This week Farz covers the murder of Dee Dee Blanchard by her daughter’s boyfriend. The twist is that Dee Dee had been keeping her daughter, Gypsy Rose, in a state of medical distress for no reason. She pretended Gypsy had Muscular Dystrophy, Cancer, and more. Plus, she told her that she was younger than she was?? All for attention & free trips to Disney. It’s Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy to the extreme. Taylor brings us back to the 1400s to talk about the Czech warrior and hero - Jan Žižka. In a time of Popes, Anti-Popes, and reformations - Jan never lost a battle. He was a one-eyed warrior (until he was a zero-eyed warrior) who brought new tactics to the battlefield that had never been seen before. Taylor is pushing the limit of the podcast by saying this is a relationship between the Catholic church and a people who just wanted to worship without being exploited. Good thing nothing has changed! https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod
This week Farz covers the murder of Dee Dee Blanchard by her daughter’s boyfriend. The twist is that Dee Dee had been keeping her daughter, Gypsy Rose, in a state of medical distress for no reason. She pretended Gypsy had Muscular Dystrophy, Cancer, and more. Plus, she told her that she was younger than she was?? All for attention & free trips to Disney. It’s Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy to the extreme.
Taylor brings us back to the 1400s to talk about the Czech warrior and hero - Jan Žižka. In a time of Popes, Anti-Popes, and reformations - Jan never lost a battle. He was a one-eyed warrior (until he was a zero-eyed warrior) who brought new tactics to the battlefield that had never been seen before. Taylor is pushing the limit of the podcast by saying this is a relationship between the Catholic church and a people who just wanted to worship without being exploited. Good thing nothing has changed!
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okay if you're good to go we're going to kick things off I'm good to go let's do
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it cool I'm wait no I'm not Forest I am Forest um welcome
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so far so good I've been at brunches and drinking espresso martinis since like
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[ __ ] 10 a.m so like I'm having a hard time welcome to Jim the fail the podcast
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where we explore two stories one historical One True Crime around red
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flaggy relationships that were doomed to fail I'm farz joined here by Taylor high Taylor hello there we go
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we have some pep and Taylor stuff we're we're both a little out of it well I'm a
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little out of it Taylor's hosting a lot of people and uh yeah there's a lot going on in both of our lives at the
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moment so it's true I'm sitting on the floor I'm in my bedroom but but I'm comfortable sitting on the bed so my computer's on the bed and I'm sitting on
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the floor yeah it's cool it's cool are those trays just random trays behind you or what is that yes because I do have a
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plan so someday we're gonna renovate this house and add like another room and so I'll have to move my office so when I
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move my office in this hypothetical situation and the main in the far future I want to do a dark blue wall with a
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mirror in the middle and then just like as many silver platters as I possibly can around it so these are my first
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three silver platters so is there like some symbolism to that nope I just have
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dope style and I want to put it in my office you do have dope so you do have dope saw I kind of I think might stole
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that for me now actually and personally um cool so Taylor I pray usual uh I'm
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wondering who goes first I think it's me I guess you okay it is me so why don't
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you share your drink and then I'll share my drink in my story that's good um so this week we are
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drinking the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wow okay Ben you went all the way in
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when cool but your appetite for some
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Dead Guy blood we got some wine okay no flesh just the wine piece
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yeah yeah you don't want to like dampen the buzz by eating too we're just gonna drink it's true it's true so I um I told
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Taylor that it's been like a boozy Sunday for me it like started with like brunch and having
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espresso martinis and it just kept snowballing from there so I'm just going
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to call out espresso martinis as being delicious they're absolutely amazing yeah one of the best drinks you can have
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in the morning not every morning like so yeah a nice weekend vacation morning
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long weekend morning right exactly um so
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that would be my drink and I'm gonna it has nothing to do with our story absolutely nothing to do with my story
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but I did have Rose also this morning like froze like frozen rose and the name
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of the person we're talking about today is Rose oh well there you go
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it is Gypsy Rose oh didn't see that one coming did you I
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didn't see that one coming see because because it's so like different right
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it's it's abuse between child and parent versus like a couple
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which is like a very very unique Dynamic so um the two parties here are gonna be
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Gypsy Road Blanchard and her mom DD and I'm gonna start right off the bat saying
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that I'm so thrilled that Dede was just [ __ ] stabbed to death and just gutted
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like a fish like that was somebody killed yes no she's a she's the daddy
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100 percent like if anything I feel really bad that the people who killed her were punished
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at all like it's just like it's all it's so unjust me so you're aware of the story right yes okay
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okay so let's get into the main characters like I mentioned we are
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talking about a mother daughter Dynamic the mother's name is gonna be Dede the daughter's name is going to be Rose or
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sorry gypsy gypsy Rose that's what this is referred to so Didi was born her name
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was Claude when she was born her name was Claudine Petrie in 1967 she was
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raised in a pretty large family with five siblings and um generally speaking the assessment is that she's kind of a
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[ __ ] from birth like her family seemed to always dislike her and
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apparently they later on suspected that she actually killed her mother although nobody could prove anything because why
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would you because everybody's dead right he ended up dying her mom ended up dying so who cares but long story short yeah
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well there's actually a lot more to like how DD's Dynamic with her family plays
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out but we'll get that in a little bit so D later on uh ended up meeting a guy
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named Rod Blanchard when she she was 24 and he was 17. I saw the guy I saw interviews with him like he's like a
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normal dude like he's just like like he's not what you would think of as like an average 56 year old guy like
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he's actually like super put together like like yeah he was he was definitely
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like Dede definitely punched above her weight by hooking up with Ron is what I'm gonna
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what I'm gonna say I totally agree I feel like I that's I gathered that from things as well like he was yeah yeah yeah he was a good dude and
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then obviously in this situation so she's 24 he's 17. obviously it's like a one-night stand situation where she gets
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knocked up Rod is clearly trying to extricate him from the situation so he
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leaves Didi obviously um and then shortly after the separation Dede gives birth to their child Gypsy
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who will become the other main character of today's story so Dee started being kind of a
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helicopter parent in the worst way almost immediately with Gypsy so she was
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convinced early on that Gypsy had different issues one of the main issues I heard was sleep apnea was one of the
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things that she kept saying like Gypsy has sleep apnea so we have to take her to the hospital and she was here to the hospital and do overnight like testing
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with doctors all the time like it was like over the top level of like trying to fake
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this is a partial where I don't actually know how I feel about this like was the person crazy to begin with or were they
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over-the-top parenting and then turn I don't know what it is I know that she
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turned crazy and insane eventually but I don't know how it started with like an infant me like they have sleep app
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you're like what are you talking about like kids don't yeah like that's like
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for like old heavyweight overweight people like anyways like my assessment was like she
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probably started out having some sort of psychological issue to begin with and that's how it started yeah yeah yeah
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um it's funny because I I was thinking about this time like I how little I take care of myself so recently Taylor it's
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really funny because um I started tasting like a copper in my
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mouth constantly I like I'd occasionally just like like be in the shower and I'd spit and it'd
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be like it would be pink I'm like what is going on like it's like my body is
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like deteriorating before my eyes like it literally just started and I'm like
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how did this happen but I'm gonna get it taken care of them what could it be
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so I read that it could be gum disease but a gum disease is usually preceded by
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halitosis and like I don't have bad breath like well the way you breathe right breath
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right there no you don't but I just hope that you don't die so I'm glad you should go to the doctor yeah I'm gonna go to the dentist I was just thinking
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about it in the context of like this woman would pursue such insane medical
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care for their for her kid and I'm just sitting here like I don't know I'm a [ __ ] gums are bleeding my heart stops
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every three minutes and it's like whatever I'll I'll work it out whenever I work it out she was like over the top obnoxious so like to the extent where
