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It is truly a tragedy that these two names are tied together in history! 🎧 Dive into the glitz, glamour, and tragedy of the fashion world with our latest episode on the shocking murder of Gianni Versace. This week, we explore the life and legacy of the iconic designer, the circumstances leading up to his assassination, and the nationwide manhunt for his killer, Andrew Cunanan. Join us as we unravel the mystery and impact of this tragic event. 🕶️🕵️♂️
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hello it's Taylor from doomed to fail each week we bring you stories of history's most epic failures and
notorious disasters and this week we are doing a re-release of episode 25 part
two about Andrew conanan and Giani Versace they didn't ever really know
each other I mean they maybe met once but Andrew Canan is an absolute nut job and he is someone
who really thought he belonged in like high society and weird way and Johnny
versace's image and and look kind of got in the way of that and he ended up going on a murder spree that's way more
complicated than I realized and it ends in killing Johnny Versace in Miami um
since this episode first aired last year the last packast on the left I think
they did theirs after ours and theirs is super good obviously like much longer so you can always listen to theirs as well
and there's the TV show The American um crime story about about it too so wild
story I remember when it happened um it was really like a totally out of Noor thing that happened
in the news so learn a little bit more about the Seedy underbelly of of Miami in this week's re-release
episode in a matter of the people of State of California versus orthal James Simpson case number ba0 9 and so my
fellow Americans ask not what your country can
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country really really good um I recommend it nice nice very cool well we
will transition over to the True Crime side of the story and like I said I'm
going to be partially Miami but that's not like the end all Beall of where this
all this originated it's just where this culminated in the way that it's most famously remembered Taylor have you ever been to Miami yes what did you think it
was fine it was humid I think I went a leaving spot from for a cruise what's it called like a port I did like a
Caribbean cruise so I think we we drove down to Florida because my friend Lonnie is were're giving her mom's car to her
uncle so we like drove the car to the uncle in Miami and then then we flew home after the cruise nice nice yeah
Port of Miami that's where all like basically every major Cruise Line has a port there it's very very cool you can
drive by on the causeway and see all the ship stocking so cool like I mentioned I lived in Miami and I'll be honest I have
like a weird LoveHate relationship with it because on the one hand I think that if you're out for a Carefree weekend
it's probably one of the best SE in the world to be in just do whatever you want nobody cares if money flows easy do your
thing on the other hand which was my case I was a broke college student I didn't have any money and then when you see all this opulent dis way of wealth
all around you you're just like man I'm a loser no way to compete against these
people rolling around in Lamborghinis um so I remember that picture your Facebook from like 20 years ago where you're in
front of the Lamborghini yeah R like H top yeah yeah that was yeah that was
Miami and one thing that I remember thinking to myself was that I remember going to work like 8:00 in the morning
on like the weekdays and you'd see like the most beautiful people from all around the world just roll blading
around the ocean and you're just like what am I doing for what am I doing here totally that's funny and like the
conclusion I reached was like this is not a place that you come to build yourself up this is a place you come to
after you buildt yourself up that is a lesson that the main antagonist of this story did not learn
he went to Miami and he made a name for himself there so any guess is who I
might be talking about the only thing that I I don't know the name but are is it the guy who killed Versace andw Canon
is that it yeah yeah okay you got me at at he came to Miami with nothing and
tried to build himself up there because that's what I remember from the American Crime Story yeah which I'm going to
discuss at length here so today I'm covering Andrew Andrew cunanan just GNA
call him Andrew because that's kind of tough uh who basically is like a very very emotionally disturbing individual
who did a lot of really really terrible things and the world is better for him being dead so I'm going to start with that per usual with the
people per usual there's no love lost in these stories for you keep going no not at all Andrew has been done to death by
this point and I totally get that but one of the things that I wanted to like focus on in this story was mostly Andrew
himself because really what everybody thinks of is Johnny Versace right and
the Netflix okay so for example you just mentioned it there's an amazing Netflix
