I feel like glee is one of the most 'you had to be there' shows on TV? It's FULL of 2010s pop songs, remixes, and awkwardly improbable teenager shenanigans. Today we'll talk about the premise of the show (really, just kids forced to be in a glee club) and some of the early deaths of three of glee's main characters. In 2013 Cory Monteith died of a drug overdose, in 2018 Mark Salling died by suic*de after horrible things came to light, and in 2020, Naya Rivera drowned while boating with her son. That's a lot.
I feel like glee is one of the most 'you had to be there' shows on TV? It's FULL of 2010s pop songs, remixes, and awkwardly improbable teenager shenanigans. Today we'll talk about the premise of the show (really, just kids forced to be in a glee club) and some of the early deaths of three of glee's main characters. In 2013 Cory Monteith died of a drug overdose, in 2018 Mark Salling died by suic*de after horrible things came to light, and in 2020, Naya Rivera drowned while boating with her son.
That's a lot.
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Authenticity is key here. You're not like a different person when you're not live
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do. Boom. Taylor. We are live, we are recording, we are talking. How are you?
>> Taylor: I'm good. How are you?
>> Farz: I'm good. I keep trying to come up with, like, my best radio personality and something good.
>> Taylor: I like it. I like your personality. Thank you. It translates. You're not like a different person when you're not live on this not live show that you heavily edit. So besides all of that, this is generally who you are.
>> Farz: Perfect. Perfect. Authenticity is key here.
I have an announcement. I got a 3D printer. Seriously, it's the coolest thing I've ever had
>> Taylor: I have an announcement. Oh, I got a 3D printer. Seriously, it's the coolest thing I've ever had. Technically, it's Miles's because he turned nine. Super exciting. But I printed so much stuff. Look at this. I printed earrings that are the logo of the company I work for.
>> Farz: How expensive are these things?
>> Taylor: It was, like, 250 bucks. And then I've spent a lot of money on filament. I made these bracelets. We have made so many 3D printed dragons. There's one that takes six hours to print, and it's so cool.
>> Farz: What can you make besides
>> Taylor: you can make, like. So, like, it came with a couple of things that are, like, already attached in it. And one thing that it had was this desk thing that actually is very helpful because my. You know, I always lose my headphones, but this thing is, like a shape, and it clips onto my desk and then it printed the screws, and then I can hang my headphones on it. Helpful. I printed something to, like, hang plants on. I printed some more decor. It's just. I just. I. I want to change my job to 3D printer. It's so cool. I'll send you the one I got.
>> Farz: Man, you're ahead of the times.
>> Taylor: I'm like, not. I'm not. Have you, like, don't. Do you guys have farmer's records where there's like a thousand guys selling 3D printed dragons?
>> Farz: No, ours are selling crystals and different kind of implements of witchcraft.
>> Taylor: Then I have a business proposition for you. So we should bring 3D printed dragons to Austin because they're super fun and you can. Like, right now, I'm just. Well, like, obviously, my company logo I, like, uploaded, but, like, the other things that I have downloaded, I've just downloaded patterns that people have, like, available for free. But then you can also, like, design stuff in 3D. It's so cool. I made it. Oh, my book. Oh, I Made this really cool bookmark. It's like very, very thin, but it's like black. I'm showing you this on this non visual medium, but it's so fun. Anyway, if you. If anyone's on the fence, I say get one because it's a blast.
>> Farz: Well, yeah, you know what? You might have just convinced me.
>> Taylor: It's so fun. It's like, I don't know what I
>> Farz: would do with it, but like, I feel like.
>> Taylor: Find stuff to do with it.
>> Farz: Find things to do. Yeah, okay.
>> Taylor: Yeah, fair enough. You could figure it out because really it's just been. It's just been such a fun. A fun thing that I've been playing with all week. Like the kids go to school and I'm like, get out of. Get out of here.
>> Farz: How long does it take? Like with those earrings that you're holding right now, how long did that take?
>> Taylor: These probably would take like 20, maybe 15, 20 minutes. I have these like really thin hummingbird earrings that I printed where they take like three minutes like this. And they're really pretty and. But like the big dragon takes six hours. It goes like layer by layer. But it makes this one. We didn't print this and we just like happened to have. But they're like this. Do you see this?
>> Farz: You've printed that.
>> Taylor: This is not. This is not when I printed. This is when we bought at a market. But this is exactly what they look like. Let me. Wait, let me get one. Hold on. But they like move and you don't have to like put it together. It like prints layer by layer. So it prints the like things anyway. I'll post pictures of these dragons. It's so fun. It's real cool. And so you. There's always like free online things where you can go and like design things. Oh, so this is one that takes six hours that we printed. Can you see him?
>> Farz: He like and did that.
>> Taylor: I mean, you just like download it and print it. It doesn't take any actual human skills.
>> Farz: How does it articulate? Isn't it just like laying filament line by line?
>> Taylor: Yeah, and it does it in a way that it makes it able to. Yeah, articulate. That's the word. To move like that.
This show is unintentionally brought to you by a 3D printer
Because it's like connected by like little tiny things and then it moves. Like you don't. You don't have to do anything. It just comes out of the printer six hours later like this. And we're printing one right now with like a really cool multicolored thing.
>> Farz: Is filament expensive?
