This week we both go back into the early 1900s to tell the stories of two old-timey tragedies. First, Farz takes us to Silent Film Hollywood for the sensational trial of Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle - a movie star who got involved in the mysterious death of an actress, Virginia Rappe, at the height of his fame. A party weekend in San Francisco turned into a life-ruining event. Speaking of tragic events Taylor brings us to 1937 when the Hindenburg crashed upon landing in New Jersey, the trust of a successful company and tons of successful flights were destroyed in about 30 seconds. Including, of course, many lives. Did you know that The Hindenburg flew over NYC earlier that day and that it had swastikas on the tail? We did Nazi that coming.
This week we both go back into the early 1900s to tell the stories of two old-timey tragedies.
First, Farz takes us to Silent Film Hollywood for the sensational trial of Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle - a movie star who got involved in the mysterious death of an actress, Virginia Rappe, at the height of his fame. A party weekend in San Francisco turned into a life-ruining event.
Speaking of tragic events Taylor brings us to 1937 when the Hindenburg crashed upon landing in New Jersey, the trust of a successful company and tons of successful flights were destroyed in about 30 seconds. Including, of course, many lives. Did you know that The Hindenburg flew over NYC earlier that day and that it had swastikas on the tail? We did Nazi that coming.
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[Music] what your country can do for you and
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what you can do for your country [Music] so we're effortlessly pretend like we
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didn't just have that conversation Taylor how's you how's the drive-in movie theater
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um it was very nice we saw well we have a truck now so we wanted to drive the truck to the drive-in so that was super
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fun we like gotta have this like tiny blow up mattress so we used that and then like had some blankets and stuff
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and watched the movie and it was very delightful and then like I don't know anything about drugs I was like I think it'll be fine it's likely the blankets
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in the back and we definitely lost the air mattress on the back like it's gone it's in the wind but was the truck bed
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closed not like the top okay yeah I'm surprising air mattress
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will fly out actually I thought I had like heavy blankets on it I thought it would I thought it would be okay but it was not so lesson learned interesting
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did you see it fly out because you've stopped and gotten it we like heard it and then like I stopped we stopped it
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and I put everything else in the car like in the cab part of it but I am
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no it was Pitch Black it was like it's like a really really dark Road and so I was like I'm not we're not dying for
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this air mattress yeah yeah not worth it yeah and was it was it funner to see
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Mario Kart in a truck yeah it's so fun like we like all snuggled and and we're
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all sitting together and miles is the sweetest little boy he kept leaving the snuggle to stick his butt out at the end
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of the truck and fart because he didn't want to fart in the snuggle oh my God that's so cute he's so cute right back
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let me like go a little fart and then come back I think I commented when I saw a picture of Juan with a truck that we
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have to go get him cowboy boots next yeah cool well shall we get rolling yeah
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well let's say first that you're you're in Ireland and we tried to record those a couple times and we were both unavailable it is
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it is probably the most inconvenient time zone overlap of anywhere like Australia and New Zealand have a much
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wider Gap in time but it actually circles back around in a way that makes it much more convenient Ireland is not
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it is 4 P.M here what time is it for you Taylor 8 A.M 8 A.M for you it's 4 P.M
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for me and I'm here for a wedding so weddings start midday
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um and yeah yeah it makes it super inconvenient and like actually there's another thing I don't know how to do this but there's another thing happening
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tonight at a Tavern that's supposed to start at six but I think I'm just gonna go a little bit late because I just need
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some time like so the invite says it starts at six and it goes so it says 6
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p.m Dash late [Laughter] so there is no actual term end to this
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but it's amazing um yeah my body's my body's seriously hurting right now but yeah it was awesome it was really really
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cool it was really fun it was an amazing wedding they're amazing couple you get to hang out with a lot of Old Nation
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order people which was really cool so nice yeah yeah all good things yeah I
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guess we can go ahead and kick things off welcome to Doom to fail I'm farce joined here by Taylor we were just having a little bit of a chat about
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farting in truck beds and Mario Kart and uh Ireland
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this is gonna be released on time because I'm further ahead in time I can spend all my
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morning editing the podcast for release at 10 A.M Pacific on sad Monday so all
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right yeah yeah it's gonna actually work out perfect okay good so uh we're gonna go ahead and kick
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things off and hold on did I pick a drink yet I don't know if I picked a drink you go first today right I think I
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do go first so wait you should start with your drink man okay well I actually am drinking coffee but my drink is a
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mimosa because it's Mother's Day happy Mother's Day happy Mother's Day Taylor you're right thank you
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thank you there's nothing to do with my story but I just I have some prosecco in the fridge and I will make myself a
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mimosa later that is awesome that is awesome uh I need to call my mom okay Mom yeah the wedding again my head's
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just been in a different headspace for the time being but I'm saying yeah it's almost there so I think for me I've um
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I've been like mainlining guinnesses for the past eight days so I think I'm just
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gonna go with Guinness I think that's my drink gotcha you're 90 Guinness at this point Yeah by body weight I am and I'm
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not it actually has nothing to do with the story because our story is more like a Hollywood Story
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in this in Guinness is a very Irish beer but I'm feeling Irish so I'm gonna go with that please yeah you're in Ireland
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when in Ireland Mainland Guinness and Jameson and Middleton and red brush and
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the it goes on like that so I started
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researching my favorite murder in American True Crime history and I got pretty far before I realized
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that it actually has nothing to do with the premise of our show so I stopped but what I was what I was researching was
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actually a murder that you mentioned before Taylor you can guess what he guessed which one this was no wait what
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are your favorite murder is yeah um I don't know can I have one hint okay
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you mentioned it in a podcast where you referenced the Biltmore oh the black doll yeah there you go yep
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okay so I got in the Weeds on the Black Dahlia Murder there's so many details
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around this there's so many suspects and what I realized was nobody was charged we just
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have like some educated guests on who did it but as a result that we don't actually know why she was killed so
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there's one presumption I read that she was killed because this Doctor Who won
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the Jaws house remember that he uh got her pregnant and wanted
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her not to have a kid and so he killed her there's another story I read where she um she was killed by Bugsy Siegel
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like a famous mobster at the time and was thrown around thrown over to the under the Hollywood Sign where her body
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was found but really like there is no conclusive details on what happened to her so as a result it's kind of like
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just an unsolved mystery so why there's no red flag right so what can you say about that what about that redhead cop
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I didn't read about a Cop doing it it's like a redhead cop that like might have
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done it I don't know anyway I think he is redheaded does that have anything to do but is
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that how they identify him yeah okay suspicious
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you know what they I can't say that here that's true you're in the wrong space don't tell anyone I said that you can't
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say that here um but yeah so I was like okay well like that's kind of out I mean I do have a
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pretty good write-up on it so we could I could probably do a little side piece on the side thing on that but
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um I decided to kind of stick it stick with the light stick with black and white LA and I shifted to another super
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super famous in mysterious death the death of a woman named Virginia rap do
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you know that name I don't think so okay you might know the other name because the other name is a reason why
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this case is famous so the person who is the alleged perpetrator of this was a
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guy named Fatty Arbuckle oh yes yes yes yes yes there we go okay there we go so
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For Better or Worse the main character in the death of Virginia is basically Fatty Arbuckle for those that don't know
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fatty was basically the equivalent of like a Ben Stiller in like the early 1900s so he was basically a renowned
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comedian he was a silent film star and he was essentially Hollywood royalty I'm gonna get into like how much this
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guy made like it was in say how much money this guy made like digging digging into like the background of bio of a
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fatty so he was actually born Roscoe Arbuckle in 1887 in Smith Center Kansas
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Fatty's dad was kind of an [ __ ] fatty was born 13 pounds
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well that's heavy right holy [ __ ] yeah okay
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um my kids were six and they were that's pretty small I think average is like seven or eight Thirteen's a lot yeah