what's the guy's name Darren Chris plays Andrew Canon it's awesome it is so well made it's so well done but even that do
you remember what it was called Taylor was it is not is that American Crime Story so it's called that is part of the
title yes oh I don't remember the rest of it it's called the assassination of Johnny vers colon American Crime Story
Okay cool so it's all focused around Versace and like less so around all the
other stuff that was going on with him although they do cover the murders that happened but it's a question like who is this guy and why did he do the things
that he did yeah so that's what I wanted to kind of fall into and one of one of the places I started I actually went
through a pretty indepth research on the Department of Justice and the FBI's websites on classifications of serial
killers versus free Killers because Andrew falls into this weird unique crosssection of True Crime monsters
because he's both like he's kind of both and a lot of sources like the majority
of sources like I would say like 60% to 40% % call him a spree killer whereas 40% call him a serial killer he would
have cooling off periods and then he have periods of just rapid sucession killing a of a bunch of people which is
the Spree right that's the spre several sprees what are you he didn't he had a
spree a cool off and then one murderer okay so so he fits the definition most
so for example he killed five people over the span of three months in total
wow 60 days separate murder one and murder two one day separates murder two
and number three five separate three and murder four in nearly two months
separate four and five so Random yeah yeah me exactly I'll get to like the the
the four and five one because it was like he was just living his life he was doing this thing in Miami like he was having a ruby time like and it was like
what happened like what was the impetus and nobody knows and we're going to make some conjecture here but nobody's really
sure the other thing I kind of dived into on this on the FBI's website had to do with
he didn't really have the same traits as a killer is a Bundy or a gasi or dmer where there was like a sexual impulse
Behind The Killing he would kill out of opportunity an Impulse so when we talk
about serial killers for example we talk about product versus process Killers Andrew was neither he didn't love to
kill which is the process part of a process killer nor did he kill to collect a body to do whatever they're
going to do with which is the product side of a serial killer that we're most familiar with that's one Distinction on the serial killer side it actually goes
further and this is where the Department of Justice kicks in around the classifications that go beyond just product and process which is there's
four other categories there's Visionary Mission oriented hedonistic and power control
oriented as you learn more about Andrew psyche power control seems like the classification that makes the most sense
when trying to understand what his motivations were do you have examples of other ones so visionary
[Music] is for no Visionary actually Mission oriented is one I the best example of
which is like I'm doing this because God told me to do this so anytime like someone kills a bunch of prostitutes it's like you were sinful so I had to do
this for Jesus like that's like the most common one I want to say Visionary was um was John Liss where he just thought
that this was the best thing for his family to kill all of them at once he inis is is like you just like it you
just want to do it because it's just awesome so the the power control piece is the one that fits the bill with Andrew the
most and that was basically getting pleasure out of exerting control over a helpless victim which he did to one guy
really really badly and that's kind of like where we kind of wrap up part of like his his psyche going a little bit
further than that I'm just going to come out and just be a total contrarian and say Andrew was just a total prick I'm
just going to start with it right there they always are he okay this is going to be a little I'm going to get some
backlash on this here reminds me of like every Iranian I grew up with who was just obsessed with like looking amazing
and like how they present themselves in the world like you need to know I'm better than you if you don't know that I'm better than you then what am I doing
like that's exactly the vibe I get off this guy it has been said that he's a
narcissist but he that was never a clinical diagnosis and you know obviously he's dead so we're never going
to actually know what that whether that was true or not it was also said that he had a strong desire to be the center of
a ition Chris Darren actually portrayed him exactly as I read about him which
was just the guys dress the nine and talk about how amazing his life is I wrote down that if he was alive right
now he would be an Instagram influencer who' be buying followers from oversea click Farms like that's the guy we're
talking about he sounds like an Insel like Andrew Tate you know like someone who's like he's he's gay and he got a
lot of play fine yeah he can be insult Vibes but that's fine too it's it's not
that it's a need to along it's a need to be the biggest greatest flashiest star
