Join us this week for the haunting story of the 1922 murders at the Hinterkaifeck Farm. The family heard noises & saw mysterious footprints leading up to their murders. Whoever killed them made themselves at home for a few days, cooking meals, feeding the animals, and taking their time to get out of dodge. This remains Germany’s most famous unsolved murder 101 years later. We also go over the rollercoaster life of Grady Stiles, the “Lobster Boy” born into a world of Side Shows just as they were petering out of public acceptance. A violent alcoholic who murdered – and also was murdered. It’s a wild ride through the history of the ‘Freak Show’ to the family that is still alive today (and it’s Farz who takes us on this journey!) https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod
Join us this week for the haunting story of the 1922 murders at the Hinterkaifeck Farm. The family heard noises & saw mysterious footprints leading up to their murders. Whoever killed them made themselves at home for a few days, cooking meals, feeding the animals, and taking their time to get out of dodge. This remains Germany’s most famous unsolved murder 101 years later.
We also go over the rollercoaster life of Grady Stiles, the “Lobster Boy” born into a world of Side Shows just as they were petering out of public acceptance. A violent alcoholic who murdered – and also was murdered. It’s a wild ride through the history of the ‘Freak Show’ to the family that is still alive today (and it’s Farz who takes us on this journey!)
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Some Sources
So for this episode I went to wikipedia of course, hinterkaifeck.net, an episode of Lore, and the podcast The Midnight Train oh and also I read the book The Man from the train - which will come in later.
https://curiouscaseof.com/the-hinterkaifeck-murders/
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what happened with the Cubs team yes we did great did they win today we don't
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keep score so no but nobody great A lot of them hit the ball I pitched to them a
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lot of them hit it one girl freaking scream cries the entire time so she screamed cried the whole time but you
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know other than that I think it was fine they had fun the kids have fun yeah okay
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the kiss have fun they had a good time and then Florence had a game after her and she did really well she got a hit I
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think they typed so it was good yeah now we're home it's a disaster one's in New York so what's she doing
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New York visiting friends we're gonna do like a dude trip yeah that's fun yeah and then what are you
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gonna do you're gonna put the kids down and bust out the wine or what's the game plan I hope so we are painting so I'm
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painting like I took everything out of my closet and I'm painting the whole inside of my closet and should we go
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cameras off because your parents internet is terrible sorry I can't even I can't tell
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everything so um hopefully that's better okay let's try that yeah so we yeah we are painting
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like a hallway and the doors and the hole inside of the closet so it's like a lot of work but it's good because everything's a mess because I take
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everything out of the closets nice so we're having a good time we're gonna go get sushi after this we're gonna get like one sushi roll and then like a
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bunch of edamame and some rice that's how we do sushi Joshua Joshua
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Tree Sushi it's good so here's the thing all Sushi
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has to be frozen before it gets to the restaurant in the United States anyway okay so proximity to an ocean doesn't
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actually impact anything it does not no okay all right well there you go yeah lunch menu every day sweet I
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didn't go I didn't go until I learned that but once I did learn that I was like oh okay so you're not gonna go so
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I'm not crazy like this was a chair sentiment okay good yeah yeah cool well
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should we kick things off yeah well welcome to Doom to fail the podcast where we discuss two relationships that
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were about flaggy and doom the failed one historic One True Crime I'm far is joined here by Taylor hi Taylor and we
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okay so hold on I think I know this time this time you go first I do
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got it for a change okay so we'll go ahead and discuss our drinks I guess I'm
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gonna go first so this is going to be a bit of a flashback to last week because it's also going to include Guinness
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and it's also going to include sambuca so it's sambuca poured into a pint glass
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full by super super slow pour of Guinness down the side like a trickles on the side so the sambuca floats on the
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Guinness at the end of all this it's real
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there's a name for it but if I told you the name you would know what I'm doing so I'm not going to tell you the name I'll say the name when I get to my story
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okay that's exciting I like sambuca I like a I like like a aperitif
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UL hey I remember you know I remember vaguely a thing where don't you like
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light sambuca and then do a helicopter thing and then shoot it is that a thing
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no what's the helicopter thing because yeah like you like the sambucan
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fire then you put your hand on top of the fire
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on top of the shot glass and then that extinguishes the fire and then the glass
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adheres to you because of the vacuum it creates to your hand so you can lift the whole thing up on the palm of your hand
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and then you're supposed to like wave it around your head to show that it's like really adhering and then you take it off and then shoot it I think you're gonna
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do a lot of research before you try that yeah yeah that sounds very dangerous I might
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have to edit that out I we cannot take off my ability right now I don't I don't
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yeah no I don't recommend that I mean even if it's something that people can do I'm gonna say go do it yeah yeah fair
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enough we'll we'll do some research and get back to you on this amazing amazing well I can't okay well next time we're
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together let's definitely figure out how to do that oh yeah how do we do that we forget Guinness tap okay we'll figure it
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out cool that sounds weirdly delicious and semi-dangerous okay so I go first
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and I'm gonna do an old tiny story and I'm drinking Beck's the German beer
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because have you seen Beer Fest oh my God I love beer fest so remember when
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they're like trying to name German beers and they're like yes no that's I think about that all the
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time so that's why if I'm like what's a German beer I'm like
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they are so hard to find so okay wait so that's right we're in Germany my my
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favorite part of that movie was when the Indian guy when they're done drinking that first night
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he wakes up and he's he's cuddling a dead deer just like covered in blood yes
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so good so yeah yeah so good I love how that one guy dies and
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then his twin comes and you forget that he's dead I know incredible landfill oh
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my God it's so good oh my gosh they did so they're so hit or miss a broken lizard that troop like we watched the
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the the Tacoma FD show where they're like in the fire department is great we watched that but then like they have a
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new one called quasi about Quasimodo and it's like so bad I barely watched it like um it
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was a struggle I think our taste also changes a little
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bit yes I guess but I feel like they're like I didn't like slime and salmon but I like like Club dread and I like puddle
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Cruiser anyway anyway and I saw them live and it wasn't very good and that was like 15 years ago super stripper
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Super Trooper how incredible super two is another one that's better than the first one okay anyway freaking backs
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also oh okay I'll do a little more another throwback to beer fest in a minute so
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it's I was thinking last week it was super cute that you think the Black Dahlia is out of scope because we have
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no scope so you could definitely have done that if you had wanted to you can definitely do it in the future
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and I also think it's cute that you think she was found under the Hollywood Sign because she was not so I just wanted to make that clear that like I
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knew that you were wrong I didn't say anything well it was on the it was in the
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mountains uh or whatever you know it was in a park about 30 minutes away no it was like in the city oh my God okay
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it was not in the mountains I'm so sorry listeners yeah people were screening the cars
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Across America and the world if I cause any road rage accidents please forgive
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me so okay so that reminds so I'll say that for you you can do the black Dolly later if you want to I do think there's
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something about a redhead cop in there that she may have had a relationship with that you could explore so I think that could be in this but that reminded
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me of my favorite murder which is the hunter kaifek murders have you heard of those oh
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okay and you said backs is oh my God this is the creepy one right this is a
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super scare oh okay super scary yeah which is why it's my favorite yeah
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so let's do it love it okay awesome so it has and there are some relationships in it some like pretty bad ones so I
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think they're all kind of attributed to to what happened so the sound bites are when we get so fascinating like I'll go
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a little bit more into detail in like later but first let me just tell you the creepy part so on April 4th 1922 after a
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few days of no one seeing the owners of hinter kaifek which is a farm a neighbor went over to investigate in the barn he
