Let's go way back to Taylor's Favorite Murder - the family murders at Hinterkaifeck. In the quiet expanse of Bavarian countryside, a small farmstead became the setting for one of the most perplexing unsolved mysteries in German history. Join us this week as we delve into the chilling events of the Hinterkaifeck murders. Who could commit such heinous crimes, and why remain shrouded by the shadows of the past? We'll explore the eerie preludes, the gruesome discovery, and the tangled theories that continue to haunt the legacy of Hinterkaifeck.
Let's go way back to Taylor's Favorite Murder - the family murders at Hinterkaifeck.
In the quiet expanse of Bavarian countryside, a small farmstead became the setting for one of the most perplexing unsolved mysteries in German history. Join us this week as we delve into the chilling events of the Hinterkaifeck murders. Who could commit such heinous crimes, and why remain shrouded by the shadows of the past? We'll explore the eerie preludes, the gruesome discovery, and the tangled theories that continue to haunt the legacy of Hinterkaifeck.
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hi friends Taylor from Doom to fail I am re-releasing today the story of my
personal favorite murder the hendric murders this is a story of a family in a farmhouse in Germany and um they weren't
seen for a couple days and when people went to a look for them they found them all chopped up in the barn it is a
mystery to this day I think I have my thoughts on who did it but um there's a
lot of options and a lot of people who it could have been and they had secrets and all the things that make it um my
favorite murder so I hope you enjoy thanks a matter of the people of State of California versus orthal James
Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow Americans
and what happened with the Cubs the t Team yes we did great did they win today
we don't keep score so no but no they did great A lot of them hit the ball I
pitched to them a lot of them hit it we one girl freaking scream cries the entire time so she scream cried the
whole time but you know other than that I think it was fine they had fun the kids had fun yeah great the kids had fun
they had a good time and then then Florence had a game after her and she did really well she got a hit I think they tied it was good nice now we're
home it's a disaster Juan's in New York so what's he doing in New York visiting friends nice okay doing like a dude trip
yeah that's fun yeah and then what are you going to do you going to put the kids down and bust out the wine or what's the game plan I hope so we are
painting so I'm painting like took everything out of my closet and I'm painting the whole inside of my closet
and should we go cameras off because your parents internet is terrible I'm sorry I can't even I can't
tell everything's slow um hopefully that's better okay let's try that yeah so we yeah we are painting like a
hallway and the doors and the hole inside of the closet so it's like a lot of work but it's good everything's M cuz
I take everything out of the closets nice we're having a good time we're going to go get sushi after this we're going to get like one sushi roll and
then like a bunch of Anam and some rice that's how we do sushi J Joshua Tree
Sushi it's good so here's the thing all Sushi has to be frozen before it gets to
the restaurant in the United States anyway okay so being proximity to an ocean doesn't actually impact anything
it does not no okay all right well there you go yeah learn some you every day yeah sweet I didn't go I didn't go until
I learned that but once I did learn that I was like oh okay so going to go so I'm not crazy like this was a Shar sentiment
okay good yeah yeah not crazy cool well should we kick things off yeah well
welcome to Doom to fail the podcast where we discuss two relationships that were red flaggy and doom to fail one
historic One True Crime I'm fars joined here by Taylor hi Taylor and we okay so
hold on I think I know this time this time you go first I do got it for a
change okay so we'll go ahead and discuss our drinks I guess I'm going to
go first so this is going to be a bit of a flashback to last week because it's also going to include
Guinness and it's also going to include sambuka so it's sambuka poured into a
pine glass followed by super super slow pour of Guinness down the side like it
trickles down the side that the sambuka floats on the Guinness at the end of all this there's a name for it it's real
it's real there's a name for it but if I told you the name you would know what I'm doing so I'm not going to tell you
the name yet I'll tell you the name when I get to my story okay okay that's exciting I like sambuka I like a I like
like a apertif hey I remember you I remember
vaguely a thing where don't you like light sambuka and then do a hell opter thing and then shoot it is that a thing
I don't know what's the helicopter thing because you yeah like you light the
sambuka on fire then you put your hand on top of the
fire on top of the shot glass and then that extinguishes the fire and then the
glass adheres to you because of the vacuum it creates to your hand so you can lift the whole thing up on the palm
of your hand and then you're supposed to like wave it around your head to show that it's like really adhering and then you take it off and then shoot it I
think you need to do a lot of research before you try that make sure that's real before you get that a shot yeah
yeah that sounds very dangerous I might have to edit that out I we cannot take all my ability right now I don't I don't