out there that's where that's where this is right from and incel is like just a shut in right they like nerdy Shu inss
who can't get out and hang with people like that's not what this is this this guy actually got was a little bit too
out there hanging out with people because he actually learned later he legitimately met Johnny Versace like
organically like he was in that crowd to where he could do stuff like that so like I literally just mentioned Andrew
came out as gay in high school school which obviously you know good for him that couldn't have been easy back when
this would have been like the late 1980s and this was obviously not an easy choice because his mom and him got into
a really really serious fight it got physical Andrew basically assaulted her at one point God and he ended up moving
out like he left his family home and moved out and settled in San Francisco in in the Castro District I alluded to
this just now which he had a knack for befriending wealthy older gay men which
I'm going to go with like red flag number one for the older gay men because it was never to their benefit that he was friends with them really Andrew
Wood's basically using these men in leveraging their wealth to live up to his own self-image of himself which
again if you haven't seen the Versace Story on Netflix Chris Darren or Darren Chris plays this guy incredibly well and
that was basically the thing make friends with whoever had the resources and use them up and then dish them move
on to the next guy in 1990 many many many many years before
what ends up happening ends up happening Andrew actually does meet Johnny Versace
which I'm going to do a little bit of a dive into like who he was I know he's been done to death but what the hell we're here already Versace was a fashion
designer who created the luxury brand Versace in 1978 it became a brand for celebrities
because it was like a red carpet thing do you remember JLo's green dress yeah yeah okay so that was Versace the first
big one of these was Elizabeth Hurley wearing like some like really sexy black dress at the Academy Awards and that was
so it just kind of popped off with celebrities and when it pops off with celebrities it pops off with everybody who's trying to be a celebrity yeah it expanded really
quickly into 1500 stores eventually long after Versace Johnny's death it was sold off to Michael Michael K's company who
is the current owner of the brand so I wrote down here that like Johnny Versace
and if you've never seen a picture of this guy go take go take a gander because this guy was a exactly
everything Andrew was faking being yeah an Uber successful incredible wealthy
world-renowned artist designer celebrity and he was gay which like when you look
at it from like your architect like how what can I be in this world like that's who you want to be if you're you're someone like Andrew it was I thought it
was potentially part of the reason why what ends up happening ends up happening is because he was trying to basically
destroy the thing that he could never achieve himself is what I think
personally in 1990 again 7 years before all this went down apparently a was in
San Francisco and met Andrew Andrew would have been 21 years old this time and in the Netflix series this is not
true in the Netflix series it's like super played up how they they were like playing cat and mouse and playing Koy
with each other like it was like a lovers thing like it they went out to dinner in the movie like none of that happened like that's what Andrew told
people happen but the people who were actually there said that's not exactly what happened apparently it there was a split moment where they were passing
each other versan seemed to recognize him and asked if he knew him from a party at his Lake Como estate date and
Andrew said thanks for remembering me and then he was never there for sure so
yeah I was I was like dude hey if you what is a Versace party like like how many drugs
are being just passed around say I was like I don't know I just can't imagine that much cocaine in one spot yeah
exactly it's it's like he probably verace like he just look like a generic guy and it's like oh maybe I know you
from this maybe he was hting on who knows but like it definitely was he definitely wasn't there it could have just been like a random thing to like
play out like look if I if I had a late Como house I would also be asking random girls if I recognize them for my late
Como estate proper 100% I was gonna say on both sides You' be like uh yeah I was there also be like oh hey were you at
that like wonderful beautiful lavage party that I have all the time George cloney was there remember him he was
there hit we he a really comoo party yeah yeah we always we do pranks cuz
he's he's there with us all the time so by early 1997 Andrew had had a few on again off
again relationships that be and had begun using meth and alcohol quite frequently by this point it was kind of
becoming known in the San Francisco gay scene that Andrew was kind of a [ __ ] he had apparently maxed out credit cards
for a couple of these wealthy guys and was basically just supporting himself in between other rich men by just selling
