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hi everyone Taylor from Doom to fail we are a podcast that brings you history and True Crimes most epic disasters and
big failures and today we're re revisiting episode 23 part two on the
Cheshire murders these happened in Cheshire Connecticut in 2007 and two men broke into a home and
murdered most of the family in a horrific horrific home invasion so if you're scared of that thing um this is
maybe one to listen to and get a little more scared um also if you have read the
book in Cold Blood and want to talk about it let me know I'd love to talk about it it's honestly one of the scariest books I've ever read um hope
you enjoy if you have any questions or ideas we're at Doom toell pod gmail.com
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is 23 part two the chash matter of State of California versus orthal James
Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow Americans ask not what your country can
do for you ask what you can do for your [Music]
country moving on to the true Prime start of the equation I got a bad one for us today oh a bad one well a bad
story yeah [Music] okay so Taylor we are a little bit desensitized
me you and a lot of the listeners who actually listen to True Crime because we
know what Ted Bundy did we know what Jeffrey dmer did we know what Andre catillo did yeah and you look at that
stuff you're like can anything possibly surprise you about what humans are capable of doing to each other and
usually the answer is no but actually think of two crimes that came to mind
for me whenever I think of like man so we can level up beyond that one of them
I've already covered one of them was actually Lawrence Bier and Roy Norris and what they did to that poor girl in
that van that we covered Forever toy box yeah yes uh no toolbox toy box is the
different guy both are awful both are awful but like this story that I'm going
to describe has a in common with that first off and invol it's not a romantic relationship that got two people
together it was like a criminal relationship that got these two people together and put each other in each other's orbit and the other one is that
it kind of stuck out my mind about how cruel it is I'm going to say this I went back as I was researching this and was
like why did this stick in my mind as being so bad because now in
hindsight I've definitely covered worse crimes I think the part of it that makes
so bad is that the things that happened to these people in of themselves are
awful like I will admit they're awful but they're not like crazy crazy like I
I've definitely heard of worst things that happened I think what it is is the randomness of it and the type of victims
that they were so the type of victims they were were like very upper class
income successful white people they were the perfect like little nuclear family
and the randomness of what happened to them is just like how on Earth it's it's scary because it feels
like oh that this could literally just happen to anyone at any time like I was actually doing the math on this was like we're probably going to get into an
argument over this because I can understand reading a story like this why people are so gun happppy in this
country because it's like wait somebody can come into your house and do that to you and yes the outcome is that like
also people can go into schools and shoot kid like I I get J position there but I'm also like
I if this ever was a thing that I thought was possible in my life I would definitely go get like a gun and want to
kill somebody that came in my house and did this so anyways that's Sur Fring yeah you know I'm thinking I think
you're gonna say and it's awful and also yeah you're afraid of the random the
randomness yeah the randomness of it is like what is so freaky like I mean that's the part of it that I think just
because again like what ends up happening to them like wasn't like the most violent thing I've ever read is
more like just like damn like really like that that's just like that could be your life it might be it's basically
like the um the the strangers right it's like it's a randomness of like strangers like that's that's the story but so
we're going to get into our two main antagonists first first off we have a guy named Joshua
Andrew kamerki keski okay okay I was I was just
writing this I was like man I should have had Taylor do this because she is so much better pronouncing these crazy names than I am J far so far more so
Concan but this has so many more syllables on my name like my name looks hard because
people are lazy but if you actually look at it it's not that hard this come whatever uh I'm gonna call him Josh
going forward so Josh was actually he was born to a 16-year-old mother and
some mechanic that was barely old enough to like get someone pregnant basically and he was immediately sent off for
adoption normally I would say that this guy was dealt like a pretty bad hand given that he was born into these
circumstances but he was like adopted at two weeks old by what I'm going to describe as mostly normal people They
were religious lunatics who basically would put him in Bible camps and as far
as I can tell I would classify them as like Evangelical um the one thing that did
happen to him that was obviously horrific was being molested by an uncle and the way the family dealt with that
was you need more religion so that wasn't great like his mental health was not super well well taken care of and
the uncle didn't like go to jail or anything huh no of course not and I mean yeah yeah you'll see this
play itself out later on like that that that molestation piece of it will manifest itself later on it's
interesting because he um his family the family that adopted him came from like
