Let's talk about whales, from what we do and do not know about mammals, to the incredible things that animals have to endure!
Let's talk about whales, from what we do and do not know about mammals, to the incredible things that animals have to endure!
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
Taylor: I went and saw Weapons this weekend
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096. And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.
>> Farz: Hello, Taylor, how are you?
>> Taylor: Good. How are you?
>> Farz: I'm good. I went and saw Weapons this weekend. I just had to tell you, I.
>> Taylor: Have not seen anything except the poster where it said the kids disappear at 2 in the morning, but it's, like, definitely not dark out when they disappear. And that was my only note. And then Florence said that she saw a trailer for it, which makes no sense that a child would see a trailer for that and that it looks scary.
>> Farz: It is. That is bad algorithm activity for them to serve that to her.
>> Taylor: But I did see Naked Gun, and it was so f****** funny. I can't even. It was, like, so good to laugh like. Like that. I haven't laughed like that in a movie in a very long time.
>> Farz: I heard that. I've heard that from other people.
>> Taylor: And also, I don't feel like that's. I don't even feel like that's building it up for you. I feel like you're still gonna laugh, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah, no, totally. I actually also am thrilled with this revival Pamela Anderson that we're experiencing.
>> Taylor: I'm obsessed. Like, like, every woman in America, I'm obsessed.
>> Farz: Why's everyone.
>> Taylor: Because it's just, like, so lovely. She just, like, she looks awesome. She doesn't look fake or weird or she isn't trying to not be, you know, a woman who's in her 50s, you know, she just looks beautiful and she looks happy and she marries so many. You know, she married Kid Rock for, like, a month. Ew.
>> Farz: I didn't know that.
>> Taylor: So I feel like she just deserves a good man.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. And for Liam Neeson, too, because I didn't know this, but when his wife died, he basically just didn't see a date anyone for, like, 16 years. And I think Pale Anderson's, like, one of the first.
>> Taylor: You know, and he's like, yeah. And it was, like, terrible because his wife fell and hit her head.
>> Farz: Yeah. It was like a ski accident, right?
>> Taylor: Yeah. She wasn't even skiing. She was just standing in her skis and she fell.
>> Farz: Ugh. For them. It's a good movie Summer. I will say that.
>> Taylor: It is. It is.
>> Farz: Well, I'll be honest. Okay. Like, don't nobody shoot me or write in, but, like, I didn't think weapons was that good.
>> Taylor: Well, I just don't know anything about it, so let's talk about it later.
>> Farz: Okay. All right.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: Watch a trailer. And then if you want to know if you watch trailer and decide whether you're going to see it or not, if you're not going to see them, we can talk about it.
>> Taylor: Okay, I'm probably going to see it, but probably, like, in a stolen way.
>> Farz: Great. Let's record that as well.
>> Taylor: Put me in jail. Wait, let me.
>> Farz: Oh, yeah, you got to. Forgot.
Doomed to Fail brings you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures
>> Taylor: Hello. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you history's most notorious disasters and epic failures. And today, far as this turn. And I'm Taylor. I'm just here for the banter.
>> Farz: Yeah. So just here for the banter. I will say again, we got a lot of nice comments about my Morgan's Wonderland episode. And also, it was one of, like, the lowest performing episodes we ever pushed out, which was amazing. Which one was Morgan's Wonderland?
>> Taylor: Oh, is it really so funny?
>> Farz: I mean, it didn't do terribly, but it was. It was like we were on this, like, uptick of every episode. It got, like, a little bit more and more. And that's the first one, like, just goes the other direction, dude. So you guys want bad things? Clearly. I will say somebody from Morgan's Wonderland did write to me because it wasn't podcast related, but I let them know we did an episode about them. They're really thankful they wrote back. I was like, oh, my God, this is incredible. So those.
>> Taylor: That's so nice. Good for you.
>> Farz: So I'm going to cover something that's, like, sort of heartwarming and sort of not. I don't know. I'm trying to find my way back to being gory.
>> Taylor: I'm ready. I haven't eaten today. I've had two iced coffees. I'm drinking. Glass of wine.
>> Farz: Hey, it is a. It is a Sunday. That's what we do.
>> Taylor: Tomorrow's back to school. So summer's over. This is it.
>> Farz: They went back.
>> Taylor: Our last tomorrow is first day of school. So this is it. We did it. We had a great summer.
>> Farz: You can finally relax.
>> Taylor: I had such a relaxing last two weeks when the kids weren't home. It was insane. The house was so clean. We went to every restaurant in town, went to the movies. Like, it was wonderful. Speaking of which, they came back and it's like a tornado is in this house.
>> Farz: Speaking of kids, I got to hang out with our friends Beth and Jay twice this week. Once last night, once on Wednesday, and it was really fun.
>> Taylor: Do you have pictures?
>> Farz: I do. I'll send you a picture. I did not take a picture of the baby. But that's okay. It's okay.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I care. I care about what the grownups look like, too.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. That's important.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I like them.
We are going to discuss whale entrapment and what we've done
>> Farz: Okay, so we are going to discuss one of humanity's favorite animals and one of the most perilous situations that they find themselves in and what we've done to help them.
>> Taylor: Give me a hint. Panda.
>> Farz: That is love.
>> Taylor: Don't you just guess animals?
>> Farz: But I feel like. I feel like pandas don't put themselves on, actually. I think. I guess everything they do is kind of perilous. They keep falling backwards.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And they just, like, aren't trying to have more babies.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Try harder, you guys.
