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🎧 Get ready to explore one of America's most infamous and enigmatic true crime stories! This week, we delve into the case of Lizzie Borden, the woman accused of the brutal axe murders of her father and stepmother in 1892. But was she really guilty? Join us as we sift through the evidence, question the motives, and uncover new perspectives on this century-old mystery. 🔪🕵️♀️
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everyone Taylor from Doom to fail we're the podcast that brings you stories of History's Greatest disasters and epic
failures today we're going to re-release episode 24 part one and this is a just
such a great story man if you grew up in the Midwest of America I feel like there's in the 80s there's no way you
didn't sing this song um if you grew up in the 70s there's no way you didn't see the TV movie and I think that I say this
in the episode but I remember watching the TV movie with the woman Elizabeth
from Bewitched um and eating this so Dum but eating spinach fetuccini alfredo
like spinach fetuccini and never being able to eat it again without thinking about Lizzy bordon so we did this last
year in advance of Father's Day to talk about the relationship um between Lizzie and her dad it was not good he was not
very nice things were stinky and weird in the Bard in household it was hot also
if you've been in the American Midwest it is hot and sticky and imagine being there in the summer having to wear
Victorian clothing up to your neck everything's black and the doors in The Boarding House they lock them they close
the door they lock the door there's no ventilation there's no air the food is old everyone's sick it's tension and
it's I don't know did she do it I just don't know I I was so sure when I was
growing up and I guess if you know you know if it if it bothers you as much as it bothers me the idea that she didn't
do it is wild and also very very probable um so please enjoy this
pre-release of our dear Lizzie bordon and her a maybe and if you have any
suggestions for us for future episodes let us know Doom toil POD at gmail.com again this is episode 24 part 1 our
first 26 episodes were in um one big episode and we're separating them so only a few more re-releases to go um but
I hope you enjoyed this one it's it's honestly one of my favorite stories of all time um thanks for listening a
matter of the people of State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba09 and so my fellow
Americans ask not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
country [Music]
okay so next Sunday ah June 18th is Father's day did you know that I've
heard that call your dad um so to prep for Father's Day I wanted to celebrate a
story about fathers and daughters um and so talk about the relationship between
Andrew and Lizzie bordon um so sexual relationship wasn't
it it might have been yep so you are first generation American true was Lizzy
was Lizzie bordon a part of your life I mean I was two when I came here so like I mean I heard the whole like dirty wax
and all the all like I I remember buying a
book dude it was called Liz Clayborn hold on what's Liz Clayborn is that she's like a no Liz Clayborn is like a
um a fashion designer okay that I'm confusing things because I do remember getting a
book and I thought it was about Lizzie bordon and it was about somebody totally different and
then I'm messing up your story and derailing it as usual no no it's fine
but like you've heard of her you know um so you remember the rhyme which will say in a second um but just for me like it
this scared the [ __ ] out of me when I was little like it was I feel like it was in my life a lot um
I also like associate when I'm doing things with like the media that I'm
consuming when I'm doing it so like the kids bathroom I painted blue and it reminds me of Mount Everest because
while I was painting the bathroom blue I was watching a Mount Everest documentary okay makes sense so I remember watching
the Lizzy boarden movie um it was like a lifetime not not the Lifetime movie the one from 1975 it was like a made for TV
movie starring um the woman from bewitch okay and I love um yeah and I remember
watching it and being scared shitless and eating fedini alfredo with spinach noodles so whenever I think about fedini
Alfredo I think about Lizzie bordon nice think about her a lot so we have to like
you said do the rhyme um which is Lizzie bordon Took an Axe gave her mother 40
wax when she saw what she had done she gave her father 41 and you like skip rope to
that they died so people dedicate their freaking lives to this story it is such a fascinating story that people have
been like thinking about it forever um and I there's a huge Lizzy bordon
Society Forum which is like an old older looking web forum and people are active
on it today people active on it constantly there always people on it I watched the Elizabeth Montgomery movie
from 1975 um there's a couple other websites I went to there's a Lizzy boardon Society Forum um something from
website called element um I watched a show called history is Mystery is a strange case of Lizzie bordon Lizzie
bordon had an Ax from the Discovery Channel and I read a book called The Trial Lizzie bordon there's a lot I mean there's endless endless stuff about this
story several of the documentaries were made like right after the OJ trial which is hilarious because they were trying to
like equate famous American trials together and one of them was like we imagine that Lizzie bordon spent her
life with these murders hanging over her head and that will happen to OJ and I'm like OJ's fine OJ doesn't care at all
give a [ __ ] so like so you know um but here are the
facts on August 2nd 1892 the bordon house is at 922nd Street in Fall River
Massachusetts an uncle John Morris was visiting the bordens Morris ate breakfast served by the maid Bridget
with Andrew and Abby who are like the parents he left to visit friends around 8:48 a.m. at 9:00 a.m. Andrew went for a
walk sometime between 9 and 10:30 a.m. Abby went to tidy up the guest room and
