because they saw it culturally you know yeah
makes sense you've seen The Exorcist obviously oh my God I've seen it so many times I think they're remaking it
actually are they I hope it's good have you read it no no I won't see the movie
um have you seen Exorcist is exist 3 was George C Scott with a nurse that's like the scariest like scene in all movies
yeah yeah yeah all of them I've seen all of them they're they're all fun so one
thing and I say a little bit about some of the conjuring movies and like what they're titled as well like it took me
until reading it to realize that like it's about the man it's not about
the demon it's not about the girl it's about the priest The Exorcist is the
priest who does exorcism and it's about him and like his journey and then like 50-year-old spoiler alert he dies like I
just like didn't I didn't think it was about him until I was like reading it I was like oh it's about this is his story now the story of like Pazuzu see it ties
into all these things we're talking Pazuzu we're talking the Puritans we're talking Henry the E all of it that's right Pazuzu was the demon that got rean
or raap yeah yeah so now it's like out like it's
in like we're in the 70s people are thinking about it a lot like they're scared my mom and my dad and my uncle went to see it in the theaters I
remember my mom was like unimpressed and my dad and my uncle were like this is the scariest movie I've ever seen yeah
my my my my mom and dad talked a lot about the exist as one of their favorite
movies it was like the first time they went saw a horror movie because they're not like horror people but it sounds like the exus was really like a cultural
phenomenon it wasn't like a genre specific thing like everybody had to see The Exorcist yeah so that's awesome yeah
super fun so okay now let's talk about Ed and line Warren so Edward Warren mini
was born in 1926 and the rine Rita Warren was born in 1927 they grew up
very close to each other in Connecticut so they lived in a small town near each other they got married in
1945 and um their daughter Judy was born in 1946 so like you said they're kind of
like bumbling around like Ed was a bus driver for a little bit line was like a homemaker they're trying to figure out
what they wanted to do next and Ed was also a painter so if we think about the
um The Conjuring movies Patrick Wilson is always painting and I feel like we've talked about this before like where you
want to like you need to set up some sort of like deal with your spouse or like you believe them so like one knife
I remember like Juan it was raining teeth in the house he's going to be like great let move you know like he's going to like believe me and move on but if
I'm like if I'm like one I had a dream about about this like terrifying nun and I just drew this picture of this demon
in my dream he'll get me professional help you know like L not it's not normal like in the movie like several of the
movies L rain will like wake up and he'll be like painting this like terrifying thing and you're like please don't do that in the
house also just don't have a demon room don't have a room where you contain all
the demons because that thing is are going to happen they absolutely have that yeah and like I don't believe it but also like don't do that don't test
it like cuz that doll that doll's a real doll that doll's um in on on Key West I
think right like that's a I forgot what the name of the doll was but it's actually annab we'll talk about Annabelle yeah yeah yeah okay yeah I'll
talk about that story but yeah no it's it's like real real yeah so decide to do is they they're Al also
kind of interested in like the like the occults and all of that Lorraine has a sick sense doing little quote things so
she's like kind of psychic can kind of like do things she can like sense presences she sees auras you know all
the things that that Lorraine can do and so they do a thing where they find in
the paper cases of haunted houses so people who think that their house is haunted and they go and they stand
outside their house and they paint their house and then they go and they talk to the person about the hauntings and then
they sell the painting later to be like this is a painting we did of a real haunted house and we went and talked to the couple and here's what happened to
them so that's what how they kind of like wiggled their way into people's haunted houses haunted houses and
started to like think think about that as a thing but how did they even get the idea they were just like we
are he wanted to paint and she was thinking about like all of her like
being kind of psychic and six sense stuff and she they thought they could Channel it into haunted houses okay there don't be worri of that
but that's what that's what I got from their book yeah fair enough yeah so The Conjuring movies definitely show them
being like super super in love and like they have like a backstory and they were like married forever and definitely
married until he died and then I also found an article in The Hollywood Reporter um that there's a woman who
sued The Conjuring movies because of that because she says that he she was 15 years old and she moved in with them and
she stayed with them for 40 years and she was like Ed's second wife and like live with them yeah believe it he looks
