This week Taylor starts us off with the mysterious murder-suicide at Mayerling, a hunting lodge that’s more like a palace outside of Vienna. In 1898 Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria, and his 17-year-old mistress Baroness Mary Vetsera died, changing the course of history and leading to the ruin of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (and a little thing called WWI). Then, Farz brings us to Miami via a killing spree that ended in the death of one of the most famous fashion designers of the 90s, Gianni Versace, by the coward Andrew Cunanan. Motives remain unclear - why did Cunanan go on a murder spree across the country only to gun down an icon at 9am on a weekday? Let’s discuss! https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod
This week Taylor starts us off with the mysterious murder-suicide at Mayerling, a hunting lodge that’s more like a palace outside of Vienna. In 1898 Rudolf, Crown Prince of Austria, and his 17-year-old mistress Baroness Mary Vetsera died, changing the course of history and leading to the ruin of the Austro-Hungarian Empire (and a little thing called WWI).
Then, Farz brings us to Miami via a killing spree that ended in the death of one of the most famous fashion designers of the 90s, Gianni Versace, by the coward Andrew Cunanan. Motives remain unclear - why did Cunanan go on a murder spree across the country only to gun down an icon at 9am on a weekday?
Let’s discuss!
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Mayerling Photos via the public domain
Gianni Versace via https://www.discogs.com/
Andrew Cunanan via the Irish Sun
Casa Casuarina via wikipedia
Some sources:
Mayerling: Pact of Rudolf the Crown Prince of Austria and Mary Vetsera- Did it change History?
The Darker Side of Vienna - Europe Up Close
Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
welcome to Doom to fail the podcast
where we explore two red flag new relationships one historic One True Crime and point out all the little
markers that could have prevented something usually negative from happening I'm far as I'm joined here with my co-host Taylor hi Taylor hello
so Taylor what why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself and why you like to cover historical red flagey
relationships and events yeah yeah I'm Taylor Pinero and I try to
do a little bit more historical try to go back time when I can try to go all over the world a lot of it is because I
love history and there's so many amazing stories that we're just not taught I definitely feel like I was totally I
don't know what's the word like stilted by the American education system because I had a terrible history teachers and
they made it really boring and that's super unfair because there's so many fun things that happened so I like to do relationships when I can find them but
also like big famous disasters like I did the Hindenburg and things like that is stilted the combination of jilted and
stunted I think so because like boring and also I feel like I could have used it more in my life because people
don't change or the same people we've always been you know so even people don't change things from 2000 years ago
they happen today every freaking day exactly exactly that's awesome and I am
a fanatic of True Crime mostly because I like to think about how these people can
do the things that they can do going into like the Deep recesses of whatever thought patterns are created and how
they're created and why things have happened the way they do is always really interesting for me so that's kind of where my passion and the in this on
the side of things lies the reason we decided to do red flag relationships is just mostly because Taylor would examine
my relationships and say as far as you see the red flagstone you're like yeah I see them it's still fun I'm still gonna
do it it's like this should be a podcast because you're probably not the only one I'm like as far as you tend to like a
little bit of crazy and you're like no I don't and I'm like um I think that you do yeah yeah Taylor
nailed it for sure so how's your week start weekend or week
weekend been Taylor good we are going to a like I don't know what's lower than
there's professional baseball minor league baseball and like one match below I think that's the kind of baseball game
we're going to after this so we're going to Palm Springs to the Palm Springs I don't know they're called
but and playing their baseball stadium but the kids get to go out on the field they get to have their like baseball
signed by the players and stuff so it'll be quite cute it's really fun I love those games and because they're so cheap they're really inexpensive they're like
five dollars yeah you feel like it's a community all out there doing their thing like I had um I had floor seats
one time at Madison Square Garden at a New York Liberty game and like yes it was a WNBA but also I had four seats at
Madison Square Garden it was dope yeah yeah I'm all for it very accessible yeah
I woke up this morning and I read a Facebook post that completely ruined me
it was for this dog rescue called Austin Animal Center that said five of these
gorgeous dogs they're like two to five years old were gonna be put down in the next week if someone is obsessive and
Foster them and because my life's not busy enough I went and fill out the application I reached out to them
directly and asked if I can foster apparently I got to ask like really really like just in time when somebody
else already asked and they were pairing the dogs one of the dogs with that family so all the dogs were off the kill
list for next week which is fantastic and in the next week or two I'm probably gonna be a foster dad
that's awesome yeah so usually the format of the show is
that Taylor or I go first we usually interchange one of the other who goes first to Sweet Taylor I think that I do
sweet then in that case I'm gonna tell you my drink is and then we'll segue to the historic story
so my story or my story and my drink are from my old stomping grounds Miami
Florida so I'm going with a Cafe Con Leche which is just Spanish for coffee and milk
it is not good it is it is it is like just
piles of sugar with like a couple of drips of coffee in it people love this
stuff in Miami I think they also call it Cuban coffee but it never was my thing
but again Miami's known for stimulants so that's a good one to have so that's what I'm gonna go with cool well I can't
wait I have a drink that I've never heard of but I want to share with you it's actually a soda called Alm duddler
Alm d-u-d-l-e-r which is Austria's national drink so Austria the country is
