We first published this episode a year ago and WOW things have changed for Gypsy since then! She's out of jail, she was married and flaunting her marital bliss, and now she's getting a divorce. She's been on tons of podcasts, shows, and all over the news. We're just happy that she's happy.
We first published this episode a year ago and WOW things have changed for Gypsy since then! She's out of jail, she was married and flaunting her marital bliss, and now she's getting a divorce. She's been on tons of podcasts, shows, and all over the news. We're just happy that she's happy.
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hi friends this is Taylor from Doom to fail with a podcast that brings you every week bring you two episodes of
History's Greatest failures and disasters and this is episode 22 part
one if you're new just so you know we did our first 26 episodes as two two
stories per episode right and then they got really long so now we do it twice a week one story per U episode so the
first 26 episodes we're going to re-release as as one offs and this is one of them we're nearing the end so
episode episode this is terrible but I'm not going to start over so we're still going episode 22 part one was on Gypsy
Rose Blanchard and can I tell you how much stuff has changed between the time that we actually published this actually
almost exactly a year ago on May 29th 2023 and now it is May 10th
2024 um Gypsy Rose is out of jail she got out of jail with a flourish was
married married to a man who she is now divorced from and now she's living this fabulous single life out in the world so
um lots of stuff changed since this episode aired and you can definitely Google her to find out more but here's
the first part of I'm sure many many parts to come of the story of Gypsy Rose
Blanchard enjoy in a matter of the people of the State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09
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country okay if you're good to go we're good to kick things off I'm good to go
let's do it cool I'm wait no I'm not fars I am fars um
welcome so far so good I've been at brunches and drinking Espress martinis
since like [ __ ] 10 amm so like I'm having a hard time welcome to Doom the fail the podcast where we explore two
stories one historical One True Crime around red flaggy relationships that we're doomed to fail I'm fars joined
here by Taylor hi Taylor hello there we go we got some pep we got some pep and
Taylor Stu we're we're both a little out of it well I'm a little out of it Taylor's hosting a lot of people and uh
yeah there's a lot going on in both of our lives at the moment so it's true I'm sitting on the floor in my bedroom but I felt uncomfortable sitting on the bed so
my computer's on the bed and I'm sitting on the floor yeah it's cool it's cool are those trays just random trays behind
you or what is that yes because I do have a plan so someday we're going to renovate this house and add like another
room and so I'll have to move my office so when I move my office in this hypothetical situation in the main in
the far future I want to do a dark blue wall with a mirror in the middle and then just like as many silver platters
as I possibly can around it so these are my first three silver platters so is
there like some symbolism to that nope I just have dope style and I want to put
it in my office you do have dope sty you do have dope sty I kind of I think I might steal that from you now actually
and personally with that um cool so Taylor I per usual uh I'm wondering who
goes first I think it's me I it's you okay it is me so why don't you share your drink and then I'll share my drink
and my story sounds good um so this week we are drinking the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ wow okay man you
went all the way in went M cool wet your appetite for some Dead Guy blood we got
some wine okay no flesh just the wine
piece yeah yeah you don't want to like damp in the buzz by eating too we're just going to drink it's true it's true
so I um I told Taylor that it's it's been like a boozy Sunday for me it like
started with like brunch and having espresso martinis and it just kept
snowballing from there so I'm just going to call out Espress martinis as being delicious they're absolutely amazing
yeah one of the best drinks you can have in the morning not every morning like
mornings oh a nice weekend vacation morning long weekend morning you're right exactly um
so that would be uh my drink and I'm G to it has nothing to do with our story
absolutely nothing to do with my story but I did have Ros also this morning like fro fro like frozen Ros and the
name of the person we're talking about today is Rose oh well there you go it is
Gypsy Rose o didn't see that one coming did you I
didn't see that one coming see because because because it's so like different
right it's it's a abuse between child and parent versus like a couple
which is like a very very unique Dynamic so um the two parties here are going to
be Gypsy Road Blanchard and her mom Dee and I'm going to start wrath bat saying
that I'm so thrilled that Dei was just [ __ ] stamped to death and just gutted
like a fish like that was somebody who absolutely had be killed yes no she's
she's the baddy 100% like if anything I feel really bad that the people who
killed her were punished at all like it's just like it's it's so unjust to me so you're aware of the story right yes
okay okay so let's get into the main
