Let's go back to a time when trains weren't automated and there was A LOT of room for human error. We talk about the 'Swiss Cheese Model' of disasters all the time and this is a classic case. Late trains, overcrowded passenger cars, neglecting to look at a log book, having the "go" sign up when it should have been "stop" - this case has it all. We'll also talk about how the story was lost in the ends of WWI and the Jim Crow south.
Let's go back to a time when trains weren't automated and there was A LOT of room for human error. We talk about the 'Swiss Cheese Model' of disasters all the time and this is a classic case. Late trains, overcrowded passenger cars, neglecting to look at a log book, having the "go" sign up when it should have been "stop" - this case has it all.
We'll also talk about how the story was lost in the ends of WWI and the Jim Crow south.
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Taylor says God Tortoise is doing well after his California vacation
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not.
>> Farz: What your country can do for you. Hello. Hello, Taylor. How are you?
>> Taylor: Good. How are you?
>> Farz: I'm doing well. I'm doing well. It's a lovely day here in Austin. I did do some swimming earlier today, which was. Which is very nice.
>> Taylor: So love it. I. We spent the week in Big Bear, which was very nice.
>> Farz: It looked amazing.
>> Taylor: I was so. Did you send you pictures of me wearing goggles? Cause I was so allergic to literally everything. I had to buy a pair of.
>> Farz: Goggles that you did not send me.
>> Taylor: I couldn't see like, half the time. My. My left eye was totally shut. And then, like, my right eye hurt so bad, and I was taking so much medication and, like, antihistamine eye drops, and it was just like two matrix for me.
>> Farz: How is my God Tortoise doing?
>> Taylor: He's good. He's a little stressed out on vacation, but he's better. He's walking around. I gave him an apple today, and he was so excited.
>> Farz: Wait, you took him?
>> Taylor: Yeah. Not leave him home alone.
>> Farz: I saw the picture you sent of him in the bathtub, and I was like, oh, she must be going through, like, old pictures or something.
>> Taylor: No, he took a bath. I did. I did very much. Walk past the ring camera at the Airbnb holding his crate, being like, I have the cooler. I have all the food, you guys. Just so they wouldn't think that I was sneaking in a bed.
>> Farz: That's so funny. Okay. That is very cute. Very cute. For some reason I thought. You know what? I mixed up your trips, and I thought the snake lady was going to take care of him. But that's your next trip.
>> Taylor: Yes, my next. My next trip. Daniel Wall, who is the amazing high desert Danny in the. In the Joshua Tree area, who will come to your house and remove a snake from your yard or your house at any time of the night. And she just does it by donation. Is wonderful. And she's going to Ben Franklin's ghost when I'm on my next trip, which is very kind.
>> Farz: That's awesome. It's always good to have a snake friend. Or reptilian friend.
>> Taylor: Exactly. Exactly.
Doomed to Fail brings you histories notorious disasters and failures
Cool.
>> Farz: You want to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yes. Hello. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you histories notorious disasters and failures. I'm Taylor, joined by farce, and we.
>> Farz: Are here today to tell you a tale. And I don't know who goes first today. Is it me?
>> Taylor: I think it's Me. I think we agreed that it would be like, me, you, me, you.
>> Farz: That's right. That's right.
>> Taylor: Yeah. If you don't, whatever, who cares? Cool. I do also want to say that your last episode got, like, a ton of listens.
>> Farz: I know, I know. I saw that. I think. I think it's because of the name of it. Devil's Venom. Like, it's, like, pretty good. Yeah, it's a great name. It's like, what is the Devil's Venom? Like, where do I find it? Is it in my soul right now?
>> Taylor: Is it just my blood mixed with holy water? Yeah. Cool. Great job.
>> Farz: Thank you. Are you going to give me an award or maybe.
>> Taylor: I don't know. Do you feel like you deserve one just. Just for that?
>> Farz: Probably not. Probably not. It's okay.
So since I'm going on a plane this week, I do have a train crash story
>> Taylor: So since I'm going on a plane this week, I don't have a plane crash story, but I do have a train crash story. Fun for you. Yeah, fun, right? I think we've done a couple times. I feel like we've talked about different types of trains. But, yeah, let me tell you about it, because I just wrote because everything is dangerous, so, like, stay inside. And then it's dangerous in there, too.
