True Crime Tuesday (it's Monday) - let's explore the Texas Killing Fields - an expanse of land near Galveston (which is near the ocean) that has been used for decades to drop bodies. Mostly young women who were vulnerable, the stories are tragic. The murderers are terrifying in their ability to evade police (like getting out on bail and just disappearing to Panama). This is part 1!
True Crime Tuesday (it's Monday) - let's explore the Texas Killing Fields - an expanse of land near Galveston (which is near the ocean) that has been used for decades to drop bodies. Mostly young women who were vulnerable, the stories are tragic. The murderers are terrifying in their ability to evade police (like getting out on bail and just disappearing to Panama).
This is part 1!
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Taylor: I'm getting a new mattress because I have a 10 year old
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you. Hello. Hello, Taylor, how are you?
>> Taylor: I'm good. How are you?
>> Farz: I'm doing very, very well. Do you have a good weekend?
>> Taylor: I did. I had a great weekend.
>> Farz: Why are you raising your hand?
>> Taylor: I was, I was making a face, making a gesture and it raised my hand for me. Got it overhand. I had a great weekend. My friend Nicole came over. We saw Less than Jake last night. They were great. It was super fun.
>> Farz: That's awesome. It was a good weekend.
>> Taylor: Yeah. How about you?
>> Farz: It was good weather here is absolutely. It's just phenomenal. Like days like this, it's just like you want to be outside the entire time and so got a lot of that in. I was just telling you that I was doing some metro shopping because I have like a 10 year old mattress and it's one of those sleep number ones. And do you know those work?
>> Taylor: Well, it stresses me out because it feels like, you know how I feel about the eye doctor, how I feel like there is not enough science involved and it's mostly based on my opinion. I feel that way about sleep number mattresses. Like how the do. I don't have a four or nine.
>> Farz: That's a. That's really good perspective on it actually.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it actually stresses me out and I don't want to. That makes me not want to go.
>> Farz: Well, the reason why I have to get a new mattress because sleepover beds are all. They're air mattresses. They're like fancy air mattresses. It's just like, they just fill up with air in the middle. But it won't hold that air forever. Eventually it's going to have leaks. I've been waking up on these slats of my bed four times a night, every night for the past like three weeks. And I'm really rocky all the time.
>> Taylor: Oh, that's terrible.
>> Farz: And so yeah, I will say about
>> Taylor: our mattress that we have is if you laid on my side and Juan's side, my side is noticeably lower because I have probably slept in it twice as much as he has because I like nap and I go to bed earlier than him and like all the things, which is pretty funny.
>> Farz: At least you're still not on the ground though.
>> Taylor: No, stay on the ground. Sounds terrible.
>> Farz: Yeah. So. So anyways, that was my weekend trying to sort that palm out. I'm really, really looking forward to a night where I can Sleep all the way through and not have to re air the mattress.
>> Taylor: It's terrible. I mean I've been on an air mattress where you wake up on the floor and that's always awful.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: Or like when the person next to you gets up and you slam into the floor.
>> Farz: Not fun. Not fun. So yeah, in the middle of that process. But yeah, that was my weekend.
Doomed to Fail brings you historical disasters and failures
Taylor, do you want to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yes. Hello everyone. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And today we have a story from first.
>> Farz: Yes, I actually teased my story to Taylor. I don't actually think we reported the tease of the story, but I'm gonna be doing. Yeah, you don't remember?
>> Taylor: I don't think we did either.
>> Farz: Got it. Okay, well, this is, this one's gonna be a two parter and this one's gonna be like a little bit like I had to like think a lot in terms of how I kind of structure this. So I'm gonna go into details here in a minute. I'm gonna be. And also it's topical because it was in the news recently. So that's why I'm going over this topic. I'm going to be discussing the Texas killing fields, which. Have you heard of this, Taylor?
>> Taylor: I feel like. Yes, but tell me more. I mean, obviously you're going to tell me more.
>> Farz: I'm going to be telling you a lot.
>> Taylor: Yes, I know everything. So let's just cut this off right now. Thank you everybody for listening.
>> Farz: Thank you everyone. Please join us next week. Yeah, we're going to call, we're going to go over the text killing field also. You know, obviously it's a ripoff of the Cambodian killing fields, which I went through a little side quests in the middle of this and man, we got to cover that at some point. Yeah, you know that one, right?
