Hi! Let's re-release Ep 21 part 2 - the story of Grady Stiles. Grady didn't have a chance, really, born into essentially the circus Grady and his family traveled the us as "Lobster" people. Well, just listen to this horrible tale of what happens next.
Hi! Let's re-release Ep 21 part 2 - the story of Grady Stiles. Grady didn't have a chance, really, born into essentially the circus Grady and his family traveled the us as "Lobster" people. Well, just listen to this horrible tale of what happens next.
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hi friends Taylor from Doom to fail we are the podcast that tells you history's most disastrous and calamitous failures
um that we can find but if you find others please let us know send us an email Doom tood gmail.com today we are
revisiting episode 21 part two on Grady Styles so farest tells this this one
this is about a man named Grady Styles who was in a kind of circus side show
his whole life because of a deformity with his hand so he was dubbed the the lobster boy um which is a terrible way
to grow up I'm certain you don't want to grow up in in a sideshow and I don't
think that we have those anymore for the best but um Grady ended up murdering and
being murdered so listen to that story here with us right now and um let us
know if you have any questions or any suggestions thanks for listening in a matter of the people of State of
California versus orth James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
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country so I will transition us to the True Crime side of our story
and knowing you Taylor you're going to know what I'm talking about here the drink that I referenced earlier sambuka
poured into a pine glass with Guinness poured after it so that the sambuka floats that is referred to as a freak
Show freak Show yeah I don't know why I couldn't understand why why the name why that was the name that they gave to it
but that's what it's technically called so okay that's what we're going to be discussing it's a real drink and a freak
Show was a real thing of the past that is a critical part and a critical component of what we're going to be
discussing okay so I personally don't love the term freak Show because what we
basically did as a society back in the day when these things were prominent was we just took people who were different from us and labeled them as Freaks and
then charged two bits of Gander to stare at them at a human Zoo which doesn't seem very nice it's not very nice that's
good good con yeah yeah and I found the earliest
version of a freak show it was in the 1600s and that's where the concept of a freak
show started because back then the king of England somehow stumbled across these
twins in Genoa Italy who were conjoin twins so one of them was an I hate even
use a word normal but you know what I mean like a regular dude and then he had a conjoined twin that was like basically
just like a head in part of the shoulder that was coming out of his chest it was called the normal one quote qu normal
one was called Lazarus the other one was called John and the brother joh I know
why that's funny I just had laugh about that I know I know I know I know but I kind of love this story okay and I'll
explain why so Jon was the parasitic brother so it really wasn't even like a fully functional human being it was like
it was just like Grunt and that was basically all it could really do and like maybe blink its eyes every now and then and it basically just like dangled
off of Lazarus for the most part apparently at one point this is a part that's amazing about the story blus was
actually sentenced to death because he killed someone and he got off this
argument actually worked he got off by saying if you kill me then you kill my parasitic brother and he didn't do
anything oh my God wait could you talk wait no he just like granted yeah okay
yeah yeah so I was like I was like you know Kudos this guy Lazarus for making lemonade out of lemons but like that was
a pretty good argument to make so more power to most of what freak shows
consisted of was just people showing you know the disabilities that they have and
sometimes people would do other stuff too for example there would be people who were Ambiguously raced and they
would call them some unno unknown subspecies of humans or if there was
somebody who was heavily tattooed or heavily pierced they'd also get a spot on the freak Show but occasionally you'd
have people with legitimate Talent so you'd have people who would eat Flames or swallow swords the guy who would do
like nails in his nose and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah and then you
obviously have the folks that have congenital defects like they they have
deformities that are not what people are used to seeing and they also would join
freak shows which is a shitty thing to do to people sometimes it's okay I'm actually going to say it when I actually
thought it was a good thing but for the most part it was kind of like not a great thing to do to somebody it I was I
wrote here that it's actually kind of funny how some of this stuff still persists to this day so for example there's a chain of grocery stores in
Texas and it might be elsewhere I haven't seen it anywhere else in California they're known as randles but in Texas they're known as Tom Thumb have
