** Taylor apologizes for saying South Korea when she meant North Korea ** and for all the ums. On Episode 2 Farz shares the recent story of the Turpin Family and the unimaginable lives of their many many children. Taylor takes us back to Ancient Rome to talk about the famed Emperor Nero, was he really that bad? Well... probably. Follow us on Instagram & Facebook! @doomedtofailpod
** Taylor apologizes for saying South Korea when she meant North Korea ** and for all the ums.
On Episode 2 Farz shares the recent story of the Turpin Family and the unimaginable lives of their many many children. Taylor takes us back to Ancient Rome to talk about the famed Emperor Nero, was he really that bad? Well... probably.
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A Fatal Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum
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welcome to doomedale the podcast where we ignore all the red flags I'm farce
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joined by my co-host Taylor and every week we'll be bringing you two Tales one historic and one true crime related of
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relationships that were doomed to fail Taylor what's our signature drink this week
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thank you fars so this week we'll be going back to ancient Rome so our cocktail is going to be a glass of red
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wine but you have to drink it laying down on a couch covered in pillows and you don't
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hold the glass someone else holds the glass and pours it into your mouth and then they back up and they spill the red
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wine on the carpet so you sentence them to death by being eaten by a lion so that's our cocktail and then our
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mocktail because we know not everyone is a drinker so our mocktail is one of
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those mustard yellow Tupperware cups from the 80s it is stained and it is
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crusty and it's been on the floor for a few years and it's also just empty there's no actual like liquid in it it's
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just this dirty Cup on the floor as far as I think you'll cover why um why we have that dirty Cup on the
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floor I will absolutely be covering why this disgusting cup is on the floor if you do
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have a dirty yellow Tupperware cup from the 80s please wash it before you drink anything out of it
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um but that's it today we're going to be covering Emperor Nero of Rome and the Turpin family and try to find the red
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flags which are going to be a plenty so I'm going to Dive Right In we're going to start on the True Crime side of the equation and as usual I'm going to ask
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you Taylor being the true Prime Aficionado that you are do you know are you familiar with the Turpin family case
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hey I am and I kind of feel like I want to gag because it's so gross um I am like I don't know all the details
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um luckily but I guess I'll get to know them now um but yeah I just I imagine
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it's real gross and sad very gross very gross very sad so just
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kick things off do you remember um Harry who's Jeff Daniels character in
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Dumb and Dumber yes okay picture that guy from now on every
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time I bring up David Turpin he looks like he's wearing a mop on his head and it also looks silky smooth for some
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reason so he apparently cares he cares enough about his hair to condition and moisturize it but not enough to actually
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cut it and modernize it and make it look normal which is very very interesting um okay great that I got it got it got
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it okay perfect so with that Preamble let's start in on David and Louise Turpin uh right at the
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top I'm gonna blame religion and power dancing to the story religion tends to play in quite a bit as we've seen in the
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last episode as well into my True Crime cases David and Louise met when he was 23 and
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she was 16. obvious power Dynamic right yeah um I get that a seven year age Gap
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doesn't mean much when you're 40 and she's 33 but by this time Dave was a computer engineer he would he had the
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Arab a man who had his [ __ ] together to a 16 year old right yeah totally it's a
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huge difference huge difference from what I could gather they only were together for about a year before getting
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married in 1985 and the circumstances under which they got married were also really interesting they kind of
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absconded with each other without the parents with with her parents completely
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disapproving of this trying to get married to each other and then somehow they came back home and they squared
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things away with her parents and were able to get married but it was it was kind of like a he basically was trying to take advantage of a 16 year old is
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how I interpreted this yeah um I mean there's no way to notch like you know there's a thing like if you're underage
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then like it's against your will there's no such thing you know you can't scent if you're a child exactly exactly
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um so going into a bit of their individual histories Luis seems to have
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had a really rough childhood according to her sister Teresa their mother would sell the girls to local pedophiles yeah
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Teresa is quoted as saying this is all a quote he would slip money into my hands as he
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molested me I can still feel his breath on my neck as he whispered be quiet
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we begged her not to take us to him but she would simply say I have to clothe and feed you
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Louise had the Louisa was abused the worst he destroyed my self-worth as a
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child and I know he destroyed hers too this is Teresa the sister talking which is crazy I I didn't have an exact age
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range here where this was going on but it doesn't matter I mean it's still it's awful no matter what
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um so I mean it sounds like she never had a chance like yeah she kind of started off with a with a
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bad bad hand um using poker terms which on shareable at
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um and his story was actually corroborated so they have another sister who's named Elizabeth uh she
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corroborated the sexual abuse story too but then she also leveled some pretty stupid accusations
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against Louise to kind of impute her character and just by what she did she wrote a book um the book is called uh sisters of
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Secrets and so for context Teresa was of
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the opinion I can't believe that my sister would do this this is insane whereas Elizabeth was of the opinion of
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of course she could do this look at her past look at her history look at what she was involved in they're so stupid
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she accused her of drinking smoking going to bars practicing witchcraft
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gambling I love that for her yeah eating steaks and then she made some like vague sexual promiscuity claims against her
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um don't know exactly what those are related to but all this sounds like
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I mean eating snakes is a little bit unusual unless you're in Louisiana steak I was like that seems fine but
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snakes I see I get it I get it slithering kind not the delicious cow kind
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um but all this kind of sounds like just edgy emo [ __ ] that anybody would do when they don't even sound edgy yeah exactly
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right it's fairly fairly standard operating procedure for most kids yeah
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so Elizabeth sounds like you're going back to our theme from last week a bit of a wet noodle uh so we're not a huge
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fan of Elizabeth because she basically tried to find any reason to justify what ended up happening which we're about to dive straight into totally but
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before we dive into a building back on the characters at hand here David was
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kind of the flip side of that equation he was a bit of a baby straight edge um he was part of the Bible chess and
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science clubs he made really good grades and actually I ended up going back and finding his high school year yearbook
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picture he had the hair he had the mop air in high school it was absolutely incredible he looked exactly the same oh
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my gosh that kind of thing feels like permanent maybe that's it was just permanent like you just can't do anything about it that's so funny yeah
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um I didn't put this in the outline but I wanted to call this out because if any of you have look up a picture of these
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two the one thing that also that I found really interesting about this despite kind of like how they ended up they were
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part of a swingers community so they had swinger parties too which again nothing
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wrong with being a swinger yeah that's fine but they are imagine walking into
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that house that I'm about to describe and preparing yourself to have have a sex party with these people
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um but the problem with being a swinger is like not everyone is attractive
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some of them look like Harry from Dumb and Dumber yes about that but also maybe you like that so you just have to kind
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of know where you're getting into but don't be surprised if you're like I like that then like great but if you're like
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I expect it to be something like really beautiful and like sexy and you get there and it's like no but remember and
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all of a sudden when they go to the sex party and Danny DeVito's eating from the buffet it's gross that's that's what I'm
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imagining like a book there's a there's also a buffet well it's not even their appearance I'm addressing here I'm addressing the fact
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that you walk into what I'm about to describe as the house oh yeah sex with these people and it's like what what
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could be going through your mind um but let me look I'll get to the house and then and then we'll back our way
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into like now imagine walking into this to have sex with these people um so going back to the story in 2011
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David files for bankruptcy claiming 240 000 in credit card debt
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that's an insane amount of credit card debt what are you buying with that like
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a car I don't you know I don't even think you can buy a car on a credit card I think
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you have to actually take out an auto loan or something like it's yeah I mean this number really blew me away because
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I mean sure everybody everybody has credit card debt it's a it's a thing it is what it is but this amount of it is
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is pretty remarkable to me especially when you factor in that he had a really good salary he made about 140 000 a year
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as an engineer um you know I I don't know if this detail