was hit 19 times in the head with an ax her body lay on the bed opposite to
the door so you kind of had to be in the room to see where she was at 10:30 Andrea returned and the front door was
locked Bridget let him in and then she went upstairs to take a nap because she wasn't feeling well Andrew sat down in
the sitting room to take a nap and he was murdered so violently that half of his head was gone and one eye was
totally exploded so he was like hacked to death at and that was sometime after
10:30 at 11:10 Bridget and a neighbor heard Lizzie call come quick father's
dead somebody came in and killed him so that's like the stuff that we know for sure and that everything else we're not
sure about um so let me tell you about the people in the story so lizz's Dad is
Andrew Jackson bordon he was born in 1822 the bordens were a Fall River like
family they had lived there for Generations they were very um very wealthy um he didn't have the nest eggs
egg that other bordens had but he did make his own fortune he was a carpenter
he made furniture and coffins then he was a bank manager and he ended up owning a bunch of property and he was pretty rich so in today's money he had
about $10 million so yeah so he had a good amount of money there's another Bardon story um that happened next door
a few decades before where a mother who is like a great great aunt of Lizzy Eliza darling bordon threw her CH threw
her three children into the basement well and then died by Suicide W so they have like another horrible story that's
like right in the same neighborhood that happened before um so that's the dad um lizz's mom is dead her name is Sarah
Sarah Anthony bordon she was born in 1823 they had two children Emma and Lizzy and uh Sarah died when Lizzie was
two just like of being sick and being alive in the 1800s so Andrew remarried
Abby bordon she was born in 1828 her maiden name is Abby gray so she
was there's a lot of like spinsters in this story which means you're like 30 and not married you know so Abby was
kind of a spinster aren they still called Spencers no no one uses the word spinster anymore
oh my God am I old no you're not a hundred years old no one uses the word
spinster um so he probably just needed help with
the family you know and so there was like an unmarried woman and they were married happened by about when Lizzie was like five dery is also the name of
one of the banks that Andrew managed so it sounds like he like worked with her dad and then met her um initially she
had a good relationship with the girls they were young when and then she was in her 30s when they um when she moved into
the house eventually closer to the time of the murders Lizzie would start calling her Mrs bordon instead of mother
so they ended up kind of having a falling out Emma the older sister was also unmarried and she was agoraphobic
but during the murder she was out of town which is weird cuz she like never left her house but she was out of town during the murder visiting friends so
Lizzie herself Lizzie Andrew bordon was born on July 19th 1860 she was also unmarried you she's 32 at the time of
the murders she taught Sunday school she was in the women's Temperance league and the ladies fruit and flower Mission like
she was bored you know so boring yeah she was so [ __ ] bored a woman of her age was supposed to be spending her time
taking care of her family you know and like managing a household like that's really the only option so if she didn't have that option she really had nothing
to do why would you just casually take up like being part of a temperance
movement like well she was very religious and like it's like your your only favorite thing in your past time to
do is just to kill everybody's Buzz it's kind of weird yeah I mean her life sounds terrible and like she has her dad
has a lot of money but they don't spend it which is like frustrating I think probably for both girls because they're
like you know we might as well be spending this money but they they did spend a little bit so I'll tell you a
little bit more about that but there's two other people who are in in the um in the house at the time so John Morris is
the brother of Sarah who's lizz's birth mom and he came by to visit he came by independently just like randomly and
like stopped by so he's staying staying with the bordens but he leaves in the morning to um go visit and he's staying
in the guest room there also Bridget Sullivan she's 25 years old she was an Irish immigrant and they are so it's
such a racist time so they um eventually I don't think they got this down but they tried to blame the murders on like
a random Portuguese person they're just like anyone who's like a different like an other the bordon family calls Bridget
Maggie because their last Irish maid was named Maggie and they just don't want to bother learning a new
name that's so awesome ridiculous it's like naming your
dog the exact same thing as your last dog that's fny oh my God so poor Bridget
is like this sucks and also like it's so hot and so Victorian everyone's wearing
like long sleeves and it just sounds like really stuffy and kind of awful so I read so much stuff about this but also
uh the book that well also listened to the last podcast obviously and the book that they recommend is Bill james' popular crime which is so good um it's
such a great book and he's very funny when he he talks through different crimes and like tries to quantify who might have done it um but his facts are
it's almost impossible to see how Lizzie could have committed the crime and also it's very very difficult to understand
how anyone else could have committed the crime yeah I I remember that I remember that yeah so the third fact that he had
has that Lizzy made a number of statements about the case that were self-contradictory and in conflict with
the testimony of other persons so there's that that that part is like definitely true
so here's the scene and here's here's the day and what kind of leading up to
the day so we know the people we're in Fall River Massachusetts which is once one of the biggest cities in Massachusetts um rich people live up on