characters like I mentioned we are talking about a mother daughter Dynamic the mother's name is going to be Dei the
daughter's name is going to be Rose or sorry gypsy gypsy Rose is what she's
referred to so Dei was born her name was Claude when she was born her name was
Claud Dean pet Tre in 1967 she was raised in a pretty large family with five siblings and um generally speaking
the assessment is that she's kind of a [ __ ] from birth like her family seemed to always dislike her and
apparently they later on suspected that she actually killed her own mother although nobody could prove anything
because why would you cuz everybody's dead right ended up dying her mom ended up dying so who cares but long story
short it yeah well there's actually a lot more to like how de's Dynamic with
her family plays out but we'll get to that in a little bit so de later on uh
ended up meeting a guy named Rod Blanchard when she was 24 and he was 17 I saw the guy I saw interviews with him
like he's like a normal dude like he's just like he's not what you would think
of as like an average 56 yearold guy like he's actually like super put
together like like yeah he was he was definitely like Dei definitely punched
above her weight by hooking up with Rod is what I'm gonna what I'm goingon to say I totally agree I feel like I that's
I gathered that from things as well like he was yes yeah yeah yeah he was a good dude and then obviously in this
situation so she's 24 he's 17 obviously it's like a one night stand situation where she gets knocked up Rod is clearly
trying to extricate him from the situation so he leaves DD obviously um
and then shortly after the separation Dei gives birth to their child Gypsy who
will become the other main character of today's story so Dei started being kind of a
helicopter parent in the worst way almost immediately with Gypsy so she was
convinced early on that Gypsy had different issues one of the main issues I heard with sleep apnea was one of the
things that she kept saying like Gypsy has sleep apnea so we have to take her to the hospital and she would take her to the hospital and do overnight like
testing with doctors all the time like was like over the top level of like trying to
fake this is water tayor where like I don't actually know how I feel about this like was the person crazy to begin
with or were they over the top parenting and then turn I I don't know what it is
I know that she turned crazy and insane eventually but I don't know how it started with like an infant like they
have sleep at like what are you talking about like kids don't get you know like
that's like for like old heavyweight overweight people like M anyways like my
assessment was like she probably started out having some sort of psychological issu to begin with and that's how it started the mom DD D yeah yeah yeah um
it's funny because I I was thinking about this how like I how little I take care of myself so recently Taylor it's
really funny because um I started tasting like copper in my mouth
constantly and like I'd occasionally just like I like like be in the shower and I'd spit and it' be like it would be
pink and I'm like what is going on like it's like my body is like deteriorating
before my eyes like it literally just started and I'm like how did this happen
but I'm I'm going to get it taken care of I'm G to taken care what what is that what could it be so I read that it could be gum
disease but a gum disease is usually preceded by hosis and like I don't have
bad breath like well the way you bre Breathe Right breath right there no you don't but I
just hope that you don't die so I'm glad to you should go to the doctor yeah yeah I'm going to go to the dentist like I was just thinking about it in the
context of like this woman would pursue such insane medical care for their for
her kid and I'm just sitting here like I don't know my [ __ ] gums are bleeding my heart stops every 3 minutes and I'm
just like whatever I'll I'll work it out whenever I work it out she was like over the top obnoxious so like to the extent
where like doctors would start telling people other doctors just like ignore her like just don't deal with this and
push her aside so that's basically like how the kind of came across just super
overbearing over the top and yeah she felt like she was doing the right thing as a mom or she was crazy I don't know I
don't know if it was doing the right thing his mom or she was crazy TBD what do you think I think she was crazy I
think it's I think she just wanted the attention but it but with like a child
with like a baby I mean it's like literal psych psychological disease the
m and by proxy like it's a thing like there's been other cases of it you know
so I researched that it's actually called Munch Housen syndrome by proxy well close I just missed the word
syndrome no I know because I'm telling you now because earlier on in the oh later on in the outline I wrote Munch
Housen by proxy syndrome and then I got to the very end and I was like let's research this disorder and then I found
out it's Munch Housen syndrome by proxy and I changed the end but not the middle
so when I say it I'm going to say it wrong and just not note that um so okay
going going back to the story so at one point in um in gypsy's childhood uh Dei
made her use a walker because she basically told her she had muscular distrophy and that she required required
it to walk and Gypsy like she does what her name's so stupid that it makes me
