Hello and welcome to 2026! Let's start it out with the story of Mary Mallon, who spread Typhoid Fever around NYC in the early 1900s. For a while, Mary didn't know that she was a 'healthy carrier' of the disease. But something started happening - every place Mary worked, people got sick. She was eventually 'caught' by investigator George Soper, quarantined, let go, started cooking AGAIN, and finally quarantined for life. Wash your hands and join us!
Hello and welcome to 2026! Let's start it out with the story of Mary Mallon, who spread Typhoid Fever around NYC in the early 1900s. For a while, Mary didn't know that she was a 'healthy carrier' of the disease. But something started happening - every place Mary worked, people got sick. She was eventually 'caught' by investigator George Soper, quarantined, let go, started cooking AGAIN, and finally quarantined for life.
Wash your hands and join us!
Taylor: Welcome to the Year of the Sex. We are here live fresh into 2026
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not.
>> Taylor: What your country can do.
>> Farz: We are here live fresh into 2026. Welcome here, Taylor. Welcome to the Year of the Sex.
>> Taylor: Thanks.
So many bad things have happened already. Two things can be true at the same time. I will say I'm in favor of one of them
So many bad things have happened already.
>> Farz: I will say I'm in favor of one of them.
>> Taylor: the. Well, it's. It's a. It's a. Two things can be true at the same time. But we.
Did you see that fire in Switzerland? That. Just awful. So horrible way to start the year
But the one thing that I wanted to talk to you about is the man. Did you see that fire in Switzerland?
>> Farz: That. That was awful.
>> Taylor: Just awful. I was reading about it and, like, did you see the picture of the ceiling when it first caught on fire with, like, the sparklers? Oh, my God. And then my friend Karen was over and she was reading about it. Cause, like, there was a. She's like, how did so many people not get out? You know? But there's a point where it gets so hot that even if it's just the ceiling on fire, it gets so hot at one point that everything catches on fire. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah, it combusted. Everything just combusted.
>> Taylor: God.
>> Farz: Then. Then what? I read it was a basement thing, and so people were either trying to break windows or there was, like, one thin staircase that you could, like, run, run up. It sounded awful.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God.
>> Farz: Just last time looked, it was 47 were dead. It might be even more than that now.
>> Taylor: And then I also think, like, the people who live, like, what a horrible way to live if, like, you're burned all over, you know? Yeah, stuff like that. Oh, my God. Just absolutely horrible. So horrible way to start the year. I feel so sad for everybody involved in that because that's just so scary.
>> Farz: Is that.
>> Taylor: Does that.
>> Farz: Does that always happen? Isn't every new year, like, the morning after, like, something like this happens somewhere?
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
>> Farz: Feels familiar.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Unfortunately.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So, yeah, just super awful. Anyway, that made me feel very sad about fires. And also reminder to find your exits because I guess there was another exit, but you, like, naturally go to the main exit because that's when you think of, you know. So, like, just, you know, I don't know. I hate. I hate saying that because that sucks to, like, be in a place and be like, where are my exits? How do I get out in case of something bad? But, like, you have to do that.
>> Farz: Oh, I do it all the time. So my one thing is, because, you know, I watch a lot of, like, plane disaster videos. The one thing they always tell you is always count where you are in relation to the road that has the exits. Because if something goes wrong and it's smoky and fiery, your brain won't be able to process it. So you just need to like, be able to like, put your hand on a thing and physically, like, count it to know where you're supposed to go. And so every time I get on a plane, I literally just count exactly how many headrests there are between me and the exit row.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: I'm not crazy.
>> Taylor: No, you're not. And I feel like you told me that before. And also like, yeah, I always, like, I always check to make sure my closest exit isn't behind me, you know, but man. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, we're doomed to fail.
Taylor brings you historical disasters and failures next week on Fars
We talk about disasters even though we hate them.
>> Farz: Seriously.
>> Taylor: And we're always prepping for the next one. But welcome, welcome. It is 2026. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And I'm Taylor joined by fars. And I don't know, we'll see what disasters this year brings.
>> Farz: My. You know, my topic is not even going to be a disaster. So people can be really happy next week when they tune in to hear it. Just for you, Taylor. So you know you're going to have like a fun story.
>> Taylor: Oh, yay. That'll be exciting. Mine's kind of a disaster. Great, I'll type it. You ready?
