🎧 Today, we revisit the disturbing and tragic story of the Moors Murders, a series of heinous crimes that horrified the UK in the 1960s. Join us as we explore the twisted minds of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, the harrowing investigation, and the enduring impact on the victims' families. Prepare for a deep and thoughtful examination of one of history's most chilling true crime cases. 🌑🕵️♂️ #TrueCrime #MoorsMurders #PodcastEpisode #IanBrady #MyraHindley #CrimeHistory #TrueCrimeCommunity #HistoricalCrimes #JusticeForVictims #HistoryPodcast
🎧 Today, we revisit the disturbing and tragic story of the Moors Murders, a series of heinous crimes that horrified the UK in the 1960s. Join us as we explore the twisted minds of Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, the harrowing investigation, and the enduring impact on the victims' families. Prepare for a deep and thoughtful examination of one of history's most chilling true crime cases. 🌑🕵️♂️
#TrueCrime #MoorsMurders #PodcastEpisode #IanBrady #MyraHindley #CrimeHistory #TrueCrimeCommunity #HistoricalCrimes #JusticeForVictims #HistoryPodcast
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
hi friends Taylor from doomed to fail today's re-release is episode 24 part two the Moors murders so these murders
happened over in the UK in the 1960s and it's a terrible story as all these true crime stories are um in Brady and Myra
Henley just drove around and and picked Folks up to to murder and abuse and it
is a classic True Crime Story now these days and a terrible story for weekend so
if you want to revisit this with us please do we only have four more episodes to re-release for you so um
four more episodes coming soon and then we'll we'll be in our regular two times
a week schedule so thank you for listening please tell your friends if you have any questions or um ideas let
us know we're at Doom toil pod gmail.com a matter of the people of State of California versus orth James Simpson
case number ba09 and so my fellow Americans and
not what your country can do for you ask what you can do for your
[Music] country record this computer recording is in progress and we're alive woohoo so
yeah okay let's get started welcome to I don't need to clap welcome to Doom to fail the red flaggy podcast where we
explore a historic and true crime story about red flags that we're being ignored I'm Forest joined here by Taylor hi
Taylor hi we don't have to like super rush I'm fine so aren't you what are you doing
after this you're doing a recital no I'm going to Palm Springs for a draag drag queen bingo with girls cows but it
doesn't start until 1 and we're totally fine so I don't have to leave for like
two hours so it was fine if Fox News heard you were doing
that you'd be the most famous woman in history of America I Love the Girl
Scouts the Girl Scouts are very Progressive like they have in their pledge but they're like you don't have to say it it's no big deal like they are
so super cool with it the Boy Scouts are like you can be any religion as long as you're a religion you're like what it's
really gross actually the best it's real gross yeah um do we want to share the
amazing news that happened this week with our listeners what happened Pat Robertson
died oh God I know how [ __ ] awesome the world literally got a little bit
brighter just like a little bit better God what a [ __ ] [ __ ] I know I'm so
I said this on my Instagram but you know for me it's such a bummer that like there I feel like when you
die it just like lights out and there's no like realization but I wish there was like but also like did he really believe
that [ __ ] I don't know what piece of [ __ ] he's wanted to steal money from people hold on I'm looking up my
favorite Pat Robertson quotes about feminists abortionists and gays that we did 911 ah
the gays are the ones that did 911 that's what it was 911 it was so gay what a gay day
yeah God what a scumbag because because the influence it's not that like okay
one person having that much of an outsized influence on like dude like so much of like the the
shitty things about our society is because people listen to him I know I know he goes okay so here's what he said
he goes this is Pat Robertson's quote I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the
gays and the lesbians who were actively trying to make that an altern alternative lifestyle the ACLU people
for the American way all of them who have tried to secularize America I point the finger in their face and say you
helped this happen you talking about 911 ACLU I mean
like I do feel like the ACLU waste money because I donated $20 like 10 years ago and they sent me a letter every single
so I'm like there's no way that the amount of mail you've sent me costs less than $20 but and then then you have
people all now all the Republicans out there or whatever being like we don't
want any diversity we don't want any like other Lifestyles besides our own
which sucks H do you know what um David chel does that I think is like really
funny is he will donate a dollar to Republican candidates and then have them
spend all their money mailing him letters asking for more money which kind of funny what all those K-pop fans
bought all the tickets to Donald Trump's event yes they were free tickets but they like reserved all of them they
thought thousands of people were coming and like not thousands of people were coming so good so good glad glad Pat
Robinson is is dead yes yes the world is a much better place cool let's go ahead
and Dive Right In so who goes first today I believe you do I do okay and
okay so I didn't I forgot to think about what my drink was going to be but I think I have one you want to give me
yours first yeah um my drink is like old milk like imagine that it's hot and the
milk has not been in the fridge for a while kind of sounds good ew no it doesn't it's going to make you sick mix
with some sugar you know beat the C birs up with some sugar oh my God I W throw up no okay I am going with a beer that I
never find but I was in love with when I was living in Florida bodington it is a Manchester beer you
