This week Taylor goes back to the Gothic tale of Mary and Percy Shelley. There’s a lot of poetry, free love, and that odd ‘poor but rich-poor’ way of traveling around Europe. There’s also so much sadness, many babies that never got to grow up, dreams that never came true, and a string of broken hearts. But also Frankenstein! It’s a story about a man who gave humanity science that quite possibly humanity doesn’t deserve. (We’ve been through this with the Curies!) Farz delves into the randomness of life to tell the story of the murders of the Petit Family in Connecticut - The Cheshire home invasion murders. When two criminals see the Petit family at a store they follow them home and commit the most atrocious crime. It’s ‘In Cold Blood’ all over again - but this time, the police had a chance to save the family, and 110% failed. We’re doomed. https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod
This week Taylor goes back to the Gothic tale of Mary and Percy Shelley. There’s a lot of poetry, free love, and that odd ‘poor but rich-poor’ way of traveling around Europe. There’s also so much sadness, many babies that never got to grow up, dreams that never came true, and a string of broken hearts.
But also Frankenstein! It’s a story about a man who gave humanity science that quite possibly humanity doesn’t deserve. (We’ve been through this with the Curies!)
Farz delves into the randomness of life to tell the story of the murders of the Petit Family in Connecticut - The Cheshire home invasion murders. When two criminals see the Petit family at a store they follow them home and commit the most atrocious crime. It’s ‘In Cold Blood’ all over again - but this time, the police had a chance to save the family, and 110% failed.
We’re doomed.
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So my main source was the book Mary Shelley by Miranda Seymour
Shelley’s in the public domain
Petit family from Today, Oprah
Linda Hayes - from The New Haven Register
Joshua Komisarjevsky - from the AP
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welcome to Doom to fail the podcast will discuss two doomed to fail red flaggy
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relationships one historical One True Crime I'm far as joined here by Taylor hi Taylor hello Taylor's had a really
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really busy morning and she has a really busy death for this there was the
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kids baseball game or softball game that she ball yep the last t-ball game of the
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season uh and then she has a piano recital to get to and then a lot of wine
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to hopefully train later tonight when the kids are asleep 100 yeah it's my
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birthday weekend June my birthday's on Monday no Facebook didn't tell me I'll tell you it'll tell you like on the day
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okay that's not helpful um what do you have planned besides all this stuff that
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you do with the kids I know exactly I was gonna ask if I could um take a nap tomorrow like most of the day
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celebration together you're giving yourself yeah I was I was trying to game plan out
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our Halloween activities because we got to start thinking about this like now and I was gonna message you and Jay and
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ask if there's any interest in going to Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando this year I just made a Florida face
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I know but the one in the one in Orlando is so much better than the one in L.A
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I think about it yeah I'll message a message that sounds fun it sounds fun but it's like parties like they got a
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wedding like the next month like they were they really gonna want to like travel you know on like one weekend that they don't have to so TBD but yeah we
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can go ahead and kick things off and Taylor you know I had a night last night I don't remember who goes first with
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this I think I do you go first okay yeah so I need to tell you a drink and I don't have a drink so we're gonna have
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to brainstorm this together in real time together what did you drink last night uh I had bourbon but I only have like
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one glass of bourbon and then I drank red wine what would happen if you mix red wine with some bourbon would that be
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good um I've had cocktails that have like a splash of wine in them but
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there's not like a mixing them together in fact someone would have done that if it was if it was good I did I was thinking about
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yesterday because of I don't know why as a sushi restaurant someone's doing sake bombs
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and that reminded me of you we've never done a sake bomb but I was like I don't know I just was thinking maybe because of the the um the one thing with the
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Guinness and the sambuca on top that is a weird synchronicity because I was
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looking at a place called Texas sake bar to go to this weekend because it looks kind of fun and kind of cool nice fine
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you suck you I'll do saki yeah great yeah that's right in the fridge perfect wow you're perfect
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yeah well at the restaurant we have like your second bottle I think little bottles of sake is half off and then I
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just like take it home okay yeah that's fun so yeah I'll do sake for my drink which has nothing to do with
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location or the events I'm gonna be discussing but that was my drink love it so for my drink we're
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you ever had Hopsin oh yeah I don't know why I bothered asking not because it was a drink that was drunk during this time
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because my story is in the late 1700s and absence actually came to France around 1840. so they didn't drink
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absolute in the story but we're drinking it because it's green you have absinthe yes okay fun it's like
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a ritual it's like a fun thing to make like yeah I like licoricey things too so yeah so but actually I think it tastes
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terrible but I think it's fun to have because you like have the cube the sugar right and like yeah it's just it's just
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fun it's like a fun little ritual yeah I've been drinking Moscow which is like tastes terrible but also I like it
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that's weird yeah I just had a mess how Margarita was like that's how it's fun you don't you don't need to read message
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it makes it worse yeah so totally um anyway we're drinking green absinthe
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because we're talking about the mother of the monster and her free loving poet of a husband Mary and Percy Shelley yes
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nice yeah so I my main source was a book
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the book Mary Shelley by Miranda Seymour um it took me like a month to listen to it but I listened to the whole thing and
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it was very good and then you know Wikipedia and chat gbt and all of that but I want to lay out our red flags I
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don't think you're going to miss them but here's what they are they eloped when she was 16 but he was
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already married and his wife was pregnant and he also he also wanted her to sleep
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with all of his friends and he wanted to sleep with her friends and he definitely slept with her sister
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so um wow that's that's an accomplished man yeah yeah I know not not not great so
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yeah so those are the Red Flags we'll we'll get into them as we go um so so much of this
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story is taken from Mary's letters and journals and Percy's letters and Claire
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her sister's letters so you have to kind of take their writing and know that it's edited so you could like literally burn
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things and no one would ever see it again you know it's like a real disposable time so it's really like what
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they wanted us to know and also I think I said this before but imagine if someone wrote your life story off of
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your journals and emails you could isolate times in your life and make a great [ __ ] story so I want to so I
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was thinking like for example my senior year of high school was wild I had a punk rock boyfriend who was a drummer
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then I had some like friends that like you're like potentially like hooked up it was weird then I went on a date with
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a dude in a boy band and we didn't hit it off so it introduced me to another blue band member and we dated for a while then I went to Germany and met a
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guitar player who was who I very recently found a picture of him and looked up on Instagram and within five
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minutes sending him a message he sent me back a picture of us from then which was super cute and then also B over a b in
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Germany I was camping with my friends woods and like this dude was just like in the woods and his name was Dennis and
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he was like I have the same dreams as you and it was like I don't know I was an idiot but it was like but we were like super excited and I was like this
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is crazy and then I and then I went home and my boyfriend boyfriend was still there and then also then I went to college I'm
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just like Jesus Christ you can make any of that into an hour and a half long movie and I think it'd be really good yeah you liked a lot of boy band people
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huh yeah was your thing I mean when is it not anyone's thing yeah I I I
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did buy a guitar at one point and I learned how to play Oasis on your wall
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for like three minutes and and I was like this is the way you get girls and it didn't work
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I've already warned Florence I'm like Florence the first boy that picks up a guitar and sings Brown Eyed Girl to you
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you're in trouble yep there you go yeah so anyway there's fun so this is just
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like X from her life but I feel like it tells the whole story but also just like
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you could tell a full story out of like any time in your life you can write a full story about our time at Nation Builder you know oh yeah and like end it
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it ended a death you know like [ __ ] cool you could have made that go straight anyway
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so I also oh recently threw away all my journals from high school because they were like just really stupid but also
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like could they have been a Gothic romance and then I wrote they weren't because it was the 90s so it was not kind of romance so anyway
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Mary Wollstonecraft Godwin Shelley was born on August 30th 1797 in London her
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mother Mary Wollstonecraft died 11 days after she was born and you know how she
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died this is so gross sepsis yeah I mean I don't know exactly
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what episode says but should I have an infection that she got because the doctor's hands were dirty it's so gross so gross this is so
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horrifying and gross and awful so um so Mary never met her mother her mother was actually a famous writer on
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her own so her mother Mary Mary Wollstonecraft was considered one of the founding voices of modern feminism she
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wrote about women's education marriage and Status she wanted more of like a free love situation so do whatever you
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want which was a lot for the 1700s she also was you know she had a baby out of
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out of wedlock she's kind of like you know just doing whatever she wanted to do and also just to put in like time
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frames this is a late 1700s so we're in like Captain the great time Mutiny and the Bounty time Oscar Wilde kind of ends
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up in the story much later he's the neighbor of Mary's and Percy's son so she's like where we are in history so
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some of the notable works of Mary's mother Mary um sure a Vindication of the rights of
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women which said that women should have the same rights as men which were still fighting that fight and that was in 1792.