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okay yeah okay so his for his full name is Roscoe conkling Arbuckle and the
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reason for that is because his dad was so sure that the mom cheated on him to
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get pregnant by fatty because they were both very slight people and this kid was
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born at 13 pounds and he was like obviously this came to my kid so he
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named him Roscoe conkling Arbuckle after Roscoe Conklin who was a U.S senator known for being a womanizer and like a
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philander and just sleeping around a bunch so that's like what is it how his life started was he was named after basically a guy that was like very much
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looked down upon in society and yeah that was basically it so I don't think that is true that's a I mean like who
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knows if that's true but like that's not true but like you can't have a big baby if you're little
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yeah I I I I don't know I mean I I assume that's not true but I mean again like 13 pounds might be freakishly huge
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I don't know but um yeah that was a that was his take on it at least so at 11 years old I mean this this
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actually this case my head and think about this stuff so at 11 years old Fatty's mom died and basically the dad
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was like you're not my kid I'm not gonna support you wow so like I was looking
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like I would okay so again going back to me being in Ireland Jeff Dunn is the one who planned this entire trip like every
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minute I was accounted for you go from here to here it takes this many minutes to go here all of it every second move
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was playing by hand if he hadn't done that I was like dude I would have just landed in Ireland and probably just like died somehow like I wouldn't even got
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the wedding venue this kid was 11 years old and was like go support yourself
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it's crazy yeah that's crazy and then by 17 Fanny joined what is like
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now we would consider a comedy troupe like like improv type thing it was uh
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back then the name for that what it was essentially was a bob Bill show so it was like him and a bunch of his friends they would do like these acts around the
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city and all that good stuff and that's kind of like the start of his foray into the entertainment industry
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he blew up from there by 22 by age 22 he was in silent movies and he was
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basically this like huge celebrity so it was it was a it was this one show called
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Keystone Cops that is where he got his launch so he did this sitcom for I think
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two or four C no two seasons Keystone Cops he did that and then from there became famous enough to where he is like
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a silent film star essentially that show Keystone Cops that's where the
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pie in the face tag comes from like he invented that yeah I feel like that's like a a
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pseudonym for like bumbling cops yeah yeah yeah yeah you
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can look up Sills of it you can still find those um and that's basically what it is like again because so fatty will
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find out a little bit later he was called fatiguez he's overweight right and yeah so because he was
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overweight like it was a bumbling cop thing that that was kind of like the whole guy they put together so that was
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launch of his career and really it was like I wrote that was basically like when Jennifer did friends then
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transitioned into doing films that was essentially it in 1914 so two years into
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his run on that show Keystone Cops Paramount Pictures offered him a thousand dollars per day as a salary
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so I didn't know this but apparently back in the day actors weren't independent contractors they don't go
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from making a movie for this studio to that studio the other Studio they're hired on retainer by MGM or Warner
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Brothers or in this case Paramount that was that was the standard back then totally
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and go ahead sorry I don't think it's like a show it wasn't like it was like was it
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were they like short films because it wasn't like TV yeah that's true so it's a thing but you
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must have gone there to watch it yeah anyway keep going yeah that's a good
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point yeah there wasn't you're hilarious it's like no one no one likes Jennifer Aniston movies I know I know it's about like a
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they can be fun but not funny I'll say that much so four years into this arrangement with
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Paramount fatty uh I've been making a thousand dollars per day like that contract was was crazy because it segued
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into another contract after you became successful with Paramount to a three million dollar deal
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what year was it this would have been 1920 1921
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a thousand dollars a day and well it was a thousand dollars a day for four years then he got a contract
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for three million dollars for a three year deal oh my God that is so much money I would love a thousand dollars a day okay I have so much money
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right now that's 54 million dollars today wow so by comparison right now the
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highest paid actor is The Rock and that's he makes 89 million dollars wow so that's the caliber of Fame this
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guy was on I know what you want to talk about because it's like who knows this guy like nobody nobody cares right we only know him because of what I'm gonna
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discuss here but at the time he was essentially The Rock yeah caliber famous so
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totally okay so let's pivot to the other person's involved here Virginia wrath so Virginia was born in Chicago she moved
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to California in 1916 where she meant got married to someone who's basically irrelevant because he got hit in the like
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most Looney Tunes way possible he got hit by a Streetcar You Got Run Over By A Streetcar and
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killed so I guess that's that's how you die in the 1900s I guess
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she would start modeling and acting a bit uh in little bit parts around La by
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virtue of how famous Betty was the details I just put down for Virginia that's basically it because Virginia was
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I had to say but she was kind of nobody she's only famous of how she died and because it was fatty it was a part of us
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so that's basically it one thing one detail about Virginia that was kind of cool that I read was that she was actually buried in our favorite outdoor
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movie venue Hollywood Forever Cemetery remember sentencia yep sure
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yeah very cool way to go so going back to fatty so in 1921 him and his two
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friends decided to take a weekend trip from Los Angeles to San Francisco they rented three rooms one room was for
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fatty and one of his friends to share the other was for the other friend and then there's a third room that was the party room so basically they just went
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to San Francisco to party that was the entire idea great women started pouring in because
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again this is like the most famous guy in town he shows up he's in your city and among the women that showed up was
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Virginia so going for it I'll say that we don't have
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a ton of details of what actually happened we have very
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credible or sorry not credible the opposite non-credible witness testimony about what happened we have a corrupt
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D.A and we have Fatty's word and we don't know if we can trust Maddie so a lot of what I'm going to discuss here
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it's just straight facts of how she was found and what some assumptions were
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made around what happened to her basically Virginia was found to be very unwell and
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was taken to a doctor because back then hotels had doctors on staff she was saying to a doctor and the doctor concluded that she was just super super
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drunk three days later she hadn't improved and a friend took her to the hospital and
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this friend her name is Bambina Delmont and at the hospital the friend Bambina
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told doctors that fatty had raped Virginia at the time doctors found no evidence of
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rape but again this is like several days later so like I don't know how likely that would have been anyways and it
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ended up being that Virginia died the next day of a thing called Perry tinnitus peritonitis which is basically
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inflammation in the abdominal wall that's just left untreated which it was because she actually had with a ruptured
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bladder so she had a ruptured bladder and apparently she had that for like at least these three days where she wasn't
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getting any medical attention because everybody thought she was drunk and then she died of it say [ __ ] yes okay and
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absolute same page got it I think that friend also is controversial right very controversial very controversial so
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what's this happened in Bambino told the police at Federal Virginia the police decided that
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this is the craziest thing ever so because fatty was fat well she wasn't even that fat I'll get
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into that they assumed that the ruptured ladder which was the ultimate cause of her death was caused by him laying on
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her until the bladder ruptured which is like it's ludicrous so it's ludicrous but
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this story broke and it became a huge huge new so the Hearst media Empire was basically built on the back of the story
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like this was kind of the start of yellow journalism which I'll get into here in a moment but it was it basically
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imagine if we found out one of the rock killed somebody he killed a woman right but you would be all everywhere it would be talking about this yeah
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there were stories that this is so gross so there were stories that an ice pick had been inserted in Virginia and then