these like crazy like this crazy background like his grandfather was apparently one of the most influential
theatrical directors ever and his grandma was a Lithuanian
princess I yeah it has no bearing on any of this but like these people were very
very waspy you know I saw a documentary about this this Prime that we're going to discuss and they interviewed like his
uncle and aunt and dude their house looked like one of the coolest houses
you'll ever seen it was like a glass house it was in these people were like very very waspy yeah yeah this all
happens in Connecticut the home of the wasps so just we're clear that is true we know that so around like time Josh
was 12 or 14 this is when the molestation piece kind of manifest itself he also had a sister who was also
adopted by this family and that sister accused him of molesting her yeah which
is like the cycle you see right like if somebody gets molested they just keep kind of perpetuating that cycle so and
around this time Josh was also doing some other Petty crimes such as breaking into homes and buring them which is like
an insane thing to do when you're like 12 to 16 years old but he did it a lot
my my Sor my libertarian cousin who was like was like what did he say he says oh
the one who said that like America is he America is the least racist Country Now
on Facebook and I was like oh my God it was like super embarrassing but I wanted to say to him to say oh yeah because do
you remember when you got arrested for breaking into houses when you were 15 years old did you were you afraid the cops were going to shoot you no because
you're white you're white but I left that out because I'm pretty sure it's a felony but he definitely did that I um I
was literally talking to someone about this after having gone to Europe I can
attest that America has a much better persp perspective on racism at least as
it relates to me than English people do like English people still do think that if you're not like as white as have
problem with brown people too yeah yeah yeah it was uh that was that was a unique experience it like it it was like
it was like living in America like in the 1990s is me like I was like wow this is crazy um but yeah good point so Josh
ends up getting so Josh had actually committed about 18 burglaries at this point by the time he was accused and convicted of sexually molesting the
sister he committed about 18 burglary like this is his thing you just like go out yeah but but it was also like my
take on it was like okay this kid like literally has nothing but like religious indoctrination like yeah it's got to be fun to go break into people's houses so
yeah he gets nine years in prison it was interesting because he this is like when he started
like showing some sociopathic tendencies he told his lawyer that he would like to
go into the bedrooms of the people that whose house he broke into and just go from bedroom to bedroom and just listen
to them breathing not doing anything and just they home they' be home oh my
God yeah and it was something around how he like wanted he just liked knowing
that he had this like power over them that he was breaking into their intimate space that he was disturbing their
privacy and all that stuff Jesus Christ so and and that kind of leaves him like
this is like when he kind of starts showing that he's kind of [ __ ] up one thing that was interesting was that he was apparently like super super smart
too so he had like a photographic memory so apparently when he was like coming cleaned by these burglaries he could
remember every detail he would tell you how much money he took from which house what denominations that money was where
he found the money if he found them in pants he would tell you where the pants were what color they were what kind of pants they were and he was a crazy CRA
good artist like his like I saw pictures of his art and I was like dude this kid was like super talented and he didn't
utilize it the way he should his poetry was going back to poetry his poetry was really really um uh dark but
like like I wouldn't classify it as like something I want living in my head but like it's good to read it's it's not a
bad read but so so anyways he had a lot of stuff going on there so five years
years after the conviction for the sexual assault in this burglary he is paroled and he sent to a halfway house this is around7 2007 yep there you go
perfect timing right and this is when he would meet the other antagonist of our story a guy named Steph Joseph Hayes who
very recently as of like two three years ago came out as trans transgender and
changed gender orientation so from here on out I'll just refer to Stephen by his current name which is Linda Hayes thank
you okay and it I'll be referring to her as her going forward so Linda was quite
a bit older than Josh and I think it it amounted somewhere around 17 years older than Josh is the events we're discussing
here again they happened in in mid 2007 so Josh would have been 27 and Linda would have been around 44 years
old that being said usually the dynamic that we talk about is how the older one manipulates the younger one that's
really not the case here Linda seemed like a total [ __ ] burnout nothing loser like
like she spent most of her life in jail for like stupid Petty crims like breaking the window to a car to steal
like a computer like stuff like this like Linda had been arrested about 30 times by this point like it was just
Petty stupid [ __ ] it wasn't like creepy I'm going to stand the foot of your bed
while you're breathing crimes like it feels like Josh was the one that was the
most influential over the two of over their Dynamic with each other Linda would apparently try to OD and kill
