Today we dive into the oft-requested story of the dueling, opera singing, bi-sexual Julie d'Aubigny! We'll tell the tale of her remarkable life, from a court mistress, to dueling on the streets of Paris, to burning the body of a nun to run away with her girlfriend! Lots of twists in this one! Happy Pride!
Today we dive into the oft-requested story of the dueling, opera singing, bi-sexual Julie d'Aubigny! We'll tell the tale of her remarkable life, from a court mistress, to dueling on the streets of Paris, to burning the body of a nun to run away with her girlfriend! Lots of twists in this one!
Happy Pride!
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Taylor: I knocked over someone's fence and now my car is missing
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
>> Farz: Hello, Taylor. How are you? Oh, you're bad. Sorry.
>> Taylor: I mean, yeah, I'm bad, but I said good for this.
>> Farz: You backed into a fence?
>> Taylor: Yeah, I like back out of a driveway, and I like sideswipe defense. And the fence is fine because the fence. But I like the bottom plastic part of my front door and my car fell off.
>> Farz: I'm just like, was it your fence?
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: Did anybody see you do it?
>> Taylor: No.
>> Farz: Did you? You know what? For liability reasons, let's not talk about this anymore.
>> Taylor: I mean. I mean, it's just. I'm just gonna go to the dealership and have them put a new thing on. Just like the plastic part fall off. It's fine. You know, just annoying.
>> Farz: So the fence is not damaged?
>> Taylor: No, fence is fine. Okay.
>> Farz: That's what I was getting at. If you knocked over someone's fence then drove off, you're like, yeah, but this stupid plastic piece. My car is missing. Like, yeah, you also knocked over someone's fence.
>> Taylor: No, I did not do that. The fence is fine.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay. So something good happened? You knocked over. You did. You didn't knock over a fence. There you go.
>> Taylor: Oh, I appreciate that.
>> Farz: Glass half full. That is the name of the game here.
Doomed to Fail chronicles history's greatest disasters and epic failures
Cool. Do you want to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yeah. Hi, everyone. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you history's greatest disasters and epic failures twice a week. Figuring it out.
>> Farz: And I'm Farce.
>> Taylor: Oh, I'm Taylor. Should I do that again?
>> Farz: It's fine. They got the gist. We're 200 and something episodes and they understand.
>> Taylor: Cool.
It is Pride month and several people requested this person
>> Farz: Well, who is sharing first? I think it's you.
>> Taylor: I think it's me, too.
>> Farz: Any hints today or.
>> Taylor: No, no. But I will tell you that it is Pride month and several people requested this person. So I'm excited to share a story of an a person from history who is a gay icon.
>> Farz: RuPaul.
>> Taylor: No, RuPaul isn't, like, from history. Still alive.
>> Farz: I mean, still, like history's being written. I don't know.
>> Taylor: Like, literally anyone.
>> Farz: Fine. Fine. Oscar Wilde. You already did Oscar Wilde.
>> Taylor: I already did Oscar Wilde. I'm going to pour myself some wine just to make this worse.
Justin: I think we like devalued life so much
So anyway, this also ties into a request that I got from. So a couple people asked for this person, and then Justin asked about duels, and I have some facts about Duels. Because we were chatting about how you've and I have chatted about how people must have thought about life and death differently in the past. Of course, we totally agree with. And one example that Justin had brought up in we were emailing and was duels. You know, the fact that you could even do it, you know, like you get in a fight with someone, they could die.
>> Farz: Yeah. I just think that we like devalued life so much. I mean, think about it. You always hear the story of like so and so were married and then they had 18 kids and all but one of them died. And so you're so used to death, like life doesn't matter.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I think life still matter, but I think you're also used to death. I think it's both.
So often French women are described as sword fighting, opera singing, bisexual
Okay, so today we're talking about a French woman. And I'm going to try one time to say her name. Then I'm going to say her first name, but it's Julie du Abongi, D, apostrophe, A, U, B, I, G, N, Y. And I wrote it out phonetically for myself. I was going to say Julie. Her name's Julie. Get it?