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is your version of feminism considered not okay anymore
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what's my version of feminism you know when you told me how like you like to wear makeup and pretty dresses and these
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other women were like you're not a good feminist because you should like shave your head and wear flannel or something I forgot what it was but it was like I
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like it they're being real [ __ ] um my version of feminism is do whatever the [ __ ] you want
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and be able to have opportunity but is that considered okay still I don't know
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okay it's so hard to keep up with one of those three now I know I have no idea um yeah no good question I'm not sure
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but Mary Wilson craft continued to influence future generations of feminists and this is what Mary Shelley
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was kind of like living up to so you don't know your mother but you have these books that she wrote that were published yeah for journals you have her
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letters so like who do you think your mother was and how do you live up to that so that's a big part of Mary Shelley's story
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um her father was William Godwin he was a little bit of a bumble butt so he was
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a philosopher a novelist a political theorist he wrote books about political
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Justice he owned a bookstore in London and he was literally always in debt like
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he never made enough money to keep his family um secure he was always like chasing the next pound or whatever like he just was
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never never secured he was an eccentric who like really was like into these like kind of like liberal political ideas
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Aaron Burr you know Aaron Burr is yeah yeah he shot um Hamilton yeah Hamilton
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so after all that happened he kind of like escaped Europe but he stayed with with them for a while so yeah which is
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weird so he like there's like some famous people that kind of come in and out in her life in a weird way I didn't write this down but later like much
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later like one of her girlfriends like hooks up with Lafayette when he's old so like I've talked about him before so
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like that you know that happens so William Godwin her Mary Shelley's father
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married a woman named Mary Jane Claremont later after his wife died so the household was William and Mary Jane
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the parents Fannie Imlay was Mary Wilson Craft's illegitimate daughter with an American businessman that she met before
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Godwin so Mary had this older half-sister who her father was out in the picture and her mom was dead so
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Fanny but they adopted fading to the family then there's Mary and then Mary Jane brought in two children from her
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first marriage Claire and Charles and then they had baby William so it's kind of like The Brady Bunch right Mary and
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Claire are very very close in age and they have a really insane relationship that we'll get to so that's that's her her uh stepsister
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so not for Percy Percy Bish Shelley was born on August 4th 1792 which makes him
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five years older than Mary um his father sir Timothy Shelley was a member of gentry and he was a squire he
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had some Shelley Family Estate so they were like pretty well off the Shelley's he was known for his conservative and
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Traditional Values and so I wrote AKA he was unamused by his son's Shenanigans so
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yeah what is conservative back then it must be like insane yeah
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yeah so Percy's Mother Elizabeth pelfochelli was also very fancy so
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Percy's like a bit of a Dandy their lifestyle is like kind of confusing and
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like kind of bizarre so they're in a constant state like Percy and Mary and Mary's family
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are in a constant state of we're poor like we don't have any money but they're moving from like first house to
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furnished house you know they're like living in like these like big houses in in Italy and in Florence and in Paris
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and in London so they keep like moving around but they're never like homeless and they also
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always have servants so like she never cooked or cleaned so it's like we're super poor but could you imagine not
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having servants you know like okay I mean it kind of reminded me when I was in Ireland and you have all these
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castles that are still owned by the same families that were like bequeath them from like Generations ago but like yeah
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you have a castle but you can't afford it so you have to open it up to the public and have them pay an admission fee to like be able to leave the lights
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on and turn the heat on so like maybe it was one of those like house before things yeah totally so well they didn't
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like own houses like rented houses around anyway Percy is even in he comes into
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the story because he wants to be a writer and so he goes to William Godwin's bookstore and says I will be
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your benefactor if you teach me like some of your skills I will give you
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money and spoiler alert He never [ __ ] does so like for the rest of his life and the rest of William Godwin's life
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he's like give me money especially after you stole my children and persony's like no he never does
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Percy is married to a woman named Harriet Westbrook that got married in 1811. they eloped when Harriet was only
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16 years old pattern and they had two children together she was pregnant with the second children child when he left
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her for Mary so he's always like never Percy's never been like a faithful dude his Wikipedia says he was in an intense
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platonic relationship with someone else which is hilarious and you know so he's like but he's like he thinks of himself
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as like a romantic guy you know like he's super into like he's into Mary Wilson crafts like free love stuff he's
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like you know let's all just like be happy and whatever so another question I have for you is
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are you are you a poetry person I'm laughing I wrote I feel like no but
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like I don't know maybe you have a secret like like for poetry it's it's almost like we've never met I
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know well I thought I would just see make sure okay I'm gonna read you a little bit of Percy's poems cool so you
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can get an idea of what this dude is like this is an excerpt from Ode to the West
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Wind oh Wild West Wind thou breaths of Autumn's being thou from whose unseen
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presence the leaves dead are driven like ghosts from image from an enchanter fleeing yellow and black and pale and
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hectic red pestilence-stricken multitudes oh thou who charioticed to the dark dark wintery bed the winged
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seeds where they lie cold and low each like a corpse within its grave until thine as your sister of spring shall
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blow that's you know flowery
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yeah I guess I would describe it that way how else would you describe how
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it just it's like it sounds luxurious like somebody who has never had to like worry very much
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about anything in life exactly right that's exactly right yeah like the internet was like
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you know emotional intensity vivid imagery blah blah whatever it's not the
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Coal Miner's Daughter you know like it is like it it hits a note but not like one that I love yes so Mary so now it's
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like 18 10 18 12 ish Percy is in the Godwin's shop they met in 1814 when he
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came over there so she probably didn't know that he had a a pregnant wife but even if she did know I from this from
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the poem and from this I know exactly what kind of guy Percy was I'm sure he was like oh my wife is the worst and
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you're so pretty and blah blah blah writing her poems blah blah so yeah in
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1814 they run away to France they take Claire with them which will always be a problem Clara is the worst I'm team Mary
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100. so Claire's her stepsister yeah so so they're doing like weird Rich poor I
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read a while ago I read a book where like there was in this time you would like bring a letter of introduction to a
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place so I bring a letter that be like oh well not me because I'm a woman I couldn't get a lot of credit but a man would like bring a letter and be you
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know fars is you know vouchers for me here's a letter from fars and then someone would like credit me money when
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I when I went to a different place so you have to like kind of like yeah but like very manual so
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that's what they're doing they go to France Mary's already pregnant so she's 16 she's already pregnant Percy's still
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married to Harriet who's also pregnant just to say this now Mary gets pregnant five times and four
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of the babies die young which is awful they have one son live to be about like four or five but then he died and their
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fifth child a son is the only one who lived to adulthood so they only had one uh child
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survive all the way which is terrible she doesn't sound like a great mom if all your kids are dying and there's no
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congenital defect that's not her fault all her kids are dying it's the 1700s
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her mom died of because the dirty doctor hands yeah I guess that's true no like
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75 is like a lot it's a lot of kids to die yes it's awful it's it's higher than
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than average if 75 of the dogs I owned died like with like in three years like