a hill so there's a hill where you live if you're rich the bordens don't live there they could afford to live there but they don't they live in town so the
house is like on a main thorough Fair like in town it's Tuesday Morning lots of people are around it's not like an
isolated place um Andrew was very very stingy the house had no water it had no
gas lighting so like those things were available but they had like kerosene lamps and they had like one water pump
in the basement and they had like an ous in the basement too I guess I don't I don't get people like that yeah it's
when you hear about Warren buff and it's like he still lives in the same house he bought for $500,000 like 90 years like
why like what this is such a big jump in like modern convenience you know like how about you don't have to PE in a chamber pot in the
middle of the night you know you could just not do that that's available to you kind of fun though I kind of want a
chamber pot now I absolutely do not want a chamber pot I would definitely not empty mine I'll just leave it there for
like six months at a time that's hor horrifying no no no no no no so anyway
it was an old house and they could have done better but they have the girls actually have money they have like an allowance they get it from a rental
house so Andrew owns a bun of property um he buys a house for his sister-in-law for aby's sister and the girls are
pissed cuz they want like they want more money um so the girls get the grandfather's house and the money from rent from that so they have a good
amount of money eventually they're going to inherit the money from their dad there's like really no reason to rush it but they so that's kind of where they
are right now something happened around like 1890 and that's when Lizzie started calling Abby Mrs bordon um in 1890 also
Lizzie traveled to Europe for a while with with other Bard and cousins so she wasn't like trapped in
in fber ver she got to go to Europe and like hang out so it was [ __ ] lame though Taylor it wasn't like me and you
going to Europe there weren't like at pubs like hanging out and having a great time playing darts being locals like they weren't doing that they were like
repenting or something it had to have sucked no I bet they were doing what other the other half of our trip to
Europe would be like going to churches and museums Yeah just they just went to bed
early yeah but all the but all the churches and museums in Europe are nice
dude I bet they I bet they would have thought they're the type of people that would have thought English food is good oh 100% yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
so a couple other odd things happened leading up to the murders there was a fight between Andrew and Lizzy it's
presumed and she had some pigeons in the in the barn that she was keeping like as pets and he killed them so like maybe
with an axe also that could maybe not be true but he had like done this to her pets and she was super upset there's
also like you said rumors of incest but those come later and the reason that people say that is cuz like you know he
had his two older daughters living at home with him like he never allowed them or what for whatever reason they never went out and got married um the crime
was so brutal that it had to be personal you know like any forensic person would tell you that also this is weird Andrew
didn't wear a wedding ring but he did wear lizz's high school ring that she gave
him that's gross that's weird that's suspicious
definitely was doing something um so that that you know that
could have that could could have may or may not have happened there's like so many of things on Lizzie board and Forum about it they like someone just had like
a um a webinar about it so it's definitely still like something that fascinates people but isn't this a point
in time when like it was common for for an incest in the family I don't
know I don't know I don't know any more less than like now in certain areas I
have no idea I mean yeah more remote I mean like if you're in West Virginia like there's not much there it's slim
pickings it's either family or nothing but they're not remote they're in the middle of the city it's true okay you're right you're right but I don't know
um there's also some thefts in the house so someone had come and stolen some money and a street car tickets um it
sounds like Lizzy was a suspect for those thefts so Andrew like dropped the charges and like didn't want the police to look into it so maybe she had done
that but also like she's bored maybe maybe she did try to steal some extra money or whatever so everybody is in the
board in House locked their doors all the time after this after this theft and
the house is really weird it is a house with no hallways all the rooms are
connected so when you walk in the front door there's stairs on the right and then there's two doors one door goes to
a parlor and another one goes to a sitting room so they're both kind of the same purpose just to like hang out and
then the sitting room goes to the kitchen and the kitchen and the sitting room both go to the dining room
and then there's a little back entry way and back stairs and the back stairs go
up to the third floor where Bridget lives and then also to Andrew and aby's bedroom you can get there that way too
okay I'll send you a picture the other way to get to Andrew and aby's bedroom is to the second floor so when you climb
up the stairs and on the second floor um there's the guest room where aby's body was found that's one door one door goes
directly to lizz's bedroom and her room is connected to Emma's bedroom
so we yeah kinded why didn't they invent hallways I
don't know I was gonna look this up because I feel like when you go to like when you're in Europe and you go to like Versailles there's no hallways you just
like room to room to room you know yeah you're right so I wonder when I was
going to look it up because I remember like when I was in Europe for the first time someone was telling me how they don't have closets because they used to