>> Farz: I would not have guessed it. This is like the learned league. It's like sometimes they throw something out there where I literally write the word no clue. Because I'm not even a guess. I'm like, any guess would be stupid.
>> Taylor: I know I write something stupid. Everyone's in a while, I'm just like, I have no idea. Just like, leave me alone. I know this is wrong. But anyway, Julie is later going to be Mademoiselle Mopin or La Maupin, which we can call her that too. But I'm gonna do Julie because that's easier for me. I'm trying my best. So often she is described as a sword fighting, opera singing, bisexual. And I wrote who among us isn't that.
>> Farz: I probably wouldn't classify myself as bisexual, but yes.
>> Taylor: And the opera singing and the sword fighting, like the whole, the whole thing. Like, we're all. We're all about package. So some of this might be a legend. Some of it is true. Some of it might be true. But I'll call out when we are more skeptical than not. But also, like, who cares? It's more fun to believe it.
No one knows exactly when Julie was born in Paris
And also I think big theme that we do in this podcast is celebrate people who live the out of their lives considering the horrors of being alive.
>> Farz: What year can we give me the year so I know what to.
>> Taylor: She's born in 1673.
>> Farz: 1673. Okay. So. Okay, got it.
>> Taylor: I mean, like, it's just. There's horrors constantly. So anyone.
>> Farz: Plague might have still been going.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Like, anyone who ends up in history for doing something fun. 10 extra points from me, which is important. Anyway, Julie was born in 1673 or 1670, again, who cares? Like, I don't know the exact. No one knows exactly when she was born in Paris. Which reminds me of. I pulled up this book, but I couldn't find the quote. This is unrelated. Have you. You don't know. Diana Vreeland is a. She used to be an editor at Vogue. She actually started the. The Met Gala. She worked at the Met Costume Institute. She's just, like, a fabulous woman. And one of the things that she says somewhere in this book, it's just called dv. It's great, is if you want to have an exciting life, first you must arrange to be born in Paris, which I think is just an amazing thing to say.
>> Farz: It's probably still exciting in Paris. You know what, Taylor? I was having this conversation literally earlier today. Remember when we were living in la, and then there was that one, like, French little shop that opened, like, on the street on the side of the office. And it was just like, this woman alone, like a French woman alone. And all she would serve was, like, these one or two types of, like, the. The prosciutto sandwiches with, like, a little bit of butter on it. It was just so simple and so decadent in its simplicity. I need to go to France.
>> Taylor: I know. Yeah. So if you can start over again. Arrange to be born in Paris, everyone. So Julie was born in Paris. She. Her father trained court pages in, like, sword fighting and, like, other things. So all of, like, the young men at the palace, she taught them how to do things. And I. It reminds me, this is. It's later. We're a little bit before, like, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette and all of that, but there's a part in. There is a show about Benjamin Franklin that's on, I think Apple TV or hbo. I don't know, but it is with Michael Douglas as Ben Franklin. I feel like I've said this to you before, but in that show, it's the time that Benjamin Franklin spent in Paris trying to get the French to join the United States in the Revolution. And during that time, he brought his. His grandson, and his grandson started to, like, learn French, and he became good friends with Lafayette, and he spent time at Versailles, and he got a job as one of these pages. And it was like, 50 young dudes who, like, really want to be aristocrats in, like, our lower aristocrats in a room. And then someone will come in and be like, I have a task. And they'll all be like, me, me, me, me, me. And then, like, one guy will be lucky and he'll get the task and he'll have to, like, I don't know, ride to town and get a stick of butter or something and then come back. So it was like, people really wanted to do stuff.
>> Farz: That's cool. Michael Douglas looks like a pretty convincing Ben Franklin.