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you gotta stop giving me dogs well yes that's that's definitely fair but it's also just like I think it's of the time
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but I think it's high but she was like I don't know this is there's a lot of disease I don't know you're defending
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it's fine it's not her fault she didn't kill her babies yeah it's a terrible thing to happen I'm not turning into it she didn't kill her
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babies it's terrible um so Percy wants to have a commune literally and like he has her flirt with
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one of his friends and he's like you should hook up with that guy you know he wants to have like a lot of lovers and all live together they live in Italy for
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a while they climb up Vesuvius which is hilarious because I've also climbed up Vesuvius so it's stupid it's just like a trail around and there's like nothing
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and it's boring there's some William like he speaks Italian before anything else already Percy and Claire are 100
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sleeping with each other but like maybe already doing it but um as soon as you
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know Mary starts like getting pregnant and he's definitely sleeping with Claire too and Mary does not like Claire she
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hates her she does not want her around she's like how can we get rid of her I'm just tired of her following us and Percy's always like oh no let her stay
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so in 1816 they traveled to Geneva to meet with Lord Byron who's another poet
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have you watched the show Ghosts no but the Lord Parton is a pretty big name
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yeah yeah no absolutely absolutely yeah it's there's a British version an
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American version but I've watched the British one but there's like a poet he's always like oh Byron but he's like he's exactly this kind of guy like the ghost
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is like exactly this kind of poet you know but let me read you a little bit of a Lord Byron poem okay
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this one's called she Walks in Beauty She Walks in Beauty like the night of
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cloudless climbs and Starry skies and all that's best of dark and bright meet in her aspect and her eyes thus mellowed
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to that tender light which heaven to godi day denies one shade the more one Ray the less had half impaired the
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nameless Grace which waves in every Raven tress or softly lightens over her face where thoughts serenely sweet
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Express how pure how dear their Dwelling Place another Stone factual women but like man
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they really don't want them to have rights like it's weird they just want to like have women around
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but they don't like why would you bother yeah no you're right that was very pretty
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it's very pretty so it's much longer that was a that was that was an excerpt of an excerpt but um very pretty very
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romantic so this is the big trip this is the life-changing trip where they go to Geneva one thing that happens is that
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Claire and Lord Byron hook up and she gets pregnant so now Claire is pregnant from from Laura Byron I imagine it was a
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ploy by Percy to get them all to live together because he wanted to live with or Byron 2. you're like sure like that's
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super romantic they just like kind of like live in Geneva and could hang out but they don't they end up like they never
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really together Lord Byron just got her pregnant their daughter Allegra was eventually taken by Byron
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and he ended up putting the Allegra in foster care even though Claire wanted her back and Claire was really poor as
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she was a nanny around Europe and Allegra died when she was four of malaria and that was like Lord Byron could have just given her to her mom and
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to have taken care of her that sucks but so the other thing that happens on this trip to Geneva is that Mary starts
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writing a story which is a super popular story so it's a historical fact that it
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was a gloomy ass summer like there was no sun it was like rainy and everybody you know they're all writers here
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including Claire he was like not very great but Frankenstein didn't come out of nowhere so there are many many
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versions of it she didn't just like read it in one day she like came up with the story on this trip but then she then she
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you know worked on it for a long time so it's called officially Frankenstein or
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the modern Prometheus and you know how that joke is like Frankenstein is like the monster or
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whatever I got it wrong but you know what I mean is the doctor yes so Frank sin is the doctor so
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so the title is Frankenstein's and modern Prometheus so Frankenstein the doctor is the modern Prometheus in which
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he's giving Society a technology that Society does not know how to handle and
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that's like what we saw with the curious too because Prometheus he stole fire from the gods
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and brought it to humans because being like this can help you but didn't see the uh the um unintended consequences of
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doing it so giving humans fire gave them a choice to use it for good or evil so
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that's what she was had in her mind like Dr Frankenstein giving um the world this ability to like
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reanimate and do use it for good adhesive for evil is that the actual title yes
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wow that's weird I never knew that I know cool yeah so it's a wild time to be
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alive like I've said so there's a couple things happening also in the world like there's a thing called galvanism which
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is using electricity to stimulate muscle contractions so people were like electrocuting dead frogs and like showing them jump yeah
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fun yeah so that was like a thing in the world there's also a lot of like just
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like things happening in science and philosophy that are new there's also the beginning of the Industrial Revolution
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so this is where we like you know really seeing like machines like becoming so she knows that's happening uh and also
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it's a really sad story so there's also some experiences of loss and grief and in Frankenstein as well so Frankenstein
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is published anonymously in 1818 she's only 20 years old when she when she
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published that's crazy yeah so 200 year spoiler alert let me tell you
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what fricassine's about because it's not like the movies and also incidentally she never got any money from any of the
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plays or acting out of that people did from the book which is lame well yeah so
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patent laws don't protect but that's all the yeah no no even in her time it wasn't it
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wasn't a thing um so it starts with a story of a man
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writing letters from the Arctic so he's a man is in the Arctic and he is I'm
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writing letters to his wife he's on an expedition and he sees in the distance a sled with someone like a huge person on
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it like going really fast and then he sees another sled or whatever coming after it with an old man who
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um is Dr Frankenstein who is Victor Frankenstein and he's like I'm trying to find this creation and and chase after
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this this monster that I made so he tells the story to the man on the boat so when we go back and he's telling his
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story Victor Frankenstein is in college he starts to think about bringing something back to life and he does he's
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like right away so he finds like the dead body brings it back to life and he's horrified by it
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because it's like big and ugly and not what he expected and he lay down and
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find the dead body right he found bodies any piece Frankenstein together
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I think so I'm not 100 sure okay but but it does get but it gets alive really
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fast then it escapes then it kills Victor Frankenstein's little brother and then
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the monster like spent some time outside of like a family home he like listens to the family talking he's like outside
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their windows and he's like I think I could be a part of his family like he's really really lonely and then when he meets them
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in like hit me like he like says hello to them they're super scared like scream and run away and he burns their house
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down because he's like no one will ever love me I'm so ugly um and then he asks he goes back to Dr
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Frankenstein and says I need a I need a partner I need someone who's just like me that I can live my life with because
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I'm lonely and he says Dr Frankenstein says okay I will make you like a girlfriend essentially but he doesn't
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instead he destroys all of his all of his papers and the monster sees him
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doing that and goes back and murders Victor's wife on their wedding night and then he escapes so that's where he's
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like going out into the Arts I just like be alone Victor's running after him um eventually Victor dies on the boat and
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the monster comes back and takes his body and Mourns over him so he didn't kill that little girl like
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all that all the movie stuff of like he finds a little girl and he like you're the front monster finds a little girl
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and kills her by hugging her too much or whatever like wanting her to be with him like that none of that what happened wow no none of the it's
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alive I don't think is there an Igor in it I don't know yeah there is yeah his
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help or the Hunchback no no I'm saying in the book there's so many versions of the story is what I'm saying like she