be charged by the room so you would have like a wardrobe
tax by the room but either way like also on the second floor there's a big clo
room they call it a closet but it's almost as big as Emma's bedroom it's a big room so it's a big room that they like store all their clothes Emma's
bedroom is a small room off of lizz's bedroom um and then Andrew and Abby have like a bigger room in the back of the house so the only way to get to Andrew
and aby's room is through come going up the back stairs or there's a door between their room and lizz's room but
that one is always locked yeah and so what they do is again like it's hot it's
[ __ ] humid they're all wearing long sleeves like Andrew is wearing like a full suit when he's killed and it's like
80° and the house is stuffy like I when it's hot and I don't have air
conditioning I want the windows open you know like and I want like air to be moving but air is not moving because
every single door is always closed and most of the time they're locked so shitty way to live yeah it
sounds terrible it sounds really stuffy I'm sure it smells terrible all of that yeah
so the family had been also super sick leading up to the murders Lizzie had
told someone in town that she thought someone was trying to poison them um because they had that bad milk but like
also they had no Refrigeration they were and they were eating old food they were eating old fish they were eating old
mutton like mutton broth um The 1975 movie does such a good job of showing how gross the broth was like actually
they show Bridget like almost throwing up and then like they have show the parents eating it like so gross I I throw up right now thinking about it but
essentially like during this time because of what the conveniences they haded their house and probably during
all time like to keep food from going bad you would keep it constantly cooking
yeah yeah Perpetual Perpetual stew or something right yeah so they really
stretched the fish in the mutton and so everybody was sick like it was old at
Lizzy was not sick and that people saw that as being suspicious but I also kind of feel like that's just
smart um Taylor I looked this up forever ago and I'm G I'm trying to find it
again now but hold on where is it where is this I will have to edit part of this
out okay so there's one there's a Perpetual
stew in Germany e that has been around since
the 15th century no yeah there's another there's another
in Japan that has had the same broth in their Perpetual stew since 1945 I hate that anyways okay sorry
exactly like in the Middle Ages I'm looking it up now there were in that had big pot of stew on the fire 24 hours a
day seven days a week over time you added whatever you had and you never really stopped adding to the
pot saying like you should make it now you should not do that um I mean no hard no so
anyway of course made them sick and so Lizzie wasn't sick which people thought was suspicious but also I feel like she was probably just like I don't want to
eat this I would not want to eat it she has cookies for breakfast that morning that sounds a thousand times better than
old mutton stew you know this this life sounds so terrible it sounds terrible it's real boring and like dreary um so
Lizzie's not sick which makes people feel like she might have done it also a
pharmacist during the trial is going to testify that Lizzie tried to buy pric acid to clean a seal skin Cape I look it
up the Metropolitan Museum of Art actually has a seal skin cape in their collection just like a short fur Cape
the acid could have been used as like fumigation but maybe she did ask for it cuz she was bored but also it was
probably somebody else the it sounds like the um the pharmacist just wanted to like be in the news because later a
police officer's wife said that she was the one who went in and tried to buy pric acid because you needed a prescription to buy it and they were
just kind of like doing like secret shop or trying to trick him so that probably isn't true um Wikipedia told me that
both both girls were so mad at their father for whatever reason that they stayed at a hotel for a few days before the murders but I didn't read that
anywhere else so I don't know where that comes from and then we do know that Emma was out of town and which was weird
because she never left the house and then John was there the uncle and he never saw Lizzy like she came in and
didn't say hello he just like left in the morning so they never even said hi so as in the morning of August 2nd as
the events events unfold for the women Bridget is in and out of the house washing windows and she was pissed like
she was pissed that Abby asked her to wash the windows it was hot she didn't want to do it she had food poisoning like she just didn't want to do it but
she was in and out of the house Lizzie is puttering around the house doing like normal Victorian lady things she's
ironing handkerchiefs she says that she goes to the barn to look for fishing lures for an upcoming trip so they had
like a small yard but they had a barn in the back so she's like rifling around Barn doing Victorian stuff um she also
stays in the yard and eats four pears and people are like that's so weird why would she sit there and eat paars while
while her parents are being murdered you know but I'm sure she was [ __ ] hungry and it makes sense to eat a fresh peir
rather than old do that's the most exciting thing that's happened so far yeah you get a pair like that's amazing
it sounds delicious and fresh and that sounds great so she's eating pears in the backy yard kind of just hanging out
it's hot as [ __ ] she's wearing long sleeves so Lizzie said that Abby got a note from a friend that was sick and
needed help so it's evidence that people liked Abby she had a lot of friends so it's possible that that happened but there was never a note like no one ever
found the note so they don't know so she was saying that Abby was out so sometime in the morning around 9:30 Abby is
killed so she's cleaning the guest room she is axed in the head and Abby weighs