>> Farz: It is.
>> Taylor: Might as well do something. This one happened in 1918, and it's just called the Great Train Wreck of 1918 in Nashville, Tennessee. It is the deadliest train disaster in U.S. history.
>> Farz: Whoa.
>> Taylor: 101 people died, like, officially. And then over 170 people, even more were injured. So a lot of people were, you know, were hurt from it. There are worse train accidents that we can talk about later. A lot of them are, like, internationally, like, in places like India where, like, you've seen the videos, people are just, like, holding onto the train.
>> Farz: One of my favorites was some guy, like, walked over from the outside to an open window and tried to grab someone's iPhone and, like, steal it from them. And then everybody just grabbed him and held him in place, and he was just, like, panicking and freaking out. And I was like, man, you must. Things must be pretty dire if you risk your life for an iPhone like.
>> Taylor: That while the train was moving. This happens while it's moving? Yeah, in a while. Yeah, very dangerous. I've seen, like, videos. People just, like, laying on the top of the train like, you are not Indiana Jones. Yeah, that's dangerous as rough. So. But this one, this is the deadliest in the U.S. so it's July 9, 1918, and it is a beautiful day. It's around 70 degrees, and it's like a little bit humid, but not the worst. Like it's just a nice day. Weather has nothing to do with it.
Two trains run in and out of Nashville, Tennessee in the morning
But I do want to talk about like the Swiss cheese model. And I'll tell you all the holes because a lot of things wrong for this to happen. We're in and around Nashville, Tennessee, going in and out of the main station there. So we have two trains around Nashville in the morning. The train number four and train number one. Train number four is pulled by a locomotive number 282. It's a four six zero ten wheeler. So that means it has two small, like two rows of small wheels and then three roll rows of big wheels and no tailing wheels. It doesn't have anything to do with it, but it's just like the kind of train that it was.
>> Farz: Do you know what the small wheels are for?
>> Taylor: I think for like turning onto like, other tracks.
>> Farz: Okay. I don't know.
>> Taylor: Do you know?
>> Farz: No, that sounds legit.
>> Taylor: I think I feel like it makes sense to me structurally, engineering wise, that like, if you have the little ones, those can like make those precision things and the big ones follow along, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: The tracks are. Excepting train number four is pulling two mail and baggage cars and then six wooden coaches for people. And so it is again 1918. So it is like near the end of World War I. And the wooden coaches are carrying civilians. People signing up for the military going to like base to get it started. And a lot of African American people headed to work at munitions plant. Also to note that the cars are segregated. So the Jim Crow cars are in the front and then the cars for the white people are in the back of that like six. Those six wooden cars got. Departs Union Station and Nashville at 7:07am And I looked it up because, like, every city has a Union Station. And I was like, why is that? Like, what is that? What does that mean? And it just means that usually several different railroad companies would go in and create the station together. And it was just like a union of the different trains to build a station that you got and out of.
>> Farz: That makes sense.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And I know you haven't been to New York much, but if you fly into Newark, you take. You can take the train from Newark to Penn Station. And it's like really easy to get into the city, actually. I think easier than JFK or LaGuardia. But on the way from Newark to. To Penn Station, you pass Newark Penn Station and you're like, why the would you name it that? Why would you Name the station before Penn Station. Penn Station. And just call it Newark Penn Station. Call it something else. Anything else. Like, it's just so annoying. People, like, get off because they're confused and they're like, wow.
>> Farz: Is it short for something different than.
>> Taylor: No, it's just like, this is the Newark Penn Station and this is the New York Penn Station. And you're like, why would you.
>> Farz: Always competing, always.
>> Taylor: What's wrong with you, New Jersey? Get over yourself. So it departs Union Station at 7:07am Meanwhile, train number one is pulled by locomotive 281. They're the same kind of locomotive, same kind of train. It's heading into Nashville from Memphis and it's kind of been out all night. It has one baggage car, six wooden coaches, and two steel sleeping cars. It is 35 minutes behind schedule. It was scheduled to arrive at 7:10, but it's 35 minutes behind, which is our first hole.