said that before wait did I do oh my god I've done Manchester before haven't I yes because you know why I know that I
have at one point I was like oh I'm going to write down a list of what what the drinks are and I only wrote down one thing and the one thing I wrote down was
bodington I think I even have it right now here yeah January 21st boddington's Brewery and man Cher Taylor is holding
up her her diary to show me this that's incredible Taylor I'm going to I'm going to write today's date as
well just write times two and then for today's dat I have I have his whole page
for times that you mentioned bodington so Road I love bodington it's so good and it's so hard to find I don't know
why it's so hard to find but hard to find it's delicious so I am I picked
bodington because my story I guess like the last one is based in the UK it's
based in Manchester so God I'm so it's weird I totally
forgot I did that other story that was in Manchester yeah memory memory is a can you do the whole thing in a
Manchester accent I don't know what a Manchester accent is I don't either I feel like I want to go a little bit
Boston be like Manchester that's not yeah yeah the pro the problem is that if
you don't nail it you just sound stupid that's the issue so I'm actually going
to go a bit historic with this one so I'm going to do a really really old timey one it's a super super famous one
it's a super famous crime that happened about 60 years ago in Manchester uh
despite how famous it is I really didn't know much about it I don't know how much you know about it but I'm going to be discussing the more murders with Ian
Brady and Myra Henley are you aware of these guys a little bit I feel like I know weird stuff about Myra Henley later
in life if she's still alive no no no she died a long time ago in like 2005 or something okay um I know a
little bit tell me more yeah so you probably know because I know we again we have the
exact same podcast diet so like you probably also listen to the Fred and Rose West episode on last podcast and
Rose West ended up in like a sexual relationship at one point with Myra because they were the two most yeah they
were the two most notorious women in UK history anda's like blonde right or
like she was into that um yes that's that's the thing that happened later in
life that I remembered okay exactly exactly so she was not blonde naturally
but every photo you find of her she is blonde but I'll explain why that was here no one really is yeah yeah yeah I'll explain why that why that is I'm
going to meute my phone so people can not hear that and I'll continue on so we're going to start with our main
antagonist of the story wait yeah antagon is bad protagonist is good yeah
yeah they're antagonists they're not good people so okay Taylor per usual I'm going to go ahead
and just say that we are probably going to disagree on a lot of things here I am going to air on the side that I thought
Myra was a complete and absolute monster and Society seems to think that like she
was just some poor put-upon girl and Ian kind of rued her and it's
like it's a crazy crazy whatever you tell me what you think about it when we get to it but we're going to start with
our our story with Ian Brady so Ian was born in Glasgow Scotland in 1938 he was raised by his mother and
pretty much didn't know who his father was at all he was a pretty precocious child and he was considered above
average intelligence so he was accepted into a gifted school that was called sha lands Academy he would do these like stupid
Petty crimes like stealing things here and there and ultimately at 15 years old he ended up leaving and starting to work
in various odd jobs I guess like back then I mean yeah it makes sense right like nine-year-olds were Chim manyy
sweep so I guess you're at 15 you just retire out of school and just start working makes I mean that's what you do
in oldtime England I guess yeah there's like either you you go you go to like University if you're rich other than that you just like get a job in the coal
mine Su mine I would have been a great chimy sweep I think that would have been so fun with a page Boy hat I'd wear a
vest and I have a pocket watch already so I could wear the pocket watch and the vest and a page Boy hat and do a little chimney thing well that's definitely
something you would have had to do when you're a child because you're way too big now to do that you think I'm too big yes I don't know I've never been in a
chimney but I feel like you're very broad you're broader than a chimney but also I have no idea sweet I think that's
sweet thank you you no longer have the body of a nine-year-old boy so Fu damn
it these opportunities are are ruined for me uh so ultimately at some point uh
Ian would end up moving back in with his mom and at that point she will have left
glasow for Manchester England and picked up a new life there again he would just keep doing these stupid Petty crimes and
keep getting locked up over and over again at around 19 years old he's released from jail he was apparently
there for a couple of years apparently he he got like he had bad treatment in jail like he was he got the [ __ ] kicked
out ofil he s little kid right and um and he decided when he got released from
jaela okay that's it I'm going to button up I'm going to go on the straight and arrow I'm going to I'm going to figure
my life out this is going to jail and doing these Petty crimes that is not the route for me and soly bad at it if he
keeps going to jail um I don't know if I committed crimes when I was 15 I probably go to jail too I bet I can get away with a lot of crimes now like what
should I do should I embezzle something what bet bet that I can embezzle a billion a million dollars yes remember
when I put that posted on your desk that said Todo plan murders commit murders I do remember that I had a pict
of that somewhere um okay so we we'll hold on the ab of the murder part uh so
he taught himself how to do what's called um it's they call it bookkeeping which I think just means accounting
right yeah yeah so he selftaught himself bookkeeping he would study at the library and do all this again he was a