like I feel bad saying it's like oh Gypsy of course Gypsy believes what our Gypsy so it's like it's like it's any
kid that's from that's from a movie is it gypsy gypsy Ros Lee is like a person
oh okay I learn everything something new every time but like my point being like it's like a kid like any kid is going to
believe what their parents tell them and Gypsy believed it she believed that she had muscular distopy and she would use a
walker and later on she would use a a wheelchair as well so going back to part
of like how de was trying to manipulate this situation she started downplaying
how old gypsy was so for example there were stories of when she was eight or
sorry when she was 10 she would tell people that Gypsy was eight when Gypsy was 18 she would tell people that Gypsy
was 14 there's no consistency in terms of the age differential but she would constantly be changing this age because
she wanted her to seem younger and more ill and all all
basically oh my God suffice to say it's seems obvious but Gypsy was homeschooled
obviously which just gave all the control to the mom in one bit of interesting trivia I learned I also
literally just downloaded the Harry Potter game so it's like it's awesome and it relates to this as well is that
Gypsy only learned despite the fact that she was doing homeschool lessons she only learned how to read because she
taught herself so she could read Harry Potter books oh my God yeah this kid taught it herself how to read and
literally Harry Potter was the reason why and also the video game is fantastic Hogwarts Legacy if you don't have it go
download it talk about it before yes I'm sure we have so ultimately Dee would
fall in hard times and moveing with her father and her stepmother she really really apparently disliked her stepmom
and apparently that was a mutual feeling all around it was suspected that she was actually poisoning her stepmom with weed
killer it's crazy de was de was stepmom and and later on I'm going to get to
this like they moved away they moved into their own own uh house after this and then immediately the Stepmom got
well like she was sick she would always be sick horrible circumstances and then
Dei and Gypsy leave and all of a sudden she's fine and everybody's like yep she was poisoning her is basically they come
to so assume she killed her mom assume she poison her stepmom and she did what
we know she did to Gypsy that's who Dei was one thing that was interesting was
that her parents also thought the way she treated Gypsy was really messed up and they would constantly confront her
on it be like this isn't normal like it's clear she can walk on her own like she would like stand up like she would like do her own thing and she's like no
no she she needs a walker she has to be in a wheelchair it's like no she doesn't like we can see what she's doing like she's totally fine Weir so yeah and that
was part of the divide that resulted in Gypsy and Dei leaving the house and
moving to a part of New Orleans which is where the kind of picks up around like when Katrina was going to hit o which
was like a big part of this actually I'm I'm going to talk about that a little bit so I I kind of going to talk [ __ ] a
little bit like because I feel like DD's kind of like a type of person so she um she was
one of those like she's always on public assistance always on welfare never works just literally goes to the hospital
takes her like I partially think that's part of the problem is like that's what
gives her her life meaning and value is my kid is sick and I take care of my kid
and like there's nothing else there's no career there's no work there's no events conferences whatever like none
of that goes on and so she's like yeah I just do this one particular thing I just take my kid to hospitals constantly back
and forth apparently so you know I don't know I feel like that has to be at least a part of it like I said she subsist
subsisted on public assistance and child support from gypsy's Dad rod and yeah I
feel like that might be a part of why she did what she did was just like like I got nothing else going on like this is all I have I'm gonna make this kid more
important than she needs to be in our own way exactly that's exactly the disease yeah and like I wrote down here
like I could actually go into a lot of detail about all the various treatments that Dei sought for
Gypsy or the various ways that she was like regaled as his hero mom or Gypsy
was regaled as a hero child but it's like constant like it's it would be like
it' be like 17 hours of like me just talking about like like every time something would happen some weird
nonprofit in the middle of nowhere would give them an award for being the bravest child of the week and then it's just it
was just like nonstop like like she put on a really good act of how to make her
seem sick and also was noted that like when Gypsy didn't act as sick as Dei
wanted Dei would like squeeze her hands be like no no no per up it was like it was like it was like a dog like training
a dog like how to like act in this room space so that was another piece of this as well is like that's when it jumped
the ship from like eh maybe she was like concerned to like no no she was deliberately trying to make this child
seem more sick than she was it got to a point actually where
where doctors would perform surger this is crazy doctors will perform surgeries on Gypsy for things that like
didn't she didn't have they like kind of existed but like no reputable doctor would do if