you heard of that before okay I it's probably a Texas thing they are named after a guy who is
named General Tom Thum who stopped gring at six months old so in total he was 2
feet tall and weighed 15 lbs and like not even joking I am one block in one I'm in my parents
house right now for listeners I'm one block from one tomam and another block from another one behind me so like this
is like a very pervasive name that caught on all because of this one guy General Tom Thumb another and that was a
PT barnack another famous act was one that involved a guy named Joseph Merrick
do you remember that name um no so you might remember his alternate name which
was the mean name that I don't love for him which was was the Elephant Man oh yes yes yes wait I'm sorry I I have to
go back because Tom that's not the first time someone used the word the name Tom tham that is I mean well I'm not to is a
character from English folklore no way to it said I'm reading Wikipedia Tom Thum may have been a real
person born in 1519 I was thinking that it was H Christian Anderson but that's thumbalina but like tum is
um yeah it's definitely from further back than that it's like but it's I think it's it makes sense that it's the
name for a ridiculously small person continue no no you you're you know what I might have been merched Tom Thumb
because I just assumed it was named after him because I didn't know there was any other Tom Thumb that ever existed yeah it's like a it's like a
it's like a thina kind of character I think okay everybody just discount everything I said there but trust
everything that I say going forward okay perfect perfect okay Joseph Merck so he
was known as the colloquial name form was the Elephant Man he suffered from a disease called Proteus syndrome which
results in basically just overgrowth of tissue that would lead to just traumatic disagreement like his um his skeleton is
on display in some Museum in the UK and you can tell this guy had it really
really rough like it's just cons overgrowth of tissue everywhere that it shouldn't be and as a result he was
obviously heavily heavily disfigured he was displayed in London when it was yeah
he was basically displayed in in London for a period of time this is the part where I think that General Tom Thum and
Joseph mer kind of break the mold of like how I think it's mean to do this to people the reason was that these guys
had no options right so by all accounts tomam was being paid $150 a week by PT
barnham and he at that time he basically retired young and super super rich
Joseph on the other hand he was treated like complete leper in society and he
had zero income or Healthcare opportunities so this guy who ran this freak Show like I know this not a good
thing to do to someone but like what else was he gonna do like this was his only way to support himself and on top
of that because wait a minute what I have so many I'm so sorry I have to inter I have to interrupt you right now
there is a 1980 80s movie called The Elephant Man directed by David Lynch starring Anthony Hopkins oh yeah yeah
yeah in in fact like there was um so I think it was Bradley
Cooper can you fact shk me I think it was Bradley Cooper played Joseph Merrick on Broadway
actually like like fairly recently in the past like five to seven years I want to
say no way
huh and they didn't do anything to BU he just made a weird face yeah it was Bradley Cooper right weird
yeah he's just like moving his face to the side like and did you watch The Witcher oh yeah yeah in The Witcher
house she like has that hump for the first half of it yeah yeah yeah also anybody who likes The Witcher show you
got to get Witcher 3 on PlayStation or Xbox it is incredible it's so good I
mean I PlayStation but The Witcher show is great but well so my other point was that because Joseph was or Al Joseph
whatever you want to call him because he was such a popular act a lot of doctors would come and see him and they were like trying to figure out like what's
going on with this guy it was I I didn't write this down but I think it was in 1996 when they finally discovered that he had this illness and that's what it
actually was so like there was no help for him essentially but it is what it is like in the grand
SCH of things it was probably better that he was in this situation than just like homeless in the UK right like
murdered as a baby yeah yeah precisely so we start at this point getting in
into the early early 1900s and medical science start becoming a thing and the world starts falling out of love with
freak shows it started being viewed as basically distasteful thank thank God
laws actually started being passed in some places saying that you can't exhibit someone and charge money to view
them because of physical deformity disease or general mutation what that also meant is in the latter 1900s freak
shows weren't really a lucrative Endeavor before if you had a genetic mutation or disease you could live a
reasonably comfortable life despite it mean you felt like [ __ ] because people are gawking at you but it's better than
not having that not having any source of income at all like I mentioned with the Elephant Man so it was during this time
period of the transition from freak shows being like a good thing you know I
get it yeah yeah that basically our main character in the story Rose to