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wrote several versions of it and then like the world took it because it's a great [ __ ] story and wrote a million versions of it I just watched Young
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Frankenstein again with my sister it's so good so good I mean Robert De Niro played
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Frankenstein's monster at one point like it's been done to death at this point exactly so but the point is once you
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invent something you can't go back so that's that that's like the the lesson of the of the story
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now there's a little bit more money around they're trying to find patrons they're writing poetry there's some
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babies around um Laura Byron left he never intended to say Mary's dad still wants money from
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Shelley he's never going to give it to him and then after
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a couple of random weird things happen like after one of her babies dies Percy tries to get another baby in Italy for
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them which like isn't weird like during this time like there are just like tons of Italian orphans you could like buy it was like a totally normal thing there
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that's cool and uh but they think that it was actually Percy's kid from like an
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affair yes and so but they did ended up not keeping that baby and then also some other tragedies happen Mary wait what do
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you mean you just gave it back yeah they just gave it to like the baby box I don't know it's like a very free baby
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time so easy guys yeah and then some other tragic things happen Mary's older sister
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Fanny dies by Suicide but their their mother Mary Wilson craft definitely had
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like severe depression and both girls have it so Mary is super depressed and so was her sister her sister's a little bit like I'm out of this Loop I'm not
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really a part of this family I don't really have anyone so she goes and she dies by Suicide and they can't get her
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body back because suicide is a crime so if they like say that they know her they'll have to like pay a fine so they
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have to leave her body where she was found wow which is terrible it doesn't make any sense and then Percy's wife
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Harriet also dies by Suicide which is terrible because like she Percy tried to like frame her as like
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a terrible wife and all these things but like she's just fine he just didn't want to be married you know so she does my
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Suicide too which is awful so now they're trying to they're going around Europe Mary's still trying to get rid of
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Claire eventually she gets her in any job and gets rid of her Claire's trying to get her daughter back but she doesn't get it back so in this time you know
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Rich poor I can imagine Shelly being like we don't have any money I have to write poems you know just like being the worst you know seeing him him like that
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on July 1st 1822 a few weeks after Mary had
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another miscarriage so I think that they have their son Percy and then she has like her final miscarriage and Percy
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got in a boat that was his boat and he meant to me meet with Lord Byron and some other people to talk about a new
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publication called the liberal so they want to make like a pamphlet or whatever and on the way back
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the boat was overmasked that means it had like the wrong what are they called sales the wrong sales and the crew was
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inexperienced and everyone drowned so Percy died when he was 29. so he uh him
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and Mary were only together for like eight years there was a delay in knowing if they were dead because of like the time period they were like well did he
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get to his destination and like no one knew and they had to like find someone like travel around and finally figured out that they hadn't made it 10 days
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later their bodies washed up on shore and he was cremated on the beach Mary
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and another like a person who's like a friend of theirs took Percy Shelley's heart out of his body and put it in a
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jar with like liquor to keep it and then Mary eventually got it and like burned it so she had ashes of his heart and she
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kept him with her until her death she always had his heart with her kind of romantic but mostly grotesque
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mostly gross mostly gross so now Mary is a widow and she's still
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doing the same thing she's traveling around but she's a great friend there's a ton of stories of her like giving people money and like supporting Young
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Artists and all of these other things that she doesn't you know she never accumulates her own wealth because she's
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always like kind of giving it away she's writing up more books she writes poetry shorts and biographies of like different
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uh people to just to sell those one thing that she does that I think is fun
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is she's friends with a trans man who
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known who was named Isabel Robinson and the story goes she had a friend who was
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like I have to leave England because I have I'm pregnant out of wedlock how do I get out of here and how do I like keep
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my uh like reputation I mean she had another friend who's like I wanna I am a
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man I wanna dress like a man like I want to be a man so Barry got them fake papers and had them get married so that
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they were able to escape and they lived together as man and wife for like a very long time
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Mary was like super supportive of that she was like whatever that's fine I think unfortunately the the trans man
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friend ended up dying in a poor house and like bad things happened later but so it's a cool story yeah so so she's
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doing that she's writing some books she wrote more books that I've never read and I really would like to
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she wrote a novel called valperga one called The Last Man her last one was
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called Faulkner she also spent a lot of time editing Percy's papers and trying to figure out who's gonna write a
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biography about him so she was this it was like a kind of a Perpetual fight between like his family and her family
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like who was going to actually be the one to like kind of capitalize off of his life and his poems she did she
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published like an edited version of his poem when people hated it like they which is weird because like how do you
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edit poems differently whatever so she was doing a little bit of that his dad so Percy Shelley's dad he gave her an
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allowance but he never met her he was like giving her money to as his son's Widow but they never met and when he
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finally died he left her and her son a house but the house was like in shambles
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they took all the furniture and there were like people living on the land who had to pay rent like the um crops were
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bad it was just like not a good situation like it sounded like it could be cool but it was not cool yeah and yeah and then she is also editing a lot
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of his stuff to be a little bit less truthful because England is getting more Victorian during this time like more
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conservative more like what we know as like classic Victorian so she's not so she says like we were married when we
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ran away like it definitely weren't you know and she like leaves out the stuff that he wanted her to sleep with all his
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friends so she kind of edited it a little bit depending on the time so their son Percy it's kind of a dud
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unfortunately he she tries to get him to like run for office but no one like votes for him he like fiddles around
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school he's like not that smart eventually he doesn't get married to a woman named Jane and Jane and Mary
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become really good friends so Jane her daughter-in-law is one of the people who you know really helps Mary organize her
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papers and like start to put stuff together for her own story and later Jane is like one of the people who's in charge of her of her biography and she
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definitely like idolizes Mary and talks about her in like a really like romantic way like she's the best and eventually
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uh Percy and Jane they run like a playhouse they write plays Percy like
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does like the costume design and paints the backdrops and writes the plays and people like it it's like very amusing so
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he does fine they live a couple they um built a house and they call their house like Shelley house house of Shelley and
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then Oscar Wilde named his house house of something else to make fun of them like down the street so that's okay that
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comes back Mary's father passes away in 1844 so she's like feeling super lonely and awful she's really sad she kind of
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reconciled with her dad and she's super sad when he's gone then she starts to have in her 40s so they're like she was
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40 and like still walking around you're like oh my gosh she was 40. she's in like 100 but you know whatever of the
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time she started to get these weird headaches you just started to kind of get like not feel good you had to rest a
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lot she spent some time traveling with like the Sea Air and do things like that and it ended up that she died in 1851 at
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the age of 53 and at when they did her autopsy she definitely had brain cancer so she had like a large tumor in her
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brain that she had been living with for like a really long time um and that was the thing that ended up ended up killing her and then after that
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you know it's a kind of a mess of people trying to capitalize off of them trying to sell their stories it's kind of
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Frankenstein having really a life of its own you know becoming like one of the most famous stories um ever but in you