really precocious kid he would read a lot and all that stuff and ultimately he ended up getting this job at some random Chemical Company doing their accounting
work he would be really into Nazi St St
so so you know it's funny because wait is is post Nazi this is post World War
II right this is right after World War II okay they they just lost but it's still well okay but but so okay so at
this point when I was researching this I was like okay yeah obviously like World War II ended like five six seven years
ago and you're in England who was just carpet bombed by Nazis so you probably
have some fascination with who were these people what was all like I understood it at this point more of like
um he's a historical dude who wants to know what happened not like he likes
Nazis later on going back to the blonde hair thing with Myra my op changed gr gr
gr gr gr so there was one other thing that I
couldn't verify because multiple sources said different things about this multiple sources would say either he did
or he didn't torture and kill a ton of cats and dogs at this time when he was a kid I'm leaning towards no and I'm
actually basing that off of what Ian himself said because later on we'll find out that he was pretty vocal about
everything else it was kind of it was kind of like when Jeffrey dmer was caught and they were like did you do this one he's like no I I mean I told
you everything I would have told you if I did that one like why why would I lie to I have I have no more secrets yeah
exactly exactly so like in this case Ian's the one who's like no I like love the animals like I never would have
heard of animal and everybody else was like no he was a seral killer who like killed all these dogs and did all it's
like you probably didn't we probably you probably just made that up because you're like we have to have some pattern
here yeah I don't know that's yeah or maybe he like killed a dog but like an oldtime UA you know like you didn't like
take your dog to the vet to be put down yeah yeah you just hit it with a rock until all di you know what's funny
is um is Luna's sleeping right there uh Luna we're not going to kill you you're we're not killing Luna so okay tell tell
me if I'm wrong about this so Joe our friend Joe kti is here visiting Austin
incredible known each other like at this point this configuration people have known each other for like 10 11 years um
and Joe shows up and he's like I'm going to take him out we're g to go out in East Austin if you're in Austin we're
going to go to Kitty Cohen if you're familiar with that and then laali and Joe is like my only request is don't
bring your dog you shouldn't bring your dog we're going out when have a good time don't bring your dog and I was like
there's no chance I'm not bringing my dog like why why on Earth would I go out and not bring it makes everything in
Austin's outside everybody brings their dogs like why would I not and like it just blew his mind that I would bring my dog and it's like no of course I like
and I did and I did it was a great time and she socialized and she had a great time it was it was really fun but I do
think that now we INF fantasize dogs in a way that they probably didn't when Ian
was growing up in England and so he probably did just bash a dog's head in with a baseball bat so exactly that's
what that's that's exactly what I was thinking like it's it's different it's different it's definitely different M
that was the most longwinded way of just circling back to he just cracked a dog's skull open at some point so we are going
on to so that's our wrap up of Ian Brady just generally speaking smart
precocious might be crazy might not don't don't sometimes the [ __ ] up yeah yeah Myra is our second person in this
equation and she was actually born in Manchester or just outside of in the little town in 19 in 1942 so that would make her four
years younger than Ian it sounds like her childhood was mostly just punctuated with abuse and
general poverty her dad sounds like he was like a military bro and kind of expected my to be super super tough and
just like Agro and all that you know it's interesting because
like psychologist after the fact would say that the way her dad treated her or told her how to treat others
made her um desensitized to violence and emotionally distant and this stuff but
like really all it was was like Hey if someone hits you you hit him back twice as hard like it was one of those like
that's what it actually read like it wasn't like uh like anytime you're upset
react to it aggressively with violence like that's not what it was it was it don't don't be a a stepping whatever
what's the word uh dorat dmat thank you um I feel like
have you seen the stuff that arold Schwarzenegger has been saying lately about his dad no um because he's pretty
much like my dad was like a Nazi because it was that time and he came home and he was a terrible terrible broken person
and he like be the sh out of us and was an alcoholic because of the trauma that he went through so you know he was like
he's like his caution to America is like stop being [ __ ] because you're going to ruin generations of people you know
with with this like anger and this hate like no matter what happens like in in the worst case which is like World War
II and concentration camps and all those things or like best case like you have these like lives that are just like horrible and like abusive and everyone's
angry so even on like the you know English side where they won like the trauma that those dads went through and
they had to like come home and like even on our side too like my my great grandma had three brothers who went to World War
II um came home never did anything else they were they were PTSD till the end of
their lives they lived in in her mom's attic they called him the three Kings they just hung out in the Attic because what they saw was so awful they couldn't
do anything else that's wild you know so coming home from that like one thing
that that that I've learned a lot of recently is um ketamine treatment so apparently in Austin there's a lot of these ketamine clinics that apparently
are really really good for working through does your shirt say future corpse it
does ridiculous so ridiculous anyways also your story there