prominence and his name is Grady Styles okay which I'm sure you know I
don't know yet that was a really long introduction and I'm really excited and also I just I cannot wait to share with people these pictures of Bradley
Cooper just making a face i s you know what I saw him do it
like do his transformation into the Elephant Man and I thought it was pretty good he like you can watch clips of him
doing it on like talk shows and stuff I was like okay like you know for better but he he's like holding one shoulder
high and making like a kissy face like he's not there's like no attempt to make him look like anything else they just
like Bradley Cooper making R face anyway because it's Bradley Cooper you can't put him in Disguise it was the entire
point of ridiculous I can't I can't even so I want to stop looking at it because it's too much fair enough fair enough so
Grady's alternate name is the Lobster Boy So Okay the reason I bring this up
and the reason I gave that long intro is because I think that that plays a part
of what's going to end up happening here because you have a a guy in Grady Styles who is raised when
being a freak is a good thing or like a lucrative thing to
do and he catches the tail end of that and yeah there's
a steep decline in that I'll so back then well you know what I'm digressing
I'll I'll tell you the justification here in a moment again starting off we're off the bat I'm going to say I don't love making fun of people with
like situations like this guy has but I will say in this case uh not because Grady had a disability but because he's
a total rampaging violent drunk piece of [ __ ] uh he got exactly what was coming
to him and his disability had nothing to do with that so I'm just going to preface all this Grady was born with a
condition known as acrod which is a genetic condition where the central digits of the hand and or the feet are
missing so basically you end up in large part with some amalgamation of like a
pinky and like a thumb or big toe and a pinky toe essentially that it gives the
appearance of a claw basically like you only have these digits and a lot of times they're they have other issues
where like those digits are longer than they should be anyways so it looks even
more off essentially Grady's case was particularly bad because he actually had it in both his hands and his feet so he
only had claws like four digits four claws on on his appendages got it the
condition was actually pretty well documed in Grady's family history so Grady's family had had this condition for Generations including Grady's dad
Brady senior senior came up in the freak Show freak
Show circuit back when this wasn't a disreputable thing to be a part of and he leveraged his deformity to make a
good living for the family so by all accounts he made like $780,000 a year
doing this which like that's really really good money in a situation like
this like because you think of like somebody working in a freak Show like you assume they live in like a tent right like I mean this is like he was
able to actually support a family off the back of his disability Grady's not going to be in that exact same position
but like that's what he was accustomed to right eventually you know grd's born and then he goes on the road with senior
and they perform together again it's worth noting that despite everything I'm about to say about the kind of person
that Grady grew up to be this had to be shitty right like I I think I like how most kids want to fit in with other kids
and if you're someone that is born like this you're not just like called the freak but then your dad monetizes your
condition and that can't be a good feeling and so I'm I'm making a lot of
excus for this guy his economic situation the fact that he probably felt shitty about him like I do think all of
that plays a factor in what ends up happening or who he ends up becoming that's all I'm
saying yeah because R Han actally in his legs or feet as well he really only had
two options for Mobility one was a wheelchair but the most common way he would move around is he just use his
upper body to just Shuffle his legs forward and move that way as a result of
that he became incredibly strong in his upper body like abnormally strong multiple reports would indicate how
freakishly strong this guy ended up becoming he's just doing a gymnast routine for 24 hours a day all day long
for his entire life so that that helps getting oh my God totally and Grady grew
up uh he he got married he had three kids he with a woman named uh Mary who
worked at the freak Show too she had no conditions like she was like just a staffer at the free show that Grady was
at they fell in love they ended up having kids only one of the kids ended up being born without actally a girl
named Kathy the other ones basically did what Grady's dad did to him they joined
Grady on the freak Show at the freak Show so weird saying that word it's just like it feels so
gross is there another word for it no that's what it was is there anything
else that it does oh I guess you call it a sideshow I guess you call it a sideshow yeah yeah yeah I'm the popular
culture of it where like I mean there was an American Horror Story called freak wait was it called fre show it was
yeah there is a lobster boy in it yeah it definitely gets better the first it's