like a man who has Secrets yeah so he made have a secret but they ended up
through their paintings and through like going around and and talking to people in haunted houses doing these things
where they would like do manyi exorcisms and they would like you know tell people there's a demon in their house and they would like cleanse the house and they
would get the clergy involved when they needed to get the clery involved so they're sort of like a first step into someone who could like really help
people and like you said before like they're they're really nice they're really sweet they like really genuinely seem like they want to help people
whether or not like they do they're doing like a real thing or not um they traveled all around the country they did
tons of public lectures so they were like really out in in the field all the time you could just like call their
house and they would like for the phone like come and help you and they collected like you said tape tape
recordings haunted artifacts they had that Ault Museum in their house unfortunately it's now closed after they
both passed but it was you know you can see it in the movies and it's kind of just like that it's like a a room with
like a bunch of like creepy [ __ ] that they say is tied to all these cases and then they have like a priest Come Bless
the room and they keep everything like in certain places Annabelle and I will
talk about this when I talk about Anabelle but Annabelle is a raggedy andal which is so much scarier than
anything in the whole entire world I thought it was a monkey no Annabelle's a
reg andal there is a monkey there's a monkey and Conjuring one okay okay right no they men but it isn't like the thing
Annabelle herself is a raggedy andal and I don't know if you've never seen a raggedy andal but they're [ __ ] creepy
and Have You Ever Seen The Omen yes the original one there's also ragged andal like in a grave in that movie some
somehow and like [ __ ] R get and dolls are so scary that is terrifying absolutely not no whatever my mom had a
really scary doll in her in her room and she can't find it it's been lost for
like a couple years I was like Mom I was like it went back to hell like it is out of our Lives I I have a friend a friend
who I've known since high school and I used to go over to her parents house every now and then to hang out and they
had this section of the house underneath the staircase where the mom had put like
a wagon and in the wagon there was a bunch of pillows on top of the pillows there was this porcelain doll making
face cuz I'm real mad that was that was so scary like I still remember it I mean I saw this thing like
23 years ago for the first time and I still remember it yeah it was dead ey
just Black dead eyes just staring at you and I remember I asked her about it like years and years and years later I was
like what was up with that dog she like my mom just loved it I just love this doll and that's why it was always in the
house it's so creepy we have one person one and I was like is this worth anything I looked it up and I was like No And I'm like I don't want to throw it
away cuz my friend's going to come back but I also like don't love it yeah it will come back that's how it usually
happens definitely not now when I have all this like energy around me from the all these demons so just a little bit
left before I talk about the movies for a second like so did they really believe themselves or like was it a Folly AO
situation were like two people believe in something that's like so over the top that they just like really really really
believe in it or was it like you know do they believe it cu the other person
believes it do they believe it or they do they not do they believe it enough that like it helps people anyway like you were saying like you have someone
come in and say that you're fine then you like feel fine one thing that they do that they did in like one of the
religions that I mentioned before I think it was the Eastern Orthodox where they like use a lot of physical objects so they have the physical objects in
their Museum they use crosses they use the holy water so they're like like real things against people who are you know
um you know potentially possessed and the thing in the in The Conjuring movies
that I really liked is I felt like that was one of the first times that they portrayed but like I saw like a ghost or
a demon in a movie that felt like a real physical form and it I feel like that was intentional cuz like you know
Conjuring when like there's like those arms that come out of the Wardrobe and clap and then there's like that like demon on top of the Wardrobe like that
scared the [ __ ] out of me and I felt like because it wasn't like ethereal ghost it was like this is an actual thing that can hurt you you know and so
like I think for Ed and Lorraine like they were really helpful to people cuz they were like it's not you you have something hurting you you have a
physical thing that is hurting you and that's what we can help you get rid of you know yeah help people move past it
it's also criticism especially because they're like all of our work is like really really scientific and then people
are like but you base it all on God so it can't be so so that's actually the thing that like I will be a contrarian