>> Farz: Got it.
>> Taylor: You know, so to get in and out of the station, There is a 10 mile stretch of single track. So you can only hold obviously one train at a time. Because it's one track, you can just do one. Doesn't really make sense to me why you'd have that, why you wouldn't just make two tracks, but there's one track goes both ways. So there's also in the track, there's a blind curve called the Dutch Man's Curve that I was like, why is it called that? Is that like a cute name for like something dangerous? But it really is just because the land around the Dutch Man's Curve was owned by some, a farmer who was like Dutch or German and they just needed that.
>> Farz: Okay, makes sense.
>> Taylor: Does that make sense? Because, like, you know how like a lot of people who were called Dutch were actually German because they said Deutsch and people didn't. So, like, the Pennsylvania Dutch are actually German.
>> Farz: Seriously?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: I didn't know that.
>> Taylor: Yeah, because they just like heard the word Deutsch, which means German in German, and they were like, oh, the Dutch.
>> Farz: No, I mean, I get it now.
>> Taylor: Anyway, so Dutchman's Curve is a. Is a blind curve about a blind turn that we're going to talk about in a minute. So the rules are that the inbound train number one coming into the Nashville has the right of way, and so the number four has to wait for the other train to come in. So the. They were told by like the train, by the Union Station people that train number four needs to physically see train number one past a certain point before it can Go. So it needs to pass a point called Shops Junction, which is just like a junction. They see it go past that, then they can go on and start going on that 10 mile one way thing. Shops Junction also has a tower where there's a person kind of like overlooking everything that's happening. But it's only one guy. That's a lot for him to look at.
>> Farz: Yeah, sounds like air traffic control.
>> Taylor: He has a lot like air traffic control. And like there's no, nothing's automatic obviously. You know, it's just like look around and like you have your. They can telegraph each other like from tower to tower, but it's not like even anything better. You know what I mean? Yeah. So. So that's what they're supposed to do.
Number four conductor was collecting tickets when the wrong train passed
Number four is supposed to wait. So here's the next hole. Is that the, the number four conductor, his name was James Shorty Eubank was collecting tickets. It was really, really busy. So the train was like overcrowded and he was busy collecting tickets and he didn't have time to visually confirm that the number one had passed. So he kind of asked someone else to do it. Someone else said, yeah, maybe we should do it. But no one really was in like responsible. I mean Eubank was responsible but he passed it on to someone else. But no one really took up the thing to actually be the person to visually confirm that I passed. And then someone on the number four did see a train go by. So they were like, that must be it. But it was the wrong train, it wasn't the one they were looking for. And they were like, we can probably just go. So they are like approaching the Shops Junction where they think they may have seen a train go by. And the, the operator at Chops Junction, his name is JS Johnson, he has the clear sign up as like default, which you should have the stop sign up as default. Yeah, you know, that's another hole. That's another hole. And it reminds me a little bit of. And I don't know why I remember this but like just like the not having automation when like we were talking about the Indianapolis being missing for like seven days and I was like, your number one job in the Navy is to know where all your f****** boats are.
>> Farz: You know, you would think you would.
>> Taylor: You would think, you know, like, how many boats do we have someone Ray down. So like I feel like this is a lot for, for Johnson to have to look at in that tower. He's probably looking at like multiple junctions, multiple trains coming in. It is very, very busy and Again, like, the weather's great, he can see everything, but it's still very busy. That also just made me think of like, how many, like in places where there are more trains like that, like New York and Chicago and Nashville. Like, I imagine there's times when you cannot see that far because there's like fog, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah. I mean, look, even to this day, like, yeah, now we have automated processes, but even those aren't going to be like, foolproof. I'm thinking about like when dc, the DC Metro situation happened where just like things got like tech went and got outdated and they run into each other. I mean, it's all fraught. It's very terrifying when you sling really big objects at each other.
>> Taylor: Yeah, exactly. And like the actual, like the very last thing is like your eyes.