weird it's one of it's one of the iffy ones but um no what was I going to say oh was so there's nothing else besides the the finger thing it doesn't like
affect anything else is just that just that yeah psychologically mentally he was all sound well absent everything else yeah
so uh it's also worth noting here in addition everything else that's going on gr was also like a drunk but like not in
like a fun good time kind of a way his wife would later claim after the events
we're going to discuss here that the only times that he wasn't drinking when he was awake was between 8: and 10:00
a.m. so he was like constantly drinking essentially he was aggressive think he
was like drinking water during that time yeah who knows I mean if you look at pictures of him he looks like a picture
of a guy who's been drinking non-stop like he he looks rough he looks like he's he's having a rough time but he
also paired that with a three pack a day cigarette habit which also doesn't help
anything no that's Terri he smelling terrible you probably smelled horrible
and Neighbors in their small small florid of town they lived in would regularly hear are just belligerent
screaming from their house is Grady would regularly get drunk and ber and abuse his family he would physically
beat the [ __ ] out of his wife and his kids with his hands and like well he his
hands were like basically Pinchers he would like grab
them and choke them and he was strong as [ __ ] like he would be able to throw them around like
crazy there's one story where that daughter I mentioned earlier Kathy uh she was pregnant and she tried to stop
Grady from beating her mom like got in the middle of it and Grady ended up beating Kathy so bad that she ended up
going into early labor like that moment he was he was a jerk he was a really really again I kind of understand
part of it given his background all that but like still he's a terrible person yeah no excuse to like be the Shad out
of your family right right exactly So eventually Mary grew tired of this treatment and she leaves Grady she ends
up Mar a new guy and she left the kids with him so like not a good woman either
basically the the eldest daughter uh she was named Donna and Donna wanted to
basically extract herself from this living Arrangement so she agreed to marry this poor poor bastard named Jack
Lane Grady as with most abusers could feel the controlling grip he had on his family slipping away first his wife
leaves him marries another man then the daughter wants to leave him as well so he's he's lit he's he's completely
pissed at this point and the day before the wedding Grady asked Jack over to
discuss something like the marriage I don't know the details are hazy again on this stuff and it was during this
meeting that Grady ends up shooting Jack in the back and killing him oh my God
yeah that's his daughter's fiance yeah this is literally the night before the marriage the wedding he does this Grady
would obviously yeah he would obviously get got arrested and he got he got um he
put on a self-defense claim is like cuz and people believed it because like you look
at this guy and like dude he's he's basically just like an upper torso and like he just put on an act of like dude I'm disabled like I can't do this stuff
like this guy was going to kill me like he made that whole argument he end up being found guilty on third degree
murder charges which like is better than first and second degree but still pretty bad but because of his condition they
like what do we do with this guy you can't put a normal cell like people just
throw him around like a volleyball like and so they decided that we'll just release him on probation we're g give
him 15 years probation and we're going to release him that was what the court decided to do for killing a guy like a
kid basically like absolutely this is so Florida this the most Florida story I've ever heard so I mean there's a lot of
Florida stories pretty good yeah yeah apparently for a brief period of time
after all this happened Grady goes on the Straight Arrow he quits drinking and just like tries to be a more sensible
reasonable human being during this time Mary decides to leave her husband and
not only gets back with Grady they remarry crazy but like you should never do that you should never it's like
calling it's like drunk calling or texting your ex like just don't do it definitely don't remarry them yeah not a
good move so obviously the whole not drinking thing doesn't last very long
and he starts beating the [ __ ] out of her again getting Dr because of course he does like you're not going to change this guy but this point Mary had
apparently had enough and decided to do something about Grady Mary had a son with the guy she left Grady for
originally the son's name is Henry Glenn Newman and oh I wrote here I forgot so
she she the Mary Mary loved Carney guys so the guy she left Grady for was called
the [ __ ] Man so he was a little person and yeah and they ended up having a
child together and that that child was named Harry glenan Jr Mary ends up asking Harry Jr to take care of Brady
after sustaining tremendous abuse and Harry did so by offering $1,500 to
another freak Show worker named Chris Wyant to kill Grady and Chris no qus
again this goes back to my story where I'm like how do these people just find each other like it's just like they're