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that eventually morphed into like Coke cans and champagne bottles basically the media just like took this idea of fatty
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rupture This Woman's bladder and just like totally ran with it and just made yeah stories up so this is where
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convergence of several things come together so when I I wrote down several bullet points here the first one is a
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rush to judgment so I think just generally as humans we have a societal inclination to want to watch
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successful people From Grace yeah and this this was the
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guy this was the this was the highest of the high guys the other thing I wrote down was yellow journalism so
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apparently back then like Journal journalism really wasn't even a thing they would just write whatever they wanted to and they would let what it was
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basically what clickbait is today back then so they were just right where the people wanted to hear and then once they
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get feedback on the public opinion they just keep reinforcing that yeah I wrote down like so much of what we know about
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what happened in Virginia just came from these stories that the Hearst media Empire kind of generated for example that story I mentioned about the ice
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pick being served in Virginia there was actual Witnesses at the party that said that fatty was actually rubbing ice on
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her stomach because she was in pain and that morphed into this there's Hollywood abuse so this is the obvious Trope of an
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incredibly powerful successful Hollywood man in a naive young Starlight trying to break into the industry there is obvious
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that streaming going on here so the fact that the paper turned this into he laid on her and due to his immense weight
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ruptured her bladder it's crazy he weighed 250 to 300 pounds at his heaviest he was 300 pounds which
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is like heavy but like not like a wrecking ball size I mean I think there's a lot of guys
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walking around 300 pounds I mean I wouldn't want them sitting on me but I got to be hurt if they did
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um I mean definitely now yeah definitely now definitely I mean yeah he definitely stood out back then I'm sure it's worth
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noting that I've been calling him fatty this whole time he was actually super self-conscious about his weight you
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brought this up when I talked about um Chris Farley that writes me yeah chipping deal is that what it was yeah
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how sad he was because he was like fat shaving yeah yeah and and I read that
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here too where he would deliberately not do like the fat guy things of like the gags because he was
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just he just he was self-conscious he didn't want to be known as that kind of a person and yeah anytime somebody would
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call him fatty he would tell them he'd remind them that hey I have a name it's Roscoe like he never um
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yeah and then the last bullet point of the convergence of things here I wrote down
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was basically medical life it took three days to get her to the the hospital and
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the one consistent thing amongst all Witnesses credible or not at the party where that she was in writhing Agony and
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pain and nobody did anything they threw down to the doctor and the doctor said
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she's drunk and then all they did when she got to the hospital was purple for morphine so they didn't even address the
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fact that she had a ruptured bladder like none of that came to light until autopsy so right that's where that's
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where it all kind of came together by this point the entire country was basically ready to Lynch fatty because
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of those points coming together especially the Hollywood abuse side of it he was ultimately indicted for
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manslaughter in San Francisco and went to trial the prosecutor was a guy named Matthew
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Brady and Brady really had some Ambitions his idea was he was going to use this case as a stepping stone to
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ultimately work his way up to Mayor and then governor of California that was his idea yeah and he was basically willing
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to do whatever it would take to do that and we're going to see that here in a moment he started by threatening the main
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witness another model who was at the party named Betty Campbell she testified that she thought fatty had
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raped Virginia he also put a doctor on the stand who testified that fingerprints on the door of the room
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proved that Virginia tried to escape but was forced back in by fatty was like how would you know that the idea was like
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she maybe she gripped it and then like she was pulled back but how would you know any of that yeah he could have just
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grab the door handle like a normal person trying to leave a room yeah yeah also like the testimony was irrelevant
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because they actually pulled the hotel maid who testified that she had wiped the entire room clean
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including the doorknobs before the investigation even started so yeah because again it was like three
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four days after this happened that she died so of course they turned the room over right fatty testifies his own trial how many
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people have died in the hotel room right now I don't actually yeah and this hotel biological died I mean Ireland's pretty
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old so and this is an old hotel and it's old part of town so yeah yeah I'm probably sleeping in a dead
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woman's bed right now that's what I mean fatty testified and his version of events is that he
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discovered Virginia vomiting in his toilet he she asked to lie down in his bed he
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carried her to the bedroom and then asked other party guests to look after her Virginia started convulsing and they
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put her in the bathtub full of cold water to kind of I don't know why they said it was a calm
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her down I don't know why that would calm anybody down and apparently it was at this point that Virginia starts like ripping her clothes off and just like
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convulsing violently and that's when they that's when they call the the hotel Doctor Who was like
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oh yeah she's drunk that's all that's all it says uh after jury deliberations they were deadlocked with 10 voting for
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not guilty and two saying he did it and so a Mistral was happening when a Mistral happens it's like you just in a
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lot of cases you just keep going you just keep trying and that's what they did here so a few months later fatty was
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retried and the exact same thing happened except the jury uh except the jury this time was obviously a new jury
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and there was a few Witnesses who mostly just referenced the fact that they had prosecutor accident alive
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like that was basically it like those other witnesses that came forward saying this guy keeps trying to give me the line and again yeah another Mistral so
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as all this is going on fatty has basically been turned into a social prior so yeah he's not working
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and because actors are contracted out through their
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production companies the way they were they had full control over what you could say what you couldn't say so
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privately a lot of celebrities were in support of fatty because they all knew him and they're like there's no way yeah
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anybody but publicly they all said you can't talk about this you can't come out in
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support of this guy for sure not in support of them don't talk about it at all but definitely not in support of them and so he was yeah Persona in
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Hollywood so he couldn't work so that obviously means he's like hemorrhaging cash and yeah using a lot of societal
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status as a result of this at this time there was a third trial and that time he
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was actually found not guilty so at that time it was 12 not guilties he was fully acquitted
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the interesting fact here is that the jury in a super rare move wrote a letter to fatty apologizing wasting his time
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and that letter in part read this is a quote from that letter acquittal is not
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enough for Roscoe Arbuckle we feel that a great Injustice has been done done to him we feel also that it was only our
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plain duty to give him this exoneration under the evidence for there was not the slightest proof a deuce to connect him
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in any way with the mission of a crime we wish him success and hope that the American people will take the Judgment of 14 men and women who have sat and
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listened for 31 days to evidence that Rosco Arbuckle is entirely innocent and free of all blame so at this time like
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now on reflection of what happened most likely happens work the biggest
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assumption is that she had an abortion Virginia had an abortion that didn't go
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well and that was the cause of the ruptured bladder so that was that's the
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prevailing Theory right now nobody thinks that this guy sat on her or anything else happened that's the only way can make sense of what happened or
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was basically that all that being said fatty status never came back obviously this trial wasn't
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cheap he was basically reduced to nothing he sold his house he sold his cars everything his wife left him like
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he was like this case life was ruined basically and also movie theaters just wouldn't
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show yeah this wouldn't show his films anymore so there was a bunch of films that he
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made that were supposed to be released that weren't released because this happened yeah I wrote down the people
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that supported him so Buster Keane was his like number one supporter like he was very very famous they did a lot of
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movies together they were actually in Keystone Cops together as well and um and he's the one who financially
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supported fatty during all this like sure making three million dollars even like Jack came in today I mean back then