where we are going to be going today and that's the it's only the only thing more popular than almond dudler is Coca-Cola
so sweet austrians [ __ ] love it cool I'm going to talk about the myerling
incident have you heard of that he repeated admireling Marling incident never heard of it it is the murder
suicide of Rudolph the Crown Prince of Austria and his 17 year old mistress Mary vestera
so I watched a bunch of YouTube videos on this and I read a book called Twilight of an Empire so I'll put the my
sources in in the notes as well but there's two things that I want to start with before we get started to
start like thinking about like where we're going with this one of them is there's so much like there's so much sex
in politics and sometimes we don't care like with the Kennedy is like we don't give a [ __ ] we're like whatever you know
with the clintons we were like we kind of care but like nah nothing like super weird happened but sometimes it changes
the course of history so in do you remember in 2004 there was a U.S Senate
a republican running for U.S Senate in Illinois named Jake Jack Ryan not Jake
Ryan from it sounds really familiar so Jack Ryan was running in 24 in 2004
against a Democrat and he was going into a seat that a republican had retired from he was he had just gotten a divorce
from actress Jerry Ryan she's in Star Trek so like you my Felix sharp you'd recognize her she's pretty she's the
story The story's starting to resonate more keep going so in their divorce filing there were custody documents that
were hidden from the public but they became public and in those custody documents Jerry has said that Jack had
tried to take her to sex clubs in the parts of the U.S and in Europe and she didn't want to go she didn't want to
like perform publicly in these in these sex clubs and so that was ultimately led to their divorce and that was in their custody paperwork because she was using
that to like gain more custody of the kids so he was probably going to lose his campaign anyway like Jack probably
wasn't going to win but he left the campaign and another Republican entered so the Democrat won in a landslide 70 30
and that Democrat was Barack Obama oh my God that's so cool yeah so he definitely
with his little sexual deviance he definitely boosted Obama's campaign and
that was in 2004 when he became a Senator of Illinois and four years later you know he's president so well what was
the big the huge boost was obviously getting to be a U.S senator was a huge deal but he also gave the keynote and
the dncs convention and that like launched him into like the national Stratosphere so
that's great that's a really good way to try that together that one asking his wife to go to a sex club results in
Obama being president that's crazy yes it's crazy so do you remember when Gmail was hard to get you had to get invited
so I would get invited that I could invite by people and they could invite five people people there was a dude and
his name was something very that was already taken like John Smith so he was trying to get like john.smith at Gmail
and he couldn't get it so he was watching the DNC speeches while he was trying to figure this out and he saw
Barack Obama it was like oh I've never heard of this guy let me grab barack.obama gmail.com and he grabbed it
and he gets like 100 million emails a day so funny anyway there's that there's
sex and politics always been a thing and this matters because similarly when Rudolph our main main person in this
story he was heir to the austro-hungarian Empire and when he died
his cousin became heir to the austro-hungarian Empire and his cousin was Franz Ferdinand so that's the
life-changing person who became heir to the throne because as you know friends Ferdinand gets assassinated World War
one yeah whenever you mention somebody getting killed who's Australian royalty I was like okay this is going to end in
a lot of death for a lot of people yeah absolutely so the other thing that we
should start talking about is incest which I know we've talked about a bunch in these royal families there's just so
much of it and I I mean obviously I have no idea what they could possibly be thinking but in my mind and what I know
about genetics which is almost nothing but enough to know that like things aren't going to go great if you continue
to you know intermarry in between families like how is that better than
having like smart people from other families come in you know what I mean like that just that concept doesn't make any sense to me okay so in the first
time in history where you will hear me say this I think I'm going to defend incest in this case please do because I
don't get it because I think that if you're like in this Royal position where literally everybody has Beneath You Like
You engaging with them is like a travesty all you have that are your peer
group it's like your relatives like what else do you have but
yeah yes but like it's not going well it doesn't go well I'm not saying it's good
I'm not saying it's good it's like I can understand it is what I'm saying yeah but I mean so
Rudolph the the Crown Prince of Austria he's a Habsburg so I do want to talk about the Habsburg I think later I'll go
further further back but essentially the Habsburg started in 1273 Rudolph the first of Habsburg was elected king of
Germany losses have happened they also still exist they're still habsburgs but they're less inbred now
but like some of the things like Franz Ferdinand himself said quote with us man
and wife are always related to each other 20 times over the results are that half the children are idiots or
epileptics yeah the crews were there so great yeah like you can if you look you can see it Rudolph's parents her first cousins his
grandmothers were sisters and his so his wife him and his wife ended up having the same grandfather it's very confusing
it's like who you can't even draw a family tree like this because it's so confusing some of the history there's
there was Charles II of Spain he was Charles the Bewitched or Charles the mad he was the last Habsburg ruler of Spain
born in 1661 but he has so many disabilities he had severe physical deformities they have that prominent jaw
that like big Habsburg underbite you know that's and his tongue was so swollen he could like barely eat or talk
which is so gross like so terrible then I was misery he was infertile had a
range of health problems the job the house for jaw and lip is like a distinct facial feature uh it's you can see it in
portraits throughout history it also there's a lot of times like nature does nature intervenes and puts infertility
in the in the lines because they're like yeah Nature's like you can't do this anymore yeah guys