>> Farz: Yeah, let's do it.
>> Taylor: So I was in New York City. Oh, I love New York City. I told you this. You know this. I did so many freaking fun things the whole time I was doing it. I was like, far as would hate this, but I will if when I take you to New York City, we won't do the things that I did.
>> Farz: Over Christmas if it's. As long as it's not Broadway shows.
>> Taylor: Exactly. We did Broadway shows. We went ice skating in the park. It was so fun, but it was so f****** crowded. We saw like the Rockefeller tree. It was just like wall to wall people. It was cold, it was crowded. I wouldn't do any of those things when I take you to New York finally. But. But I wanted to tell a New York story just because I don't know where this came into my head, but I was in New York, so I was thinking about it and I. I'm not even gonna make a guess. I'm gonna tell you the story of Typhoid Mary.
>> Farz: Oh, this is a good one. This is a really good one. I like this.
>> Taylor: So. Oh, man, this is my last tissue. My nose is running. Oh, it's probably also because I just finished. Oh, we were. We got sick, of course, on vacation, like, it's gonna happen. We, like, wore masks on the plane. We always, like, try to just, like, not be a person who does that. But then, like, my nephew was, like, projectile coughing over everyone, and everyone got sick, of course. But I also too about Typhoid Mary. I read a book called Fever. It's like a historical novel. It's fine. I didn't read it recently. I read it a long time ago. But also. But recently I did finish two days ago, the Stand, which I know. Did I tell you I was rereading that? No.
>> Farz: That's a Stephen King one, right?
>> Taylor: Yeah. But also one where, like, as soon as someone sees this, you're like, oh, you know, that's like. It's a. It's a plague end of the world story. I remember during COVID someone was like, this is just like the Stand. And Stephen King was like, it is not get vaccinated because the Stand involves magic. So. No, but Typhoid Mary passed typhoid fever, which is not typhus. If I accidentally say typhus, I don't mean it. It's typhoid fever. But never got sick herself. She's responsible for 51 infections and three confirmed deaths, if not more. Probably more definitely more definitely more. So there's parts of the story where I have some sympathy for her and parts where I absolutely do not. So I'll tell you when I don't, and you can let me know if you agree or disagree.
Mary Mallon was diagnosed with typhoid fever around 1900
There's also. I also learned today on Wikipedia, there's a marvel villain named Typhoid Mary or Bloody Mary. And that's cool.
>> Farz: Yeah. There was a wrestler named Typhoid. I can't remember his name. It was Typhoid.
>> Taylor: Something fun. Yeah. So our Typhoid Mary was of course not named that at birth. Her mother didn't name her Typhoid Mary. Her mother named her Mary Mallon. She was born Sept. 23, 1869, in Cookstown, County Tyrone, Ireland. So she emigrated to the United States around 1884, when she was 15. So she's an Irish immigrant to the United States in New York City, where we can only assume everyone is racist towards her because it was be racist towards white people.
>> Farz: That was before Irish weren't white.
>> Taylor: Yes, exactly. Exactly. And I meant my brother was talking this over break how he went to Italy. He's like, people in the north of Italy are still so racist as people in the south of Italy. And I'm Like I know they're all Italians. Like it doesn't.
>> Farz: People everywhere are crazy racist Americans are the only ones who point it out.
>> Taylor: I know for all. So she moves to New York and she becomes a maid, which makes sense. She lives with some of her family, becomes like a live in maid. I'm thinking like Gangs of New York style.
>> Farz: So cool.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And she eventually becomes a cook in, in New York. And being a cook is a good job. You get to be inside, you are warm. If you are like a laundress, more like a maid. You're always like kind of wet and dirty. But if you're a cook, you like are, you know, an important part of the household. You get paid well. And Marri Mary is good at it. She can cook all sorts of things and she especially makes this like ice cream and fresh peach dessert that everybody really likes. So like she's good at it and people like her. So she has these jobs as, as a cook. But then around 1900, so she's been in the United States like five years, something starts to happen around Mary. So in 1900 she's in Mamaroneck, New York, which I can only assume is on Long island because it's called Mamaroneck. I didn't look it up but like that's kind of ridiculous names that they name their towns there. And she works, the family that she works for there gets typhoid fever. So what is typhoid fever exactly? It is a disease caused by salmonella enterica bacteria. And when I clicked on that word on Wikipedia it was chemistry. So too much. But it's a bacteria you get six to 30 days after you're exposed. You can get. Not everybody gets sick, but you can. You get like a high fever, abdominal pain, headaches, some rose colored splotches on body. You don't always die, but like you can die like if you're like weakened immune system, that kind of thing. And then it only affects humans, so animals cannot get sick with it. And then also want to point out, I'm not going to pull any punches. Typhoid is caused and spread by eating or drinking food or water contaminated with the feces of an infected person.