>> Taylor: Yeah, that sounds terrible.
>> Farz: Yeah. Okay.
Texas is 70% larger than California is by land mass
But this one's parted to the US we're going to cover this one. So what does the term Texas killing fields refer to? So a little bit of a geography lesson. In case anybody doesn't know. Texas is like really big. Like really, really big. It's a huge, huge state.
>> Taylor: Like if you drive through it, it takes several days.
>> Farz: I didn't realize this, but I looked it up. It's 70%, almost 70% larger than California is by land mass. It's like crazy big.
>> Taylor: I mean it's bigger than like most countries.
>> Farz: It's bigger than most countries. You can fit the like, I think I looked it up. I was like, you can fit like 15 of the smallest states inside of Texas.
>> Taylor: I'm looking it up. It's larger than like everybody. Every country in Europe.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: It's twice the size of Germany. It's three times the size of the uk. So yeah, it's huge.
>> Farz: We're winning. So because it's so big, even today, much less in the timeline that the time period I'm be talking about it is, there's huge swaths of it that are just like very sparsely populated. And because it covers such a huge landmass, it's got a weird ecology. So, like there's like marshes and swamps, but deserts and mountains. Like, it's got a whole host of things that are going on within it. It's really cool. So why that? The reason why that's important is because there are parts of Texas that are. You just don't want to be with someone you don't want to be around there with. Because nobody's going to hear you screaming. That's the entire point.
>> Taylor: Absolutely. My husband and his mom, when they drove from New York to la, when we moved here, they got the car, like, broke down in the middle of Texas and they just like a horror movie, like, went to a. Went to like, a place and the guy was like, oh, I can do it tomorrow. And they're like, we're gonna go. And they just like left with like, the car almost dying. And like, we have to le. Because if we don't go to a bigger city, we're going to die here.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah. There's a reason why Texas Chainsaw Massacre works so well in Texas. It wouldn't work in the middle of, like, New York City.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Texas Killing fields is a stretch of land between Houston and Galveston
>> Farz: Anyways, so the Texas Killing fields is a stretch of land between Houston and Galveston on the I45 corridor, where over the course of about 35 years, roughly 34 girls and very, very young women have been murdered between 1971 and 2006. So the highest concentration of bodies were in the fields and marshes surrounding League City, which is smack dab between Houston and Galveston. This is swampland. Like I said, the ecology of Texas is really interesting. Like, it's just swamps like Galveston. Like, it's on the water. It's. It's. Galveston Bay flows in into tributaries that are all along the city coastlines, like in League City, for example. So back in the day, like the 1970s, League City is where you'd move if you wanted to live in Galveston, but just were priced out of it. So it wasn't like, you're not going to find like, rich Doctors there, you know what I mean? Like, it's going to have a whole vibe to it. Back then, the population of League city was around 10,000 people. And it's obviously grown a lot since then. But the point being that when it all started, it was just like a large, swampy, desolate, sparsely populated part of Texas, which is like pretty good if you're trying to kill a bunch of people and get rid of their corpses somehow.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I mean, like, I live next to a giant desert where I'm sure there's just like a ton of dead bodies buried.
>> Farz: Oh, I'm. Yeah, of course.
The 1970s saw 12 murders and the 1980s saw 13 more
So like I said, we're gonna go, we're gonna break this up into a two parter. Researching this. I'm just gonna be blunt with you here. Researching was kind of a pain in the a**. The reason was that all media narratives around this just break it down into like, who the victims are and then who's who. The suspects, the people who were convicted for, were like, it's. It's not. Because it's not one person, you know, like, it's just. It's just like a place, this vortex of evil that a bunch of crazy people did a bunch of crazy stuff in, but it's not one person. So, like, it's hard to like put a narrative spin completely on it. Actually broke all this down to like spreadsheets to try and figure out exactly when victims went missing, who was, who was suspected versus convicted versus what happened to them. Like it was a whole, whole little thing. It's. It's an incomplete story for the record, just to be totally blunt about it. And I broke down like four parts. Why? Number one, we didn't know who some of the victims were until pretty recently, which means a lot of like, the physical evidence was lost. So tying the right suspects, the right victim was impossible. Two confessions have been recanted that we're going to go through here in a minute. Three suspects have died. And for the connection between suspects and victims were circumstantial at best in a lot of cases because a lot of these things happened in the 1970s and the science wasn't really that good back then. You know, that was like this era when it was like, well, she was wearing a red shirt and they found a red piece of strand in the car. So it must have been that that's who did it, you know, like, that's. Yeah, the science going on back then. So in part one, today we're going to go over like the first book third of the killings and we're going to cover the 1970s through the early 1980s and go into detail over two of the perpetrators. Well, the suspected perpetrators will pick up on the second half with the victims in the 1980s to the 2000s, because that story goes a lot faster. Because there's a lot of dense stuff that happened in the 70s when I guess people just hitchhiked a lot more. And so was.