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is particularly significant the debt that they were in but I can see why that level of debt could increase stress
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levels and kind of improve some rational thinking yeah but I mean what ended up happening kind
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of goes a little bit down a little bit it goes a lot Beyond just stress related to some debt but I don't know what do
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you think yeah well I also think like I know you're going to talk about it but part of it is like they have a [ __ ] ton of children so like I don't know maybe
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think about your financial situation before you have 47 kids like stuff like that that I think maybe also ties to the
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religion Factor as well maybe they like didn't take precautions and not have kids but like
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at some point you have to be like I'm way over my head with this debt I should stop incurring more expenses
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yeah having like 7 000 kids yeah whenever I whenever I consider the debt piece of it and then look at what
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ended up happening I was like well could this have been a response to like we just don't have the money for these
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children and this is the only option we have I mean obviously that's not an excuse but I'm just trying to make I'm
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trying to create a launcher yeah incredibly illogical situation totally but if you like like you have a you have
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a dog if you're like all right I can't afford to take care of my dog you wouldn't stop feeding your dog you would
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give it to someone else yeah exactly exactly you'd read helmet um so
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going back to the story they lived in Fort Worth which is just outside of Dallas Texas until 1999 and then they
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moved to another town in Texas called Rio Vista in 2007 they moved 10 of their children
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into a trailer on that property in Rio Vista um there was two other kids so there was
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12 in total and the two youngest stayed in the house with their parents um the other ten were brought Groceries
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on a weekly basis but apparently it wasn't enough food for all of them uh this trailer eventually looked exactly
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like what you would expect when the family left it from the way it was described by neighbors it was basically
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like an episode of Hoarders it was just feces everywhere dead animals everywhere
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food it was filthy absolutely oh my God and I can't and the thing is I mean how
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big of a trailer period have possibly been I didn't see it I didn't get dimensions on it but 10 people is just
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yeah you'd have to be sleeping on the floor I would assume right yeah absolutely yeah
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so yeah well the family relocated to Paris California in 2014.
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um people thought they were odd but nothing super out of the ordinary they would occasionally do nice family things if you Google the turpins one of the
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first uh pictures you'll pull up is of them at Disneyland and they're all wearing you know thing t-shirts you know
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thing one two three four they're wearing all those um and they look normal minus you know David's haircut like they actually did
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some stuff occasionally together it's also so funny because that's so expensive like I don't want to go to
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Disneyland with my four-person family because I don't feel like spending four thousand dollars you know like
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yeah so so I don't have kids so I don't know what this would equate to but could
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you rack up 240 000 in credit card debt by taking your kids to Disneyland no but you could rack up like 15. wow okay yeah
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if you lived there for like a week and like stayed in a hotel and had tickets and bought food and like whatever and
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made those thing t-shirts you could yeah it could be a lot going back to like the pictures these
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folks say there was another picture that came up which is of them getting uh renewing their vows with all
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their children in tow you've seen that right it's so Eerie it's like they're so
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pleased with one another there's something about it that just like shook me they definitely look like oh we're so happy and we're so in love and like
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renewing our bows and there's like an Elvis and they just look so super happy and you're like what I don't be pleased with yourself
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you're doing a terrible job yeah um so look up these people and see these
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pictures because it's it's a a little haunting after you realize what those kids were going through while all this
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was happening um so they were uh both Pentecostal uh they
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believed that they were called to have this many children by God so you know kudos to you Taylor you kind of guess
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why this ended up happening the way that it ended up happening um I researched Pentecostalism and
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realization these are the people that speak in tongues do you know are you familiar with this I think well I think so like that I was going to ask you like
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tell me a little bit more about being Pentecostal so um yeah speaking in tongues it sounds
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hilarious I I went down a rabbit hole with this because I was just blown away at like
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the belief system here so these are these are the folks that think that the Holy Spirit inhibits their body
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um and they'll start just speaking in gibberish under the auspices that that
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is the holy spirit in their body trying to express itself um it was I can't remember his name now
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there was a huge mega church guy in in Dallas who would do this all the time you get on TV I remember I used to watch
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because I grew up in Dallas and I would watch this guy on late night TV just like doing gibberish talking to the
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camera trying to get people to send him money and then he ended up being found as a total scam artist and got sued by the government and everything else but
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it's crazy like they fall on the ground they roll around it's like basically the
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shittiest improv skit of all time and then people just buy into it for some reason but I don't know like
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did they try to like translate what they're saying no it's true it's nonsense it's absolute nonsense but they
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don't try to be like this this nonsense means give me money and or they're just like it's just nonsense
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watch me do it so you're kind of onto something on that last point so
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the theology is also tied to the prosperity theology which are you
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familiar with that no okay so this means that having material in the financial wealth is a sign that God thinks you're
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great basically so yeah so if you're poor you're poor because God hates you
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if you're rich you're rich because God loves you um yeah so it basically means that your
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faith in God is what brings you these things and I find it interesting when factored in with the bankruptcy because you kind of have to think to yourself
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you know were they thinking to themselves like I guess I was wondering how
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psychologically with if you believe this stuff how would you feel if you were also this destitute as they as they
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ended up being how do you ignore the debt and you like think well I'm rich because I can buy all these things even
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though you're and you're like not thinking about like oh but I don't have that money I have to pay it back I was I was actually thinking in terms of did
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they think that if they neglected their kids and spend as little as possible to keep them alive it would help them with God because they'd have money left over
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right you know like it's it's not good it's not good
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um so the kids so they're ten daughters three sons all born between 1988 and
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2015. um so towards the end of this Saga
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which we didn't go to the house yet but I'm gonna how this ended up happening because what ended up happening they
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discovered the house is critical here so as this Saga is coming to an end and they're about to be discovered
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apparently there's a bunch of talks of the family all moving to Oklahoma I don't know exactly the details of what
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happened here um but in 2018 one of the kids her name's Jordan she was 17 at the time
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fled through the window and ran a distance from the house before calling 9-1-1 on a cell phone she had on her apparently there were some internal
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discussions amongst the kids who were all all you know destitute together that
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moving to Oklahoma for whatever reason would be basically the end of them that would be like that I don't know exactly
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what happened this was already awful it was already awful for this right years and what was the reason for this the other thing I
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don't understand is why these how these kids had cell phones uh there's actually multiple examples of this I'm going to
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go into a little bit later but the kids apparently had cell phones on them then for some reason they were still
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running out of the house because they go to school no no what's actually amazing and really funny is um
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is David listed himself on some tax filing or something as a
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principle of Sandcastle Day School that's like operated from his house yeah exactly
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another conviction for falsifying records for to on a official form because of this principle thing yeah
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yeah um I don't know I feel like I know you can get a cell phone you know if you are
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financially in need of a cell phone because you know you do need one to like get a job and like things like that you
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know so you can get one via assistance but I don't know how they would have like applied for that assistance I also
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know that you can dial 9-1-1 on phones that are that don't work so if if you
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have a phone that isn't connected like a plan um you can still down 9-1-1 on it so
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actually really good advice for anybody like if you actually need to do it but I will say it and you'll see later on that
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these phones had service I'll explain that bit in a moment which again yeah
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yeah I don't I don't know how they got cell phones I don't know why they didn't use them earlier I don't know what why they had to leave the house to use them