>> Farz: That part I knew.
>> Taylor: That's how you get it. So it's, it's common today in places where the water sucks. You know, like in India, there's no water filtration. That's where the most cases in the world are today. But it's not obviously not as common as it was in like the 1800s. Make sense?
>> Farz: Right?
>> Taylor: In History. Some people who famously got typhoid fever, Emperor Augustus of Rome, Prince Albert, Victoria's husband, Tsar Nicholas. These people didn't die, so not everyone died for it, but these people who like confirmed to have it had it. William Henry Harrison, he was president and he died because there was poop in the White House water. I don't know if you've told you that before. There was like an outhouse, like a hill. Yeah. It's like if even the president can get it from poopy water. It's like, you know, Stephen Douglas, the guy who ran against Lincoln, died from it. Lincoln's son William Lincoln died from it. And so did Ted Roosevelt's mom died from it as well. So it's not like something that you only get when you're poor. You just get so sick that you die. Like you really get like you like lose all your nutrients and like kiss sick, you know, you like kind of diarrhea yourself to death, I think. You know, so it's not good.
>> Farz: Taylor.
>> Taylor: Yeah, but so meaning like it's not just like a poor people disease, like anyone can get it at this point. So that family in 1900 in a Marin, they get, they get, they get it in 1901. She's working at a for a family in New York City. They all get sick. Then another family and they all get sick, which is kind changing jobs. But people are getting sick and she doesn't seem to really notice. Like it's not really a thing that is that jarring because people are sick all the time.
Mary wasn't washing her hands when she died of typhoid fever in 1904
>> Farz: Can I ask you something that I doubt you've researched, but you might have educated guesses on what was she not doing in the bathroom?
>> Taylor: She wasn't washing her hands. There's no way she's washing your hands. Yeah.
>> Farz: And did people know that you should wash your hands?
>> Taylor: So at this point I think that people do, but I don't think everyone knows and I don't think it's something that you like have to do like socially, socially or understand like what it means. Mary definitely even later doesn't understand that that's part of the problem because it's, I feel like, and I'm going to say this later, but if it's like there's something that like you've never done before but it's making people sick. Like how do you understand that? You know, if most of the time it's fine, but sometimes it's not fine and you don't have a concept of germs, like maybe the scientists do, but like Mary does not.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: Especially not now. Especially not yet. No one's told her anything. Like, no one has said, like, if you wash your hands, this would, like, be better. No one, like, has that. It's just like, you're cooking, you're going to the bathroom, you're, like, working all day long. Like, that's. That's it. If it's in.
>> Farz: Like, I obsessively wash my hands.
>> Taylor: Me, too.
>> Farz: Like, even right now, Like, I pet the dog and I just feel my hand is gross. So I know, like, I have a mental clock of, like, what I've touched and when I've washed my hands. And I know exactly when I can put my hands, like, put something in my mouth. Like, I. Yeah, I don't get people who don't do that. I don't understand it.
>> Taylor: I don't either. And, I mean, I have two antibacterial bottles on my desk. Like, I definitely am always doing that as well. I'm always washing my hands. But, like, it just wasn't something that people did that often. But I also feel like. It feels very like, duh, you know, like we were watching Lord of the Rings and Aragorn's hands are disgusting. Like, his nails are full of dirt and, like, all these things. And I'm like, ew, just wash your hands, you know?
>> Farz: But, like, I don't know anybody who's listening. If you don't obsessively wash your hands. Change that about yourself. Make yourself improve yourself. Make that a resolution for 26.
>> Taylor: At least wash your hands before you cook. Food.
>> Farz: Easy.