so a lot of people can't have children which I guess is for the greater good and also it reduces the genetic
diversity so it means they have more susceptibility to inherited diseases and it weakens
their health because if you have like the same genes on top of each other top of each other you're not bringing anything else that can like protect you
from other things right makes sense yeah yeah I'm a doctor so I
think they don't understand genetics and I get that like what you're saying how like you think everybody else is beneath you but like come on I don't understand
how this can be better so Ferdinand the first is another one around this time he could barely speak grants ferdinand's
father Carl Ludwig was a religious fanatic who terrorized his families and then also for for Rudolph himself his
mother's line was from Bavaria but they were also not great they were also pretty inbred she had a cousin who
believed she had swallowed a piano made of glass and like wouldn't stop talking about it another dude believed he was a
hero in a Wagner opera and he would like have picnics outside in the snow and talk to people who weren't there and
like just like really weird eccentric things and they're rich like if you're like gonna go crazy go crazy in a castle
yeah there's a lot of mental illness obviously a lot of in Reading okay
and also there's a lot of depression so like depression and other and other things are happening too much this is like compounding into this these these
people so now we're in the late 1800s in Vienna in Austria
this story is not a love story like it's a tragedy but there's this isn't a love story this isn't like star crossed
lovers or anything and we'll get into that but I just want to make that clear there's a bunch of movies that were made
in like the 60s and 50s and 60s there's one with Audrey Hepburn and Mel Ferrer and they look so good together I don't
know if you've ever seen any pictures I've ever seen them in War and Peace no what's their names Audrey Hepburn and Mel Ferrer
yeah okay yeah yeah and they were married in real life and in I don't know in War and Peace for anyone who knows
like bulkonski is the [ __ ] worst and he's the person that Mel Ferrer plays um they just look so beautiful together I'm
team Pierre she ends up with Jane Fonda's Dad what's his name but anyway they're still great together and then
there's another one where Omar Sharif plays Rudolph do you know who he is yeah you know how I said earlier in this
podcast that I don't believe eyes are the window to your soul is Omar Sharif the one that gets attached for that he is because Omar
sharif's eyes are always like wet with like romantic pain and desire like imagine him in like the last scene of Dr
Zhivago and you like his eyes are like always just like really wet yeah
which is like part of the reason why I hate eyes but I also feel like if I'm gonna see anyone's soul with their eyes it's Omar sharif's
yeah yeah it's pretty recent right yeah
okay well he died I read a tweet that uh someone was a server at a restaurant and
they were serving him and they were like I'm so sorry to tell you that to like bother you but Dr Zhivago changed my
life and Omar Sharif took their hand and said it changed mine too yeah I love that guy okay anyway watch those movies
if you want to cry for seven days where we are now we're in Vienna Vienna at this time is very romantic it's a
very romantic City it's in Austria they have tons of museums tons of old houses it's the house of the habsburgs for
generations for centuries everybody is just like very very romantic like they believe that they are and part of that
culture there's a lot of suicide it's like a big thing it happens all the
time so like some people are like you shouldn't really go out in the morning until they've cut down the bodies that are hanging from the trees from last night because like every day someone
dies by Suicide servants will you know die by suicide if they you know break a
plate children will children die by suicide if they like fail a lesson everyone's very being very very dramatic
so it's a whole thing and there are people really thinking about it a lot so that's kind of another thing that's happening in Vienna our main people that
we're talking about Rudolph Franz Carl Joseph was born on the 21st of August in 1858. his parents were Emperor Franz
Joseph Joseph the first of Austria and Duchess Elizabeth of Bavaria but they called his mom [ __ ] his father the
Emperor of Franz USF he was born in 1830. it's a weird time to be an emperor because this is like things are starting to modernize you know if you're a part
of a dynasty from like the 1200s you know it's a totally different world there's some compromises
that he has to deal with as different parts of the Empire want to be free this is you know we're like 50 years after
like the US and France have had like their revolutions so he did make some
compromises but he was also a very very Stern father he tried to make his son Rudolph Tough
by like waking him up by like shooting shooting in his bedroom like wake up you know like and like have him run in the
snow and like do things that he considered to be very manly he was also like very conservative and his son grew up to be a little bit more like of a
liberal which always happens usually how he goes yeah his mother [ __ ] was born on oh so
one more thing sorry Emperor France Joseph didn't die until 1916. he died of sickness so he died post World War One
wow do that much later his mom Rudolph's mom [ __ ] she was born on December 24th
1837 in Munich Bavaria she was a daughter of a Duke and a princess she
had she was very beautiful and what also I think is interesting about these people in this story is it's that
precipice between paintings and photographs because they have the traditional like huge beautiful
portraits that are painted of them in like huge Regal stuff and there's also photographs of them because it's like
the beginning of week when you could have photographs which is interesting and cool so but the portraits and the
photos they align they do cool which is good to know I guess for all of history yeah yeah so [ __ ] is uh very beautiful
she has really long hair there's a portrait of her holding her hair and like she's like holding it like a baby
she's not so much hair it's like a very intimate portrait or loved and she did all this like stuff for her face
and body and not but I don't do this because I will put like any face oil on my face I will
I'll do it seven times a day like absolutely but she would do things like in the morning she'd take a cold bath at night she'd take an olive oil bath she