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like doctors would start telling people other doctors just like ignore her like just don't deal with this and push her
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aside so that's basically like how he kind of came across just super
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overbearing over the top and yeah she felt like she was doing the right thing as a mom or she was crazy I don't know I
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don't know if it was doing the right thing his mom or she was crazy TBD what do you think I think she's crazy I think
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it's I think she just wanted the attention but it but with like a child with like a
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baby I mean it's like a literal psychology psychological disease the Munchausen by proxy like it's a thing
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like there's been other cases of it you know so I researched that it's actually called Munchausen Syndrome by proxy
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well close I just missed the word syndrome no I know because I'm telling you now because earlier on in the uh
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later on in the outline I wrote Munchausen by proxy syndrome and then I got to the very end and I was like let's
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research this disorder and then I found out it's Munchausen Syndrome by proxy and then I changed
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the end but not the middle so when I say it I'm going to say it wrong okay great just no no that
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um so okay go go my destroy so at one point in um in gypsy's childhood uh Dede
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made her use a walker because she basically told her she had Muscular Dystrophy and that she required required
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it to walk and Gypsy like she does what her name's so stupid that it makes me
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like I feel bad sayings it's like oh Gypsy of course Gypsy believes in our Gypsy so let's say it's like it's any
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character that's from that's from a movie is it gypsy gypsy Rosalie is like a
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person oh okay I learn everything between you every time but like my point being like it's like a kid like any kid
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is gonna believe what their parents tell them and Gypsy believed it she believed that she had Muscular Dystrophy and she
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would use a walker and later on she would use a a wheelchair as well so going back to part of like how Dede was
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trying to manipulate this situation she started downplaying how old gypsy was so for example there were stories of when
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she was eight or sorry when she was 10 she would tell people that Gypsy was eight when Gypsy was 18 she would tell
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people that Gypsy was 14 there was no consistency in terms of age differential but she would constantly change this age
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because she wanted her to seem younger and more ill and it's just
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basically oh my God suffice to say it seems obvious but
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Gypsy was homeschooled obviously which just gave all the control to the mom in
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one bit of interesting trivia I learned I also literally just downloaded the Harry Potter game so it's like it's
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awesome and it relates to this as well is that Gypsy only learned despite the fact that she was doing homeschool
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lessons she only learned how to read because she taught herself so she could read Harry Potter books oh my God yeah
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this kid taught it herself how to read and literally Harry Potter was the
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reason why and also the video game is fantastic Hogwarts Legacy if you don't have it go download it
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um yes I'm sure we have so ultimately DD would fall in hard times and moving with
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her father and her stepmother she really really apparently disliked her stepmom
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and apparently that was a mutual feeling all around it was suspected that she was actually poisoning her stepmom with weed
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killer and and later on I'm gonna get this like
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they moved away they moved into their own own uh house after this and then immediately the Stepmom got well like
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she was sick she would always be sick horrible circumstances and then DeDe and
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Gypsy leave and all of a sudden she's fine and everybody's like yup she was poisoning her it's basically
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so assume she killed her mom assumes she poisoned her stepmom and she
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did what we know she did to Gypsy that's who did he was one thing that was interesting was that
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her parents also thought the way she treated Gypsy was really messed up and they would constantly confront her and
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I'd be like this isn't normal like it's clear she can walk on her own like she would like stand up like she would like do her own thing and she's like no no
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she she needs a walker she has been a wheelchair it's like no she doesn't like we can see what she's doing like she's totally fine
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yeah and that was part of the divide that resulted in Gypsy and DD leaving
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the house and moving to a part of New Orleans was where the story kind of picks up around like when Katrina was
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gonna hit which is like a big part of this actually I'm gonna talk about that a little bit so
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I I kind of want to talk [ __ ] a little bit like because I feel like DD's kind of like a
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type of person so she um she was one of those like she's always on public assistance always on welfare never works
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just literally goes to the hospital takes her like I partially think that's part of the
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problem is like that's what gives her life meaning and value is my kid is sick and I take care of my kid
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and like there's nothing else there's no career there's no work there's no events conferences whatever like none of
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that goes on and so she's like yeah I just do this one particular thing I just take my kid to hospitals constantly back
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and forth apparently so you know I don't know I feel like that has to be at least a part of it like I said she's just uh
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subsisted on public assistance and child support from gypsy's Dad rod and yeah I
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feel like that might be a part of why she did what she did was just like like I got nothing else going on like this is all I have I'm gonna make this kid
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more important than she needs to be in her own way exactly is exactly the disease yeah and like I wrote down here
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like I could actually go into a lot of detail about all the various treatments that DD sought for gypsy
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or the various ways that she was like regaled as his hero mom or Gypsy was regaled as a hero child but it's like
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constant like it's just like it would be like it'd be like 17 hours of like me just talking about like like every time
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something what happens some weird non-profit in the middle of nowhere would give them an award for being the bravest child of the week and then it's
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just it was just like non-stop like like she put on a really good act of how to
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make her seem sick and also was noted that like when Gypsy didn't act as sick
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as Didi wanted Didi would like squeeze her hands be like no no perk up it was like it was like it was like a dog like
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training a dog like how to like act in a certain space so those are the other piece of this as well is like that's
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when it jumped the ship from like and maybe she was like concerned like no no she was deliberately trying to make this
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channel seem more sick than she was it got to a point actually where where
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doctors would perform this is crazy doctors will perform surgeries on Gypsy for things
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that like didn't she didn't have Billy kind of existed but like
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no reputable doctor would do if they thought it existed to like that extent like if like if you have like web feed
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for example a doctor's not gonna say let's chop your leg off so we can fix your web feed like like that's the
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extent of like she had issues a little bit a tiny tiny tiny bit and doctors we
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buy into it because like I said like the the doctor Community was like just do what this woman wants like she'll never leave you alone just get her to shut the
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[ __ ] up and just do what she wants basically um which is like really really gross and that kind of segues into the Katrina bit
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because I do think that when Katrina hit and people from New Orleans were relocated there was already an inherent
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um I feel bad for them nature to this mix that with like being a mom you can
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see a mom with a child who has like 17 different types of leukemia apparently like it's just like it compounds
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everything like we already had a giving spirit as a society and Community after Katrina hit layer that on to the fact
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that you think this child is incredibly incredibly sick and that's what ends up happening so that's a piece of this as well that I'm gonna like layer in here
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is Katrina hits they live in New Orleans and they're relocated to Missouri so
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yeah I wrote down how she would like get awards for just like basically existing from every non-profit in Missouri they
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also I mean first if you actually do have a child who has a chronic illness like it does it is your life it is all
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you can do you know but that's not what happened no I know both that's what I'm saying that's how people like believed
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her you know that's why she like saw that life and like thought it was something that she could do because it oh that's what you're saying you're
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saying like if you are that level of like mentally ill this is a very easy and plausible way to like get that kind
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of validation from society so gross so gross yeah I know you're literally using your child as a gross
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Pond and I just the doctor was being involved I think is wild like I feel like I sh and I need to like get second
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opinions and like think twice before you do things with doctors but doctors shouldn't they should know better so so you should know better so they did