like Magnus they come together so wild to me he just asks the first guy he meets and he's like yeah I'll I'll do it
for 1,500 bucks M I was laughing he when you time when you're talking about the people in Florida and you're like this
guy's just tripping over scumbags it's true so true I don't get
how they come together it's just like they're yeah I mean good for them they have a network you know they have more
of a network for that than I do so K knows yeah I mean I'm glad good for you yes of course of course Chris obviously
agrees to this and immediately just goes over to the trailer that Grady's in he looks in the window sees grd's just like
[ __ ] house drunk watching television he opens the door goes inside Point Blank shoots him in the head and kills him so
this is the son of Grady's wife that she had during the time that she was married
to someone else yes okay yes well so so
Chris is the friend of that oh the sun it's the exactly so Chris is just like
looking to kill someone just somebody just ask me somebody just ask me anybody
anybody who wants me to do it like this is this dude they're all living in like a commune right these are all these are
all freak Show staffers and actors and whatever like they're all like together
and so I don't know I guess easy easy going over there but there's like do you watch
Bones no probably not there's like the whatever they're like investigating
things and like the whole thing is like the woman bones is really smart and then like the man is David Boran or whatever
from Buffy Angel he's like yeah yeah yeah exactly he's like the cop and she's like the really scientist but for some
reason that makes absolutely no sense it to solve the case at the circus so they become circus performers to go solve the
case and you're like why would anyone ever ask you to do that it's just really funny and they like but they like listen to a little trailer and like learn how
to like juggle or it's really stupid but but funny that's but I can picture like a circus traveling
circus like right now I know everyone knows that means you know what's funny is this entire time while I was
researching this I was only thinking about um the americ that American Horror Story season which like I couldn't get
through because I actually didn't think it was that good at all I think it's better later gets better okay yeah yes
it's not my favorite but I think the ending is pretty good that was one of the only ones I could think of American
Horror St I quit halfway through but I mean yeah you ever watch Freaks from like the 20s or whatever no no and you
know what's funny is I uh oh of course it wouldn't be yeah because I kept trying to as I was researching the whole
freak Show thing I was like what was that movie where they go one of us one of I guess it's called freaks right okay
that's freaks yeah it's from um 1932 yeah yeah that that would not have
helped the situation of these shows and these performers I don't think but go
going back to the story so obviously we're not dealing with like smartest people in the world here Chris Harry Jr
and Mary were basically immediately suspected of the murder and caught for it Harry initially was being questioned
by police on this murder he volunteered a polygraph which he obviously failed
and then broke down crying and told the police everything in you know including his mother including his friend Chris
all of it like he just brought everybody into the situation with him Chris was yeah Chris the guy the actual gunman
himself he was charged with second degree murder and he got 27 years in prison amazingly Chris was released in
2009 so this guy's out and about walking around right now that's so crazy the story starts in like a time that feels
completely different than that's nuts doesn't it like you're a a trailer in
the bogs and Everglades of Florida where they're constructing tents to display
humans with congenital defects this
this guy would still be actually he was born in 37 would he still be alive maybe he could be still alive right he could
definitely be alive yeah yeah this nuts I mean the kids are definitely still around I mean I saw pictures of his kids
like they're still around they're kicking and doing their own thing same with Mary actually so Mary was found
guilty of conspiracy to commit first gree murder and she only got 12 years like it's
absolutely for killing somebody I mean granted she played up the fact there was a of domestic violence and abuse which I
guess worked for Grady when he went to court and was like I'm I have this issue you should go light on me I mean I don't
know I guess I guess that's an argument to be made but she only ended up serving seven years for this she got out in 2000
so and and W she also moved right back to the city where her and gr used to
live and nobody seems a care I'll discuss that here in a moment too uh the guy who got at the worst is actually her
son Harry Jr so he got charged of the first murderer and he got sentenced to life and he did it because he died in
prison in 2014 so wow yeah yeah it's um
I pointed out this fact that like nobody went to Grady's funeral they said there
was like maybe 10 people that showed up there was some something that like they kept trying to figure out like who could
actually be the Paw Bearer to carry his casket and nobody would volunteer to do it because everybody hated this guy so