just reminded me of that one scene in um oh God Schindler's List where they're
burning the piles of body at alwiz and that one Nazi Soldier takes his hat off and just starts screaming in the into
the sky because like I don't know it feels like as a human you know when everything's wrong even if you're a Nazi
I know I me and I mean so many of them had to be I mean they're all bad 100% but some of some they were on so much
meth and so many drugs and so drunk and all these things to be able to do those inhuman things yeah wild wild [ __ ] sorry
okay going back to Future corpse that's an awesome shirt we should make I would I'm GNA figure out when you bought that
and buy that shirt it's from a a woman her her Instagram is the good death she writes she's a former mortician and she
has a YouTube channel called askam mortician and she wrote a great book called when smoke is in your eyes and it's about death and what happens to
bodies and it made me feel fine made me feel much better about death it's
Caitlyn doy at the good death so holl Caitlyn and get some shirts cuz that is
awesome yeah okay back to Myra okay overall that's basically her
childhood poverty dad is kind of an abusive [ __ ] but also he wants her to stick up for herself she develops like a
knack being kind of like a tough girl but that's mostly yet um she was mostly normal like everybody who knew her
thought she was well-liked and cool and there was no nothing wrong with her basically at this
point so and and that's the part of it that annoys me later on when people were like like it was all that did this like
dude like I don't know how many girls I've been with but none of them could ever have convinced me to like kill
somebody like nobody's that Charming right yeah okay so at 18 years old so um
or when M was 18 years old she finally meets Ian for the first time at that chemical company that Ian was a bookkeeper for Ian would have been like
22 to 23 give or take at this time he would eventually ask her out on
a date and they would start going out together um it was weird like the Wikipedia article on this said that like
they would just go to x-rated movies and then go back to his apartment like it was like what like that was your
date so gross it's a weird that's a weird first date yeah that's later if you're like
this is our Jam then do whatever you want but if it's your first date I feel like you should go off ice cream but I
don't know I feel like it needs to be like 3 years in a dating when it's like let's just start casually every Friday
going to an x-ray theater like it's like what but it sounded like this was almost like close to the very beginning it's
like they would just go to these movies together uh and this is where the Nazi
thing comes back into effect because Ian would constantly talk to Myra about Nazis and like that's where like it
flipped for me which is like this is probably more January 6th than just
inent history type of a thing and then like you mentioned earlier so the the very first photo if
you look up if you Google Myra Henley the very first photo of her is blonde hair like Crimson deep red lipstick is
what shows up it's going to be black and white you don't know it but it's going to be crimson red and dude she was a
brunette like she wasn't born that way like she she did this for Ian because I guess like nothing
specifically said about he had this like obsession with like the Aryan
concept and I guess Myra really liked him a lot and
wanted him to be impressed with her and so she wanted to look more traditionally Aryan so she did this to herself so such
as like yeah one statement that Myra would later say when she was um after
she' been incarcerated or whatever she said that Ian could have told her anything this is a quote that the Earth
was flat that the moon was made of green cheese that the sun rose in the west and I would have believed him like that's
what I guess like type of person like apparently Ian was really really Charming like other people would also say this about him like he
had that Psychopathic thing where he would just grip your attention and make you want to like just follow him wherever he
went so one thing I wrote here was like again nobody would ever convinced me
that I've never liked anybody enough I mean I don't know maybe I've never liked anybody enough that's what it is I've never met anybody that I liked enough
who asked me to kill somebody that I would maybe I will one day but I haven't yet yeah I don't know if I would
I feel like if he or if Juan told you to like kill your neighbor right now would you do it no okay I don't want to go to
jail and I have children to take care of if Juan said he was going to kill the neighbor but you have to help bury the
body would you do it I don't think I don't know I mean I I feel like then
potentially I'd be scared a slippy slope I'd be scared you know starts this is
exactly how it starts like I'd be very afraid yeah like like object objectivity still exists
like whether like okay I'm in love with this person they're amazing they're great whatever they's still objective TR
and objectively it is wrong to do these the things that these people end up doing and like people later on are like poor me poor me it's like no not poor
Meer like she still had objective reality to contend with yeah was he abusing her yeah of yeah mean this is 1950s
England like punching the woman in the face was just like normal discourse like that was
not like I mean I would not say they had an abusive relationship outside of like whatever
was normal then which isn't bad yeah today would be an abusive relationship back then it was like he just loves me that much you know one well that's
that's part of it too I feel like right right so yeah they actually had like part of
the relationship was also like just like they started veering into like stuff that me and you like to talk about which is like a lot of True Crime Gore stuff
like I actually think they would have been fans of our show if they were so alive because they sort like they would go to like the library and just
constantly check out books and they oh man I didn't write it down what's that what's that the marquad book