yeah no I don't recommend that I mean even if it's something that people can do I'm going to say don't do it yeah
yeah yeah yeah fair enough we'll we'll do some research and get back to you on this amazing amazing well I can't I okay
well next time we're together let's definitely figure out how how to do that oh yeah how do we do that we Guinness
tap okay we'll figure it out cool that sounds weirdly delicious and semi dangerous okay so I go first and I'm
going to do an old timey story and I'm drinking beex the German beer because
have you seen Beerfest oh my God I love Beerfest so remember when they're like trying to name German beers and they're
like un un unbs you remember that part yes so that's I think about that all the time so that's why if I'm like what's a
German beer I'm like un un pack they so hard to find so I can't wait so that's
we're in Germany my my favorite part of that movie was when the Indian guy when
they're done drinking that first night he wakes up and he's he's cuddling a
dead deer just like covered in blood yes so good so yeah yeah he did oh it's so
good I love how that one guy dies and then his twin comes and you forget that he's dead I know incredible landfill oh
my God it's so good oh my gosh they did so they're so hit or miss Broken Lizard that troop like we watched the the the
Tacoma FD show where like in the fire department is great we watched that but then like they have a new one called
quasi about quasi Moto and it's like so bad I barely watched it like it was a
struggle I think our taste I think our taste also changes a little bit yes I
guess but feel like there I like I didn't like slam and salmon but I like like Club dread and I like PUD puddle
Cruiser anyway anyway and I saw them live and it wasn't very good that was like 15 years ago Super Trooper Super
Trooper how incredible Super Trooper Super Trooper 2 is another one that's better than the first one okay anyway
riing back also oh I'll get I'll do a little more another throwback to beer fest in a minute so it's so I was
thinking last week it was super cute that you think the Black Dalia is out of scope because we have no scope so you
could definitely have done that if you had wanted to you can definitely do it in the future and I also think it's cute
that you think she was found under the Hollywood Sign because she was not so I just wanted to make that clear that like I knew that you were wrong I didn't say
anything in case anybody else also knew you were wrong wait she was well it was on the it was in the mountains though or
whatever you whatever no it was in a park about 30 minutes away no it was like in the city oh my God okay it was
not in the mountains I'm so sorry listeners yeah people were screaming in their cars Across America and the world if I cause
any road rage accidents please forgive me so okay so that remind so I'll say
that for you you can do the black doia later if you want to I do think there's something about a redhead cop in there that she may have had a relationship with that you could explore so I think
that could be in this but that reminded me of my favorite murder which is the hter kek murders have you heard of those
oh and you okay and you said beex is oh my God this is the creepy one right this
is a super scary okay super scary which is why it's my favorite yeah let's do it
love it okay awesome so it has and there are some relationships in it some like pretty bad ones so I think they all kind
of attributed to to what happened so the sound bites I want make it so fascinating like I'll go a little bit
more into detail in like later but first let me just tell you the creepy part so
on April 4th 1922 after a few days of no one seeing the owners of hter kek which is a farm a
neighbor went over to investigate in the barn he found four bodies stacked in the hay they were the bodies of Andreas
Gruber 63 his wife cilia Gruber 72 be daughter Victoria Gabriel 35 and her
daughter cilia Gabriel 7 they had been lured and attacked one by one they'd be
um killed by a pickaxe so like a big axe like a flat side and a pointy side in
and in the head little cilia the seven-year-old girl when they found her body a lot of her hair had been pulled
out so the police think that she was laying there dying for several hours
pulling out her hair like in eggy in confusion so I'm God inside the house
were the bodies of the maid Maria bomgardner she was 44 and the baby Joseph who was two they had been dead
since March 31st so for about 5 days it had taken a while for the town to notice because the fire was on and the animals
were fed someone was living in the farm so it looked like someone was living there like the animals weren't crying
they were well fed the dogs weren't barking they were taken care of the you know the fires were on so that people
thought someone was there so someone had been living there like with the dead bodies for several days after so creepy
prior to it's so creepy prior to the murders the former maid so it's actually
Maria bomgardner first day which is like the worst first day of work ever is the
day you get murdered on the job yeah but it it was her first day poor thing the former maid had quit because
she had heard Footsteps in the attic and she thought that the house was haunted
so she was like I'm out of here so also like Andrea's the the dad is is a jerk
so that could have contributed it as well but she said that she heard noises in the attic and it scared her enough
that she left Andreas the the dad he also told people in town that he saw