>> Taylor: Or eat. Or eat, you know. So in. By 1904, she's still working in houses in New York City. She works for a lawyer named Henry Gilsley. His. He's very prosperous, and his servants start to get sick, but not the family, but the servants get sick because Mary's cooking in the servants quarters. But, like, people haven't put that together yet. So in 1904, she is in Tuxedo park, which is in, like, a part. Like, a Southern part of New York, a little town, working over the summer. And I guess she's also in. A laundry worker gets typhoid fever and dies there in 1904. So they think that she was a person who, like, you know, gave that. That lawn. That laundry worker, typhoid fever, and that person died. That laundry worker was blamed for, like, bringing it in after her death. So they didn't even. Like, they didn't connect it to Mary. Not yet. In 1906, she's an oyster By Long island, hired by a banker named Charles Henry Warren for a summer rental, which I'm imagining it's like, almost Gatsby style, you know. Summer rental in Long island even now is nice as, you know, like, so she has, like, this, like, nice house and. But over the summer and again, this is a good way to catch her, even though, like, they weren't looking for her yet, because short period of time, she's not working there for like a year. She's working there only over the summer, you know, so when people over the summer get sick between August 27 and September 3, six out of 11 people in the house get typhoid fever. They get sick, and the landlord is like, okay, this is crazy. Like that, like, is something wrong with my house? You know, like, what is it a. What is it? Like, I don't know. I don't know if they had, like, the. Like, is it mold? Is it bacteria? Is it a virus? Like, whatever. But, like, something is wrong. What is it? And to be able to, like, rent his house again, he wants to make sure that, like, it's not the house. So he hires a man named George Soper to figure out what the causes. And that's.
Mary March never gets sick from typhoid, but George Soper does
So we're in 1906. So this whole time, Mary is like, well, s*** happens. People get sick around me. It's a gross time to be alive. Like, not even thinking about it really as anything big. Like, it doesn't. It doesn't sound like it has occurred to her that something is happening around her. She's just, like, moving from job to job like anyone would in that time, you know? And there's probably like, thousands of women who do the exact same thing that she does.
>> Farz: She must have smelled so bad. Walk around with s*** all over her fingers, like, come on.
>> Taylor: But everyone smelled bad. I mean, think about time travel. Besides that, you can't eat the food or drink the water as everyone smells f****** terrible.
>> Farz: True.
>> Taylor: You know, like, everyone's mouth, like, their teeth are falling out. I can only imagine in all of history, you know. So after the Oyster Bay thing, George Soper is hired. He's an investigator, but he's. He's a. Specifically an investigator for contagious diseases. And this is, like, interesting time to do that because it's starting to figure this out. He's a sanitation engineer and epidemiologist. And he has worked, you know, in a couple interesting places. Like, later he'll work on the Spanish flu outbreak. He helped after the Galveston Hurricane in 1900, when there's a lot of like standing water and people are getting sick. And he's trying to figure out, like, why. In 1923, he will be appointed managing director of the American Society for the Control of Cancer, which later becomes the American Cancer Society. So he's not out to, like, get anyone, he's out to figure out why this is happening. So he starts off with that house and, like, starts to kind of go backwards and fig and see other places where a lot of people got sick in one spot, specifically with typhoid fever. So he's like, did anyone just get here to this house for this, for the summer? And they're like, yes, there's a new Irish cook, her name is Mary, and she's gone by then. But he starts to trace back and find the places where she's worked, which isn't easy because it's not so hard. Yeah. So it's not like he's like looking at her like tax forms, you know, like they could find your, all your jobs out or like her LinkedIn, you know, like.
>> Farz: So, yes, presumably there are not other outbreaks of typhoid. Typhoid fever, because everybody else has a common decency to wash s*** off their hands before making food for others.
>> Taylor: Well, a couple, a couple of things have to be true. You have to not wash your hands in like a certain way, which I don't think is only Mary doing that, but you also have to be a non, a non symptomatic carrier of the disease, which Mary is. So she has typhoid in her body, but she's never gets sick. So other people, if you were like, oh, I'm running a fever and how little spots over myself, maybe I'll take a pause from cooking because I obviously have typhoid, you know, so that's it. So she doesn't have any symptoms and she never does. So she never, like, exhibits any symptoms of having this disease, but she's carrying it. So that's kind of what makes it even harder for her to believe and like, worse for her because she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. I am not sick. You know, but they're like, you are sick in your body, you just can't feel it.
>> Farz: Yeah, you know, got it.