would sleep with like Rags soaked with apple cider vinegar around her waist to keep her waist slim and photos of her
her waist is like I mean obviously corseted but you could like put your hands around her and touch each other like that kind of a waste and she just
like did all this stuff to remain youthful she had a daughter who died in infancy so you know that happens a lot
she tried to write poetry was passionate about the Arts but she was also very controlling of her son she loved him a
lot but also like wanted him to kind of straighten up and like become a good heir to the throne I won't get to this
but [ __ ] she is the Empress of austro-hungary and in 1898
she's walking in Geneva with a friend and an Italian Anarchist stabs her in the heart and kills her
well she's walking down the street I'm not gonna say that's common but that seems like a common thing to have happened didn't rasp you didn't get
stabbed in the stomach just randomly by someone maybe but he deserved it fair enough silver it off the son of [ __ ]
and Franz Joseph he's a Playboy he can do whatever he wants like you can when you're like a prince and he has dozens of Affairs that are
very very obvious like it's very obvious that he's super sexually active they say he might have had up to 30 illegitimate
children which is like too many and also doesn't make sense the Bloodlines like
he's having kids all over the place so where do they go you know it has to be like the right weird bloodline right
which I think is done and like do you watch wait did you watch House of dragon I can't remember if he did no I never
got around to that one so like one of the sons obviously a bunch of them are like do do this and um one of my friends
was like it's very convenient that in the Game of Thrones world that you are guaranteed to have the hair color of
your father because like
kids with white hair they must be so-and-so's you know like it's just really funny yeah while I'm waiting speaking of
series watching series have you seen any of the New Black Mirror I've watched the
first two okay it gets good I mean those are really good and it keeps getting better the last one of the series
there's a whole section where this woman is watching that Ra Rasputin no no way
song yeah it was like oh my God yeah and and one of the main characters one of
the lead singers in that song that came in anyways whatever I'm not gonna ruin it but it's fun it's very fun okay I'll
get there I can I can't watch I can watch like two a week before my like brain explodes so I watched the first
time they get intense they get really intense but they're good if you have all these all these kids whenever he breaks
off an affair he has someone deliver like a silver cigarette box to her like to signify that it's over which I think
is hilarious and like imagine being like you have you like or somewhere and like you pull your cigarette box out of your purse and like someone else's the same
one and you just like look at each other and laugh because you know that you both had an affair with this guy that would be nice that's a good way to break up
with someone that's classy it's a gift a breakup gift uh he does a room with them you know so in 1881 Rudolph marries
Stephanie of Belgium and they have a daughter Elizabeth so they have one child but again it's not a man so they
need to have a man to be able to have an heir to have a boy but Rudolph gets I
mean riddled with STDs of course you know some sources say it's gonorrhea
some say it's syphilis he probably has both either one he gives it back to his wife and it makes her unable to have any
more children so he he they will not have an heir which is like an STD could make you
sterile I guess okay I mean I'm sure you're gonna add super ice skates back then too yeah I mean it's just so awful
I remember yeah I mean unless it has been so gross down there for everyone you remember what Taylor no I was gonna
say I remember this is stupid I remember I stopped as a dumb story but I was in London studying abroad and I was
studying uh like diaspora and people coming up to the UK and I was in a
center for immigration and I was walking with a bunch of people and I was at the back of the line with one of my friends
and a door kind of slammed in our face and there was a big poster on it that said could you have gonorrhea and we
were both like I don't think I don't think so that's like uh this is really funny The
Awakening moment of like what is going on does this like work Destiny or something fake like did someone slam
this door on my face on purpose no so I do not I did not no but but that
was funny so anyway glad I told that story thanks for making me tell that story of ours because you started with Iron Man we're talking about these heads
anyways whatever anyway so in 1888 Rudolph asks one of his girlfriends
Mitzi Casper to do murder murder suicide with him he said come on it'll be
romantic and she's like no you know I'm not doing it with you also in 1888 he meets another lady at court Mary vestera
who is 17. so Mary 17 Rudolph is 30. and their Affair is like very obvious like
everyone knows in the Omar Sharif movie I couldn't watch the whole thing I found like a clip of him doing the waltz on on
YouTube but like they're dancing everybody's just like oh like we [ __ ] know these two are hooking up you know
like annoyed there's also in one of the Palaces in Vienna there's a stair a
staircase that leads up to Rudolph's bedroom it's called the the stera staircase because she used to sneak up
that staircase to see him sometimes she would sneak up wearing only a fur coat with nothing underneath which is very
scandalous for the time Mary herself was a baroness so baroness Marie alexandrine
von vestra was born in 1871 on March 19th her mother was a pill and wanted
her to be rich so she's like I have these daughters the only reason I have these daughters is that they will marry wow and give me like the money and power
that I want so this was not Mary's first rodeo like she's 17 but she's like been in these affairs with older rich people
for a while her mom has been trying to like get someone to marry her she was I thought this was like really funny that
she had to go she went to school in a Convent called The Institute for daughters of the nobility
like imagine what you learned there yeah no kidding in Reading yeah exactly
exactly so her mom was actively helping with this affair between Mary and Rudolph like everybody everybody knew
there were other people actively helping as well so here's what happened here's the meyerling incident on January 29
1889 so they haven't even been together a year they've known each other for a few months Rudolph excuses himself from
