Today, we learn about Grant Amato - a former nurse (dishonorably discharged) and dude in love with a 'cam girl' - so in love that he stole a TON of money from his family and also murdered them. I worry about the people who are in love with their Chat GPT.
Today, we learn about Grant Amato - a former nurse (dishonorably discharged) and dude in love with a 'cam girl' - so in love that he stole a TON of money from his family and also murdered them.
I worry about the people who are in love with their Chat GPT.
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>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Taylor, we're back. And I will say after I learned that the time switch happened and since we talked last, I am not tired and sleepy now.
>> Taylor: You feel like less. You don't feel insane. So that's.
>> Farz: I don't feel insane. Yeah, exactly. Which is a good thing for me. but yes, we are here. We're back. Gonna tell y' all another fun story today. Taylor, do you want to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Sure. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. I'm. We bring you historical disasters and failures. I'm Taylor, joined by far as. And today it's fars turn. He's gonna talk.
Taylor: The whole point of this was to talk about relationships doomed to fail
>> Farz: It is my turn. And Taylor, for anybody who didn't see cut this like, fun little promo thing about like, our history and like, why we started doing this, what the whole point of was, which it sounds like you did a 20 minute version, which I didn't see. I saw like A.
>> Taylor: The 22nd version. Minute version is just like the episode I did. Like, I released an episode of me talking about our like, 20 or so women's history stories. And then from that I recorded just like the video of me doing it and then put that into a thing and made a clip of it.
>> Farz: Well, one of the things that you touched on there worth referencing, the whole point of this was to talk about, like, relationships that were doomed to fail. Like, it should have been obvious and, or like to the person or to the society or whatever. And that kind of inspired me. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go back to our roots, to the whole point of this and talk about a relationship. I'm gonna use relationships in quotes here, but a relationship that was getting to fail. And it's a. It's a. It's not a fun one, but it'll be interesting. So also, I think it's topical. Like, you have a lot more s*** to worry about than I do because you have kids. And I have no idea what their world is going to look like when it comes to, like, this social, digital, parasocial elements. Like, it seems like. It seems like society is just like running head first into this. That. And it could be a little bit fraught for some people.
>> Taylor: It does
>> Farz: say here. So I'm going to start my story. I'm going to kind of lay the groundwork for it.
Someone plugged a thumb drive into a computer in Cha, Florida
Okay.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: It's 11:32pm on January 24, 2019. Someone plugged a thumb drive into a computer inside a house in Cha, Florida. Definitely didn't say that. Right. The thumb Drive contains over 500 photographs of a woman, a Bulgarian woman named Sylvia. Vetsis salava. Though the person who collected these images knows her only as Selby. Sylvie is a cam model.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: Which is a performer on an adult site, which we'll get into here in a little bit. But the whole point of it is that men pay by the minute for women, usually to talk to them or to do stuff on video in front of them.
>> Taylor: I got it.
>> Farz: Okay. This person plugs in the thumb drive who prosecutors say had just executed three members of his own family. But he did not flee. He didn't call 911. He did not try to stage a crime scene or destroy evidence. Not at this point yet. First, he sat down and saved photos of Sylvie. That's our prophecy. We kind of te this up. This guy's name is Grant Amato. And in 2019, he was about 29 years old. He was a nurse who became a family annihilator. And we're going to dig into how his obsession over a parasocial relationship he had with a woman across the world led to the death of three people.
Grant Amado was accused of stealing medication from his nursing job
So let's get into the family. So there are five members of the family, including Grant, who is going to be the subject of our story. There's Jason, who's not going to be relevant here. For the most part. He's a half sibling. And you have Cody, Grant's brother. And you have the parents, Chad and Margaret Amato.
>> Taylor: Okay, so it's not his. It's his family, but it's not his family.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, It's. It's his, like, technically, Chad and Margaret's family.
>> Taylor: Right. It's not like his kids. Yes, his. Like, what is that, like your first family?
>> Farz: The ones. The ones who go above you?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay. Not the nuclear family. The nuclear family that your nuclear family spawned off from.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: We'll carry out first one.
>> Taylor: I see and I get it.
>> Farz: So Chad Amado, he was a dad. He was 59 years old, and he worked as a clinical pharmacist. Margaret amado, she was 61. She was an operations manager at some nearby company. I don't really know what that is, but that's what she did for a living. They're professionals. All that good stuff. Cody, the brother, he was 31, and he was a nurse. Anesthesiologist at. Or a nurse. Anesthetist. Anesthetist, whatever. Anesthesia At Orlando Regional medical Center. And then you have Grant, the youngest.