>> Taylor: No, it's not. Because you can get, like, four rolls for, like, 20 bucks and you can print a s*** ton of stuff with that.
>> Farz: Send me a link.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: I hate that you did this to me.
>> Taylor: I'm going to make an affiliate link and just send it to everyone. This is unintentionally brought to you by a 3D printer.
>> Farz: That is fun. That would be really fun. Like, if I was working and I could watch my 3D stuff coming to life here, it would be kind of cool.
>> Taylor: Exactly. It's a little loud, but yes.
>> Farz: And for gifts, like, how cool would that be? It's like. It's like, oh, man, it's Rachel's birthday tomorrow. And it's like, hurry up. Like, print earrings, you know, like, exactly.
>> Taylor: Like, I'm gonna print, like, Florence's bestie. She loves, like, Stitch from Lilo and Stitch. There's all this Stitch stuff I'm gonna print for her for her birthday. Because I was like, oh, perfect. You're gonna love this. Yeah, I'm printing, like, everyone. I was like, everyone's getting earrings. Everyone's getting bookmarks. Everyone's getting cool stuff.
>> Farz: Okay, well, you. Yeah, you just ruined me. This is gonna be. And there's a thing called Maker World where I'm looking at, like, all these different things that people design that you can, like, steal from them.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I mean, it's not stealing. You download it and they offer it for free.
>> Farz: Whatever.
>> Taylor: Don't make it sound bad.
>> Farz: That was a nice intro. Somebody built a 3D printed turboprop engine.
>> Taylor: That's silly. Oh, this is cool. Oh, my God. There's so many cool things on this website.
>> Farz: Okay, we're gonna get distracted. Okay.
>> Taylor: Oh, you can build yourself a World cup trophy. Okay. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Dooms to Fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures and good advice. And I am Taylor, joined by forest.
>> Farz: Yes. Thank you for the introduction, Taylor. We do bring good advice, but we don't know anything. So our advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.
>> Taylor: But we are. We are learning, which is the whole point.
>> Farz: Okay, Taylor Somebody. This 3D printed turbojet is the coolest looking thing ever.
>> Taylor: I'm looking at. Okay, well, this is a good website. I haven't had. I haven't looked at this phone yet. Oh, an earbud cleaner. That's helpful.
>> Farz: That one's really helpful.
>> Taylor: A triceratops skull. I could print that. I like this business card holder. Anyway. It's hard not to just be. Have this be the only thing I talk about.
>> Farz: Let's get. Let's get on track.
>> Taylor: Yeah. At work. At work. I'm like, hello, welcome to my show, Mattel.
>> Farz: Taylor. Is it really loud? Like, can I not have it in my office?
>> Taylor: You shouldn't have in your office. No. Okay, put it in the dungeon room. It could be fine in there.
>> Farz: Okay, we'll go in the dungeon room.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay.
Taylor, you have a story for us today about a Hollywood tragedy
Taylor, you have a story for us today.
>> Taylor: I do. So I told you that I had a. I don't remember, but I had Victorian murder. And I don't have that today because I'm reading a book and it's taking forever. Some books are like, oh my God, I can't believe that was 500 pages. And this one, I'm on page 80 and I'm like, I can't believe I still have hundreds of pages left. So I will finish it, but I'm giving myself a little more time. So instead I'm going to tell you a more modern story about a tragedy, a Hollywood tragedy. Can you think of a TV show where a good percentage of the cast died really young in like weird a** ways?
>> Farz: A good percentage of the cast died really young. And it's a show, not a movie, so it's not the Omen, the show.
>> Taylor: It's more. It's more recent.
>> Farz: Full House. Although only one of them died.
>> Taylor: It's Glee.
>> Farz: Oh, yeah.
>> Taylor: Did you ever watch. It's weird. The whole thing is weird. Glee was weird. Did you ever watch it, Taylor?
>> Farz: It was a. It was a show about people singing, like, what do you think?
>> Taylor: There's just so much third party embarrassment like there. It's like, it's fun. Like I like to. I watch like the first couple seasons and like, the music is fun. They did like a ton of singing. And like when they're singing on, I'll tell you about it, but when they're singing on stage, I'm cool with that. I think that's fun because then you're like watching a musical. But when they're singing in like their regular life, it just like makes very French.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: So a little bit about Glee. If you have not seen or haven't heard of it, it ran from 2009 to 2013. There were six seasons, like within that time. And it is like Varz was saying, it is singing. It's about a Glee club in Ohio. And yeah, Glee Club is just kids singing. You know, like every college is like an acapella club. There's some acapella songs in there. You know all of that. It was created by Ryan Murphy, Brad Falchuk and Ian Brennan. And they have, like, the weirdest resume else that Ryan Murphy made and makes American Horror Stories. Yeah, he does. He does, like Nip Tuck, American Horror Stories, Scream Queens. They do the 911 series, like 911 Chicago or whatever. You know what I mean?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And then they have this like, random show about kids singing and being teenagers, which is like.
>> Farz: I mean, you gotta fill. You gotta fill in the dark with the light every now and then. Sorry, I'm totally listening, but I'm also looking at different designs for.
>> Taylor: That's fine. Send me some stuff, but keep listening to me. So.