footprints in the snow going into one of the barns where the door had been broken but none
leaving so oh yeah yeah that's part I remember yeah you know so everything I
read was like dramatically different facts about this so I just like picked my favorite because like I don't know
but one thing did say that there were two sets of footprints in the snow which would like change who we think might think it might be but there was
definitely one set of footprints in the snow leading towards one of the buildings but none leading out so that's
scary yeah yeah actually so Taylor like it remind of um it reminds so there was
we had one of those in the US too if you remember like it was a it was this family that went into this cabin I want
to say it was somewhere in California and there was like separate cabins and
all every every was dead it was like a nobody knows how it happened and there was like Footprints and it was the exact
same story except like in the US whatever I'm I'm sidetracking your story but like totally it's so scary it's so
scary Andre had also told people in town that he found a newspaper from Munich on his property Munich is about 40 m away
from Hendrick kek and he didn't subscribe to this newspaper nobody in town had brought one in so there was
like a newspaper that he could not identify that he found on his property so that was weird you know yeah from
after the murders cigarettes were found in the Attic as well as the attic had like a trap door like a false floor with
like a little compartment in it and that's eventually where the murder weapon was found it would like they found the bloody axe in the Attic
underneath the floorboard so whoever it was definitely went back up to the attic and hid it in there so like that's a
scary story someone living in my attic is like the scariest [ __ ] thing I can possibly think of it's like
parasite yeah oh my God so freaking scary like I feel like there's been like
dozens of like Lifetime movies and stories of like you know someone's like watching you through the vents or you
know just like having someone up there and also like funny that like it must it's like 1922 so it must have been so
Smoky that you wouldn't notice someone smoking in your attic you kind of Let It Go but but yeah it's so scary like the
footprints are so scary the idea that like they killed the baby you know they lived in the house with the dead bodies
like they cleaned up after themselves they took care of it like they were living there you know and then they left
Taylor have you seen um have you seen the open house on Netflix is it what gen
yes yes I think so that's like the story look in the basement or something yeah
yeah like like living there and nobody knew I mean that was FAL it's scarier that it's real but whatever same story
concept it's so scary and I've SE I I've also seen things in like New York City where like somebody had someone living
in like his crawl space like in his apartment and she would like come out at night and like pee in the sink so
laughing so wild okay so that's like the gist of it that's what makes it so fascinating to me I think the whole
thing is like so scary but I want want to go a little bit more into detail I went to Wikipedia of course there's a
hter k.net I I watched an episode of lore so lore is a podcast and they have
two seasons of show on Amazon where they like act out the stories I think they're all really different because they're all
different stories but in the one about hendri Kai effect the dad Andreas is played by the grandpaa from Beerfest oh
nice it's best um I love when he goes what is it grandpaa that guy also um
played Arnold Schwarzinger and Arnold schwarzer made for TV movie oh that totally makes sense right he was he was
in like a bunch of like he was in the original Dune like he's like a very famous actor like I'm giving him no justice but yes um like I'm like oh the
grandpa from Beerfest but you know what I mean he's in this lore another another
uh the woman who played the maid in that episode of lore is in dark did you ever watch dark was also really good in
German it's Netflix it's like really creepy and good um so anyway some good German actors um I listen to a podcast
the midnight train and I also read the book The Man from the train which will come in later so I read that a long time
ago but it kind of ties back to this so I'm going to kind of go through it again but a little bit more in detail um so
hind kek was a farm behind the town of kek in Germany hter means behind so just like near kek Ander kek it was uh 43
miles north of Munich it was built around 1863 it had several buildings it wasn't
just like the house there was a main house which had a basement um for like food storage and then that attic a
stable a barn a machine house a bakery SL laundry a coach house and a well so it's also a time when like there's no
indoor plumbing so like your you know your your kitchen is usually separate from the house and you know your you
know laundry is separate from the house and it was a farm where like people could buy like milk from them they could
probably buy like meat from them and they had like vegetables and stuff so like a farming Compound on the lore show
they do a really good job of showing you just like it feels isolated and it's really [ __ ] cold it's like snowing you know like everyone's freezing they
just have candles and like Shaws so really cold and really it felt very isolated but it wasn't like super
isolated you could walk to town there were some neighbors that were like pretty close and it also was right by