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found four bodies stacked in the hay they were the bodies of Andreas Gruber 63. his wife Celia Gruber 72 their
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daughter Victoria Gabriel 35 and her daughter casselia Gabriel seven
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they have been lured and attacked one by one they'd be um killed by a pickaxe so
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like a big acts like a flat side and a pointy side and in the head little kazilia the
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seven-year-old girl when they found her body a lot of her hair had been pulled out so the police think that she was
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laying there dying for several hours pulling out her hair like in eggity in
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confusion inside the house where the bodies of the maid Maria Baumgartner she's 44 and the
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baby's Joseph who was two they had been dead since March 31st so for about five days it had taken a while for the town
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to notice because the fire was on and the animals were fed someone was living in the farm so it looked like someone
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was living there like the animals weren't crying they were well fed the dogs weren't barking they were taken care of the the you know the fires were
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on so that people thought someone was there so someone had been living there like with the dead bodies for several days after
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prior to it's still creepy prior to the murders the former maid so it was
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actually Maria baumgartner's first day which is like the worst first day of
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work ever as they get murdered on the job but it was her first day poor thing the former maid had quit because she had
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heard Footsteps in the attic and she thought that the house was haunted so she was like I'm out of here so also
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like Andreas the the dad is a jerk so that could have contributed it as well but she said that she heard
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noises in the attic and it scared her enough that she left Andreas the the dad he also told people
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in town that he saw footprints in the snow going into one of the barns where the door had been broken but none
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leaving so yeah yeah that's what I remember yeah you know so everything I read was like
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dramatically different facts about this so I just like picked my favorite because like I don't know but one thing
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did say that there were two sets of footprints in the snow which would like change who you think might think it might be but there was definitely one
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set of footprints in the snow leading towards one of the buildings but none leading out so that's scary yeah yeah it
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actually so Taylor like it reminds me of um your mind so there was we we had one
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of those in the U.S too if you remember like it was a it was this family that went into this cabin I'd want to say it
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was somewhere in California and there was like separate cabins and all every every was dead it was like
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nobody knows how it happened and there was like Footprints and it was the exact
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same story except like in the US whatever I'm sidetracking your story but like no absolutely it's so scary it's so
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scary Andreas had also told people in town that he found a newspaper from Munich on its property Munich is about
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40 miles away from Hunter Cafe and he didn't subscribe to this newspaper nobody in
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town had brought one in so there was like a newspaper that he could not identify that he found in his property so that was weird you know yeah
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after the murders cigarettes were found in the Attic as well as the attic had like a trap door a
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false floor with like a little compartment in it and that's eventually where the murder weapon was found it was like they found the bloody ax in the
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Attic underneath the floorboards so whoever it was definitely went back up to the attic and hid it in there so like
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that's a scary story someone living in my attic is like the scariest [ __ ] thing I could possibly think of it's
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like parasite yeah oh my God it's so freaking scary like I feel like there's
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been like dozens of like Lifetime movies and stories of just like you know someone's like watching you through the
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vents or you know just like having someone up there and also like funny that like it must it's like 1922 so it
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must have been so Smoky that you wouldn't notice someone smoking in your attic yeah kind of Let It Go but but
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yeah it's so scary like the footprints are so scary the idea that like they killed the baby you know they lived in
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the house with the dead bodies like they cleaned up after themselves they took care of it like they were living there you know
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Taylor have you seen them have you seen the open house on Netflix is that what yes yes I think so that's
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just like the story look in the basement or something yeah yeah
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living there and nobody knew I mean that was fictional it's scary that it's real but whatever same story Concepts it's so
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scary I've also seen things in like New York City where like somebody had someone living in like his crawl space
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like in his apartment and she would like come out at night and like pee in the sink so wild okay so that's like the gist of
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it that's what makes it so fascinating to me I think the whole thing is like so scary but I want to go look to a little bit more into detail so I went to
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Wikipedia of course there's a hittercafec.net I was I watched an episode of lore so lore is a podcast and
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they have two seasons of show on Amazon where they like act out the stories I think like they're all really different
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because they're all different stories but in the one about Hydra Kai effect the dad Andre is is played by the grand
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Papa from beer fest oh nice it's best um I love when he goes what does the
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Grand Papa that guy also um played Arnold Schwarzenegger and Arnold Schwarzenegger made for TV movie
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oh that totally makes sense right because then he was in like a bunch of like he was in the original Dune like
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he's like a very famous actor okay I'm giving him no justice but yeah yeah I'm like I'm like oh the grandpa from beer fest but you know what I mean he's in
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this lore another another uh the woman who played the maid in that episode of lore is in dark do you ever watch dark
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it was also really good in German and Netflix it's like really creepy and good um so anyway some good German actors um
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I listened to about podcast the midnight train but I also read the book The Man from the train which will come in later
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so a rather a long time ago but it kind of ties back to this so I'm gonna kind of go through it again
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but a little bit more in detail um so hinder Cafe was a farm behind the town of kayak in Germany Hunter means
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behind so just like near Cafe it was uh 43 miles north of Munich it
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was built around 1863. it had several buildings it wasn't just like the house there was a main house which had a
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basement um for like food storage and then that attic a stable a barn a machine house a
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bakery slash laundry a coach house and a well so it's also a time when like there's no indoor plumbing so like you're you know your your kitchen is
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usually separate from the house and you know your you know laundry is separate from the house and it was a farm where
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like people could buy like milk from them they could probably buy like meat from them and they had like vegetables
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and stuff it's like a farming Compound on the lore show they do a really good job of showing you just like it feels
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isolated and it's really [ __ ] cold it's like snowing you know like everyone's freezing they just have candles and like shawls so
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political really it felt very isolated but it wasn't like super isolated you could walk to town there were some
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neighbors that were like pretty close and it also was right by the train tracks so you could also always hear the
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train going by the Gruber family lived on the farm so it's Andreas kazilia
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Victoria and then the two children One Source said that like Victoria was the owner of the farm the 35 year old with
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her husband but I don't I don't know where that came from it could have been that Andreas owned the farm from his
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first wife's family because he was a widower and then married castilia she was like 10 years older than him so that
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could be how he got it but there's like a bunch of different stories about how we have gotten it also just for the record Victoria the daughter she was
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married to a man named Carl Gabriel he died in World War One in France and his body was never found he is the father of
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casselia the seven-year-old yeah so the undisputable fact of the story is that Andreas was awful he was like a bully
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and a jerk he was awful to his family the people in town didn't like him he was abusive and one thing to note is
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Joseph the two-year-old boy was not the son of Victoria's husband the the one who died in the war his parentage is in
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question so in 1915 Andreas and Doc and Victoria his daughter were convicted of having an
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incestuous relationship between 1907 and 1910 like it went to court I don't know like how that works
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exactly but he got a year in prison and she got a month in prison for that so like he definitely had raped his
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daughter you know definitely abused her for a long time it was like 10 years before this we definitely did it how did