>> Taylor: So he also notes that, like, if she's cooking food that gets cooked and gets like heated, it's fine, but if she cooks something raw, that's when it's going to be like a little bit worse, obviously. And that, those, that peaches and ice cream thing that she's A specialty of. That's probably it. The thing that gives people. Give the people the disease. So he finds her in March 1907, and he confronts her at her apartment. And she's, like, not happy. She's like, what on earth are you talking about? Like, what am I. What am I in trouble for? He brings a woman with him, a doctor named Sarah Josephine Baker. I just looked up. I just looked up her Wikipedia page as well, but she seems cool. So she said that Mary threatened her with a knife when she, like, tried to confront her. And Sarah Josephine Baker was also the first woman appointed as professional representative to the League of Nations. She has a bunch of cool accolades. She just seems fun. Just want to mention that she was there, too, helping Soper. Soper published later in June 15, 1907, in the Journal of the American Medical association, this is what he said about, like, finding Mary. He said, quote, it was found the family changed cooks on August 4. This is the one in Oyster Bay. This was about three weeks before the typhoid epidemic broke out. The new cook, Mallon, remained in the family only a short time and left about three weeks after the outbreak occurred. Melon was described as an Irish woman, about 40 years of age, tall, heavy, single, and she seemed to be in perfect health. So that's how he, like, found her. He was like, this is who she is. So they go to her apartment, they confront her. He's like, listen, of the eight families you've worked for, seven of them have gotten typhoid fever. Everyone. She's like, everyone's sick around here. It's not a big deal. They have to eventually get her boyfriend, his name is Raymond Hoobler, to convince her to give them samples of her urine and feces just to check. They're like, we just want to check to see if you are a carrier of this disease. And this is all brand new. So just, like, to your other point, like, she's a healthy carrier. And that's not something that people have, like, heard of before. Like, the thing isn't new, but knowing about it is, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah, I think that's still the case. I think I remember somebody. I heard somebody who had, like, HIV or was able to give people hiv, but didn't actually have it or something. It's really weird. It's. I don't totally understand the concept.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I don't really understand why, but, like, that's basically it. So, like, a healthy carrier is. Is new. The idea of washing your hands, like, at least for Mary, is. Is new.
Mary is quarantined in 1907 for suspected typhoid fever
The idea of germs. All these things is all new and in the kitchen staff in New York City, like, it's just. She's doing everything everybody else does, but she feels like she's being singled out, and she's p*****. She's like, this isn't fair. Yeah, it's not fair, but it's true. You know, the path is there. The evidence is there. So they do find the typhoid fever, like, salmonella bacteria in her. And on March 19, 1907, they quarantine her to the Riverside Hospital on North Brother Island. So it's an island up between Queens and the Bronx. It's a hospital for people with contagious diseases. And Mary doesn't feel like she has a contagious disease, remember? So she's just, like, there, but, like, quarantined, but, like, doesn't feel sick. Currently, the Riverside Hospital on North Brother island is abandoned, but you can see it from, like, the shore. And it's cool. It's, like, covered in trees. And the current mayor of river of North Brother island is Zohran Mamdani. I just wanted to add that as.
>> Farz: A fun note because it's. It's New York.
>> Taylor: It's part of New York. Okay, That's a good thing to happen this year. So, okay, she's not arrested, but she's forced to be there. So she's p*****, you know, like, I'm not under arrest, but I'm forced to be at this hospital, and I'm not sick. So, like, what am I doing here? They suggest a couple things. They said we could remove your gallbladder because we're pretty sure that the bacteria is in there, and then you can go back to work. But she's like, no, you can't just give me the surgery. I don't understand. That's potentially fatal because it's like, 1907, you know?
>> Farz: Is that true if they remove your gallbladder?
>> Taylor: Possibly. But, like, they weren't sure, but they were like, we can try this. And she's like, no. Which I think is fair.
>> Farz: Yeah, I'd probably say no.
>> Taylor: You know, so she's there for three years for this quarantine. There's a picture of her in bed. Like, if you Google her, like, in the thing, and she has, like, her hair up and she has her arms crossed, and she's laying in bed and she's glaring at the camera. She looks p*****, you know, so you can only imagine how mad she was this entire time. But she's. The press starts calling her Typhoid Mary. During this time, some doctors are like, I don't know. You can probably let her go. I don't. I don't. I don't know the details behind this, but, like, Soper's like, no, I really think that this is a thing. Again, like, doctors disagree. It's all pretty new. In 1909, she sues the health department and loses. And, you know, they're constantly testing her. And there is a report that, like, they tested her, like, her samples 163 times, and 120 times they came back positive for typhoid fever. So, like, it's definitely still in her.