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know really she was a very so smart so talented and so lonely woman who was
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really kind of like abandoned by her mom abandoned by her husband trying to just like live her creative life that's it
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can you imagine being 20 and running the most influential thing in the history of the world no I'm like 38 and I barely
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influenced like a single person much less the rest of the world I know I know there's a lot to live up to it kind of
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sounds like a fun group though they sound like like a San Francisco like Tech bro community of like they
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just freewheeling doing whatever they want I mean I love the idea of like oh let's
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move into this like potentially really dusty like really big house in Europe together and then like take all of the
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sheets off all the furniture and you just like rape poems there for a couple months and then you move somewhere else you know and like you're like oh we're
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so poor also servants make me dinner I love it I feel like that would that's good for you but not so good for me if
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somebody's like forced you have to sit in a room and write poetry I've like [ __ ] tell me I'm not I'm not gonna write poetry but I would like to sit in
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a room and read for like a month you know do you remember me when you told me that like your biggest hope for flow is
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that she doesn't become like a poet yes oh yeah no it would be terrible to
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have a child it was a poet because you'd have to listen to all of their bad poems and their good ones
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so we're on the same page yeah no that'd be terrible like imagine oh my God like
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if like miles was like hold on if I did like hey Mom and on that cheek and over that brow So Soft so
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calm yet eloquent the smiles that win the tints that glow the tale of day isn't goodness spent a mind at peace all
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below a heart whose love is innocent I'd be like great job that rhymes
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here learn how to learn how to code JavaScript um yeah I mean not really yeah so that's
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it it's he I think Percy really just like had these women following him around you
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know and yeah it's hard when you like are a poet when you walk up to every woman and you're like I need to paint
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you one word so it's just like you know what I mean like like how easy is that like that's so easy right now 100 I
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think it sounds like [ __ ] I could do it Yeah a hundred percent no one would ever tell you that your poems were bad they
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would just be like first write a poem about me he's so mysterious he's like this this dark mysterious guy like it
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must be a cultural thing it's like no he's he just like knows how to manipulate you that's exactly right it's very very
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manipulative okay wait hold on write a poem a short poem about a mysterious
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man named Tavares oh yeah oh okay I'm ready yeah it's too long
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okay okay this is way too long this is way too long of chat GPT okay I'm gonna read a little bit of it and Shadow the Deep
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where Secrets lie they're walks of man fars by and by mysterious he with eyes so Keen a veil of enigma his silent
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scene in Moonlight nights he Treads the streets his presence felt where Darkness meets Whispers follow his elusive trace
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a figure cloaked and Mystic Grace with every step he stirs Intrigue his words like riddles make Minds fatigue and
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cryptic language tales unfold the tapestry woven of stories Untold who as far as his Enigmatic Soul a Wanderer a
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sage beyond control his wisdom deep his past and known a man of secrets yet to be known he dances with shadows through
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Twilight's Haze a master of Secrets and mysterious ways with every glance a glimpse of his heart a puzzle unsolved a
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puzzle to start and whispered rumors his Legend grows and enigma wrapped in Mysteries throws Farr is the man of the
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veiled unknown Intrigue follows wherever he's thrown so let us Wonder let us stream in far as world where Mysteries
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gleam for in his presence we find Delight in The Riddles he we use in the depths of
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it totally encapsulates me as a person I am mysterious and my riddles I do
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produce riddles of the mind oh my gosh so funny well now it's easy to write poetry I know I know
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moving on to the True Crime style equation I gotta add one for us today oh
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a bad one well a bad story yeah okay so Taylor
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we are a little bit desensitized me and you and a lot of the listeners who
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actually listen to true friend because we know what Ted bunny did we know what Jeffrey Dahmer did we know what Andrea
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chicatillo did yeah and you look at that stuff you're like can anything possibly surprise you about
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what humans are capable of doing to each other and usually the answer is no but I
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can actually think of two crimes that came to mind for me whenever I think of like man so we can level up beyond that
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one of them I've already covered one of them was actually Lawrence benicker and Roy Norris and what they did to that
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poor girl in that van thank you yeah yeah yes uh no toolbox toy box is the
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different guy both are awful both raffle but like this story that I'm gonna
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describe has a lot in common with that first stop it involved it's not a romantic relationship that got two
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people together it was like a criminal relationship that got these two people together and put each other in each
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other's orbit and then is that it kind of stuck out my mind about how cruel it is I want to say this I went back as I
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was researching this and was like why did this stick in my mind as being so bad because now in hindsight
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I've definitely covered worse crimes I think the part of it that makes it so bad is that the things that happen to
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these people in and of themselves are awful like I won't mention the raffle but they're not
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like crazy crazy like I I definitely heard of War things that happened I think what it is is the randomness of it
40:44
and the type of victims that they were so the type of things they were were like very upper
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class income successful white people they were the perfect like little
40:56
nuclear family and the randomness of what happened to them is just like how on Earth
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it's scary because it feels like oh that this could literally just happen to anyone at any time like I was actually
41:09
doing the math on this it was like we're probably gonna get into an argument over this because I can understand reading a story like
41:15
this why people are so unhappy in this country because it's like yeah wait somebody can come into your house and do
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that to you and yes the outcome is that like also people can go into schools and shoot kid like I I get the juxtaposition
41:27
there but almost like if this ever was a thing that I thought was possible in my life I would
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definitely go get like a gun and want to kill somebody that came in my house and did this so anyways that's it for me
41:37
yeah you know I'm thinking I'm thinking what you're gonna say and it's awful and
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also yeah you're afraid of the random the randomness yeah the randomness of it is
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like what is so freaky like I mean that's part of it that I think just because again like what ends up
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happening to them like wasn't like the most violent thing I've ever read it's more like just like damn like really
41:59
like that that's just like that could be your life it reminded me it's basically like the um the the strangers right it's
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like it's a Randomness like that's that's the story but so we're gonna get
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into our two main antagonists first first off we have a guy named Joshua Andrew
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okay I was I was just writing this was like man I should have had Taylor do this because she is so much better at
42:24
pronouncing these crazy names than I am so far so far more so confined but this has so many more syllables on
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my name like my name looks hard because people are lazy but if you actually look at it it's not that hard
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call me whatever uh I'm gonna call him Josh going for it so Josh was actually
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he was born to a 16 year old mother and some mechanic that was barely old enough to like get someone pregnant basically
42:49
and he was immediately sent off for adoption normally I would say that this guy was dealt like a pretty bad hand given that he was born into these
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circumstances but he was like adopted in two weeks old by what I'm gonna describe this mostly normal people They were
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religious lunatics who basically would put him in Bible camps and as far as I can tell I
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would classify them as like Evangelical um the one thing that did happen there
43:15
was obviously horrific was being molested by an uncle in the way the family dealt with that
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was you need more religion so that wasn't great like his mental health was not
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super well taken care of and the uncle didn't like go to jail or anything huh no of course not
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and I mean yeah yeah you'll see this play itself out later on like that that that molestation piece of it will
43:40
manifest itself later on it's interesting because he um his family the
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family that adopted him came from like these like crazy like this crazy background like his grandfather was
43:52
apparently one of the most influential theatrical directors ever and his grandma was a Lithuanian
43:59
princess yeah he has no bearing on any of this but like these people were very very waspy
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you know I saw a documentary about this this crime that we're going to discuss and they interviewed like his uncle and