a dinner with his family and he heads to meyerling which is a hunting lodge outside of Vienna hunting lodge in that
like it's a palace yeah you know it's like a Murdoch thing
where the hunting lodge was like 6 000 square feet exactly exactly I watched there was a show called Versailles I
watched a couple of and there's one where like the king is like I'm gonna go to Versailles brother's like Ugh dad's hunting lodge you know like you do yeah
one day we're gonna have that life Taylor so he heads to meerling with Mary
on January 30th the next morning Rudolph valet loshek goes to wake him up and the
door is locked he can't get it open he ends up using a hammer and like putting his hand through and unlocking it from the inside and opening the door when he
gets in there Mary's body is laying on the bed she's probably naked she only brought one outfit probably naked or
wearing like her under clothes and she had been shot in the head and there was like blood everywhere and she was pretty
far into Rigamortis Rudolph's body was leaning over the bed with a bullet in his head and there was a mirror next to
him so he might have been trying to do a thing like that they had someone else had done recently where you like use a mirror to shoot yourself like kind of
like seeing so you can see the back of your head or whatever you might have been trying that there was also like blood coming out of his mouth and his
skull was shattered so she was in like I said she had been dead before him there
is a his last speculation about what happened and that's kind of going to be the thing that happens after this but in
Twilight of the Empire the book that I read it sounds like Mary was sitting up holding a handkerchief so pops will be
crying on the edge of the bed when she was shot in the back of the head and then fell over so he may have just like impulsively shot her in the head with
the bodies there were some some suicide letters there were a couple of them more were actually found in 2015 they've been
put into a safety deposit box in 1926 by a relative and they weren't found until 2015 which is cool and those there were
letters like from Mary to her mother and they said things like I'll be much happier in death because I can be with him we cannot be together in life we've
been together in death Rudolph Rudolph shot himself and then the bullet went through her head no no
she killed her hours before he killed himself did she want to die probably but
probably in like a state of together yeah like if you if it would
have been like hey baby we should take all this and she probably wouldn't have you know but it was like a very like emotionally heightened experience for
everyone that they were in because when can you know because because she was more advanced like Rick and mortis than
he was they know that she died a lot or a lot earlier than he did so he shot her and then like started her body for
several hours um there's probably a point of no return for him also because now he's a murderer you know not that they couldn't have hid
that somehow but he's just like kind of going crazy in this room by himself but I will talk more about like what might have happened in the room in a little
bit so nobody knows what to do because this guy's the heir to the throne he's definitely dead everyone's kind of like
trying to figure out how they tell the emperor and initially they they're like oh she must have poisoned him and then
killed herself because they can't imagine that he would do it so they use that story when we tell the emperor and Empress Mary's poor mother even though
she was trying to sell off her daughter you know technically she can't find her daughter and she's like been looking for
all over town she finally goes to the palace and asks the emperor and the empress tells her that her daughter is dead in like a very cold a cold way to
let her know they said that he died of a heart attack they said that he died of like of it's like a sickness their
official story from the emperor Empress changes several times in the first day or two because they're not sure what to
do eventually they do say that he died by Suicide and because it's just hard to ignore poor Mary this is crazy so Mary's
body they take it and they throw it in a closet and put clothes on top of it and just kind of hide it for now because they don't know what to do her uncles
her mom's Brothers come and get her come and get her body the people on the palace are like in in meerling the lodge
or like you have to pretend she's still alive like you have to pretend that she's still alive when you're taking her out of hair so that no one sees you
leaving with a dead body that would be too suspicious so they make them wash her body get her dressed she had like an
ice skating outfit which is like who knows what that means but like a pretty simple dress and like a jacket
they put that on her body and they try to carry her out but her head keeps falling down and her body keeps humping
because she's dead so they stick a broomstick up her shirt not up her body but like up her shirt and kind of like
tie her head to it and have to carry her out that way is this the inspiration for Weekend at
Bernie's I don't think so it could have been
it's awful it's awful so they bring her to a church in heinekenkates which is
near nearby they don't want to bury her because it's a suicide everything's everyone's very Catholic they don't want
to bury her but the uncle's convinced them to let her be buried there in a simple Pine Box because she was in like a state of mental distress when she died
also I don't believe that she killed herself I think he kills her you know later her mother exhumed her body and
buried her in like a nicer Cemetery during World War II that Cemetery was destroyed by the Soviets and they bashed
all the bodies when they robbed them so they like robbed her grave and like just smashed her bones then her bones were
were reburied in the 50s they exhumed her again to look for a bullet wound in
her skull because like people were kind of like maybe she wasn't shot even though she definitely was and you can't
you couldn't tell anymore because the bones haven't crushed you know where was she Shawn the back of the head yeah
then why would they think it's a suit who could do that themselves I know they're just trying to like make sense
of what just happened you know yeah they're trying to protect the air yeah
and so in the 90s a man 1990s a man was
obsessed with the meyerlink incident he tricks the cemetery into giving them her her remains so he could study them so he
took them again and he ended up getting arrested and giving them back but like poor Mary's body was just like treated like