the train tracks so you could ALS always hear the train going by the grouper family lived on the farm that's Andreas
cilia Victoria and then the two children One Source said that like Victoria was the owner of the farm the 35-year-old
with her husband but I don't I don't know where that came from it could have been that Andreas owned
the farm from his first wife's family because he was a widower and then married cilia she was like 10 years
older than him so that could have be how we got it but there's like a bunch of different stories about how we have
gotten it also just for the record Victoria the daughter she was married to a man named Carl Gabriel he died in
World War I in France and his body was never found he is the father of cilia the seven-year-old yeah so the
undisputable fact of the story is that Andreas was awful he was like a bully and a jerk he was awful to his family
the people in town didn't like him he was abusive and one thing to note is
Joseph the 2-year-old boy was not the son of Victoria's husband the the one who died in the war his parentage is in
question so in 1915 Andreas and do and Victoria his daughter were convicted of
having an incestuous relationship between 1907 1910 like he went to court
I don't know like how that works exactly but he got a year in presis and she got a month in prison for that so like he
definitely had raped his daughter you know definitely abused her for a long time it was like 10 years before this we
definitely did it how do you go why is it rape the
punishment why is it incest right that's a good point it was not it wasn't like
but they were accused of having an incestuous relationship which feels like that makes it sound like she was cool
with it there's no way she was cool with it seems light seems light yeah so yeah good point he should be charged
with with like raping a family member but there's also another person they
think that Joseph might have been Joseph's father the neighbor Lawrence sbower he was married to someone else
but he was having an affair with Victoria like everybody knew that they were having an affair so he could have been Joseph's dad as well so it could
have been like either of those they don't really know who his parent who his father was but other than that terrible
thing is business as usual at the farm the family kind of goes in and out of town people see them all the time time
they get their mail they have coffee delivery on the way there's someone coming to fix the tractor so there's no
indication that like anything bad's going to happen I can also mention you know the the former maid quit the house
was haunted the new maid Maria bom Gardner came with her sister on March 31st 1922 her sister stayed for a little
bit and then left her sister there and that she was the last person to see the family alive in the middle of the night
somebody lured the family one by one into the barn and murdered them so I feel like okay okay can you sorry can
you pause there real quick is that really what people think happened yes so
here they did a couple they did some tests like what can you hear from the house from the barn can you hear someone screaming from and you couldn't that
that they didn't think think that happened but in the lore show which I think kind of May might make sense is
like the dad went out first to like milk the cow or whatever and then the person
killed him dropped his body in the barn and then like let the cow out you know
so everybody else would be like oh [ __ ] the cow's out what the [ __ ] is he doing and then go and like bring the cow back
and they end up in the barn you know it just sounds it it just sounds very much like people walking down the basement
steps in a horror movie well yeah but also like what reference like what would
make them I guess maybe because they they were afraid that the house was haunted or whatever like someone was there but like I don't know how like how
actually scared they were of like something weird happening but I also feel like you're so freaking tired you
worked on your farm all day you know you have to like get to bed it's like late so and it's snowing and like it's cold
and you're just like oh the barn door is open again damn it and you go out there and check it and then you like see a
dead body and all a sudden you're killed too you know so I don't think it'd be like that hard I guess I guess that's
true you know and it would makees sense that the maid didn't go out because she wouldn't know to do that because it was her first day and the baby obviously is
a baby so he' sit inside everybody else went I don't know I I think that I think
that checks out to me but I don't know no one knows they left the body stacked like cordwood it always says stacked
like cordwood which I only here in this just like had them stacked like wood they were stacked and under some hay the
murderer then went back into the house killed Maria it was again it was her first freaking day and then he killed
the baby which is terrible he killed the baby in its little crib um and they stayed for a few days they fed the animals made food cleaned up people
weren't too worried cuz they saw the smoke then on April 1st which is the next day some coffee sellers named Hans
and Edward arrived to take an order they walked around didn't see anyone they saw the machine house was open but the gate
had been broken for a while so they weren't like they knew that and they just laugh they didn't see anyone thought that was kind of weird a man