they thought it existed to like that extent like if like if you have like web feet for example a doctor's not going to
say let's chop your leg off so we can fix your web feet like like that's the extent of like she had issues a little
bit a tiny tiny tiny bit and doctors would buy into it because like I said like the the doctor Community was like
just do what this woman wants like she'll never leave you alone just get her to shut the [ __ ] up and just do what she wants basically um which is like
really really gross and that kind of Segways into the Katrina bit because I
do think that when Katrina hit and people from New Orleans were relocated there was already an inherent um I feel
bad for them nature of this mix that with like being a mom being a single mom
with a child who has like 17 different types of leukemia apparently like it's just like like it compounds everything
like we already had a giving spirit as a society and Community after Katrina hit
layer that on to the fact that you think this child is incredibly incredibly sick and that's what ends up happening so that's a piece of this as well that I'm
going to like layer in here is Katrina hits they live in New Orleans and they're relocated to Missouri so yeah I
WR I wrote down how she would like get awards for just like basically existing from every nonprofit in Missouri they
also if you well I mean first if you actually do have a child who has a chronic ill this like it does it is your life it is all you can do you know but
that's not what happened no I know but that's what I'm saying that's why people like believed her you know that that's why she like saw that life and like
thought it was something that she could do because it oh I see what you're saying I see you're saying like if you
are that level of like mentally ill this is a very easy and plausible way to like
get that kind of validation from society so gross so gross yeah I know
you're literally using your child as like a gross pawn and I just the doctor being involved I think is wild like I
feel like I I know you need to like get second opinions and like think twice before you do things with doctors but doctors shouldn't they should know
better so they should know better so they did so there's one doctor I'll get to here in a moment that literally was
like no I I saw what was going on and I was like she does not have muscular
distrophy like she can walk like she has the musculature and the joints strength
and all that stuff to actually walk and be ambulatory on her own but literally
the other doctors in their community that guy actually called her other doctor so this is a Missouri doctor he
called her doctors in in Louisiana and was like does this girl have muscular distrophy like she's like no we did all
the tests she does not have it like he confirmed all this but then everybody was like in the doctor Community was
like this woman's a [ __ ] pain in the ass like like just leave it alone like don't don't deal with this like was like
what you know they have they're supposed to First no harm isn't that the yeah
like yeah like there's there's a part of it where it's like okay so if you're just like if this is your job being treated like your job and get why you're
like I'm just going to check out of it but it's more than a job when you're a doctor right like you go layer beyond that so like maybe this guy should have
had that level of commitment investment in this but uh no that that guy actually comes up a lot later on because he was
the only person who went on the record at some point saying I think this is Munch hous and syndrome by proxy like
that has to be what's going on this girl should be able to walk all the tests indicate should be able to walk so but
anyways so going back to going back to like what what ends up happening so they move to Missouri and again with Katrina
hitting everybody has this giving spirit they end up getting a house for free
through Habitat for Humanity um with wheelchair ramps and everything like those are newsworthy right so the media
starts paying attention to in Gypsy you know they it's like they film them
walking into their new house or rolling into their new house whatever it is it's a whole love that [ __ ] it's like it's like oh here's like a single mom with a
very very sick child who you know is is getting something in life they would constantly get free stuff so they would
get fre get like Disney to concerts she was one of the makeawish foundation kids
so she would get like whatever she wanted from there at this point it seemed as though DD's expectations of
their life experiences were basically entirely dependent on Gypsy being so
super sick like of course G not super sick then we don't have this dope life
so one thing to note at this point is Gypsy has no idea how old she actually
is oh my God like I mentioned her mom keeps downplaying race so there's one story where her
dad who like tried to be involved actually again like this guy's not a [ __ ] yeah totally he wanted to like
call her and congratulate her on her 18th birthday and D goes this is a quote
she goes okay but don't tell her how old she is because she thinks she's 14 what crazy so that's where I would
say that D isn't the greatest guy in the world like come on you didn't you didn't
think was sus here like but he thought that she was sick too right like he believed her yeah he did he did yeah he
was involved but not involved to the extent of like I've been in the ER for the last eight weeks you know like like