Let me tell you about the characters on Glee. Then we'll talk about some real life people
Okay, let me tell you about the characters in Glee. Then we'll talk about some of the real life people that were on the show. And I'll tell you a couple of the things that I remember, like some of the weird things that I remember happening on it. So the main star is Rachel Berry, who's played by Lea Michele, who. I'm sure you know who that is.
>> Farz: Absolutely know who that is.
>> Taylor: So Lea Michele is. She's like the. It's very much like her character. Probably. Like, her character was very like, I'm gonna be on Broadway someday. Like the kind of a. Kind of a snotty, nerdy girl. There's Quinn Fabre, who's played by Deanna Agron. She's the head cheerleader. And she's pregnant, which is obviously a scandal. I saw her at the airport one time. She was very nice. There's no.
>> Farz: Michelle wasn't nice. I heard she was like me.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I'm gonna talk about that. Yeah, I heard she's mean to people. Yeah. There's Noah Puckerman with the name Puck, played by Mark Salling. He's like the bad. The bad guy, you know, in the show. There's Tina Cohen Chang, played by Jenna Uskowitz. She's like a goth girl, shy. There's Finn Hudson, he's the quarterback. I'm not gonna read everybody's name. There's Santana Lopez. She's the cheerleader who's like, kind of a b****. There's Kurt Hummel. He's the. One of the first, like, very, like, visible gay characters, like, recurring on TV shows. Obviously there was like, Ricky in My so Called Life, but he's very important in, like, that community later. There's Mercedes Jones. She's like the gospel singer. There's Artie Abrams, he's in a wheelchair. And then that's his, like, character trait. He's like the wheelchair guy, you know. There's like a black girl and an Asian Girl and a gay guy and a guy in a wheelchair. And then there's Brittney Pierce, and she is a cheerleader that has, like, a lot of arcs as well. She is really funny, actually. So her character, she's played by Heather Morris. I'll tell you a little bit more about her, but there's a thing, an episode that I remember where her and Santana are eating and they try to return their food at a restaurant after they've already eaten all of it. And one of the girls is like, mine didn't taste good. And this. And Britney, this character goes, mine had a mouse in it. And just makes me laugh every time because I'm like, that's so stupid. She just, like, was, like, stupid, but fun.
>> Farz: So did you watch? You actually watched it?
>> Taylor: I watched a couple. Like, I watched a couple maybe the first two seasons.
>> Farz: Okay. Is that it sucked you in?
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, the campaign, I remember, like, people, like, loved it. It was like a big deal. Like when it was on TV. I mean, 2009 was forever ago.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah. And there's some adults. There's Will Schuster, he's the teacher. He's weird. Like, he just gives off the creepiest vibes. And I'll tell you a little about him in real life. And then there's Sue Sylvester. She's like the cheer coach. That's Jane Lynch. You know, she is. She's famous too. So, yeah, like, like I said, there's like a lot of third party embarrassment. And, you know, you can watch a little bit of it but be embarrassed by bits of it. People do stupid things, but, like, you know, you do stupid things. You're a teenager. Sure. But, like, also you're not seeing them most of the time, which, like, makes it more awkward and weird.
>> Farz: If you were to my youth, I would be mortified.
>> Taylor: Yeah, exactly. Like, being a teenager sucks, but at least you're not in a musical number every freaking day at school trying to go through your problems.
In six seasons, there are over 700 musical performances on Glee
So one thing that is, like, I didn't think about really about it, is in the show, in the six seasons, there are over 700 musical performances. So they have to, like, learn choreography and learn the script and learn these songs. And a lot of guest stars, like Gwyneth Paltrow is on it, and she ends up leaving her husband for Brad Falchuk, the director. And they get. They're still married. There is, you know, and these. But most of the people of the main cast, like, they're not teenagers, obviously. They're in their, like, 20s, like early 20s. But they like, were not very famous before this. Some of them been working for a long time, but on like small shows and getting like small bit parts or like on Broadway. So when they're finally on this show, like their whole life changes, like pretty much overnight. So they have like every Glee season has like a cd, so they have to go in and do like studio recordings of all their songs and then they do a stadium tour. So they have to go to these like sold out stadiums and like sing their Glee songs and do all these things.
>> Farz: And it's just like this whole thing is so gross. You, you know that I hate the cult of personality around celebrities. I think it's like the most disgusting element of American culture. And I feel like for some reason this was like the pinnacle of commercialization of celebrity culture.
>> Taylor: It really feels that way. It just feels weird. And also I think to, you know, go back to the time it was 2009, like, this is like Tumblr and like things are like just starting. Like there's no Instagram, like, there's like barely Twitter. So it's like the very beginning of social media also. So like they're starting to get like, like you said, like, people are obsessed with them online and like say mean things about them and like do all these things that like had never really happened before just to it to people like brand new, you know. Yeah, because it's new. So it's pretty stressful like for them. And they're going and they have these like crazy storylines and they're doing all this stuff. And so it's hard for all the actors to like keep up with with this schedule.
Is the singing, like, supposed to be there or is it off-cuff
Some of the things that. Weird plot points that I remember that I just wanted to like, I remember they stand out because they're so weird. Is like in the first, I think in the first season, one of the major plot points is that Quinn, who's the main, like the head cheerleader, gets pregnant and her boyfriend is Finn, who is the quarterback. And like this, it's like he thinks that he's the dad because they hooked up in a hot tub, but they didn't have sex. And he thinks that his sperm like swam across the hot tub and got her pregnant. So she tells him that and he believes it because he's dumb. And he sings you're having my baby, which is a song to her parents at dinner. And it made me want to die because obviously he was not the father. And it was just really embarrassing and terrible.