and say I really don't love The Conjuring movies you don't I love them you're going because it's um the matter
of fness of the way they discuss or present their opinions and thoughts is
so cringe to me as exactly what they were like exactly that that they definitely get right because they're like God is real demons are real this is
real like they're acting like they're giving thesis statements at Harvard and it's like you're a bunch of like you're
you're pulling stuff out of nothing there's no science at all in this like yes yes exactly exactly and so we had
some in there's a 1997 interview in the Connecticut Post and the New England
skeptical society which sounds fun they said they found the couple to be pleasant but their claim of demons and ghosts was quote at best as tellers of
meaning meaningless ghost stories and at worst dangerous frauds so like it's like
a little bit of both but yeah you can't be like like they they say everything like it'ss facted there really isn't
like wiggle room for what the stuff that they're saying yeah assume that what they did help people right but how many
people did it also Inspire to have these thoughts of like this is what's happening to me too yeah they didn't get
that help yeah and like was it happening anyway like there was that German exorcism like Analisa woman um during
that time too and she she just had epilepsy you know like there's like a there cases of people in like Latin
America and South America dying because they live in small towns there isn't adequate medical care so they'll call in
someone to do an exorcism and you're like that person really needed to go get a hospital yeah you know they didn't
need you to do all these things with them that ultimately like leads to their death cuz there's so much other stuff going on right yeah so they but they
were very successful in their life they went around the country they toured they wrote books they were like 10 books they
ad died in 2006 and Lorraine died in 2019 so she kept the museum alive until
she died and it went to her daughter and her son-in-law and that was closed but I don't know like why that happens but but
yeah they just like lived this really weird life going around helping people in like the a really seriously there are
demons way do make sense yeah sorry I was trying to find a thing because I
heard that they sold the rights no it
wasn't them it wasn't them it was the lutzes the Lutes sold the rights to
their story for $300,000 was like man that was a bargain so okay so let's talk about the
movies so some of the movies that they're like involved in like a one I didn't write down is like in Poltergeist which is also f fantastic the the woman
is supposed to be based off of Lorraine she's like an older woman who's like a psychic you know I'm talking about but
the Amil story so in real life the house in amille Long Island the son of the
defo family killed everybody in the middle of the night he said a demon made him do it he probably was just you know
schizophrenic having an an episode something else um he killed his whole family and then the lutzes bought the
house they were married um Lutz was the stepdad to to the kids it ruined the
kids' lives I watched a movie um a documentary of their son and their son's like my life is [ __ ] ruined because
of this cuz he's like what I believe like my parents were telling me there were ghosts here but like there weren't really but everybody knew who he was
after that and it was just like pretty awful how that happened to him so is it widely is it widely now accepted that
nothing in that movie was or the story was accurate I think so I mean I've heard that people overheard that the
lutzes and the and the Warren laughing about how much money they were going to make you know so it's like one of things and nothing's
happened in that house since like no one who there since but it has like a ton of movies that are great I watched one
about this like haunted lamp that like Patty Duke was in it it was like really good it was like amville there's an amville Dollhouse movie that I watched
from the 70s that was like kind of a made for TV movie but like they're great and it's super fun and really scary you
know when like Lutz falls into that closet full of blood that part is that
the original because I don't remember that from the Remake yeah yeah no I thought that so by contrast to Conjuring
movies I love the Amityville movies like I I thought those were fantastic because it was it didn't it didn't it didn't go
into this whole science aspect of like possession and stuff it was just a fun scary movie I I still think it's scary
that that whole scene of um Ketchum the uh the guy who would torture Native
Americans and bury them in that crawl space like you remember that from the Remake no yeah there was yeah Ryan
Reynolds found a room in the basement that led to this torture chamber underneath the house is where this guy
this European guy would torture Native Americans it was just Fant and also by
the way it's worth noting that I don't totally by that Ron defo did that on his
own because everybody was found on their stomachs he shot them with like a 45 he
shot them with like the loudest gun possible and they were saying like maybe his sister helped him and then her
did you hear that there yeah yeah someone El there do you yeah I heard I heard I heard that like they were like