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so on and so forth it's all it's all a little bit of a mystery um but Jordan ended up doing this and the police showed up and Jordan showed
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them pictures that she'd taken on that cell phone of the house and Jordan told the police quote my two little sisters
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right now are chained up they're chained up because they stole mother's food yeah
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imagine being a copy word that yeah I feel like I would just I feel
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like what what they stole mom's food crazy well I don't say mom say mother he called they called her mother like Mike
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Pence calls his wife mother like that's not great she's like when you hear that you're like that's bad um I also feel like there's some there's
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I mean there's so many people who dedicate their lives to helping children who are in these terrible situations but there's
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also a place where they like don't know what is
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normal you know so like maybe a lot of it they're like yeah this is just our life like I've never seen a life that
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isn't like this but also like it must feel terrible so so I'm gonna go
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into that too because I I thought a lot about that as well and that and it ties into the cell phones and everything else
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here in a moment um so the police responded for a welfare check to the house and just found it
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incompleteness right obviously it was also what you would picture about Porter's house he said the detail that
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gets me is that you they keep finding dead pets in the house yeah like they
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don't bury or cremate them they just like live with them decomposing on their living room floor I don't know what pets
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it was it was just it just said pets it doesn't matter yeah no that's so gross whenever I see that in hoarders they'll
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be like oh yeah there's a cat skeleton in the corner girl like how did we get here like it's just that's so much
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farther than like not taking out your trash um that's horrible yeah yeah uh that that detail you're right when I watch
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borders I also have that reaction is that's the one detail it's like of everything else that's the one I least
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understand I also just love watching hoarders I keep waiting for a new season I've watched all of it I want more but
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yes we have the exact same TV addiction um
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so uh police witness one of the kids was Shackled Shackled to a bed
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um and apparently I don't know how they know this but apparently he'd been Shackled there for weeks I can only presume it was based on the reaction to
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the shackles on his skin that they would be able to deduce how long he'd been up there um the details of what these kids
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endured is a kind of Beyond Comprehension they were obviously incredibly malnourished and extremely
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dirty they were regularly beaten they were only allowed to be the once per year oh my God go back to the 10 kids in
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the RV or the trailer right once a year living in those
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conditions um they were also regularly Shackled as police had already observed and they had
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very little understanding of the outside world apparently they were fed only once a day and they also weren't allowed to
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use the indoor bathroom so I can only imagine there was like a [ __ ] bucket sitting somewhere inside the room these
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kids were in it was oh my God yeah unbelievable um so
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I'm gonna go back to what you'd mentioned which is their understanding of the outside world and then also tied
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into the cell phones one details I was reading about their story and researching it was in 2014
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Jordan the girl who the daughter who ran out to call the police she saw a Justin
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Bieber video on her brother's cell phone yeah and she'd also been watching Hannah
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Montana and High School Musical on this cell phone so that Point's like hey the cell phones work the cell phones had
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service so like right totally don't understand how that wasn't being used
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but can you imagine that can you imagine being that isolated and then seeing stuff like that like I get fomo if I
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just say on a rainy Saturday I can't imagine what it must be you're covered in dirt wearing tattered clothes
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starving walking around and [ __ ] and you see essentially the polar opposite like I mean I've never watched Hannah Montana
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but I would assume that it is the polar opposite right it is yes but it is uh
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you remember how our friend Jeff was in Hannah Montana was he really yeah he he was in like an
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episode where they're like playing volleyball for some reason and he like he like won against her or something
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oh you know what that does ring a bell actually does bring it well you go find that
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um yeah this part of it just blows me away like
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you watch this stuff you know that there's a world like that out there and
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you live in this situation I just I just it's incredible
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yeah how have you been brainwashed to think that that is the life that you should live right yeah also doesn't living like that
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mean God hates you it's I'm not expecting any rational answers from this but I'm just saying that like
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if you're living like in poverty God hates you right but here's the thing I mean given how they treated these kids I
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don't think that you know religious teachings were
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being imposed on them it doesn't seem like they it seems like the Louise and David were having their
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own wives being run in parallel to like these separate lives these kids were living
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um yeah he went to work he had he had a great job like he was doing his thing
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yeah yeah um so the parents were obviously arrested and they were charged with torture false
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imprisonment abuse of a dependent adult since several of the children were 18 or older in child abuse the dad was
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additionally charged with lewd acts on a child no yeah not that that's surprising but oh
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no I know I know they ultimately pled guilty so originally they were they um
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pled not guilty and then they changed their plea to guilty um and there were thankfully sentenced to life in prison with the possibility
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of parole I think after 22 years but apparently the general prevailing theory is that given the nature of the crimes
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that there's no chance it would ever re-release into the public um and they're separated right obviously
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because she's an immense a women's prison he's in a Men's prison totally totally that's awesome that's great I'm
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happy they're not together yeah they don't do much good together um so there's a bit of an aftermath so a
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bit of an aftermath as far as these kids are concerned that's really depressing so we're going to continue on that theme
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um it's kind of hard to imagine but some of these kids suffered even more after this event what obviously the kids were
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taken away right like they were taken away and the state had to well the
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county had to figure out what resources to kind of apply to bring these kids back up um to be able to live reasonable lives
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the kids were obviously super [ __ ] up psychologically and also had um Health elements because of the lack of nutrition they ultimately spent two
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months in the hospital it's crazy it's a long time um this is where it gets bad Taylor so
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five of the kids were adopted by a family and and these people were utter pieces
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of [ __ ] I'm hiding out of the screen because I'm so upset yeah I don't know how
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you find people like this and not appropriately bet them but apparently Riverside County didn't
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um the kind of abuse they suffered I'm gonna read the laundry list of it here they were hit in the face they had their hair pulled they were hit with belts
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they were forced to eat excessive amounts of food and then when they vomited they were forced to eat their vomit oh
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and you know it's a given but we'll we'll just tack it on anyways the Foster
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father was also accused of following fondling and kissing them on the mouth yo I
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love the kids Jesus Christ I don't oh my God it's like how much can one how much
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did someone take right um I mean there's people out there who are like I love five kids to abuse
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please yeah if you're just like waiting for that like what I've done in the past and like oh God yeah yeah it's it's
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really really bad um so the foster parents were obviously
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arrested as well in the mix in the middle of all this um but yeah so this story has some
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parallels with Colts so I'm gonna do a little bit of a sidebar here I'm mostly
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thinking about hardcore insular poly um Holly marriage whatever it's called
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thinking of the children of God who are now known as The Family International so when I read stories about people who
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have left these groups you're certainly the fact that they can't take care of themselves everything's done for you
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you're part of a community a bad one but you're part of the community that everything's done for you they don't know how to do the basic
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adult Stuff how to open a bank account rent an apartment buy furniture work in normal jobs so on and so forth
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that was all going on here as well because usually it's because everything
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was done for you and then teaching basic life skills wasn't really good for whoever the leader was whether it's
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children's yeah yeah the harder you make it to leave the life cycle someone is to do so
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totally and that's the impression I get of what's going on here these kids as they age out of the Foster program are
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kind of just dropped into the real world with no understanding of how to do normal things and like I don't blame
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them I don't know if you remember what you were like when you were 18 but when I was eight I mean I didn't have my [ __ ] together until I was probably like 32.