herself many times while she was younger I actually watched this documentary it's on HBO if you want to watch it it's called The chesar Murders because it
happened in chesar Connecticut I watched this documentary and they interviewed Linda's brother who I don't totally want to talk [ __ ] about because he seems like
he has some kind of a degenerative disease the way he moves his mouth and talks he has like Ms or Lou gar I can't really tell what but after the crimes
took place he like Lyn is on trial and um the brother writes the judge and the
prute about how like they should put the brother to or Linda to death because he
was such a terrible brother growing up and talks about how when the brother was five Linda put his hand on a hot plate
and was like you should kill this like I mean like there's a lot of like
ludicrous assumptions being made there but the long story short was that Linda's entire family kind of hated her so that's kind of where where that start
ended up it is interesting because Linda does have a kid that was interviewed on the um on the HBO special on the
documentary and that kid had just gone back from Police Academy when all these crimes happened it's like the kid went a
totally different direction than Linda did which is kind of interesting wow could you imagine like that's how different yeah you're like I mean that
and he's old too you know like being old and having your parents be like a criminal yeah yeah it's got to be a
little wild yeah so let's we're going to turn our attention to the victims of this case so we have the nuclear family right we have 40 48-year-old Jennifer
honk pedit who was a nurse and the director of a private boarding school and also the mother of this family her
dad was a pastor in town and again they just seemed like this like overall waspy
happy go-lucky family we have their her daughter 17-year-old Haley pedit who was
about to graduate high school and attend Dartmouth College she was an overachiever she was an honor role she
rode Varsity for crew uh she had started actually a nonprofit for at our school to fundraise for MS research because
Jennifer the mom had Ms herself a yeah sweet kid apparently had a lot going on for and then we have the younger sister
she's 11 years old her name is Michaela petet lastly we have the Father William pip who was a doctor and endocrinologist
in town and you know the the patriarch here July 22nd of 2007 is when all this
kind of goes down so on that day which was a Sunday Jennifer and Michaela went
grocery shopping to get some apparently Michaela made dinner for the family a lot it was really was really sweet they
went grocery shopping and Josh saw them and started kind of following them and observing their routine Josh
Linda had become friends at this point and this is where it's a little bit of a conflict I don't totally know the truth
they either became friends at the halfway house or they became friends by attending a meetings
together there's conflicting reports on that long story short is that they started texting and the text was
something along lines of hey I saw this family uh I think we can break into their house because that's what I do I'm
Josh I we're going to break into our house and we can go ahead and steal a bunch of stuff and it'll be it'll be great nobody's going to get hurt her
that's what we're going to do one thing to to mention here is that in the documentary that I watched they interviewed Josh's girlfriend at the
time and they also interviewed the girlfriend's dad and there was some insinuation that Josh had pedophilic
Tendencies he obviously had some enough to sexually molest the daughter or the the the his sister but the int intuition
what's being intuited here is that he told Linda we're going to rob this house but it's believed he actually was trying
to get to Michaela and that was kind of the you know the main idea here how old was she
11 gross Linda doesn't know any of this Linda's assessment is like we're just going to go rob this place because
Linda's a burnt out loser like gonna follow a 27 year old when you're 44 who does that so the two arrived in the
early hours of July 23rd so they saw the mother and daughter on Sunday July 22nd they put this plan in action they alive
in early morning hours Josh enters the house through the unlocked door in the basement William the dad he's asleep in
the sun room so away from the rest of the family he's downstairs in the sun room Josh had found a bat in the base
basement and bludging the [ __ ] out of William knocking him unconscious they would then zip tie
William's arms and legs and then they would make their way up to the family's rooms where they would just like grab
them put their hands over their face and say don't scream they'll zip tie that all all the individual people people
upstairs and put pillowcases on their head again the plan is we're robbing this house so they ransack the house
looking for things to steal and they find some cash and realize that there's got to be more money somewhere so Linda
starts freaking out at this point because again like this is going this has gone too far for Linda already she's
there to rob a house we don't know for sure but it was assume that Josh told
Linda to go to the gas station and fill up some gas canisters so we see him doing this he takes the
family car he goes to the gas station and fills up some gas canisters it's during this time Josh stays at the house
and he uses this as his opportunity to basically rap Michaela oh and then it's all documented it's like he took
pictures of this on his cell phone Apparently after the trial the state ended up offering free counseling