>> Taylor: It feels so easy to get murdered in the 70s, but it's also so
>> Farz: easy not to get murdered. Just don't hitchhike.
>> Taylor: You know, we talked about hitchhiking for a long time ago, and our friend Henry was like, I did in Europe, and it was fine or whatever. Yeah.
>> Farz: And he's a braver man than I am.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So in 1971 alone, eight girls went missing and were killed in the area. Just in 1971. The 1970s in total saw 12 murders here in the 1980s, there were like 13 more. So that's like 25 murders in about 17 years, give or take. Of those 13 murders. Sorry. Of those 13 murders have never had a suspect, much less conviction. There were eight where a suspect was identified but not convicted, at least not for murder. They were. They were convicted for other things potentially. And in four cases, there were convictions. But later on, it was discovered that police were doing shady things and you couldn't really trust those convictions. So, yeah, that's kind of where we're at. So basically that leaves us with two convictions that aren't suspicious. Out of 25 murders is the kind of numbers that we're looking at right now. So I'm going to start in chronological order again. I, like, kind of just like table this across, like, because, you know, it was like 1970s murder. Someone's caught in 1990. Like, it's. It's a really messy thing, but I'm gonna start in chronological order with the focus being on the suspects or the people who are like, suspect are convicted of the crime. As part of telling the story of what happened, I thought about starting with the victims, but it's just like the exact same story repeated 25 times. Like, it's just, you know, it's like somebody with hiding. They were caught, they were killed. Like it's the exact same story.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Also, some of these stories will pop back up in part two because there was an arrest made as recently as March of this year, 2026, related to some of the 1980s murders. So this is actually still topical right now.
Edward Bell was never convicted of the six killing field murders, which he was suspected
I'm going to start off with the first suspect, this guy Named Edward Bell. So this guy was an absolute piece of work. Like, take the murders out of the equation, and he's still just human garbage. Like, one of the worst people ever. For what it's worth, he was never convicted of the six killing field murders, which he was suspected of doing, but he still ended up dying in prison. He has the distinction of being the first Texan to make an appearance on America's Most Wanted while he was evading arrest for a murder he committed that was unrelated to the killing Fields. So he was. He was a killer no matter what because he did it. Edward did something. He did something. Edward was a college graduate who seemed to be, like, doing pretty well in life and seemed pretty normal. He went to Texas A and M, which is like a pretty good school here.
>> Taylor: Career.
>> Farz: He was married, and when he started out his career, he was a diver. So he was a professional diver doing that later on.
>> Taylor: What do you mean? What kind of diver?
>> Farz: Like, going to lakes and, like, help, like, finding things or teaching people how to dive or.
>> Taylor: Got it.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's not that.
>> Taylor: Is it by the ocean?
>> Farz: Yeah. I mean, it's Galveston. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Okay, I didn't know that.
>> Farz: Yeah, sorry. Galveston is by Galveston Bay, which opens up to the Gulf of America or Mexico, depending on.
>> Taylor: Yeah, okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Farz: That's right. So he was a diver before he moved on to pharmaceutical sales. His first arrest, which would become a pattern for him, was in 1966 when he was caught exposing himself to children and sent to a psych ward for treatment. He was released three years. He was released from that, and then three years later, he was caught doing the exact same thing to another child. He was again sent for psychiatric treatment, which I think at this point, you can kind of say it's not working. During that time. He met his second wife when he was 30, and she was 17 years old. She was also in the psych ward of this hospital.