ah I don't know I'm gonna look it up 120 days of sad I think it's called it's a
crazy int they made a movie about that it is a crazy intense like torture porn book 120 days of Sodom yep there it is
yeah and it's a movie too it's super graphic like I don't I wouldn't really recommend anybody watching it it's very
torture and like sexual it's it's gross but that's the
kind of things they into they would constantly check out books on stuff like that or other True Crime uh books that
they would constantly be digesting involved in so that's why I thought like hey maybe they' be our fans I don't know
yeah and all that again it's fine as long as you don't actually murder people I know that's the part of it where it
gets tough is like it's like you wonder because like me and you consume this kind of media and I mean we're totally
innocent like it's not it's not those things that make it bad it's the events
that happen afterwards that make it like bad and on those events so I'm going to
read out what these guys did and it's going to be a little bit numb because it
happens so much it's like who gives a [ __ ] like murdered this kid killed that
kid raped that it's like it happened so much that it's almost like just it's meaningless so sorry if it comes across
that way obviously people's lives mattered but whatever like it happened forever ago and they just did this a lot
so in 1963 this would be two years after they started dating D Ian got obsessed
with Leopold and L remember that case yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so for those that don't know this was about
like basically two American dandies who thought that they were swor enough to commit the perfect crime and they were
obviously caught and arrested yeah they were not they were caught very quickly very quickly Ian and Myra um at this
time moved into Myra's grandmother's house which is awesome that's a really cool thing to do when you're a man in
your mid 20s to live with your girlfriend's grandmother and Ian at this point he literally learned
nothing from his obsession with the Leopold and L case so the entire premise of it was like if
you are of a certain level of intelligence you can outsmart cops you can outsmart everybody else and that's
that wasn't true in in the they very much did not do that yeah they did the opposite they got and sentence to death
immediately um Ian thought that he could do better than them so he literally learned nothing he was like I hear you I
see you I can do better than this he wanted to the perfect murder huh how much crime is that you know people being
like oh yeah that guy got caught but I totally wouldn't get caught yeah it's probably it's probably
yeah I mean it's a competition thing at that point it's like it's like a sport at that point so he decided he's going to commit
this perfect crime and and he starts kind of figuring out like how Myra can get involved in this like again like I I
don't know how she like she seems so bought into anything he said it just felt like it was a natural progression
they would end up in this position uh in this case Myra was kind of central to
what ends up happening which is why I don't find her as like this victimless or blameless person she was a key
component of this so Ian tells Myer that he has a plan they're going to run a van
and my's going to drive around town Ian's going to follow her in a motorcycle and when he sees someone that
he wants to abduct he's going to flash the lights at her and she could pull
over and ask the victim if they want to take a ride so that's a weird ask yeah
yeah it's I don't know where you find these people so in July 1963 they put this in action and they
end up kidnapping a 16-year-old classmate of Myra's sister a girl named Pauline Reed this is the very first one
so so Myra pulls over offers her a ride and then she says yes gets in the vehicle because she recognizes her she
knew right why wouldn't she yeah and Myra says hey I got to take a d
where I want help finding this glove like some luxury beautiful glove I have I lost it and I need help finding it and
the girl's like okay fine I'll help and so they take her to Ian and Myra's
home Ian then somehow convinces Pauline
to go into the Moors and look for this luxury beautiful glove they have and he
ends up coming back alone that's Myra's story bra or Ian's going to say
something a little bit different but that's the story that we're going to run with for now he we know for a fact ultimately based on confessions that he
would he when he took her back there he raped her and then stabbed her badly enough to almost decapitate or like he
pulled an OJ like it was one of those things oh my God and Ian would claim that Meer was actually
there the entire time she took part in the sexual assault she took part in the stabbing and that's not the story that
Myra tells and I don't know who to believe they they're both comebacks so who's to say right again this it's just
going to keep rolling on five months later they offered a ride to a 12-year-old named John
kride they again say they have to go searching for something and this time uh
they say they got to go directly to the Moore instead of the house and once they get there Ian takes John out of the car
again sexually assaults him and slits his throat it's it's just like it's so sterilized the way I'm praising it but
it just happens over and over how many different ways can you say raped and like it's just the same thing over and
over again how big how big is the Moore you know what Taylor I was gonna ask you if you knew what a Moore is I do know
what a Moore is do you know what a Moore is I I Googled it so I know what a Moore is
why did you tell us what a more is it is like a big expanse of Rolling Green
Hills yeah that's yeah you nail it's like Scottish land you'd imagine I think
of more I think of um in weathering Heights there's a lot of Moors Heath Cliff always runs across
the Moore looking for for her and then also I bet it's very foggy cuz my sister
studied abroad in Brighton and my brother and I went to visit her and every morning we would go on a fog walk
cuz it was so foggy him and I would go out to like just like the field that like the um they would like play soccer