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like you know what I mean right and and you knew and you knew about the world also you know how old are you now are
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you like 33. what in terms of maturity probably in
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terms of you saying that you guys should do another you were 32 I'm just asking oh yeah okay
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um but no I mean look if you drop me into the real world even without the exposure of abuse that
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these kids suffered at 18 I I probably would have just died in the gutter like there's no way I would have figured my [ __ ] out right like nobody would I don't
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think I don't think so I mean you know what are you gonna how are you even gonna know how to get a job you know or
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like that's and then if you don't have anything how do you get anything you know like getting an apartment you have
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to have money to even start you know like there's not like it's the story
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gets worse now that you mentioned so some of these kids ended up being
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homeless um obviously Riverside County was the um County that had jurisdiction over the
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kids the child services and we're responsible basically their well-being um they were sued by some of the kids
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um for placing them in that [ __ ] Foster family's house and also because
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this part I don't recall from when the news broke on this case but apparently
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the public donated around two million dollars for the care funding of these
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kids yeah and so it never was distributed there's a
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there was a guardian ad by them who never distributed the funds the kids would ask for it it would it would they
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would never get it um and yeah that's why the kids end up homeless in a
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lot of cases is because they age out of the Foster program and they had no resources to fall back on and no life
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skills and this Guardian Adeline for whatever reason abdicated her responsibilities and just did not distribute the resources to these kids
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they needed to survive so basically everybody everybody failed these kids yeah yeah but I wouldn't I wouldn't say
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you should give them two million dollars because they don't know what to do with it and they might just buy a house and like not take care of it because they don't know how you know but you could
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like give them money for an apartment you know and like right wouldn't that be that guardian's job to like so that's
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the responsibility of the Guardian line and the guardian ad litem is is that they're Guardians yeah it's in
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lieu of parents this is the person who is supposed to tell you here's how you
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go get health care here's how you go shopping for food here's how you create a bank account here's how you could do
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that for them but and it also as part of all that is
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distribute resources as needed like you have to make a case for it right you're yeah the guardian alignment isn't just
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going to say here's two million dollars good luck go go at it um which I think is the right decision yeah but you should do something you
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shouldn't do anything exactly um so that's where we are right now the parents are in jail presumably for the
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rest of their lives thankfully the kids are unfortunately like
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not doing that great it sounds like um you know all this is fairly recent so
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every now and then there's news stories that come up I think the most recent one was December of um 2021 about what the
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update is on the kids so there's gonna be more updates on this we'll update this um uh podcast as we hear more about
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what's going on with the kids Apparently one of them did graduate from high school so that's good but you know like
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you're dealt when you're dealt a hand this bad it's kind of tough to recover yeah um absolutely
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so that's my story about the turpins and when I think about yeah when I think
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about the concept of this being doomed to fail I really fall back on the conclusion of the control dynamic between David and
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Louise I don't think Louise is a good person but I also think that a she was
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horribly emotionally and psychologically and physically damaged in her childhood
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and so she hooks up with a guy when she's still a child who's seven years or
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Elder and David and I don't I don't know for sure but I would imagine that David kind of ruled their decision making
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whatever David did and said would probably work and she doesn't have any understanding of what a normal childhood
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should look like like you learn from what your parents teach you and she never learned the right way to do that and so yeah I
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think the cycle of abuse is is what you know Dooms them Dooms is this couple in this family to fail because there's no
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um like you said there's nothing like good to look back on and know like what it felt like to be like loved and taken
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care of and you know all those things I think it's just like and who knows if he abused her or she
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like what that might have been like because she seems super happy but like she also is definitely in a weird
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situation you know like the the power Dynamic of the 16 year old marrying a 20 whatever year old like I hate that yeah
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yeah not not good none of it's good hopefully the kids recover um and that is our true crime story of
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the week so I think I think a good takeaway is to um look into your neighbor's windows and make sure I'm not
33:45
doing anything weird if you go to a Swinger's house there's dead cats and dogs in the living room tell somebody
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yes steal someone like I think that's you know if you think someone's in
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trouble please tell someone I know that like we're not like the cops are the best the Foster system obviously
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is not the best but you should definitely tell someone and try to do something absolutely something say
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something yeah see someone say something a little bit um cool let's pass it over to you Taylor for our historic Doom the
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fail situation okay well that was terrible thank you farz um happy to hear that terrible story so
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I have like seven pages of notes um I've been working on um but today we're going to talk about
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Emperor Nero and papaya Sabina who was his second wife and so
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um a lot of these word names are like a smidge Italian soundings I'm gonna do a terrible job
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um saying them um it's also a very confusing timeline so just know that too people spend their
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whole life studying these stories and like writing books about them and I'm trying my best um so Nero Nero was the fifth emperor of
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Rome from 54 to 68 A.D so we're going way back in the past
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um about 2000 years ago we're a little bit past um when Jesus lived and died um but at
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least we're going up because I'm really bad at BC timelines I like can't figure it out like I'm bad at time zones and
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I'm bad at BC timeline so I'm glad we're in on the up and up so 54 to 68 Nero was the emperor of Rome
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um so Pompeo is a second wife and um are you saying Pompeo
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papaya p-o-p-p-a-e-a okay I was thinking about the Mount
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Vesuvius thing it's different than that okay uh yes but that comes that comes back we'll get back to that
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um so it's not it's not coincidence her name sounds like that got it got it
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um so she's a second wife um having a first wife is not a red flag you're talking about that's fine you can
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have a first wife you can even have a second wife it could be it could be like have a divorce and it didn't work out and whatever that's no big deal
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um but so the idea of having a second wife being a second wife is not the red flag um what happened to the first wife is
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the red flag but we'll get we'll get to that in a minute it was bad um so to study and you know get uh
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prepared for this I watch some YouTube videos some Wikipedia some other articles
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um and also a per usual cannot recommend enough um Dan Carlin he has a great
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um million part series called Death throws of the Republic that talks about when Rome was a republic up to Julius
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Caesar um and that's when they started to have Emperors so we're in the very beginning of the Empire The Republic is
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over so they get the background on the Republic listen to that it takes like three days but it's
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totally worth it um and uh so it's a direct you know next step in that story
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um so I want to talk about the background the cast of characters and then what led to their marriage and what happened after
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um I also have to do the most exciting thing ever in my life I can find it oh I got to reference my own Library fires I
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was like I think I've seen this before so I can pull a book on my own library that gave me information that I needed which is like
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what's the book called this is um a fatal Thing Happened on the weight of the Forum
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um it is a book about murder and death and Humanity in ancient Rome um It Is by Dr Emma southin it is very