>> Taylor: He does bills. He does in the I told you about the who was show that my kids are watching.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: So there's a Benjamin Franklin one. And when they do the part where it's Benjamin Franklin discovering, like, electricity through lightning, it's like this man who's, like, super, super buff with his shirt off in the rain, like, yelling. And the guy's like, that's exactly how it happened.
>> Farz: He does. He looks like a toad.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Benjamin Franklin was never, never buff. Actually, Michael Douglas could be a little bit chubbier to be a Benjamin Franklin. So anyway, that's what her father does. He trains those pages. And these guys are like, Aaron got boys around the palace. We're in the court of Louis xiv. We're two kings away from the French Revolution and Louis XVI getting his head chopped off. He worked for a man named Louis de Lorraine. Goose comp d' Armaic. I'm so sorry, Nadine. And everyone who's offered to help me speak French. And that guy, the d' Armagnac, he was someone who has a job at the palace. And his job, his family had held or someone had had this job since the year hundred. Like, it is a very old job that he had in court. And it will end with his son because his son will have the job. And then it will be the revolution and it won't be a job anymore, which I think is like a really long time for that job to exist. So Julie is learning with the boys because her dad is teaching the boys, which is nice. So she's learning everything that they would learn. And of course, one of them is sword fighting, which is like fencing. So I'm like, I have you ever watched fencing? I just. It's so happened so fast and it's so confusing.
>> Farz: Yeah. I don't understand how to.
Saron: I think being calm is more important than having the skill
I assume there's got to be electronics underneath the suit and on the head and everything. Because I don't know how else they know. Because to your point, it goes by so quick.
>> Taylor: Well, they must have known before that somehow. But I don't know how to your point. Like, I. It happens so quickly, and, like, it's so fun to watch because something like the whistle blows and then like, swish, swish. And then one person is so freaking excited and you're like, great job.
>> Farz: Maybe it was like paintball back in the day where like, maybe it was like a tip that was like, colored and then they count the color on you.
>> Taylor: Maybe, maybe. So it's like, I wonder how much someone who is a fencer could be in a sword fight. Like a real one, Like a Princess Bride style. I'm not. I'm going to cut off your stab. You.
>> Farz: You know, my theory on anything that involves, like, physical confrontation is that the hardest thing is having the presence of mind to not lose your in the moment and think about the consequences of what might happen to you. And I think with fencing, the consequences are you either go out and have a nice dinner or you feel sad and then go to work the next day. But with a sword fight, you got to be, like, chill enough to know what you're doing. I don't know. I think I'd rather just be chill and not be a fencer rather than to be a fencer and then get in a sword fight, not be chill.
>> Taylor: What?
>> Farz: I think being calm is more important than having the skill. Because if you have the skill but you're freaking out in your head, skill can't be put down.
>> Taylor: Yes. I think it's very mental game also, for sure.
>> Farz: Fencing experts here, you know me, we.
>> Taylor: All also have been watching the Star wars movies. And, like, I have watching them, like, in order, you know, starting with like, the new one from like 2000 or whatever. And, like, they're so bad, like, I can't watch them. I keep walking away. I don't even know what's going on. I'm now wearing the third one, so, like the. The Revenge of the Sith, I think. And, like, at one point I was like, I thought it was over. And then we paused it and had 144 minutes left.
>> Farz: It was, like, stupid long. They're so long.