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so there's one doctor I'll get through here in a moment that literally was like no I I saw what was going on and I was
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like she does not have muscular dystrophy like she can walk like she has the musculature and the joints strength
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and all that stuff to actually walk and be ambulatory on her own but literally the other doctors in their
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community that guy actually called her other doctor so this is a Missouri doctor he called her doctors in the in
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Louisiana and was like does this girl have muscular dystrophy she's like no we did all the tests she does not have it
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like he confirmed all this but then everybody was like in the doctor Community was like this woman's a
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[ __ ] pain in the ass like they just leave it alone like don't don't deal with this like
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which is like what you know they have they're supposed to First Do no harm isn't that their
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oath yeah like yeah like there's a part of it where it's like okay so if you're just like if this is your job being
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treated like your job I can get why you're like I'm just gonna check out of it but it's more than a job when you're a doctor right like you go yeah yeah
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they're beyond that it's like maybe this guy should have had that level of commitment investment in this but uh no
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that that guy actually comes up a lot later on because he was the only person who went on the record at some point
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saying I think this is Munchausen Syndrome by proxy like that has to be what's going on because this girl should
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be able to walk all the tests indicator should be able to walk so but anyways so
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going back to this going back to like what ends up happening so they moved to Missouri again with Katrina hitting
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everybody has this giving spirit they end up getting a house free through Habitat for Humanity uh with wheelchair
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ramps and everything like those are newsworthy right so the media starts paying attention to right and Gypsy you
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know they it's like they film them walking in a new house or rolling into their new house I love that [ __ ] it's like oh here's
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like a single mom with a very very sick child who you know is is getting something in life they would constantly
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get free stuff so they would get free tickets like Disney to concerts she was one of the Make-A-Wish Foundation kids
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so she would get like whatever she wanted from there at this point it seemed as though DD's expectations of
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their life experiences were basically entirely dependent on Gypsy being so
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super sick like of course this is not super sick then we don't have the this dope life
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so one thing to note at this point is Gypsy has no idea how old she actually is oh
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my God like I mentioned her mom keeps down playing right so there's one story where her dad
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who will I try to be involved actually again like this guy's not a [ __ ] yeah
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he wanted to like call her and congratulate her on her 18th birthday indeedy goes this is a quote she goes
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okay but don't tell her how old she is because she thinks she's 14. what
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so isn't the greatest guy in the world like come on you didn't think question that
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was us here like but he thought that she was sick too right like he believed her yeah he did he did yeah he was involved
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but not involved the extent of like I've been in the ER for the last eight weeks
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you know like it's like how can you doubt that industry is it is it genetic at all
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I don't know I don't know I just wonder if like he could have been like oh well maybe
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our family has it that's weird better well she said yeah she she said
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that um gypsy had like muscular dystrophy that she had cancer so she would um shave I was gonna get
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this little later I'll bring it up now she would shave her head awful yeah she would shave her head to
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make her seem like she had cancer and this I didn't actually write down the outline she had her um her saliva glands
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removed and so because of that yeah she had her sliding glands removed I forgot like who
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did this what doctor did this but like she had that done and apparently I don't know what the saliva glands do outside
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of generating saliva but apparently it has a pretty dramatic impact on the Health and Longevity of your teeth so
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her teeth literally all fell out because after she had her so she looked dude
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imagine this you're looking like a 14 year old girl yeah when you lose your teeth you lose your face yeah yeah bald
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head no teeth it's just gum staring at you and it's like like of course she has leukemia of course she has whatever
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disease the mom says Riley did she do that on purpose her teeth would pull out she didn't do it on purpose because the
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teeth would fall out what I read was that she would um apparently Gypsy would like drool it was like I don't I don't
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totally understand but apparently just to a drool and the mom was like over it and for some reason or somehow she
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convinced the doctor to remove her saliva gland or something like that has to be again that had to be like a procedure done in the Philippines or
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something like it can't be like a so serious yeah oh my God no she was horribly
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abused like that's the thing that's like that precedes every discussion of what ends up having that TV he's like she was
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a monster I wonder are you gonna talk more about Munchen chausen syndrome epoxy no I'm you know what I probably
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should have done a bunch of research on that but like I I I got to the point where I like was like I'm calling this
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the wrong thing and that's basically it so I I wonder I mean I I feel like well
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most psychology is like new you know in the past like 100 years or 200 years or whatever I wonder how many times has
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happened like in the history of the world where like a parent has been like I need help because I have this child
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whatever you know or like had a little bit of attention and then like continue to do it or like maybe they were like oh
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my my baby died and I got a ton of attention so they just like did it again you know stuff like that I wonder I mean
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pictures happened before this feels like an extreme version of that like it is
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but like I don't know if that was in the news every couple years someone kills their kid yeah yeah I can believe that having
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surgery like getting to the point where you do surgery and stuff is like kind of intense but oh yeah and that's 100 not
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on the doctors that's 100 of the doctors 100 yeah totally agree like I don't know
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how you convince a doctor to take the [ __ ] saliva glands out of a child but that's crazy I mean that was the reason
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why she lost her entire teeth again I don't know what the dynamic is I don't know why saliva glands what that has to do with like Teeth longevity but she
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that happened yeah so and you see the pictures if you look at pictures of her you can see she doesn't look like yeah
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yeah it was awesome yeah like I was I was like I wrote here I was like I was
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like she gave birth to a perfect healthy baby and turned her into like this
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crazy disabled person through this treatment it's like it's insane to how you can how you can do that to someone
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yeah yeah and and there was this one physician in Missouri who was like Ram
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blood tests on her was like her blood tests were all normal we did ran tests on her standing up in her ambulatory
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skills and their normal she's normal like there's nothing wrong with her Mobility whatsoever and that was the
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point when like everybody was like she called her the doctor in Louisiana I was like yup everything's normal and other
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doctors like stop it like just drop it like just drop the topic This Woman's a [ __ ] pain in the ass like she'll
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never leave you alone if you don't drop this and he just dropped it which like again I'm over two minds of it as a
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professional like it's not my fight to win but it's like as a doctorate isn't it kind of your fight to win I don't
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know it's 100 there for you to win that's their job yeah they took on that responsibility when they became a
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[ __ ] doctor you know like you could have my job but no one's gonna die if I don't do my job you know but if you have
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a job or someone's gonna die if you don't do it then you need to [ __ ] do it you know you know what though Taylor
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as famous podcasters don't you think that we save like one suicide a week by being
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dozens of lives have been saved by listening to this there you go dozens I mean just like regular lives like people
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were like what is my purpose I listen to this and they're like now I have a purpose
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the crownly wear is heavier than you think I think or all five of you
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just stop down let us bless you busy five no no no we're we're blown up we're
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gonna be famous uh so go back to the story Gypsy eventually reached the age where she started having an interest in
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boys he wanted to do things other than just basically pretending to be an invalid her entire time and she was
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actually I'm sorry I don't think to yell about you say reached the age like she doesn't even know how old she is so like
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one day you wake me oh wow like that's cool um no I'm thinking what I'm thinking is
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like how long was she going to pretend she was a teenager oh she's gonna like keep moving and like
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pushing it back until she was like 30. you know she actually faked her birth certificate actually like she went over the top like she literally went to the