>> Farz: Yeah, I'm kidding. No, it's not pandas I'm going to be discussing Will entrapment. I have a really good joke because I wrote down here that despite what you think, whale entrapment is not. When the government influences a whale to do something illegal that it wouldn't have done otherwise. That's my bet.
>> Taylor: I like it. That was very funny.
>> Farz: Do you have any idea what it.
>> Taylor: Is trapping whales to keep them safe, to keep them unsafe?
>> Farz: Not quite.
>> Taylor: To trick them into doing something illegal.
>> Farz: It's trapped whales, but nobody's doing it to them.
>> Taylor: Interesting. Is it the pandas? Huh?
>> Farz: Yeah, it's like pandas that round whales up.
>> Taylor: Okay, go ahead.
>> Farz: So I'm saying whales, but I'm actually referring to like cetaceans, which is like the broader term for whales, dolphins, all that kind of stuff. I'm sure with that. So whales are obviously mammals, which means they breathe air. And entrapment is when they become trapped in otherwise passable waters due to rapid ice expansion. And it's inspired a lot of human activity and even inspired a movie with John Krasinski and Drew Barrymore.
>> Taylor: I remember that movie.
>> Farz: Do you remember what it's called?
>> Taylor: Entrapment. The whales saga.
>> Farz: It's all like black and white and has like weird neon green colors that.
>> Taylor: Might have made it better. I don't think it was very good, but continue.
>> Farz: It probably wasn't.
Ice entrapment is when whale or whale pod enter an open water area
So let's first start with how they get trapped. So the one we're going to cover quite a bit later on the heart warming slash quarry side of things, is the version of entrapment that people are probably most familiar with, which is the type called ice entrapment. And this is when the whale or whale pod enter an open water area. But while they're there, a sudden freeze hits or dramatic change of winds cause ice to compact together or it can happen because a thing called a poly polynes closes and that's basically just like an empty space in the middle of like an ice shelf. Like, ice is frozen over, then there's like an empty space, and that's a polynes.
>> Taylor: Why is it empty?
>> Farz: So a variety of reasons. So it could be because the current underneath the water is moving rapidly, cool, warm water up in that, in the water column, or it can have to do with something else we discussed, which are catabolic, cannabotic, catabolic winds, which are rapid gravity descending winds, which can freeze up ice right up until it hits like a ledge where the pollyannis is, and then it will freeze beyond that.
>> Taylor: Got it. I mean, sort of hidden you. I mean, I'm not going to write a paper about it, but I got.
>> Farz: It for the most part. So those can be lifelines for an entrapped whale to breathe. Like, that would be the only. That could be the only place within miles for it to come out and actually breach and breathe.
Taylor: I didn't realize that mammals have to breathe air
>> Taylor: I have another stupid question.
>> Farz: Please.
>> Taylor: I haven't even asked one yet. This is my first stupid question of the day. I didn't realize that mammals have to breathe air. I thought it was that they had hair and birthed live babies, but is that not true?
>> Farz: How long have you believed that for?
>> Taylor: Probably up until this moment, years. Yes.
>> Farz: So, yes.
>> Taylor: How long do you believe that?
>> Farz: So, yes, mammals have to breathe air.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: Whales are not fish.
>> Taylor: Just asking the important questions so other people don't have to ask them.
>> Farz: Thank you. Yes, yes. You are the voice of the audience, Taylor.
>> Taylor: Yes, I'm sure.
>> Farz: You know what? I bet a lot of people out there were like one or the same thing.
>> Taylor: I bet two.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: Didn't you?
>> Farz: So a second form of entrapment is when they enter fjords, estuaries or rivers with no easy or obvious way out. That can happen because they are sick, disoriented. Maybe they're following a prey somewhere. Apparently their echolocation. Okay, let me stop. Do you know what echolocation is?
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Okay, explain it, explain it.
>> Taylor: So it is when you as a bat or a whale, put out a noise and the way the noise bounces back tells you what is in front of you.
>> Farz: Yeah, that's basically it.
>> Taylor: Did you ever see Finding Dory?
>> Farz: Yeah, of course.
>> Taylor: Remember when the girl whale is like, ooh, ooh. Or like whatever, the other whale, he can't do it. Or like one of the whales can't do it, he tries to do it. He's always like, ooh, he just like can't get it right.
>> Farz: Well, Dory also did that in fighting Nemo.
>> Taylor: Did she?
>> Farz: She was. I can speak whale and she starts making the sounds. So apparently echolocation is not useful in tight compact areas like a fjord or river because the acoustic bounce back. Just historians, the wh, they might also enter these areas because like man made issues might arise, like ship sonar can disorient them because it works the same way. It bounces sound off and then the ship collects data on the way back.
>> Taylor: How is their eyesight? Is it poor?
>> Farz: I don't know. I would assume it's pretty. It's got, I mean, what's the point of eyesight if you're like in the deep ocean? What do you need it for?
>> Taylor: I don't know. To see other whales.
>> Farz: You can't see anything. There's no sunlight.
>> Taylor: To read books.
>> Farz: To read books? Yeah.
>> Taylor: On your Kindle. So it's kind of lit up, you know, it's like a little bit lit up because the candle lights up in the dark.
>> Farz: If I find, if I go to the next little market thing and there's a bookmark of a whale reading, I'm going to get it for you.
>> Taylor: Thank you. Thank you. I am using the bookmark that you got me. Thank you. I appreciate it.
>> Farz: Love it.