>> Taylor: It's not over. So anyway, so. But they do a lot of sword fighting in that. And, like, I just think everybody would be dead if they were lightsabers because they're so freaking dangerous. They're very dangerous. So anyway, so Julie fenced, which also she could get in a sword fight. However she learned her skills transpose into sword fighting. And when she fenced, she wore pants, which Was a big deal because, you know, girls didn't wear pants for, like, hundreds of years. But she was, you know, obviously it was easier to do anything wearing pants. So she did that. She wasn't hiding her gender. She was like a girl wearing pants. And people were like, this is cool. And she was really good at it. So she's only 14. And when she's 14, her father's boss, that guy who's his family has had this job for, like, 800 years, decides that he likes her and she becomes his mistress. He's 46 and she's 14, which I hate. And he wants to keep her around. So they did the thing that they did for Louis, the 15th girlfriend later. So another king they did, where they had her marry someone else so she could stick around in court and not be suspicious. So you know what I mean? So this they had. So they had Julie marry a man named in 1687, and he gets sent away, like, illegally, like, immediately illegally. Well, the whole thing feels legal, but immediately. So immediately he's off to do something else, and she doesn't see him anymore. And she can be at court and be the mistress of this older dude who's her dad's boss, which, you know, that's bad. So eventually she gets bored of this guy and finds a new lover. This is like, within a year, all this goes by really, really fast. Within a year, she meets someone else. His name is Saron, and he's also a fencing guy. And Saran kills someone in an illegal duel, and they have to run away. So then I was like, you mean.
>> Farz: Like a gun duel? Or were they stabbing each other with.
>> Taylor: Their stabbing sword fight?
>> Farz: Oh, okay.
>> Taylor: I saw sword fighting. So I was also like. Then I was like, okay, if you kill someone in a legal duel, that implies that there are legal duels, right? I was like, how? Like, why is this one more legal than others? So in France, dueling had once actually been legal, and it used to be, like, a punishment for things. So it would be like in, like, early Renaissance. Renaissance, it was trial by combat. You know, like we see in movies all the time, where they're like, you go fight this guy in the arena or whatever. You go fight this person. Yeah. So that's. That. That's what it would do. But the problem was too many people were dying. Like, too many nobles were dying. Like, if everybody resolves their problems by getting into a sword fight duel, we're gonna have half the people that we need to continue to rule. So they had to make it illegal. So King Henri IV tried to suppress it in the early 1600s, and then King Louise took more, did more, and by 1626, it was officially outlawed and punishable by death or confiscation of property. So, like, that's so funny that, like, you would kill someone in a duel, and then your punishment is death. Like, nobody wins.
>> Farz: But, like, if you're, like, really good at sword fighting, then you go start s*** with whoever you want because.
Louis the 14th banned dueling in France in 1660s
>> Taylor: But then you get arrested and you get killed.
>> Farz: I know, but before he did this law.
>> Taylor: Right, right, right. You could just.
>> Farz: The law is a good thing is what I'm saying.
>> Taylor: I agree. Yeah. People are just like. That's how people are. Everyone's resolving their problems. We should be like, calm down.
>> Farz: They put me and you in a sword fight. Like, can we just, like, be friends instead?
>> Taylor: Everybody, calm down. We're in Paris. Let's just, like, eat some bread and cheese. Calm down. So Louis the 14th, who is the king at this time, enforced the ban. So in the 1660s, they, like, made it very clear that you cannot duel. So by now they're actually legal. Obviously, people still did them. And that's what this boyfriend of hers, Saron, was in, was in trouble for. So privately, aristocrats could duel, and if nobody died, then it wasn't that big of a deal. If someone did die, the king could pardon someone and, like, kind of, like, let it go. But usually they would be like, don't do it. You could also duel outside of France, I guess so if you just cross the border, you could duel someone if you, like, really, really wanted to. And I'm also sure that, like, poor people killed each other a lot. Bar fights, you know. So it's not a place where, like, killing someone is necessarily illegal, but, like, this specific thing is illegal.
>> Farz: It's more like wine bar fights. But.
>> Taylor: Yes, yeah, yes, exactly. Exactly. I did write a pub at one point, but then I changed it to an inn.
>> Farz: That seems more appropriate.
>> Taylor: I don't really know the word for, like, a French pub in Paris. Anyone knows.
>> Farz: It probably sounds very posh.