garbage at this point one of us could have part of her skull it sounds like yeah really
easy easy breezy with it yeah she also just like after that after this people didn't start talking about Mary until
later when people started talking about the demise of the Empire so she was just like disappeared like she used to be
like in society papers and people her friends and then one day she was gone people just like stopped talking about her because they're trying to hide what
had happened Rudolph's body was taken and they had to reconstruct his skull for a state burial there's pictures of
it he has like a big bandage over his head because his skull was like destroyed and um they had to get
special permission from the pope to bury him with his family like not just like the church but the actual Pope had to be
like it was okay and they got the permission because they said that he was insane when he had died by Suicide which
was he shot in the back of the head too no okay okay there's some questions that don't
sound like they were being asked but it sounds like maybe they were yeah yeah I know he was definitely he definitely shot himself in the face he was probably
bipolar it sounds like so he was like you know super high high super low lows and he's probably in like a high high of
being excited about this idea of like going to to death with his lover and the
same time like also being like super low and like suicidal so he definitely had a
lot like going on people didn't want this to be the case like they didn't want it to be a murder suicide because it's so awful and like confusing and it
like destroyed the line and all these things there's a couple conspiracies and things that people think might have happened so some people and this is what
they've been like kind of speculating on for like hundreds of years they think that maybe it was a political conspiracy
and Rudolph was most likely talking to
the Hungarian side of the Empire more than he should have been and about to go against his father in some ways so he
was like also involved in like those Shenanigans so like someone could have killed him for that other theories were like maybe it was an accident like maybe
he's like playing with his gun and shot her because like that happens in America right now so don't give me that face as far as set up the multi
but I mean okay so it happens with like kids or
with like drunk Hillbillies when you're like with your lover in like this Regal
like you're not just like hey let's play Let's play cash with the with the revolver also but he was definitely
drunk oh okay well you know okay again details yeah that helps I'm sorry about to tell you
they were drunk this whole time and the the so
yeah so people were like well maybe the gun discharged and then chopped them both at the same time like went through him and then hit her that's crazy that
could never happen I guess like well whatever I'm saying that no no some people said that when they saw him he
had glass in his skull so they said that she had smashed over the head of the champagne bottle in a rage and then
killed herself it doesn't make sense obviously because we know she died hours before him so he definitely she definitely died first another theory
that people thought for a long time was that maybe she had a abortion and
died from complications of that but like a complication of abortion is not getting shot in the head yeah that's not
how that works so what it probably is and what I'm using it all the time like it's fun because of the conspiracies but
what it is is a murder suicide he was in an unhappy marriage he wanted to do something dramatic and she was just very
very vulnerable she's 17 years old like this Prince is telling you that he loves you that he can't live without you you
know all the things so maybe they got into some sort of argument when they were in the room together maybe she was
pregnant and he was like well great I also have I have another this is my 31st
illegitimate child like [ __ ] you and I'm not gonna marry you still you know and they were fighting and maybe like that
was a thing maybe he went there to break up with her and like she like wouldn't take it and she like wouldn't accept it
so he shot her and then was so upset and worried and all that that he ended up shooting himself he was never gonna get
divorced he was never gonna gonna marry her it's only really a mystery because people want it to be you know because
you don't know what happened in that room and that is so fascinating that you're like what causes these two people to have him shoot her her and then wait
for so long by himself like some people said the rooms covered in blood some people said the rooms covered in like
smashed glass and it was like disarray so for like hours he's what drinking and throwing glass around and the door's
locked and everyone's asleep and no one else is doing this and then he you know then he dies so it's I think the mystery
of what actually happened I don't think is very mysterious like he killed her and then himself but I think that the
mystery of like the why will never be inserted like what it was like and it was like last minutes of her life and then like the last hours of his where
he's there by himself you know our stories are going to be so similar yeah with r yeah again we don't coordinate
any of this I have no idea she has no idea what I'm gonna talk about we just hop on just bro with it but like we have
a lot of through lines on the these two stories oh so crazy crazy so after this
Rudolph's uncle was supposed to be the next in line but he didn't want to be so his son friends Ferdinand became the
next in line Franz Ferdinand was not the emperor when he was assassinated he was just the heir to the emperor but as we
know that started off off world war one and one of the YouTube videos I watched they were like we can't say that if this
hadn't happened that there would not have been a World War one but they do feel comfortable saying that Rudolph
would not have been where friends Ferdinand was when he was shot he wouldn't have been that involved in politics the way Francis Ferdinand was
it might have been it might have been different Rudolph's wife Elizabeth was kind of shunned by the family everyone was like really mad at her she went off
and like ended up they lived their life into different part of Europe and she was involved and just like she's she's buried in the family in the family plot
his daughter Elizabeth she married the Archduke Fran Salvatore of Austria Tuscany they had 10 10 children so some
of their children didn't die until like the late 1970s so some of Rudolph's