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you go why is it rape the punishment why is it incest
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right that's a good point it was not it wasn't like but they were accused of having an incestuous relationship which
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feels like that makes it sound like she was cool with it there's no way she was cool with it you know light seems like
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yeah dumb yeah good point he should be charged with with like raping a family member
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but there's also another person I think that Joseph might have been Joseph's father the neighbor Lawrence limbaugher
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he was married to someone else but he was having an affair with Victoria like everybody knew that they were having an affair so he could have been Joseph Sam
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as well so it could have been like either of those they don't really know who his parent who his father was but other than that terrible thing is
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business as usual at the farm the family kind of goes in and out of town people see them all the time they get their
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mail they have coffee delivery on the way there's someone coming to fix a tractor so there's no indication that
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like anything bad is going to happen I can also mention you know the former maid quit she said the house was haunted
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the new maid Maria Baumgardner came with her sister on March 31st 1922. her
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sister stayed for a little bit and then left her sister there and she was the last person to see the family alive in
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the middle of the night somebody lured the family meet one by one into the barn and murdered them so I feel like
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sorry can you pause there real quick is that really what people think happened yes so here they did a couple
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they did some tests like what can you hear from the house from the barn can you hear someone screaming from and you
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couldn't that that they didn't think that happened but in the lore show which I think kind of made might make sense is
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like the dad went out first to like milk the cow or whatever and then the person
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killed him dropped his body in the barn and then like let the cow out you know
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so everybody else would be like oh [ __ ] the cow's out what the [ __ ] is he doing and then go and like bring the cow back
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and they end up in the barn you know it just sounds it just sounds very much like people walking down the
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basement steps in a horror movie well yeah but also like what reference
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like what would make them I guess maybe because they were afraid that the house was haunted or whatever like someone was
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there but like I don't know how like how actually scared they were of like something weird happening but I also feel like you're so freaking tired
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you've worked on your farm all day you know you have to yeah it's like late so
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and it's snowing and like it's cold and you're just like oh the barn door is open again damn it and you go out there
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and check it and then you like see a dead body and all sudden you're killed too you know so I don't think it'd be
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like that hard I guess I guess that's true you know and it would make sense that the maid didn't go out because she
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wouldn't know to do that because it was her first day and the baby obviously is a baby so huge suicide everybody else
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went I don't know I think that I think that checks out to me I don't know no one knows they left the
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bodies stacked like cordwood it almost says Catholic cord wood which I'd only hear in this just like Pat them stacked like wood they were stacked and
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understood hey the murderer then went back into the house killed Maria again it was her first freaking day and then
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he killed the baby which is terrible like he killed the baby in its little crib um and it stayed for a few days they fed the animals made food cleaned up people
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weren't too worried because they saw the smoke and then on April 1st which is the next day some coffee sellers named Hans
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and Edward arrived to take an order they walked around didn't see anyone they saw the machine house was open but the key
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had been broken for a while so they weren't like they knew that and they just left they didn't see anyone thought that was kind of weird a man during this
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time also a man named Michael happened to pass by he said that he saw that the
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oven was on he saw the smoke and when he kind of walked by he saw a person outside and that person like pointed a
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lantern at him in a way that like he couldn't see who they were and then he kind of like ran away because he was scared so he saw someone he doesn't know
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who it was that's also very creepy I know when so this reminds me a couple a
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long time ago miles was just a baby I was sitting on the couch in our La apartment and I was feet I was like
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breastfeeding my eyes I couldn't move and Florence wasn't there too one was in the kitchen and someone tried to open her door and I was like one oh my God
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it's one came running and then like they had open neighbors or two and they left and it was this old couple I think they had found like a big ring of like male
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Keys like the postman would have and like tried to open up people's doors but I was like we were very clearly home and they tried to open up our door and then
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afterwards like one in our neighbor to call the police and the police were like this we found him let's see if you know
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who he is so they took them to a place and they just had the guy stand in front of the clap car and they'd like shown the lights in his face and he couldn't
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see them but they could see him wait they didn't see him like they could see that they could see the man who tried to
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break into our house but the man couldn't see one oh well that's good yeah yeah you know yeah
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y'all saw his face like y'all had no you knew that that was the guy
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very clearly home it was really weird and scary wow okay yeah and then in the end the police officers were like
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where's gonna drive him to Hollywood and let him out and hopefully he doesn't come back that's not a good point job LAPD I know
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perfect perfect response to that um so someone else saw two people no
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there's some like suspicious things happening so because you only had a little girl was out of school for a couple days family didn't go to church
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on Sunday so people started to like get suspicious like where are they we haven't seen them in a while uh April
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4th a dude named Albert Hoffner came to repair an engine like he knew that he was supposed to go on like repair this
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machine in the machine house he didn't see anyone there I kind of walked around knocked on the doors was like what's going on he ended
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up going into the barn I'm not the barn the machine I was like a different uh building and spending four hours fixing
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the tractor or whatever it was and while he was there it he said that we got out of the barn some things were different
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like someone had like kind of cleaned up a little bit after he had done that so it sounds like the person or persons who
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was in the house left during the time that he was in the barn like he was in the machine house fixing the tractor
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so it's interesting how tidy this guy was I know it just kept cleaning up but
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before like the blood people I mean he's a nice house guest absent The Killing part yeah yeah totally I've had the
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animals all the whole thing he is possible that Albert's presence made the um made the guy leave later in the day
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the neighbor Lauren still Empower who's possibly the dad of Joseph sent his son to see if anybody was there because he
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was like it's weird to have an answer to the door the kids came back and said we can't find anybody so Laura's went back
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with another some grown-ups and thank God the kids didn't find the body as the grown-ups did they found them in the
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barn and in the house so they're the ones who are the first people to find to them the police are called and then here
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are the list of suspects and again like we'll never know who actually did it but here's what people think about it Lorenz
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is a big suspect obviously he's possibly the father of Joseph he 100 had an
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affair with Victoria he also was super weird and did some like weird things so when he got there he like tried to move
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the bodies around to like see them better or something so he just like touched all of the crime scene like a
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lot this during this time you could use fingerprints like fingerprints were had
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been invented as like a way to to solve crimes but they didn't do it in this case for whatever reason they didn't take fingerprints he also like Lawrence
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had a alibi for the night of the murders but I think he's pretty suspicious like he he was the one who ended up finding
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the murder weapon in the Attic being like Oh it's here I just tripped over it you know like okay not suspicious and he
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also you know because of the kid like he you know maybe was mad at Andreas for what he had done to Victoria maybe he
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didn't want to pay child support for yourself like who knows and he'll also like live really close so he could have
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definitely like had the like proximity to do it but um also because he lived so
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close like he wasn't really nice to hang out there so that I think is weird and before he died he died in 1941 he did
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win some a bunch of several civil claims for slander against people who called him the murderer of hinter Kai fix so