>> Taylor: So for whatever the reason, the. The Saron is charged with being in this duel. So him and Julie, they go from, like, Versailles area to Paris, and they made money doing fencing exhibitions. So she would still wear pants and dress like a man, and they would, like, go into a square and, like, pretend to sword fight. And people would give them money, like busking, you know, they, like, do a little thing. There is a rumor one time that people didn't believe she was a woman. And she took off her shirt, but I don't think. I don't know if that's true. This is like a fun rumor that people have. And also at this time, they were wanted by the Paris chief of police, so they had to keep hiding. And this is the first police force in Paris during this time. So they're starting to crack down on certain things, like the dueling, like, things that you shouldn't be doing.
>> Farz: Right.
>> Taylor: So also during this time, so her and her boyfriend Saran, on the run in Paris, doing sword fights, having a great time. And she discovers that she can sing, like, the opera. Just, like, discover she's naturally really, really good at it, which is cool.
>> Farz: Also, it's like 1700, 1600s, Paris. So she didn't sing in the shower. It was actually by accident.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I don't know how she figured that out, but she figured it out. Opera has not changed that much since the 1600s. So you can imagine what. What she sounded like. When I was researching this, I was thinking how annoying it would be if your partner was an opera singer. And then I was thinking about. I was like, God, I'm so glad I never dated anyone who's like, a musician or a singer. And then as I was saying that, I kept remembering that I've dated so many musicians and singers, and I was just, like, kind of laughing to myself. I was like. I blocked it out. And that's why I hate it so much, because it was like, it's in my bad memories.
>> Farz: It's understandable.
>> Taylor: So she can sing opera. She's really, really good at it. She joins the Opera de Marseilles with her maiden name and something. The man that she was with, Saran, they kind of break. They break up. There's. I don't know where he went. So now she's single again in the opera in. In Marseille. And she meets a young woman. I don't know her name, but there are historical, historical backups that, like, this happened. So she met a woman, they started dating, going out, their lovers or girlfriends. And her family's p*****. They're like, you can't be with a woman. And they send the other woman to a convent in Avignon. And Julie is like, no, I want to be with her. So she follows her and pretends to be a nun. But that sounds. You know, you can't. I mean, I'm sure there's a handful of nuns real.
>> Farz: Come on.
>> Taylor: This part is real. This part is real. So she goes to this convent with her girlfriend. They're like nuns together.
Julie and her girlfriend steal an old nun's body and burn it
Which I'm sure there are plenty of lesbian nuns together, but they're. They don't want to do it anymore. They want to run away. So this is the part that, like. Like, some facts happened, but, like, we don't know if all these facts happened, but at one point, Julie and her girlfriend are like, we want to get out of this convent. We just. We need to go back, you know, live a more exciting life. So an old nun dies, and they steal her body, and they put it in the girlfriend's room, and they set the room on fire. So the reason they were. They did that is so that if people who found the body in the room would think it was the girlfriend and think that she was dead and her and Julie could run away together, and they would never have any problems because they'd think that she was dead.
>> Farz: And this is the part you don't believe.
>> Taylor: Well, we're still missing an entire person. You know, like, if you take an old person's body and burn it, pretending it to be a young person, don't you think at some point someone's gonna be like, where'd that old lady go? I guess you're missing an entire.
>> Farz: I just assume record keeping was lax in those days, but.
>> Taylor: But it's not even record keeping. It's like, there was used to be a lady here, now she's not here. It's fair.
>> Farz: It's fair. This is all giving, like, Sister act vibes. That's why it's a little dubious, but.
>> Taylor: It's a little dubious. But there are records, court records, because she, Julie, was charged in absentia by the parliament with kidnapping, body snatching, arson, and failure to appear before court. And she was sentenced to death by burning. But they didn't have her. That was all in absentia. Like, she wasn't there. So this. There was like, this just, like, a warrant kind of out for her arrest for this thing. And it's interesting because they would charge men sometimes during this time for, like, homosexuality. But part of her charges here was just kidnapping and body snatching. Like, nothing to do with her sexuality. Although they did address her in the things as like, sir, because they. It was like a manly crime. So it's like kind of a. They're trying to figure it out too. But they're like, we're not gonna arrest. Like, we're not gonna charge her for also being gay during this.