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aunt and dude their house looked like one of the coolest houses you'll ever see it was like a glass house these were
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like very very waspy yeah yeah this all happens in Connecticut the home of the wasps so it just works there that is
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true we know that so around the time Josh was 12 or 14 this when the molestation piece kind of
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manifests itself he also had a sister who was also adopted by this family and that sister accused him of molesting her
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yeah which is like the cycle you see right like if somebody gets lesson they just keep kind of perfection in that cycle so and around this time Josh was
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also doing some other Petty crimes such as breaking into homes and burglarizing
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them which is like an insane thing to do when you're like 12 to 16 years old but he did it a lot
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my libertarian cousin who was like it was like what did he say he says oh
45:05
the one who said that like America is America is the least racist country now on Facebook and I was like oh my God
45:12
it was like super embarrassing but I wanted to say to him to say oh yeah because do you remember when you got
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arrested or breaking into houses when you were 15 years old did you were you afraid the cops were going to shoot you no because you're white you're white but
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I left that out because I'm pretty sure it's a felony so I um I was literally talking to
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someone about this after having gone to Europe I can attest in America has a much
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better perspective perspective on racism at least as it relates to me than English people do like English will
45:43
still do think that if you're not like as white people with brown people
45:48
too yeah yeah it was uh that was that was a unique experience it was like it was
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like it was like living in America like the 1990s like I was like wow this is crazy um wow but yeah good point so Josh ends
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up getting so Josh had actually committed about 18 burglaries at this point by the time he was accused and convicted of sexually molesting the
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sister he committed about 18 burglary he's like this is this thing you just like go out yeah but it was also like my
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take on it was like okay this kid like literally has nothing but like religious indoctrination like yeah it's gonna be fun to go breaking into people's houses
46:19
so yeah he gets nine years in prison it was interesting because
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he's this is like when he started like showing some sociopathic tendencies he told his lawyer that he would like to go
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into the bedrooms of the people but whose house he broke into and just go from bedroom to bedroom and just listen
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to them breathing not doing anything oh they were home he would be home oh my God
46:45
yeah there was something around how he like wanted if you just like knowing that he had
46:51
this like power over them that he was breaking into their intimate space that he was disturbing their privacy and all
46:57
that stuff Jesus Christ so and and that kind of leads to like this only when he kind of starts showing
47:03
that he's kind of [ __ ] up one thing that was interesting was that he was apparently super super smart too so he
47:08
handling a photographic memory so apparently when he was like coming clean by these burglaries he could remember
47:13
every detail he would tell you how much money he took from which house what denominations that money was where he
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found the money if he found them in pants he would tell you where the pants were what color they were what kind of things they were and you she was a crazy
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good artist like his like I saw pictures of his art and I was like dude this kid was like super talented and he didn't
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utilize it the way he should his poetry was going back to poetry his poetry was
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really really um uh dark but like
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like I wouldn't classify it as like something I want living in my head but like it's good to read
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it's it's not a bad read but so so anyways he had a lot of stuff going on there so five years after the
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conviction for the sexual assaultness burglary he is paroled and he's sent to a halfway house this is around seven yep
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there you go perfect timing right and this is when he would meet the other antagonist of our story a guy named
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Stephen Joseph Hayes who very recently as of like two three years ago came out as trans transgender and changed gender
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orientation and so from here on out I'll just Refer to Steven by his current name which is Linda Hayes
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going forward so Linda was quite a bit older than Josh and I think it amounted
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somewhere I was 17 years older than Josh's the events we're discussing here again they happen in them in mid 2007 so Josh
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would have been 27 and Linda would have been around 44 years old that being said usually the dynamic that
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we talk about is how the older one manipulates the other one that's really not the case here Linda seemed like a
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total [ __ ] burnout nothing loser like like she spent most of her life in jail
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for like stupid Petty clowns like breaking the window to a car to steal like a computer like stuff like this
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like Linda been arrested about 30 times by this point like it was just Petty stupid [ __ ] it wasn't like
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creepy I'm gonna stand at your the foot of your bed while you're breathing crimes like
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it feels like Josh was the one that was the most influential of the two of over there Dynamic with each other Linda
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would apparently try to OD and kill herself many times while she was younger I actually watched this documentary it's
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on HBO if you want to watch it it's called the Cheshire murders because it happened in Cheshire Connecticut I watched this documentary and they
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interviewed Linda's brother who I don't totally want to talk [ __ ] about because he seems like he has some kind of a degenerative disease the way he moves
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his mouth and talks he has like Ms or Lou Gehrig's I can't really tell what but after the crimes took place he like
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Linda's on trial and um the brother writes the judge and The Prostitute about how like
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they should put the brother or Linda to death because he he was such a terrible brother growing up and talks about how
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when the brother was five Linda put his hand on a hot plate and was like you should kill this like I mean there's a
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lot of like ludicrous assumptions being made there but in the long story short was that Linda's entire family kind of hated her so that's kind of where that
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start ended up it is interesting because Linda does have a kid that was interviewed on the um on the HBO special
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on the documentary and that kid had just gone back from Police Academy when all these crimes happen it's like the kid
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went in a totally different direction on Linda did which is kind of interesting wow could you imagine like how different
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yeah you're like I mean I need the olds too you know like being old and having your parents couldn't be like a criminal
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yeah yeah it's gonna be a little wild yeah so let's we're going to turn our attention to the victims this case so we
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have the nuclear family right we have 40 years 48 year old Jennifer Hawk Pettit who was a nurse in the director of a
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private boarding school and also the mother this family her dad was a pastor in town and again they just seemed like
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this like overall waspy happy-go-lucky family we have their her daughter 17
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year old Haley Pettit who was about to graduate high school and attend Dartmouth College she was an
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overachiever she was an honor roll she rode Varsity for crew she had started actually a non-profit for at our school
51:15
to fundraise for NS research because Jennifer the mom had Ms herself yeah
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sweet kid apparently had a lot going on for and then we have the younger sister she's 11 years old her name is Michaela
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Pettit lastly we have the Father William Pettit who was a doctor and endocrinologist in
51:32
town and you know the the patriarch here July 22nd of 2007 is when all this kind
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of goes down so on that day which was a Sunday Jennifer Michaela went grocery
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shopping to get some apparently killing me dinner for the family a lot it was really it
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was really sweet they went grocery shopping and Josh saw them and started kind of following them and observing
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their routine Josh and Linda had become friends at this point and this is where it's a
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little bit of a conflict I don't totally know the truth they either became friends at the halfway house or they became friends by attending AAA meetings
52:08
together there's conflicting reports on that long story short is that they started texting
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and the text was something along the lines of hey I saw this family uh I think we can break into their house
52:20
because that's what I do I'm Josh we're gonna break into their house and we can go ahead and steal a bunch of stuff and it'll be it'll be great nobody's gonna
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get hurt that's what we're gonna do one thing to to mention here is that in the documentary that I watched they
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interviewed Josh's girlfriend at the time and they also want to be the girlfriend's dad and there was some
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insinuation that Josh had had a fellow Tendencies he obviously had some enough
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to sexually molest the daughter or the the the his sister but the intuition
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what's being intuited here is that he told Linda we're going to rob this house but it's believed he actually was trying
52:55
to get to Michaela and that was kind of the in you know the main idea here how
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old is she 11. uh Linda doesn't know any of this Linda's assessment is like
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where'd you go rob this place because Linda's a burnt out loser he's gonna follow a 27 year old when you're 44 who