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maybe he didn't do it I also I also don't want him to have done it because it's much scarier to think of someone
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who had no motivation who just blew in from out of town and did that that's so much freakier than like yeah here's all
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the logical reasons why this guy would do it 100 that's definitely like way more scary a couple other people Carl
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some people think that Carl Gabriel did not die in World War one and he came back and he did it so he got home and
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hit the kai fact was like huh my wife has a son who's two I've been gone for three years you know it's math got super
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upset and killed everybody and then just disappeared into the wind so that's a I mean there's no evidence
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for that but some people think that there's another man who named Severin who was a um a former lover of
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Victoria's I think he could have done it there's a man named Peter Weber who was
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talking to a friend and saying like I've done some work at hinder kaifek they
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have a lot of money we should go back there and we should steal all their money and kill them which is exactly the
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plot of In Cold Blood have you heard that no I've not read that but I saw the movie Capote Taylor the universal answer
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the question of have I read that is no I've seen movies of anything it's like but I feel
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like if you've got to read the ad book you should read in Cold Blood I know I know it's so scary I remember reading it
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and being like I am so scared I felt like in friends when Julie put the book in the freezer like I felt like I wanted to do that like I was like this is so
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scary you know I've heard that a lot I've heard that a lot but you are also like a super Avid Reader and you had
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that exact same reaction to that old lady scene in it when you read that and you threw your book I did though thank
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you for bringing that that was very specific I did throw my book when I read the old lady scene in it because it was so scary I was at it I was at a
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restaurant okay so yes so a lot of people could have done it everyone hated Andrea started a bunch of Brothers people suspect so there's like two
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brothers called the gump brothers and they think that they that they might have done it but they there's no really
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not sort of evidence for them there's a woman named Teresa in 1971 she said that when she was 12 her mother got visited
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by two brothers in Carl and Andreas and she said that they had done they had confessed to the mother in front of her
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when she was 12 and they did it but that also feels really weird I don't think that they that seems like very suspicious and that lady just wanted to
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get some attention there's also another pair of brothers called the
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bickler brothers and their friend Georg they you know repeatedly said that the family should be dead so you know saying
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that out loud you probably shouldn't do that so they think that maybe they did it you know the three of them did it
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together um but there's no proof to that the only thing that is like maybe leans in that
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direction is like the family dog hated everyone except these guys for some reason so they like knew the family so
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the dog might have been calm when they came over and never barked when they were like sneaking around so like that
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could have been it and then also this is super weird the maid the original maid
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she said in addition to hearing this Footsteps in the Attic she used to talk to someone outside of her window and she
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thought it was one of these guys and these guys were like it wasn't us what
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I know this does not sound like somebody of sound mind or it sounds like a
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complete liar is what it sounds like I mean like could you imagine something like hello far as I started a window
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don't look at my face if I heard your voice it would scare the
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shadow me oh my God I know like what's going on like what's
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happened like there's something going oh man that sounds like that sounds like it's like one of those like Japanese
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horror movies like The Love Like multiple levels up scary yeah it's so scary so like that is such
28:24
a weird story so like I don't know maybe it was maybe it was them moving around but just like I don't know why I don't
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know I also like who the [ __ ] was it made talking to like I don't I don't know was it anyone
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so that's terrifying other brothers a lot of a lot of people that were like investigated but no one was ever
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convicted the last thing and this is what I think you were talking about is like the
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actual scariest thing is maybe it was someone they didn't know you know maybe it's someone who just like
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suck around and sit in the attic for a little bit and then kill them and then left um because they just wanted to kill
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people this is this theory is in the book The Man from the train which I actually I did read also and it's about
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the man who did the remember the Visalia ax murderers no it sounds familiar but I
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don't remember it so I'm gonna see maybe I'm saying that wrong it's uh v-i-l-l-i-s-c-a so fazilka ax murders
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those are on June 10th 1912. so it was a in vasilka Iowa there were a family
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lived in this like Farmhouse and there were I think six people in the family and then two little girls were just like
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spending the night having a sleepover and they were all murdered with an ax they were um all of the mirrors in the
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house were covered when people finally found them which is so scary so all the mirrors were covered
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all of the um all of the bodies were like kind of like just like scattered around the house the guy definitely like
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masturbated over the bodies particularly of the little girl so there's like a real bad guy but so that's like one of
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the scariest [ __ ] stories and so in this book The Man from the Train the author Bill James he
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you know talks about how there's a bunch of other crimes that are very very similar to that one and they all occur in like really close proximity to a
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train as someone like going in and like murdering a family and leaving just because he like wants to to murder
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people I thought it was scary I think this was like okay and I think it was great I wish it had been better but oh
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wait there's other not Wikipedia says it was 1897 so it can't be true no it was in 1912. anyway I feel like
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now there's so much wrong information on the internet so much so much conflicting stuff like I with my story what I'm
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going to go through I'm like I you could fact ship me on like 50 points here and you're gonna pull different sources for
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all of them so I mean maybe it's because I'm like researching things more than I ever have but I'm like what the hell yeah I was like asking I was like
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yesterday I tried to ask Bard for facts because I was like oh I've never used Bard like I may just asking a question and it was like very wrong like totally
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wrong and I was like that's wrong and it was like I'm learning and I was like what why don't don't trust Bard but
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anyway so in the man from the train I think it was in 1912 when you killed that that like family in Iowa that you can stay at that house also BTW it's a
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um like a bed and breakfast which is terrible so he you know he would kill people he wouldn't Rob them he just
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wanted to kill people the scariest thing that happened in that book that I remember is that the one thing that the author says is
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like people were always like there was a really creaky Step at that on that at that house so like how could he have
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killed everybody upstairs and kill everybody downstairs without everybody hearing you know like there's just like
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no way he could like suck around the house and kill people like we were saying with like the defense like you can't shoot everybody without anybody
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else waking up but the author was like he didn't tiptoe up the stairs he ran up
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the stairs and killed everybody you know he just like did it so fast that no one had time to react which I think is
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terrifying and makes sense yeah so sure you'd see both I I think that we're over
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emphasizing like a creek on a stairs in the wake up like if you have a family if you have people in your house we're gonna be walking over downstairs like
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they want to go down and guess like you're gonna hear [ __ ] it's like yeah that's a house settling I hear [ __ ] all the time my house and it's somewhat
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terrifying sometimes yes but I don't have you you want to check your attic are you busy no Taylor one one time I
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might as well just one time it was like the first night I moved into the new house and Luna wasn't with me which like
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is extra creepy because I don't know what happened in that house during somebody was killed that I don't have no idea and I'm in my room um I'm dead
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asleep and I basically hear the girl from The Ring just screaming outside my
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bedroom window what and I'm like well like I my every hair I have like stood
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up on hand it was the most terrible middle of night like three four o'clock then in the morning and I told somebody
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about this like a few nights later I was like I heard this sound was a scary thing over her and then they played for