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was a ton of money but you bleed through that pretty quickly when you have to hire all these lawyers for three trials
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over and over again you're not able to work and as a result of that buster Keane was the one who basically came
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forward and paid his expenses so he could survive essentially
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that's nice he would eventually move on and would work uh in other ways in
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Hollywood so he would be like a production person he would do he would do camera equipment stuff and and all
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that it was basically just like charity because people who knew him were like you totally got railroaded dude like
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this was there was no way this should have happened to you and we need to find a way she can make a living and this is all you really know how to do and so
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that was that was it he basically did that and there's a story there that he
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um on the last day he was alive he went out with a bunch of friends and he was
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quoted as saying this is the best day of my life this is like years after the trial and then he ended up dying of a heart attack that night at 46 years old
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again this guy was like the funny dude he was like the he was the guy you won
27:27
around and everybody would say after this happened to him he was just a show he just walked around like just like a
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human being like he was just completely mentally crippled by this which like yeah yeah of course he was like yeah of
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course this time now the presumption is that he was 100 innocent so yeah in recent in
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the recent past like Hollywood is tried to atone for what
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they did to him and they gave him a a star his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and they've there's been multiple
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attempts trying to make a movie out of this so it's crazy take a guess at maybe one or two of the
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actors who were supposed to play Fatty Arbuckle that didn't is it not Chris Farley especially in the list first
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they're too long ago yeah no it's Crystal it's crazy it's Chris Farley it's John Candy and it's John Belushi so
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all three of these guys were connected to do a film a biopic about Fatty Arbuckle's life about this case in his
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life and they all died and like yeah yeah it's like a cursed movie
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yeah so so I was um ah I was thinking about
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like the red flags here like what I was like looking out for it I was like man like I think part of it is like
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we gotta first off say that Virginia has no blame in this at all she never said anything
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she never said that it was all these other answering people the thing I didn't mention is that
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Bambino woman who did say fatty raped her in the hospital she also before she
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said that called Fatty's lawyer saying you need to send me cash otherwise I'm gonna tell them that he raped first like
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that actually came out during the trial as well that he tried she tried to Swindle money out of out of um fatty
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before going and saying that this happened so like yeah I don't trust her at all yeah it
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sucks what happened to Virginia but be aware be self-aware like if you're like a successful person or you're like high
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up like just don't put yourself in situations where this is a possibility because this could happen
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um I I was trying to think of like another case where I've seen this this isn't that common is it because
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usually when it's electric Hollywood man it's true I don't know how it has people
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like die it was definitely like sexual assault cases against serious people
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but I can't remember anyone like being murdered or dying because it does sound
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like I feel like I'm remembering stuff I've read about it like it sounds like Virginia was sick like there's something
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wrong initially um and then that friend just like wanted attention and the media just like wanted
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the the ad revenue and the attention like always you know and yeah they ruined his life like I definitely I
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think I've listened to a couple things about it but I don't think that he did it yeah yeah yeah I mean it's it's it's
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like it's almost like Bible truth I don't know if that's a word bible no he didn't
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do it yeah they didn't do it like everybody's just like yeah of course you didn't do it but like at that point the
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it was like let's just destroy this guy because he's like uh I mean also was this like around the Great Depression
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it was like right before it I think if you're saying it's the 20s yeah it would have been 21. yeah it's
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before it but also like yeah he's definitely like a rich person and everybody else is poor yeah yeah okay so 29 was a Great
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Depression it's like yeah you play a steady build up of people like what you know you're watching this guy who's making all this money and then you're
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broke and yeah it's not gonna it's not gonna lead to good feelings it has a 20s and isn't it it's I think
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it's prohibitions it's probably like look what partying can get you yeah things like that too yeah it's a
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good point yeah yeah so yeah I think I think that's my take away from this is like yeah if you're like successful if
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you're high up there like the world is just looking for a reason to knock you off that pedestal like
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everybody's actively trying to distinguish extinguish their success so like just be careful
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there's also a tiny to get political a tiny smidge of abortion should be legal
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so that they can be safe because otherwise so here's the thing Taylor like I don't
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actually know if abortion was illegal back then because back then medicine was basically just like going to a barber shop and getting like salt in half like
31:46
that's fair it would be that again if it was illegal was abortion illegal in 1920
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oh yeah yeah oh wow so prior to 1969 abortion was punishable by life in
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prison yeah wow yeah good point good point that was also I mean at the same time
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like I still wouldn't want to get an abortion by a doctor in the 1920s like it would still sounds like it was it would be close to a death sentence but
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right no I mean she she had she was sick and they were like oh she's drunk like they the doctor did not help her at all
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no so that's certainly part of it too yeah don't get sick in the past don't
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get sick in the past another lesson yeah so yeah that's my story cool I like it
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thank you I like that you did an older one I was thinking am I getting too close to history stuff
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it's fine okay if I overstep you'll tell me right I'll let you know okay we have our we have
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boundaries okay perfect cool perfect um cool well thank you I'm gonna maybe
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watch some Keystone Cops later it looks funny any Buster Keem was in it
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um yeah he's funny and then one of uh Fatty's uh nephews was in it too and so
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it's just like a cool little time capsule of like the 1920s yeah totally I love it well I'm actually
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going further in the future of the 1920. today I know wow okay yeah so I was
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thinking about you being in Ireland I'm flying there and you had mentioned
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that you wanted to go to Belfast to see the Titanic uh launch from and then I
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was thinking like what else when we were up to America and like we've been trying to really crack this code of getting
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across the pond for you know for centuries so another famous
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um thing that went from from Europe to the US was an Airship called the
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Hindenburg oh that's awesome I'm gonna tell you about the tragedy of of the
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Airship Hindenburg the Hindenburg was made by the Zeppelin company also known as Lucifer Zeppelin it was founded in
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1908 by count foreign Zeppelin so like the guy's name is
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zeppelin which is fun he was a German inventor an aviation pioneer and he was
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born on July 8th 1838 in Constance Germany so we're like it starts off in
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like the early 1900s and then the Hindenburg you'll find out question 1937 so that's kind of where the story
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ends um count Von Zeppelin had a distinguished military career he was in
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the Prussian army during his military service he gained experience in engineering and Aeronautics so this is
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like the very beginning of like maybe we can do stuff in the sky he went to he came to the U.S to observe during the
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American Civil War because what happened here is that people use balloons like hot air
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balloons for reconnaissance for like the first time so like the first time that you could like
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of another armies that was never never a thing in the
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history of the world and I definitely remember being a kid and like reading a book about women who would like take
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their hoop skirts like their big dresses and make them into hot air balloons so that they could do that like reconnaissance I don't know if it's
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really turn up I read it was like a book I read a little I think that's probably true because during wartime you know you like get rid of all your stuff to like
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help the the cause so yeah but we use hot air balloons for that and Zeppelin he he came here and observed them he
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worked with the French in other countries to perfect his ideas and he eventually invented the Airship so he so
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just for the record count foreign passed away in 1917 which is about like nine
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years after he started his company the first successful fight of a zeppelin the lz1 took place on July 2nd 1900.