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extent of faking her birth certificate to try and make her seem younger that actually comes up here in a minute like the fact that she did that like yeah I
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don't know what the game plan was it feels like there's not a lot of strategy here but it didn't work
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what it was but actually Gypsy seems kind of cool like this is the part where it's like
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not so Sinister is like she gets into comics and she goes to Comic Cons and she meets guys there and like does all
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this stuff and that's actually where it goes sideways her mom finds out that she's at this like hotel room with this
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guy at a Comic-Con and she shows up and she brings a forged birth certificate
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that I think said she was like 15 or 14 or something along those lines and just
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shutting this guy's face saying like hey you ever contact her again and you're going to jail for the rest of your life like this is gonna be statutory rape
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situation like it was fake like she was 18 like she was an adult and the mom paid this birth certificate and dragged
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her back home so that was an ongoing thesis here is like her
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finding slivers of escape and then being dragged back to this hellish existence
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it was after this situation that Gypsy meets the other I'm gonna call
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protagonist but the story who's a guy named Nicholas gojon
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they met online and they grew rather close with one another close enough to where the two started discussing getting
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married at one point and they would eventually meet in person and
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take off like a sexual relation between the two of them apparently Gypsy was like very
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self-aware what was going on in this situation so like she told uh Nicholas what was happening with the mom and this
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is when they started kind of plotting out how to just get Dede out of the equation apparently
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so part of this was we escape
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the other part was we kill ours like it was like a balancing of two ideas and the idea was that we got to go with that
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we kill her situation because that's the only way to be truly free of this woman was like again I also want to kill her I
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never met this woman in my life I would gladly hold her head underwater until she stopped breathing like she sounds
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like the worst human like I mean at the very least you should be in jail like she should not have a child
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no it means she should be dead admit you admit no I don't know I agree with you I think I think I think she's better off
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without her you know she's a terrible human being I know this is a pattern for you but um
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but no I think at the very least she should not have that child like she should not be allowed yeah so
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gross so by uh at this point Gypsy is like obviously fully aware that there's a
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life outside of what she's been experiencing she's out with this like I mean good for her sometimes yeah no
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kidding sometimes it's [ __ ] the internet but sometimes good job internet yeah yeah totally totally and you know at
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this point she'd been because she understands I mean I know she doesn't know how old she is but you
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get that like you don't Vibe with like I know I don't Vibe with like a 15 year old you know what I mean like I don't
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need to you don't have to tell me I'm 38 like I know I don't there's a difference there right and so she understood that things weren't exactly what they were
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and she kind of evolved Beyond it so I will say this I love what Nicholas
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ended up doing to DD I think it's awesome like I want to make Christmas cards with him stabbing her to death and
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sent to all my friends and family but I also think it's a little [ __ ] up because it's kind of like like
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you don't even know this woman his life ruined essentially
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yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah life in prison first remember he's done he's done four
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but it's like like I love what he did but I'm also like man
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you could also just tell her like hey let's like go to Cancun you know like it
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like wasn't his responsibility or job to do that but like because no because so
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many people failed her I feel like yeah all the doctors doctors psychologists therapists
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it's funny it's funny you said that because okay like the dad and the Stepmom who
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was being poisoned consistently when all this ends up happening they were like yeah she deserved it like literally her
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dad and her stepmom were like we're glad that she's dead she deserved this I mean I don't I mean I I have like family
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members who are annoying but like I don't have anyone like deeply deeply toxic like that's a whole different
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thing yeah yeah well this all escalates in June of 2015. uh Gypsy and Nicholas
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start kind of putting their plan of how to extricate themselves under DD's grip in action Gypsy basically lets Nick
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Nicholas in the house while Dede is asleep she hands him a knife she handsome gloves she hands them Ducks people like it was like a whole plan and
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the idea was for Nicholas to kill DD like that's thing that's like interesting is like you go from this
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like extreme of like baby it's like let's [ __ ] kill the [ __ ] like it's just so crazy how that
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flip happens but I can imagine the rage has to be over the top I don't know what it's like my parents did not treat me
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like I was an invalid [ __ ] half my age yeah almost my life but like I can imagine like the rage has to be so real
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that makes you like think that way but um so Nicholas goes in the house and
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yeah the whole plan was Nicholas you do this you go you kill DD and yeah like it
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was it was it was a great outcome for everybody in the world Nicholas ends up
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stabbing her 17 times in her bedroom until she dies which is [ __ ] awesome like kudos to him
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um I don't want to be friends with him I don't want to have like a barbecue with him but like I would say again Nicholas
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it's not a happy ending for him no totally not a happy ending for him but he's also [ __ ] up because who would do
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that that's true right so not like not everyone would just be like yeah totally
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you see the whole the joke that Juan laughs at that one time you just trip over [ __ ] scumbags every now and then like it's like
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how this guy's just like randomly I've met a lot of women in in any number of
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them could have asked me to kill somebody I wouldn't have done it like it's it's so over the top extreme that's true but uh this happens and then
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shortly afterwards I mean they spent a few days in hotels and then they make their way up to where Nicholas lives up in Wisconsin during this time
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uh apparently Gypsy was logged into DD's Facebook account it would post comments
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like as her and one of them was the [ __ ] is dead like it's just like you're
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the worst criminal in the world you're the worst criminal that's ever existed and she would just post this stuff in so people started being like what's going
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on like Christina everybody who knows him is like this sweet family of this invalid child and like now it's like
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this [ __ ] is dead it's like what like where the [ __ ] right like I could even say that say those words who would say
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that anyways much less like a child who's like an invalid at 12 years old so friends and neighbors started any
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concerned they call the police police ended up searching the house and they found Didi's body yeah I wrote down how
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everybody when this happened was so concerned for Gypsy because everybody in
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the town was like this poor kid has no options like whoever the fact that she's on here the fact that her mom is dead
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means that she is probably on her way to dying soon as well because she doesn't have her medicine her air tanks were at
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home or wheelchairs Like Houses kidnapped yeah yeah all of it oh totally
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and so everybody's everybody's mostly just concerned about the kid uh one of the one of gypsy's friends who was in
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town and knew about Nicholas mentioned that they were like kind of a thing and police are looking into him and they
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reached out to Facebook and asked Facebook to run IP traces on DD's
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Facebook account and they ran the traces because the posts were so unusual that like it obviously Drew red flags and
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they were like these were all originating from Wisconsin and they knew that she was seeing a guy from Wisconsin so
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they're like oh this is Gypsy in the end of going to Wisconsin there they end up arresting them and it was obvious like
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these were not master criminals there were kids they were scared kids like it's like I know the crime sounds brutal but it's like they were just stupid kids
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like you know Nicholas is a kid gypsy was like more than a kid like I don't even know how to explain like she was
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like so stunted in her growth in her development like so so they immediately caved and admitted what they ended up
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doing everybody admits that the plan was for Nicholas to go in the house it was unanimous like both Nicholas and
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Gypsy were like Yep this was a plan like they all came together on that piece of it and
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they what I found really interesting about this case was that the prosecution could have pursued the death penalty so
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Missouri has the death penalty as an option and this is going to be a first degree murder charge they ended up