romantically involved oh yeah yeah and and I also heard that like his dad was
like actually a legitimate mobster and maybe like there was something going on with that but I don't know I don't know
the story itself is really creepy I will say that Taylor knowing me as well as she knows me when I got my house in
Austin she sent me a housewarming gift and it's the sign that hangs outside of the Lutz's house on the night that
killed his entire family and it just says High Hopes on it and I put it up in my house and people come over and
they're like why is this like 38-year-old man like have decorations that like a 70-year-old woman in
Carthage would have you know it's like no no no no this is cool it's not weird it's not like a live laugh love thing
exactly it's not a live laugh love it's a murder thing it's it's way cooler it is really cool I got an ety yeah and
like I did also like in one of the documentaries with like the kid that grew up and was like haunted like
literally haunted by the whole thing he they were like yeah there was a Red Room in the basement cuz we just like had red
paints we painted like a room red and you're like okay well people are going to be mad about that but that's but that's amville the house goes up for
sale every couple years but like no one no one's been seen anything there since for the so creepy would you would you
sleep in that house I wouldn't I would not sleep in that house five people were
shot to death every room I don't know there's a body in every room in that
house like that feel I would definitely not sleep in like the attic rooms have like the eye Windows you know like
that's a hard not for me yeah yeah I go there but I be scared you know I'm
scared yeah I know so the Annabelle story is about a doll that regged and
doll and um the movie in the movie The Beginning of The Conjuring movie they do the anabal story the way that like it
really happened which is these two nursing students got this doll and they were like then it they start like weird
stuff started to happen like it was always moving around the house and started to like leave little notes on paper that they didn't have with a pen
they didn't have that would like miss me I'm like right on the wall which is so scary and then they tried to throw her away and she came back and all these
things and they were like a little girl them anabal died here and we like let her into the doll but it wasn't a doll it wasn't a ghost it was actually a
demon and like it scratched the boyfriend and all this like super fun stuff there's a lot of annabal movies
that go back to like Annabelle creation and like they're fun but that's not like the real story of Annabelle right right
so the conjuring the first one that I really like in that story the family had
actually been in the house for like 13 years before they started having problems and another thing where I
didn't think about the title just like in The Exorcist like they don't really talk about in The Conjuring movie they're like oh a woman who was like
related to the ghosts and oh no maybe this a different one but like a woman killed her child here and like started
to make everybody kill their children and like that's what had happened but like in real life one of the daughters
tried to summon a demon and that's what a Conjuring is so like didn't even like I don't know like I took that word for
granted but like they um a Conjuring is like Conjuring a demon so the girl was like into it so her parents bought her a
book and one of the things that Ed on the rain are like is like there's always books on the occult you got to be careful because if you read one and you
do it the wrong way you're going to let something like really scary into your house you know so that's what happened in that story and in that story in the
book The L or the sorry the Warren's book and what they say like really happened was that when it was over they
left and they were like just so you know this isn't like totally gone but it's like mostly gone and they were like what do you mean and then something took this
what they say something took Loren's glasses off of her face and threw them on the ground and they were like just don't piss it off again
and which is hilarious um I know there's a nun movie too as well with them um because he did have those like nun
dreams and he was a painter but there's like more to that story that I don't know a ton about but the last one um con oh okay Conjuring 2 is about the Enfield
Poltergeist in England and they were like barely there they were like there for a day they weren't really involved
in that story at all all the other people from like the the society in England that went and stayed and really
researched it were there for like almost 2 years like lived with the St for almost two years but it's like it was
obviously the kids it was just the girls you know missing about everyone yeah and
then Conjuring three makes no [ __ ] sense I've seen it like three times I have no idea what's going on like there
is a story where the Warren went to help with someone who had said that he was possessed by a demon when he killed his
landlord but is that the devil made me do it yeah okay so like that case is real and
there's also this like whole part where I get super lost where like they find a cave and there's like this like really