No one heard emergency whistle that Johnson turned on
So we're at the Shops Junction, J.S. johnson, he accidentally has a clear sign up, which is not good. He realizes that he had not seen number one. And so there is. It should not have been clear. It should have been assignments as danger. Like clear or danger should have been danger. But it was too late to stop train number four from going through. So he telegraphs to another tower and the telegraph says he meets number one there. Can you stop him? And I think what he meant was like trying to stop train number four from like going any further, but they weren't able to stop it because no one heard the emergency whistle that Johnson like turned on. Like, there was no. Another thing is there should have been a crew member at the back of number four. Just like being at the back, make sure everything was okay back there. But there was not because everyone was in the front taking all those tickets and doing everything else. So no one heard it when they did it.
>> Farz: Wow.
>> Taylor: Because I imagine it's also like super loud.
>> Farz: That also reminds me of the Titanic because if you remember, the California was like two miles away from it. But they like shut off all their like, telecom stuff.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: At night. And it was like. So they were screaming into the night, but like they could have heard it if somebody was just listening.
>> Taylor: Oh, terrible. I hate that. I hate that.
Number four and number one collided head on during 1918 train wreck
So number one. So number four is going down this 10 mile path. They're heading out of Nashville and then they're heading into the Dutchman's Curve and they're going 50 to 60 miles per hour, which is pretty fast.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's very fast.
>> Taylor: They're going. They're going pretty fast. And number one is coming the other direction and it is also going the same, the same speed. So they're both coming 50 miles per hour straight at each other. The engineer of number four, his name was David C. Kennedy. He did see number one coming for just a second. He slammed on the brakes, but it was too late. So David c. Kennedy was 71 years old, and he had been working for just, like, less than an hour before. Before this happened. They. When they found his body, he had the timetables and a watch look underneath his body, like he was, like, trying to do a good job, but, like, it just was like he couldn't have stopped it in time, you know. The engineer of number one never got a chance to hit the brakes at all. He probably just turned the corner, saw the train, gasped, and died.
>> Farz: That's probably the better way to do it, though. That's probably the better way to go.
>> Taylor: It is. But I have terrible news. His name was. No, he died. His name was William Lloyd. It was his last day at work before retirement.
>> Farz: That's bad. That sucks.
>> Taylor: Sucks. I think that happens in, like, police dramas.
>> Farz: I know.
>> Taylor: You know, so, yeah, that's terrible. So he didn't have a chance. Didn't. He probably barely saw it and. And died. They crashed head on. Obviously. The explosion was heard for miles over. Like, 50,000 people end up, like, coming and, like, trying to, like, either help or look or, like, be around it, because that's like, the thing to do, you know?
>> Farz: Right, right.
>> Taylor: You know, like, there's this, like. You know, if there's a disaster, you just go to it because you're. What else are you doing?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I don't know. It's 1918. Being afraid of the war. I'm not sure. So the engines exploded into the air. The first few cars telescoped into each other, which I know we've talked about before, where it just, like, scrapes into the other car, everything, and it gets destroyed.
>> Farz: Yeah. So scary.
>> Taylor: The worst. So all of the baggage is destroyed. The three number. The three wooden cars on number one were thrown from the tracks, but the rest of them and the sleeper cars were okay. So only, like, the first couple of. Of cars from number one were thrown off the track on train number four. The first five cars derailed, which is like the two baggage cars and the first two of the passenger cars. And then the others stayed on. But as you'll remember, that means that, like, most of the people who died were black people because they were in the front.
>> Farz: That's right.
>> Taylor: You know, which is. I think I'll talk about it later. Part of the reason why this isn't like, a more famous story because it's sort of like an underreported community.
>> Farz: Yeah, of course.
>> Taylor: You know, so a s*** ton of people died. Over a hundred. The cars, the wooden cars specifically, were crushed and splintered. There was a fire, obviously. We talked about that. I think in the circus train wreck as well, that like, when everything's made out of fire and your lamps are fire and your mode of end of energy is fire, like you were going to catch on fire.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's all kindling.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So one person said that there was blood running down the aisle, like water, and then when they were like cleaning it up, they were like wheelbarrowing out limbs. You know, like a lot of people were never identified by their bodies just because they were just so unbelievably torn apart.
>> Farz: You know what I imagine is like the freakiest part, if you were experiencing this, if you survive, is like the quiet. Yeah, it's like everything's quiet. But then you look around and it's like a scene. Like the elevator scene from the Shining.