to the jurors for having a look at these pictures like it was one of those things this is one where I'm really glad that we're not a video medium yet because my
face is like just a gross yeah horror this whole time yeah it's not and also
like Just In Cold Blood that we talked about yeah read it somebody that when
when I was listening to the documentary somebody said this is the most gruesome thing that's happened since cold in Cold
Blood it was actually referred in the in the documentary it's like such a similar [ __ ] story yeah
yeah this is where things get a little bit dicey and gets a little little bit more true FR me so Josh takes Jennifer
in the morning to the bank and tells her to withdraw a bunch of cash he does not go in the bank with her he stays in the
car [ __ ] stupid idea crazy okay go ahead continue it's crazy because what
ends up happening it's just like it's like why didn't she say anything is it they kill your family what happened yeah
so she did she tell there's video of this like there's from from the Bank of America and she looks she looks like a
haunted woman when she's in front of this teller and she's telling the teller hey we're being held hostage do
something about this she writes this down in a note she gives her to the bank manager the bank manager immediately calls the police you can hear the audio
recording of all this if you listen to the documentary the police show up at the bank and then basically just don't reveal themselves Jennifer apparently
told the bank teller that hey these guys are not aggressive she hadn't seen that they bashed they bludgeon know she
didn't know because they dragged him into the basement so to her she was like look they're just trying to ransack the house and steal money like they're not
trying to hurt us so like you know they're not aggressive they're just after money Josh Josh takes her back to
the house and at this point police had basically just shown up at the bank and that's the story that they were at the
bank kind of surveilling things they don't follow home this is okay so this is where it gets weird this is where
like it's not totally clear so there was a foyer request for the transcripts of what the police were doing by the media
and it's all kind of like blacked out nobody knows for sure and the police aren't saying for sure if they were at
the house or not during this time it's assumed that somebody some police were
like at the house sort of but we don't know that for sure would they ended up would they for what they definitely said
was that they showed up at the house when these two were getting away because they rammed into a deputy's patrol car
and that's when they were arrested but there's this window of time from when they got back from the bank to when they
escaped the house when all the horror took place right and people people
generally think like this could have been prevented because 100% think that yeah like there's no
weapons involved right like there was no guns there was no knives nothing all they did was they found this bat and police could have done something but
they seem they should have gone there they should just been there yeah yeah so
I was listening to a pressure where the mayor mayor's like talking about what Heroes the police were and how proud of them they were and it's like one of
those things where your JW's like your JW what what they were late they were late yeah exactly it reminded me of the
shooter in Vegas remember that when the cops were in the hallway and they wouldn't go in the room and they could
have like apparently saved a bunch of lives they as well when like the cops didn't do [ __ ] which like look look I don't
blame him but like I I wouldn't go in that room either but I didn't sign I didn't sign him to be a cop like exactly
exactly it's not your job um that's so stupid yeah that's awful so they get
back to the house and Linda ends up raping Jennifer in the living room and
then he strangles Linda or she she she strangles Linda to death right Linda
strangles Jennifer to death yes and apparently during this time again William's in the basement he can hear
what's going on above him and his wife screams and he's shouting at them telling them to stop and Linda shouts
back that it's gonna stop soon enough like he was trying to be funny and like I'm gonna kill her kind of a way that's how this going to stop why isn't he out
of the basement he's been zip tied he had his headbash he's tied to a pole but
he was it's so sad too because when you look at pictures of this guy after this all happened because so many people were
like you could have saved your family you should have saved your family you should have done whatever you look at his you look at his head dude dick
cracked his head wide open like he was not in like a good position to like help
anyone but I can imagine as a man and that's your family like the events afterwards had to be like nightmares for
you but man every basement has that like terrifying pole yeah right that you like
run into on roller skates and or get zip tied to someone too yeah yeah remind me of the um the uh
uh BTS or G what is it BTK murders too cuz that's what he did he zip tied them
to the pipe in the basement yeah that's they happen Breaking Bad remember like yeah yeah so Williams somehow manages to
free himself enough to escape out of the basement door that they act Josh and Lind did actually let themselves in from
and started making out to a neighbor this is the time when he said he could he swore he saw men like in the backyard
like like police yeah like the Assumption was that there were police there and nobody came out to help him
but again part of me is like he also his head was wide open like he'd been bleeding out for this whole thing took s