>> Farz: It's so interesting because it's France, like, whatever.
>> Taylor: Well, no, you're exactly right, because the king's brother, Philippe Darling, was Openly gay at Versailles, you know, and if you watch the show Versailles, I think there's like, I don't know how many seasons there are, but the first episode is just like, oh, everyone here is gay. Like, it's just like, they're just like having a great time, you know, you're like, okay, well, they were doing it. But other places, like, you get in trouble for doing it.
>> Farz: Yeah, just the privilege. That's it.
>> Taylor: Yeah, exactly. So she gets back to Paris. Somehow her girlfriend gets taken back to her family. They don't see each other again. And Julie is only 16 now. So in the past two years, she buried the old guy, had a boyfriend, ran away and then did this thing, this like body snatching nun thing. And now she's back. So yes, that's my recap. Mistress with an older man, gets married to someone she never sees again. Runs away at the sword fighter, discovers she can sing, Runs away again to be a nun with her girlfriend, Burns a nun's body, has a death sentence for burning. And. And now she's in Paris dressing like a man to avoid being killed.
>> Farz: Yeah, she packed a lot in.
>> Taylor: Packed a lot in. So now at one point she's in a pub. This is when I wrote pub roadside in. Because wherever she is. And she meets a man who calls her like she's dressed like a man. And she meets a man who calls her basically like a sissy because she's a effeminate man, even though she's a woman and his name is Compte Albert. And she duels him and injures him because. But she helps him back to health and they become lovers briefly and then friends for the rest of their lives. Just like good friends after that. Like, how'd you meet? Oh, I. She sat me and he's like, girl, you should be singing and not going around dueling people in bars. Like, you're talented, don't do this, you're going to die. So she calls up her old boyfriend, the old man that she had been with who was her dad's Boss. And in 1689, he asks the king for a pardon for Julie. He says, she's young, she kidnapped a nun, but she never killed anyone. Like man like that body was like already dead and like all the things. So she gets a pardon at like 17 or 19, depending on the date of her birth. And she enters society in Paris and then she joins the Paris Opera and she obviously starts like dating, I'm going to say men and women in the show. Like people around. She's Like a part of society. She debut. Debuts in 1690. She's great. She's not the star of the show, but people really love her. And it's more. It's so fun to, like, go see someone in a play who possibly killed a nun. Like, that makes it more fun, you know, like, oh, she's a sword fighter. Maybe she killed a nun. Like, it's exciting. So people go, they see her. And there's a lot of opera history in this as well that I don't pretend to understand. I do. I have been to the opera several times, but it's a whole separate side quest on the opera. But one thing that was interesting is that her natural voice was deeper. So she sang at a mezzo soprano or contralto. I don't know what that means, but that kind of changed the female characters that she was able to play. So they're able to write operas with more, like, villains and, like, you know, evil queens and stuff.
She had this, like, cool, deep voice that could sing evil songs
She had this, like, cool, deep voice that could sing their evil songs, which is fun. So you're like, that sounds great. Why didn't she just stay there forever and be in the Paris Opera until for the rest of her life? Is the story over? It is not over, because something happens. I don't know what happens, but here's the rumor of what happens. In 1695, she definitely moves to Brussels under an assumed name. Like, that is true. She did that. She left Paris, moved to Brussels, was like, undercover, hiding from something. The rumor is that she went to a ball at Versailles dressed like a man and kissed a woman on the dance floor. And three men who were suitors of that woman got mad and she dueled all of them and killed all three. So it's very bad if that's true. Maybe it's partially true. There's another rumor of her dueling a male singer after he was mean to him at the opera. So she's, like, still dueling people. Maybe has killed one to three people. Like, for real killed people. But either way, she had to leave Paris for some reason that is real. So there's like, why? I don't know for sure, but I do know she had to leave. Does that make sense?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: So she goes to Brussels around 1696 and joins the opera there, where she hooks up with Maximilian II Emmanuel, the Elector of Bavaria. So he's like a government official, and so she's with him. And there's things like, she was so dramatic in the shows at one time, she actually stabbed herself, because that's what her like, character was supposed to do. And Maximiliano was like, this is a little bit too much for me. Like, I need you to leave Brussels. And he throws a bag of coins at her feet, and she doesn't take it, and she walks away. I think that you should always take the money. I just want to make that very clear.