>> Taylor: Both boys, they're both nurses.
>> Farz: And Grant at that time, like I said, he was 29 years old. He was also a nurse. Cody was kind of the golden child in the family. He was just like a happy, go looking guy. He had a girlfriend. The family adored the girlfriend. I think, you know, this is the part of like, you know, America where just showing your parents you can attract a woman and keep her is enough to make you seem like you're, you're the good one, I guess. And I mean there's nothing able to do that. It's not nothing. That's true. That's true. Grant was considered more like an introvert. Quieter, just seemed like less like social, less into less, less extrovert. Extrovert. I guess. He had his nursing job and he held that job for a decent amount of time. The family was really close. They actually lived all together on this like large, at this large house in this rural lot. It worked for them. I, I don't know if it would for everybody, but seemed like a really close tight knit feeling for the most part. Then came, I think one of the main triggering factors for what's going to happen in the future is Grant lost his nursing job. The public record isn't like super clear about all this in detail. What we know is there was suspicion that he was stealing medication. This thing called propofol, which I tried looking up and I think it's like a, equivalent to like a pain medication essentially.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: And basically a bunch of this propofol stuff went missing when it shouldn't have been. Vials of what were found around patients room that Grant was overseeing. And Grant, when questioned about this was, well, they seem like they were in pain. So I just did this and I was like, well, on two counts he
>> Taylor: was like taking it at.
>> Farz: Yeah, like on one count you can't steal medication without a prescription. On another count you can't prescribe medication to patients because you're not a doctor. So, so he got fired for that. Obviously went on his record. He was investigated by the police actually and they ultimately dropped the charges for reasons I couldn't really figure out exactly why. But he had this like blemish on his record. Like I, I, I imagine it'll be hard to get a nursing job again.
>> Taylor: Exactly. It's not gonna be a nurse again. But yeah.
>> Farz: And yeah. So this is kind of when things seem to spiral for him. Which is like another great validator for like I read this stat, I forgot what it was. I don't know if it's causality or correlation or causation, but some like some huge percentage of men die like really soon after retiring. Do you hear this? There's. I feel like if you don't feel needed or wanted or whatever, if you have a thing that you drive towards, then you just. The will to live kind of goes away. So anyways, this is a good validation.
You're gonna do great when you retire. I hope so. I think you can find stuff to do
>> Taylor: You're gonna do great when you retire.
>> Farz: Me?
>> Taylor: Yeah. I'm gonna tell you right now, I feel like you'll be fine.
>> Farz: I hope so. Yeah, it's a whole podcast.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I think you can like, find stuff to do. You like, you like traveling and I think it'll also be good because you're able to travel like for yourself, you know, because I feel like now a lot of live your travel, you're responsible for other people, but you won't have to be. You won't have to do like travel for work. You can just like go back to Ottawa and do beautiful Ottawan things. I'll be there in Canada waiting for you.
>> Farz: I like when you said travel for, for other people and you said work, even though what you really meant was the other thing. Yeah, thank you. We know these are inside jokes, guys.
>> Taylor: I just don't want you to die as soon as you're. Because I want to hang out with these cells, please.
>> Farz: If I retired, I would spend all my time and money building the coolest, most natural garden the world has ever seen.
>> Taylor: I love it.
>> Farz: I started looking up, like, properties and like, was thinking, like, what would it be like if I moved, like out of Austin to like a 10 acre ranch and like, got a bunch of ducks and, and donkeys and stuff. Be really fun. So anyways, back to branch. That's not about me.
Grant wanted to start a Twitch stream and play video games for money
All right, so without work, without the structure that kind of imparted, Grant retreated into his room and onto the Internet. His family was actually pretty supportive because, like, at this time, like I said, he couldn't get another job. Like, he was. He had a pretty big black mark on his record. Given the reason why he was fired. What he told them was, hey, get me set up, give me a bunch of equipment so I can set up a computer and start a Twitch stream and play video games online for money, which I guess is a real thing. I've officially gotten too old for this. Like, people. First of all, I don't know what Twitch is. Second off, why are people paying you to watch you play video games?
>> Taylor: Like, how is it people love watching other people play video Games.