during this time also a man named Michael happened to pass by he said that he saw that the oven was on he saw the
smoke and when he kind of walked by he saw a person outside and that person like pointed a lantern at him in a way
that like he couldn't see who they were and then he kind of like ran away cuz he was scared so he saw someone but he
doesn't know who it was that's also very creepy I know when so this reminds me a
couple a long time ago miles was just a baby I was sitting on the couch in our La apartment and I was feed I was like
breastfeeding the m so I couldn't move and Florence was in there too and W was in the kitchen and someone tried to open our door and I was like one oh my God so
Juan came running and then like had open neighbors or two and they left and it was this old couple and I think they had found like a Big Ring of like mail Keys
like the postman would have and like tried to open up people's doors but I was like we were very clearly home and they tried to open up our door and then
afterwards like one and our neighbor that called the police and the police were like they we think we found him
let's see if you know who he is so they took them to a place and they just had the guy stand in front of the cop car and theyd like shown the lights in his
face so he couldn't see them but they could see him wait they see him like they could see that they could see the
the man who tried to break into our house but the man couldn't see Juan oh well that's good yeah yeah you know yeah
wait y'all saw his face like y'all had know you knew that that was the guy yeah
we saw him through the PE the keyhole we were like very clearly home it was really weird and scary wow okay yeah and
then in the end the police officers were like we're he going to drive him to Hollywood and let him out and hopefully he doesn't come back that's God it's not
good police great job LD I know perfect perfect response to that um so someone El saw two people no
there's some like suspicious things happening so cilia the little girl was out of school for a couple days family didn't go to church on Sunday so people
started to like get suspicious like where are they we haven't seen them in a while on April 4th a dude named Albert
Hoffner came to repair an engine like he knew that he was go supposed to go like repair this machine in the machine house
he didn't see anyone there kind of walked around knocked on the doors was like what's going on he ended up going
into the barn um not the barn the machine house like a different uh building and spending four hours fixing
the tractor or whatever it was while he was there it he said that when he got out of the barn some things were
different like someone had like kind of cleaned up a little bit after he had done that so it sounds like the person or persons who was in the house left
during the time that he was in the barn like he was in the machine house fixing the tractor so it's interesting how tidy
this guy was I know he just kept cleaning up for like the blood people I mean he's a nice house guest absent The
Killing part yeah yeah totally had the animals all the whole thing he it's possible that Bert's presence made the
um made the the guy leave later in the day the neighbor Lawrence shil Bower who's possibly the dad of Joseph sent
his sons to see if anybody was there cuz he was like it's weird to have an answer to the door the kids came back and said
we can't find anybody so lawren went back with another some grown-ups and thank God the kids didn't find the
bodies the grown-ups did they found them in the barn and in the house so they're the ones who are the first people to find them the police are called and then
here are the list of suspects and again like we'll never know who actually did it but here's what people think about it
Loren is a big suspect obviously he's possibly the father of Joseph he 100%
had an affair with Victoria he also was super weird and did some like weird things so when he got there he like
tried to move the bodies around to like see them better or something so he just like touched all of the crime scene like
a lot this during this time you could use fingerprints like fingerprints were
had been invented as like a way to to solve crimes but they didn't do it in this case for whatever reason they didn't take fingerprints he also like
Lawrence had a alibi for the night of the murders but I think he's pretty suspicious like he he he was the one who
ended up finding the murder weapon in the Attic being like Oh it's here I just tripped over it you know like okay kind
of suspicious and he also you know because of the kid like he you know maybe was mad at Andreas for what he had
done to Victoria maybe he didn't want to pay child support for Yosef like who knows and he also like lived really
close so he could have definitely like had the like proximity to do it but um also
because he lived so close like he wouldn't really need to hang out there so that I think is weird and before he died he died in 1941 he did win a bunch
of cival civil claims for slander against people who called him the murderer of Hendrick kek so maybe he
didn't do it I don't I also I also don't want him to have done it because it's much scarier to think of someone who had
no motivation who just blew in from out of town and did that that's so much freakier than like yeah here here's all
the logical reasons why this I would do it 100% that definitely like way more scary a couple other people Carl some
people think that Carl Gabriel did not die in World War I and he came back and he did it so he got home to hit your kyc