200 lb she falls someone would have [ __ ] heard it you know you would think but she falls someone would have
heard her we stayed in a house that's like this age in Columbus Ohio one time uh my family and you could like see the
first floor through the second floor like it was like the house was old you know I'm sure that the in the
yeah like there was no like insulation you know like I don't think that like like it would you would not you wouldn't
miss it if someone fell yeah you know someone like dropped a book you wouldn't miss it right you know you would hear it
Andrew comes home and he can't get the door open so he's annoyed but like also all the doors are locked and he can't
get it open and the door is locked and Maggie um tries to get the door open not Maggie I'm sorry Bridget I wrote Maggie
you're doing you're doing the exact I'm doing it so Bridget tries to get the door open and she curses and she says
that she heard Lizzie laughing on the stair on the stairwell when she cursed so either she was laughing because of
the bad word which is what uh Bridget thought but also the spot that Lizzie was standing on the stairway was the
only place where you could have seen aby's body CU you had to be at a certain point on the stairway to kind of see
like underneath the bed into the guest room and see Abby laying on the floor so
that may or may not be true Bill James thinks it isn't true he thinks that she didn't hear laughing but like I don't know um Andrew takes a nap in the
sitting room in the pictures he's sitting on the couch with his head on the pillows and his feet off of the couch and his shoes are on so that's
weird like do you take a nap like that but also he's a lot taller than the couch so you wouldn't like see him cuddle up he wouldn't like be a cuddler
but also he just like he's in a really weird position so I wonder if like he fell but
but I don't know so K can I can I pause it a working Theory I have here yeah
yeah because so much about this case is based on like what normal humans would be doing or wouldn't be doing or
experience these people are like total freaking weirdos right yeah is it really
would I think that it's weird if Andrew were to go to sleep in a full tuxedo at noon in 195 degree weather probably not
because he's a [ __ ] weirdo they're all weirdos that's true exactly yes like
we don't know does he do every day I don't know like he very he very well might the great good point yeah do weird
stuff so so Lizzie calls someone yells out someone's killed father Neighbors start to come uh Bridget goes to the Dr
Bowen the family doctor to get him to come the police come and I'm sure you remember this but the police is like the
B Squad because everyone else is at like the county fair it's like the police it's like the police day of fun and most
of the police are out of town so they send the B Squad to uh to help they've never seen anything like this and the
you know this town is you know they they're like dealing with drunks and dealing with like Petty crimes they're
not dealing with axe murderers for the most part so also like the murderer
could still be in the house like potentially they are because Lizzy there like who knows so people start coming in
and out of the house the police do take pictures which is cool because that's pretty new it wasn't a thing to take
pictures of bodies but they don't take the pictures until about 300 p.m. so it's been like 5 hours since they died
and they've definitely been touched and like moved around um but they take the pictures we have those a neighbor Mrs
Churchill finally asks where's Abby and Lizzie said oh she went out and then they go for looking around for her and
then they find aby's body so they don't find it until after the police are already there it's wall yeah um so some
other things that they find in the house there's a a bucket full of bloody rags in the basement But Lizzy says that
they're from her period which they very well could be having your period is terrible it was terrible so they also
find an axe with a broken handle covered in Ash in the basement so they think that that may have been the murder weapon but they're not they're not sure
but also like there's no Footprints or handprints don't you feel like if you ask someone to death you'd have blood on
your like has to open the door so so the okay so that's the part of it where I'm
just TR to say my piece of this is like I don't think she did it only because
I'm looking at the crime scene photos dude this guy this guy's face was
butchered absolutely gone like there's like the fact that there was no blood on
her and if she's like oh I was on my
period there's no way you would confuse like what what what is her period like
50 gallons like over her face yeah would exactly so like so that's the only part
where I'm just like super in the lizz's probably not guilty Camp is because the blood it's not there and it's I mean I
my whole life thought I thought she did it this like this blows my mind cuz I feel like maybe she didn't and because of that because she was so
clean um and also Bridget saw her between the murders and said she was
clean so she would have had to like clean herself off change and then do it again so they pluming they PL right yeah
so it would have been really really hard but I also just feel like anyone would have trailed blood like through that house and they would have had to leave
the house covered in blood so that and no one noticed on like the street so
like maybe they were wearing like black clothing you just couldn't tell or maybe they were the butcher already covered and blood you know stuff like that like
it could have been but it feels like someone should have saw something if another person had been there um they do
the autopsies at the house and they leave the bodies there so they leave the bodies there like overnight with with
the girls which is crazy um so the next few days the bodies do go to the morg
and then they get sent to Harvard and a man named Dr Edwood um performs another autopsy on them he takes the heads and
boils them so he has just the skulls so they're very without their heads and he has has the skulls also Lizzy does