>> Farz: Are you familiar with this? This is a real thing?
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, my kids watch. Not, like. Not on Twitch, but they watch, like. And I have to tell them to stop because I'm like, this is really f****** dumb, you guys. But they do. It is not. It's dumb, but they watch, like, other people play Minecraft.
>> Farz: Interesting. And they pay them.
>> Taylor: Well, we don't pay them, but there's, like, obviously ads, you know.
>> Farz: Ah, okay.
>> Taylor: And I'm sure there might be people who pay to, like, watch more stuff, but I was, like, also trying to explain the kids, like, YouTube ads and how that works. I'm like, the more you watch it, then you watch the ad, and the people who have the ad, they're paying because they know you're watching it.
>> Farz: You know, Taylor, I think I have a business idea here that we can bet offline. We get a bunch of, like, those old Nokia phones and people can watch us play Snake and see if they'll pay us.
>> Taylor: Yes. I'm really bad. I think. Perfect.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I don't know how we, like, we just. We could just, like, hold it to the camera. You can't, like.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. You can't connect to this. We'll work on the plan. This is not the brainstorming session.
>> Taylor: Don't steal it, everyone.
>> Farz: Yeah, so that was his plan. His parents were actually supportive because they were like, hey, this is harmless. And he's got a plan. He's got no other choices. Again, these will seem really, really caring, like. But Grant was not twitching, I guess, is the word you would use. He was not playing video games on Twitch. He was going to a site called My Free Cams, and there he found this woman, Sylvie, in Bulgaria. So I. I'm not doing this for. For my own volition here, but just explaining how the. How these campsites operate. So apparently they're. They're basically engineered to create the illusion of intimacy. So a performer will show up on your screen, they'll talk directly to you, they'll say your name or your username, and. And you can tip them. You can give them money in the form of digital tokens that you use real money to buy.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: And the whole point of it, I guess the reason why it's popular is because it feels personal. It feels like you're. You're having a real connection with another person, which is, like, really depressing.
>> Taylor: I mean, a lot. Yeah, a lot of it's really, really sad.
>> Farz: Yeah.
Grant: Parasocial relationships aren't inherently pathological
This is where, like, I. I'm really into, like, what Scott Galloway says about, like, young People where he's like, everybody who's on this, like, no alcohol thing. Like, stop that. When you're, like, in your 20s and 30s, like, go drink and meet people and do make decisions that are maybe dumb, but not life ultra. Like, force yourself outside. Yeah, just go outside. Yeah, I did.
>> Taylor: I went to a bar on Friday and I had one real beer and one fake beer, and it was great. And then drove myself home, and I was super f****** proud of myself. And, yeah, like, at least I went. But I went out and I talked to a bunch of friends for a couple hours, and I was like, this is really nice. I can't believe I even know. This is so long, you know? Yeah, yeah, that's. And it's. I don't know. I feel like it's even. It's only going to get worse with AI. Like, I watched a thing of, like, a woman who's in love with her chatgpt, and he wasn't even nice to her. Like, girl, you made up a robot and he's not nice to you.
>> Farz: Like, you remember when I sent you that picture of Rachel's robot when she asked him, how do you think I treat you? And it was like him caged up to a fence with, like, signs saying,
>> Taylor: do better, but he's always nice to her. Like, this woman's GPT wasn't even nice to her. You know, like, you should hold him not to be exactly. Like, she programmed him to, like, neg on her. Right.
>> Farz: Anyway, so.
>> Taylor: Only gonna get worse.
>> Farz: Only gonna get worse. Which is, like, why it's important to kind of pay attention to the topics like this. Because, like, we can kind of mitigate some of this stuff. We are cognizant of it, I think, but apparently. Okay, so with this campsite, the more money you give the girl, the more she pays attention to you.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And I guess, like, that's where the parasocial aspect of it comes from, is like, you think that she's into you and this is a real thing that's happening. Whereas, like, she's only doing it because there's an economic value to it.
>> Taylor: And it's like, you know that, but you, like, forget, you know? I feel like they, like, know they know it, but then they're also like, oh, I'm, like, buying stuff because we're in a relationship. Like, oh, I'd buy a girlfriend something. And you're like, that's different.
>> Farz: I don't know. We. We're. We're not totally dissimilar from that behavior because when our Pot, our favorite podcast. When they broke up, we all though everybody had opinions about it and everybody felt a certain way. Everybody dealt with in a certain way.