was like huh my wife has a son who's two I've been gone for three years you know did some math got super upset and killed
everybody and then just disappeared into the wind so that's a I mean there's no evidence for that but some people think
that there was another man who named sephon who was a um a former lover of
Victoria I think he could have done it there's a man named Peter Weber who was
talking to a friend and saying like I've done some work at at Hendrick kek they
have a lot of money we should go back there and we should steal all their money and kill them which is exactly the
plot of In Cold Blood have you read that no I have not read that but I saw the movie capot Taylor the universal answer
to the question of have I read that is no I've seen the the movie
of anything it's like but I feel like if you're going to read that book you should read in Cold Blood I know it's so
scary I remember reading it and being like I am so scared I felt like in friends when Joey put the book in the freezer like I felt like I wanted to do
that like I was like this is so scary you know I've heard that a lot I've heard that a lot but you are also like a
super Avid read reader and you had that exact same reaction to that old lady scene and it when you read that and you
threw your book I did throw thank you for remembering that that was very specific I did throw my book when I read
the old lady SE in it because it was so scary I was at a was at a restaurant okay so yes so a lot of people could
have done it everyone hated Andreas there a bunch of Brothers people suspect so there's like two brothers called the gump brothers and they think that they
that they might have done it but they there's no really not of evidence for them there's a woman named Teresa in
1971 she said that when she was 12 her mother got visited by two brothers named
Carl and Andreas and she said that they had done they had confessed to the mother in front of her when she was 12
that they did it but that also feels really weird I don't think that they that seems like very suspicious think that lady just wanted to get some
attention there's also another pair of brothers called the
bickler brothers and their friend gorg they you know repeatedly said they that the family should be dead so you know
saying that out loud you probably shouldn't do that so they think that maybe they did it you know the three of
them did it together um but there's no proof to that the only thing that is like maybe leans in that direction is
like the family dog hated everyone except these guys for some reason so they like knew the family so the dog
might have been calm when they came over and and never barked when they were like sneaking around so like that could have been it and then also this is super
weird the maid the original maid she said in addition to hearing this
Footsteps in the Attic she used to talk to someone outside of her window and she thought it was one of these guys and
these guys were like it wasn't us what I know does not sound like somebody
of sound mind or it sounds like a complete liar is what it sounds like I mean like could you imagine someone like
hello fars sat your window don't look at my face I'm someone else tayl if I heard
your voice it would scare the shadow me oh my God I know it's so scary like
what's going on T like What's happen like there's something going oh man that sounds like that sounds like one of those like it's like one of those like
Japanese horror movies like the level like multiple levels up scary yeah it's so scary so like that is such
a weird story so like I don't know maybe it was maybe it was them moving around but just I don't know why I don't know
and also like who the [ __ ] was the maid talking to like I don't I don't know was it anyone so that's terrifying other
brothers lot of a lot of people that were like investigated but no one was ever convicted the last thing and this
is what I think you were talking about is like the actual scariest thing is
maybe it was someone they didn't know you know maybe it's someone who just like suck around and sit in the attic
for a little bit and then killed them and then left um because they just wanted to kill people this is this theory is in the book The Man from the
train which I actually I did read also and it's about the man who did the
remember the velia axe murderers no it sounds familiar but I don't remember it
so I'm gonna say maybe I'm saying that wrong it's a the v v i l l i s c a so faela AE murders those are on June 10th
19 12 so it was a in vilka Iowa there
were a family lived in this like Farmhouse and there were I think six
people in the family and then two little girls were just like spending the night having a sleepover and they were all
murdered with an axe they were um all of the mirrors in the house were covered when people finally found them which is
so scary so all the mirrors were covered all of the um all of the bodies were
like kind of like just scattered around the house the guy definitely like masturbated over the bodies particularly
of the little girls so it's like a real bad guy but so that's like one of the scariest [ __ ] stories and so in this
book The Man from the Train the author Bill James he you know talks about how there's a bunch of other crimes that are
very very similar to that one and they all occur in like really close proximity to a train it's someone like going in
and like murdering a family and leaving just because he like wants to to murder people I thought the scary I think this