>> Taylor: So doesn't sound like. Yeah, consent to that.
>> Farz: He's not doing normal people things at this point.
>> Taylor: No, that sounds bad.
>> Farz: He would continue on after getting married, after getting released. Exposing himself like this is just. It's what he does. Like, it's like, I don't know, like, you getting a slushy at Sonic. It's like that. That's kind of his hobby, you know, he should stop get slushies.
>> Taylor: I get Diet Cokes with a little ice in their.
>> Farz: Ice is the best in the song.
>> Taylor: You can buy a bag of ice. Is that you're going to tell me?
>> Farz: Okay. That's what we're going to tell you. Thank you.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So in 1978, he was again exposing himself to children when a man named Larry Dean Dickens saw him doing this. He accosted Edward, grabbed his car keys, and prevented ren him from escaping while they waited for the police to arrive. Wow. Edward pulled out a gun, shot Larry Dean in the stomach. Larry stumbled to the floor, and then Edward stood over him and fired another shot into his head. The police caught him. Obviously, after he did this, he was put. He had a bail of $125,000, and he bailed out. He was able to actually bail out on the $125,000. He skipped bail and made his way through Central America down to Panama, where he worked under an alias as a diaper, which is what he was doing. Anyways. This is a fun little fact. Go ahead.
>> Taylor: I have a lawyer question for you.
>> Farz: Yeah, shoot.
>> Taylor: Why would you even allow bail for this? Like, what is the point of bail?
>> Farz: I have no idea. I have no idea what I. It makes no sense to me that somebody who literally stood over someone and shot them in the head would get people there.
>> Taylor: Obviously, like, they saw it.
>> Farz: It's not like his mom saw it. He was by his house. He actually stumbled into his mom's garage after. Got shot in the stomach. And the guy walked into the guy's mom's garage to shoot him in the head.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I feel like. I don't know. I'm not a judge, but I feel like no bill would be, like, the good thing to go.
>> Farz: I know there was a period when we were living in California where they were trying to revoke the need for cash bill, saying it was, like, unequal, and I was like, no, increase cash bills. Like, yeah, the opposite of what you should be doing.
>> Taylor: I think that. Yeah, I think especially in a case where, like, a billion billion witnesses.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah.
Edward Dean confessed to murdering seven teenage girls between 1971 and 1977
Well, fun fact Here is, in 1992, Unsolved Mysteries aired an episode about this murder with.
>> Taylor: I watched it, like, 10 out of 10. I watched that in my living room as a child.
>> Farz: Can you guess which famous Texan played Larry Dean in this?
>> Taylor: Oh, I can't. I can't think of any Texans right now.
>> Farz: Matthew McConaughey.
>> Taylor: Oh, that's cool. I should have.
>> Farz: Yeah, that's fun.
>> Taylor: But it's a fun fact.
>> Farz: Yeah, that was. Yeah. Nobody Knew who Matthew McConaughey was, but he played Larry Dean in the reenactment of this murder. My God.
>> Taylor: Fun.
>> Farz: So someone in Panama recognized him and reported to the police in 1993, 14 years after he went on the lamb, he was arrested, found guilty of the murders or the murder of Larry Dean, and sentenced to 70 years in prison. In 2011, it was revealed by retired Galveston homicide detective that while Edward was incarcerated, he confessed to murdering seven teenage girls in the area between 1971 and 1977. Nothing he stated in his confession letters indicated any like, special knowledge other than the fact that he was aware of these girls being killed in the area. So no further attempt was really made to prosecute him. And in 2019, he died of heart failure while he was incarcerated. So we don't know for sure, but it's kind of weird that he just like was volunteering this information on his own. So it was also worth noting that when he was in Panama, he was also suspected by the Panamanian police of murdering four girls while he was there. So like, Jesus, there's some stuff that's kind of lining up, but not entirely.
>> Taylor: I mean, that's wild.
>> Farz: Two of the girls he had seemingly confessed to killing were Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw. We're gonna cover their story. And a person who was ultimately convicted of their murder. The only two of the 12 that occurred in the six year span. So there's two convictions for murder that happened out of the 12 that happened in this time period. And those are these two. And there, there's a super, super sus. So I'm gonna, so pay attention to this one.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: Rhonda Johnson and Sharon Shaw were 13 to 14 years old on August 4th of 1971. The two had made their way from their home in Webster, Texas to Galveston beach, which is roughly a 30 mile distance. I researched trying to figure out how a 13 year old went 30 miles in a day. And I can only assume it was hitchhiking. Like there was no details about anything that happened that day. And I just gotta assume they hitchhiked.