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deciding that they're not going to pursue so like this is so weird this is so beyond the pale of anything we've
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ever seen that like we can't we can't do this and so they thought it would be like an abnormal degree of punishment
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the pursue the death penalty so they didn't regardless Nicholas was ultimately found guilty as I mentioned earlier and he got
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life in prison which like again thank you Nicholas for murdering this woman the world is better for you having
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done it it also just like dude you could have just gone on to the next match on
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Tinder like you didn't the fact that you wanted to do this is like a little bit weird
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so get it wrong I was writing if I if I met a girl on
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Bumble tomorrow who's like kill my mom and be like yeah maybe we should think about this a little bit yeah hopefully you will not do it how old was he when
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he did it I don't know I I don't know what what is it I don't know if you've I mean you've done this when you're young
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but I also never killed anybody so it doesn't count as my dumb things you've never killed anyone
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no no never never yeah
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it's the murderer was in 2015. how old is Nicholas
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He's 33 now so in 2015 how many years ago was that that was eight years ago
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yeah eight years ago so he's 33 now so he would have been 25. all right I mean that's old enough to
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know yeah yeah if he was like 15 you know I'd be like well blah blah I mean
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again it's it's complicated because like yes she needed to go but also no you should
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not like you should leave it to other people you should not be the person who does it yeah totally yeah
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so uh yeah Nicholas ends up getting life in prison which like sucks again Gypsy
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got off pretty light she ended up getting a secondary murder charge in 10 years in prison one of the things that
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Gypsy said I read this quote while she was incarcerated she said I feel like I'm more freaking prison than with uh
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than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live as a normal woman like like she literally just like walk
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around dude like she's she literally feel feels like prison is like freedom
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for her but that's so and like there was nothing there was nothing in her
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experience that would make her feel like there was something for her to go because like there were adults around her all the [ __ ] time and no one did
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anything yeah you know whether or not they were like afraid of deity or believe Dede or like didn't want to intrude or like just wanted to not deal
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with her like whatever but like dozens dozens of capable adults were around her and didn't have her so the
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helper she could big whatever I think like I think like a I don't think Gypsy
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should have gone any jail time and I don't think Nicholas should have either but I also don't want Nicholas to be my
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neighbor because if I sneeze the wrong way he might [ __ ] kill me too like he just he just seems really easy going
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with the stabbing people to death piece but like yeah yeah it's just like as a society we
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should decide who we put into a forest and we all hunt indeedy was one of those
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people that should have been like the running man that we just put into a force and we all just pursuing to try and kill that is not
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um not the moral of the Running Man just I wonder did I get the wrong that's
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why I do the wrong movie yes no no no no no that is a running man but I'm saying
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that the moral of the running man is not we should put someone out and everyone should hunt them together the moral of
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that is that it's bad um then this guy
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this is bad I'm like in this case can we make a pass for this case actually Lobster Boy in
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this case and that other guy that I talked about those three can go into the running man this is becoming a pattern for you
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um so yeah Gypsy ends up getting 10 years on secondary recharges uh and you know what's funny is like she actually
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ended up getting married last year so in June of 2022 she ended up getting married to some random guy so the guy
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that killed the mom man this is what guys man especially younger men if you're
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listening to me never do a thing for women that could impact your life
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because it will like they will move on and you'll be stuck with it this guy killed a woman for the girl he loved and
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that he's in jail for the rest of his life and she's married to someone else like just don't do it just
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don't do it you just screwed me I don't know I just feel like you're being a little
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toxic masculinity right there because like you can do stuff for other people
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but don't break the law for someone how's that
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yeah that's not toxic masculinity that's more like just like I don't know but I feel like yeah
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yes his life is ruined every a lot of lives ruined but not gypsies her life is better but that's my point
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is that his life is ruined I know and her life isn't it I know but he did it for her
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so like a lot of things just like think twice and they don't don't say never do something for someone don't do that yeah
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that's extreme not never but like if it gets to the point when a girl is handing
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you a knife at midnight as she unlocks a door to her mom's bedroom yes think twice just think she will marry another
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man and you will be in jail for the rest of your life like that's what I'm saying it's 100 true
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um so yeah that was that's basically how the story is uh she's still in jail obviously he's in jail for the rest of
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his life like he's not gonna get out anytime soon uh this happened in 2015 So in theory she will have served her
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entire sentence and be released in about two years she might get off a little bit early she might be getting off like in the next like a year but that's gypsy's
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story and like I said I definitely and the world is a better place because
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DD is dead and that's hard to say but I truly think that yeah she just did a lot
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of bad things awful human build non-profits out of God knows how much money built Hospital oh
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totally I forgot about that too yeah where Chris wanted to help someone else dude took a home out of the habitat for
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him which could have gone to like somebody who actually needed a home they choose a scumbag like she was just
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garbage wrapped in skin like through and through but anyways she's dead thank God
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thanks Nicholas he'll be listening yeah if you're listening right to us tell our agent
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oh my gosh so funny so that is uh yeah that is my story and I
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wish I had Taylor because you mentioned it like I wish I had looked up because at the very end of this I was like the
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ultimate cause of gd's behavior is and I looked it up and it's Munchausen Syndrome by proxy which I earlier called
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my child's on proxy by whatever um but I I but I didn't go into the ways
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of researching what it actually was or how many instances of their of it there was but uh that would be yeah that could
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be an interesting second second part of this yeah I'm sure there's a lot more
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so what do you have going on Taylor you we're gonna drink Jesus's blood yes
43:26
in the goblet all right I guess let me tell you like this about anyways this is about Catholics that's our drinking that blood
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good yeah I I love it I went the wedding I went to when Ireland was Catholic oh
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oh yeah obviously yes well first I wanted to tell you
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that as I've been working on this outline for like days and it's just it's whatever and I was like writing it last
43:50
night and my mom and my sister are here do you remember like several episodes ago when you said that lights out was
43:55
one of the scariest movies you've ever seen so scary so I've never seen it and so Juan was like we have to see it
44:01
because he really wanted us to get scared you know so he was like [ __ ] talking about it then my mom and my sister are so funny and they're always
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like oh we've seen every movie we don't want to see anything again so Friday night they were like oh we've seen it we
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don't want to see it again and we're like okay and then last night they were like oh no we're not sure if we've seen it or not I'm like oh my God we should
44:18
just watch it so we watched it it was super fun it was so scary five minutes in I was like I had already
44:24
screamed and my mom my sister wouldn't stop talking because he kept being like I remember this I remember this oh I don't remember this part like just
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talking the entire time um which like made it more fun but it was it was a good one I jumped a lot so I
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feel like I don't do that very often do you think it was one of the scarier movies you've seen I think so it was
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like it was very scary yeah yeah I tried watching it again maybe like a month and a half ago and I
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couldn't do it I got like maybe like yeah I finished the warehouse scene it was like I'm done I'm good that's that's
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big beginning and like the very first thing that happens I was like I screamed really loud yeah I couldn't do it which
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was very fun um yeah um so thank you for that recommendation I just want to tell you that yeah
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um so we are okay so we're drinking um Jesus is blood today because we're
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talking about Catholics and I'm breaking the rules again because there are no rules but I am going to talk to you
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about a winner not a loser who is uh the most