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eventually there were more flights Germany used Zeppelin as an aerial bomber during World War One used it to
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bomb France UK and Belgium it's a very very German invention
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did he invent the concept of an Airship yes well that's pretty that's pretty
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like revolutionary yeah absolutely it's definitely like there were like kind of
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planes a little bit during this time that was like that was starting but it was like how can we get in the air faster you know and that's why he was
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thinking like a ship and the only concept you had for like long distance travel also was a ship ship yeah you
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know because it takes like 10 days to cross the Atlantic on a ship like a steamer you know so you have that idea
36:39
that it's gonna take a long time it has to be huge right did you ever watch Fringe that show uh if I did I don't
36:46
remember it well two things one oh my God this is like this is a thing and a thing did you ever watch Hot Tub Time
36:52
Machine oh yeah did you see how to have time machine too no okay it's better than the first one
36:58
it's so good but one of the the the sun will go this is just like Fringe and
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then everybody else will go you're a [ __ ] nerd and nobody likes you and nobody likes you it's so funny
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um so whenever I think of Fringe I think of that and then also so Fringe is very complicated but there's like an alternate universe and the only
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difference is that 911 didn't happen and there are Zeppelins it's hilarious because you guys know you're in that
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Universe because you see the see the twin towers and also there are zeppelins do you remember in Hot Tub Time Machine
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when that guy went back and he created lugul yes so good
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it literally was listening to a Motley Crew song in the car and I only know it I know it my best for being a Motley Lou
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song from part of time machine oh man I need to rewatch that now watch
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the second one's so good you have to watch it you've also probably heard that the Empire State Building was planned to
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be like a place where you could drop people off in Zeppelins but it ended up being too windy up there makes sense
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yeah so the basic framework of a zeppelin is an oblong shape you know
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what it looks like it has an aluminum frame because aluminum is very light it's covered in fabric the fabric is
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painted over with a few layers of like special paint and chemicals to make it sturdy the Zeppelin itself is full of
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hydrogen hydrogen is lighter than air so it floats but it's obviously very flammable
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like yeah that's the thing when a better gas to use than hydrogen would be helium but helium is a naturally occurring gas
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and we're currently in a helium shortage during the early 1900s when the Germans
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were like oh we should try helium the only people that really had an abundance of helium was the United States and we
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would not give it to them okay so they had no choice to use hydrogen yeah right
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now scientists estimate that at the current rate of global consumption we have enough helium for like another 100
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to 200 years and then it'll be over no more balloons so in 300 years yeah no balloons a birthday parties
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Future Kids yeah that's to be you oh my God and and that
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along with how we feel about clowns is going to completely destroy the clown Community it's gonna be over absolutely
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there's no helium uh we wouldn't give it to them because it's the early 1900s and
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we don't trust them and so it's filled with hydrogen there's essentially like 16 giant balloons in the middle of the
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Zeppelin filled with hydrogen there's fins that do the directions on like the sides and the back to help it go up and
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down there's like an engine and some like propellers there's a control room
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um it has wheels like a um like a ship wheel to keep it steady and to keep up
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and down so the captain kind of works in there in some cases like in the Hindenburg there's passenger cars
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there's a restaurant like also in Indiana Jones jumper that part of Indiana Jones when they're getting on
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the Airship and then he's like no ticket because he punches that guy in the other window I believe that every time I leave
39:57
this podcast going man that's like somewhere hours of media consumption for me so you know whatever it's pre-plane
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travel but planes are close um the problem right now is they don't know how to press pressurize that
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airplane so it has to fly low and it takes a long time to to go and it's very
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dependent on the weather because so now you know you fly above the weather but you couldn't do that then the Zeppelin
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also was not pressurized so it was also pretty dependent on the on the weather and then there was also some water
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like a whole bunch of many tanks of water in it that they could like that they could ballast out so like dump out
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the water so that it would go up and down so there's some ways to make it move there's Nazi flags on the side of
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this thing I'm gonna get to that no that's the craziest part I think okay that's right so it sounds scary and
40:46
kind of fun the current Zeppelin that you might think of would be the good the Goodyear blimp and give your blimps were
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actually just balloons like a big hot air balloon until 2014 when they started getting remade as helium Zeppelins
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Goodyear actually works with Germany's zlt Zeppelin Lou shank which is the same company that Zeppelin started
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so it the company is like back and making Zeppelins and that's what Goodyear worked with to make these new
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um Goodyear like blimp Zeppelins after World War One the Treaty of Versailles told Germany they couldn't make any more
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Zeppelins for their military and they made them destroy all of them so the company continued and did passenger
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Zeppelins and then after in World War II they built the V2 rocket for the Nazis
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and the company dissolved right before World War II ended but they had some money kind of set
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aside and it was re-re like created in the 1990s so yeah it's a very Nazi thing
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like you were saying which is not what I remembered are you going to go into more detail about what the passenger
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experience was on the Hindenburg yeah yeah okay then I will suspend questions going back to the beginning even though
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it sounds scary and like because you're like in this big huge huge thing Zeppelins are actually a pretty safe way
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to travel for the first 30 years or so there are a few accidents but Germans
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are very confident that this is like this is it this is the way to travel one notable Zeppelin was the graph
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Zeppelin in 1929 it flew around the world on August 7 19 20 29 it left from
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friedrichshaf in Germany and took 21 days to travel all around the world stopped in the Soviet Union Japan United
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States people were super excited because they had done this traveling fastest anybody had ever traveled around the world there were a couple accidents some
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of the 1900s where people crashed and nobody died there was one in 1910 the lz-7 known as the Deutschland caught
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fire and crashed during a test flight two people died in 1913 the lz-20 known
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as Zeppelin L2 crashed and all 28 crew members on board died and then in 1933
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the USS Akron which was not a zeppelin but an Airship because it was from the United States encountered severe weather
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and they crashed and 73 people died in in that one so there are accidents but
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also like what Transportation isn't perfect you know there's like one story where a zeppelin disappears over the
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ocean like it never made it but like that happened the other day with that Malaysia Airline flight so yeah I was
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gonna say also like I mean by compared I mean planes couldn't have been super reliable right yeah yeah yeah totally
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so I don't yeah I don't think it's like crazy it's not crazy dangerous so let's
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I'll talk about the Hindenburg itself and what was it happening inside of it it was named after the German president