it's like how can you doubt that how can you doubt is it is it genetic at
all I don't know I don't know I just wonder if like he could have been like
oh well may our family has it that's weird I don't I don't know well she she said he had she she said that um gypsy
had like muscular distrophy that she had cancer so she would um shave I was going
to get to this a little bit later I'll bring it up now she would shave her head it's awful yeah she would shave her head
to make her seem like she had cancer and this I didn't actually write down in the outline she had her um her saliva glands
removed and so because of that yeah she had her SL glands removed I forgot like
who did this what doctor did this but like she had that done and apparently I don't know what the SLA glands do
outside generating saliva but apparently it has a pretty dramatic impact on the Health and Longevity of her teeth so her
teeth literally all fell out after she had her s so she looked dude imagine
this you're looking like a 14-year-old girl bald head yeah when you when you lose your teeth you lose your face yeah
yeah bald head no teeth it's just gum staring at you and it's like like of course she has leukemia of course she
has whatever disease the mom says right like did she do that on purpose her teeth would fall out she didn't do it on
purpose because her teeth would fall out what I read was that she would um apparently Gypsy would like drool was
like I don't I don't totally understand but apparently just to a Dro and the mom was like over it and for some reason or
some how she convinced a doctor to remove her saliva gland something I'm like that has to be that had to be like a procedure done in the Philippines or
something like it can't be like a that's so serious of a thing yeah oh my God
yeah no she was horribly abused like that's the thing that's like that precedes every discussion of what ends
up happening on DD is like she was a monster I wonder are you going to talk more about Munch CH syndrome epoxy no
I'm you know what I probably should have done a bunch of research on that but like I I I got to the point where I like
was like I'm calling this the wrong thing and that's basically it so I I wonder I mean I I feel like well most
psychology is like new you know in the past like 100 years or 200 years or whatever I wonder how many times this
happened like in the history of the world where like a parent has been like I need help because I have this
child whatever you know or like had a little bit of attention and then like continue to do it or like maybe they
were like oh my my baby died and I got a ton of attention so they just like did it again you know stuff like that I
wonder I mean I'm sure it's happened before this feels like an extreme
version of that like it is but like I don't know I feel like it's in the news every couple years someone kills their
kid yeah yeah I can believe that having surgery like getting to the point where you do surgery and stuff is like kind of
intense but oh yeah and that's 100% on the doctors that's 100% on the doctors
100% yeah totally agree like I don't know how you convince a doctor to take the [ __ ] saliva glands out of a child
but that's crazy crazy I mean that was a reason why she lost her entire teeth again I don't know what the dynamic is I don't know why saliva glands what that
has to do with like Teeth longevity but she that happened yeah so and you see
the pictures if you look at pictures of her you can see she has yeah yeah it was awful yeah like I
was I was like I wrote here I was like I was like she gave birth to a perfect healthy baby and turned her into like
this crazy disabled person through this treatment it's like it's insane to how
you can how you can do that to someone yeah yeah and and there was this one
physician in Missouri who was like ran blood tests on her was like her blood tests were all normal we did ran tests
on her standing up and her ambulatory skills and they're normal she's normal like there's nothing wrong with her
Mobility whatsoever and that was the point when like everybody was like she called her the doctor in Louisiana was
like yep everything's normal and other doctors like stop it like just drop it like just drop the topic This Woman's
[ __ ] pain in the ass like she'll never leave you alone if you don't drop this and he just dropped it which like
again I'm over two minds of it as a professional like it's not my fight to win but it's like as a doctor isn't it
kind of your fight to win I don't know it's 100% their fight to win that's their job yeah you know they took on
that responsibility when they became a [ __ ] doctor you know like you can have my job but no one's going to die if
I don't do my job you know but if you have a job where someone's gonna die if you don't do it then you need to [ __ ]
do it as you know what though Taylor as famous podcasters don't you think that
we save like one suicide a week by being of lives have been saved by listening to
this there you go dozens I mean just like regular lives like people were like what is my purpose and listen to this
and they're like now I have a purpose I'm not sure why the the crown we wear
is heavier than you think I think we all five of you stop down playing it bless us bless
you bless you five no no no we're we're we're blown up we're going to be famous um so going back to the story Gypsy
eventually reached the age where she started having an interest in boys and wanting to do things other than just basically pretending to be an invalid