drugs basically and he was just a grifter in general at this time we're going to
introduce two men who become key figures at the start of Andrew's murder SC one
is David Matson who Andrew would later call the love of his life and who lived in Minneapolis the other is Jeffrey
Trail who also lived in Minneapolis and had some involvement with Matson that Andrew did not like they they were
obviously gay as well they're in the same gay scene basically right Andrew flew to Minneapolis on April 24th to
stay with Matson and hang out with Trail at some point it sounds like tril really didn't want Andrew there from the from
everything I read about this it seems like Andrew was one of those guys where like you had to be super Stern when you set boundaries with them otherwise
they're just like habitual line steppers tra even told people that he
really needed to have a serious conversation with Andrew and that Andrew kind of scared him and part of the reason why Andrew scared him was because
TR was one of the people in the San Francisco gay scene that was telling everyone this guy's a grifter he's trying to steal your [ __ ] like that's
all he's in for the in for this and totally news of that apparently got back to Andrew that that tril had done this
Andrew had grown obsessed that trail was also in a relationship with Matson who like I mentioned he called the love of
his life and this freaked trail out because Andrew is a meth addicted alcoholic at
this point so yeah not great on April 26th so two days after he in Minneapolis
he's been staying at madson's house Andrew tells tril to come to madson's apartment because on an earlier visit
that Andrew had gone to tril's house for he had stolen his gun and he wants to give it back to Trail red flag number
two that is like a okay I know you know that I don't like guns that's like another reason not to have a gun is like
someone could steal your gun and no one's going to hand you back you're stolen gun okay okay yeah t like that so
exactly so like that that's why I put red number two if your gun is ever stolen the only way to deal with that is
to call the police and tell them the serial number of that gun and if you know where it is tell them they go get
it you don't go get it you don't go get it no no no no no no no no no you don't meet that guy in a parking lot to and
give it back to you no it's like like what what's the logical like why would
you steal it's not you stole it for a good reason nobody steals a gun for a good reason they steal it to wipe the Cal numbers off it to go kill a homeless
man like that's all you do with a sing gun tril goes to this apartment and as
we see in the Netflix show very accurately portrayed Andrew Beats him to death with a hammer in front of
mson this was an Impulse thing this was not like a calculated deliberate serial
killer this was like he just pissed him off and just like he grabbed the first thing in front of him just bash his skull in and mson was there to see the
whole thing much of his bad luck I think at this point my take on this and
Netflix's take on this was that Matson was basically scared shedless he was like I don't know what to do this guy's unhinged like this guy's out of his mind
he's he's drunk as [ __ ] he's high as [ __ ] like I don't know what to do he just killed the guy with a hammer from my house and he helped him roll tr's
body up in a rug that they then put behind their so the S up so that's I feel like when you were like in the past
episodes you've been like would you help someone hide a body you know but I feel like this is the case where I'd be like
so scared of this person that I just saw kill someone I wouldn't be like excuse
me I want to call the police you know I feel like there's definitely a chance I'd be like cool cool cool cool cool cool cool let's body you know like you
don't you don't want to die so hey I'm in this with you man I'm in this with you we're gonna be fine let's roll this body up together let's chop it up you
want to chop it up we can chop it up I got I got a hacksaw yeah yeah you do not want to confront a guy in your house in
in this state no Matson stopped going to work because he just witnessed a man get Beat to
Death In His kitchen with a hammer so that raised some alarm bells and a cooworker decided to go to matson's
house and check on him at which point he finds trell's body at that point Andrew and Matson already hit the road and they
taken matson's Jeep to flee the scene essentially so for several days police
try to find the two of them and basically there's a bunch of leads coming in people saw them here they had dinner at this place whatever they would
see them all over the place they they didn't catch them completely because on May 3rd manon's body was found near Rush
City which is about an hour north of Minneapolis Andrew had shot him with a gun he stole from Trail and th th thrown
his body out of the car that's number two which like okay there's no cell phones like maybe when you're at a diner
you just run away I don't know I don't know what you do blame that guy I mean we already like like we know about it so
like something happened yeah yeah the same day that police find madson's Body Andrew arrives in Chicago