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me Fox is howling on YouTube boxes have the most terrifying how I've
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ever heard of my childhood when we're done recording when we're done all with all this stuff go listen to it if you ever hear that sound you will literally
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think that like that woman is crawling out of your TV to come into your room and kill you and it is just a fox so
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anyways I'm sorry I figured it out no yeah and also guy didn't talk to you just like yelled that's so scary in
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college one time my my shampoo fell off my like thing into my bathtub in the middle of the night and I've never ever
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scared of my life it was like a huge bang you know so this author thinks that the man from
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the train is a man named Paul Paul Mueller Paul Mueller was a German immigrant in in America and he was like
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a vagrant you know on trains all the time and he there's like evidence that he was in the places where a lot of
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people were killed so that's the person that he thinks it is but Paul Mueller also disappears the ax murderers in
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America stop after like a certain amount of time so he thinks that Paul Mueller
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went back to Germany and he did the kindergartic murders because the timing could technically
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work out because also because he was German so he would like he could leave America go back London to Germany and he
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would obviously literally never be found you know so that's what uh that's what
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the author of The Man from the train thinks I don't know there was a in 20
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2007 15 students at the police academy in this is hilarious okay so and I took
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a lot of German but the police academy is called policy and the place that they are from is
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furin feldbrook no fearston felbrook one word first of all book okay so they
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examined the case using modern criminal techniques they confirmed that they know who it is using the forensics and what
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they had and all these things but they won't say who they think it is because they don't want his family to in
34:56
consideration of his descendants which is super dumb that is yeah that's really gracious my grandpa was the ax murderer
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give me a break we have to tell people so the Gruber family was buried in whitehofen cemetery near there they were
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buried without their heads because their skulls have been sent to a psychic to try to identify the Killer medicine
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she said I don't know why she did their heads she said that uh the murders have been committed by two people and that
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the murder weapon was still on the property which is true because they actually didn't find the weapon until
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they were demolishing it so that part was true so maybe it was two people I don't know 70 rates of R the skulls
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were kept in the Justice Justice building and house in augustburg Germany and they were destroyed by bombing
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during World War II so I'm pretty sure ball um in 1923 just a
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year later Hendrick Farm was demolished so you can't go there anymore you can't visit it it's kind of even not clear exactly where the buildings were
35:57
probably because people were going there and you know being weird and creepy and trying to see what was up and scaring
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each other so they demolished the whole thing and then you know kind of folds into World War II and a bunch of other
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stuff happened so it was all kind of ruined but it's a mystery and it will be a mystery forever which is exciting and
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so scary just the idea of a murderer in your attic I think the um okay so I'm
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going to be quoting Heath ledgers the Joker in this it is the unpredictability
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of it that makes it terrifying that's why the whole lack of motivation part is like as a Horror Story it is much better
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to have no motivation and just assume that there's some psycho out there who's just knocking on doors seeing what's
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open I'm gonna go but like also it makes you wonder why someone would do that
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anyways if they were living there for that long well we don't know how when they were living there but the May the
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earlier made said that she thought the house was haunted which like maybe it was or it was this person you know that
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she was picking up on so if you're just living comfortably there anyways then who cares like just like why what was
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what was the added motivation and killing them how are they being crazy other than being crazy and I think that
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like I mean if it was so the red the relationship part is like if it was the
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Lauren's the neighbor slash possible father of the boy then like it's because you know he didn't want to play child
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support for this like a fair baby that he had and that's why he did it other people like some of their motivation
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from these like groups of Brothers is like they were so mad and grossed out by the incest that they thought that the
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family should die so yeah both of those things are like red flaggy like that is the thing that
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like ultimately might have been the thing but it also might have been just [ __ ] a guy who found their house and
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wanted to kill them which is I think the most fun slash scariest answer yeah yeah is there are there any
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movies on this did you see any of any media profiles there are some movies that I haven't I didn't watch I think
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there's there's one oh there's one that got bad reviews but it's like a horror movie of someone who like went there but it's like a not about the murders it's
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about like someone going there and investigate the murders anyways it doesn't look as good but the episode of lore is on Amazon Prime and it's about
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an hour long and they it's pretty good they go through like they kind of like layer on top of the different scenarios
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of what they think might have happened so like the different people that they they think it might be and they show
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them each doing it being like oh maybe it was like the um the husband coming back from from the war and he you know
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he was saw the family was upset or maybe was the neighbor or whatever so it doesn't it mentions The Stranger but it
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doesn't like do that but it does look good okay just watch it anyway but at the beginning of it it does show like
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the mailman coming and being like huh like kind of looking around and they have like the murderer they you only see like his bottom half but he's like
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holding the ax behind the door and the mailman's like talking on it which is fun because that's really [ __ ] scary for that mailman yeah yeah wow yeah
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yeah what a crazy there's um there should be some compilation of all these deaths that are incredibly incredibly
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mysterious like I do remember that cabin death I'm gonna be sure sadly I'll send you information on it but it was like the exact same story but it's like
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family was on these different cabins on the woods all together and then like all
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of them died and acts of death nobody has any idea what happened to him it's just like that's it's just like chills
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like again like the 80s happened to Girl Scout camp there was like Girl Scout
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camp cabins and the cabin that was furthest away the girls all got murdered also I'm going to Girl Scout camp in a
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few weeks so I will probably die afraid I don't know why I brought that up because I'm about to go to girls like
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camp when I was flying across the Atlantic I was just thinking about how you were
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referencing that Malaysian flight that just disintegrated over the years
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that has a documentary about it and it's a [ __ ] mystery the documentary does not have any answers it's real scary
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so I don't I haven't I haven't watched that I've read that the prevailing theory in suspicion is that the U.S
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military accidentally shot out of the air when they were conducting other exercises and yeah Buried buried the
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lead basically that's what I think too after watching that memory that's my vote oh is that what the documentary says it's one of the options and uh it
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seems very like more it seems more likely than the other ones yeah yeah okay cool freaky story if you hear a
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Creek in your house there's probably someone living in your house that you're unaware most likely
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it's a 9 out of 10 chance so or if you hear the girl from The Ring
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screaming it's probably a fox howling oh my God in fact so you're just only to
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get on this show well thanks for listening yeah so I will transition us
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to the True Crime side of our story and knowing you Taylor you're gonna know
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what I'm talking about here the drink that I referenced earlier sambuca poured into a pine glass with
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Guinness poured after it so that the sambuca floats that is referred to as a
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freak Show freak Show yeah I don't know why I couldn't understand why why the name why that was the name they gave to
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it but that's what it's technically called so okay that's what we're going to be discussing it's a real drink and a
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freak Show was a real thing of the past so is a critical part and a critical component what we're going to be
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discussing so I personally don't love the term freak Show because what we
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basically did as a society back in the day when these things were prominent was we just took people who were different from us and labeled them as Freaks and