hours he' been bleeding in the basement for 7 hours out this like Mass massive head wound so like could he have seen
nothing I don't know right he's definitely like confus oh my God poor guy so around this time Josh starts
dousing Jennifer's Body and the two girls who are still alive and zip tied in their rooms in gasoline not no not
good they spark the house and they try to make an escape in the family vehicle
and are immediately shot by police they Ram into the police patrol car and the police hop out and again this is where
like where there's this this difference between like the police say we showed up
when they were leaving it was a coincidence that all this happened at the time that it happened but the foil
request showed that police actually did state that they saw fire consuming the house like somebody was there we don't
know for how long or whatever so oh my God the girls ended up dying due to
smoke inhalation before The Rescuers could get to them and their bodies were pretty burnt up and nobody knows if that
was pre- postmortem that they got burnt which is that's the worst [ __ ] weight in your [ __ ] bedroom as a
teenager yeah as an 11-year-old one of them so Josh and Linda get uh set for
trial and they ended up having separate trials Linda was the first one to go and apparently Linda and Josh both were like
we'll do a plea deal we'll do a plea deal we'll do life in jail and the prosecution's like no no we're taking
our chances and we're going for death like there like we're this is this is not one of those times when you get a
plea deal the Linda's lawyers would argue that Josh was the brains the
operation that didn't convince anybody they did five hours of Liberation they found him guilty and they also sentenced him to death obviously like this it was
such like it was it's horrible I mean I listen to all these like uh these talk shows were like y'all should have
literally just put two in the back of their head like immediately like these people did not even deserve a trial I don't know how I feel about this so in
August of 2015 before Linda could be executed or Josh that matter the state of Connecticut abolished the death penalty
so Linda's now in jail forever without the possibility of Poole I don't really know how I feel about it like you know
the death penalty like it it's not really that big of a deterrent and it does cost a lot more than keeping
someone in jail for life maybe being in jail for life is worse than the death penalty but there's a part of me that's like man the the Dad should decide what
happens to them like it I know my friend Agnes from Illinois said uh slacked me
and said it sounds like fars is pretty pro pro death penalty you know what's funny is I did
death penalty Defense work in when I was in law school did you really yeah like I was L I was trying to get people off
death row in Florida um but I don't know that was a long time ago and like part of me like I don't know how feel about
it it's interesting because in this case what ended up happening was this sparked Connecticut's entire obsession with the
death penalty because if you were Pro death penalty this is the case you point to and say Obviously we should kill
these people yeah and what ended up happening was the state legislators passed a bill to abolish the death
penalty it went up to the governor and the governor's like no I'm not going to sign this specifically because these two
have to die like that was it was just because of these two and so it went back
to the legislator the state legislators and the state legislation passed another bill saying fine going forward anybody
convicted of the death penalty or going forward nobody can be convicted of the death penalty previously anybody on
death row can be killed by death penalty and it was just these two so they passed
this bill just to ensure these two get killed the the go the governor signed that into law obviously went up to the
Supreme Court of Connecticut and the Connecticut Supreme Court was like no you can't have if if you if you apply it
now it has to apply retro as well and they found unconstitutional and struck it down and said fine we'll won't have
ad PTY at all as a result of that that ended up these two ended up on life
without parole so I mean yeah that's I don't have they ever done that because I know that like like all the Manson
family like they should have been absolutely death penalti but they weren't because um of the the lot change
so is it always like retroactive yeah so I remember this in law school there was something about how if it's a criminal
case you can't if you change the law that law has to retroactively apply to
the people that are being punished by that law like it was it mostly came up in the in in the cases of like drug offenses when California made drugs
legal yeah um or marijuana legal but it also happened with um the mans murders
right like they were all on death throw and they're like nope nope we're just going to abolish it all together piece of of [ __ ] and and then and then but but
then it came back when it came back they can't also then retroactively increase your pun pment after the fact right so
California then passed laws saying that death penalty is okay Scott Peterson's
on death row but they couldn't put the people who were previously off death row back on death row oh my God what a
roller coaster I know I know so this
it's interesting because this thing had so so many policy applications the dad William would move on with his life he'd
get married he' have another kid later on in life he actually became uh he was tapped to run for the US house or the
Senate I can't remember which by the RNC because he obviously came out was like
as a talking that was a dog as a talking point he's like a really good candidate