we always talk about like come up before in your yeah it's come up before I we should not have po Bears we should move
past that as a society I what's what's what's up well yeah I guess yeah just
what would you do I just don't feel like you should do that I think it's a lot of responsibility
and no yeah I've been a PA bear before it's not F it's not a good experience oh
no I'm sorry that sounds terrible yeah it feels weird it feels really weird like there's like corpse on my shoulder it's like uh I don't know yeah no we're
I'm I'm gonna vote no on Paul bars yeah yeah don't volunteer especially if you
hate the guy which like in this case like everybody did I was going to say like we always talk about like don't kill your family but it seems like this
guy really had it coming like it feels like this it's okay to kill your family but like at least like get away with it
like don't do it in a way that your son goes to jail for the rest of his life and dies there like there's a better way to to do this I think yeah but yeah
that's that's his story and like you know I made some excuses to the top of like look the economic decline the fact
that you're treated the way you're treated in society by your own family by your peers like it's you got to I don't
know maybe it would do that maybe this this is who you turn into under any circumstance I don't know but uh it's
not a good way to live I I wouldn't love that for anybody I know
so yeah yeah especially that being at transition time where you're like this could have been a job and then like it's
not anymore which is the correct answer but also like don't
but then people what are people supposed to do how much is I'm doing the math right now in the
1930s okay so his dad made about $70,000 oh no you know what that was
that was already transferred never mind that's it so it would have been $70 to $80,000 in today's money is what it
would have come out to that sounds great yeah like it's you're living in like the
everg like yeah that's you're like the richest guy within like 70 counties of
you so yeah and yeah it's got to suck to not have that anymore and not have that
opportunity like that's why with the Joseph America thing I was like well is it a bad thing that we they did this to
him like you know I don't know I know and like PT baram obviously like is bad in retrospect I know he made he made Tom
Thum super rich like he gave him like a super like right but he also did T like super racist and like weird things also
that I don't know the details of but I know that he's like not as exciting as H Jackman but but yeah also like you know
tomam got a job yeah yeah like I mean okay so PT Barnum I think was the guy
who would put people of different races up and call them a new species of human
I think that was the guy that did that and there's another thing I didn't write down here which she did which was like also kind of [ __ ] up so he found this
80-year-old blind woman who was a former slave and put her in a freak Show his
show saying that she was the oldest one on earth at 160 years old she had other
issues too I forgot what it was like she was missing like a leg and she was blind or like some there was something she was
obviously in very in a very bad way and he capitalized on it which again like
isn't nice but like I don't know maybe that was a way for her to make a living I don't know I mean it's I'm so conflicted
yeah I mean like we don't we're not going to do it anymore we should not do it anymore you
know but um I mean I'm sure there's places in the world where they do that still yeah I think there has to be yeah
yeah yeah there's there's got I mean yeah there's definitely parts of the world that that do stuff like this still to this day like I mean think of how
some of these countries treat people who are like just gay like yes no totally
yeah imagine do yeah yeah yeah precisely precisely so so uh you know this was
this Taylor this was the story that I was that I was referencing when I was researching that guy Ken Rex whatever
that guy was who got killed in Skidmore Missouri and I was like what and I asked Chad gbt when is it okay to kill
somebody oh right right so so Chad DBC obviously didn't reply to me but it but
doing res I was like I was like justifi justifiably the universe seems aligned
on two murders and it's that guy the Ken guy and then this guy which is like all
across Bo like these were the two people that I had it coming the most so yeah that's the story thank you that's
interesting yeah that's crazy yeah yeah going a little further back in time than usual I guess I mean this guy was born
in 1930s but I kind of like that I'm GNA go further back next week even further further further further further further
I gotta get back in the ancient times is you know you your story I literally
while you were talking I I typed out like what my next story is going to be because you gave me the best reminder of
one of the freakiest things I've ever read about it's not the cabin thing that we discussed earlier it's another one
that happened like very recently like in the early 2000s I would say I can't remember exactly but it was I remember
reading about this was like oh my God I can't believe I forgot about this this case and um yeah that's going to be next
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