in the now stolen Jeep and he arrives at the home of Lee Milan Milan I think Mig
L okay Lee's a really curious one again there's some conflict here between what
Netflix says and what people think but basically Lee was a super rich real
estate Tycoon he had a net worth of $50 million at the time that he died and again Lee was like a 72-year-old
married married man of 40 years with two kids Nobody Knows Why Andrew went to
this guy's house there's no evidence of why he would have pinpointed this house
to actually drive to and knock on the door there was no force entry there's none of that Lee's family finds it
really really insulting that people suggest they knew each other because the assumption is that Lee was living a
secret life doing gay things on the side of being like this real estate Tycoon
executive Netflix made the editorial decision that they for sure had a relationship they had a relationship
that's the reason why Andrew knocked on that guy's door that night the one indication that this wasn't kind of like
a run-of-the-mill murder for Andrew was the way he killed him so again you have
a beating to death with a hammer you have a shot to death in the back of the head in this case he tied up Lee's legs
and arms and his body was wrapped in tape in plastic his ribs have been
completely broken and he'd been stabbed either 40 or 20 times depending on the
source that you look at in his chest ultimately he was killed because
Andrew took a hacksaw to his throat like almost decapitating
him oh you didn't know him so that's the thing it's like why would you do
something that insane to a total stranger it's a that's why people are
like we think think he knows him but we're not sure there were some some stories that were told where Andrew had
told people that he had he knew a rich family in Chicago whose uh kid was named
Duke and Lee has a kid named Duke and so okay people like how would they have
even mix and the family themselves like the only way they could have mixed would have been a gay Bond a gay relationship
and that's and to them they're like of course that's not the case our dad was like you know married to my mom and like
who knows who that like did yeah that's just that's so weird yeah yeah I don't
even know this makes a sense okay so Andrew ditches the Jeep uh madson's Jeep
outside outside of Lee's house and steals his Lexus and at this point
Andrew gets put on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list so six days later Andrew
would shoot a guy named William Reese he managed a cemetery just went up to him and shot him in the back of the head and
he stole the the the stolen jeep was found outside of Lee's house so he
needed another car he ended up stealing uh William Reese's vehicle some red Chevy truck or something this was on May
9th that he did this so he only killed him for the truck there was no connection there was no there was no
stealing of money or anything like that it was just for the truck using Reese's vehicle Andrew drove to Miami Florida
and rented a hotel room he basically just lived in Miami for about two months out in the open despite being on the
FBI's top 10 most wanted list again it's Miami's a great place to escape everybody's running away from something everybody's no no one really gives a
[ __ ] yeah in 1992 Johnny Versace had purchased a mansion called Kasa
casuarina I think I nailed that it is now more commonly known as
the Versace Mansion it is located on the main drag of South Beach which is called Ocean Drive only because I knew you
would ask this tailor I did Zillow it oh you did and it's expensive so the
current estimated value is $36 million what was that wait was that address again the yep wrote that down too it's
1116 Ocean Drive okay bamby Beach right yep so I do want to tell you that I
looking this up did you are you going to get to the fact that two men were murdered in a murder suicide there in
2021 what no I'm just I just I just linked to I founded a van a Vanity Fair
article called two men found dead in the Versace Mansion um said police are still investigating this was from July 15th
2021 but it was a day ahead of the of the 25th annivers or the 24th anniversary of Race's murder there were
two men 31-year-old Adam rash up of Randol New Jersey and 30-year-old Alexander gross of York Pennsylvania
were found dead by gunshot R wounds so I don't know if it was is said potentially murder suicide potentially double
suicide but ghost in that house yeah I mean a million dollar house it is it is
look at the pictures of this thing like I was trying to put it into ways I could describe it and really the only way I could describe it is if you've ever seen
like versace's style of clothing that he designed the house just looks like
versace's house exactly the' be like oh it looks like oh wow it has like a big
open courtyard in the middle yeah like your eyes don't even know where to look there's gold trimmed there's detailed
tile mosaics if you look at the pool that's called the million Mosaic pool because there's literally a million
tiles being used to create the m there's columns statues pools it's just
opulent in a way that would be super distasteful if anybody anybody but a fashion designer live there it would be