Whales can maintain their breath between 18 to 25 minutes in ice entrapment
So in any of these situations, like a fjord estuary or river, the whale is basically like stuck. It doesn't know how to get back out into open water or in the case of ice entrapment, it's. It physically can't get to open water even if it knew how to. The species of cetaceans that get ice entrapped the most often are going to be belugas, narwhals and bowhead whales. The record time they can, any of them can keep their breath like maximum levels. They can maintain their breath, but it varies among species a little bit, but between 18 to 25 minutes.
>> Taylor: Oh wow. That's not long at all.
>> Farz: I thought so too.
>> Taylor: I thought you were going to be like hours.
>> Farz: Right?
>> Taylor: Hours. And then I thought so too. But that like that I felt, I thought that they would be more than that.
>> Farz: You know what's funny is remember when you did your bird, your pigeon episode and it was how do they navigate and sleep? Like do birds sleep? Was a question. And it was like they have this like hemisphere in their brain where half their brain turns off and sleeps and the other half stays on and maintains navigation and flight. These guys do the same thing. The half their brain goes to sleep and the other half just, like, is awake and knows, like, now I gotta breach and breathe.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: Yeah, right?
>> Taylor: Cause I have to sleep.
>> Farz: Right?
>> Taylor: That's interesting. Okay, continue. That's awesome.
>> Farz: The thing I asked myself was, why don't they just take, like, a super deep breath and then swim under the ice? That's where my logic was. And there's several reasons for it. First off, like, they don't know where open water is.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: The ice above them creates the same issues I described earlier with echolocation. It just bounces and gets refracted without providing any clear info on what direction to go. The ice can be continuous for miles. So even if they guess right on which direction to go, they might not make it on the breath hold on the other side.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: And here's another fun fact I didn't know. Whales know they have to breathe air. I never thought about that. But wills actually know they have to breathe air. So here's the thing.
>> Taylor: So they're worried.
>> Farz: Yeah, exactly. Like, they're weird. Like, hey, there's a chance I might not make it before I have to do this thing I have to do to stay alive.
>> Taylor: I was going to say, I wonder what they're talking about.
>> Farz: Yeah. So I didn't. I mean, I should have known this. I don't know. Maybe you didn't know this either. Now that I know what you know and don't know.
In humans, we breathe involuntarily, right? Did you know that
So in humans, we breathe involuntarily, right? Did you know that?
>> Taylor: Well, yes. Because if you've ever done that thing where you think about it and then you're like, oh, my God, what if I stop thinking about it? I'm gonna forget how to breathe. And then in five minutes, you already forgotten and you just breathe.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Well, I thought you think about it.
>> Farz: I thought it in the context of, like, man, if I was drowning, like, I would. I would just, like, hold my breath. Like, there's no chance. I just wouldn't. I wouldn't. And you can't. Like, your muscles and your lungs won't let you. Like, you. You have to do it. In our case, it is involuntary. But in the case of whales, they have to think about it. Like, they can't just involuntarily do it because if they did, they're underwater the whole time. They just drown. So, you know, they have to breathe. It's crazy. I never thought about that.
>> Taylor: Right. Because they have to do, like, an action doesn't just happen.
>> Farz: Right.
>> Taylor: Seriously.
>> Farz: So basically, like, yeah, what was crazy about that was, like, they're assessing the Access to open air before deciding to leave to pursue open water to get air, which is kind of gnarly. I didn't. I didn't think they would be that smart, but it makes sense.
>> Taylor: They are pretty smart.
>> Farz: An example of these. These situations happened in 2013 in Hudson Bay near Quebec, when 20 beluga whales gathered around two small breathing holds holes amidst 60 continuous miles of frozen ice.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: And the pod wasn't discovered until after, like, after 19 of the 20 had been basically just hunted and killed off by polar bears because, like, they were all around this little hole. Like, they knew they needed to be around the hole. And the polar bear was like, oh, I just, like, pick them out. Which is, like, crazy. Like, how strong is a polar bear? Just pick up a whale and rip it out of the water.
>> Taylor: Polar bears are so scary. I feel like I can't believe they're real. They're literally like abominable Snowman, Like, a huge invisible monster that will kill you.
>> Farz: And we turned them into, like, these playful things that we put into, like, snow globes and, like, bought, like, bought Cokes from, like, oh, my God.
>> Taylor: My dad used to work at the zoo in Chicago, and they had these, like, polar bear ornaments that were, like, fuzzy. And one lady asked if it was a real polar bear fur. My dad was like, yes, we hunt an endangered f****** species and make Christmas ornaments of them and sell them for $12 at the zoo.
>> Farz: They could have done it the way jackass used to do where, like, their friends would be asleep and they'd walk over and just shave the hair off their head.
>> Taylor: Yes. Oh, yes. What a job that would be. What do you do? I shoot polar bears.
>> Farz: It's like, who. Who am I replacing?
>> Taylor: Do you know what color polar bear fur is? Just before we finish, should be white. It's clear.
>> Farz: Really?
>> Taylor: I know that because I have children. And that's like a children fun fact that you learn.
>> Farz: It's clear. And we just see it as white because of the snow around them.
>> Taylor: Because their skin is white. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like, if their skin was brown, it would. They would it. They would look brown, but their skin is white.
>> Farz: Well, that is a fun fact. I never knew that.
>> Taylor: Well, have a kid, you learn a bunch of stuff.
>> Farz: All right, well, get working on that.