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funny it's like funny she's very sarcastic um I feel like she's probably younger than me like I could talk to her she's
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awesome um so she wrote this amazing book and it is um it talks about like just how much
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violence there was in this time and the way that people saw other human beings so
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if you were an enslaved person in this time you were not considered a human like at all and a lot of people who were
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enslaved didn't look physically different than the people who weren't because it was like Spoils of War from
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like another part of Italy you know it wasn't like um it wasn't like you know African people that you could like see and
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really like make that a thing it was like just other people but they weren't seen as actual human beings so they died
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a lot people died in like the arena and they died you know working a lot and
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um like to death like working to death you know and like for spilling wine you know you get eaten by a lion and people
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didn't think that that was wrong it was just sort of like par for the course so it's kind of like hard to understand
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because it was a long time ago and we also have like very little
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actual details and information about this like we have stories that we heard
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heard like passed on and like bits of pottery and things like that but don't know exactly what happened but it seems
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like you know people like wives and children like they weren't you know treated like people so
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if your wife dies um a sort of a you problem there's no like police force you're not gonna go to jail you know it's like your family's
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decide what to do and if you your family decides that means that you die too problem solved you know so it's a lot of
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like just there's a lot of murders so it's violent it's smelly it's sticky there's blood everywhere like that's the
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world that we're in right now in ancient Rome and what did we learn last week if you kill your spouse cremate the body
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before the autopsy uh 100 yes don't like kill them with a knife that has your
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name engraved in it absolutely not um so you know we see a lot of Christians being burned for fun we see a
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lot of um people like taking some trees and on spikes and a lot a lot a lot of death
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um in here but you just kind of feel you get you get the impression that people felt a little bit differently and
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there's a lot of that is in this book a fatal Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum that I totally recommend
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um but just kind of have that in your head that you have these like people that you don't and murder isn't like
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you're not going to go to jail there isn't a jail and people nobody cares yeah nobody cares
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um so that's where we are right now we're in ancient Rome um and some of our you know important
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characters um of course there's Nero the emperor and uh to continue with our noodle
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analogy Nero is like the spoon that you use to get noodles out of
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the pot like he's not even a noodle he's like that that like spoon with like the Little Fangs on it that you use to pull
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out spaghetti can we okay so you know what's funny is my head went directly to the spoon you
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get when you get Ramen little boat tray thing no that one's that one's lovely and
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gentle I'm talking about the one like the big one with like the spikes on it that you use to like hand out the
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spaghetti so that's what picture picture painted yes great
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um no I feel like if we do find someone gentle and nice they can be like a Ramen spoon like the swing you get when you get like miso soup
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that seems like a kind spoon um but so Nero our emperor his mother
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agrippina Claudius it's his uncle and his SEPTA and an emperor so there's a lot of like
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there's a lot of family tree stuff very Game of Thrones that I do not understand um but I will try to clarify it as best
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as I can um there's Octavia which was Nero's first wife Pompeo is his second wife and
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then some supporting characters there's a witch um there's actually a fourth wife and then there's a a man called sporis who
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we'll get to okay so Nero was married four times yes got it okay yes
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um kind of five the last two kind of go on top of each other we'll get to that
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um so most of History talks about Nero as being just the worst Emperor ever just being violent and selfish and some
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of the things he did are terrible like all of the killing lots of sexual assaults
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um actually he's actually a model for the Antichrist in the Bible so some sex believe that when the Antichrist comes
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back he'll look like Nero um which means that he will be chubby and have a neck beard because that's
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what Nero looked like even the statues of Nero he's chubby with a neckbeard so you know that's like what he looked like
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and what he wanted to look like so picture that um and
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some things he did that are like bad but like I feel like they're par for the
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course for an emperor in this time or like a supreme leader in any time so it reminds me of things like you know he's
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not paying attention to things happening in the far reaches of the Empire right now the Roman Empire goes all the way up
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to Britain so I mean how is he even gonna know what's happening over there it takes like months to get over the Alps to come back and tell him and he
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just doesn't care about you know the Empire itself um he cares about you know himself and some of the things that he does involve
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him like being the best Sportsman and being the best actor and being the best blah blah he's the Kim
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Jong-un so that that's exactly is that what you thought that personality trait
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seems to exist you like it's ubiquitous with like power it sounds absolutely absolutely that's it I wrote It's like
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being the best basketball player all of South Korea and like uh remember when Putin like went scuba diving and
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attempting to the ocean and found those like ancient pieces yes it's like that
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because like you know it's like that like makes him the worst but what I do think it is is it is a red
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flag for a lot of [ __ ] happening underneath the surface you know so obviously like we know there's like so
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many terrible things happening in Russia and South Korea and they have these leaders who are like hey but I'm the best and you're like people are serving
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you know so you're not the best is also chubby but I don't think he has a nice beard no I don't know if he can grow a
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beard yeah but it's a very similar idea you
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know someone being like Oh my gosh and then like when you watch like I don't know I watched a documentary and of uh
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eye doctors going to South Korea and um carrying people's glaucoma and after
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they would like remove the bandages and they could see they would go up to like a picture of the supreme leader and be
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like thank you supreme leader I'm so grateful for you that you did this for me that you got me this Dr blah blah but you're like this could have happened
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like 15 years ago if the supreme leader allowed doctors in you know like he what so the amount of brainwashing is just
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yeah unbelievable yeah so there's a lot of that I think in this episode for for both things but
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um so you know the stuff that is um that is bad some of it's legitimately bad some of it's red flags for other things that are happening
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um Nero himself was born in the year 37. um his name was ready luces demetis
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inoibaris nope I can't do it that sounds terrible but he's generally a member of the upper upper class that was his name his dad was kind of terrible he died
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when he was two his mother was agrippina the younger and she was a very very power hungry like she was like distantly
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related to the Julio Claudia and so Julius Caesar and Claudia is the first emperor um and uh the current Emperor at the
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time when Euro was born um Caligula was afraid of agropina he was
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afraid of her Ambitions so we had her banished and Nero got sent to live with an aunt and he got tutored um instead of
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I like a normal tutor he got tutored by an actor so he has this like actor who like was his um tutor and also actors
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are like the lowest of the low it's like it's
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like sheep slave actor in like a thing you know like it's real bad so um so
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he's like you know brought up by this actor for a little bit um and Caligula is obviously gets
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assassinated because there's a lot of assassination in this story and a lot of murder yeah yeah so the next in line is
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uh a man named Claudio uh Claudia uh Claudius oh my God Claudius in the
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Claudio line so he is actually agrippina's Uncle so he's Nero's great uncle