>> Farz: Answer your question. Is, is the. Is the. So can you Explain. Is. Is. Is the singing, like, supposed to be there or is it kind of both?
>> Taylor: That's a good question. So it's supposed to be there because they're all, like, meeting up in this Glee club. Like, the quarterback has to do it for some reason. Like, the bad boy has to do it for some reason. I don't know why people have to force to be in this club, but, like, sometimes they do. Every. Well, every episode, they do, like, a big performance, which would be exhausting if you were at the school and this Glee club was performing every day in, like, the auditorium, you'd be like, oh, my God, these f****** nerds. And I kill them.
>> Farz: So when he sang to her parents.
>> Taylor: Because there's also, like, off the cuff, like, musical numbers. But they're all popular songs. Like, they're not. They don't have any original songs. They're all covers of other songs also.
>> Farz: Right. This is so stupid. Okay, sorry.
>> Taylor: So it's like a little bit of both. So, like, I said, like, the. The cd, like, the. They're having, like, a show at the end of the episode. I like that. That's fine. It's, like, choreographed, and it's like a song, you know. Cute. They do a lot, like, mashups. Cute. The big one, the first one I did was Don't Stop Believing. Everybody loved it. But then it kind of turns more into, like, they're singing regularly in their lives because there's like, one whole montage, or they're singing, like, a version and one cheerleader is singing it to the quarterback. And then at the same time, the teacher is singing it to another teacher to try to, like, take her virginity. And you're like, this is gross and really weird. And, like, why are. Why are we doing this? You know, this.
>> Farz: This is why I hate musicals. Because you have a narrative, and then you have to suspend your understanding of the narrative to let this thing happen.
>> Taylor: And I like musicals, but this was. This is just a little too much. And it's because it's, like, super ongoing, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: So there's. There's, like, that with. That is weird. There is a. A whole another episode I remember where, like, the kid in the wheelchair, they, like, decided that it's all in his head. And, like, one girl, like, dumps him onto the floor. And it's terrible because she's like, oh, but you could walk if you really wanted to. And he, like, obviously can't because he's in a wheelchair. It's really upsetting and weird. There is a lot of like, you know, tough storylines, obviously, like, the COVID bullying. There's a lot of LGBTQ characters. Santana and Brittany, two of the. Two of the cheerleaders, they end up getting married. So there's, like, a lot of, like, stuff like that. And it's too in it too, but, like, folded in with the weird stuff, you know?
>> Farz: Right.
>> Taylor: So a couple, like, fun things, like Heather Morris, who plays one of. Who plays the funny cheerleader, she was a backup dancer for Beyonce in Single Ladies, so she, like, she was on SNL with her doing it. It's pretty great. She's actually super talented. And then some of the other kids, like, they have, like, written books and, like, gone on to, like, do other things. None of that. None of them have ever had, like, a studio album. Like, they've all kind of tried, but they never really, like, it never really took off as, like, a musical career for them. The one. The two others that, like, just to mention are, you know, obviously, like, Lea Michelle, you heard that she's kind of a b****. You've heard the rumor that she can't read? Have you heard that rumor?
>> Farz: No. Is that true?
>> Taylor: No, of course not. She's, like, 40 years old. But it's so funny that, like, there's a rumor that she can't read, like, for no reason. And, I mean, it's probably something that started it, but, like, it just keeps going and she has to go on. She, like, goes on shows, and it's like, I can obviously read. It's just, like, really stupid because you're like, of course she can reach as a f****** adult.
>> Farz: Do you. Do you remember when 50 Cent offered Floyd Mayweather $1 million to a charity of his choice if he could go on a show and read a page from a Harry Potter book?
>> Taylor: No.
There are reports of her being racist on set
Did he do it?
>> Farz: Didn't do it? No.
>> Taylor: Can he read?
>> Farz: Making the claim. He can't.
>> Taylor: So I don't know. With all that money, I feel like you'd be able to read or maybe you don't have to read with all that money.
>> Farz: Yeah. You get hit in the head enough, I bet you forget how to read.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Get someone to read for you. That's hilarious. But there are, like, you, like, you kind of alluded to. There are reports of her being kind of racist on set and, like, kind of a. To the other people that were in the cast. She's also been on. She apologized and was like, I was young. Which is fair, but also, like, you know, so reason to do that. She has been on Broadway since she was a kid. She like, lived in New Jersey, but they had an apartment in Manhattan, so she could be on Broadway, which is like, very cool, but kind of feel pretentious. But she did work for her dad's deli, so I just wrote. She contains multitudes. She's probably fine. She's. And she's currently in a new. In a new Broadway play right now. So, like, she's. She's doing. She's doing fine. She was in a relationship with. With the Corey Monteith. I don't how to say that. Monteith, who plays the quarterback in real life.
>> Farz: They were dating. Yeah.