>> Farz: She's the problem.
>> Taylor: Yeah, she doesn't believe it. Like, she never really believes it. On February 19, 1910, she promises never to be a cook again and to wash her hands. So they let her go. Let her go back to New York City because, like, they have no reason. They have no real legal reason to keep her there. You know, they just, like, assume that she's this thing, which she is, but she also, like. They also, like, can't just keep her there against her will. So she says, I won't be a cook anymore, and they let her go. And that's where I have, like, a little bit of sympathy for her. So, you know, she's been on quarantine for three years. She goes back to New York City, and she now has to take a s*** job. So she. She becomes a laundress. And doing laundry pays, like, you know, roughly $20 a month versus $50 a month being a cook. So she's making less than half of what she's making before she ends up hurting herself. Because, like, a physical. More physical of a job, she can't work for a few months. So it sucks. And if someone's like, you can no longer do your job for reasons that you don't understand, even though we've told you this a bunch of times, you don't believe it. But you have to take a s***** job and you have to. You know. So she's like, obviously not happy. Like, the last couple of years have been really s*****.
>> Farz: Counterpoint. Stop being gross. Like, it's not that hard.
>> Taylor: Like, no, 100%. That's what. That's my tiny bit of sympathy. And then she loses me immediately after this.
>> Farz: She does the thing again, doesn't she?
>> Taylor: She does it again, and she never f****** washes her hands because it keeps happening. So she goes back. She goes back to cooking under a fake name, and almost everywhere she works, people get typhoid fever. I'M like Mary in all caps. Mary. What the s***? She works in houses, hotels and spas under a different name every time. And she had to keep moving because people kept getting sick. So, like, this is happening.
In 1915, she goes to work at the Sloan Hospital for Women
It's happening. Like, what. What is? What is wrong with you? It's definitely happening. Then this is where she absolutely loses me as a sympathetic character in history. In 1915, she goes to work at the f****** Sloan Hospital for Women. And you know what that hospital? Pregnant Women and Babies. And I wrote, 25 people get sick and 2 die. You f****** b****. Like adults. Fine, Fine. Kids. Absolutely f****** not. You're gonna go to a place with babies and with your f****** poop hands and get everyone sick. No.
>> Farz: So gross.
>> Taylor: It makes me so mad. So, like, you don't. I know. I know that maybe she didn't understand the science. That's, like, the thing. But all you do is wash your hands. That's like. That's a.
>> Farz: You don't have to understand the science. I don't know how gravity works. I'm just like, cool. I'm just not going to jump off, like, a building.
>> Taylor: It's like, the proof is there. It's like, behind her. She's just, like, not getting it and, like, not taking it seriously. Even if, you know it's just people are still getting sick. So if she's washing her hands, doing it well enough, you know all the things. So there's obviously a pattern and just know. So the chief obstetrician at the hospital calls in an expert, and of course, it's Soper. He's our hero. He comes back in, he's like, mary, you f****** b****. Like, I knew this was you this whole. This whole time. He knows her description and her handwriting. He's like, it's her. She's cooking again under a name. Because he kind of lost track of her. She was, like, hiding in New York City. And that's easy to do in 1910. So on March 27, he finds her. On March 27, 1915, he sends her back to the island for the rest of her life. She never leaves. They give her a little cottage that she gets to live on, and she, like, has a dog and, like, whatever. At one point, a doctor comes in and gives her a job washing dishes. Which is wild that you would have this woman wash dishes in your lab. I'd be like, I don't want her touching anything, even in soapy water. No. But she. So in 1915, she gets put there for good. In 1932, she has a stroke and she moves from her little cabin to the actual hospital, though she actually does need. Does need care. And she dies on November 11th night. No, it can't be. Oh, yeah, 1969.
>> Farz: Seriously.
>> Taylor: No, 1939. That 1939 of pneumonia. There was no autopsy and she was cremated.
>> Farz: It's 1938.
>> Taylor: 38, yeah. So she just dies there after living there for. For, you know, 30 years or so, or 15 years by herself.