Typically, local tribes or communities rescue trapped whales
So I couldn't find what happened to the last will. So 19 of the 20 were killed off by polar bears. I assume that because the hunters found the whale, they just, like, killed it and harvested it. But I don't. I don't know for sure. Maybe that or it drowned and went to the bottom. Who knows? Typically, local tribes or communities who encounter ice and trap whales try to come to their rescue. And it happens, like, fairly frequently. I'll read off like a super bridge list of known entrapments because it happens all the freaking time, apparently. Just give you a sense of how frequent it is. But people try to use chainsaws to expand the breathing hole or provide fresh fish to the whales to kind of reduce their stress level. Sometimes it works. Most of the time it doesn't. In 1984, a Chukchi hunter stumbled across a huge population of beluga whales clustered around a small area of open water amidst, like a giant ice shelf. I have no clue how they identified the number of individuals in this cluster, but reports say there was 3,000 of them, which feels like a lot of count because they all look the same. This is.
>> Taylor: It's like one guy that keeps coming up. He's like wearing a mustache.
>> Farz: I know. Soccer robots, except. Or, man, I can't remember. Whatever. Whack a mole. That's what I was going for. So this was in Chukchi Peninsula, which looks to be the easternmost tip of Siberia. And in that situation, locals fed the trapped whales fish and tried cutting open the air holes to make it wide to help mitigate it from freezing back up. Nearly two months after they'd been discovered, a Soviet icebreaker called the Muskva made its way there through the Bering Strait or the Bering Sea to break open the 12th foot thick ice. That's how. Is that crazy?
>> Taylor: That's cool.
>> Farz: Surrounding that breathing hole. The wheels just would not leave the area, even after they'd cleared the area of the floating ice, until the icebreaker started playing classical music over its loudspeakers, which is so cute. Wheels are so smart.
>> Taylor: Well, they were like, we get free food here.
>> Farz: You have free food? Yeah. And then, yeah, they played the music and then the whales followed the ship out to open water, which was kind of cool.
>> Taylor: That is lovely, isn't it? Yes.
>> Farz: You were going to say something else. I cut you off.
>> Taylor: No, no, I can't remember where you continue.
>> Farz: So in a famous incident where it worked, kind of almost sort of, there were three gray whales trapped under ice off the coast of Barrow, Alaska, in 1988. Do you know, do you remember what movie was?
>> Taylor: Oh, you said, Wait, it's not the Drew Barmer one, is what you're talking about.
>> Farz: No, I'm talking about another movie that was based Sparrow.
>> Taylor: It sounds very familiar. What is it?
>> Farz: 30 days of night.
>> Taylor: Oh yes. I have some technical questions about the movie we can talk about later.
>> Farz: I didn't like it. I watched it again.
>> Taylor: I don't understand why the vampires were dressed the way they were dressed and like where did they go the rest of the time. And like I really don't believe the timeline. And Hartnett was like, what?
>> Farz: I mean it's a fun movie but I watched it again like maybe a year ago and I was like this is really stupid and sucks.
>> Taylor: They were like day seven. You're like, okay, well day seven is rough but like you had 10 days of not rough stuff. Your vampires everywhere. I can't believe you guys survived this.
>> Farz: Yeah, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. That'll be a post show notes.
>> Taylor: I'd watch it again. The main vampire is a naked gun. The Houston guy. Continue. It's Angelica, Houston's cousin.
>> Farz: I like him as a legend.
>> Taylor: Continue.
A local hunter discovered the whales and tried to free them using a chainsaw
>> Farz: In. In this situation in Bear, Alaska, a local hunter discovered the whales and tried to free them using his chainsaw to cut to the ice. Word spread throughout the community and eventually became like international news. Like it was one of the biggest. Like it was, it was a huge feel good story for people. The Soviet Union, the US federal government really cared about the plight of these whales. Eventually the US sent a massive helicopter. It's called the Sikorsky sky crane which looks insane. It has like a. No, it has no belly because it's like made for like lifting heavy things. And it did. In this case, it took up a five ton hammer and would drop it from the sky to try and break the ice up, which didn't work. Was that crazy 5 ton hammer being dropped from a helicopter and didn't break the ice?
>> Taylor: I don't know. I kind of feel like living in Barrow, Alaska might be fun for like a year.
>> Farz: I looked up the houses. I was shocked at how expensive they were. There was this really house.
>> Taylor: Okay, you're thinking the same thing. I like that. I like that. Oh yeah. Wow. This house is $77,725,000 only house for sale.
>> Farz: And it looks kind of gross. Like it's like L. A pricing. It's like a busted up house. The inside looks just ancient and it's gross. Yeah, I don't get it. I don't get how that thing is. I assumed, you know, my thought was I was like, oh, I can just move there and get a house, like 50 grand. It could be like a fun little thing when the apocalypse hits. And I'm like, I'm going to go to my right.
>> Taylor: That's exactly what I was thinking. We're on the exact same page. And this house is gross.
>> Farz: And stuff thing.
>> Taylor: Why would you put three runners in your kitchen? The kitchen is so ugly.
>> Farz: Okay, I know, I know. The runners are wild and the kitchen is very ugly and very dated.
>> Taylor: But then when I look at the porch, I'm like, this is exactly what I expected. Like, you want to have the porch out in the middle of the town and you know there's four people there and you're stuck there all winter. Like, that kind of sounds cozy and nice.
>> Farz: It does sound cozy. There is another one that's listed there for like 175,000, which I didn't look at that one, but I assume if that one is 750, that one must be an absolute dump.