Matthew Morrison's character on Glee was really creepy
>> Taylor: So another kind of weird thing is that Matthew Morrison, who played the. Who played like the teacher. He just like, his character was really creepy. So, like, maybe he's a good actor that kind of makes you feel like he's creepy. But then he, like, did a couple weird things. Like he was on Broadway a lot. Him and Lea Michele dated before filming, which again, like, it's not their fault, but that's gross. Know that he's playing her teacher and they. They had at one point dated and then he did like a weird version of the Grinch on TV and everybody hated it. But then the real weird thing that's not great is that he was supposed to be a judge on so youo Think you Can Dance and he got fired for sending inappropriate text messages. So to someone else on the. Who was like in the show, like one of the dancers, but enough to get him fired. So not great. So anyway, that's kind of just some random stuff. If you've. You could follow along if you'd watch Glee, you probably knew what I was talking about.
Three Glee cast members died really young in unexpected ways
But let's talk about the tragedies because three of the cast members died really young in really, like, upsetting, weird ways. So first there's Corey, who played Finn Hudson. So he was born on May 11, 1982, in Calgary, Canada. He was a troubled young teen boy. He was drinking and doing drugs from like the age of 13. And he ended up doing like, extra roles in TV and movies that were filming in Vancouver. So he did that like as a teen. And he got an agent. He was in Final Destination 3. I don't remember that one, but I'm sure it was great. And he was just kind of doing a little thing, couple little things. And he went to a mass audition for Glee in LA and he got the part. So he was like, not a. Necessarily a singer because he didn't really want people who were like a huge famous singer.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: Because they still. They still want to be like, they're still kids, but they're like the best singing kids, you know, whatever. So he. He got it. And his character, you know, went through a lot. Like, he was like, you know, going through like, the pregnancy, going through being a jock. So he was dealing with all of that, like, as like an actor. And while he was in Glee, he went to rehab. He'd been to rehab more than once for his, like, for alcohol and. And drugs. He was dating Leah Michelle in real life in about like season four of like three or four of Glee in. In 2013. They sent him to a rehab because they were like, listen, like, you are f****** up at work. Like, we can tell that, like, you are on drugs. Like, you are drinking. Like, you need to go and like, get more help. So we went and completed a rehab treatment in like December to January 2013. So on July 13, 2013, he'd been staying at a hotel in Vancouver for a week and he was supposed to check out, but he didn't. And they went to his room and they found his body. He died of an over an overdose of heroin and alcohol. And what of heroin and alcohol? They think that he. Because he had gone to rehab, his body had detoxed enough that whatever dose he had been comfortable taking before rehab killed him after.
>> Farz: Yep. Makes sense. Yeah.
>> Taylor: He was only 31. And in the show, they still going on? Yes. So they killed his character, but they don't explain how he died. They just like, have an episode where they're at his funeral and like, Lea Michelle sings sad songs in it, which I think is strange because they were dating in real life. So your real life boyfriend dies and then you have to go on a TV show and sing sad songs about him. And they don't talk about how he died, how his character died in the show. They just kind of like, let it go. And they bring him up every once in a while to be like, he remember this quarterback. But they don't talk about it.
>> Farz: Why? Because he's so famous that you can't like, I mean, that was like big news. Even I knew that happened.
>> Taylor: But I feel like you have to have, like, you have to have an explanation in the show. Like in. Well, like in. In new. Okay, so like remember in news radio when Phil Harvin died?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And they. They just like, at least said like, you know, he had a heart attack, you know, and like, this was. It was terrible. Like in. In the West Wing, one of the main characters died at the very, very end. And they did like, A similar, like, oh, we had a heart attack and died. And they had to like adjust the storyline, but like at least said something not like he's dead. Yeah, no one knows how he's supposed to be like an 18 year old boy. They don't usually just like drop dead for no reason. You never talk about it. They can. Yeah, they do it easily, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah, fair enough.
>> Taylor: Yeah. So that's sad. Definitely, like struggled his whole life with, with addiction and he was super young when he died. These are gonna get worse. That's kind of like the least worse of them.
The next death is Mark Salling, who played Noah Puckerman
The next death is Mark Salling, who played Noah Puckerman, who was like the bad, quote, bad guy, like the bad boy in the show. He was the one who got the cheerleader pregnant in the storyline in real life. You know what I mean? Like, obviously it wasn't the boyfriend in the hot tub. It was someone who actually had sex with her. And this was this guy. So he has to join the Glee Club because he's like in trouble. I don't know if like that really happens in real life. Anyone. Do you ever have to join a club because you were in trouble? I thought that happens on TV all the time where it's like, oh, like far as isn't like far as is like acting out in class. You think you should join the newspaper club, you know, or whatever.
>> Farz: The Breakfast Club?
>> Taylor: Yeah. Like, I don't think that's. I don't think that really happens, but.
>> Farz: Well, they, they got in because of it. The Breakfast Club became a group because of it.
>> Taylor: What do you think the Breakfast Club is?
>> Farz: Is that what it's called?
>> Taylor: Well, yeah, but like, what do you think? What do you think hap. What do you think that means? Do you think that they meet often for breakfast?
>> Farz: Just, I don't know. Well, they're all in detention. I'm gonna have to edit this whole thing out. Keep going.
>> Taylor: I mean, they do it once. I don't think they're. I don't think it all the time afterwards because that's it.