>> Taylor: True.
>> Farz: You know, like you feel like you
>> Taylor: also feel like you know them and like you definitely don't, but you feel like you do.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's the parasocial aspect of this. A one sided emotional bond where one party invests genuine feelings into the interaction, whereas on the other side it's just a commercial transaction. And this is kind of like where like ours is like different is like this is the kind of research I pulled up on this was that parasocial relationships aren't inherently pathological. Like most of us end up having them with like celebrities or musicians.
>> Taylor: Yeah, you're like a fan of someone to see you, but I'm not gonna like. It could get weird.
>> Farz: It could get weird. Yeah. But I guess like the, the dangerous part becomes when you stop when, when you lose the ability to understand that this is transactional. When the other person still realizes that it's transactional.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And Grant lost that ability completely. He spent up to four hours a night on the site. My free cams. Sylvie's private shows cost. I actually get a breakdown of what this actually comes out to. I just got the total. So her private shows cost 90 tokens per minute. He would buy 5,000 tokens at a time, which were about $600 to purchase. So on an average night he spent 600 or so on, on paying her.
>> Taylor: Is she okay? Is she like being trafficked?
>> Farz: I mean, entrepreneur probably. I mean, I don't know. At this point in time that we are in society, it's hard to even like, I don't know, it feels. But it's Bulgaria, so there's that, that can't. That probably doesn't help the situation. So in addition to $600 a day, he's also sending her lingerie and other items. He's like buying her stuff. And he told her he's this like wealthy professional, successful gamer and basically built this entire false identity around who he is as a person. But like the crucial detail here is Japan doesn't have any money.
>> Taylor: Was he doing any twitch, any twitching at all or.
>> Farz: No, he wasn't doing any twitching at all.
>> Taylor: Got it.
>> Farz: Yeah. So he's. Yeah, he's like, he's unemployed, like I wrote here. He's generally, he's not generating any money from twitching. Every dollar he spent on Sylvie was stolen from his own family. He took his parents and his brother's credit Cards. He took money out of their accounts. Over the course of just a few months, he is estimated to have stolen about $200,000 and just handed it over to the Sylvie woman. Wow. Yeah. So the family obviously notices the missing $200,000. They discover the fact.
>> Taylor: That's a lot of money.
Chad and Cody staged an intervention on Grant following mother's death
>> Farz: Yeah, it's crazy. Their reaction, oddly enough, wasn't unmitigated rage. It was just pure concern, which is, like, shocking. They basically staged an intervention. Mostly it was Chad and Cody who confronts Grant. And they decided they're going to pay to send him to basically a sex addiction retreat or whatever. Apparently it cost $15,000 the family paid for themselves. So they're now out 215 grand just on this guy. Grant entered the facility and then left. After a few weeks, he returned to the family home. And the father, Chad, he laid down some ground rules. First off was no contact ever anymore with Selby. And you have to participate in ongoing therapy sessions as they come available. He also has to, like, start looking for other employment, like go work at McDonald's. Like go and do anything that forces you out of the house and away from computers. Basically.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And the rules were that if you violate any of these rules, that's when our attempts at helping you stop and you are kicked out of this house. Essentially. Grant agrees and obviously doesn't comply. He keeps communicating with Sylvie in secret. And the family logged into his computer because I guess that was a part of the condition of him coming back was them getting access to all of his. All of his materials. And they access his computer. And Cody and Chat went online as Grant and told Sylvie and other online people on Twitch or wherever the h*** these people were the truth. They told them that, hey, this is what's going on with Grant. He's not rich, he's not successful, he's not a professional gamer. He's unemployed, living with his parents. All the money he's been giving you people, he's been stealing from us. He's in therapy or whatever. And Grant wrote a message which prosecutor would later read at trial. The message he wrote to this same community that also got this update from Cody and Chad was, quote, I think it's safe to say by now that everybody here knows that I made a drastic mistake with Sylvie. I upset her. I made her very sad and ruined the end of December and beginning of January for her. I won't go into great detail because that is not the purpose of this message. But I lied to her and you guys from the beginning about myself. I'm not A professional gamer did not own my own house. And it did not drive a BMW, which is a weird way to end it.
>> Taylor: That's so silly. Like, those are the things that he said that he had.