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celebrated warrior in all of Czech history so he's like they call him the
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Czech Braveheart like the best warrior in all attack Republic his name is um Jan zizka
45:37
so okay I'm of check origin my brother Kinkade City abroad in Prague and we
45:43
went to like the little town that were found right outside of Prague and it was super fun we like saw where my great great grandparents were born and things
45:49
like that my mom's side my grandma spoke Bohemian so like from this area like for like Generations back so I definitely
45:56
wanted to go back and think more about like my people and I got here because I was home alone a while ago
46:02
there's a movie on Hulu that's just called like it's just called medieval like the word I'm like what does that
46:09
even what could that possibly mean so I watched it and then I was like what the [ __ ] did I just watch like I
46:14
just I was like this was something was weird like something was off the guy who plays um Jan Jessica is
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um and I'm saying jishka I think it's z-i-s-k-a with a bunch of Accents in different places
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um and he was played by Ben Foster do you know what Ben Foster is no but I'm
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going to go he was on um the Disney show Flash Forward that's when he was little and then he
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inexplicably dated Robin Wright for a while and then I was married to Laura Prepon the girl from um Orange is the
46:46
New Black in that 70 show yeah he was in um he was in one of my
46:54
favorite movies actually I'm looking it up right now because I'm trying to remember the name of it I
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think it's called The Apprentice or something along those lines
47:06
but he plays John in the film and he looks like very rugged like he has like a beard and everything so I didn't
47:11
really recognize him until later um Michael Kane is in it as well so it does have some like famous people in it
47:17
um but when I was watching it I was like something's off like what is this and it is straight up Czech Republic propaganda
47:25
is what this film is do we dislike that though no I like it but it was just like that that's the weird thing because
47:31
you're like this feels weird it's a check movie it's the most expensive movie ever made in the Czech Republic and it's 100 in English
47:37
because it like they weren't like share with the world which is like fine I listened to a podcast about the making
47:42
of the movie and the dudes who were in it were like yeah this is something we learned about in school who want to
47:48
share with the world because what they learn about when they're little they learn about yonjushka and how like Brave he was so
47:53
they also have a lot of it like a lot of stuff in the film is made up because I don't know a lot this is the 1300s so
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it's a really long time ago they don't know what really happened a lot of the things are like whatever but they when
48:05
they're making the movie they had a historian and the historian kind of like read through everything and watched the
48:10
finals and they were like could this have happened like we're not saying it did happen but we're saying like we don't want to like have a car drive by
48:17
you know or something that we know like could not have happened but like could these things have happened and then all of it was like yes it could be could it
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could have been so do you know what's funny Taylor is I did the research for um because I thought I I keep mixing up
48:30
Ireland until I learned so when I was in Ireland I did the research for Braveheart and William Wallace and I was
48:36
like hey it's Scotland not Ireland and he was in Scotland not Ireland and B
48:42
is considered the most historically inaccurate movie that has ever been made like it's crazy like it's like there's
48:49
like they're like nothing about this is close to
48:54
William Wallace's actual life or his activities but I believe that we're not
49:00
separating the art from the artist on Mel Gibson right yeah we've been yeah so
49:06
anyway so you should watch it it's super fun so let's so this is essentially like
49:11
listen to some podcast about this I read a book about um janjiska and
49:16
basically this is a relationship between the the Czech people who are having their own Protestant reformation and the
49:24
Catholic Church so it's basically like there's going to be Crusades there's gonna be tons of Wars so they check people were following
49:31
some people were kind of pulling away from the Catholic church and following a man another yawn a yawn hoose
49:37
um and he was like the Czech Martin Luther so they were like who sites so basically like the thing with Martin
49:42
Luther with the reformations is that the Catholic church was like you could sell your way into Heavenly you could buy
49:48
your way into heaven so you would go to church and you'd give them money and like jewels and they'd be like you're gonna go to heaven it's like if it's not
49:55
obviously it's not true but like people thought it was true and they were mad about it like
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yeah it seems cheap it seems like a cheap way to get into heaven exactly like it's
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cheating like it's not that's how you can do it um so here's what's happening in the Catholic church this is very confusing
50:11
so we're in like the early 1400s starting in 1378 it starts to be a crazy thing um called
50:18
the Western Schism in the Catholic church where there are all of a sudden there are three popes
50:24
I'm in 11 different places and they're each like I'm the pope but you don't know like which one is a real one and
50:29
there's a lot of that kind of at the same time so the red flag I put is as soon as the Catholic Church started to
50:35
have the Schism and have more than one Pope you should run because Catholic Church is already awful and now they have like more popes so like that's a
50:42
red flag dude I do kind of love it though it's like I'm the pope like who you just say I'm
50:49
not the pope like and I'm I like I know I could like I could research this for like my whole life but essentially yes
50:55
they're like well I think I should be the pope like yeah what he just like bought a white hat and you're like
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pretty sure it should be me guys so yeah we'll talk more about the different posts but there's a bunch of them but
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Jan himself was born in 1360 probably um again like it's hard to go back but his name is on some property documents
51:14
it starts to kind of come up in like legal things around 1378 when he would have been 18. so it's assumed that like
51:20
when he that was when he like was able to like do those things even in that time so it could be him I think that's him it's a chance that he's younger and
51:26
born later but like we'll never know but one thing we do know about Yan is that he lost an eye when he was a child it
51:32
could have been any number of [ __ ] dangerous things in the 1300s you know like walking outside you could lose your
51:37
eye I imagine you know like there's just you get like a splinter in your eye it's gone like there's so many things
51:44
that sounds you know what I mean like awful and like yeah so I can't imagine
51:50
how like gross and smelly and dangerous everything was especially for a child so like I feel like having a child lose an
51:56
eye is not a big deal because like at least your child survived because there's so many things going on I think it might have been the last podcast but
52:02
I read somewhere where it was like if you're alive in the Middle Ages you're disfigured because it was there
52:08
was it them yeah because I played one yes because like no matter what like you
52:14
know if you break your arm your arm's not like going to be set correctly ever again you know so like
52:19
most people are disfigured in some way and his the way it was he only had one eye okay that's so crazy it's so true
52:25
also also in the movie in the medieval movie there's a woman who's like helping him she's like a princess but there was
52:31
really no woman like that involved in the story but he did have two wives both him Catherine but they both passed away
52:37
kind of early so he didn't he is able to connect off be a warrior and not worry about anything at home
52:43
so it sounds like his family got into he was kind of Born Into the minor nobility so he wasn't like well I'm just gonna
52:49
say he was a dirt poor but everybody was dirt poor but he was like poor you know he was like minor nobility
52:55
um it sounds like his dad had to um like sell some of their property like something happened he was in debt for
53:01
some reason he became a Game Keeper for like the local ruler and there's a chance that John worked there with his
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dad but he ended up becoming like a bandit so after like his at least his
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first wife died he may be married to the second wife it's like the late 1300s and
53:18
him and his group he's not the leader but he's in a group of dudes and they go around and they rob if they
53:24
plunder and they make deals with like different little towns they're like well we'll protect you if you give us money things like that so he was like just
53:31
like abandoned out in the woods he is out there things are like kind of happening but nothing super crazy and
53:38
then all of a sudden we have the Western schisms of the Catholic church is going crazy um and that kind of like starts off the
53:44
hussite wars because one of the popes declares a crusade on the hussites who are in like the Czech Bohemia area
53:50
trying to have this Reformation so is a crusade in this context just a bunch of religious people who follow the pope is
53:58
a general basically yeah I mean he doesn't actually go no no no yeah yeah yeah no no no no no no no
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no no no no no no he's not gonna spill his wine on his way you know out into battle but yes he could be like
54:11
like I've send a crusade to you so he sounds a crusade of his like I don't talk a little bit about the tectonic
54:16
knights in a second but essentially they're like the evil evil I think is fair Catholic Knights
54:22
that just like you know they were the ones who did the Crusades and kill the certain people for like no reason yeah
54:27
yeah fair enough I'll agree with you so the Holy Roman Empire at this time is
54:32
like all of Europe and so Jan jishka is
54:37
is kind of a bandit kind of fighting for like the people and then there's Janus who's like the Martin Luther of the time
54:44
um in 1415 uh Jan hus the religious leader was burned at the stake by the
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Catholic Church and that surprisingly didn't stop everybody from believing him it made
54:58
everybody mad because that's you know riled people up yeah this is not a pope
55:04
type he was just like some guy part of the Catholic Church said we gotta kill you yes he was like the mar he was like
55:10
Martin Luther so he was like let's bring religion back to the people and not have all these like ways you can buy her way
55:16
into heaven so yeah no he's burned it burned to the sink so that triggered a
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Revolt among the hazites and they wanted to you know start to fight so here are some of the Pope stories and this is
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very confusing so I'm I know I'm sorry so the the first division the Western
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Schism that lasted from 1378 to 1417 that I've talked about there was Pope Urban the V the 11th oh no the sixth who
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resided in Rome and Pope Clement the seventh who was in Evian France so there's one in France and one in Rome
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and there's a third one somewhere too Alexander it's Alexander V he was elected in like a compromise but he died
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and then his successor John the 23rd was the third Pope so the third Pope John the 23rd his real
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name was baldessari Cosa he was born in 1370 in Naples I just think that's a dope name
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balzasari Cosa from Nepali I think I just can his blood is wine
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exactly exactly so the popes that aren't like the real Pope once they like everything all the dust settled and like
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moved back there were um the ones that weren't actually like the real one after all are called antipopes which is also a
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cool name because some of them are anti-popes it's cool them being called a pope yeah I think so too