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Paul Von Hindenburg Hindenburg is the guy who appointed Hitler as Chancellor so bad move yeah bad move
43:45
it is one of the largest airships ever constructed it was completed in 1936. it
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was 803 feet in length so like five passenger planes like really big the
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inside the ship itself there was like the gondola which is the part that like you see that hangs off
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the bottom that's where the captain was and and um the crew where they could like guide the ship the passenger
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quarters were kind of inside the balloon part on the bottom like layered on the
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bottom and they had windows that were like curved going out so if you were like in an egg sitting on the bottom of
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the egg you know what I mean looking flat there are two decks a deck and B deck the decks had sleeping quarters
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they're really small like a small little room with bunk beds and then it had like there's a bathroom there was and then
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there were like some lounges places where you could you know hang out so also
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for the rest of the ship because that's only a tiny part of it where the passengers were for the rest of it you know like it's this big space with this
44:46
these big balloons of gas and there was a corridor that went through the balloons and in the middle of that there
44:52
were some rooms for storage and for the crew so it must have been like really dark and loud and scary inside of us it
44:59
sounds scary as [ __ ] yeah this thing is huge it's only windows are on the side yeah so you could like walk like you
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know 800 feet it was like dark tunnel surrounded by flammable gas uh yeah about the ocean
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yeah there's also a reading and writing room to send telegraphs so you could
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like read and send messages to people um in that room and there was also a smoking room which people think is funny
45:24
and like it's definitely funny but people couldn't handle being on a three-day trip and not smoking like yeah that was the problem with the graph
45:31
Zeppelin like it was like people were like I can't I'm not gonna go on this trip for a week and not smoke a cigarette so they made a room that was
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pressurized and you had to go in and smoke in there there was one electric
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lighter allowed on the entire thing you weren't allowed to bring in matches or lighters or anything like you were like
45:47
search before you got on and you could smoke in that room the smoking room is not the problem it's not the thing
45:53
that exploded it just like happened to be a room where you could smoke on this like bomb essentially yeah
45:59
smoke inside this bomb that's great yeah yeah a safe way to smoke inside a bomb
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there was a bar that had paintings of Flamenco dancers on the side there was a lounge with a piano the piano was
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specially made out of aluminum to be lighter than a regular grand piano because otherwise it would be too heavy to be on the ship there is a website
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that I'll share called on airships.net there's a lot of pictures of the inside of it so it's like a nice like luxurious
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way to travel so it's a really nice Lounge the windows are kind of on kind of on the side like looking down so you
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could look down the rooms are small but it's a short trip it's like two and a half days so people would you know be
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able to go on it and then just like kind of hang out and then be across pond it seems like most of anything Pastor
46:44
related would have to be inside of the actual balloon yes yeah it's inside the balloon um if you
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look at the picture of the Hindenburg you see little tiny windows at the bottom of the balloon those are the windows from the passengers
46:59
yeah so they were like in the bottom of the balloon they weren't in the gondola which I thought right but they weren't
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yeah a ticket on the Hindenburg one way was approximately 450 which is nine
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thousand four hundred dollars today wow so it was like a luxury thing it can cross the ocean in two days ships take
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like a week before 1937 the Hindenburg made 17 round trips to and from Germany
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10 to the US and seven to Brazil to successful no problems now it is
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May 3rd 1937 and Hindenburg is about to come to the US again 1937 is a crazy
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time to be in Germany Hitler was appointed Chancellor in 1933 the Nazis are getting worse and worse and worse
47:43
it's very totalitarian it's a year before Crystal knocked when they started to be like very publicly violent towards
47:50
towards Jews but they've been you know doing terrible things for now for for years now there's propaganda there's the
47:57
Gestapo there's the SS it's the year before the official outbreak of World War II but Germany is starting to invade
48:02
other countries so it's like it's starting gearing up for war someone actually wanted to rename the
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Hindenburg the Hitler which is like unbelievable but also like hiddenberg isn't a good guy but it just doesn't
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have the same like the visceral reaction isn't quite there
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yeah they're not the same um so this is the thing that I think is
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is crazy there's like very scary propaganda posters that show like the Hindenburg and Zeppelins with the
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swastika with like the eagle with like the scary German things do you remember when we went to that German propaganda
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exhibit at the library so it was at the LA Public Library like several years ago but we went and it
48:45
showed a bunch of the propaganda and then some of the takeaways were like imagine what they could have done with the internet you know like it could be
48:51
exponentially more scary now and then also like this happened because good people were like it's no big deal and
48:57
then they got out of control and it was too late you know so it was like a how
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that was very I good message like you have to stand up right now before that thing so it there
49:09
is something unusually daunting and scary about this thing would not see
49:14
symbology all over it because it's just a giant I mean it looks like a missile like it looks like a giant bomb yeah big
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silver thing yeah totally like swastikas are [ __ ] scary like yeah they were
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like hear the word Hitler like you're afraid like it's a scary symbol to see so the Hindenburg leaves Germany on May 3rd
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1937 97 people were on board they approached the U.S on May 6th so three days later they're heading for Lakehurst
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New Jersey and that's where the landing strip is and where where they can land there's also a lot of reporters there
49:47
the Zeppelin company really wanted reporters to be there whenever they landed this was the first flight of the season so they wanted everybody to you
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know record it and be like Zeppelins they're awesome you know so the weather starts to get bad it
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starts to get rainy it starts to get kind of windy and so to things to delay their Landing so they swing by New York
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City and this is a part that's [ __ ] insane because they flew an Airship with swastikas on it over New York City like
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that blows my mind video of it but at that time it was just a country's flag right it didn't happen no I know yeah
50:22
but you like kind of knew like I feel like people did not know it wasn't like zero like you knew that like and also
50:27
people were still probably mad at Germany since we just did this right right you know in the Empire State
50:33
building was built in 1931 so people were could have been on top of the Empire State Building 100 or so stories up like watching this and I have video
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of it that I'll I'll share when I was living in New York City I worked at a
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hedge fund and I was on the 38th floor of a building overlooking Central Park it was beautiful and an awesome view I
50:51
saw two crazy things from being up there I saw the space shuttle being brought to
50:58
DC on top of an airplane I remember that happened it was like hugging it it was super I saw that too actually yeah
51:04
so watch that out the window and I also saw the um the Miracle on the Hudson plane in the in the Hudson you saw that
51:11
Landing I didn't see it crash but I saw it floating and I knew it was happening because my friend Juliana from work she
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had left work early to go home to New Jersey and she was on the ferry that
51:24
pulled people out of the water wow so she was like literally like giving people her coat and pulling them out of
51:29
the water but I saw it floating from the building that I was in so you see crazy things one experience but I just I had
51:37
never heard that in his swastika the Hindenburg swastikas so that kind of blew my mind if you do Hindenburg New
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York City would you see it yeah there's a um a five-minute newsreel um from Britain I'll send you the link
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and you can see it and it shows it like a video wow yeah that's kind of crazy so
51:55
the weather is getting it looks it looks like an act of aggression it doesn't look like that's what I'm saying it's
52:01
scary like it's scary and they've they've used Zeppelins to bomb you know
52:07
the UK during World War One like they've used them for that thing yeah so now