book was like okay and I think it was great I wish I had been better but oh wait this other now Wikipedia says was
in 1897 so that can't be true no it was in 1912 anyway I feel like now there's
so much wrong information on the internet so much so much conflicting stuff like I with my story what I'm
going to go through I'm like I you could fact CH me on like 50 points here and you're going to pull different sources
for all of them so I mean maybe it's because I'm like researching things more than I ever have but I'm like what the hell this sense and I was like asking I
was like yesterday I tried to ask Bard for facts cuz I was like oh I've never used Bard like I me just asking a question and it was like very wrong like
totally wrong and I was like that's wrong and it was like I'm learning and I was like what why don't sense don't
trust Lord but anyway so in the man from the train I think it was in 1912 when he killed that that like family in Iowa
that you can stay at that house also BT dubs it's a um like a bed at breakfast which is terrible so he you know he
would kill people he wouldn't Rob them he just wanted to kill people the scariest thing that happened in that book that remember is that the one thing
that the author says is like people were always like there was a really creaky Step at that on that at that house so
like how could he have killed everybody upstairs and killed everybody downstairs without everybody hearing you know like
there's just like no way he could have like snuck around the house and killed people like we were saying with like the defa murderers like you can't shoot
everybody without anybody else waking up but the author was like he didn't tiptoe
up the stairs he ran up the stairs and killed everybody you know he just like did it so fast that no one had time to
react which I think is terrifying it makes sense yeah so sure I me you can
see both I I think that we're overemphasizing like a creek on a stairs going to wake somebody up like if you
have a family if you have people in your house people're going to be walking up down the stairs like they want to go down and get couple water like you're
going to hear [ __ ] it's like yeah that's a house settling I hear [ __ ] all the time in my house and it's somewhat terrifying sometimes have you you want
to check your attic are you busy no Taylor one one time I might as well this one one time it was like the first night
I moved into the new house and Luna wasn't with me which like is extra creepy because I don't know what happened in that house may somebody was
killed there I don't I have no idea and I'm in my room I'm dead asleep and I
basically hear the girl from The Ring just screaming outside my bedroom window
what and I'm like what like I my every hair I have like stood up on end it was
the most Terri middle of the night like 3 4:00 the night in the morning and and I told somebody about this like a few
nights later I was like I heard this sound was the scariest thing I've ever heard and then they played for me foxes
howling on YouTube oh boxes have the most
terrifying howl I've ever heard in my entire life when we're done recording when we're done all with all this stuff go listen to it if you ever hear that
sound you will literally think that like that woman is crawling out of your TV to come into your room and kill you and it
is just a fox so anyways I'm so glad they figured it out no I'm so GL I figur I'm also glad didn't talk to you just in
guil that's so scary in college one time my my shampoo fell off my like thing
into my bathtub at the middle of the night and I've never scared of my life it was like a huge bang you know
like so this author thinks that the man from the train is a man named Paul Paul
Mueller Paul Mueller was a German immigrant in in America and he was like
a vagrant you know on trains all the time and he there's like evidence that he was in the places where a lot of
people were killed so that's the person that he thinks it is but Paul Mueller also disappears the axe murderers in
America stop after like a certain amount of time so he thinks that Paul Mueller
went back to Germany and he did the Kinder kyi murders because the timing could technically work out because also
because he was German so he would like he he could leave America go back blend into Germany and he would obviously
literally never be found you know so that's what uh that's what the author of
man for the train thinks I don't know there was a in 20 in 2007 15 students at
the police academy in is hilarious okay so and I took a lot of German but the police academy is called Pai fak hula
and the place they are from is furin feldbrook no Fen feldbrook one word Fen
feldbrook okay so they examined the case using modern criminal techniques they
confirmed that they know who it is using the forensics and what they had and all these things but they won't
say who they think it is because they don't want his family to in consideration of his descendants which
is super dumb that is yeah really gracious my grandpa was the ax murderer give me a break if tell people so the
grber family was buried in V hoffen cemetery near there they were buried without their heads because their skulls
had been sent to a psychic to try to identify the killer that did not work I
I I love old tmy medicine she said I don't know why she did their
heads she said that uh the murders have been committed by two people and that the murder weapon was still on the
property which was true because they actually didn't find the weapon until they were demolishing it so that part