her entire time and she actually I'm so sorry to yell about you say reached to
the age like she doesn't even know how old she is so like I think it happens right like it's
like it's I know but I started liking girls like I didn't know how old I don't remember how old I was it was like one day you wake up like oh wow like that's
cool um no I'm thinking what I'm thinking is like how long was she going to pretend
she was a teenager was she going to like keep moving and like pushing it back until she was like 30 you know she
actually faked her birth certificate actually like she went over the top like she literally went to the extent of faking her birth certificate to try and
make her seem younger that actually comes up here in a minute like the fact that she did that like yeah I don't know what the game plan was it feels like
there's not a lot of strategy here but it didn't work like it matter what it was but actually Gypsy seems kind of
cool like this is the part where it's like not so Sinister as like she gets s to comics and she goes to comiccons and
she meets guys there and like Do's all this stuff and that's actually where it goes sideways her mom finds out that
she's at this like hotel room with this guy at a ComicCon and she shows up and she brings a forged birth certificate
that I think said she was like 15 or 14 or something along those lines and just shoved in this guy's face saying like
hey you ever contact her again and you're going to jail for the rest of your life like this is going to be statutory rape situation like it was
fake like she was 18 like she was an adult and the mom faked his birth certificate and dragged her back home so
that was an ongoing thesis here is like her finding slivers of escape and then
being drug back to this hellish existence it was after this situation
that Gypsy meets the other I'm going to call protagonist of the story who's a guy
named Nicholas go John they met online and they grew
rather close with one another close enough to where the two started discussing getting married at one point and they would eventually meet in person
and kick off like a sexual relationship between the two of them apparently Gypsy
was like very self-aware what was going on in this situation so like she told uh Nicholas what was happening with the mom
and this is when they started kind of plotting out how to just get D out of
the the equation apparently mhm so part of this was we escape the other part was
we kill her so like it was like a balancing of two ideas and the idea was that we got to go with that we kill her
situation because that's the only way to be truly free of this woman it's like again I also want to kill her I never
met this woman in my life I would gladly hold her head under water until she stopped breathing like she sounds like the worst human like
I mean at the very least she should be in jail like she should not have a child admit she should be dead admit you admit
no no no I agree with you I think she I think I think she better off without her you know she's a terrible human being I
know this is a pattern for you but um but no I think at the very least she should not have that child like she
should not be allowed to yeah so gross so by this point Gypsy is like obviously
fully aware there's a life outside of what she's been experiencing she's out this like I mean good for her thank God
for the internet sometimes yeah no kidding no kid sometimes [ __ ] the internet but sometimes good job internet
yeah yeah totally totally and you know at this point she'd
been she understand I mean I know she doesn't know how old she is but you get that like you don't Vibe with like I
know I don't Vibe with like a 15-year-old you know what I mean like I don't need to you don't have to tell me I'm 38 like I know I don't there's a
difference there right and so she understood that things weren't exactly what they were and she kind of EV all Beyond it
so I will say this I love what Nicholas ended up doing to DD I think it's
awesome like I want to make Christmas cards with him stabbing her to death and send to all my friends and family but I
also think it's a little [ __ ] up because it's kind of like like you don't even know this woman in
is his life is his life ruined essentially yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah life in prison first murder like he's
done he's done for but it's like like I love what he did but I'm also like
man you could also just tell her like hey let's like go to Cancun you know
like it like wasn't his it wasn't his responsibility or job to do that but like because no because so many people
failed her I feel like yeah all the doctors doctors psychologists
therapists it's funny it's funny you said that because like the dad and the Stepmom who
was being poisoned consist L when all this ends up happening they were like
yeah she deserved it like literally her dad and her stepmom were like we're glad that she's dead she deserved this I mean
I don't I mean I I have like family members who are annoying but like I don't have anyone like deeply deeply
toxic like that's a whole different thing yeah yeah well this all escalates
in June of 2015 uh Gypsy and Nicholas start kind of putting their plan of how to extricate
themselves under DD grip in action Gypsy basically lets n Nicholas in the house
while de is asleep she hands him a knife she hands him gloves she hands him duct like it was like a whole plan and the
idea was for Nicholas to kill DD like that's thing that's like interesting is like you go from this like extreme of