>> Farz: He's like, 29. I mean, I was an idiot, you know, when I was 29, wait, did I get married? I got. Yeah, I. We all knew stupid things were 29. But, like, this is, like, just, like leaps and bounds. But. But it just. I just found it interesting. Like, he didn't say that he, like, stole 200 grand from his parents. He said he'd made Sylvie sad. And, yeah, the injury he recognized wasn't the one he'd inflicted on the people that loved him. It was on this, like, random woman he was spending all this money on.
>> Taylor: He's like, Sylvia, like, doesn't care. She's not getting all that money anymore. But she's not like, oh, you hurt my feelings. Maybe she said that to him. But, like, I don't believe her.
>> Farz: No. On the. On January 24th, Chad discovered that he was. Grant was talking to Sylvia again in violation of the rules. And he told Grant, that's it. You got to leave the house. That was it. That was the last straw. So the reconstruction of what happened was that Grant killed his mother around 4:40pm on the 24th. That was Margaret. Shot her in the back of the head by. With a stolen gun that he, like, somehow ripped off of. Some person knew in real life.
>> Taylor: Did they have guns?
>> Farz: No, it was taken from someone else. Yeah, they didn't have guns. They only know this timing because the mother logged into the computer at 4:44pm on the 24th, and they, like, it had to happen, like, around that. Around that time zone. Approximately 30 minutes later, Chad came home from work and Grant shot him twice in the back of the head in the kitchen. Then he waited for about four hours with the body of both his parents until Cody came home from his shift at the hospital and then shot him to kill them. Killed him there as well. He then staged it to look like a murder suicide with Cody. So he put the gun in Cody's hand and made it look like he was one that killed the parents. The staging was pretty clumsy, and forensics didn't support it. And there was a. There was the thumb drive, which was a big reason for why. That was at 11:32pm on the same day, seven minutes after he had inserted the thumb drive into the computer. Cody's iPhone was also plugged in. But there's a trust authentication that has to occur when you plug someone else's phone into someone else's device, and if you ever seen it before, but you have to, like, approve it and enter codes to do that.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And that didn't happen. So the authentication, the handshake, never occurred, which led them to conclude that, oh, somebody else plugged this phone in. It couldn't have been Cody, because there was no authentication done here. When Cody didn't show up for work the next morning, his colleagues called the police and was like, this is not like him. The police arrived for a wellness check. They found the three bodies and Grant. I don't know how, but they immediately figured out where he was.
Grant Goodwin was sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his parents
He was staying at some Doubletree hotel or something, county away. And he was brought up for questioning. He wasn't trustworthy. He gave contradictory statements. And they sent in his surviving half brother, the guy Jason I mentioned in the beginning, trying to persuade him to confess, which he wouldn't. He maintained his innocence, but given all these circumstantial evidence, like, this guy, like, it wasn't him. It was Bigfoot. Like, there's no other option here. Basically.
>> Taylor: Yeah. It's like Cody doesn't. Like, Cody was going to do that.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. There was some also banter. They interviewed Sloan at some point. The girlfriend was like, obviously, y' all know Grant did this, right? Like, it's so clear that it was him. Like, yes, Cody did not kill Cody not come home from work and just decided to kill his parents also.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: We know by the timing of when the mom logged in that it happened like, six hours before Cody got home.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: So, Grant. So part of the psychological program is kind of built around this, was that essentially what happens in these pathological, parasocial relationships is that you create this, like, alternate version of yourself to this digital world that is much more that you're. It's a Persona you're more comfortable occupying than your real Persona. And when the family was basically like, hey, like, this guy isn't who he says he is. He's broke. He's living at home with us. He ripped us off this money, all that stuff that was kind of like killing this part of him. And you're going to see this later on when I tell you what he actually says during his sentencing, how, like, he felt like they killed him before he killed them. Like. Like, that's kind of what it boiled down. So that's when the parasocial aspect of this became, like, really pathological and psychotic, essentially.
>> Taylor: And, like, putting the blame on them
>> Farz: is wild, which he will do. He will do. On August 12, 2019, he was found guilty of three counts. First free murder.
>> Taylor: He.
>> Farz: The state pursued a death penalty, which this must have changed since I went to school there. But like, apparently a unanimous decision was required. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. When. When I was there, simple majority was sufficient for a death penalty to. To be imposed. I guess now it's a unanimous decision. He was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Jason, the only surviving member of his family, was sitting with the prosecution the whole time during the trial. Like he hate Grant, apparently, which is justifiable.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: And this is the board. That was nuts. When he was sentenced, he was asked if he felt any remorse. And what he said was, quote, my family has been blame blaming me for months for ruining their lives, stealing and not following the rules of the home. So I might as well be blamed for this too. What. What is wrong with 30 now, bro?