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um and agrippina and and Claudius get married so she's married her uncle I know this is a lot I'm confused so she
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so the there's a new the new emperor Caligula is is murdered the new emperor is Claudius Claudius is agrippina's
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Uncle so he's Nero's great uncle they're in the they're in this like Julio claudian line of line from the original
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Emperors of Rome going back you know a couple like 100 years or so um and that means that
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um he adopts Nero so the new emperor is now Nero's stepdad and also his great uncle
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it's gonna be so confusing especially being taught by an actor like there's the if we can't stream the logic
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together some actor is probably not going to be able to stream The Logical that family lineage together either right totally it's like um it's like a
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VC Andrews book I just like don't know what's going on but so now um
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the claudius's emperor agropina is empress um and also Claudius has a young son
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named britannicus who's a little bit younger than Nero okay so now they're in this like incestuous family
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um whatever and Claudius was right to be worried um you know about agrupina she was
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definitely um wants to be in power that's her whole thing she wants to be power but she can't be because she's a woman so she
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needs to be you know just like you know related power so she's married to the emperor but she really wants her son to
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be Emperor so she cooks up a plan to kill Claudius so agrippina Nero's mom
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um gets this woman who is super fun her name is
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Lucas but she is a poisoner so she is the kind
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of person where you would go to her and ask for poison to kill someone so you're like my husband's abusive
47:27
um I don't like the emperor like I might kill my rival like she would give you the poisons so she could do like all sorts of different kinds of poisonous
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things um you know she could make it like a slow burn or immediate death or like
47:38
whatever she was like this like witchy made poisons I say witch because like she feels witchy and fun yeah yeah I I
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love I love the witchy but in this case given where the request is coming from she knows that she's doing something to
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kill the emperor absolutely yeah okay yeah nobody cares nobody cares who knows she knows
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um so she gets um so uh agrippina asks for like a slow
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um poison that will kill him solely over a meal so not like drink it you die immediately but like start to get sick
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and then die at the end of the meal so you could like attribute it to bad food or like something else um but I'm like playing out the whole
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story about like Rasputin's assassination in my mind right now Wade's just sitting there like please when are you gonna kneel over when are
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you gonna fall face first into your bat of wine is it's incredible exactly and
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then what happens is Claudius doesn't die from this because he throws up because he throws up because he drank a
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bunch of wine so if you drink like seven casks of wine and eat a bunch of food like you're probably gonna throw up um
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so if he does and so he doesn't the poison doesn't work sagraphine has to go back and get something that will kill him a little bit quicker which is a
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smidge more suspicious but it has to be done so they do it and Claudius is um he
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dies and Nero becomes emperor do we know what age in Europe is at this point he's
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16 when he becomes Emperor oh my God yeah so that's actually that's a that's exactly what we're talking about so he
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keeps uh Lacosta the witch she gets to live in the palace with him and just like be on hand from Drake poison so I
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picture her like um in Robin Hood Men in Tights like in the basement with like do you know what I'm talking about latrine
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no and Robin Hood meningites the witch's name is latrine and she lives in the Basin and like gives him like like
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there's like the bones and stuff is really funny um it'll be a fun one to have in a basement just you have an in-house
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switch to go to whenever you need to support potions I love that I love it I love it um she probably also did like
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skincare stuff I imagine like other fun things um so she lives in the in the in the
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palace with Nero um he's 16 years old so I'm glad you asked that because I did
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watch a couple videos where they like talk about him being 16 and how that is
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um you know a very young age to become emperor and like imagine yourself at 16 and that kind of thing
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um one of the videos even like it was like a I can't remember I'll put it in the notes but a British documentarian
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talking about it and they had like clips of like young British dudes at the pub and I'm like
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yes and no yes you're young when you're 16 but also I don't know what a ancient
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Romans 16 is you know like being a teenager is new like do you remember learning that in school like you weren't
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teenager became a word like after World War II like other 16 year olds were probably married and had jobs you know
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is that like yeah like once you consider if you were like a single woman or girl at like 16 more she's like considered an
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old man I mean the lifespan was so short back then I would assume yeah totally so like I don't know I don't know if I
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don't know if I can compare him to a 16 year old now and say he was super immature like he was definitely like not
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the best Statesman of all time but I don't know if his age is like as big of a thing as we can say it is but he's young
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um but either way like he wasn't going to do all of the work his mom was so
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even like a really kind of um crazy thing is that they're both on the coin from this time him and his
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mother um so which is like super impressive they're staring at each other like they're both the same size so like
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they're both like they know that like she is a big part of this um of ruling Rome as well
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um So eventually she's like trying to get more and more power she's thinking of maybe siding with
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britannicus who's her stepson remember aquarius's son so Nero has him killed so
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he's out of the picture he gets poisoned um and then he's like his mom continues to try to
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um you know get power from him so he has her kills um eventually he has his mom killed oh
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yeah so that's a red flag you know if you're killing a lot of your family members for
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power I imagine so no the red flag is like the witch in the basement who's like constantly creating poisons to kill
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your relatives I mean why is nobody no that's definitely bad but he could you know he could kill you at any moment in
51:53
any number of ways the first time the first way he tries to kill his mom is he stages like a boat crash so he like puts
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her on a boat gets another boat to hit it and expects her a drown but she doesn't and then mostly elaborate I know
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because you want to make it look like an accident but he was like forget it he ended up ordering assassins to
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um to kill her and make it look like a suicide but okay gave the basement gave to the basement
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which uh night off basically exactly exactly so his mom is uh his mom is dead
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um he's now like the sole leader of of Rome um and now um let's talk about his wives I think
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this timing overlaps a little bit like he's married when um it doesn't happen with his mom but we'll just talk about
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his his wives in general so his first wife Octavia was a stepsister
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so I mean they're not related they're step they're step siblings um but I so she fits into this family I
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mean it kind of makes sense because it's not like you can like if you're that high up in royalty like your network is
52:58
probably very insular yeah the people that you interact with on a daily basis probably like it's just like everybody
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that lives in this Castle because you're not going to go down to the market and buy fish right so yeah I guess attracts
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attracts I mean Queen Elizabeth married her cousin so is that true you know Charles Charles is her cousin no Charles
53:17
is the her son but um Philip was her cousin Philip yeah yeah wow okay like you're a second
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cousin but like not a great number of cousins um don't get mad at me England but that's it's they're related
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um so he's very talktavia she's a step sister she's also quite a good wife she
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really wants to be subservient to him she wants to help Rome Sheila loves Rome she loves like you know being a wife all
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the things um and he hated that so we tried to kill her several times by strangling her um because the people loved her and like
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that was annoying and like she just like didn't she wasn't super exciting um they didn't have any children so we kind of
53:53
use that as a weapon over her because they've been a couple years and they haven't had kids so um during this time he obviously like
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has girlfriends and things like that and he's trying to you know he's doing other
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things um so he meets uh papaya during this while he's still married to Octavia