>> Taylor: I'm sure they did. There's, there's no way. There's no that or like a bus, but like probably that.
>> Farz: Probably that, yeah. They were last seen walking alongside the beach on Seawall at Boulevard in Galveston. And that was it. Like there's no details about anything that was going on that day. It would be four months later when two boys were fishing in Clear Lake, which is literally like right there next to Webster. It's in, it's in Webster when they came across a human skull. A police investigation ensued and after six more weeks, the, the bodies of Rhonda and Sharon were discovered in this marsh swamp area in Clear Lake.
>> Taylor: Poor babies.
>> Farz: Police started asking the public for help in identifying the events that took place leading up to their discovery. And. And they received a tip from the local, a local city councilman telling them they should look into this 23 year old local gas station attendant named Michael Lloyd Self. If you're wondering how and why a city councilman got involved, it's because Rhonda's grandfather was himself a prominent city councilman. And so I think there was like a lot of stuff going on. They actually hired the two people we're going to reference here as investigators to come in and investigate this. So they actually. The grandfather seemed to have a lot of poll and had a lot riding on them catching someone obviously as his granddaughter. Obviously he had a, he had an interest in that. But it was like, it feels more heavy handed than just like find the right guy that did this. And you're going to understand why I say that in a minute.
>> Taylor: So this wasn't the first guy you talked. Talked about?
>> Farz: No.
>> Taylor: You're done talking about him.
>> Farz: We're not. We're not. Because Edward confessed to killing these two.
>> Taylor: Got it.
>> Farz: This is a weird windy story. It's gonna like bleed into a lot of different things.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: I bolded a bunch of things in my spreadsheet to show where the overlaps were, but this was one of the bulls in terms of that overlap. Actually we're not done talking about these two like at all today. Like they're also going to come up next time we record because there's. The more recent person that was found and arrested is also related to these two murders.
>> Taylor: So of these girls or the, these girls or these two murderers?
>> Farz: No, these two girls.
>> Taylor: Oh, okay.
>> Farz: Yeah. That's what the overlap here is. Again, I'm trying to like find the right narrative format for this. And it was like it was the, the linchpin was Edward and then this guy because they are all kind of tied to these two. Murder happened in the 70s.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: So the city councilman tells the police, go look at this guy, Michael Self. And Michael Self wasn't a gem. He was a known town pervert and sex offender. So like he was Jesus. One of those.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: They looked into him and brought him in for questioning. And during interrogation, Self confessed to killing Rhonda and Sharon. He was told by the chief of police to write out a confession.
Edward Bell confessed to killing two girls, but later retracted his confession
Long story short, he goes to trial, gets convicted, sentenced to life in prison. That's, that's, that's his part of the story. Here's where things get weird though. First Off Edward. In the first story, Edward Bell confessed to killing these two. Okay, now you have this guy confessingly killing these two. Self, Michael Self, retracted his statement of his confession. He took back his confession and told whoever that would listen that he was coerced by the police into confessing. He also got numerous details wrong about the girls and their death. He had the locations wrong, the dates, what they were wearing, all of it. Like, I think at one point he said that he picked them up from their house or something. He just. He was. It sounded like somebody was making stuff
>> Taylor: up on the fly or being, like, forced to.
>> Farz: We'll put a pin in that. He would make several more confessions about the crime over the next couple of days, each of which something would be different. Like, he would forget, like, what he said in the first one and say something different than the next one. The next will be different than the previous one, so on and so forth. In 1976, the Galveston Police chief, the guy I told you they brought in, Don Harris, or. Sorry, Don, Let me restart. In 1976, the Galveston Police chief, the team I told you they brought in the city council, brought in guy named Don Morris, and then his deputy, a guy named Tommy Deal, were arrested after an internal affairs investigation revealed that they had, in fact, beaten and tortured detainees. This occurred during the course of another investigation into numerous bank robberies over the course of four year. Four years where Morrison Deal were actively robbing banks in town while the police chief and the deputy.