Mark Selling was arrested in December 2015 for suspected child pornography
So. Mark Selling was born in Dallas on August 17, 1982. He moved to LA after high school. And very similar to Corey, he was like on a few TV shows. He had his own, like he had like a single. Like a couple of these guys have like singles that don't. Aren't really crazy popular, but they exist. His character was actually only in Glee for the first four seasons, like as a main character. And then they took him out, which I guess I never got to the end. But I guess high school is only four years, so there. I think there were other parts. Yeah, I think that like Lea Michelle's character does go to move to New York and like get on Broadway and stuff like that happens, I think just as like, as like they grow up. But he wanted to do other things, so he wasn't a main character in the last couple of seasons. In real life, he dated Naya Rivera, who's one of the cheerleaders on the show. He was active in an Echo park bird watching club. Like, just like he like, loved bird watching. And then there are bad things. So after he and Naya Rivera broke up, he dated a model. And in 2013, she accused him of sexual battery. And they settled out of court for $2.7 million. Which means he's like, guilty as f***.
>> Farz: Yeah, kidding.
>> Taylor: You know, like, that's a lot of f****** money. And he definitely was like trying not to go to jail, you know, so that's bad. And he's. He's not really ugly anymore. Glee's over, but that's still like, not great. And then in December 20, December 29, 2015, he's arrested at his home in LA for suspicion of child pornography. One of his exes, I think the one that had accused him of sexual battery before is the one that told the police and he got out on bail, but he. When they went to his house and like searched his like, hard drives and all that stuff that you have, he had more than 50,000 images, which is
>> Farz: like, that's more than a hobby.
>> Taylor: Does anyone who enjoys adult p*** have 50,000 p*** images on their computer? No. Right.
>> Farz: Seems excessive.
>> Taylor: I don't have 50, 000 anything. I'm like, I don't even. That's. That's a number that I. I probably
>> Farz: have like, I probably have at least, at least, at least a thousand pictures of Luna on my phone.
>> Taylor: Yes, you probably have more, but like 50, 000 is of something bad. Yeah, that's like. It just. I feel like whenever you hear this, it's always just an obscene amount of. Amount of it on these guys computers. And it's just like another level of.
>> Farz: He must have been at this for a very, very long time.
>> Taylor: Yes, that's true. That's also part of you. But like. Yeah, like he like saved it on USB drives around his house. Like they. You always hear that with this and I just don't. This is gross.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: So on May, it takes out two years for his sentencing and everything to finally like go, go through. So he's out on bail. He's not formally charged until May 2016. So that's like six months later, a year and change after that. So on September 30, 2017, he takes a plea and he. He pleads guilty. So he. The deal that he took, he's going to get four to seven years in prison, has to register as a sex offender, obviously, has to go to a treatment facility and supposed to give money to some of the victims that were able to be identified on the images and videos that he had. His sentencing date was March 7, 2018. So a full two years and change after he was first arrested for this is when he's supposed to be sentenced to figure out how long he's going to go to prison. But before that, on January 30, 2018, he hanged himself in the woods near his home in la. And it's a place where. I like, googled the address because it's like, kind of like up above, like a. A place like a neighborhood. And the pictures of it are. It's all burning. So I think it's a place that was like burned in the fires last year, like that part of like, like upper Pasadena area. But they found his body, declared him dead, which also. And you're a lawyer, tell me if this makes sense. He means his sentence was thrown out and the $50,000, which is not that much that he was supposed to give to the victims was null. But I feel like he must have like some property that you could sell and give them. But I guess it just didn't matter anymore.
>> Farz: I think, I think. Well, I think. I don't know how it works in every jurisdiction, but I was under the impression that once an appeal is filed, then you can't. We don't know how the appeal would have been handled. He could have been found not guilty, and as a result, he just dropped the charges.
>> Taylor: Oh, that sucks.
>> Farz: Once they died.
>> Taylor: Yeah, that sucks for the victims. They still forgotten.
>> Farz: So. So maybe he knew that that's how California works. And so he filed an appeal because he knew he was going to kill himself. And he was like, well, I'm going to save this money for my family when I die.
>> Taylor: So, yeah, I think he also just didn't want to go to jail, probably.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. That too.
>> Taylor: so one. He was 35 with that when that happened. So. Also.
Naya Rivera was born on January 12, 1987, in California
Also young. He. One thing that I thought was, you know that Heather Morris, who is the cheerleader. That is. Is funny. So she was like in like a gossip site. I remember this from years ago where someone else had posted a picture of the cast, and they had, like, X'd out Mark's face. And she was like, that sucks. And they were like, what are you doing defending a pedophile? And she's like, it just sucks. We spent, like, four years with this person, you know, and I think you're allowed to mourn the person that you thought they were, but then, like, know that they're not who you thought they were.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, and that sucks. So he's, like, obviously not included in, like, a whole bunch of, like, remembering Glee stuff. They just. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how they frame it, but it's not good, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Pretty bad way to go. So that was in 2018, and he was. He was 35. The last one is a crazy accident that happened.