something super suspicious she Burns a dress so she probably did it in front of her sister and a friend and maybe in
front of some like other people but she was like oh you know we're just cleaning up the house cuz also the thing I just thought about is who the [ __ ] cleaned up
the blood probably poor Bridget right and so she has a dress and she's like oh this old dress has paint on it people
knew that she had a dress that had paint on it for real but she burned it in the stove which was like normal you didn't
really have like the garbage men coming by so you would burn things but she didn't for of her friends and they're like that's the worst thing you could
have done like now everybody knows you burned a dress like maybe it was covered in blood you know I don't know why she did that why didn't she just do it when
she was alone it just do in the middle of [ __ ] night you know I mean what was her excuse she was like oh I just
had paint on it I just was like I'm just like doing chores like normal chores again again
again these are weirdos that's a weird thing to do but it could be totally normal for them exactly yes super weird
um so Lizzy doesn't act doesn't act it's like you know again like they always say
like you never know how you'll act in like an an emergency but Lizzie acts like kind of suspicious the whole time but it's also because Dr Bowen is giving
her a [ __ ] ton of morphine she is high as [ __ ] she is like totally out of it um so she's definitely confused also like
there are thousands of people coming to Fall River to see the house cuz they will forever like people are there right
now stay the night it's a bed and breakfast like that's it's the same really oh yeah I mean 100% me to go
there everybody we have to go there yeah it sounds amazing so like there's like museums like the whole town this is all
this is it this is all fall biver has this is Lizzie bordon story and of course like if my neighbor was murdered I would be over there right now I would
definitely want to see I'd be like looking at it you know um also after the murders The Bard and
sisters offer a $5,000 reward in the paper for the murderer so this is also just like the OJ case like no one
bothers to find the real [ __ ] murderer you know yeah you like after the person's acquitted they're like cool
guess that's it you're like what you're saying he didn't do it who the [ __ ] did it so Lizzie was charged on August 8th
1892 she spent 11 months in jail before her trial what are you looking at dude
Taylor you can book wait how much does it cost hold on
oh my God you can Taylor you can stay in Andrew and aby's bedroom for $300 a
night they didn't die there but that sounds great can you say the guest room wait no Abby did Abby died in in her
room no she in the guest room damn okay wait hold on so let me see you into the guest room no you got Lizzy and Emma
sweet got Bridget josia John
Morris well John Morris stay in the guest room see I I can look it up too this is
the silent part of podcast official Lizzy boarding house see our rooms oh two 300 bucks it's like
consistently 300 bucks that's crazy yeah the John more sweet is the guest
room that's where Abby bordon was found 300 night Bridget room three people can see in Bridget room oh my God it's so
funny hey would you you would say that right for sure which room oh there's so many rooms
in the third floor they don't talk about it's weird I would want to stay in lizz's room even though it's not where anybody was murdered I want to stay in
the room that she lived in yeah I agree but wow it's interesting
that looking at this there's like there's Bridget's room and there's also also two other bedrooms on the top floor
so like who knows I don't know maybe someone could have hit up there I don't know also wait do you scroll down it
says no alcohol is permitted on the property we have already had two fatal head injuries in the home that's
funny yeah a Temperance people oh oh oh okay okay but yeah know that sounds
awesome okay cool anyway that's this is people should go there you can get a
tour a ghost tour a ghost hunt nightly from 10:00 a p.m. to midnight so if
you're staying there you can be part of the ghost hunt Okay anyway that sounds great let's definitely do that so the trial started on June 5th 1893 which is
130 years ago this week is when it started it was in Totton Massachusetts it had to be moved for like jury
purposes um during the trial Lizzy was very quiet cuz she was like on all these drugs she was chewing on her fan it was
so hot um she did laugh at one point and there's like a funny witness talking about dresses so she has feelings but
most of the time she was just like really quiet the jury is all men of course
there's a picture of the jury that is on Wikipedia they all look the same it's like very bushy mustaches just like
white dudes um actually black black men could serve on juries since 1860 in
Massachusetts um but it was this one was all white men women didn't serve on jurries till
1951 W yeah so but wh oh but oh but
women were there women from all over brought food had pickings outside tried to get and see it it was just like there
were women all around just like of course there are you know like this is the most exciting thing that ever happened they're going to hang out around the courthouse um her lawyer was
a former governor of Massachusetts he was very expensive but very very worth it it was like a dream team they poised
her as a good Christian woman who wouldn't do dream of doing such a thing um one crazy thing that happened during
the trial is they brought the heads the skulls into to the courtroom to show the
brutality of the crime but they didn't tell Lizzy or her sister that they were going to do that so Lizzie fainted right
away it's kind of a fun day kind of a fun day at court exactly a fun day at court um she also at one point cried
until she threw up so she does have like emotions and it's also really [ __ ] hot so there's stuff happening um but the jury deliberated for an hour and a