>> Taylor: You. You've been like mad at me for selling $200,000. No s***. Of course I'm going to mad at you. You should be in jail. You're lucky you to jail.
>> Farz: It's like, it's weird. It's like every time I steal your credit card and use it on myself,
>> Taylor: I get mad at you.
>> Farz: You become like a worse friend to me. What is up with that?
>> Taylor: I'm sorry.
>> Farz: So he's obviously incarcerated. Never going to get out. Really fun side story here is, do you remember a show called Ghost Adventures where a bunch of these dorks go into houses and like look for ghosts with like infrared cameras and nonsense.
>> Taylor: And just like, I think I've seen a bunch of those.
>> Farz: Someone rattles something in the corner, like, that must be.
>> Taylor: I. It's stupid and like, I have to make fun of it, but I could absolutely not do it. I was so f****** scared. If I was in a room in the dark and you knocked on the door, I would lose my mind.
>> Farz: So, I mean, it's good enough to where I think there's like 20 seasons. This thing, this thing has been on since I was like a kid is still on. Apparently one of the guys, one of the main guys in the show, this guy named Aaron Goodwin, some way, somehow this idiot Grant got a hold of some smuggled phone while he's incarcerated, and he starts sexting with Aaron's wife, this woman named Victoria Goodwin. And Victoria tries to hatch a plot with Grant to kill her husband Aaron, the star of this show.
>> Taylor: But he's in jail.
>> Farz: He's in jail. So what happens is.
>> Taylor: And again, not a Criminal mastermind.
>> Farz: Not a mastermind at all. He's in jail. That's the key that, you know, he's not a mastermind. Ran, apparently is able to get in contact with Jill. Buddies with some hitman on the outside contacts the hitman to kind of set up this murder of this husband. And then the wife is supposed to pay him. The. The hitman backs out, reports to the cops, because obviously that's how these always end. Yeah. And, yeah, the woman gets, like, eight years in prison. And grants he hasn't been charged with this yet because this just happened.
This happened like, this happened, like, last year. It's still pending his charges for this
This happened like, this happened, like, last year. So, like, it's still pending his charges for this. But, yeah, that was another fun little epilogue or whatever this.
>> Taylor: How would he have found her? Like, why would she talk to him?
>> Farz: I don't know. I couldn't figure out, like, why. How did y' all two get in touch? It must have been. She must have reached out to him. It could have been one of those, like, crush things, you know? But, like, they were, like. From the reports I read, they were sexting. Like, it was more than just like.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Sending letters.
>> Taylor: So. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah. Wild stuff. Do not give money. Do not think that people you give money for to show you their bare bodies. Like, you.
>> Taylor: I mean, this isn't Sylvie's fault. And there's also. I mean, there's so many lessons, I'm going to say, just going backwards, going. Starting from the back of. Don't sex someone a murderer.
>> Farz: We'll start there.
>> Taylor: Don't hire hitman because they're not real. Don't try to kill your spouse. Get a divorce. Don't kill your family. Don't steal money from your family. Don't take drugs at the hospital. If you're a nurse, you're gonna get caught. Lots of things.
>> Farz: I. Again, this could be a memory. I could have heard this somewhere. I vividly recall there being some police department that set up a site called, like, hireahitman.com and, like, people, like, every day it was, like, 20 people.
>> Taylor: Oh, my God. So stupid.
>> Farz: Also, one day, I do want to do that. That's that woman who hired a hitman. The hitman turned her in, and then the police found the husband, put him in a grave, and, like, put big dead paint all over him.
>> Taylor: Yes.
>> Farz: And then. And then there's, like, live recording of her being shown the pictures, and she's just, like, fake cry. It is amazing.
>> Taylor: I think that was also. I feel like that was definitely in Florida also, but. Yes.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's always in Florida. Are you crying again?
>> Taylor: No, this time my eyes are just watering, but I imagine I could cry at any moment.
>> Farz: Jeez. So that's it. That's. That's the fake relationship part. That's the. That's the doom to fail part. It's like when you find a cam model also. Yes, you're right. It's not Sylvie's part. As far as still being you. This guy spending 600 a day is, like spending like, 50 cents a day for the rest of us. Right? Like, I mean, she didn't know. Right?