>> Taylor: It's just like. Yeah. And like, I think in those situations, like the first car accident. I've been in several car accidents, and the first one I was ever in, my friend and I got hit from behind. We were like in a left turn lane. And I remember I was holding a Diet Coke and I remember looking at my Diet Coke and it was exploding in front of me. I was like, what is happening? You know, because we were spinning, but I didn't know we were spinning. The first thing I knew was like, my Coke was exploding.
>> Farz: So weird.
>> Taylor: It was so weird. You're like. You're like, what is. What is going on? So it's definitely like the what is happening thing. One guy was brought all the way to the morgue and then he was still alive.
Of the people that we know, Kennedy died in the collision
They thought they found him moving in his thing. So good for him. Scary for the people at the morgue that day.
>> Farz: Yeah, no kidding.
>> Taylor: So of the people that we know, Kennedy, who is the engineer of the. Of train number four, he died in the collision. He was thrown from the engine. And he's another one. Oh, I think maybe it was him who. His. His watch and timetable were found near him. Like he was trying to figure out where they were going. Lloyd, the engineer died as well. Oh, no, that. No, Kennedy was the one. One of the conductors. Another conductor died. The train porter. Our number four died. He was like a prominent member of the black community in Nashville. His name was Major George L. Hall. Major was just like a. A nice nickname for him. Some. Everyone knew and liked J.S. johnson, who's in the tower. He didn't. Wasn't injured. Obviously he wasn't near there, but he was like really messed up for like the rest of his life, obviously, because that happened. And again, a lot of the people who died were from the military. They were being sent to start basic training or they were in the gym crow cars in the front of the train. So a lot of little things happened. But then like, who is fault? Is it like ultimately. Because there has to be someone whose fault it is.
>> Farz: You know, it's a conductor.
>> Taylor: Yeah. No, it's actually the engineer. I don't know if that makes. If you have that, it's enough for you.
>> Farz: Wait. What's interesting? Engineering. The conductor.
>> Taylor: The conductor, I think, was like in charge of the entire train, but the engineer is in the locomotive in the front of the train. You know, so the. The in train number four, Eubank, who was the conductor, was the one who was supposed to do like the visual lookout to start. He was also supposed to like check the timetables before he left. He's supposed to do a couple of things that he didn't do. And he was busy taking tickets. The engineer never would have like stopped his job to take tickets.
>> Farz: Right, right.
>> Taylor: You know, like he's the one who's like pressing the gas, whatever that means. You know, the.
>> Farz: I think he's shoveling coal in the engine.
>> Taylor: No, I think you have guys to do that. I think you're pushing the buttons. Okay, but, but. But I don't know if you. If you're a train conductor. Yeah.
>> Farz: You're a train conductor on a steam engine from 1918. Please let us know.
>> Taylor: Please email us. Doom to Philippa. And that's exactly how that works. So ultimately it was Kennedy the engineer. So engineer number four. So the engineer of the train coming out of Nashville, they. They're the ones who should have seen that number one wasn't there. They should have done a bunch of things. And so they said that like the conductor should have looked, should have done more things. But in 1924, the U went all the way up to the US Supreme Court and they ruled that it was the personal duty of the engineer to positively ascertain that another train had passed. So it was specifically Kennedy's fault. Even though a lot of things happened, but like by the law. Was that.
>> Farz: Did he get skewered?
>> Taylor: He was already dead.
>> Farz: Oh, he's already dead. Yep. Okay.
>> Taylor: Yeah, he was dead. Didn't matter. He was dead. So other things that happened, you know, that. That like, contributed to it. So ultimately it was Kennedy's fault. But other things that happened, obviously, like the shops junction tower should have had that danger sign up by default. The whistle should have been louder. They both Kennedy and Eubank. So the conductor and the engineer of number four should have checked the train registrar register at Union Station because literally, like a book that says, like, this train has arrived, check, you know? Yeah, checking it off and they should look at it before. But it wasn't necessarily a rule. It was like a nice to do.
>> Farz: Right, right.