tall woman who's like the daughter of this old man and she does a thing and like just I I still don't know what happened and I've seen it a lot yeah
yeah I never that's one I didn't watch again like I just fell out of love with The Conjuring movies I was just like H also also find that woman who's the one
who becomes possessed really [ __ ] annoying and I don't like watching her
Rebecca Taylor in The Conjuring one yeah I think that's probably her name that's fair that's fair yeah yeah that one I
really like because it has some of the like some of the things that are like so scary to me that like like the having
your sheets ripped off of you in the middle of the night you know like stuff like that like oh my God I would like
lose my mind if that was something that had happened to me you know so because it's like it's like the real tangible stuff that they show in that movie that
I felt was like new as far as like ghost stories and like hauntings went cuz it wasn't like there's a murderer in my
house it was like there's like phys being in my house that's haunting me and like I think that's super scary and like super that's I think are fun I will
definitely watch The Conjuring TV show but just I still think maybe like the real edin rain Warren aren't what I want
to continue to learn about but I still want to watch I don't know if Mar and Patrick Wilson are in it but I still want to watch them together want to like
watch Patrick Wilson and like Insidious and all the movies that he's in because he's so handsome Insidious that was a good one man there was a there was a
time period there when like all those movies hit at once they're so good
Sinister do you remember sinister sinister there's like an article and it's like what of the scariest movies of all time and Sinister is number one just
because like the couple things that happened people's heart rates like went out of control like just like out of
control that was me I that was one of the few movies I watched where I regretted watching it afterwards yeah it
was that and babadook and lights out those were the three movies where after
I watched like I really don't want this to live in my head anymore what's lights out so that's the one where there's this
ghost who Jesus [ __ ] Christ yeah yeah it's it's this spirit that only shows up
when the lights are turned off so imagine you watch that movie and then it's bedtime you're like this is this is
okay I don't even want to I don't even want to have this screenshot up on my computer ever again no that's real scary
yeah yeah well um um yeah that's it exorcism you know isn't real because demons aren't real but it's interesting
that like every culture has it and that people still do it and there's times when you're like oh there's been more during this time or less during this
time in history and I think that's because of like what's going on in the world like have we heard about exorcisms
recently is it like being written down in popular culture so like you might think you have to have it are you like
unable or unwilling to understand pieces of mental illness you know like yeah is
is that something or like physical illness where you're like like why is this person acting this way cuz like like also we've talked about like
labotomy is in like one little jiggle in your brain and you're a different person you know so like one little like weird
thing happening in your head like you could potentially completely change and
that can be really scary for people around you you know yeah yeah yeah it um
I was thinking about the Michael Taylor possession case where he turned into a demon but it was because they like
believed it exactly like he ripped his wife's tongue out and then clawed her eyes out and killed her like like he
acted like that but it was because it was like no no no dude you you have a demon in you like you're actually
possessed and it's like well if you tell someone enough [ __ ] it's G to soak into
their psyche eventually yeah like what yeah exactly like what does your brain what does your brain create you
know so we're like I don't know I feel like our my takea away from that is be careful about you know things that seem
super crazy but if but also like do what makes you feel good like if you can fix yourself with a placebo guess you should
you don't know that but if you do if you could you know like I feel like that's okay I'm a no on demons but I'm a yes on
probably on ghosts but I don't know what it means okay so you say that Taylor you say that but here's where like the
rubber meets the road if I found the book and I found all the little crr mons that I would need to
summon a demon but I was like Taylor I want to do this but I'll only do it with you and I'll only do it at your house
would you let me do it no I don't think so there you go okay because I wouldn't either because as much as I mock
religion in spirituality I still don't want that in my life H totally well there's like I also in nfield I forgot
there was a Ouija board as well so I'm like I don't want to do that either yeah exactly
exactly so okay so we we don't believe but we we don't want to test either yeah
not going to like rock the boat I'm going to save you to my room after this and we'll be fine yeah yeah creepy