was true so maybe it was two people I don't know 50% right so far the skulls were kept in the Justice Justice
building in a in ausburg Germany and they were destroyed by bombing during World War II so wow pretty terrible um
in 1923 just a year later hinder cic Farm was demolished so you can't go there anymore you can't visit it it's
kind of even not clear exactly where the buildings were probably because people were going there and you know being
weird and creepy and trying to see what was up and scaring each other so they demolished the whole thing and then you
know kind of folds into World War II and bunch of other stuff happened so it it was all kind of ruined but it's a
mystery and it will be a mystery forever which is exciting and it's so scary just the idea of a murderer in your attic I
think the um okay so I'm going to be quoting Heath Ledger the Joker in this
it is the unpredictability of it that makes it terrifying that's why the whole lack of motivation part is like as a
Horror Story it is much better to have no motivation and there's assume that there's some psycho out there who's just
knocking on doors seeing what's open I'm gonna go but like also it makes you
wonder why someone would do that anyways if they were living there for that long well we don't know how long they were living there but but the maid the
earlier maid said that she thought the house was haunted which like maybe it was or it was this person you know that
she was picking up on so if you're just living comfortably there anyways then
who cares like just like why what was what was the added motivation in killing them other than being crazy other than
being crazy and I think that like I mean if it was so the red the relationshipy
part is like if it was the Lauren the neighbor Sloss father of the boy then
like it's because you know he didn't want to play child support for this like aair baby that he had and that's why he did it other people like some of their
motivation from these like groups of Brothers is like they were so mad and grossed out by the incest that they
thought that the family should die so yeah both those things are like red flaggy like that is the thing that like
ultimately might have been the thing but it also might have been just [ __ ] a guy who found their house and wanted to
kill them which is I think the most fun SL scariest answer yeah yeah is there
are there any movies on this did you see any any media portals there are some movies that I haven't I didn't watch I
think there's there's one oh there's one that got bad reviews but it's like a horror movie of someone who like went there but it's like a a not about the
the murders it's about like someone going there and invate the murders anyways it doesn't look as good but that episode of lore it's on Amazon Prime and
it's about an hour long and they it's pretty good they go through like they kind of like layer on top the different
scenarios of what they think might have happened so like the different people that they they think it might be and
they show them each doing it being like oh maybe it was like the um the husband coming back from from the war and he you
know he was saw the family was upset or maybe was the neighbor or whatever so it doesn't it mentions The Stranger but it
doesn't like do that but it does okay just watch it anyway but the beginning of it it does show like the mailman
coming and being like huh like kind of looking around and they have like the murderer they you only see like his bottom half but he's like holding the
axe behind the door and the mailman like knocking on it which is fun cuz that's really [ __ ] scary for that mailman
yeah yeah wow yeah yeah what a what a crazy there's um there should be some
compilation of all these deaths that are incredibly incredibly mysterious like I do remember that cabin death I'm going to research that and like I'll send
information on it but it was like the exact same story with it's like family was on these different cabins all in the
woods all together and then like all died and acts to death nobody has any
idea what happened to him it's just like that's it's just like chills remember that happened in like
the 80s happened at a Girl Scout camp there was like Girl Scout camp cabins and the cabin that was furthest away the
girls all got murdered so creepy also I'm going to Girl Scout camp in a few weeks so I will probably die Freight I
don't know why I brought that up because I'm about to go to girl Camp when I was flying across the Atlantic I was just
thinking about how you were referencing that Malaysian flight that just disintegrated over the air in our last
episode I know that's that has a documentary about it and it's a [ __ ] mystery it the documentary
does not have any answers it's real scary so I don't I haven't I haven't watched that I've read that the
prevailing Theory and suspicion is that the US military accidentally shot out of the air when they were conducting other
exercises and Buried buried the lead basically that's what I think too after watching the documentary that's that's
my vote oh is that what the documentary says it's one of the options and uh it
seems very like more it seems more likely than the other ones yeah yeah
okay cool freaky story if you hear Creek in your house there's probably someone
living in your house that you're unaware of most likely it's a nine out of 10 chance so lucky or if you hear the girl
from The Ring screaming it's probably a a fox howling oh my God fax you're just
only can get on this show well thanks for listening yeah t