>> Taylor: What? How? No one knew who they were.
>> Farz: I can't believe this wasn't a movie. Like, I guess there were no cameras in the 1970s, so nobody knew anything.
>> Taylor: Like, I'm picturing them just, like, wearing their outfit, their uniform, and then it,
>> Farz: like, says their name on it, Right?
>> Taylor: But then, like, maybe like a mask, you know, like a Nixon mascot and
>> Farz: being like, mustache, mustache, glasses.
>> Taylor: You may think that I look like the chief of police, but you'd be wrong.
>> Farz: I was deliberately. I'm trying to explain him. That's why. That's why I look like this.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: So these two are arrested on it. The chief of police gets 55 years in prison. The other, the deputy, gets 30 years in prison.
>> Taylor: Did they get bail?
>> Farz: So they actually. They got paroled. They actually did not serve their full term. They got paroled. I don't remember how long they served, but they did get paroled.
>> Taylor: Interesting.
>> Farz: Then a few years later in. In 1980, a random guy whose name is nowhere because nothing happened about this, walked into the police station and confessed to killing Rhonda and Sharon and volunteered information that had deliberately been kept from the public.
>> Taylor: Okay.
>> Farz: It's like, how did you know that? How did you know? How did you know these random details?
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: He even knew the two due to the fact that he lived in the same apartment complex as one of them used to when she went missing. And despite all this, he was never taken into custody. And Michael stuff was never paroled or attempted to be retried. He eventually. So now we have three suspects, right? Like in this case, we have. We have the first guy. We have the confession from this guy who was beaten by the cops who go to prison for armed robbery.
>> Taylor: Right. I believe that guy was a perf. I don't believe it. He killed those girls.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. And he ultimately died of cancer, incarcerated in December of 2000. And after his death, the Harris County DA's office, the county in which Houston is in, came out saying they expressed their doubts over his guilt at all over this. But it's like, okay, thanks, that's great. A posthumous acquittal is the best kind of acquittal.
>> Taylor: At least he got health care for that cancer.
>> Farz: I'm sure it was great. So that's.
We're going to cover the stories of victims of the Texas killing
I'm going to pause here because there's a lot more that we're going to go into in part two. It's going to be insane. We're going to cover the stories of victims of the Texas killing. So from the 80s to the 2000s, which will include a NASA scientist that police think is a secret killer, a known serial killer operating in the area, and the most recent suspect in the case, which was arrest, who was arrested on March 31st of 2026. We're also going to do a little side quest because one of the missing girls, her father ended up founding a nonprofit to find missing people called Texas Equisearch. And he took part in situations like Casey Anthony and Natalie Holloway. So there's a lot tying into this.
>> Taylor: I feel like I read the. I read the book about the Equisearch people.
>> Farz: Yeah, I read the book. His daughter was one of them. Yeah, his daughter was.
>> Taylor: Yeah, let's.
>> Farz: I think it was Laura Miller. Let me find my spreadsheet here. Yeah, there it is. Laura Miller. So she went missing in 1984, and her suspected killer is one of the serial killers. We're going to be discussing this guy named Clyde Edwin Hedrick. We got a lot to cover. We still got to cover Clyde Edwin Hedrick, James Dol, Elmore Mark Stalling, Kevin Edison Smith and William Lewis Reese. So we got A. We got a ways to go. Wow, there's a lot of dead people here. This is 34 people between 71 and 2006. So yeah, we have ways to go.
>> Taylor: That's wild. What, how big of an area are we talking about?
>> Farz: You know What? It said 25 acres, but I don't. I, I did a lot of like mapping on it. I'm like, I, I don't think that's 25 acres. That's got to be like thousands of acres. And it's also distributed because there's, there's like bodies found in different parts of it. Who we talked about today was smack dab in the middle of Houston to Galveston. So that's about 60 miles. All this happened around Webster, which is right there in the middle, about 30 miles off Galveston Bay. So.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a decent distance. Not, I mean it's not crazy. It's 60 miles but still like, I
>> Taylor: mean, that's a lot. Is there a high, a highway through it?
>> Farz: Yeah, i45.i45 cuts all the way through. Yeah, that's what, that's what I would take for example, if I'm trying to get there.