grandchildren lived until the 70s which is wild because it's like I said it was just this that time is such a
I think like a marker between like modern and like what we think of like as like history you
know yeah yeah and that's and that's it so it's it it's a
tragic not love story because there were like they were barely together you know it's like a love story but it's like a a
thing that happened that changed history for a lot of people so what's the red flag um I think that he was married and had
raging CDs and had 30 illegitimate children and that her mom was trying to essentially sell her to him okay so
you're saying that if somebody's married and has 30 illegitimate children
maybe like look the other way if someone if you're dating someone and they're pre-ordering a goodbye gift when they
break up with you then that's that's the red flag if you open a closet in your
boyfriend's house and it's just 50 canelobras saying thanks for the good times just dip immediately it's not
gonna end well he's one of them has your name engraved in it and like you're like oh no I'm about to get broken up
that is a good idea that is like I'm not saying I'm gonna do that but I'm not not
gonna do that if you break up with fires you get it cigars and drawers with bars yes instead of a bit of a cigarette a
cigarette case yes you get a jar of cigars from China yeah my friend George
suggested this so thanks George because it was cool listen to and the book that the book I read the Twilight of the
empire was really really good um I recommend it nice nice very cool
well we will transition over to the True Crime side of the story and like I said
I'm going to be partially in Miami but that's not like the end-all be-all of where this all this originated it's just
where this culminated in the way that it's most famously remembered Taylor have you ever been to Miami yes what did you think it was fine it
was humid I think I went a leaving spot from for a cruise was it called like a port I did like a Caribbean cruise so I
think we drove down to Florida because my friend Lonnie's were giving her mom's car to her uncle so we like drove the
car to the uncle in Miami and then and then we flew home after the cruise nice
nice yeah Port of Miami that's where all like basically every major Cruise Line has a port there it's very very cool you
can drive by um Causeway and see all the ship stocking so like I mentioned I lived in Miami and I'll be honest I have
like a weird love-hate relationship with it because on the one hand I think that if you're out for a Carefree weekend
it's probably one of the best seasons in the world to be in just do whatever you want nobody cares if money flows easy do
your thing on the other hand which was my case I was a broke college student I didn't have any money and then when you see all this occupant display of wealth
all around you you're just like man [Music]
[Music] outside your Facebook from like 20 years ago where you're in front of the Lamborghini yeah yeah
that was my yeah that was Miami and one thing that I remember thinking to myself was that I remember going to work at
like eight o'clock in the morning on like the weekdays and you see like the most beautiful people from all around
the world just rollerblading around the ocean and you're just like what am I doing what am I doing here totally
that's funny and like the conclusion I reached was like this is not a place that you come to build yourself up this
is a place you come to after you build yourself up that is a lesson the main antagonist of
this story did not learn he went to Miami and he made a name for
himself there so any guesses who I might be talking about the only thing that I I don't know
the name but are the guy who killed Versace is that it yeah yeah
okay you got me at at he came to Miami with nothing and tried to build himself up there because that's what I remember
from the American Crime Story yeah which I'm going to discuss at length here so today I'm covering Andrew Andrew
called Andrew because that's kind of tough uh who basically is like a very very emotionally disturbed individual
who did a lot of really really terrible things and the world is better for him being dead so I'm gonna start with that per usual
per usual there's no love lost in these stories for you no not at all Andrew has
been done to death by this point and I totally get that but one of the things that I wanted to like focus on in this
story was mostly Andrew himself because really what everybody thinks of is Johnny Versace right and the Netflix
okay so for example you just mentioned it there's an amazing Netflix what's the
guy's name Darren crisp plays Andrew mcginnon it's awesome it is so well made it's so well done but even that do you
remember what it was called Taylor was it it's not it's not American Crime Story so it's called that is part of the title
yes I don't remember the rest of it it's called the assassination of Johnny Versace colon American Crime Story Okay
cool so it's all focused around Versace in like less so around all the
other stuff that was going on with him although they do cover the murders that happened but really it's a question like who is this guy and why do you do the
things that he did yeah so that's what I wanted to kind of fall into and one of one of the places I started I actually went through a pretty in-depth research
on the Department of Justice and the FBI's websites on classifications of
serial killers versus retailers because Andrew Falls in this weird unique cross-section of True Crime monsters
because he's both like he's kind of both and a lot of sources like the majority
of sources like I would say like 60 to 40 comma spray killer whereas 40 comma
serial killer he would have cooling off periods and then he had periods of just rapid
succession killing of a bunch of people which is the Spree right that's the screen but you have several sprees what
are you he didn't he had a spree a cool off and then one murderer okay
okay so so he fits the definition so for example he killed five people over the span of three months in total wow six
days separate murder one and murder two one day separates murder two and number
three five separate three and murder four in nearly two months separate four
and five so Random yeah yeah exactly I'll get to like the the four
and five one because it's like you just live in his life he was doing this thing in Miami like he was having a groovy time like and it was like what happened
what was the impetus and nobody knows and we're gonna make some conjecture here but nobody's really sure
the other thing I kind of dived into on this on the FBI's website had to do with he didn't really have the same traits as