>> Farz: I'm going to throw out another option. She could have had, like, a developmental disability. Should have been mentally disabled.
>> Taylor: That's true.
>> Farz: Because I can't. Because I can't fathom somebody absent, like, a aggressive mental illness being like, either you wash your hands or you just go to jail for 30 years. Like, you know what, man? Jail sounds better.
>> Taylor: And like, she was never, like, arrested really, but she was, like, forced to stay there. And so there's like, the stuff in, like, history is like, was that fair? And I'm like, yeah, actually, I think she should have been arrested. You know, like, she was the first healthy carrier that was, like, found in the press.
>> Farz: Yeah. She, like, decided to kill people.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Like, even if you don't understand, if I was like, farce. Every time you snap your finger, someone could possibly die, you would stop snapping your fingers, you know, especially if you saw it happen. You wouldn't be like, oh, I don't believe you. You know, and especially after, like, the pattern over and over again. If you have to leave your job because people are dying, like, how did.
>> Farz: She have a boyfriend? Like, how. Who is this? Who is this prize? Like, what did he look like?
I'm glad she died in quiet isolation
>> Taylor: I mean, the picture of her, she looks p*****. I think she looks pretty, but, like, you know, still, I think, you know, she. I mean, she. It was like a. The. The. It's brand new. Nobody knows what it is. How can you believe these people? You are, you know, you're living a rough life. All those things are excuses until they're not anymore, you know, and then they're not anymore. And then you go work in a hospital with babies and I hate you.
>> Farz: Yeah. There needs to be accountability.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Well, good. I'm glad she died in quiet isolation.
>> Taylor: Me too. Me too. I'm glad that she, you know, had to be put away. I mean, she had to be because she couldn't do it. I'm glad she didn't, like, leave and go across the country and just get people sick everywhere. That's a bummer.
>> Farz: It's wild.
>> Taylor: Wild. Yeah.
>> Farz: Somebody that anti washing their hands. Oh, man. Just. I. I kept playing images of her making, like, a peach and vanilla ice cream with those poop hands, and I just. I just make myself sick.
>> Taylor: Not good with those poop hands. Lord. Yeah.
>> Farz: Also, we should go visit that abandoned asylum.
>> Taylor: I mean, we should visit lots of abandoned asylums.
>> Farz: We should.
>> Taylor: It sounds really, really.
>> Farz: I'll find one when you come visit Austin in February.
>> Taylor: Let's do it.
>> Farz: Well, thank you for sharing that. For some reason, I thought we're so deep in the amount of episodes we have that I was like, did we do this before?
>> Taylor: I know. I almost thought that we did, too, but I don't think that we did. I don't know. Let's find out. I don't think so.
>> Farz: No, we didn't. I looked it up while you were talking.
>> Taylor: Okay. Thank you.
>> Farz: Yeah. Sweet. Well, thank you for sharing.
Taylor: We missed our goal by 1500 downloads
We have any lists for mail today?
>> Taylor: We do. I have one. A note from Nadine. She was. She sent me a cute note. She was preparing her Christmas dinner and listening to the Jazz man or X Man Jazz man episode. And she agrees with your theory that it sounds like it feels like it's mob related, you know, like we're gonna threaten some grocers. Like, hey, look, things are. People are being threatened that you have to be protected, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm into that theory. Nadine.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: You and I, we're gonna start a new podcast and discover or solve this cold case.
>> Taylor: Cool. That's it. Thank you, Nadine. Nadine and I talk on Instagram, but you can. You can DM us on Instagram, you can email us doomtophilapodmail.com you can find us on all the social media and you can tell your friends. Please tell your friends.
>> Farz: Please tell your friends. We've actually been growing at, like, a pretty, like, consistent clip, which means that people are listening and then they're also telling people, which is great. Thank you for that. So please keep doing that because it makes us very happy.
>> Taylor: Yes. Thank you. We missed our goal by, like, 1500 downloads.
>> Farz: You mean 15 million.
>> Taylor: Sure. I mean, we had, like, a very normal goal. We're normal. But, you know, if I add a couple zeros. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yes. Sweet. Well, yeah, as Taylor said. Right. With studentfelp pond@gmail.com or on the socials. And we will join you all again next week. Have a great 2026, Taylor.
>> Taylor: Thank you.