>> Taylor: It is 1,000 square feet. It looks just like a barn on wheels. The pictures are blurry. It is a dump. Yes.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: Wow, that's so interesting.
>> Farz: Yeah. Who'd have thought, Barrow, huh? Lessons were learned.
Three whales were discovered in Soviet Union but never seen again
Anyways, back to our whale story.
>> Taylor: So interested in this now? So sideways, are there schools? No.
>> Farz: Yeah, no, there's a school. There's a school in the school, has a football team called the Whalers. Isn't that cute?
>> Taylor: That's so cute.
>> Farz: Yeah, I love them. So anyways, keep looking at Barrow while you're talking.
>> Taylor: It's like, mostly like, maybe that's part of the problem. Anyway. Oh, their school has a two and a three and a four. Not great. Okay, okay, continue. Interesting.
>> Farz: What if we have a listener? Barrow, please write to us.
>> Taylor: If you're listening from Barrow, please, can we visit? Because I do want to go. I just, you know, Ooh, my house went up in price.
>> Farz: Anyway, anyways, okay, back to the whales. So the U.S. state Department called out to the Soviet Union, which is kind of cool, like in the middle of, like, hating each other, like the fact that the US and so you were like, you know what? Let's mend fences just to bring these whales home. I thought it was kind of nice.
>> Taylor: I think that that is good. I think that they would do that.
>> Farz: Yeah. And they asked Soviet Union to send an icebreaker, which they did. It was called the Admiral Makarov to cut a path the whales out to open water. Which they did. And three weeks after they were discovered, the three whales weren't seen again. Which is like, almost good news, but not totally. We know for sure. The youngest Will, a nine month old, died before the path was cleared. And we only know that the other Two were never seen again after the path was cleared.
>> Taylor: Interesting, because I also always think, like, where are the whale bodies? You just sink to the bottom and they become like, circle of life. All a ton of animals that just live in them.
>> Farz: Yeah. There's like a whole Wikipedia page dedicated to what's called whale falling, which is like, when they hit the bottom of the ocean and create like an entire ecosystem for themselves.
>> Taylor: That's cool.
>> Farz: Yeah. Many people assumed they made it out to open water, but for all we know, the stress of the event killed them as they swam out or shortly after they made it out and they just died. I did read that, like, apparently their bodies super cut up because they kept trying to breach, like, where the ice was, and they just like, would cut their bodies wide open. It's like the water was just full of blood. And that's the one where they made a movie about it starring Drew. Drew Barrymore and John Krasinski called the. Called Big Miracle, which looks pretty bad. It doesn't.
>> Taylor: Terrible.
>> Farz: Good movie.
>> Taylor: No, it is not good. I definitely saw it and thought this is not a good film.
>> Farz: You did see it?
>> Taylor: I did. I don't know why it feels like I wouldn't see that.
>> Farz: Yeah, I didn't see.
>> Taylor: That's not the type of me that I would ever see.
>> Farz: But yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got over my will fetish after Free Willy. Like, that was enough.
>> Taylor: That was a big deal.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And then we learned about, like, you know, SeaWorld disappointed us as people.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah.
>> Taylor: I did go, though, in the 80s when we didn't know.
>> Farz: I mean, I went later than that. I went probably, like, when I was like, in my late teens. I would assume there's one in San Antonio.
>> Taylor: The. The Mirage that used to be. Used to exist in Las Vegas had a part of it that was Siegfried and Roy's. It was tigers and dolphins. Dirt highest. That's all they had there. And what we would see a dolphin show with the kids. Miles was like very, very little. And Florence and I were in the. In the gift shop just like trying to buy a white tiger. And Siegfried was there to tell you this. And Siegfried was there. Right. Already died. Siegfried was there. And I started screaming like I was insane. I was like, siegfried is there. And I brought Florence over and he did a magic trick for her. He pulled a coin out of her ear.
>> Farz: He was in the gift shop?
>> Taylor: Yes. He was just hanging out. He just would walk in and be like, hey, everyone, I'm. I'm six years, you know.
You should watch Deep Blue Sea tonight. That's pretty fun. Like, I've never been more excited
>> Farz: Was he in his, like, Costume, kind of.
>> Taylor: He's wearing, like, a cool suit. He had cool hair and he. Like, there's pictures of us, like, we're hugging and forces. My face is like. Like, I've never been more excited.
>> Farz: That's pretty fun.
>> Taylor: It was very fun.
>> Farz: Still don't do the animals. I hate the animal stuff. Like, let tigers be tigers. Let dolphins be dolphins. Like, you don't. Why would you put a dolphin in the deserts of Nevada? Like, it makes.
>> Taylor: No. I know. I hope. I mean, I'm sure they were, like, saved, but, like, also not. You're right. This is permanent ocean. But also, like, are they going to die again? God, I should watch Deep Blue Sea tonight. This is my best.
>> Farz: Do you know what we're talking about here? Like. Like, have you been paying attention to the subject matter at all?
>> Taylor: I am half paying attention.
>> Farz: This has nothing to do with sharks or Alzheimer's.
>> Taylor: It doesn't. Well, I'm just saying that, like, you know, they had. They should let those sharks out. But they're like, why did they do that? Because they made the super brains.
>> Farz: Sure, sure.
>> Taylor: Okay, continue.