41:38
then charged two bits again or to stare at them at a human Zoo which doesn't seem very nice it's not very nice but
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good question yeah yeah and I found the earliest
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version of a freak show it was in the 1600s and that's where the concept of freak
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show started because back then the king of England
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somehow similar across these twins in Genoa Italy who were conjoined twins so
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one of them was an I hate to even use the word normal but you know what I mean like a regular dude
42:14
and then he had a conjoined twin that was like basically just like a head and part of a shoulder that was coming out
42:21
of his chest it was called the normal one quote unquote normal one was called Lazarus the other one was called John
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and the brother I don't know why that's funny I just had a left for that I know I know I know I know well I kind of love
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this story okay and I'll explain that so John was the parasitic brother so it really wasn't even like a fully
42:41
functional human being it was like it was just like Grunts and that was basically all I could really do and like maybe blanket size every now and then
42:47
and it isn't just like dangled off of Lazarus for the most part apparently at one point this is the part that's
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amazing about the story last risk was actually sentenced to death because he killed someone and he got off this
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argument actually worked he got off by saying if you kill me then you kill my parasitic brother and he didn't do
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anything wait did you talk wait no so you just like grunted yeah yeah yeah so I was
43:13
like I was like you know Kudos this guy Lazarus was making lemonade out of lemons but like that was a pretty good argument to make so more power too
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most of what freak shows consisted of was just people showing you know the
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disabilities that they have and sometimes people would do other stuff to you for example there be people who were
43:32
Ambiguously raced and they would call them some annoying unknown subspecies of humans or if there was somebody who was
43:40
heavily tattooed or heavily pierced they'd also get a spot on the freak Show but occasionally you'd have people with
43:46
legitimate Talent so you'd have people who would eat Flames or swallow swords the guy who would do like nails in his
43:53
nose and stuff like that yeah yeah and then you obviously have the folks
43:58
that I have congenital defects like they're they have deformities
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that are not what people are used to seeing and they also would join freak
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shows which is a shitty thing to do to people sometimes it's okay I'm actually gonna say when I actually thought it was
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a good thing but for the most part it was kind of like not a great thing to do to somebody I was I wrote here that it's
44:22
actually kind of funny how some of this stuff still persists this day so for example there's a chain of grocery
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stores in Texas and it might be elsewhere I haven't seen it anywhere else in California they're known as
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Randalls but in Texas they're known as Tom Thumb have you heard of them before
44:38
okay it's probably a Texas thing they're named after a guy who was named General
44:45
Tom Thumb who stopped growing at six months old so in total he was two feet
44:50
tall and weighed 15 pounds and like not even joking I am one block and one I'm
44:56
at my parents house right now her listeners I'm one block from one Thompson and another block from another one behind me so like this is like a
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very pervasive name they caught on all because of this one guy General Tom Thumb another and that was a PT Barnum
45:09
act another famous act was one that involved a guy named Joseph Merrick do
45:14
you remember that name um no so you might remember his alternate name
45:21
which was the mean name that I don't love for him which was the Elephant Man oh yes yes wait I'm sorry I had to go
45:27
back because it's time that's not the first time that someone used the word the name Tom Thumb that is I mean well
45:34
is a character from English folklore um
45:40
may have been a real person born in 1519. I was thinking that it was Christian Andersen but that's Thumbelina
45:46
but like Tom Thumb is um yeah it's definitely from further back
45:52
than that it's like but I think it's it makes sense that it's a name for a ridiculously small person continue no no
45:58
you you know what I might have missed Tom Thumb because I just assumed it was named after him because I didn't know
46:04
there was any other Tom Thumb that ever existed yeah it's like a it's like a it's like a Thumbelina kind of character I think
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okay everybody just discount everything I said there but trust everything that I say going forward okay perfect perfect
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okay Joseph Merrick so he was known as the colloquial name form was the
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Elephant Man he suffered from a disease called Proteus syndrome which results in basically overgrowth of tissue that
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would lead to just traumatic disfigurement like his um his skeleton is on display in some
46:36
Museum in the UK and you can tell this guy had it really really rough like it's just overgrowth of tissue everywhere
46:43
that it shouldn't be and as a result he was obviously heavily heavily disfigured he was displayed in London when it was
46:51
yeah he was basically displayed in in London for a period of time this is the part where I think that General Tom
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Thumb and Joseph Mayer kind of break the mold of like how I think it's been to do this to people the reason was that
47:05
these guys had no options right so by all accounts Tom Thumb was being paid
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150 a week by PT Barnum and he at that time he basically retired young and
47:19
super super rich Joseph on the other hand he was treated like a complete leper in society and he
47:26
had zero income or Health Care opportunities so this guy who ran this freak Show like I know that's not a good
47:32
thing to do to someone but like what else was he gonna do like this was his only way to support himself and on
47:39
top of that because wait a minute what I have so many I'm so sorry I have to I have to interrupt you right now
47:45
there is a 1980 movie 80s movie called The Elephant Man directed by David Lynch
47:50
starring Anthony Hopkins oh yeah yeah yeah and and in fact like there was um
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so I think it was Bradley Cooper key factored me I think it was Bradley
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Cooper played Joseph Merrick on Broadway actually
48:08
but like fairly recently in the past like five to seven years I want to say
48:14
no way huh
48:20
I didn't do anything to his buddy just made a weird face yeah it was Bradley Cooper right
48:27
yeah he's just like moving his face to the side like and did you watch The Witcher oh yeah yeah
48:34
in The Witcher how she like has a hump for the first half of it yeah yeah also anybody who likes The Witcher show
48:41
you gotta get Witcher 3 on PlayStation or Xbox is incredible it's so good I mean but The Witcher show
48:48
is great but well so my other point was that because Joseph was or alfan Joseph
48:54
whatever you want to call because he was such a popular act a lot of doctors would come and see him and they were like trying to figure out like what's
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going on with this guy it was I I didn't really sound but I think it was in 1996 when they finally discovered that he had
49:04
this illness and that's what it actually was so like there was no health room essentially but yeah it is what it is
49:11
like in the grand scheme of things it was probably better that he was in this situation than just like homeless
49:17
in the UK right we're like murdered as a baby yeah yeah precisely so we start at
49:23
this point getting into the early ninth early 1900s and medical science start becoming a thing and the world starts
49:29
falling out of love with freak shows it started being viewed as basically distasteful thank thank God laws
49:36
actually started being passed in some places saying that you can't exhibit someone and charge money to view them
49:41
because of physical deformity disease or general mutation what that also meant is
49:47
that the latter 1900s freak shows weren't really a lucrative Endeavor before if you had a genetic mutation or
49:53
disease you could live a reasonably comfortable life despite it you know you felt like [ __ ] because people are gawking at you but it's better than not
49:59
having that not having any source of income at all like I mentioned with Elephant Man so it was during this time
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period of the transition from freak shows being like a good thing you know I get it yeah yeah
50:13
that basically our main character in the story Rose to prominence and his name is
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Grady styles which I'm sure you know I don't know yet that was a really long introduction and I'm really excited and
50:25
also I just I cannot wait to share with people these pictures of Bradley Cooper just making a face
50:32
nice you know what I saw him do it like do his transformation into the Elephant
50:38
Man and I thought it was pretty good he like you watched clip something doing it on like talk shows and stuff and I was like okay like you know
50:45
he's like holding one shoulder up higher and making like a kissy face like he said
50:51
there's like no attempts to make him look like anything else they just like barely could be making weird face anyway
50:56
because it's Bradley Cooper you can't put him in Disguise it moves the entire point it looks ridiculous like I can't I
51:03
can't even so I want to stop looking at it because it's too much fair enough so Grady's alternate name is
51:11
the Lobster Boy So Okay the reason I bring this up and the reason I gave that long intro is
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because I think that that plays a part of what's gonna end up happening here because you
51:23
have a guy in Grady Styles who is raised when being a freak
51:30
is a good thing or like a lucrative thing to do and he catches the tail end of that and
51:38
yeah there's a deep decline in that so back then well
51:45
you know what I'm digressing I'll tell you the justification here in a moment again starting off right after that I'm going to say I don't love being in front
51:52
of people with like situations like this guy has but I will say in this case uh not because gritty had a disability but
51:58
because he's a total rampaging violent drunk piece of [ __ ] uh he got exactly
52:03
what was coming to him and his disability had nothing to do with that so I'm just gonna preface all this
52:08
Grady was born with a condition known as actrodectly which is a genetic condition
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where the central digits of the hand and or the feet are missing so basically you
52:19
end up in large part with some amalgamation like a pinky and like
52:24
a thumb or a big toe and a pinky toe essentially that it gives the appearance
52:30
of a claw basically like you only have these digits and a lot of times they're they have other issues where like those
52:36
digits are longer than they should be anyways so it looks even more off essentially Grady's case was
52:43
particularly bad because he actually had it in both his hands and his feet so he only had claws like four digits four
52:50
claws on his appendages got it the condition was actually pretty well
52:55
documented in grade East family history so Grady's family had had this condition for Generations including Brady's dad
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Brady senior senior came up in the freak Show freak Show
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circuit back when this wasn't a disreputable thing to be a part of and he leveraged his deformity to make a