half and she was acquitted so yeah real fast um after the trial Lizzie does move
up to the hill she buys a big house up there there's a summer bedroom and a winter bedroom there's 14 rooms there's
tiffany lamps she has servants she names it Maple Croft and has a like a sign made out of concrete on the steps so she
lives in this like lav lavish house that she presumably always wanted to live in she changed her name to Elizabeth bordon
I don't know change your name to that um but nobody loves her like while she was
in the trial people were like on her side but afterwards they don't want to be associated with her so like her life was essentially ruined like she got the
money and she had to live in a nice house but she didn't have any like friends she didn't get to be a part of the like society that she' wanted to be
a part of but she also never left Fall River she could have left but she didn't did she want that again these are weird
people it's like they're just not fun or interesting I don't know I don't know
and like that's also a good point like if this hadn't happened we would never know anything about her and how many
millions of people we know nothing about billions of people because nothing extraordinary happened right but she had
this extraordinary thing happen whether or not she did it which is just I think
crazy do it I don't know she didn't do it I don't know what do you think hold
on I'll get there okay so later in life she does become like good friends with an actress from Boston named dance
O'Neal or New York maybe but it's like a f like an actress and everybody's like it's same same with all time until right
now we're like being an actress was like scandalous and so they think that she used to have n O'Neal come over and have
these parties and in the town kind of frowned on that as well at some point Lizzie and Emma have a falling out and
they don't speak for years um in all of the films they stopped talking because Lizzie tells her that she did it and and
Emma's like like the The 1975 film ends so great like Emma is played by the grandma from who's the boss and Lizzie
comes home and Emma's like Lizzie you have to tell me did you do it and it just like zooms into to Elizabeth Montgomery's face and it's all her face
is very moist the whole time cuz it's so hot and the camera pans around her and they sing the nursery rhyme it's so good
that's awesome and then there's a Christina reaching movie and that one it ends with her having a party and being
like Lizzie is Christina Richi and she's like I she's having this party and her sister I like what are you doing and the
party there's there's music going off and Christina Richi Whispers to her sister or something and her sister's
eyes go wide so she like confesses so the movies are all like she did it I can't believe that Christina play Lizzy
I got to watch that one there's also one with um Chloe 7y and uh Kristen Stewart
that's very very gay I'll tell you more about that theory in a minute too um the
sisters Emma and Lizzy die within nine days of each other um they die in their 60s um Lizzy leaves the largest amount
of money to the Fall River Animal Rescue League which I also was thinking about when you said that about pets in Manchester in the 1960s or whatever cuz
this is like the 1920s and they have an Animal Rescue League in Fall River so there's like some of it um she leaves
money and a trust to care for her father's for all time and Lizzie is buried with her parents in Fall River so
they're buried and like all buried together um so yeah so was it her I don't know
Bill James who popular crime says no most people on the Lizzy board and Forum think yes I'm not sure my whole life I
thought it was her and then this kind of blew my mind because it's like I feel like I thought about it a lot and and maybe she didn't do it she was mad at
her dad he was mean her life was boring maybe it was incest um because and then
it was such like a violent crime because she was was so upset about it um this is
before the man from the train X murders but it is right after Jack the Ripper so there is like violence in the news but
he didn't use an axe like so but trying to think of like you know what was in there um could she have been gay and
been and he like found out and was super upset like some people think she's having affair with the maid which I doubt but or but or like she had a
girlfriend he found out and she's wanted to like live her life um but the big thing is like how could she have gotten clean that seems almost impossible the
only so while you were talking I was thinking the only way I could buy that she did it was like there was a fit of
rage it was not premeditated she cracked them open
and by some fluke of cosmic luck all the blood splatter went everywhere but her
that's the only way I can make it work yeah yeah I mean that technically could
happen because because think think about this way so like here's the possibility so remember Peter curtain the vampire
of yeah so he would do all the scr where he would be killing people out in the
public and go home totally clean and and people be like how is that even possible like he just like learned that like if
you stand a certain in a certain spot that the blood splatter would just like avoid you like whatever he like did the
math and figured out how to do it so like it's possible yeah yeah totally in
the Elizabeth Montgomery movie they have her do it naked and then she just like wases her herself off afterwards but the
chances of that are really like low because I bet she was never naked like
you know like ever like she probably like washed her body part separately out of a bowl you know like she didn't like
like nowadays we get naked all the time because we take a shower but she never did that so I feel like she was probably
like a per Perpetual stew just perpetually changing different parts of her body like never fully naked so it
would be weird that she would do that because also she's like very modest rude yeah so some other suspects are could it
be a stranger someone said that they heard someone come to the door in the morning and Abby let them in um Andrew