It's World War I and there's so much train activity during wartime
>> Taylor: But, like, eventually they also are going to find that, like, the Union Station needs a s*** ton more rules and we need to follow them very precisely. Also, there wasn't anything automatic. Like I said, like, obviously, like, there's nothing. Just people taking a lookout for things and pressing buttons. And then also a big part of it is that It's World War I and there's so much train activity, you know, and like, I always think about there's so much train activity in wartime, which reminds me of like, seven different stories. But did you know, did you hear how, like, the train tracks in Russia are a different size than the rest of Europe?
>> Farz: No.
>> Taylor: I think I heard that in the beginning of, like, a couple other things. Maybe, maybe not anymore. But they were during the World War II, so it was, like, hard for them to move stuff across. You know, there's like, always train stuff also. When I was in high school, one of my teachers, his job in, like, the 70s had been to, like, track where trains were in America on a giant map in case they needed to move, like, nuclear bombs around. Seriously weird stuff. Yeah, he, like, worked in, like, a bunker because they need. Because, like, there are probably bombs on trains right now just, like, getting ready to go or, like, moving around, you know, like, there's also, like, weird train infrastructure that has to do specifically with war. Again, if you are a wartime train person, please call me. I want to hear a lot about your job. So because it's World War I, schedules are insane. Number four was very, very crowded. One of the engineers, number one, had been working for 10 hours straight. Like, these people, there's the understaffed. There's a lot going on. And also the wooden. The. The wooden cars are just, like, the worst possible thing you can be in.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Of course, the Interstate Commerce Commission and the ICC, which has chain reports, I think up until 1993, their conclusion was that had the tower operator kept his signal at stop, had the conductor diligently monitor for the closing train, or had the crew checked the Register as required. The accident would not have happened. So just like it's always like that.
>> Farz: It's like if this.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Afterwards, the. The Dutchman's Pass was open by sunset, so it was open by nighttime. Because they have to keep moving, you know, like, there's still a lot of people to move around. Wooden cars are going to start to be banned and eventually phased out of, like, the US Rail system after this. And then like, the other kind of sad thing is that it was only in the paper for like a day and a half, and then it was out because there was war news and it was a Spanish flu and a lot of the victims are black. And a lot of reasons that, like, it just. It was a terrible tragedy, but only seen in the news cycle, like one day.
>> Farz: Yeah, I never heard of this.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And then people kind of forgot about it and that's it.
It shows how many simple things can go wrong when flying
>> Farz: So I got a little side story that's kind of similar that I just learned that I thought you might get a kick out of. But it shows how many simple things can go wrong. I'm still on my kick of watching, like, plane crash videos on YouTube. And there's this one that just blew my mind. I'll tell a real quick story. It was this one airport, I think it was, like, in South America or Central America or something. But, like, it was. They had this one problem with this specific species of wasps that would go into the pitot tubes of airplanes. And the pitot tubes are those, like, things that you look on the outside underneath, like the cockpit, from the outside of the plane. It's like a little like a straight line that like, ejects out from the side of the plane. And what it is, is a hollow hole. And that is the thing that determines airspeed of a plane. And so these wasps would go into these hollow holes and make nests. And then you get in the air, and then you don't know your airspeed. So you don't know if you're going too fast, if you're going too slow. You don't know how to slow down for a landing. It's a. It's a horrible disaster. Anyways, this one airline, it stopped operating out of that location for about a year or something. And it was during that exact time that a bulletin went out to all airlines saying that if you're operating here, you have to put on covers to your pedot tubes, even if you're on the ground for 30 minutes. And they didn't get this bulletin because it went out of circulation exactly when they started servicing that area, so they didn't know this was even a thing. They asked for maintenance from the airport to come help them out. The maintenance puts the pitot tube covers on and then they just like do their stuff. They leave. The pilots inspect the outside of the plant. Like they're looking at these covers that are hanging down and are very obvious. They just aren't registering that that's not supposed to be there when I'm flying. And so they take off with the d*** pitot tube covers on and yeah, it crashes and kills everyone because they didn't know what their airspeed was. It's just stuff like that where it's like, it's like this bulletin went out the wrong time. They stopped servicing the airline airport at the wrong time. Like the guy, all of it just. It was incredible.
>> Taylor: What year was that?