like I'm a goooo gaga baby to like let's [ __ ] kill the [ __ ] like it's just so
crazy how that flip happens but I can imagine the rage has to be over the top
I don't know what it's like my parents did not treat me like I was an invalid [ __ ] half my age yeah most my life
but like I can imagine her like the rage has to be so real that makes you like think that way
but um so Nicholas goes in the house and yeah the whole plan was Nicholas you do
this you go you kill Dee and yeah like it was it was it was a great outcome for
everybody in the world Nicholas ends up stabbing her 17 times in her bedroom until she dies which is [ __ ] awesome
like kudos to him um I want to be friends with him I don't want to have like a barbecue with him but like I'm G
to say again Nicholas is not a happy ending for him not totally not a happy ending for him but he's also [ __ ] up
because who would do that that's true right so not like not everyone would
just be like yeah totally it's like the whole the the joke that Juan laughed at that one time you just trip over [ __ ]
scumbags every now and then it's like I I how this guy's just like randomly I've
met a lot of women and and any number of them could have asked me to kill somebody I wouldn't have done it like
it's it's so overthe toop extreme it's true but uh this happens and then
shortly afterwards I mean they spend a few days in hotels then they make their way up to where Nicholas lives up in Wisconsin during this time uh apparently
Gypsy was logged into DD's Facebook account it would post comments like as
her and one of them was the [ __ ] is dead like it's just like you're the
worst criminal in the world you're the worst criminal that's ever existed and she would just post this stuff and so people started being like what's going
on like cuz think about everybody who knows him is like this sweet family of this invalid child and like now it's
like this [ __ ] is dead it's like what like where the [ __ ] from who even say that say those words who would say that
anyways much less like a child who's like an invalid at 12 years old so friends and neighbors started getting
concerned they call the police police ended up searching the house and they found de's body yeah I wrote down how
everybody when this happened was so concerned for Gypsy cuz everybody in the town was like this poor kid has no
options like whoever the fact that she's on here and the fact that her mom is dead means that she is probably on her
way to dying soon as well because she doesn't have have her medicine her air tanks were at home her wheelchairs like
how is this kidnaps yeah all of it oh totally and so everybody's everybody's
mostly just concerned about the kid uh one of the one of gypsy's friends who was in town and knew about Nicholas
mentioned that they were like kind of a thing and police started looking into him and they reached out to Facebook and
asked Facebook to run IP traces on DD's Facebook account and they ran the traces
because the posts were so unusual that like it obviously Drew red flags and
they were like these were all originating from Wisconsin and they knew that she was seeing a guy from Wisconsin
they're like oh this is Gypsy and they end up going to Wisconsin there they ended up arresting them and
it was obvious like these were not master criminals they were kids they were scared kids it's I know the crime sounds brutal but it's like they were
just stupid kids like you know Nicholas is is is a kid gypsy was like more than a kid like I don't even know how to
explain like she was like so stunted in her growth and her development like so so they immediately caved and admitted
what they ended up doing everybody admits that the plan was for Nicholas to go in the house it was unanimous like both
Nicholas and Gypsy were like Yep this was the plan like they all came together on that piece of it
and they what I found really interesting about this case was that the prosecution could have pursued the death penalty so
Missouri has the death penalty as an option and this was going to be a first G murder charge they ended up deciding
that they're not going to pursue like this is so weird this is so beyond the
pale of anything we've ever seen that like we can't we can't do this and so they thought it would be like an
abnormal degree of punishment to pursue the death penal so they didn't regardless Nicholas was ultimately found
guilty as I mentioned earlier and he got life in prison which like again thank you Nicholas for murdering this woman
the world is better for you having done it and also just like dude you could have just gone on to the next match on
Tinder like you didn't the fact that you wanted to do this is like a little bit weird so you're not
wrong I was writing if I if I met a girl on Bumble tomorrow who said kill my mom i'' be like yeah maybe should think
about this a little bit yeah hopefully you would not do it how old was he when he did it I don't know I I don't know
what what is I don't know if you I mean you do dumb things when you're young but I also never killed anybody so it
doesn't count as my dumb things you never killed anyone no no
never not yeah the murderer was in
2015 how old is is Nicholas he's 33 now so in 2015 how many
years ago was that that was eight years ago yeah eight years ago so he's 33 now
so he would have been 25 all right I mean that's old enough to know yeah yeah
yeah if he was like 15 you know I'd be like well blah blah blah I mean again