>> Farz: Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah. You should definitely have the money.
>> Taylor: So, like, I read one thing that was like, maybe because she was so, like, irrational. So, like, maybe she really walked away and didn't take it. But I'm also like, she wasn't stupid. Like, take the money. That's dumb. So she leaves Brussels, goes to Madrid. There's another weird story where she works as a maid for a countess, and she, like, hated the countess, so she put radishes in the countess's rig wig to embarrass her at a party. I don't know if that's true. That's silly. They should put, like, a bunch of rashes in her. In 1698, she got another pardon and her exile was resolved. So you got other pardon for maybe killing those guys at Versailles? Maybe not. Whatever. Whatever it was that happened that made her leave, she got another pardon, went back to Paris, and rejoined the Opera. While she was in the opera, she was a leading lady from 1698 to 1705. And again, she was, like, super popular. Again, she was so mysterious. Like, she disappeared for a while. She's back. Some people said she had the most beautiful voice in the world. In the world. She got in a fight with someone on stage one time and bit their ear really hard. Not, like, off, but, like, bit their ear. So she's, like, very dramatic. People love seeing her. So while she's there, like, as an opera singer, she's like, late 20s, early early 30s. She meets a woman named Fanchon. Moreau. I want to go Moreau. And Moreau was also a. A opera singer. And they fell in love. And then. Oh, no, actually in this one, that woman rebuffed her advances. And so Julie attempted to die by suicide. But it didn't. Wasn't successful, and she, like, came back to the opera. There's just a lot of, again, opera history in there. She sang for the king at Versailles. Like, he obviously forgave her. He liked. She gets to go back to Versailles. Whether whatever happened or not, in 1703, Julie falls in love with a woman named Madame la Marquise de Florenc, a noblewoman who was also called. Who was called the most beautiful woman in France. So the most beautiful woman in France, and the woman with the most beautiful voice in the world. They lived together for two years. Just incredibly happy, they said. They dwelt in such affection they believed to be perfect. So they lived together, had a great time. And Madame la Marquise, she was someone who had. Was like. She also had her own scandals. Like, she at one time also fled to Brussels because the Dauphine wouldn't stop, like, talking to her, like, the guy who was going to be king. Like, she had to, like, get away from him, that kind of thing. So they had. They were really, really happy. And then in May 1705, there was an opera written specifically for Julie and her. That was her last performance because her girlfriend gets sick and she dies in July of 1705. And as soon as she died, Julie was just so upset that she retired from opera, and she kind of disappears. So some people think that she went back to her husband, who's that guy that she had been married to this entire time, who she barely knew when she married when she was 14, so she could have an affair with the other guy, or she went to a convent and was like, I'm gonna go back to a convent.
There is a play called Julie the Musical that is based on her life
I don't know why any nuns would trust her and let her into a convent. But either way, she died. We know she died in 1707, but we don't know how. Probably just because of the horrors of being alive. But she died when she was 33 ish, depending on how old you think that she really was. But after her girlfriend died, she never.
>> Farz: Went back to opera, so she packed a lot in. And she also makes me think that Arya Stark was based on her. Well, maybe it's like, there's so many overlaps here.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: The crazy decisions, the murders, the everything.