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um so papaya is from Pompeii so that's where I like brought that up they actually think that they have her
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house in Pompeii excavated so you can like go into where she might have lived she wasn't like there during the I don't
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know when Mount vesus erupted but she wasn't there during that time but they think that they have her house
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um I've been there it's awesome it's really fun to like walk around Pompeii I don't recommend climbing Mount Vesuvius
54:34
because it costs like 10 euro and it takes forever and you get up there and it's just sand it's not very exciting um
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but so she's from Pompeii she's been married two times before actually
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there's actually a fair amount of divorce in in ancient Rome and it seems to be fine if there's no no one has like
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any qualms about it um her first husband was actually executed by agrippina near his mom
54:57
because she didn't trust him so he was like in like the guards and she didn't trust him so she had him killed now she
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marries her second husband um and they got divorced so um whatever so she has one son from her
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first marriage and she meets um meets Nero and it seems like this is the this
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is the the thing like they really like each other they really want the same things the shoes from like a noble family she wants to get
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um you know a head so it is he um it seems like this is like this is their love they really really like each other
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um so he gets her pregnant um and he banishes Octavia his first wife which I was reading it and I was
55:32
like well that's great he banishes her I'm like banish me to an island with something like it's not gonna end that
55:38
way though like it's it's bad isn't it it does and he kills her almost immediately so he he banishes
55:45
her and people are sad because they liked her and they miss her so he's like oh my God I don't want to bring her back here so he has her health as well
55:52
um so we thought for her maybe he didn't but like no he did so um but also Taylor if if you get
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banished you're probably not getting banished like Hawaii right like you're probably getting banished like
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somewhere awful I would assume I kind of think I don't I don't remember where she's been this too but I kind of think
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it's okay I think you get banished like the seaside actually Italy yeah there's not really that many basketballs yeah I
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think it's like like in Napoleon like on Alba I'm like what are you crying about dude you know but like you still like want a lot of power so people loved her
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wanted her back so he had her had her killed um so he marries his pregnant
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um papaya in 62 A.D um and you know they generally like each other chose to get married
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um she helped him with his Reign the Roman people didn't love her because they were like Octavia and they're obviously like this is suspicious
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um she also had a child from her first marriage that Nero drowned on a fishing trip
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so that's my Act so bad I keep being I keep seeing things that are like new new historians are
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like maybe he wasn't that bad but I'm like maybe he was like that sounds real bad
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should be the role so your mother some charming yeah talk about a family
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Annihilator okay for real so he kills he kills that that kid because he wants like the only kids of of papaya to be
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his um but unfortunately the first baby that they have um she only lives to be four months old which is kind of like
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par for the course I feel like for most of all time so um but now you know Nero is only 26.
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he's not like it's been 10 years he's had he's like killed his mother he's has two wives like you know a lot of stuff
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has happened um but he's still only only 26 and then something crazy happens um Rome burns down
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in 64. I've heard yes zero in the fiddle right exactly exactly except fiddles
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were invented until a lot later and he wasn't there so that's not true I was like too
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um so he was actually at his beach house you know like 30 or so miles away on the coast
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um and he did come to Rome immediately once he heard that it had happened um and Rome burned for almost nine days
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so what we see now of Rome and like Pompeii and ruins now you know you see
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stone and you see like that whatever like the stuff that could survive you know 2000 years and survive fires and
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earthquakes and all of that thing um but there's also like tons of wooden houses you know there's wooden houses
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there's fabric there's people there's livestocks there's hey there's so much stuff that can burn so a lot of Rome
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kind of Burns To The Ground um the same thing happened you know in the Great Fire of Chicago where a lot of
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Chicago was burned down the same thing happened to Moscow um and I think in the 1800s Moscow burned down because it was all wood you
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know so a lot of it what we see is the kind of what is left um so he did return to Rome
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um and one thing he did that was good he did open his Palace to let people in which I wanted to note that Joel Osteen
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did not do remember that guy he's like kind of the mega church somewhere and then like there was a
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disaster in Houston and he didn't let anybody in the church to like stand right he was trying to preserve the
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carpet which yes I mean right and all the money yeah the worst so I mean he's worse than
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emperor Nero if that in that case which is I think is pretty bad um so one thing that people are suspicious
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about in history is that um after the great fire Nero built a huge
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castle um on some of the empty land so some people think he might have done it to clear the space for his castle
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I mean it's fitting with everything else you said I mean I like that it was like happy out there saying yes look at him
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he opened his castle up to let the people come in he murdered like half his family in
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they killed his wife the step kid this sounds more in line with his
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character than he's just a normal Emperor totally totally and he like
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um he also like stuff like that like it's I'm
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also I'm saying like it's 2000 years ago we don't know what life was like then all those things but also 6 000 people
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died making the stadiums and Qatar for the World Cup this year you know I did not know that that's insane they would
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like they brought people in from other countries took away their paperwork and worked them to death and that happened this year you know so like there's still
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so many bad things that happen in the world that are very similar it has to do with power um
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so after the burning of Rome while those Palace is being made Nero does most hilarious thing and he goes to Greece
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because the Greece is part of the Roman Empire and he goes on like the artistic tour because he wants to be like a
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singer and an actor and he like wants to put all the instruments and wants to like perform um he actually he brought a lot of like
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performance to like the Gladiators and the you know the arena like he had like
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you know if you're gonna kill kill Havoc a slave killed like have him dressed like Hercules you know so you can like
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make him more of like a story so he really liked that like Showmanship part of it so he goes to Greece where they're having this like annual
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um Festival where every town and every place has like a um competition like who's the best
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singer in town who's the best blah blah blah in town um there's about 1800 competitions throughout Greece and guess
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how many Nero wins wins yeah well given his pedigree and
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that he was raised by an actor to teach her he probably did pretty good I'm going to say
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1800 I'm going to say 800. he won eighteen hundred no
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[Laughter] Pure Heart I know it's good for you good
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for you no like he definitely he won every single one of them so he goes to Gracie comes back
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um and people are just mad they're like did you kill all these women in your life did you burn down Rome where have
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you been you know all that um and during this time him and um
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papaya get in a fight and it could have been normal I'm sure that he was like not a gentle
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man um but she was pregnant and the story is that he kicked her to death while she was pregnant
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which is terrible um the like the newer there's like other
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things people are like maybe she just died in childbirth and the people who wrote the story hated Nero but either way it's not like he was kind to her at
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this point in her life you know yeah yeah so it wasn't great before this so it's definitely it's definitely abusive
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and she died he probably kicked her to death um which is absolutely terrible um so now things are crazy like now
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things are crazy he's actually devastated that she's dead um and he like instead of having her
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cremated per usual he has her like mummified and he has like all of these
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um he spends all this money on like a huge Memorial to her and all these things like he's very very sad that