>> Farz: I remember this one later. We were living in LA when this happened.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. So Naya Rivera, she plays Santana, like, the Stassi, teenager, cheerleader, was born on January 12, 1987, in California. She identified as Afro Latinx. So she is African American, German, and Puerto Rican. Her grandmother was involved in the civil rights marches in D.C. and Selma, which is cool. She was always around, like, LA proper. Her mom was a model, and she started acting when she was just a baby. So she was, like, in. In a lot of shows because she was like, she's very beautiful, but she's also, like, kind of, like, racially ambiguous, which was, like, good and bad for her, you know, because some people would be like, you're too black or you're too Latin or, you're not this, you're not that. So she, like, had a hard time finding exactly where she fit in in a lot of shows. She was on a show called the Royal Family with Red Fox is the actor. He was the dad in Sanford and Son.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, he died of a heart attack. And I think it was on set, and she was there, and she was, like, 5 years old, which is terrible for everyone. And she's on a bunch of shows, just, like, a bunch of different things. And in 2009, she obviously gets her, like, big break in books Glee. So she does great. She wins some awards, she sings some great songs. It's also, like, really big for the LGBTQ community because she is, like, like, a very obviously bi character. She mirrors. She has, like, relationships with Ben, but she marries a woman in the show, so like, that's important. And people really, like, they love her. She. Afterwards, she does sing some songs. She has, like, a Single. But again, none of these kids really have, like, a music career after she wrote a book in 2016 and, you know, just talked about how much she liked it. She enjoyed, like, being angry and, like, the rest of next steps in her career. So she was dating a actor director named Ryan Dorsey earlier, like, before she got anglia, like, in 2010. And then they broke up, and then she dated rapper Big Sean, and then they broke up and she got back together with Ryan. Maybe there were, like, other people in between. But the thing I remember also from the Internet is that when Big Sean broke up with her, he didn't tell her. He just, like, posted it online, like, oh, I'm single. And she was like, that's weird. They were dating for, like, years. And so that she went to his house and there was, like, a child sitting on his couch. And she was like, who the is this? And the person turned around and it was Ariana Grande, who had obviously been, like, hooking up with her boyfriend.
>> Farz: Yeah, that is wild. The lives of celebrities I know.
>> Taylor: So her and Ryan Dorsey get back together, they get married, they have a baby, and then they start to have problems, and they get a divorce. She is arrested in West Virginia. I don't know why they were there, but for domestic battery for attacking him when they were in the middle of a fight, when they were, like, starting divorce proceedings. And then eventually he drops the charges and she. They're finally divorced in January 2020. So their son is, like, 4 years old, and they have, like, joint custody, all the things. So on July 8, 2020, Naya goes boating with her son on Lake Peru, which is, like, north of La Ish in. In Southern California. And she'd been there a lot, like, as a child. She lives around that area. She's familiar with it. She's a strong swimmer. She enjoys boating. She knows how to do it. And they rent a pontoon boat and they go out. But Lake Piro is a bad lake. It's full of garbage. It's full of, like, debris. There's a lot of, like, vehicles in it. You know, it's just, like, a bad lake. It's low visibility. All lakes are bad. Don't summon them. There's monsters and don't do it. But this is particularly a bad lake. If you, like, go to the Wikipedia page for Lake Peru. There's, like, at least 20 deaths that are listed between, like, 1990 and now. And there's, like, a lot of people drowned there. It's. It's pretty dangerous, but.
NAYA Rivera drowned while out on a boat with her young son
So her and her son are out by themselves on a boat. He has a life vest because he's a kid, but she does not have one. And at 4pm they don't come back. So her family, whoever was waiting for her, were like, okay, we should go search for them. They said they come back by four, and at five, they find the boat with just the kid on it, and he's by himself and he's asleep. And so they wake him up and they get him. And this poor kid is, like, trying to explain what happened. And he remembers, like, his mom trying to get him to find a rope and that she was asking for help. But, like, that's all he really remembers because he's obviously like four. He's a little kid. So she. They were. They were maybe swimming together, and then she got him in the boat and she couldn't get herself onto the boat and got like, exhausted and just drowned. Or maybe they fell off or. I don't know. Like, we don't know exactly what happened, but she drowned. She was only 33. They found her body on July 13th a few days later. Isn't that awesome? Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah, I remember this one. It was just so weird. It was like, because there were such big celebrities back then, again, the celebrity culture obsession. It was like she was out there alone with her kid and the kids there, but she's gone. I don't know. I remember, like, initially, like, I think the news reports were, like, suspicious, like, someone take her or it just feels
>> Taylor: like, how could that happen? You know? But then water is so dangerous. Like, the guy from the Cosby show just died in the ocean, remember?
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, it's just so. It's just. It can get so dangerous so quickly and, you know, you can just drown. Yeah.
>> Farz: I wonder what would have happened. Like, I mean, she must have gotten, like, caught in something or.
>> Taylor: It was definitely hard to get back up on a boat, you know, if you don't have the ladder down or whatever. You've seen that open water, too. Remember that one?
>> Farz: Was it a boat? Was it. Wasn't it like a dock?
>> Taylor: Open water, too?
>> Farz: No. NAYA Rivera.
>> Taylor: No, it was a boat.
>> Farz: It was a boat. Yeah. Yeah. You'd have to have quite a bit of upper body strength to be able to pull yourself in. And like, here in Austin, I've gone in the water. I mean, I. I totally understand why people don't keep drowning in the water here if you don't know what you're getting into, because the lake in the middle of the city, there's all these Growths, these, like. Like seaweed, but, like, I don't know, a little bit more abrasive than seaweed. And it just comes up from the bottom, and I can totally see you get caught in, like, some of it. And then. And then, like, your arm gets heavy. You start kind of going this way. Then you try to grab, like. I can see why it would just consume you and take you. It's so scary.