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good living for the family so by all it counts he made like 70 to 80 000 a year doing
53:19
this which really really good money in a situation
53:25
like this like because you think like somebody looked working in a freak Show like you assume they live in like a tent right like I mean this is like he was
53:31
able to actually support a family off the back of his disability Grady's not going to be in that exact same position
53:36
but like that's what he was accustomed to right eventually you know Gray's born and then
53:42
he goes on the road with senior and they perform together again it's worth noting that despite everything I'm about to say
53:48
about the kind of person that Grady grew up to be this had to be shitty right like I think I like how most kids they
53:53
want to fit in with other kids and if you're someone that is born like this you're not just like called a freak but
54:00
then your dad monetizes your condition and that can't be a good feeling and so I'm making a lot
54:07
of excuses for this guy his economic situation the fact that he probably felt shitty about him like I do think all
54:13
that plays a factor in what ends up happening or who he ends up becoming that's all I'm saying so yeah because Brady Han acroductively
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in his legs or his feet as well he really only had two options for Mobility one was a wheelchair but the most common
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way he would move around is you just use his upper body to just Shuffle his legs
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forward and move that way as a result of that he became incredibly strong in his
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upper body like abnormally he's talking multiple reports would indicate how freakishly strong this guy ended up becoming he's actually just doing a
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gymnast routine for 24 hours a day all day long through his entire life so that that helps yeah oh my God totally as
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Grady grew up uh he he got married he had three kids he with a woman named uh
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Mary who worked with a freak Show too she had no conditions like she was like just a staffer at the freak show that
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Grady was at they fell in love they ended up having kids only one of the kids ended up being born
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without actroductively a girl named Kathy the other ones basically did what
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Grady's dad did to him they joined Grady on the freak Show at the freak Show it's so weird saying
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that word it's just like it feels so gross is there another word for it
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is there anything else that it does I guess you got a sideshow I guess you
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call it a sideshow yeah yeah yeah it's really the popular culture of it where like I mean there was an American Horror
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Story called freak wait was it called yeah yeah it was yeah and there is a lobster boy in it
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yeah it definitely gets better at the first experience it's one of the iffy ones but um no what was I gonna say oh
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so there's nothing else besides the the finger thing it doesn't like the fact everything else is just that just that yeah psychologically mentally he was all
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sound well absolutely sure everything else yeah so uh it's also worth noting
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to hear in addition everything else is going on grade was also like a drunk but like not in like a fun good time kind of
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a way his wife would later claim after the events we're gonna discuss here that
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the only times that he wasn't drinking when he was awake was between 8 and 10 am so he was like constantly drinking
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essentially he was aggressive he was drinking water during that time yeah who
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knows I mean if you look at pictures of him he looks like a picture of a guy who's been drinking non-stop like he he
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looks rough he looks like he's having a rough time but he also paired that with a three pack a day cigarette habit which
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also doesn't help anything no he smelled terrible you probably smelled
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horrible and Neighbors in their small small forward town they lived in would regularly hear just belligerent
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screaming from their house is Grady would regularly get drunk and berate abuses family
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he would physically beat the [ __ ] out of his wife and his kids with his hands like
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well he his hands were like basically laugh pictures you would like grab them and
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choke them and he was strong as [ __ ] like he would be able to throw them around like crazy
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there's one story where that daughter I mentioned earlier Kathy uh she was pregnant and she tried to sound Brady
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from beating her mom like on the middle of it and Grady ended up beating Kathy
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so bad that she ended up going into early labor like that moment he was he was a jerk he was a really
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really again I kind of understand part of it given his background all that but like still he's a terrible person
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yeah no excuse to like be the [ __ ] out of your family right right exactly So eventually Mary grew tired of this
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treatment and she leaves Brady she ends up marrying a new guy and she left the
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kids with him so like not a good woman either basically the the eldest daughter
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uh she was named Donna and Donna wanted to basically extract herself from this living Arrangement so she agreed to me
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this poor poor bastard named Jack Lane Grady as were the most abusers could
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feel the controlling grip he had on his family slipping away first his wife leaves him Mary's another man then the
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daughter wants to leave him as well so he's he's lit he's he's completely pissed at this point and the day before
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the wedding greedy asked Jack over to discuss something like the marriage I don't know
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the details are hazy again on this stuff and it was during this meeting the Grady ends up shooting Jack in the back
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and killing him oh my God yeah that's his daughter's fiance yeah this is literally the night before the marriage
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the wedding he does this Grady would obviously yeah
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he would obviously get arrested and he got he got um he put on a self-defense
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claim is like because and people believed it because like you look at this guy and like dude he's basically
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just like an upper torso and like he just put on an act of like dude I'm disabled like I can't do this stuff like this guy was gonna kill me like he made
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that whole argument he ended up being found guilty on third degree murder charges which like is better than first
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and second degree but still pretty bad but because of his condition Billy what
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do we do with this guy you can't put in a normal cell like people just roam
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around like a volleyball like and so they decided that we'll just release him on probation when you have 15 years
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probation and we're gonna release him that was what the court decided to do for killing a guy like a kid basically
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like absolutely this is so Florida this was Florida story I've ever heard so I
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mean there's a lot of Florida stories yeah yeah apparently for a brief period
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of time after all this happened Grady goes on the straight and arrow he quits drinking and just like tries to be a
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more sensible reasonable human being during this time Mary decides to leave
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her husband and not only gets back with Grady they remarry it's crazy we're like
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you should never do that you should never it's like calling it's like drunk calling or texting your ex like just
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don't do it definitely don't remarry them yeah not a good move so obviously
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the whole not drinking thing doesn't last very long and he starts beating the
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shot of her again because of course he does like you're not going to change this guy by this point Marion apparently
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had enough and decided to do something about Grady Mary had a son with the guy she left Brady for originally
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the son's name is Henry Glenn Newman and oh I wrote it here I forgot so she
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should Mary loved Carney guys so the guy she left Grady for was called
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the [ __ ] Man so he wasn't sure little person and yeah and they ended up having
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a child together and now that child was named Harry Glenn Newman Jr Mary ends up asking Harry Jr to take care of Brady
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after sustaining tremendous abuse and Harry did so by offering fifteen hundred
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dollars to another pre-show worker named Chris Wyant to kill Grady and Chris no problems again
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this goes back to my story where I'm like how do these people just find each other like it's just like they're like a
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Magnus they come together so well to me you just asked the first guy he meets it he's like yeah I'll do it for 1500 bucks
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always was laughing when you one time we were talking about the people of Florida and you're like this guy's just tripping
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over scumbags true this is so true I don't get how
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they come together it's just like yeah I mean good for them they have a network you know they have more of a network for
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that than I do so Kudos yeah I mean I'm glad we're good for you yes of course of
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course Chris obviously agrees this and immediately just goes over to the trailer that Grady's in he looks in the
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windows he's Brady he's just like [ __ ] drunk watching television he opens the door goes aside Point Blank
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shoots him in the head and kills him so this is the fun of Grady's wife that she had during
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the time that she was married to someone else yes okay yes well no easy so so Chris is the
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friend of that oh it's not even in the sun it's not even the sun exactly so