>> Taylor: Like the in and out of good graces of everyone.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. Wild, wild story.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Well, the historical figure. And there is a play called Julie the Musical that came out in 2022 that is based on her life.
>> Taylor: Oh, fun. A lot of fun sword fighting in there.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah, looks like it does pretty good. Won some awards. Sweet. Wait, so how did you find out about this?
>> Taylor: A couple people asked me about it. They just forwarded me a couple things and were like, have you heard of this bisexual queen? And I was like, I have. Not badass women, so that'd be fun.
>> Farz: Very, very fun. It's a shame that with folks in history that. That back in time, there's, like, really no good pictures of them. You want to be able to put a face to a name and, like, I'M looking at.
>> Taylor: I know we're, like, almost there. Because if you look at, like, if you click to like her, that first man that she had been with, if you click on him, he, the. The Gumpti Armagnac, he, you can see a painting of him that I feel like I get what he looks like, you know, but that's because he had a higher status. So we have those better paintings of him.
>> Farz: Yeah. You know, which also looked at that and was like, why did everybody look the same? They all had this derpy look in their face.
>> Taylor: They're all French.
>> Farz: Yeah, I guess. Sweet. Well, thank you for sharing.
Morgan and Nadine disagree on whether coconuts are good
Do you have anything to read out?
>> Taylor: I do. We are at a stalemate on whether or not coconuts are good. It is two to two. It is me and Morgan against you and Nadine. So thank you, Morgan and Nadine, for both immediately messaging me and telling me that I was either right or wrong about coconuts.
>> Farz: Can Juan be the tiebreaker?
>> Taylor: No, because I think he likes them.
>> Farz: You are so offsides on this one.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Let us know how you feel about coconuts, the raw ones
So let us know how you feel about coconuts, the raw ones. Doom. Developod Gmail.com and what do you mean, the raw ones?
>> Farz: When have you had a cooked coconut?
>> Taylor: I mean, flavor and like, a curry, you know, like that I like. Oh, yeah, I assume that's made out of a coconut.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, like, I don't mind. Like, I will drink a pina colada.
>> Farz: You don't like the white flesh when you, like, peel it?
>> Taylor: That's what I mean. Yeah.
>> Farz: You don't like that?
>> Taylor: That's what, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I do not like so good.
>> Farz: I'd be totally fine being on a deserted island with full of coconut trees because, like, it's a perfect food. Like, it's got liquid in it. It will hydrate you, it'll give you electrolytes, and then you can eat the meat, and then you feel satiated.
>> Taylor: I know we've all seen Moana.
>> Farz: I've never seen Moana.
>> Taylor: Okay, well, everyone else has seen Moana.
>> Farz: Everyone else has seen Moana.
>> Taylor: And we know that the coconuts give them all they need.
>> Farz: There you go.
>> Taylor: And they love the coconuts.
>> Farz: Write to us@duneifflepotatmail.com if you are pro coconut or anti coconut, which. If you're anti coconut.
>> Taylor: But then the question is also, do you like the flavor? Because, like, I, I. The flavor of coconuts and like, a pina colada, like, how real coconut is that? Like, I love, like, a banana runt, but I know a banana runt doesn't taste like a banana.
>> Farz: When's the last time you had a coconut?
>> Taylor: Like, literally six months ago. Miles and Juan got them from a guy on the side of the road.
>> Farz: Okay, so Miles is on my side, too.
>> Taylor: I don't know how many he ate. I'll ask him.
>> Farz: So you're trying to rig this game because you're, like, trying to limit the. The amount of voices we're hearing from.
>> Taylor: I just think we should open up our pool, people. Not just my family. Fair?
>> Farz: Fair. Sweet. Anything else, Taylor?
>> Taylor: That's it. Thank you. Find us everywhere that you go to socials and listen? Not doom. Defellpod. Please tell your friends.
>> Farz: That'll do it. We'll go ahead and cut things off.