creepy yeah Flags though I mean I think it's like the two of them were just like
so I feel there also maybe there's a red flag of like working with your spouse and like spending so much time together
that you like start to really validate each other like with anybody like if you're with someone and you're just yesing each other forever you know like
things can get weird yeah good for them they found their niche you know yeah
they probably them alone and their work probably added like multiples of
billions of dollars in movies and books and economic activity absolutely yeah
yeah so which ones which ones do we which ones do we do we attribute so we attribute Amityville Insidious to
Conjuring one two three which to your point that one's called the devil made me do it which is an actual case where they legitimately tried to prove that
the devil exists legally which is crazy um Enfield Poltergeist Poltergeist
itself right MH um Annabelle Annabel there was a like a
1990 the nun yep there was a TV movie in the 90s called The Haunted I've never
seen that oh The Haunting Connecticut as well okay as them um yeah that's what I
have definitely do at Annabelle mville conjuring um haunting Connecticut there was a also that made for TV movie The
Haunted that I've never seen that I want too there was something they did at West Point that was fun that could definitely be a movie I mean I think you could keep
going yeah because I mean every one of those little trinkets that they stored in that room which was a ton of stuff
would probably spin off into own movie yeah why not they always like zoom into that room in um in like the end of the
movies when it's like oh that that's where you take the the dancing monkey doll and that's where you see like another like little thing that makes
noise or like you know a clock and like a necklace and you're like oh my God the
nun freaked me out the nun was one that actually did freak me out I did I did a visual when we were watching the nun in
our Scary Movie Club but um I think the nun looks like Prince William and that lightens it for me well
you kind of ruined it for me then I I I have I have the screenshot I'll send it to you because I have pictures on side by side and I'm like that's exactly the
same same same um it is scary ns are scary but like also okay oh my God I
know we need to go but like you know how you're like of course there's Victorian ghost in an old Victorian house cuz women died there but I feel like of
course there's nuns haunting places cuz like where are they going to go yeah yeah their family abandon them and
they're celibate and they have nobody oh wait have one more thing there
was a story in the book I'm so sorry where he's like there was a a ghost of a mom who died in a car accident and she
had like six kids and she was Haunting the house cuz she didn't know she was dead and so they did an exorcism to like get rid of have her go like move on to
the next level and Ed Warren was like that might seem kind of cruel cuz she could live at the house with her family like as a ghost but what happens when
the family dies and what happens like the Next Generation in 200 years she's going to like what haunt this house forever and I was like that's kind of
cool yeah it's good point I thought yeah okay good for them we need to go back
down a horor rabbit hold so one thing to note for people who are listening is that every October Taylor our friend Jay
myself and a whole L of other folks um do this thing we call calendar of horror where Jay for the most part organizes
this intricate spread sheet of movies horror movies where you can watch them
or rent them or whatever and every night we have a shared slack channel that we discuss we watch the movie and discuss
it ever since I moved to Texas it's been harder for me and I don't know how we're going to do it this year now that Jay's on East Coast time and you're onic
Central it's almost impossible now but we'll we'll do what we can but I mean it probably won't be like an every night
thing like it had been maybe it'll be like a once a week thing but yeah I can't do until like late anyway cuz I
have the kids all the things but figured out but it's so fun and we watched so so many scary movies and it's the best we watched um deep blue sea last night me
and Juan that's not a horror movie but it's real fun it's fun I like it awesome thanks fars that was fun thank you
Taylor I I kind of want to see a horror movie now so thankful for the for the warrs for that I you know what I I they
touch my life they actually touched my life because my fascination with horror movies all can be rooted back to movies
like Amityville so yeah awesome never SE that when you were little and you're like oh it's still scary it's still
scary like again like I I probably won't ever Watch Sinister again because that movie really really actually I think
that's totally fair like that's one that you don't need to watch again I can like think of it right now and think of like all the terrible things and be like oh
my God yeah you know lawn mower scene I know I start was thinking about or the
the deck chairs that get pulled the pool oh my God they made a part two and the part two is actually still pretty good
it's nothing compared to the first one yeah but is that Ethan Hawk yeah yeah
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