>> Taylor: She doesn't know. And whether or not he's rich, like, I'm sure there's plenty of people who do a little bit of both. I don't know. I feel like when you're really rich, you don't need a cam model because you can just.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Feel of human women and put in your house, like, I don't know
>> Farz: the way you sound, like it's a caveman pumping a woman over the head and dragging her to the house.
>> Taylor: Stop being weird dudes. I mean, you can, like, you can look at a cam model, whatever, but, like, if that's her job and she's not being trafficked, you don't know.
>> Farz: So the secret here is it's not supposed to be easy and accessible. It's that old saying, anything that is easy to get, you don't want to have. Like. Like, it's not. It's supposed to be hard. The challenge is the part where the learning occurs. Go make an a** out of yourself. Go be embarrassed.
>> Taylor: Yes, that's. That's. That's a good point. Like, that's why you need to go talk to people and, like, mess up and, like, do stupid things, and that's fun.
Every single time I go to yoga, I do something embarrassing
>> Farz: I'm telling you, every single time I go to yoga, I do something that humiliates me to no end. Like, the other day I went in and I accidentally, as I was trying to be cool and say hi and all that, I knocked over the thing they had on the side, like, this little placard they had that had all their stuff on there. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. Then they're like, it's okay. They all had to rush out from behind to, like, clean it up for me. And it's usually. I mean, y. Life. You do stupid.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Move on.
My sister in law is related to Carlos the Jackal
So any who do we have any fun listener mail?
>> Taylor: I feel like I did have something else, but I can't remember right now.
>> Farz: Is it the fact that your in law is related to The Jackal.
>> Taylor: Oh, yes. My sister in law is related to Carlos the Jackal. Like third cousins. But she had to disclose, disclose that when she became a US citizen, like he moved over here, which is fun.
>> Farz: It's so funny how casually you're like, oh, yeah, that thing.
>> Taylor: Yeah, she, she texted me to tell me that. Yeah, that was fun. I don't think it's a secret. I think it's just like a thing.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's a fun fact. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Anything else?
>> Taylor: No, I don't think so. Oh, Morgan. My friend Morgan sent me a puzzle which is super nice, these really cool puzzles that we've been doing, and she had one that I hadn't done to show me that. So thank you, Morgan. But she, there's a TV show she's been watching where they mentioned the Toba volcano, where that one went off and blah, blah. I was like, it's so cool that we know all this stuff. So if you haven't listened to all of our episodes, we've learned so much in the past three years.
>> Farz: There's a lot out there. Check it out.
>> Taylor: Just imagine, Imagine how much you could learn. You listen to all of our episodes and told your friends.
>> Farz: Also, I'm going to do another shout out for my new favorite YouTube channel called Boring Space. B O R I N G Space. It's fascinating because it's so good, but it's so hypnotic that for the past couple of nights I put it on and then turn the volume a little bit low where I can hear it, but like not totally kind of plugged in. And I put it on a sleep timer and I am just out in like 10 minutes. And it sucks because I wake, I'm like, wait, what was he saying about the volume of atoms in the universe? And then I have to go back and watch it over again in real time. It's amazing. It's amazing on all accounts. So check it out.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I want to watch it.
>> Farz: All right, well, check us out on dimnafilpodmail.com on all the socials. Write to us at Doom to Phil. Oh, wait, what did I just say?
>> Taylor: Yeah, write to us. Doom to fillpod gmail.com.
>> Farz: there it is. Yes, please. We like you.
>> Taylor: This art that I made before we go off, Florence and I are putting our art in a museum. I think you just can show up and give them art for recycled art. And I made these stuffy taxidermies. This is the b*** of a unicorn of a mermaid being taxidermied. Isn't that cute?
>> Farz: Wait, where are you. Oh, wait, hold it, hold it to the side a little bit.
>> Taylor: This hair or to the side.
>> Farz: Oh, there we go. Thank you.
>> Taylor: I'm sorry, are you not looking at me when we talk?
>> Farz: I, I, I was trying to take a picture of it and I, I forgot it did this when I was supposed to do this. You're up here, you're not here. Ah, yeah.
>> Taylor: Okay, cool. Whatever
>> Farz: looks so.
>> Taylor: Thanks.
>> Farz: Cool.
>> Taylor: Okay. Okay.