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um so I think we could do but we could do an episode on every Pope and all of the [ __ ] that they did like so many of
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them did so many bad things but I just also wanted to mention that there is there actually was a more recent Pope
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John the 23rd this is in the 1960s and he was born um Angelo Giuseppe roncali also Italian
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and I hope John Paul the one that we grew up with no no this is one before that this is the one from the 58 to 63
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but I think this is the one who so this that one in
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was it in her parents Lifetime and he picked his name John the 23rd as a
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tribute to the first John the 23rd the one during this in like the 1400s but
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he's the one that did the stuff like we don't need to have Mass always be in Latin like mass is in
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Latin until like 1960. well they wanted that right because that made them seem like you had to go to them for
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salvation yeah that's the exact thing that like John who's was against or Martin Luther was against 500 years in
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the past you know they're like yeah make it accessible to people and then they like you know we'll go crazy with it
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anyway Auntie popes so all that stuff is happening in the Catholic church in the
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meantime you know this is a hard time to like get a lot of information about because it's you know it's 1400 there's
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not a lot of information during this time it's like the Dark Ages not supposed to say that anymore but
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yeah because it like implies that nothing was happening and it also implies that like other parts of the world also was weren't great which is
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not true because there was like there were unjust like revolutions and cool things happening in like Asia and like
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other parts of the world so anyway it's this time ambulin is about a
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century and a half after this so now we have a Chris a crusade Pope John the 23rd declared a crusade against
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hussites and so now they're heading towards yanjica and his people in like
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Bohemia Czech Republic area the first big battle that Jan was a part of is the
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Battle of gruenewald it was also known as the Battle of tannenburg it was on July 15 1410.
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and it was like the beginning of of the Crusades so it began uh it was between
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like Poland and Lithuania on one side and the Teutonic Knights on the other so the pope had sent the tectonic Knights
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to do this so they're in order a military order of knights that have been active since the 13th century but really
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I think until since the like 11th century until now they still exist
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they had a big the Battle of Grunwald was you know a big battle the Teutonic
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Knights had a much bigger Calvary they had a lot more people and they went and
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invaded and they lost so in Poland and Lithuania and that area right now it's a symbol it's like a national pride they
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look really excited that that they or they beat the talk Knights and janjico was there he probably
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you know he wasn't like a leader but he was most likely there so then there's a whole bunch of other battles that that
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janjishka is involved in he starts to kind of move up and become a leader um he ends up getting like enough you know
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plunder and money and all these things he has a castle but he only has one Castle he doesn't like go crazy with it
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he's just like really wants to be out there on the field like with the men fighting so I'm honest you know a modest Castle no big deal right nobody do on in
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1419 there's an early Battle of the hustle Wars It's a jishka against he defended the town of sudomer against an
1:00:06
army and he used a thing called a wagon Fortress so he like I said like never
1:00:12
lost a battle and one of the things that is because he had a bunch of new military ideas had
1:00:20
never been done before so one of the things is a wagon Fort so and check or
1:00:25
German they call it wagenberg and German but it's like essentially a fortification made out of the wagon so
1:00:30
he would like like circling your wagons but like very seriously and like chaining them together so that you
1:00:35
basically made a wall that people weren't able to get past so in front of the wall would be a ditch
1:00:42
some people would come like running towards the carts and towards the wagons then they would like fall into the ditch and then have like that to deal with and
1:00:49
then behind those the wagons would be more people that you didn't see coming okay so it was like a way yeah so it was
1:00:56
a way to like surprise people they hadn't been done before they also attacked at night which was like very very uncommon I know that's even
1:01:01
something that we hear from like the Revolutionary War is that someone attacked at night and no one ever imagined anyone would do that because
1:01:07
it's [ __ ] dark that happened in Texas that was how old Texans got back at Mexico for the Elmo yep just do it at
1:01:15
night and no one will no one ever expects it he also this is also the beginning of like gunpowder weapons so
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it just go was one of like the first people to use gun gunpowder like in battle he would put cannons on wagons
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and like move them around the battlefield and that had never been done before so it was like the first like
1:01:33
mobile artillery essentially it also the checks at this time called This is just
1:01:38
from Wikipedia but they called the handgun a pastelia and their anti-infantry field guns hufnice which
1:01:46
are where we get the words pistol and Howitzer so they were like the first people to do that
1:01:51
yeah so you would yeah you would like be able to shoot out of the wagenberg
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and like out of the wagons in like different ways it just like hadn't been done before and that's why they kept
1:02:03
winning all of these different all these different things so in later in the year 1420 there's another battle in the it's
1:02:11
called the Robbie castle and during that during that battle he loses another eye
1:02:17
Jesus so now he's totally blind and he has someone like just like kind of help
1:02:22
him like maneuver and get around but he still commands the troops and he's still like very active in the military even
1:02:28
though now he's completely blind I mean obviously he's not fighting is devising strategy but like yeah but he's
1:02:34
like there he's not not there you know like Pope isn't there but he's definitely there there was a uh he was
1:02:40
during this time like he's also inviting like the shock Knights and the pope and then also just like the regular military
1:02:45
that military but like royalty nobility people who want to be in charge so one of them is like a king sigismund they go
1:02:52
back and forth a lot and getting a lot of like you know a lot of different like battles there's a bunch of battles like
1:02:58
on with against King sigismund who was actually the Holy Roman Emperor actually the defended a fortified position near
1:03:06
Prague they you know that was another Victory there and then he fought against
1:03:12
the Crusaders using the wagenberg he fought against them in in Germany so in
1:03:19
Mecca broad area and he's like it's like kind of like a battle after Battle of him like even after he's completely
1:03:26
blind like still continuing to win which is why he continues to be like a Czech hero and in like check history so
1:03:32
besides all of that he ended up you know fighting only being a part of it up until his death he died in 1424 so it
1:03:40
would have been about 60. it actually didn't die of in battle or anything he died of a disease they said that he died
1:03:46
of the plague but now people are rethinking it and we'll never [ __ ] know but it said it was kind of more like maybe like a sepsis like an
1:03:52
infection also because like everyone had like blistering wounds all the time anyway
1:03:59
was he fighting the Catholic churches yes yeah
1:04:08
he was fighting those tectonic Knights that the pope had sent the Crusade against them so they were fighting that
1:04:13
and then eventually they were like um fighting with like the notability in the area just for like the common person
1:04:19
just for like the regular person to be able to like you know understand the Bible it's you know he was very
1:04:25
religious like you know do it their own way and then also be able to you know
1:04:31
just simply people's like him or Freedom then the Catholic church had given them so that was like the main thing and then it was him as a leader of the hazites
1:04:37
who were following Yahoo's in the beginning and so he afterwards so they had kind of right before Jessica died
1:04:44
they tried to like invade Hungary to like get get morally in but like that didn't work it didn't even really do it
1:04:51
they just kind of like went in it wasn't going to work and then it went back and then after he died the same thing
1:04:56
happened that all this [ __ ] happens when like a strong leader leaves is they had the Civil War within themselves
1:05:03
you know so it was internal divisions some people were moderate some people were Radical some people wanted to go
1:05:09
back to the Catholic Church others didn't and then so they ended up like negotiating with the Pope and with the
1:05:15
Catholic Church via the compact of Prague which was signed in 1433 so it's kind of like a half and half and then it
1:05:21
continued to like just have battles and and people weren't really in it anymore and then So eventually it totally was by
1:05:27
the end of the 15th century so the end of the 1400s it was over and they were just dissolved back into the Catholic Church poor you know whatever Pope
1:05:35
happened to be around so the revolution lasted like 100 years and it didn't actually ultimately ultimately achieve
1:05:41
its goal the going back to Braveheart he also
1:05:46
didn't accomplish the goal because Scotland is still part of the UK I don't know why I'm laughing but yes
1:05:51
but if anything it's like it's like Ireland is the one you should be like respecting Ireland is the one north island is part of England but like the
1:05:59
Republic of Ireland the South part that's not like they actually successfully succeeded from the union or
1:06:04
whatever the the kingdom which sounds like that didn't happen here either yeah
1:06:10
where where did we romanticize that I know well it's bravery it's whether you win
1:06:16
or lose it's still a bravery yeah and it's like it's exciting to like you know I mean it's exciting to think about a
1:06:22
night and to think about like all these like you know ancient battles are fun to think about medieval battles are fun to think about you know you're like
1:06:28
Logistics are so crazy like I mean I guess also to talk about Dan Carlin when he talks about like a medieval battle
1:06:34
and like a an ancient battle like it's miles Longs of wagons yeah you know
1:06:40
and he's like oh you know this guy brought like 5 000 people I'm like what the [ __ ] do you get 5000 people to
1:06:46
follow you somewhere like you know and like bring your stuff we're walking you know like I don't know I think I could
1:06:53
get like at least four people to go to battle with me I was gonna say I wish I could get more
1:07:00
than 10 people listen to this podcast they're not following me across Europe
1:07:07
question once we do get one in ten people that's when that's when it starts that's one day after this
1:07:14
oh why are those people standing in line oh they're going to going to fight the
1:07:19
the Catholic Knights I think we'll win I don't know but yeah it's crazy you're like how okay like 5 000 people were
1:07:26
going on a walk you need 10 000 shoes too much
1:07:31
we started doing Logistics you're like man I'm just gonna stay at home exactly do whatever you want to be you want to
1:07:36
be Catholic because of [ __ ] um pee because I don't have time to stop and pee every five seconds for all five