in or whatever but we would be 3et apart and couldn't see each other it's crazy so we would like yell like fog walk and
like run and it was really fun but um I don't know I imagine it was foggy too yeah yeah of course singland right yeah
it's so the legal definition for more is a tract of open uncultivated
Upland so it's like to me I was just like it's kind of like a wetter version of Joshua Tree kind of what it feels like yeah so that's what it is and
people get murdered in Joshua Tree and disappear in there all the time so that actually gives me context you you and
one just taking out your neighbors left and right I mean several hikers a year disappear um they probably just get lost
and die they get lost yeah they for sure get lost um so okay so we're at John
kride so 7even months after he's been killed and disposed of in the mors Myra comes across a 12-year-old named Keith
Bennett she asked him to help load stuff into her vehicle very Ted bundes and
then offers to take him home after which she does or she says she's going to do they end getting in the car and this is
the part of it where like I'm like dude she's not just some poor put upon woman like I'm not maybe I'm sexist towards
myself but like if a man asks me for help I'm not I'm not even going to slow down my walk to offer to help some
random strange man but if a girl asks me for help it's like oh okay like sure like there's a trust there yeah you
don't have with a strange man I think that that's I think that's I think that's definitely true that like a woman
would would I think that's why like Ian and other people have had women partners
in crime like this because it's easier to get a a kid in a van if a woman asks them I that's definitely true I also
think that Ted Bundy would have 100% murdered me because I would have definitely helped him if he he's not that goodlooking like I didn't even care
I would have helped him he would have been like hey can you help me have this thing I'd be like oh sure no problem like it wouldn't have crossed my mind probably still help him today and then
then I'd be dead and I'd be like [ __ ] I knew this was going to happen but I did it anyway that's why you don't help anybody like I know that sounds really
meane but it's like dude like everybody's out to get you it's not not the answer it's not the thoughts of a
broken man um so going back to Keith so
she Myra ends up taking Keith to the H her home her and Ian's home and Ian
asked him to go help find which is the Grandma's home the Grandma's home who's not home apparently uh and again Ian
asked her to go or asked him to go help him find this beautiful glove he lost in
the mo there he again sexually assaults Keith and stringles him to death next
was Leslie and Downey this would have been seven months after Keith so they actually have like kind of like a pretty protracted you know cool off period it's
people in town like something's happening so
later everything gets pinned on these guys because like this was not the only
these were not the only kids going missing like there was like a lot of kids going they're probably all just dying sweeping chimneys and it's like
their bodies were never found but like a lot of kids were going missing and I'll discuss this later on because police are
like wait a minute we had these people who just keep killing children and we just got arrested them there's like
another 30 missing kids maybe they killed all these we don't know but they didn't really draw that distinction
themselves until they were caught so we're seven months after Keith I were
shopping and they noticed a girl a 10-year-old Leslie and Downing they
dropped their bags in front of her and asked her to help she's like sure I'll help because she's 10 right yeah I know
and they're like okay thanks for helping can you help get this in our car she's like Okay and like can you help get us
in this in our house and like okay and so she's like it's so [ __ ] up dude like using the trust the inherent trust
that a child puts in people against them like it's so whatever and that we said this before like that's what you tell
kids you tell kids like a grown-up does not need your help yeah like if a grownup is asking for help like you say
no like be polite like whatever but like don't help them like grownup doesn't need your help they can find another grownup they can use they can call
someone like that's a big thing task rabbit they have task rabbit grownups have task rabbits yeah so need a
10-year-old to help them move something so they take Leslie to their house and while they're at the house
they do the normal thing Ian rapes strangles Leslie and then they take her body out to the mor to get buried
there's a lot more to this it's just like why even bother going to the details like they do they they bury them or do they just leave them no they
buried them okay there's a lot of more detail but again I just mentally I don't
want to go into it it's like yes they took pictures of her yes she screamed and they like all all the gross stuff
you would imagine happen but it's like dude it happened like [ __ ] 20 times I'm not going to keep talking about every single one of them so just use
your imagination so two months later came Edward Evans Ian asked Myra to take
him to a railway station to look for a victim and Ian ended up finding Edward
who was 17 years old so he's a a bigger human that these 10 yearolds and 12year olds are taking he's he's out of the
chimney sweep business cuz he out of the chimney sweep yep yep R shoulders so Ian apparently told Edward that he was like
this was a hookup like Ian was like I'm gay you're gay this woman with me is my
sister we live together she's going to take us home that's that was his conversation with Edward so Edward goes
with them I did not bring this up earlier but Myra's sister her I I
brought up Myra's sister before her name is Moren Moren was married to a guy named David Smith okay and David Smith
Moren and Myra and Ian live really close to each other for some reason David was also
obsessed with Ian and also thought he was the coolest guy in the world and also thought like all these great things about him appar again like this guy had