>> Farz: That would have been like the night, like early 2000s.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: That's crazy.
>> Farz: But something so simple. It's something so simple.
>> Taylor: But you wouldn't think like bees could take down a plane, but they can.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: In the right way.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I was talking to my boss about how at least one positive thing about all this is like, you know, how you ever, if you ever feel this, I mean, everything and climate change specifically you're talking about. But I was like, if you ever feel like you're insignificant, just remember that humans took down an entire planet.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, who, who would have thought we could have done it? If wasps can take down an airplane, humans can take down planet Earth.
>> Farz: You know, it's funny, I was going to say one O mankind for. Against nature, but I'm pretty sure it's actually like 50 billion to one.
>> Taylor: It was we, they, they. Nature won a lot of battles, but.
>> Farz: We won a lot. We won.
>> Taylor: We won the war. Meaning we are all going to die.
>> Farz: Kudos, everyone.
>> Taylor: Congratulations.
>> Farz: Sweet. Well, that was not a fun story, but that was an interesting one. Like I said, I've never heard of this one. And I'm someone that likes to think I'm up to speed on all kinds of disasters and crises.
>> Taylor: I also like, it scares me when things happen when, like you're probably asleep, like 7 o' clock in the morning. Oh, I don't want to die at seven in the morning.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, like, that's just such a time of the day that I don't like.
>> Farz: I mean, if you're asleep, it's probably the best way to go.
>> Taylor: Yeah. You probably wouldn't even notice.
>> Farz: I wouldn't even notice.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Very final destinationy. I like it.
>> Taylor: It is. It's good.
>> Farz: Sweet.
Taylor: You've been diligent about putting together cross pollinate episodes
Well, thank you for sharing. Do you have any listener mail about my exquisite episode?
>> Taylor: No, but I do have something from our friend Nadine. Her family, they read together a Agatha Christie story, the Murder of Roger Ackroyd, which is one that. I meant to say this to Nadine, but like, it's a really good one. I've read it twice. In both times I've been like surprised by who the murderer was. Oh, nice. I like forgot, you know. And then I read again. I was like, oh, so it's fun. But then they, her family listened to our Agatha Christie episode, which is super nice.
>> Farz: Very cool.
>> Taylor: So I'm glad to put those things together and read some Agatha Christie if you haven't.
>> Farz: And you've been diligent about putting together our episodes that kind of cross pollinate.
>> Taylor: Yes, I put a lot of. I was like, well, I'm like, obviously, like, what do we do? How do we get like, what do we do? And then. So like we have. The advice that I get a lot from the Internet is like, have one thing. And I'm like, well, I don't want to do one thing. And then so we have a bunch of things. So I'm just trying to be like, maybe a gateway into, into listening to more things would be like. So I did medieval history and did engineering disasters. And then I have a bunch of ones I think for next week. If you look at our episode guide, I like tagged everything I was going to do. Oh, I was going to maybe do natural disasters or you redo.
>> Farz: Yeah, I mean we have a whole series on volcanoes.
>> Taylor: No, I know. I mean there I have here, here, here are the categories that I put them into. But I think that there are more since I even since I did this. So ancient history, animals, art, business, engineering disasters, literature, medicine, murder, medieval disasters, natural disasters, other history, other wars, planes, politics, pop culture, pride, religion, sports, women, and just World War II in general.
>> Farz: Biographical. A bunch of those could cross into biographical.
>> Taylor: I edit it anyway.
>> Farz: Sweet.
>> Taylor: Thank you.
>> Farz: No, thank you.
>> Taylor: And I'm going to put together more of those and they fun. And the episodes are fun because it's just like nine minutes of me telling you what I remember from every of the episodes.
>> Farz: So that's very cool.
>> Taylor: I do no editing. I just talk about what I remember from episodes that I think are medieval history and then we go from there.
>> Farz: I'm glad you're doing it because. Because you know how my memory, you know how my memory is.
>> Taylor: I do, I do that's why I recorded it for you. The whole thing.
>> Farz: Sweet. Well, find us on all the Socials. Doom to fall Pod, write to us@doomdefellpodgmail.com and we'll join you again in a week from now. Thanks, Taylor.
>> Taylor: Thanks.