dis wow it's a lot so I'm going to start with red flag number three and red flag
number three is the mansion itself I've never been inside the Mansion when I was living in Miami but it's almost
impossible to be in Miami and not drive or walk by it Ocean Drive the street
that it's on is where all the restaurants and bars of South Beach Ron and a lot of the clubs it is the street
closest to the most beautiful white sand beaches Florida has to offer to drive
the point home of how publicly located this H this Mansion is if you street view the address again 116 Ocean Drive
you won't see the house you know why you won't see the house Taylor because of offence because there is a giant Miami
tour bus stopped in bumper-to-bumper traffic blocking the Google Maps car from taking a picture of the house
that's how packed this thing is and that's how not private this thing was someone listed they initially listed the
house for sale for $125 million when the first and ended up selling for $41 million so they really
overestimated the amount of money that they're putting for sale for this house it also is I love also a thing about
Zillow that I love is they do the rent estimate the rent's estimate is $196,000 a month sounds about right so
right now Taylor it's actually a hotel and the and it is um it got converted into a so it it has a really rich
history if you look at the house the house was created by an air to the Standard Oil fortune and then transition
into a hotel then Versace bought and converted back to a house then it went back to a hotel then it got conveyed
again at $41 million is what you're reading there oh it's the Villa ca cas
casarina now yeah I think they're trying to everybody knows the history they don't need need to rub it in with like
calling it the Versace Mansion you know we should stay there and then also at
Lizzie Borden's house so like I was actually kind of surprised like okay $900 a night is a lot but it's on a
Friday Saturday in Miami directly like that's as much as a fountain blue in
Miami would be and you're staying in like the most pristine property in the city so I don't know I don't know
price-wise I thought it was like actually fairly reasonable for what it was going back to the red flag so what I'm saying is that if you are a certain
social class that the entire world wishes they were a part of just be a little bit more elusive than literally having the most obvious home in the
world in the most public place in the world yeah so I get it so for some
reason that nobody can really makes sense of on July 15th 1997 Versace walked from his front door
to a news stand and on his way back at AG 45 a.m. he is very very publicly shot
in the head by Andrew at the entrance of his house again no clue why that was the day that was a time that was again he
was living his life in Miami like doing his thing that's why I don't get up before 9: I hate the mornings your point
dangerous you're absolutely right yeah what's weird is that every other murder
he tries to evade things right like he steals the car he goes to a different city he does whatever and like I said he
just mostly living a normal life in Miami so like why this guy why at this time is so elusive obviously at this
point Versace died immediately and the public act because it was so public people gave Chase to Andrew police were
immediately in the area and a Manhunt began they called it the biggest man hun in American history at that time but we
don't I I don't know I didn't go through and Google if that was accurate or not the day after the murder a boat owner at
a marina nearby in South Beach called the police and said somebody had broken into a boat at at the marina like a next
door boat or something police really didn't care they didn't really show up they didn't really think that much of it it wasn't until a week later so on July
2 third when uh house boat sitter so basically people who check on boats when the owners aren't using them visited a
boat and found the door was open and it looked like somebody had been living there though the caretaker at that point
knew that the actual owners of the house boat hadn't been there since December of the previous
year so the caretaker then recalls hearing a gunshot from one of the rooms
leaves and calls the police the police and the FBI descend on this thing they start trying to talk to Andrew they're
like trying to convince him to come out if I remember correctly it said like this was like a standoff that last in 8
hours Andrew was already dead Andrew killed himself when they walked in like there's nobody to talk to and they just were like not wanting to go inside and
get blasted so he shot himself in the head obviously but the question around like
why he ended up choosing okay the first kill pure rage impulse second kill I got to I got to
get rid of the witness third kill I need money I need resources I'm going to go to this guy's house fourth kill I need
need a car and to steal his car this one's the one where it's just like I think it was literally just he was just
a loser who envied people that he could not be and Johnny Versace was the
highest personification of like what he could never be yeah yeah some people thought it had to do