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it's heading back towards New Jersey it took it was about a 12 hour delay that they had because of weather so kind of
52:18
like floating around trying to figure out when they can land the captain Max Bruce is attempting to maneuver the
52:25
Airship for landing it took about three hours to get from New York to to New Jersey so technically they could have
52:31
waited more but because like they don't really like they kind of float up there for indefinite amount of time but they
52:36
wanted to to land and get going there are passengers waiting to return to Germany so they were going to flip it
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around and go right back to Germany so they started to as they start to kind
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of go into into New Jersey the back of the Hindenburg is a little low like lower than you'd expect it to be so they
52:54
start dropping some of the water ballasts to kind of get it to go up you don't know exactly what was happening because there isn't like a black box of
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recording you know so you don't know exactly what they were thinking they could have potentially like has sent a guy back to like check on it what was
53:07
going on inside of it they dropped their anchor lines so they dropped their anchor lines and those hit the ground
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and approximately four minutes later Flames erupted and that's what you see in the new in the newsrals is the is it
53:21
is it burning so have you heard Herbert Morrison's Live account oh yeah the humanity okay I'm going to read it oh
53:26
yeah but also do you remember in like elementary school learning about War of the Worlds oh yeah yeah the the horse
53:34
and walls yep yep and they like make it seem they did when I was like in third
53:39
grade like people were dumb for believing that war on the world was was happening and that it was like their
53:45
fault but if you've ever really listened to it it's [ __ ] scary it sounds like a newsreel like you wouldn't know that
53:50
it was someone acting the only thing that's really kind of weird is like the time doesn't make sense but I don't know how you would know it wasn't real like
53:56
yeah I mean that form of entertainment didn't exist so like why why would you yeah why would you ever assume it wasn't
54:02
real yeah it's okay I'm gonna do my best Herbert Morrison impression zero ready
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okay so he's with Charlie he's engineer Charlie is he's like engineer and Herbert Morrison is a reporter from
54:13
Chicago so he says it's starting to rain again uh the rain sucked up a bit the back
54:19
Motors of the ship are just holding it just enough to keep it from it's burst into flames it's burst into flames and
54:24
it's falling it's crashing watch it watch it folks get out of the way get out of the way get this Turtle to get this Charlie it's burning it's crashing
54:30
it's crashing terrible oh my get out of the way please it's burning bursting into flames and the it's falling and The
54:36
Mooring mass and the folks between oh this is terrible this is one of the worst catastrophes in the world oh it's
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Flames crashing oh four or five hundred feet in the sky and it's it's a terrific crash ladies and gentlemen it's smoke
54:47
and it's Flames now and the frame is crashing to the ground not quite to the more you messed oh the humanity all the
54:52
passengers screaming around here I told you I can't even talk to people their friends are on there I can't talk ladies and gentlemen honest it's just laying
54:59
there a massive smoking wreckage and everyone can hardly breathe and talk on the screaming lady I am sorry honest I
55:04
can't hardly breathe I'm going to step inside where I cannot see it Charlie this is terrible I can't listen folks
55:10
I'm gonna have to stop for a minute because I've lost my voice this is the worst thing I've ever witnessed wow
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those 30 seconds wow that feels um that that really like puts you there in
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the moment like you I mean the way you read it really well because like you feel the panic and the way you read it
55:29
yeah thank you yeah I mean I didn't even think about like people are waiting for their friends with like the welcome home signs you know and they're watching it
55:35
explode it's crazy the frame the flame started in the tail rapidly spreads to
55:40
the ship the hydrogen ignited Fireball 30 seconds and it's gone people were
55:46
jumping out of the cabins people on the ground running and screaming 36 people died 13 passengers and 22 crew members
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and one worker on the ground so a fair amount of people more than half people did survive yeah because it was wasn't
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it like close to the ground already so it's not like it and I would imagine as the Flames were running through the
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thing the gas is like gradually escaping not like it just like gone then you drop to
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the ground like I'd imagine like hit the ground harder than you'd wanted to but not like insanely hard like well it
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didn't didn't because it was it did it didn't like you're right it didn't like crash into the ground like a plane crashed into the ground it kind of like
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split into the ground but also like it's a fireball on top of it you know it's like all fire and then
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like a little bit where passengers are and that fire is on top of them so yeah they were pretty close to the ground they're about 200 feet above the ground
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people did start to jump out of it some crew members even like threops out and like mattresses to help people get out
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um there's an emergency hatch they slid down so some people were like on their way running out of it and then it
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crashed on top of them and they were burned in the British pathway news thing that I'll send you and share they show
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that happening and it's awful like people are running out of it and then it just crashes on top of them it is and
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it's really awful so the mystery is why did this happen like no one really knows
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100 what happened and I'll show you I'll share that footage with you but all the
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footage is from one spot because that's where the reporters were they were in like the reporter area so they all have
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it from like one angle but there are a lot of videos of it they show people you know jumping and running and being
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smashed so there had to be a spark somewhere obviously to like Start the Fire some of
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the theories are like maybe it was sabotaged because people don't like Nazis that could be a part of it maybe
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something exploded in the back maybe there was a leak so the back of the ship was like getting lower so maybe the
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hydrogen was leaking like you can't really you didn't really know and then I watched this documentary on
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PBS that's like relatively new about a new Theory a man named Howard shank his
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uncle was there and had a video camera like it was like a wind-up video camera but he was in a different spot so we got
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a different angle from the Hindenburg that no one has seen before and from that they did some they flew to Germany
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with like some like air some experts and they did some experiments and what they
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discovered I think this is pretty convincing is because it was raining the ropes were
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wet and the top of the Zeppelin was wet as well and when they dropped the ropes
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and the ropes hit the ground it like connected it and then the whole thing became electrical and then once that
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happens the water creates a spark so it's like why you don't have like a toaster in the oven it's a bath you know
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what I mean and so when they did it when they did their experiment they electrified the rope and then the top of
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the Zeppelin that got it wet and it took four minutes to catch on fire which is exactly what happened on this
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so I'm pretty convinced by that I thought it was really interesting um so because they were like rushing to
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to go down in the in the rain and just like the way it connected happened to
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like cause a spark so after but they don't know and we'll never really know
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for sure because all the evidence is destroyed it's just like destroyed there's nothing there's just like aluminum burned aluminum girders or
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whatever so after this there were no more transatlantic Zeppelin flights it was
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over people still had you know like a ticket to go back that day and they didn't obviously planes started to get more
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sophisticated and then also like we're folding into World War II so there's other things to think about the last
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Zeppelin Airship constructed by the company was the lz130 graph supplement 2. it flew in 1938 but it didn't go
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across the ocean again it was used for like sightseeing seeing and Nazi propaganda during World War II right I
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kind of think that I would go I would go on one because it seems like so weird
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I feel like we don't even talk about like the two days over the ocean on this that's crazy it sounds super scary but
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like fun it definitely sounds scary yeah so I