1:07:42
thousand of you did Taylor R Pope the pope of our childhood he was born in Krakow in Poland yeah Pope John Paul II
1:07:51
in yeah and then there was a the one that was Italian or Brazilian
1:07:58
it's something South American Argentinian Argentina or the uh Francis
1:08:04
who seems kind of cool who actually like I think is kind of cool it was better than that child molester they put in
1:08:10
place Benedict or was he a Nazi I don't remember who's a child he was a Nazi I'm
1:08:16
sorry I don't I'm sorry for smarting him by calling him a pedophile he was just a Nazi
1:08:22
uh yeah no the Catholic Church's chocolate Filipinos
1:08:27
and also those yeah yeah man this guy looks so scary Benedict
1:08:33
look really scary John Paul looked like a sweet old man but Benedict actually looked kind of scary I'm on his profile
1:08:41
now Joseph ratzinger like the most German dude in
1:08:47
the world like of course he was a not he was well in 1927 I don't even blame him
1:08:55
yeah he was a kid born like 20 years before the end of the World War II like
1:09:00
of course he was 18 when World War II ended so like yeah like he obviously was like I
1:09:08
have to protect the Homeland from everybody else but but you know it's one of those
1:09:14
things where it's like yeah I get it and also it's still wrong like don't be a Nazi but I get why you
1:09:22
were but just also it's so wrong yeah I'm being a Nazi you stand up and say
1:09:27
hey man don't be Nazi I have a I have a Biden Harris sticker on my car and I called it a profile encourage because
1:09:34
I'm gonna drive through the small town with my bite Instagram hey what do you think's gonna happen do you think that
1:09:40
Bunny's gonna get through the primary because I think that he's gonna get challenged like I mean Bobby Kennedy
1:09:45
junior is going to challenge him but like man that is tough to see Biden doing like a a debate against like a
1:09:51
primary Challenger like if he actually if we get like a good Democratic candidate up there like you'll be tough
1:09:57
for Biden I think I think no I don't think so we don't really do that no I mean we don't
1:10:04
Republicans do that but Democrats don't really do that I think Bobby Kennedy's gonna try
1:10:09
well yeah but he's a piece of crap we've talked about that before didn't did it Taylor didn't he not announce when
1:10:15
somebody went and posted on our Facebook page about Bobby Kennedy he had an announce yet had he
1:10:21
no he hadn't and and then because I I just talked about I was posting about how he sucks and someone was like he's a
1:10:28
great Democrat I'm like no it's not he's a [ __ ] vaccine denier piece of crap
1:10:34
uh it's a seriously theorists dude it's gonna be interesting because like because that's my take on it too I'm
1:10:40
like there's no chance this guy gets more than 20 feet through the primary without
1:10:47
getting just bashed over the skull with his anti-back stuff and then I was like dude I thought the same thing about
1:10:52
Trump I literally said the exact same stuff about Trump it's different it's just different like
1:10:59
I just I feel like it's well no okay maybe I'm wrong because the thing that Trump does is it validates people's hate
1:11:05
and their stupidity so if you're a Democrat you're looking for someone to validate your stupidity
1:11:11
Bobby Kennedy is your guy yeah you know yeah he's he just like he might
1:11:16
hit that he might scratch a very specific itch
1:11:22
and who knows what happens right who knows what the Republicans do which ends up taking swing voters to one side of
1:11:27
the other like there's so much to be defined yet but it's um how can you be a [ __ ] swing quarter I don't know I
1:11:34
dude [Music] it was was it Bill Maher who was like if
1:11:40
you are undecided you must have like a brain tumor like there's remember this
1:11:45
there's like a 2016 election I was like last like two weeks of the election and those are the people who make the who
1:11:51
made decisions yeah
1:11:56
the least informed of I don't know Define all of our futures is that crazy
1:12:04
yeah and during like doing all these things or just people like trying to survive you know and then you can so you
1:12:09
can be like I don't know I don't I don't care about it it doesn't affect me but like it does so that's why you have to
1:12:15
care about it but also let's just try to live your life I don't know I can see our next podcast being
1:12:22
political should we battle should we just have like a battle it out on like field and everybody gets to where
1:12:29
armor um I think that's called a civil war
1:12:34
oh no I think you're advocating for Civil War I backed into that one
1:12:39
yeah it happens it happens well oh my God so am I
1:12:46
my aunt and uncle are traveling through the country right now I miss went to Gettysburg and we have like a great great great great great great
1:12:51
grandfather who died there on the bad side he was badly and which is terrible
1:12:57
and like I feel gross about it but um there's like a Tavern that our family used to own like some gravestones and
1:13:02
like plaques like all the family was like like a big family there in that area which is cool it's cool to like know that about them but then I was
1:13:09
saying that the bones of the Confederate soldiers were like my great great whatever Grandpa's bones would have been
1:13:15
in that pile in the 1960s a bunch of like women like raised money in Virginia
1:13:21
to have them taken back to Virginia and I'm like those [ __ ] racist [ __ ] in 1960 being like this is we're gonna
1:13:27
spend our money on let's dig up these Confederate soldiers and bring their bones back south that's why you don't
1:13:33
have anything else going on nothing like they should have raised a child into thinking that they have
1:13:41
leukemia like that would have given them life more purpose but like I know that's part of me like I also buy into the
1:13:48
whole we are a product of the time we're born into and also like there's gotta be a cut-off
1:13:55
like if you think owning people is good that has to be the cutoff Point like
1:14:01
that there's there's a Rubicon that you can't cross and that's probably the one that's
1:14:06
exactly exactly like you're you're you can't be smart and also think that's okay you can't be both again
1:14:14
ratzinger this [ __ ] guy like why again I understand it right you're
1:14:20
raising a time but also I don't know maybe the Germans didn't know what what Hitler was doing to the
1:14:25
Jews maybe like they thought like oh we're just trying to support our own Nation like I don't maybe like it was
1:14:31
okay being a Nazi back then because you didn't know what they were doing I don't know I think you knew what you wanted to
1:14:37
know you know uh yeah you know like in in in now and then in all these cases
1:14:43
like you know what you what you need to know to survive and whether that's like okay I need to like
1:14:49
[ __ ] yeah I'm gonna finally have permission to be an [ __ ] so I'm gonna do it or you're like I'm gonna ignore it
1:14:54
because I'm busy with my life and then all of a sudden it's so many bad things have happened and
1:15:01
you've you've let them happen yeah that's a good point I like that like that's that framing on it
1:15:07
thank God we're gonna be like that Taylor me and you I was just gonna say we're all complicit in the [ __ ] show we're living in right now
1:15:16
I've done nothing wrong to anybody ever
1:15:22
um I'm just trying to survive but um but yeah I wanted to I want to know more medieval stories I think it's super fun
1:15:27
a medieval battle sounds dope as hell and real scary and scary [ __ ] to see
1:15:33
those Titanic Knights coming at you if it's like oh they were like the white robes with like a big like red cross on
1:15:38
it you know or like a big black cross and they're just like come in to kill you they didn't do it Ben Foster the
1:15:44
movie I was thinking about was Alpha Dog remember that one I don't know let me see Justin Timberlake was in it
1:15:52
um Ben Foster played a Jewish Neo-Nazi which was incredible and
1:15:59
Justin Timberlake and his friends kidnapped
1:16:05
Ben Foster's stepbrother and like that's how they all kind of got tied in together because Ben Foster owed him
1:16:11
Drug Money huh never seen it no there's definitely a
1:16:17
product of its time though I'm watching the trailer no it's a good one it's going it's actually a true story like it actually legitimately happened
1:16:23
Bruce Willis is in it yeah Bruce Wilson and Sharon Stone is in a Justin Timberlake
1:16:28
there's two really famous actors who one of them ended up dying oh Anton Yelchin
1:16:33
the guy who died in this thing that was terrible yes his Jeep crushed him oh what an awful way to die but he was in
1:16:40
it he was a kid who ends up getting killed in real life too that's a it's a good watch it's a really
1:16:45
good watch especially when you know it's a true story you're like and like they actually stayed super close to the source so like it's actually how it went
1:16:53
down like they literally were like we now are in too deep and have no idea how to extricate ourselves from the
1:16:59
situation we have no choice but to kill this kid like that's actually what ended up happening like they didn't want to kill him you know like we have no we
1:17:05
went too far we have no choice it's [ __ ] crazy yeah and it's crazy that's crazy
1:17:11
and I feel you have a lot of morals of the story today don't be a Nazi and don't be a pope you
1:17:18
know what if you can prevent being if somebody ever asks you to be a pope or to create a papacy at home don't do it I
1:17:27
don't know or do it and call yourself an anti-pope
1:17:32
which is like a dope ass thing to call yourself that's exactly I'd be like let's bring the jewels to me instead
1:17:38
y'all I'll get you into heaven yeah I'll write you a receipt and uh yeah 100
1:17:46
start your own start your own church then go all the way why not nothing
1:17:51
could possibly go wrong you'll be fine what are you doing the rest of the night
1:17:58
um oh my God I'm gonna watch succession don't tell me have you watched it don't tell me anything no I don't watch succession okay today is the last
1:18:05
episode today's last episode and so I'm very excited nervous slash
1:18:10
all the things and wait I'm on my phone I have to like stop talking to you because I cannot be on my computer for the next hour and a half because I don't
1:18:17
want to accidentally see something okay yeah first people on the East Coast have seen it and I just can't so um but yeah
1:18:22
I'm very excited cool yeah it was fun I'm gonna go smoke a cigar and play
1:18:29
fetch with Luna I had a dream that I bought a pack of Marlboro Reds which is like not what I would buy if I was buying cigarettes but I was like real
1:18:35
excited about it Taylor I don't like smoking cigarettes but I would definitely if you come here next time and we like
1:18:41
get drunk and we will definitely get a pack of cigarettes 100 no I can't because I would be a smoker but if we
1:18:46
ever are like no but once if you did it well no I know it's so fun though it's so I know
1:18:52
that's why I dream about it and I know I can't do it but if I remember like the world's definitely gonna end in five
1:18:58
years they're not smoking like immediately I'm gonna go buy a 10 pieces of cigarettes so we'll see I'm not wrong right so like smoking
1:19:05
is fun it's the best it's so fun I love it yeah so when I was in when I was in
1:19:10
Ireland I took this one or um somebody I forgot who it was remembered John who took a picture of me and I was in my
1:19:17
three-piece suit with my pocket watch and I had my leg up and I was like smoking a cigarette and I looked
1:19:22
so cool it makes you so cool so cool and and I was just like I can never use this
1:19:30
picture anywhere like I changed on social media on professional social media I can't use it on dating apps like
1:19:36
nothing but it's like the coolest picture of me that's ever been I'm gonna text it to you yeah no I remember if I
1:19:43
smoked cigarettes for a long time and then when Juan and I were dating first time to date I did and then he was like we would never have found each other on
1:19:49
dating apps because you would have said you smoked and I wouldn't and I would never have dated someone who smoked and I was like I would have lied what are
1:19:56
you talking about yeah yeah 100 would have lied yeah who who actually is themselves on a dating app like I've
1:20:02
never been on one but I'm pretty sure I would have lied about being a smoker okay Taylor did you get my text messages
1:20:09
dude look at those boots look at the boots the three-piece dude like it is the coolest [ __ ] dude I got the beads I
1:20:18
got a pocket wash the three piecer like it it is it's on point and I can't use it
1:20:24
anywhere such a waste I know I know well I mean
1:20:32
yeah I wish that there was more Research into making cigarettes not kill you because I would love to decide that
1:20:39
I can start smoking again I mean if this podcast doesn't take off I can be your get rich plan as safe
1:20:45
smoking I'm sure they would have done it if they could with all those people who smoke Jewel pods whose lungs are falling
1:20:50
apart right now so uh this like I said I think this will kill you like this is so
1:20:55
much worse than smoking a cigarette I can feel it like killing me right now yeah those