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does that so the two arrived in the early hours of July 23rd so they saw the mother and
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daughter on Sunday July 22nd they put this plan in action they arrived in the early morning hours Josh enters the
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house through the unlocked door in the basement William the dad he's asleep in
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the sun room so away from the rest of the family he's downstairs in the sun room Josh had found a bat in the base
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basement and bludgeoned the [ __ ] out of William knocking him unconscious
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they would then zip tie Williams arms and legs and then they would make their way up to the families rooms where they
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would just like grab them put their hands over their face and say don't scream they're zip tied that all the individual people upstairs then put
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pillowcases on their head again the plan is we're robbing this house so they ransacked the house
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looking for things to steal and they find some cash and realize that there's got to be more money somewhere so Linda
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starts freaking out at this point because again like this is going this has gone too far for
54:16
Linda already she's there to rob a house we don't know for sure but it was assumed that Josh
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told Linda to go to the gas station and fill up some gas canisters so we see him
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doing this he takes a family car he goes to the gas station and fills up some gas canisters it's during this time Josh
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stays at the house and he uses this as his opportunity to basically write Michaela and then it's all documented
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it's like he took pictures of this on his cell phone Apparently after trial the state ended
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up offering free counseling to the jurors for having a look at these pictures like it was one of those things this is one where I'm really glad that
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we're not a video medium yet because my face is like just a gross yeah this
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whole time yeah it's not and this is also like Just In Cold Blood that we talked about
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yeah somebody when I was listening to the documentary
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somebody said this is the most gruesome thing that's happened since cold in Cold
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Blood yeah it was actually referred in the document it's like such a similar [ __ ] story oh yeah yeah
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this is where things get a little bit dicey and gets a little a little bit more true primary so Josh takes Jennifer
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in the morning to the bank and tells you to withdraw a bunch of cash he does not go in the bank with her he stays in the
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car [ __ ] stupid idea crazy okay go ahead continue
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it's crazy because what ends up happening it's just like it's like why didn't she say anything kill your family what happened yeah so
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she did she tell there's video of this like there's oh my God from the Bank of America and she looks she looks like a
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haunted woman when she's in front of this tell her and she's telling to tell her hey we're being held hostage
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do something about this she writes this down on a note she gives her the bank manager the bank manager immediately calls the police you can hear the audio
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recording of all this if you listen to the documentary the police showed the bank and then basically just don't reveal themselves Jennifer apparently
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told the bank teller that hey these guys are not aggressive she hadn't seen that they bashed they bludgeoned she didn't even know she
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didn't know because they dragged him into the basement so to her she was like look they're just trying to ransack the house and steal money like they're not
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trying to hurt us so like you know they're not aggressive they're just after money Josh Josh takes her back to
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the house and at this point police had basically just shown up at the bank and that's the story that they were at the
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bank kind of surveilling things okay so this is where it gets weird this
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is where like it's not totally clear so there was a foia request for the transcripts of what the police were
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doing by the media and it's all kind of like blacked out nobody knows for sure and
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the police aren't saying for sure if they were at the house or not during this time it's assumed that somebody
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some police were like at the house sort of but we don't know that for sure within the hooks were they for what they
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definitely said was that they showed up at the house when these two were getting away because they rammed into a deputy's
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patrol car and that's when they were arrested but there's this window of time from when they got back from the bank to when
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they escaped the house when all the horror took place and people
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generally anything like this could have been prevented because 100 think that yeah like there's no weapons involved
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right there was no guns there was no knives nothing all they did was they found this bat and police could have done something but they should have they
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should have gone there they should just been there yeah yeah so I was listening to a pressure where the mayor's like
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talking about what Heroes the police were and how proud of them they were and it's like one of those things where your job's like you're drawing what are you
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talking about what they were linked they were late yeah exactly it reminded me of the shooter in Vegas remember that when
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the cops were in the hallway and they wouldn't go in the room and they could have like apparently saved a bunch of
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lives there oh yeah like Vivaldi as well when like the cops didn't do [ __ ] look I don't blame them but like I I
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wouldn't go in that room either but it is that's not your job like exactly exactly it's not your job
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um that's so stupid so they get back to the house and Linda
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ends up raping Jennifer in the living room and then he strangles Linda or she
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she strangles Linda to death right Linda strangles Jennifer to death yes
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and apparently during this time again Williams in the basement he can hear what's going on above him and his wife
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screams and he's shouting them telling them to stop and Linda shouts back that it's going to stop soon enough like he
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was trying to be funny and like I'm gonna kill her kind of way that's how this is going to stop why isn't he out of the basement
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he's been zip tied he's had his head back tied to a pole but he was it's so
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sad too because when you look at pictures this guy after this all happened because so many people were like you could have saved your family
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you should have saved your family you should have done whatever you look at his you'd look at his head your dick cracked his head wide open like he was
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not in like a good position to like help anyone but I can imagine as a man and
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that's your family like the events afterwards had to be like nightmarish for you but man every basement has that
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like terrifying pull yeah right that you like run into on roller skates and or get zip tied too
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yeah yeah remind me of the um the uh uh BTS or what is it BTK murders too
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because that's what you did you zip tied them to the pipe in the basement yeah that's definitely Breaking Bad remember you're like yeah yeah so William somehow
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manages to free himself enough to escape out of the basement door that they act Josh and Linda actually let themselves
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in from and started making out to a neighbor this is the time when he said he could he swore he's some men like in
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the backyard like like cops yeah like the Assumption was that there were police there and nobody came out to help
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him but again part of me is like he also his head was wide open like he'd been bleeding out for this whole thing took
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seven hours he's been bleeding in the basement for seven hours out of this like this massive head wounds like could
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he have seen nothing I don't know right he's definitely like confused oh my God
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okay so around this time Josh starts dowsing Jennifer's Body and the two girls who were still alive and zip tied
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in their rooms in gasoline no not good they sparked the house and they tried to
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make an escape in the family vehicle and are immediately stopped by police say women to the police patrol car and the
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police hop out and again this is where like where there's this this difference between like the police say we showed up when they
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were leaving it was a coincidence that all this happened at the time that it happened but the foia requests showed
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that police actually did say that they saw fire consuming the house like somebody was there
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we don't know for how long or whatever so oh my God the girls ended up dying
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due to smoke inhalation before The Rescuers could get to them and their bodies were pretty burnt up and nobody knows if I was pre-report
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post-mortem that they got burnt which is that's the worst [ __ ] weight in your [ __ ] bedroom as a teenager
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yeah as an 11 year old one of them so Josh and Linda get uh set for trial and
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they end up having separate trials Linda was the first one to go and apparently Linda and Josh both were like we'll do a
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plea deal we'll do a plea deal we'll do life in jail and the prosecution is like no no we're taking our chances and we're