Back to the whale rescue. These types of rescues are rarely successful
>> Farz: Back to the whale rescue. So I will say these types of rescues are very rarely successful. It seems like whales, in particular are way more susceptible to, like, stressors that can kill them. And also because it's a logistical nightmare. How do you get these things out? Like, the federal government has to get involved. Like, none of this is, like, super easy or super doable.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: There was an example on the coast of Canada where 600 narwhals were trapped and they were just euthanized because, like, what they call. What they were saying was, like, this is just prolonged suffocation. Like, they're. They're just, like, drowning very, very slowly. So just, like, kill them. There's one really sad one I read, which was. It reminded me of. Did you ever see sharks in Paris?
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Okay. This was like. This is literally that. Except it was a beluga, not a shark. But it did scare me. The fact that, like, a giant ocean creature can just swim up the Seine river in Paris. Apparently, that is a thing that has happened before. So that could happen. The sharks in Paris situation.
>> Taylor: I remember you told me to watch it, and then you were like, it's dumb, but it's good. And, like, I thought it was dumb, but good. Like, watch it. It was good.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. It's good to have a dumb movie. It cleanses the palate.
>> Taylor: It's exactly what it promises to be.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: And it was like, making fun of the Olympics. Oh, because we're talking about the Olympics. I was making for the Olympics having like Olympics and words. Oh God, it was good. Watch that tonight.
>> Farz: Yeah, apparently the whole like swimming in the CN got, didn't swim like die or get like botulism.
>> Taylor: Real f****** sick. Yeah. Like the sharks, the least of your problems, you're swimming.
>> Farz: But yeah, like that really happened. In 2022, a beluga whale swam up the CN river in Paris and it got stuck when it hit the end, the river lock at the end of the river. And because of his echolocation it was just bouncing off the walls the side of it and it couldn't figure out what to do and where to go. A rescue attempt was made and they got the whale out of the river and they transferred it into a transportation van that was like refrigerated because apparently they, they need to be super cold to like survive. And it was being tended to by like marine biologists and veterinarians and everything. But like halfway there was a 99 mile drive to the ocean and halfway there they realized that its breathing was getting super labored and like it wasn't being responsive. And they're like, we just got to euthanize. There's no way this thing is like surviving this experience. Yeah. So they did. And all that kind of left open the question of whether humans should intervene in these situations at all. I did look up a Nat Geo article from 10-7-1988 and a Marine biologist is, is in reference to the three great whale rescue that spurred that movie. The miracle, whatever, big miracle.
>> Taylor: But they didn't rescue them, did they? Did they?
>> Farz: We don't know. We don't know. We know that one for sure died. We don't know if the other two survived. But regardless, the attempt was made.
>> Taylor: There's no proof that it worked.
>> Farz: But like, exactly, exactly. But this, this marine biologist was quoted after the, discussing that event and he was saying, quote, speaking, speaking strictly from a biological standpoint, a rescue doesn't make sense. That's natural mortality. The ones that made mistakes, the ones that are weaker, the first that are going. Sorry. The ones that make mistakes, the ones that are weaker are the first that are going to die. And there's a reason for that. That's what keeps the population strong. Which is like true. You don't have to be a total p****. Like it's still like, it's a real.
>> Taylor: It'S a real d*** way to say that. But like, yes, I mean, I mean.
>> Farz: It mended fences between the Soviet Union, the United States. Like you Know, like, I don't know, like, was it really the worst thing in the world that we tried that? Probably. Probably not. But sure, be a. Be a sour post about it.
>> Taylor: For real. Okay, we get it. We're just trying to.
>> Farz: Trying to save the whales, man.
>> Taylor: So that is funny.
>> Farz: So anyways, that's my story today. It was part feel good because we do try sometimes, but in most cases, we just ended up euthanizing them.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, and I guess that 80s doctors, right? That, like, you know, it's not our. If we weren't there, it would just die.
Taylor: I was researching plane crashes in the deep ocean
And that's the point, you know?
>> Farz: Right.
>> Taylor: It got there somehow. But also, that is. It is sad how, you know, it'd be sad to be stuck somewhere where you can't breathe.
>> Farz: Yeah. I've always thought that you'd want to help them. When I was trying to figure out a topic to research for this episode, this is like, right before we're going out to dinner with Jay and Beth, this really nice steakhouse I made reservations at. I was, like, researching again, these plane crashes, and I started reading, like, accident reports of two of them. I can't remember. It was. One was Air Asia, and I can't remember who the other one was, but these were planes that, like, crashed and sunk, like, super deep into the ocean. And there was some banter about, like, how they recovered some bodies, but apparently because of the pressure down there and because of, like, how cold it is, decomposition doesn't happen.
>> Taylor: Oh, God.
>> Farz: And so there's like, probably literally. Oh, my God. I got so scared, Taylor, because I read all this and I told Rachel, and Rachel was like, this is a great conversation topic for dinner. Maybe save it.
>> Taylor: She's very smart.
>> Farz: And then I went and took a shower. And while I was showering, I was like, there's fuselages of planes in the deep ocean, and there's literally humans with their eyes open. Like.
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Frozen.
>> Taylor: Like, have you heard that thing? Like, how many dead bodies in a pool would let you swim in it? Would, like, stop you from swimming in it. Because there's usually zero dead bodies in a pool, but there are thousands of dead bodies in the ocean and you still swim in it.
>> Farz: It's what they were saying was that on recovery, what happens is they basically just turn into soup because the pressure that's holding the bodies together just goes away higher up in the water column. And it just. It's so scary.
>> Taylor: It's like, I wonder, like, about the Titanic. Like, I feel like there should be more bodies in it.