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Chris is just like looking to kill someone just somebody just asked me somebody's asking me anybody anybody who
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wants me to do it like this this is this they're all living like a commune right these are all these are all freak Show
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staffers and actors and whatever like they're all like together and so I don't
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know I guess easy easy going over there but there's like do you watch Bones
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no probably that there's just like so whatever they're like if the message getting things I'm like the whole thing
1:02:55
is like the woman bones is really smart and then like the man is David Boreanaz or whatever from Buffy yeah Angel he's
1:03:03
like yeah yeah he exactly he's like the cop and she's like the front scientist but for some reason that makes absolutely no sense because I solve a
1:03:09
case of the circus so they become circus performers to go solve the case and you're like why would anyone ever ask you to do that it's just really funny
1:03:15
and they like but they like listen to their little trailer and like learn how to like juggle Arts it's really stupid but but funny but yes but I can picture
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like a circus traveling circus
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you know what's funny is this entire time while I was researching this I was only thinking about um the Amer that
1:03:35
American Horror Story season which like I couldn't get through because I actually didn't think it was that good at all I think it's better later it gets better
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okay yeah yes it's not my favorite but I think the ending is pretty good that was
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one of the only ones I could think of American Horror Stories I quit halfway through but I mean do you ever watch
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Freaks from like the 20s or whatever no no and you know what's funny is I uh oh
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of course it wouldn't be yeah because I kept trying as I was researching the whole freak Show thing I was like what was that movie where they go one of us
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one that's right it's called freaks right okay that's freaks yeah it's from um 1932. yeah yeah that that would not
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have helped the situation of these shows and these performers I don't think but
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go back to the story so obviously we're not dealing with like the smartest people in the world here Chris Harry Jr
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and Mary were basically immediately suspected of the murder and caught for it Harry
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initially was being questioned by police on this murder he volunteered a polygraph which he obviously failed and
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then broke down crying and told the police everything in that you know including his mother including his
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friend Chris all that like he just brought everybody into the situation with him Chris was yeah
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Chris the guy the actual gunman himself he was charged with second-degree murder
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and he got 27 years in prison amazingly Chris was released in 2009 so this guy's out and about walking around right now
1:05:01
that's so crazy because the story starts in like a time that feels completely different that's nuts doesn't it like a
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trailer in the bogs in Everglades of Florida where they're constructing tents
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to display humans with a congenital defects right in this
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this guy would still be actually he was born in 37 would he still be alive maybe
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he could be still alive right it could definitely be alive yeah yeah it's nuts I mean the kids are definitely still
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around I mean I saw pictures of his kids like they're still around they're kicking and doing their own thing same with Mary actually so Mary was found
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guilty of conspiracy and command first degree murder and she only got 12 years absolutely
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for killing somebody I mean granted she played up the fact there was a lot of domestic violence and abuse which I
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guess worked for Grady when he went to court and was like I'm I have this issue you should go light on me I mean I don't
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know I guess I guess that's an argument to be made but she only ended up serving seven years
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for this she got out in 2000. so and wow she also moved right back to the city
1:06:12
where her and Grady used to live and nobody seems to care I'll discuss that here in a moment too
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uh the guy who got it the worst is actually her son Harry Jr so he got charged the first degree murderer and he
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got sentenced to life and he did it because he died in prison in 2014. so
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wow yeah yeah it's um I pointed out this fact that like
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nobody went to Grady's funeral they said it was like maybe 10 people that showed
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up there was some something that like they kept trying to figure out like who could actually be the pallbearer to
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carius casket and nobody would volunteer to do it because everybody hated this guy so we always talk about like this
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coming up before in your yeah before I just feel like we should not have Paul bearers we should move past that as a
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society and what's the what's what's up well yeah I guess yeah just what would
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you do I just don't feel like you should do that I think it's a lot of responsibility and
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no yeah I've been a Paul Bearer before it's not a good experience no I'm sorry
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that sounds terrible yeah it feels weird it feels really weird like there's like corpse on my shoulder it's like uh I
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don't know yeah no we're um I'm gonna vote no I'm Paul bearers yeah yeah don't
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volunteer especially if you hate the guy which like in this case like everybody did I was gonna say like we always talk
1:07:34
about like don't kill your family but it seems like this guy really had it coming like it feels like this one it's
1:07:41
okay to kill your family but like at least like get away with it like don't do it in a way that your son goes to jump for the rest of his life and Dives
1:07:46
there like there's a better way to to do this I think yeah but yeah that's that's
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historian like you know I made some excuses at the top of like look the economic decline the fact that you're
1:07:58
treated the way you're treated in society by your own family by your peers like it's you gotta I don't know maybe
1:08:03
it would do that maybe this this is who you turn into under any circumstance I don't know but uh it's not a good way to
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live I would I wouldn't love that for anybody I know so yeah yeah especially that being up
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transition time where you're like this could have been a job and then like it's not anymore which is
1:08:22
the correct answer but also like don't but then people what are people supposed
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to do how much is I'm doing the math right now in the 1930s wait so his dad
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made about seventy thousand dollars oh no you know what that was that was already transferred never mind that's it
1:08:40
so it would have been seventy eighty thousand dollars in today's money is what it would have come out to that sounds great
1:08:46
yeah like you're living in like beverages like yeah that's you're like
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the richest guy within like 70 counties of you so yeah and yeah it's Gotta suck
1:08:58
to not have that anymore not have that opportunity like like that's why with the Joseph Merrick thing I was like well
1:09:03
is it a bad thing that we they did they didn't like you know I don't know I know and like PT Barnum obviously like
1:09:10
is bad in retrospect you know he made he made Tom Thumb super rich like he gave him like a super like right but he also
1:09:17
like super racist and like weird things also that I don't know that he does they know that he's like not as exciting as
1:09:23
Hugh Jackman but but yeah also like you know Tom Thumb got a job yeah yeah like I mean okay so PT Barnum
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I think was the guy who would put people of different races up and call them a
1:09:38
new species of human I think that was the guy that did that and there's another thing I didn't write down here
1:09:44
which she did which was like also kind of [ __ ] up so he found this 80 year old
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blind woman who was a former slave and
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put her in a freak Show his show saying that she was the oldest one on earth at
1:10:01
160 years old she had other issues too I forgot what it was like she was missing like a leg and she was a blind or like
1:10:06
something was something she was obviously invaried in a very bad way and
1:10:12
he capitalized on it which again like isn't nice I don't know maybe that was way forward
1:10:18
to make a living yeah yeah I mean like we don't We're not
1:10:24
gonna do it anymore no we should not do it anymore you know but um I mean I'm sure there's places in
1:10:31
the world where they do that still yeah I think it has to be yeah yeah there's there's got I mean yeah there's
1:10:37
definitely parts of the world that do stuff like this still to this day like I mean think of how some of these countries treat people who are like just
1:10:44
gay like yes no totally yeah yeah yeah
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yeah precisely precisely so uh yeah this was this Taylor this was the story that
1:10:55
I was that I was referencing when I was researching that guy Ken Rex whatever that guy was who got killed in Skidmore
1:11:02
Missouri and I was like what and I asked Chad gbt when is it okay to kill somebody oh right right so so trying to
1:11:12
see obviously didn't reply to me but it but doing research was like I was like justifiable justifiedly the universe
1:11:18
seems aligned on two murders and it's that guy the 10 guy and then this guy
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which is like all across like these are the two people that had it coming the most so yeah that's the story thank you
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that's interesting yeah it's crazy yeah yeah going a little further back in time than
1:11:35
usual I guess I mean this guy was one of the best priorities but I kind of like that okay I'm gonna go further back next week even farther further further
1:11:41
further further further I gotta get back to the ancient time fish you know you
1:11:47
your story I literally while you were talking I typed out like what my next
1:11:52
story is gonna be because you gave me the best reminder of one of the
1:11:58
freakiest things I've ever read about it's not the cabin thing that we discussed earlier it's another one that
1:12:03
happened like very recently like in the early 2000s I would say I can't remember exactly but it was I remember reading
1:12:10
about this was like oh my God I can't believe I forgot about this this case and um yeah that's coming next week
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oh my God I can't wait sweet well that is our tail is there anything Taylor you
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