it's it's complicated because like yes she needed to go but also no you should
not like you should leave it to other people you should never be the person who does it yeah totally yeah yeah so uh yeah
Nicholas ends up getting life in prison which like sucks again Gypsy got off
pretty light she ended up getting a secondary murder charge in 10 years in prison one of the things that Gypsy said
I read this quote while she was incarcerated she said I feel like I'm more free in prison than with than
living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live as a normal woman like like she let her just like walk
around dude like she's she literally feel feels like prison is like freedom
for her like that's so and like there was nothing there was nothing in her
experience that would make her feel like there was some for her to go because like there were adults around her all the [ __ ] time and no one did anything
yeah you know whether or not they were like afraid of Dee or believed Dei or like didn't want to intrude or like just
wanted to not deal with her like whatever but like dozens dozens of capable adults were around her and
didn't help her see it didn't help her she could could big whatever I think
like I think like a I don't think Gypsy should have gotten any Jael time and I don't think Nicholas should have either
but I also don't want Nicholas to be my neighbor because if I sneeze the wrong way he might [ __ ] kill me too like I
he just he just seems really easygoing with the stabbing people to death peace but like yeah it's just like as a
society we should decide who we put into a forest and we all hunt and Dei was one
of those people that should have been like the running man that we just put into a forest and we all just pursue and kill try and kill that is not um not the
moral of the running man just I want did I get the wrong did I do the wrong movie
yes no no that is the running man but I'm saying that the moral of the running man is not we should put someone out and
everyone just hunt them together the moral of that is that it's bad in this case it's not that
bad like in this case can we make a pass for this case actually juster boy this
case and that other guy that I talked about those three can go into the running man this is becoming a pattern for
you um so yeah Gypsy ends up getting 10 years on second recharges uh and you
know what's funny is like she actually ended up getting married last year so in June of 2022 she ended up getting married to some random guy so the guy
that killed the mom man this is what guys men especially younger men if you're listening to me never do
a thing for women that could impact your life because it will like they will move
on and you'll be stuck with it this guy killed a woman for the girl he loved and
that he's in jail for the rest of his life and she's married to someone else like just don't do it just don't do it
you disagree with me I don't know I just feel like you're being a little to toxic
masculinity right there because like you can do stuff for other people but don't
break the law for someone how's that yeah that's that's a good middle that's good middle ground yeah that's not toxic
masculinity that's more like just like I don't know but I feel like validation and blah blah blah yeah
he's yes yes his life is ruined every a lot of Liv are ruined but not gypsies her life is better but but
that's my point is that his life is ruined I know in her life isn't I know
but he did it for her so like well I'm saying just like think twice like don't don't say never
to do something for someone don't do NE yeah NE that's extreme not never but like if it gets the point when a girl is
handing you a knife at midnight if she unlocks a door to her mom's bedroom yes think twice just think she will marry
another man and you will be in jail for the rest of your life like that's what I'm saying it's 100% true yes um so yeah
that was that's basically how the story ends she's still in jail obviously he's in jail for the rest of his life like
he's not going to get out anytime soon uh this happened in 2015 so in theory she will have served her entire sentence
and be released in about 2 years she might get off a little bit early she might be getting off like in the next like year but that's gypsy's story and
like I said I definitely and the world is a better
place because DD is dead and that's hard to say but I truly think that yeah she
just did a lot of bad things awful human built nonprofits out of God knows how much money built hospit
oh totally I forgot about that too yeah where could have G to help someone else dude took a a home out of habitat for
which could have gone to like somebody who actually needed a home like she was a scumbag like she was just garbage
wrapped in skin like through and through but anyways she's dead thank God thanks
Nicholas hope you're listening yeah if you're listening right to us tell her agent
oh my gosh so funny so funny that is uh yeah that is
my story and I wish I had Taylor because you mentioned it like I wish I had looked it up because at the very end of
this I was like the ultimate cause of D's behavior is and then I looked it up and it's Munch Housen syndrome by proxy
which I earlier called Munch Housen proxy by whatever um but I I but I
didn't go into the weeds of researching what it actually was or many instances of there of it there was but uh that
would be yeah that could be an interesting second second part of this yeah I'm sure there's a lot