>> Taylor: It's so scary. Yeah. I feel terrible about it. It's a terrible way to go. And then also just, like, being so afraid for your child because you have to, like, abandon your child, you know? And, like.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: The last thing that she was thinking, it sounds. Just. Sounds really terrible. And I feel really sorry for her.
>> Farz: I saw that she was in, like, 30 to 60ft of water when she drowned when they found her body.
>> Taylor: Gross. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah. He likes. Well, that's it. So far, only those three have died tragically. But I don't know.
>> Farz: I mean, I don't know if the middle guy was that tragic.
>> Taylor: Well, it's a tragic story, like, for his victims and everything, you know, that
>> Farz: he was, like, what else tragic, But.
>> Taylor: Yes, no, but, like, what else did he do? You know, like, hasn't come forward and, like, all the things and what he thought he could get away with, with that power, you know, like, did he. Like, what else did he do when they were on. You know, to speculate. They were, like, on tour and all the things, you know, like, it's just really. It's just. It's.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
>> Taylor: It's terrible. They're all fun. Yeah. And such, like a. I don't know, like, the idea of the show is, like, supposed to be fun, but it has such a dark undertone and then dark things happen in real life.
So far, no one from American Horror Story has died
So far, no one. I know, no one from American Horror Story has died. Weirdly, Right? No, they all seem fine. Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah. They're crushing it. Yeah. Ryan Murphy really knocked out of the park with that.
>> Taylor: So I think that Evan Peters was, like, having a hard time after all the hard stuff he's done. Like, after playing Jeffrey Dahmer, I feel like you might be upset. You probably see a therapist.
>> Farz: I know. I wonder what spider web, cobweb dreams that guy has.
>> Taylor: Oh, God. I know. Poor thing. All the terrible things that I've seen him do on tv.
>> Farz: This brain is just like broken glass and needles.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. Poor thing. But the new season, Jessica Lange is back, which is good because she's the best part.
>> Farz: Nice. Very fun. Taylor.
Are there any musical TV shows on right now? I don't know
>> Taylor: I'm Are there any musical TV shows on right now? I don't know. Let me know if you. If you see any. I liked Keegan, Michael Key, and, oh, gosh, someone from Saturday Night Live who's funny did one called Schmigadoon. Oh, my God. It was like, you hate it. But there is a musical called Brigadoon, which is about a town in Ireland that wakes up every 50 years. So every 50 years is like a day for them. And it's like a magical town, so you, like, don't see it unless you, like, happen to go through it. So this guy goes. I think in the movie Brigadoon, I think Sean Connery's in it. And when he's, like, young, he's like, young hot, not old hot, but still hot. And he is. So he, like, falls in love with a woman, but she's like, I'm gonna fall asleep 50 years, whatever. But in Schmigadoon, they, like, find, like, a. Like a fake. Oh, my God, this is so stupid. And then they have. The second season is Schmacago, and it's like Chicago the Musical. And it's both so stupid, you would hate it. But anyone else who wants to laugh at a musical, it's good.
>> Farz: Well, write to us at Divinefellpod, if you. @gmail.com, if you were into musicals or if you think there's a musical that could change our mind about musicals. The possible.
>> Taylor: Yeah, you have to be, like, in the right. I don't know.
>> Farz: Even the Bride, the one that just came out, you know, the movie, when I saw the trailer for it, I was like, the ambiance looks cool. I get what the storyline is. And the makeup looks amazing. Christian Bale looks awesome. And it looked great. Looked like a great period piece. They were singing the whole freaking time. And I was like, really? Maybe I think about the wrong movie.
>> Taylor: I didn't see it. I just. I've been surprised that they were singing the whole time. Christian Bale is obviously in Newsies, so he's obviously a musical guy.
>> Farz: There you go. There you go. No, if you have an idea. If you have ideas about what musical I can watch that might change my opinion about musicals, please write to us atthefallpotgmail.com.
>> Taylor: love it. Love it.
Taylor: Some kids need to be homeschooled for personal reasons
I have one listener, male, from Nadine, who agrees with me on not wanting to homeschool our kids, but also wants to point out, which is absolutely correct, that some kids do need to be homeschooled for personal reasons, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah, of course.
>> Taylor: So it should be an option, but not for me. Luckily, I don't have to.
>> Farz: Yeah, you just spent, like the first part of this conversation before we started recording talking about the joys of you being home alone. So I doubt you're never up school your kids.
>> Taylor: I'm never by myself. Yeah, no, I couldn't. I don't have enough stuff to talk to them about for eight hours a day.
>> Farz: Yeah, guys, like, go get your own lives. Like what? What? Why are you depending on like what? Because I'm mom?
>> Taylor: Because gave birth to you? Because I uphold all your money, Held your. Your literal safety in my hands.
>> Farz: Well, very fun, Taylor. Do we have anything else to sign off with?
>> Taylor: Nope, that's it. Thank you, everyone. Let us know if you have any ideas or any stories you want to hear.
>> Farz: Sweet. Thanks.
>> Taylor: All.
>> Farz: Right.