>> Taylor: Got it, got it.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah. So we're going to cover. The NASA scientist thing is going to be really fun. He adds a real fun little, little random side, side detour to this whole thing.
>> Taylor: But remember that one, that one astronaut who like tried to kill her, the other astronaut's wife?
>> Farz: I wonder what happened to her.
>> Taylor: And she like drove across the country with a diaper and that was like the part that you remember?
>> Farz: That's the only part you remember?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Did we uncover her at some point?
>> Taylor: I don't think so, but we can. I mean, we should. I mean, I think. Oh, I think, I feel like when that happened I was like, I think the answer is that space makes you crazy. Like just like turns you into a f****** crazy person.
>> Farz: We could do, we could do one where we do a multi parter on NASA. Scientists who committed crimes. Yes, we should do that jet propulsion guy. Also nuts.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it's. That last podcast is like a really a long thing on that guy.
>> Farz: Yeah, that guy was also nuts.
>> Taylor: Yeah. Yeah. I was just telling the kids how delighted I am whenever I remember that when NASA first started, they called it the NASA. I just love it. Seriously, like my favorite fact. Yeah, isn't that adorable?
>> Farz: I did not know that.
>> Taylor: And then they were like, oh, this actually sounds better as a whole a word. But calling it the NASA is Really, really fun.
>> Farz: It sounds like a spy agency when you put it that way.
>> Taylor: Isn't it? It sounds so much cooler. I mean, and it still is cool. Doing cool right now.
>> Farz: Yeah. So, yeah, we used to go to the. Oh, man, I can't remember. I keep wanting to say Cape Canaveral. I know it's not, but the Houston space Station. We used to do trips there all the time. That was, like, our family vacation. Yeah.
>> Taylor: We saw Project Hail Mary. I don't know if you've seen it yet, but it's great.
>> Farz: It's pretty good. It's very long. And my.
I liked it a lot. I deliberately avoid movies that make me feel things
And I wasn't expecting to get emotional, and I don't like being emotional. And when I fell in love with the rock monster, I was like, I hate that y' all made me feel things. I deliberately avoid movies that make me feel things. And y' all did it.
>> Taylor: Wow. That's a lot. I. I read it before, so I knew I wanted. I made the kids. I made everyone wait to watch it until I read it. But, yeah, I liked it a lot. I'm going to see the Mario movie tonight.
>> Farz: That should be good. I'm gonna go see Hokum.
>> Taylor: I don't know what that is.
>> Farz: It is. It's being touted as the scariest movie of 2026.
>> Taylor: Ooh, tell me more.
>> Farz: Well, it's. It's. I don't think it's actually out yet. There's, like, a special release that Alma
>> Taylor: was doing with Adam. What's his face.
>> Farz: Scott.
>> Taylor: Scott.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I saw the preview, and it looked scary. That's exciting.
Daniel Shepherd wrote to me about a musical called across the Universe
>> Farz: Well, Taylor, do we have any lists for mail?
>> Taylor: I feel like I do somewhere, and I can't find it. But I did want to say that this week was two of our besties birthdays. It was Morgan's birthday, and it was my husband's birthday. So thank you both Juan Carlos and Morgan, for listening to our show. We appreciate you.
>> Farz: I have one list from y', all, Daniel Shepherd. Thank you, Daniel, for consistently listening. Did write to me saying, if you like the Beatles, this is a good musical. And he linked me out to a movie called across the Universe.
>> Taylor: Oh, Nadine said that she likes and Juliet, which I have heard about as well, and that one has a bunch of, like, 2,000 songs in it. But I. But it also feels like that seems as a little like Glee. It's a jukebox musical, so maybe that's what around or across whatever the universe is too. Like a segment, like songs in and out. But, you know, the songs, which is fun.
>> Farz: That would be fun. Okay. I could actually get into it. Yeah.
>> Taylor: I think that that could make it. That could make it better for you. Maybe that that's what the. Was it across the universe would be too, because you know the Beatles songs. So you'd be like, okay, it doesn't feel like, as weird that they're, like, seeing something else.
>> Farz: Okay, we'll go ahead and cut it off there. Apologies for the rambling. Thank you. Please write to us.
>> Taylor: We have to go.
>> Farz: I'm going to cut this off.