>> Farz: There could Be. Because there's a lot of parts of it that they can't look at because it's, like, buried in clothes. But, like, I'm sure there are.
>> Taylor: There's probably, like, rooms that are, like, entombed. That is full of bodies.
>> Farz: Is anything behind me?
>> Taylor: I can see your shadow. Is that scary?
>> Farz: Oh, my God.
>> Taylor: I know. I know. It is scary. That's really scary.
>> Farz: I went and got in the shower after that, and then. And then I started thinking, where's this water from again?
>> Taylor: For real? Like. Like a Lisa Lamb.
>> Farz: Yeah, exactly.
>> Taylor: I know. No, we're drinking dead body water literally constantly. That's why I hate lakes. You know, whenever, like, lakes start, like, losing water. Like, Lake Mead went down eight feet and they found, like, 100 dead bodies.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. You know, it was like a mafia dumping ground.
>> Taylor: Yeah. They were like, oh, there's a lot of skeletons with cement on their feet.
>> Farz: I don't know if it's a dead bodies that freaks me out. I think it's the fact that, like, you could go down there and they're just there and they're just, like, staring at you and you're like, oh, my God.
>> Taylor: Oh, God. There is a good movie. Have you ever seen. Hold on, look it up. The movie about an underwater town.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. That's the one that the. They flooded in, like, Georgia, I think.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And they do, like. Oh, gosh, there's other ones, but it's like a horror movie. But it's really good.
>> Farz: No. Are you thinking about the Deep House?
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: Yeah. Deep House. Yeah.
>> Taylor: I liked the Deep House, but it was great. It's that, like, silence and, like. Oh, you see, like, a children's bike and you see, like, a door, and then you see, like, a thing, you know?
>> Farz: But. But it's true. It happened. It was like, a racist thing. It was like a black town somewhere in Georgia. I forgot what the name of the lake was, but they, like, released open the dams and, like, literally, if you were to, like, go all the way to the bottom, like, there's, like, a church and, like, a. Like, it's so scary.
>> Taylor: So scary. I hate it.
Taylor says he has a phobia of underwater objects
We went to the Big Bear Lake and the kids in Juan jumped in, and I was like, 100. No. I'll be on the boat if you need me. I will not be dealing with the f****** leak monsters. There's no way.
>> Farz: Yeah. And then. And then, Taylor, what I was actually thinking was, like, if you're a diver or, like, whoever goes first off, how do they actually do this? Because, like, it's so deep that you can't put a person out there. So it's got to be. I couldn't understand what the logistics were of how you even bring these bodies up or bring these fuselages up, how that worked. So if anybody knows what that is, please write to us. But the other part of it was, like, how much therapy are governments paying for? Like, if that was your job, I would assume that you're on the job for, like, 25 minutes and you're in therapy for the rest of the year, and then you do it again. Like, it has to be, like, so.
>> Taylor: Scary, even, like, if your job is, like, find bodies, like a car wreck, you know, like, they're not that far.
>> Farz: From the service dreams.
>> Taylor: Like, they're terrible.
>> Farz: Your dreams have to be horrible nightmares, like, constantly.
>> Taylor: I know.
>> Farz: Anyways, if anybody knows, do the Potter gmail.com. right. And let me know, because I tried. I literally was pulling up these reports of these accidents, and I was going through 275.
>> Taylor: Interview someone. Yeah.
>> Farz: And I. And I was just like, get to the part where you explained how the logistics of this works. Like, I couldn't find it.
>> Taylor: Like, my job doesn't involve, like, a jump scare.
>> Farz: Yeah, no kidding. Exactly.
>> Taylor: You know, like, imagine, like, closing your.
>> Farz: Eyes, and you picture, like, a plane filled with corpses with their eyes open staring at you in the deep. Dude, it's so scary.
>> Taylor: So scary. You keep looking behind you. It's so scary. Even dark out where you are yet, but I know you get scared. Yeah. That's fun. Yeah.
>> Farz: If you enjoyed our whale episode, let us know. A dutiful pod.
>> Taylor: We're trying our best. Very cool. Very fun. Thank you. That's. It's interesting. Like, you know, this is stupid, but whales have entire lives that we have nothing to do with. You're like, oh, the ocean's so freaking weird and scary.
>> Farz: Yeah. But Will can't cut it. Nothing belongs to the ocean.
>> Taylor: No, it's so f****** scary. There's just so many terrible monsters down there.
>> Farz: Yeah. I want to watch Deep House again. That was really good. That one freaked me out, like, a lot.
>> Taylor: I thought it was really good.
>> Farz: I don't know what that phobia is where seeing man made objects underwater scary. But whatever it is, I have it. Like, it freaks me out.
>> Taylor: I know what you mean. Yeah.
>> Farz: It's so unnatural. It's so alien that I was like, everything's wrong. My brain's not processing it accordingly. So, yeah, deux was good. Any who.
Juan Carlos: Taylor listens to our podcast at 1.2 speed
What else you got for us, Taylor?
>> Taylor: I was in the car with my husband the other day was wonderful and listens to all of our episodes. And sometimes when we get in the car, like, his phone will automatically hook up and just like play whatever he was listening to. And it played one of our shows and he listens to us at 1.2 speed.
>> Farz: Should I be offended?
>> Taylor: No, I'm like amazed. I'm like very impressed with him because most of our life is him looking at me being like, I have no idea what you're saying or just like saying yes and moving like, did you even understand what I said? And he's like, no. I just smile and say yes.