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she's gone even though he probably had a lot to do with it um and the Empire's crumbling people are
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really upset with him he hasn't been paying attention he's been a jerk he spent all the money on palaces and he's like um competitions that he was in and he's
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never around so people are like this guy has got to go um so before that happens I'm gonna tell
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you the worst thing that he did it's subjective because he's done a lot of bad things but like
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clear your mind you never you never could have imagined this
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so I'm I'm nervous
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so he's sad that his wife is dead and he marries a woman named staletia messalina
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in 60 Seconds and she actually turns out fine she leaves us end of the story marry someone
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else and has a life but she's not what he wants he wants his wife back so what does he do he gets a young man who has
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an uncanny resemblance to his wife hasn't castrated and marries him oh my
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God that is buried in a lot of the stories and I'm
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like that feels like the worst thing like I know people died but like could you imagine if like you had a
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friend whose wife died and then later they were like oh here is this like person that kind of looks like her I
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imagine him like wearing a veil and being like I'm papaya you know like they just slap a dress on me and shave my
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beard and they're like this is my new Buxom life it's just incredible it's
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terrible so he made he married he married him um and maybe maybe he wanted to live
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that you know maybe he was like some poor beggar kid and he was like well I get to
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sleep in the castle and I get to eat and have clean water and wine and I gotta just I don't know well there is no clean
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water oh well um but maybe but I feel like
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it's just I feel like your situation has to be like pretty dire to where this is
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an upgrade yes yes so it probably wasn't an upgrade no probably not because I'm
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sure that he was also very abusive towards him like he was and then he would like this is all I'm making this
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up but I imagine he would like beat him up and then cry and be like I miss you like it's not great you know so um who's
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married to this dude um and now people start like trying to kill him all over the people start um
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you know having all these revolts all over the Empire so he starts kind of running around trying to hide
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um he's like in his Palace and he's like trying to find his guards and they're not there like people are abandoning him and he knows that he's kind of in danger
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now um so he decides that the best thing to do is to kill himself so Nero he plans to kill himself but he
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can't do it um he doesn't have the guts um so he tried to be like he's 30 years
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old and he tried to say my last words are what an artist dies with me that's
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what he wanted his last or his last words to be um but he couldn't do it so he had his private secretary
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um eroticus kill him um instead and he ended up actually getting executed for murdering the emperor which is super unfair because
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Emperor asked him to do it um and then um the others tried to save him
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um and Nero his words were actually um too late this is Fidelity so I stopped trying to save me I want to die
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so you know how he was killed um I think this I think he was established it was like a lot of like
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very bloody I think in the neck so he only lives to be 30. um and that was actually the end of the Julio claudian
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line that his mom um was from um and then the next year in 69 there were four Emperors so it was called the
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year of four Emperors so things were kind of crazy they didn't really get their [ __ ] together um until a little bit later
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um and yeah that's I mean after after Nero died Rome went to some time trying to figure
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out like what it was and what they wanted to do but he definitely left like this a lot of Devastation and a lot of
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death in his wake and I feel like his relationship with Papaya was
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so violent he killed her he killed her son she you know he killed ended up killing her and they felt so bad about
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it and like had a fake her maid and all that stuff which I think is crazy that's
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it so one thing that I thought of when you first started telling the story
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about how violent and awful it was during this time period and I'm
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and I'm I'm thinking on like what life is like today is I wonder which is the natural state
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of humanity and and then you said something else that I think solidified
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it for me you mentioned how he probably beat that kid who he had
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castrated but then when you cry afterwards he probably killed Pompeo and would cry afterwards and just remind me
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of like every abusive relationship that I see a story of on yeah investigation discovery of like this kind of a dynamic
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and I was like well I mean those that still holds true today as it did back
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then so maybe that is the natural state of people is just being just crazy and
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we just put rules in place to prevent that from happening yeah but I don't know it's it's kind of a wild story yeah
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totally yeah it definitely was like yeah you're right because I'm like you
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want to say like we're less violent than you know ancient times but maybe it's
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just more hidden there's still like you said 6 000 people died in Qatar I didn't know that I think there's like 40
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million people in slavery in the world right now um so there's like a lot going on we just like we choose to
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not have it as part of our like daily life I feel like so yeah because I've always been things have always been kind
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of awful at least for the most part in America you can't murder your wife and get away with it
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and your mom and your step kid and your Stepbrother but many people have I don't know yeah
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yeah yeah what's your takeaway what's your red flag takeaway I think that like
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there's definitely like a takeaway of like you know if everyone around you dies suspiciously I'm suspicious of you
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um is a big one and also that like quest for power and control of the empire being more important than family and
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relationships and people um I think is is is wild that you would just be like I will kill anyone and I
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will um you know betray and poison and stab and do all these things just because I
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have to be in control um I think that's crazy [Music]
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extrapolate one where beyond that to
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I think that Okay so
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everybody who got involved in this story obviously this guy was the emperor and and obviously look there had to be some
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inkling that he was and that Java was telling people constantly and doing crazy [ __ ] um and they still went for it and so
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there's something around if you are drawn to [Music] personalities of power or to
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institutions of power it can have an effect on you where you
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subjugate your own logic of like this could end badly for me because look at all the other facts in the in the story
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you'll you might abandon that in the interest of being closer to that power or that personality
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and so I guess check yourself if you start being drawn to that like why am I
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drawn to that and what are my boundaries that you know I'm not gonna overstuff
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totally I think that's that's good for the turpins too like if someone is controlling you and you're doing things
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that are that are objectively bad um when like yeah how do you when do you
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check yourself because it should have been earlier yeah exactly and if you have a cell
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phone in your trapped inside please use it to call somebody um so yeah
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I know I know for everyone that too for everyone um well that was our stories for this
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week on Doom to fail yeah plenty of red flags and
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thank you Taylor for your story and we'll do this again next week awesome thank you far as I feel like I'm getting
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my stride I'm trying I don't know I was what existic is but I'm working on it but I like these stories they're fun and
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I'm like the above relationships and just like crazy crazy [ __ ] that happened um in the past which I think is really
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fun because it's like we're all people are always the same and times are different and it's just it's interesting
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which is why I like started becoming a history nerd in my old age so why I became a true crime
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nerd in my old age and the through line between the historic and the modern is kind of remarkable yeah absolutely we'll
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keep pursuing it cool well I will see you next week foreign
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