with HIV status so Johnny Versace or well he did have HIV but that's not the relevant part the relevant part is that
people had mentioned that Andrew thought that he had HIV and that he said he's going to take out his
revenge on older men who like do this to younger men and there was like some
thought he was autopsy he didn't have HIV but people were like no he thought he did like he never got tested but he thought he had HIV so like maybe that
was a piece of this too I don't know that's like I mean that's like I don't know what you're saying before but you
know people killing sex workers because they gave them an STD and it's like there's two two involved in that Tango
my friend well yeah not of nothing about a psycho psyche actually follows logic
one thing that I read you know it reminded me a lot of actually um John lennen about Mark David Chapman it was
just like just another nothing nobody loser who needs to take down somebody who's creating in the world because was
saying it's easier to what is that saying those who cannot build seek to
destroy and that's only the only one I really know is when in in the wedding plan when Jennifer Lopez says those who
can't wed plan it's actually pretty good one that's that's my number one of those
that I remember hey two Jayla references in our in our Andrew Canan episode so
and then and then largely this ended up getting uh forgotten because one of the attendees of Johnny's
funeral died like less than a month after this happened you know who that is
no princess uh she went to the funeral no way yeah she went to the funeral and the
90s were wild dude it was like a week or two after that when she died I remember
I was at my friend Julie's house eating pizza and I was so sad I remember I yeah I remember too I was with my parents we
did our little summer trip to veale or what summer oh my God so yeah yeah that
was a wild month but because of that you know so much of this got like just it
sunk like people stopped paying so much attention to us cuz then princess was a big story so yeah yeah yeah that's our
story around Andrew qanan what a tragedy that's just like that's just so like
that your life can be taken away by like any random crazy person in like two seconds like you've done like you didn't
do anything like for that specific thing to happen to you it just happens because you're like in the right place or like
if he hadn't like gone and gotten the paper you know or like hadn't hard past
n like you should you know yeah yeah there just so many so many things that it could
like little things that lead up to it and make that happen yeah living your life awesome life the coolest house the
best every like and some random idiot just can shoot you in the head you're just like covered in gold and like I
don't know man he was effortlessly cool I will say Johnny Versace when you look
at his pictures you're like damn like that is a world famous designer like you can just yeah he's got a air about him I
can't yeah I mean his sister's still live still doing Versace things I guess even though said Michael K's bought it
so she is still the creative director um Donatella Versace is still the creative director and the vast majority of Jean's
estate actually was bequeathed to his niece alra Versace who is donatella's
daughter oh yeah it's estimated her net worth right now is about $800 million
and she's 36 years old nice yeah every well when my sister had her baby my
brother King Kade who is who was gay and not going to have children was like now my estate is divided into three because
he's dividing his estate amongst his nieces and nephews that's the dream you got to have
that some a rich person in your family leave you something if you look at the guy who played Johnny Versace it is like
crazy it's real good yeah he nailed I mean you look at side by
side wow I see I found a picture of whoa I heard that dog she okay she upset that
she's getting a sibling she doesn't know she's getting a sibling yet I haven't told her uh oh divide it's going to
divide up your estate my estate yeah yeah exactly yeah so many Medusa head
medallions oh yeah so many it's so it's so like black with gold on top of it is
my picture of it it's just decadence opulence it's like just yeah tell's
husband's really cute yeah I would imagine she could attract a fairly
attractive person there's something there's something to International Fame and
super rich obscene wealth that weirdly draws people to you I don't I don't I don't really get it what is it I don't
know what could it be what is that mystery not mysterious or just Rich so than you that's our
stories Taylor is there anything you want to sign off with I know you have it's almost 6 and you have to go to a
baseball game yeah be there at 5:45 I've be there in 2 hours it's in the Palm Springs so yes I do have to go because I
have to get ready and find a baseball for the players to sign for the children
you know like you do I forgot they weren on the same time zone um no it's almost four but still I still I need to get
ready yeah no I if this is your first time listening thank you we have social
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