like weird influence over people around him that's weird and and Ian F Ian
thought that he had a kindred spirit in David which he did not he did not have a kindred spirit but he thought he did and
so this night that they bring Edward home David or um sorry Ian tells Myra to
go over to Moren and David's house and to bring David over and to like tell him what to do so she does this she goes to
David and says come over David comes over but it's like staying outside of the house until I give you a signal then
come now on the door I I no idea why I I literally have no idea why this plan
played out the way it did it sounded incredibly over complicated and stupid so at at some point they flicker the
lights and David goes and knocks on the door and then Ian opens the door and pretends like he doesn't really know him
and says oh so you're here to collect your wine I again no idea why this plan
this sounds like such a stoner plan just over complicated for no reason David
plays along and then Ian walks him into the kitchen and says Let me Go fetch your wine and leaves David in the
kitchen then David describes hearing some insane screamy just over and over
again like he said it was like a woman shrieking and he Myra rushes into the kitchen and says David go help him out
they really overestimated David's interest in what their lifestyle was David goes in and sees that Ed is on top
of Edward he's holding a hatchet just budgeting the [ __ ] out of Ian's face with this Hatchet oh my God and
obviously after being blown in the head enough he's like sufficiently subdued so Ian rolls him over and strangles him to
death with an electrical cord while David is standing there they didn't kill him yeah well they didn't kill David no
they killed Edward no but I mean like hitting you in the head with an accident kill him no no
apparently you had to strangle him yeah your skull's pretty hard yeah your SK take a lot of damage trust me so after all of this
after all this um David is like this was awesome I'm so glad you invited me over
I'm totally coming back later and helping you dig up [ __ ] grave to move this kid's body into dav's like awesome
loved it this is great I'm gonna go home and I'll come back tomorrow yeah that's
like I yeah that's that's weird like yes it might be like a smidge surreal but like that's weird little bit weird
little bit weird what's not weird is what happened after which is David going home immediately telling Morin what he
just witnessed vomiting like just randomly vomiting
Andes the events again I was like I read this like why did Ian think David would
be this like chill dude and have like a great time doing this it did not play out that way
so David the next morning he waited until the morning it was like 6:30 4:00 in the morning or 6:30 5:00 or some
whatever he ended up calling the police and told them hey I have a story to tell y'all the police show up at their house
and pick him up and take him to the police station he basically confesses about everything what he just witnessed the finally yeah yeah exactly
so the police would go to Ian and Myra's house and say they need to look around
because oh I'm sorry stop yeah stop I just got a news update from The New York Times Ted kazinski just died no at 81 no
way breaking news whoa he had his
[Laughter] all right that's sad actually I know poor
guy honestly he just wanted his his spoiled milk he was given so much [ __ ]
did you ever watch my pretty face going to hell the um the unibomber episode no
oh my God they they roasted Ted kazin it was so funny because it's it's Henry
right it's Henry zosi and it was oh so good um so anyways Z hul check it out uh
going back so the police show over the house and say they heard that a gun went off last night and they're just
investigating to see what was going on they look around and Myra lets them in into the house eventually they see that
there's a door locked to the guest bedroom and the police are like where's the key to this we need to go inside this room that's where Edward's body was
my was like the room the the key to the room is at my work like cool we'll take you to your work Ian looks over was like
just give give him the key like it's over like just give him the key so she gives a key the please find the body so
so obviously they ena's arrested immediately Myra is not arrested immediately it took 4 days before police
finally arrested her as an accessory to murder until he actually knew how involved she really was once she was
arrested police started finding these little artifacts that like serial killers tend to keep so they found for
example like a notebook with John KB's um name and information on there they found naked pictures that they had taken
with Leslie they found audio recording of Leslie's torture and
again like police knew that these were missing kids so when they see the names it's
like what like there's a pattern forming
right because at this time nobody knows what a serial killer is like this is like the 1960s like nobody know that's the concept doesn't even exist yet so
police start talking to neighbors and asking about Ian am Myra and what they like to do one of their neighbors mentioned that they would frequently go
to this one specific site in the Moors and police started looking there and there they found an armed protruding
from the Moors from the dirt and that would have been Leslie Downey's arm the
10-year-old so they keep digging they keep uncovering more bodies one thing
they did that I kind of found interesting was that they would often times take pictures when they were in
the Moors and they had a dog called puppet and this dog was like a puppy at certain points and grew up police had a
hard time knowing like when what what timelines this all happening like they knew that okay this kid went missing at
this time there's a picture them in the Moors of this time like what did they overlap they didn't know so they had a
vet basically apply General anesthetics this dog to like do some dating based on its teeth or gum work or whatever to get
a sense like how old the dog was to back date when these were taken yeah ultimately the anesthetic they use