had a share of enemies he was like a bad landlord you know that bad but like mean so like you know whatever they could
have hide hid in that hul closet that hall closet was huge so it could have gone to that closet hid and then killed
um Andrew but then also wears the blood yeah I feel like there have to be Footprints and there just weren't any which is so weird um later in life
Lizzie had a nurse and the nurse said that um she told the she confessed to the nurse that she had a boyfriend who
had done it and hid in the closet and they had and but then he like ended up leaving her that was like what happened
um a woman obviously this is crazy had a dream that Emma came to her in her dream and said that she did it that she like
came into town killed her parents and went back to visit friends um people think that the uncle might have done it
his Alibi was perfect and like a suspicious way which is like not fair because he had like a perfect Alibi um
and then think that like also like it could have been Bridget the maid she was mad obviously her life sucked but she
was sick and she she to clean it up you know either way she clean up I don't think she would do it um so yeah that's
it we don't know we don't know who did it it's a crazy mystery because the facts don't really tell us anything and
just like OJ like she got acquitted but there was no like find the real killer figure out what really happened the people were just like she probably did
it but got off cuz she was like a nice Christian woman and people couldn't believe that she had done it OJ's the one who vowed that he would
find the killer though oh great he could just wake up and look at a mirror I don't think he's done much work on that
no he's not out there investigating no taking fingerprints outside the cold house it's great it's interesting how
like one crime can become so iconic like it's a part of culture like this website's hilarious by the way like I I
don't know if you've gone more no I'm not on the Forum I'm on the website for the house and it's so funny they even
have like this section for like can shop and they like have this ghost called Lily the host to ghost stall and it is
terrifying looking and it's like they really the oh God yeah yeah strike like
Lizzie bordon is that a is that like a union
shirt oh my God Miss Elizabeth Miss Elizabeth Miss Elizabeth's finishing school turning girls into sharp young
ladies wait where's the union shirt well it says strike like like Lizzie bordon oh that's funny you know
um yeah I love these guys like if you look at the staff they look like a fun group and they really I mean they're
doing a lot of they got a bloody act for sale like it's oh they look real fun yeah they do they like you'd have a good
time going toana house with them I love them I love them they're all dressed up yeah 100% oh my God Suzanne give your peace sign I [ __ ] love her um yeah I
love it I think it's it's super fun it's so it's just like a crazy story and also this is like a a far farfetch but I've
read the book Middle March a long time ago which is a English novel written
whatever a long time ago but one of the things that um that it ends with a really like a
line that reminded me of this um I'm going to read it but I don't know if it's going to make any sense but for
the growing good of the world is partly dependent on unhistoric Act and the things that are not so ill with you and
me as they might have been is half owing to the number who lived Faithfully a hidden life and rest in unvisited tombs
meaning like if you just do good things and live a normal life no one will ever know but you're contributing to the
Future in like the subtle way that everyone does but when something crazy happens that's when you become like a
part of the Z guys forever and that's what happened to Lizzy yeah makes sense yeah so I'm sure her tomb is very
visited and I definitely want to go and I don't I know but it also like is is it
another [ __ ] random crime someone came to the house and ex murdered that yeah scary yeah the randomness of it
right yeah I don't know I yeah this is a this is a roller
coaster of an episode I know it started with celebrating the death of Pat Robertson and mning the death of Ted
kazinski I know so much has happened in the past a couple hours
um ooh I'm watching that now I'm looking like if video of the boarden house join us to
stay play and for a hauntingly fun time oh was a parking lot in the back now as a bummer that the thing is gone oh you
can buy a buddy axe that's a lot yeah you buy you can buy a bobblehead brick dust file what does that mean I don't
know I I tried to I clicked on the brick dust I thought they would have an explanation of it but they don't I have no idea EMF
detector yeah they're they're having fun they are having fun a
a coin for no reason a mug r a risen grind coffee mug the
cookie cutter is a pair oh no way I haven't gotten there yet that's awesome they're a Fun
Bunch yeah crazy and like you know oh there a Christmas ornament that's that's what I like to get when I go on vacation
I like to get Christmas ornaments to remember where I've been so I definitely get that when I go there yeah oh Li the
Honda doll don't love her don't love the doll George from the ghost love love him CBD
coffee cookie cutters a pair anyway anyway how what a fun story I don't know
it's fun it's scary it's very of the time you know a a woman who has to what
a [ __ ] terrible life what a terrible life so boring it sounds so boring it's
like um I would have killed them just for the excitement of killing someone what an exciting exciting thing that
happened you have life in the nice house and have actors over you know all of that all of that sounds good but her dad
would have died soon anyway he was like in his 60s so I don't I don't know I don't know such as life Taylor we are a
little over our time oh yes I got to take a shower and
do things I gotta go I don't know what I'm going to do with Joe I guess go for a walk or something but oh my God
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