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going for death but there's like we're this is this is not one of those times when you get a plea deal the Linda's
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lawyers would argue that Joshua brings the operation that didn't convince anybody they did five hours of Liberation they found him guilty and
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they also sent himself to death obviously like this it was just like it was horrible I mean I've written listen to all these
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like uh these talk shows were like y'all should have literally just put two in the back of their head like immediately like these people did not even deserve a
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trial I don't know how I feel about this so in August of 2015 before Linda could
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be executed or Josh that matter the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty so Linda's now in jail forever
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without the possibility of parole I don't really know how I feel about it like you know the death penalty like it's not really that big of a deterrent
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and it does cost a lot more than keeping someone in jail for Life maybe being in jail for life is worse than the death
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penalty but there's a part of me that's like man the the Dad should decide what happens to them like it I know my friend
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Agnes from Illinois said uh it's gonna slashed me and said it sounds like fars is pretty Pro death penalty
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you know what's funny is I did death penalty Defense work and when I was in the hospital did you really yeah like I
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was really I was trying to get people off uh death row in Florida um but I don't know that was a long time
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ago and like part of me like I don't know how I feel about it it's interesting because in this case what ended up happening was this spark
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Connecticut's entire obsession with the death penalty because if you were a pro death penalty this is the case you point
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to and say Obviously we should kill these people yeah and what ended up happening was the state legislators
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passed a bill to abolish the death penalty it went up to the governor and the governor was like no I'm not going
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to assign this specifically because these two have to die like there was a it was just because of these two and so
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it went back to the legislator the state legislators and the state legislation passed another bill saying fine
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going forward anybody convention the death penalty or going forward nobody can be convicted of the downtown team
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previously anybody on death row can be killed by death penalty and it was just
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these two so they passed this bill just to ensure these two get killed the the gov the governor signed that into law
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obviously one of the Supreme Court of Connecticut and the Connecticut Supreme Court was like no you can't have if you
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if you apply it now it has to apply retro as well and they found unconstitutional and struck it down and
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said fine we'll won't have a death penalty at all as a result of that that ended up the these two ended up on life
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without paroled so I mean yeah that's I don't have they ever done that because I know like like all the Manson family
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like they should have been absolutely death penalty but they weren't because um of the the lot changed so is it
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always like retroactive yeah so I remember this in law school there was something about how if it's a criminal
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case you can't if you change the law that law has to retroactively apply to
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people that are being punished by that law like it was it mostly came up in the in in the cases of like drug offenses when California made drugs legal yeah um
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were marijuana legal but it also happened with um the Manson Murders right like they were all on death row
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and they're like nope nope we're just gonna abolish all together but then he came back when he came back
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they can't also then retroactively increase your punishment after the fact right so California then passed laws
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saying that death penalty is okay Scott Peterson's on death row but they couldn't put the people who were
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previously off death throw back on death row oh my God what a roller coaster I know I know so
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this it's interesting because this thing had so much so many policy applications the
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dad William would move on with his life he'd get married he'd have another kid later on in life he actually became uh
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he was tapped to run for the U.S house or the Senate I can't remember which by the RNC because he obviously Kiana was
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like as a talking that was a dog as a talking point he's like a really
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good candidate on the Republican side right because he's 100 pro death penalty he's at 100 pro Second Amendment so it's
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like it's a really good he'd be a good candidate he turned that down he ended up running for a state
1:05:49
senate when she won uh and his tremors up actually this year um and who knows what's gonna happen
1:05:54
after that but it's a horrible horrible case and I can't imagine being that guy and how you live with yourself like
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he looks I've got he has a a wife and a baby but yeah I don't know how you like move on from that what like what how
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would a gun have helped he I had in heavily was sleeping no it's not that it would have helped it
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said like it gives you this sense of like how can I stop them how can I is is there anything that
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could limit my ability to be victimized in this random situation and it's like I don't know like
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you know a gun would not have helped he was sleeping but like I don't know you write it one of those damn it now
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argument completely fall apart I mean like I imagine like I don't know one of the girls could have found the gun but like also you should have a gun around
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your kids I don't know it's terrible it's awful the the randomness of it is so scary the people be in your house the
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[ __ ] failure of the police to help her like dude is crazy that was crazy Bank when you could see her and she
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looks like just like a ghost woman and it's like just follow her home and then just tackle one
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of them like I don't her parents were so sad like the parents were the master Billy these sweet sweet
1:07:03
old people and they were like you could have they could have called their house phone and asked to talk to them you know
1:07:09
like they're really trying to throw suggestions anyways it was yeah it was feels bad but um a million things yeah
1:07:20
supportive is the randomization of it it's the fact that they were just such a normal family piece of it that plays
1:07:26
into it it's just like you don't expect stuff like that to happen to people like that I guess and uh and also there's
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part of it it's like it reminds me of Straw Dogs or nocturnal animals have you ever seen either of those movies
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it's largely around like being victimized and not being able to
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do anything to stop it and um natural animals is like really bad so straw dog
1:07:50
actually they're both really really bad yeah they're they're I mean they're scary but like I don't know it's not
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scary in a fun way it's not like The Conjuring scary it's in like you know sexual assault scary so yeah yeah I hate
1:08:03
that um but yeah that's my story today oh that's terrible I thought you could talk about a different one because there's another one another family that looks
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something similar happened to um who and and it was in these the one in DC in
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2015. the savopolis family s-a-v-o-p-o-u-l-o-s
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and they had two daughters who were out of town and one of them is on Instagram
1:08:27
and she's like it talks about her life and being like what do you do you know
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I mean what happened somebody broke into their house yeah and killed um the mom and the dad and the housekeeper and the
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little boy that's terrible um did you steal money um he was like I think he was someone
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I'm bringing Wikipedia really fast he like knew them in some way but it came back to he was when someone they had
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fired I guess okay so it's not like entirely randomized no but silicon in your house
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I'm kind of killing I'm gonna lock all my doors
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I don't know if a gun would have helped them God I'm so glad I have Luna that's true I feel so safe when she's here
1:09:09
yeah I think they should be Pro big dog yeah probably dog we're probably dog podcast yeah all right well that is our
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story Taylor I know you have to rush your recital what do you have 30 minutes to get there uh yeah it's in an hour so
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I have to dress up and get the boy to dress up and then we're gonna go and watch some kids play some instruments it
1:09:31
sounds fun no she well
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miles is piano and Florence just Girl Scouts but I heard a rumor that she would start playing the violin so
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you have rumors I don't know yeah I was telling my sister like when I
1:09:48
have to help miles with his piano I'm like I literally don't know anything I know nothing so it's like asking me to
1:09:53
help violence conjugate verbs in Chinese I'm like I don't know he's like what do I do here I'm like I literally don't know I don't know what the notes mean I
1:10:00
don't know what they're supposed to sound like I don't know what the keys are like I don't know anything like I cannot help you I can sit here and make
1:10:06
sure you sit here but there's literally nothing I can do you know more than me yeah you got to stop paying your piano t-shirt because that's when they're
1:10:12
coming to you for guidance that's not a good thing no no I'm saying me I cannot help him right right he's doing great
1:10:18
good yeah I did piano for a long time when I was a kid too yeah he's away no I can still do Deck
1:10:25
the Halls um because that's the first song You Learn
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it'll yeah you are a catch as far as it's like which like you don't need to know more than that
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no so oh wait wait wait sorry thank you to everyone for listening I'm sorry I'm
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