>> Farz: Sometimes I actually play you at 05 speed of my brain.
>> Taylor: Before we even did this, he told me one time, if you have a podcast, I listened to you at 05 speed. And here he is listening at 1.2. So thank you, Juan Carlos.
>> Farz: Like with anything in life, the more you do it, the better it gets. And I will say our first like 20 episodes are a little hard to hear or listen to because we are rushing and running through it pretty fast. And so we got better at pacing ourselves and breathing.
>> Taylor: Slow it down. Yes. I try not to say as much as I do, but we do it. Yeah, no, that's it. That's all I got. Thank you everyone. If you have any ideas doom to help out gmail.com I'm trying to go up on TikTok again. I am going to do like you just said for the next like topic episode that I do because I gave a list of what did I do? Medical history was the last one I did. So I'll let me tell you right now just real fast. So in our as a list of medical history things that we have, there's Henrietta lacks the appendix thalidomide, fatal insomnia that you did an episode on. You did your self surgery in Antarctica. Polio. And me and my dad talk about polio. Organ transplants one and two. So a lot of medical history that we have. Next one. I will consolidate all of our plane crash episodes so I have that prepped for this weekend.
>> Farz: You're gonna have a busy time doing that.
>> Taylor: You know, there's a lot of them.
>> Farz: I keep finding crazy plane crash stuff.
>> Taylor: Like I told you that on the on my way to Austin when I visited the other week, I talked to the lady next to me the entire time and she was very, very kind to listen to me for two and a half hours. But I have never been less scared on a flight because I couldn't stop talking to her. I kept talking. I mean, obviously I had like been drinking, but like I was excited and I talked to her the whole time. And at one point it was so bumpy, the flight attendants had to sit down and I didn't even care. And I was like, well, this is what you should do. Find someone to talk to. So, so beware. The next person is next to me on a plane because I'm gonna talk to you the whole freaking time.
>> Farz: Taylor. Amidst all this research of corpses with our eyes open at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. I also booked a flight for me and my parents to go to the uk.
>> Taylor: Oh, you told me. That's so fun.
>> Farz: But all I was thinking of was like, I'm just like in the open ocean.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And also, do you have a layover? Where's your layover?
>> Farz: No, there's no layover.
>> Taylor: Nice.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's straight from dfw. I'm going to go up to Dallas.
You're releasing a two parter about the Malaysian Airlines plane crash
But in the middle of like all this, I also stuff you should know, release a two parter about the Malaysian Airlines flight, which I've already like researched to death. Like I've gone over that like so many times.
>> Taylor: I heard the Atlantic article is really good, but I can't get access to it.
>> Farz: I don't think I did that. I watched a bunch of YouTube videos and read the Wikipedia page and all the podcasts on it. But I was like listening to that and I was like, I was like, oh yeah. Like, and also if the pilot just wants to kill you, they'll just kill you. Like there's no, like there's no solution.
>> Taylor: Which you talked about in like a bunch of things. Like the pilot is like having a, if he has a thing going on and also like it. Like you were saying in like the German Wings one, right? Where he was like, if I go and get psychological help and lose my job. There you go, you know, so like maybe they don't.
>> Farz: Maybe I stop looking at plain stuff until I get back home.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it's place. Have you watched the Twilight Zone with Dan Carlin and the plane crash?
>> Farz: Yes. Yeah, I sent you a picture of it. Yeah, I started watching and I was like, oh my God, Dan Carlin. When you told me to watch it, I probably did.
>> Taylor: I probably did. I keep, you know, I keep mentioning him on Blue sky and like everything he says just until he becomes my friend.
>> Farz: So, you know, has he liked anything else or retweeted?
>> Taylor: He has not. But I'm sure he knows who we are in like a fearful way and like a Doomed to fail is liking everything I say and replying to things. Like, he, like, didn't have someone to help with his shows all across. He's like on tour right now and he was like, couldn't find someone to co host. And I was like, I'm very available. Get on a plane in the next hour and be wherever I need to be.
>> Farz: Where you are definitely on a list.
>> Taylor: That his security team has 100%, like, my facial recognition. Oh, wait, no, no. They'd be like, oh, there's a woman here. It must be Taylor. That's the actual answer.
>> Farz: Also topic idea. And folks can let us know if they like it or not. It would be fun to have a movie night of like.
Let's just talk about our favorite movies that we both know
Let's just talk about our favorite movies that we both know because you asked me all the time about, like, hey, have you seen this? Have you seen this? Since the answer is always no, but, like, I've seen a lot of stuff and it just never makes it into your references. But we have seen on the horror side a lot of the same stuff.
>> Taylor: The first thing came to mind is Event Horizon.
>> Farz: Oh, my God. I can literally quote every line of that movie. It is amazing.
>> Taylor: Event Horizon. It's so good. Oh, my God.
>> Farz: Don't watch it and don't watch it alone.
>> Taylor: H*** is just people having sex but also eating each other.
>> Farz: Makes sense. I can kind of see it.
>> Taylor: Let's do it. That's not super fun. I mean, just for us.
>> Farz: Yeah, we. We're friends. We just call each other one. Everyone. Actually, we don't have to record anything.
>> Taylor: We have like seven conversations going on in different mediums. So we're fine. Cool. Well, thank you, everyone. Doomed to philpod, gmail.com, we have a Patreon. We have all the things. Please find us and like, and tell your friends, please.
>> Farz: Thank you. Taylor. We're going to cut it off.