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mean also at that hedge fund that I worked at in New York they were like like companies who wanted you to like
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invest in them were to give you stuff and two of the guys I worked with got to go on the Goodyear blimp and they said
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it was really really loud that was like their biggest takeaway because like you're below you're like low and the windows can be like opened you know so
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like yeah it's like a loud thing so now you can kind of do that but and I think you can also do exciting blimps like
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around obviously but I also feel like I would not go on a hot air balloon so I don't know I I read something that
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when I'm looking this up there are only 25 blimps in the world right now
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yeah they're super rare apparently oh I guess they're different right yeah
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like a blimp is like a balloon like a big balloon and a zeppelin has like the whatever the like metal inside
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there were 119 Zeppelins built I mean there wasn't a lot of either basically
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yeah and if anything like where do you put them yeah yeah the whole parking thing is really wild
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um how you're supposed to just like tie it up too I don't know it's cool it's cool I I would definitely I would love
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to ride in the Goodyear blimp I don't think I do a zeppelin I do the good your plan that's true I'd like to do like a
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it'd be cool like sleeping is up button do like one name one I don't know I don't know it's possible but it sounds
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pretty cool there's something about like vast Open Spaces it just scares the hell out of me
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inside that giant heat what is it 800 feet yeah
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so scary so scary so scary I don't know but I feel like it's safe I feel like
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now it feels like it would be safer because they have like computers and also I would want a parachute
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yeah wait so there's actually a page on the
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Goodyear website on how to get on the bloom oh can you like sign up oh they went Invitation Only all right let's get
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on that list okay we're gonna have to call our agent and tell them that's what
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we want that's our next step maybe a blimp that's like very
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successful yeah we're doing great so yeah that's it they don't really know what happened Zeppelin's kind of one way or they're
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kind of like a cool Nostalgia thing to think about like that we thought it was going to be the thing and planes ended
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up being the thing I think a red flag for this and for a lot of like trans
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Atlantic travel like the Titanic is like you know you want to go to Europe and
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you want to come to the US and you want to connect it you want to be fast and luxurious and like super fun so one more
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thing that I wanted to mention real quick is another thing that they tried to do that ended up failing to go back and
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forth from Europe and the US was the Concorde oh yeah over the Concord so
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yeah there's a couple bullets in the Concord it was a supersonic jet that
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flew from the U.S to to mostly to NYC to London also flew to Paris and Singapore
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the first flight was in 1976. the fastest flight was on February 7th 1996
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the Concord flew from New York to London in two hours and 52 minutes at the speed
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of Mach 2. that's so crazy right now it takes seven hours to get to the for that
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flight yeah I've read a lot about um the Concord about how like given how fast it
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flies and how superheated the air outside gets the thing like is elastic like it expands yeah it contracts like
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dramatically it has a small boom yeah yeah well and they don't do they don't
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go Sonic until they hit the Atlantic I don't think right because loud yeah I would just Shadow everybody's Windows
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yeah yeah so they uh it's also very loud like I know someone who took it and she
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said it was very loud because they're going like supersonic through the air um it was also very luxurious very
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expensive it could hold 100 people only like 100 people at a time passengers and
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so because it's so fast very similar to the Hindenburg disaster there was one big disaster on July 25th 2000 a Concord
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crashed shortly after taking off from Charlottesville Airport what happened was a strip of metal on
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the runway caused the tire to burst leading to rupture the fuel tank the fuel ignited massive fire loss of
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control the aircraft crashed into a hotel resulting in the deaths of all 109 people on board and four people on the
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ground remember this flights were halted there was a test flight a few days later that had engine failure it returned
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safely but that was the end for the Concord as well in 2003 it was grounded for good they were you know super
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expensive and hard to maintain they had more fuel than other planes and you know
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not a lot of people could afford to even take it so they were like it's kind of outpriced a lot of people so just like
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just like the Hindenburg you know one big thing kind of turned the tide on on that form of travel I wanted to just say
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that those are some ways that terrible things can happen when you're going across um across the ocean but I wanted to tell
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you that on your way home to enjoy your slow your slow leisurely flight but also
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considering how long Humanity has been around and that it took Columbus 10 weeks to get to America in the first
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place it's pretty good we're doing pretty good I I actually thought the flight here I mean it was about eight
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hours and easy easy breezy like I hate I
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hate flying but I thought it was surprisingly easy to just like zone out I mean they take care of you right like
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you get fed and constantly and watered and all that good stuff so yeah that's
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not too bad no Concord needed exactly cool so that's it I'll share some videos it's crazy it's a crazy crash real scary
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yeah you can see why it's so famous in like in history and also
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um a lot more Nazis than I realized yeah yeah well I I didn't realize
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already so that was a surprise exactly yeah they knew there were Germans but like I forgot that the Germans were
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Nazis during 1937. there's four Goodyear blimps yeah four Good Year blimps yeah
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they even have one in Europe oh good for them Shannon don't let people write on it um that was cool sorry I'm gonna lean
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back up but I have um I have some corrections from last week's episode if
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you have a second so my father-in-law father-in-law is a doctor and he listens and he's the best so he texted me to
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tell me that I was wrong about chemotherapy it's not radiation there's actually two different things there's
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radiation therapy that's more General where they like put you in front of the machine and like radiation like goes
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into your body and chemotherapy is more can be more like a deliberate and more exact than exactly where it's going so
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it's it's like not radiation it's like different kinds of drugs that are meant to stop the um the cancer from growing
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so they both have the same goal which is to kill and change the cancer cells so that they don't grow anymore right now
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there's actually some things that people are working on on biological agents
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which are called biologics and they're used usually antibodies that treat autoimmune conditions and can sir so
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that's sort of like the next step in in cancer research and Cancer Care and so that is you know hopefully coming soon
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hopefully going to do something really great this is a terrible I'm so sorry Victor and then um so yeah radiation
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might happen before chemo the chemo itself is not radiation got it got it okay that was your Corrections yeah I
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saw you posted that you post that on our Facebook page I think yeah yeah yeah thank you Victor
1:07:28
thank you you're the best cool well thank you Taylor um I'll go ahead and kill the recording
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