ended up King the dog they overdid it but whatever that's kind of what one of the things they ended up doing po dos I'll blast
victim so they uncovered a couple of these bodies no help from or Myra at all
both of them pled not guilty and Ian was ultimately found guilty of three of the murders and Myra was found guilty of two
of the murderers so like they haven't found all the bodies yet they just like found what they found and they started Prosecuting them so they're obviously
sentenced to life in prison and during this time police would start looking into other murders of children that
happen or not missing children like not murders but missing children that happened in around Manchester we don't know how many people
these guys killed like they could have killed my God so many more because they
never confirmed other murders they would just kind of say like
ah God maybe we did that one I don't know they weren't sure there so many yeah and she would tell them that like
hey if you take me on the Moors I could probably find like I could probably guess like where a couple more bodies are and they would ultimately do this so
they ended up taking uh her body her uh taking Myra out into the Moors and they
just it was crazy like because they were so sure every he was going to kill her they had like 200 comps with them they
had like helicopter protection they had like aircraft like anti aircraft stuff with it was crazy she ended up not
finding anything uh any of the bodies and so there people were like this is a waste of time you shouldn't have done this
so she just want to go for a walk yeah she she probably just want to go for a walk it's kind it's kind of like
Henry what is his name Henry Lee Lucas Lucas yeah one of those yeah who just wanted to be out and get free cigarettes
yeah so Myra ultimately would confess the murder of Pauline Reed that was the
first girl 16-year-old um and she wasn't convicted of that one originally so after she's been convicted she's in life
of jealous she finally confesses that police told Ian that Myra confessed this
he couldn't believe her and he said fine I'll confess to everything I've done if
you give me the opportunity to kill myself after so he was on the suicide
train yeah I'm not gonna do that of course that was a nogo that wasn't going to happen you know what's crazy I I just
realized this Ian almost outlived Myra by 20 years the the guy who wanted to
off himself more than anybody else in human history was almost 80 years old when he finally died naturally of
natural class crazy so again like this is the point where
Myra starts getting all the sympathy from people and they think that like she was forced
to do this with Ian Ian did not get any sympathy at all obviously he was a complete monster and was basically like
legally diagnosed as a psychopath that meant that he was moved from prison to a psychiatric hospital so they they really
don't do like the psych stuff that we do here in the US over there apparently because once he's deemed uh once he's
deemed insane and a psychopath he is not legally allowed to refuse medical
treatment for his mental health issues that's important because he keeps trying
to kill himself because he because he's he starts to try and starve himself to death but legally he can't because food
is part of like his mental health treatment and so wow they force feed him so he starts petitioning the government
to deem him sane to go to prison so he can find other ways to kill himself including starving himself to death he's
not successful obviously in this he ended up dying uh in actually pretty recently it was 2017 he was 79 years old
wow longest serving prisoner in England's history wow yeah yeah uh again
I'm going to be annoyed at Myra and her time in jail so she would file endless appeals and again with the sympathy
people put on her so they Lobby to get her life sentence reduced to 25 years which they did then later on politicians
like nah that's not long enough doe 30 years so they increased it to 30 years she lobbied herself to get her prison
classification reduced so that she could pursue a relationship with the warden of the prison
which she did so she got her classification from an a prisoner which is like the highest security to like a b prisoner which was like less so that she
can go on walks with the prison Warden and like have sexual a sexual relationship with her
basically and the one thing I would say is like the only people that struck me as completely say in this case were
actually the people who they victimized the parents of the people they victimize so my sister Moren ultimately would die
before Myra ended up dying and the parents of John kilbright attended the funeral attended moren's funeral
just in case Myra intended it so that they could strangle her and try to kill her and what's funny is somebody else
was there that looked kind of like Myra and the dad attacked and like started battering this poor woman who had
nothing to do with anything and P P offer but anyways yeah I get that though
that's that's basically the story she ended up dying in 2005 I think it was I read the exact date down but she was 16
years old so so crazy that they lived to like see the internet in like 911 dude
it's crazy wild you know see all those gays start 911 [ __ ] Pat Robertson so anyways uh
again like there's a lot of details to the story that it's just like God it's just so gross like it's so gross it's like why I even it's even fun to talk
about yeah you know like at least Jeffrey dmer stuff like it's fun to talk about some of that stuff with this like
it's just like a bunch of 10-year-olds man likew awful thing and like just and kind of like taking advantage of the
time I guess like no one really was paying attention you know or like kids could just disappear or die in a chimney
and you would never [ __ ] know it's all about the chimney that's terrible so that's my
story tayor oh gross thank you for sharing as a future corpse um and who is
drinking hurdled milk what are you going to be discussing oh my God it's so gross I know I said it but I still think it's
gross okay [Music]
English (auto-generated)