on the Republican side right because he's 100% Pro death penalty he's a 100% Pro Second Amendment so it's like it's a
really good he'd be a good candidate he turned that down he ended up running for a state senate which he won uh and his
trm is up actually this year um and who knows what's going to happen after that but it's a horrible horrible case and I
can't imagine being that guy and how you live with yourself like he looks he has a a wife and a baby but I don't know how
you like move on from that what like what how would a gun have helped he got hit in the head while he was
sleeping no it's not that it would have helped it's that like it gives you this sense of like how can I stop the how can
I is is there anything that could limit my ability to be victimized in this random situation and it's like I don't
know like no a gun would not have helped he was sleeping but like I don't know
you're right it wouldn't have helped damn that my argument completely fell apart I mean like I imagine like I don't
know one of the girls could have found the gun but like also you shouldn't have a gun around your kids like I don't know it's terrible it's awful the the
randomness of it is so scary the people be in your house the [ __ ] failure of the police to help her like dude it's
crazy she's at the bank like you could see her and she looks like just like a
ghost woman and it's like just follow her home and then just tackle one of like I
don't her parents were so sad like the parents were the pastor they're like these sweet sweet old people and they
were like you could have they could have called their house phone and asked to talk to them you know like they were
like trying to throw out suggestions anyways it was yeah it was it was bad but um up a million things yeah yeah
yeah that's part of it like it's the randomization of it it's the fact that they were just such a normal family
piece of it that plays it it's just like you don't expect stuff like that to happen to people like that I guess and
and also there's part of it it's like it reminds me of Straw Dogs or nocturnal animals have you ever seen either of those
movies it's largely around like being victimized and not being able
to do anything to stop it and um nocturnal animals is like really bad so
rawg actually they're both really really bad but yeah they're they're I mean they're
scary but like know it's not scary in a fun way it's not like The Conjuring scary it's in like you know sexual
assault scary so yeah yeah yeah I hate that um but yeah that's my story today oh that's terrible I thought you g talk
about a different one because there's another one another family that like something similar happened to um who and
and it was in D the one in DC in 2015 the sopis family sa v o p o u l oos and
they had two daughters who were out of town and one of them is on Instagram and she's like talks about her life and
being like what do you do you know I mean what happened that somebody broke into their house yeah and killed
um the mom and the dad and the housekeeper and the little boy terrible random um to steal money um he was like
I think he was someone I'm bringing Wikipedia really fast he like knew them in some way but it came back to he was
someone that they had fired I guess okay so it's not like entirely randomized no
but it's still in your house kind of killing would a gun have helped them I'm
going to lock on my doors no kidding I don't know if a gun would have helped them God I'm so glad I have Luna that's
true I feels so safe when she's here yeah I we should be Pro big dog we
are pro big dog we're pro big dog podcast yeah all right well that is our
story Taylor I know you have to rush to recital what do you have 30 minutes to get there uh yeah it's in an hour so I
have to dress up and get the boy to dress up and then we we're going to go and watch some kids play some
instruments that sounds fun is is Lawrence playing no she well EXC me
miles does piano and Florence does Girl Scouts but I heard a rumor that she want to start playing the violin so you heard
rumors I don't know word on the street yeah I was telling my sister like when I have to help miles with his piano I'm
like I literally don't know anything I know nothing so it's like asking me to help miles conjugate verbs in Chinese
I'm like I don't he's like what do I do here I'm like I literally don't know I don't know what the notes mean I don't know what they're supposed to sound like
I don't know what the keys are like I don't know anything I I cannot help you I can sit here and make sure you sit
here but there's literally nothing I can do you know more than me yeah you got to stop paying your piano teacher because that's when they're coming to you for
guidance that's not a good thing no no no I'm saying me I cannot help him right right he's doing great good yeah I did
piano for a long time when I was a kid too yeah can you still play no I can still do Deck the Halls um because
that's the first song You Learn and that's it so I can do Deck the Halls on piano I can do wonder wall on guitar and
that is literally it you are a catch fars which like which like we don't need
to know more than that no so oh wait oh wait wait wait
sorry thank you to everyone for listening I'm sorry I'm just like falling asleep as we're ending this I don't know what's going on um also
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gmail.com yeah tell there's no way like we have enough downloads to where like I
don't think these are our like all of our I mean maybe like 10 of them are our friends or family email me tell me about
your life email Taylor okay cool I'll goad and C follow us in the things thank you thank you thank you
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