a killer as a Bundy or Gacy or Dahmer where there was like a sexual impulse Behind The Killing
he would kill out of opportunity and impulse so when we talk about serial
killers for example we talk about product versus process Killers Andrew was neither he didn't love to kill which
is the process part of a process killer nor did he kill to collect a body to do
whatever they're going to do with which is the product side of a serial so we're most familiar with that's one Distinction on the serial killer side it
actually goes further and this is where the Department of Justice kicks in around the classifications that go beyond just product and process which is
there's four other categories there's Visionary Mission oriented hedonistic and power control oriented
as you learn more about Andrew's psyche power control seems like declassification that makes the most
sense when trying to understand what his motivations were do you have examples of the other ones
so Visionary is for no Visionary actually John Mission
orange is one of the best example of which is like I'm doing this because God told me to do this so anytime like someone kills a bunch of prostitutes
it's like you were sinful so I had to do this for Jesus like that's the most common one I want to say Visionary was
um was John list where he just thought that this was the best thing for his family to kill all of it once
hidden this thing is is like you just like it you want to do it because yeah it's just awesome so the the power
control piece is the one that fits the bill with Andrew the most and that was basically getting pleasure out of
exerting control over a helpless victim which he did to one guy really really badly and that's kind of like where we
kind of wrap up part of like his his psyche going a little bit further than that I'm just gonna come out and just be
a total contrarian and say Andrew was just a total prick I'm just gonna start with it right there they always are
he okay this is gonna be overload I'm gonna get some backlash on this he reminds me of like every Iranian I grew
up with who was just obsessed with like looking amazing and like how they
present themselves in the world like you need to know I'm better than you if you don't know that I'm better than you then what am I doing like that's exactly the
vibe I get off this guy it has been said that he's a narcissist but he that was never a clinical
diagnosis and he you know what obviously he's dead so we're never gonna actually know what that what whether that was
true or not it was also said that he had a strong desire to be the center of attention Chris Darren actually
portrayed him exactly as I read about him which was just the guys dressed the nine and talk about how amazing his life
is I wrote down that if he was alive right now he would be an Instagram influencer who would be buying followers
from oversea clip Farms like that's the guy we're talking about he sounds like an insolic Andrew Tate you know like
someone who's like he's he's gay and he got a lot of play fine yeah he can be
installed Vibes but that's fine too it's it's not that it's a need to belong it's a need to be the biggest greatest
flashiest star out there that's where that's where this is right from and in cells like just a shut in rightly like
nerdy shut-ins who can't get out and hang with people like that's not what this is this is this guy actually got
was a little bit too out there hanging out with people because he actually will learn later he legitimately met Johnny Versace like
organically like he was in that crowd to where he could do stuff like that so like I literally just mentioned Andrew
came out as gay in high school which obviously you know good for him that couldn't have been easy back when this
would have been like the late 1980s and this was obviously not an easy choice because his mom and him got into a
really really serious fight he got physical Andrew basically assaulted her at one point and he ended up moving out
like he left his family home and moved out and settled in San Francisco and in the Castro District I alluded to this
just now which he had a knack for befriending wealthy older gay men which I'm gonna go with like red flag number
one for the older gay men because it was never to their benefit that he was friends with them really
Andrew Wood's basically using these men in leveraging their wealth to live up to
his own self-image of himself which again if you haven't seen the Versace Story on Netflix Chris Darren or Darren
Chris plays this guy incredibly well and that's basically the same make friends with whoever had the resources
and use them up and then additionally move on to the next year in 1990 many many many many years before what ends up
happening ends up happening Andrew actually does meet Johnny Versace which
I'm going to do a little bit of a dive into like who he was I know he's been done to death but what the hell we're here already Versace was a fashion
designer who created the luxury brand Versace in 1978 it became a brand for
celebrities because it was like a red carpet thing remember JLo's green dress yeah okay so that was Versace the first
big one of these was Elizabeth Hurley wearing like some like really sexy black dress at the Academy Awards and that was
so it just kind of popped off with celebrities when it pops up with celebrities it pops up with everybody who's trying to be a celebrity yeah it
expanded really quickly into 1500 stores eventually long after versace's Johnny's death it was sold off to Michael Michael
Kors company who is the current owner of the brand so I wrote down here that like Johnny
Versace and if you've never seen a picture of this guy go to go to your Gander because this guy was a like
exactly everything Andrew was faking being yeah an Uber successful incredibly
wealthy world-renowned artist designer celebrity and he was gay which like when
you look at like your architecture like what can I be in this world like that's who you want to be if you're if you're someone like Andrew
it was I thought it was potentially part of the reason why what ends up happening
ends up happening is because he was trying to basically destroy the thing that he could never
achieve himself is what I think personally in 1990 again seven years before all
this went down apparently Versace was in San Francisco and met Andrew Andrew
would have been 21 years old this time and in the Netflix series this is not true in the Netflix series it's like
super played up how they they were like playing cat and mouse and playing koi because like it was like a lovers thing
like they went out to dinner in the movie like none of that happened like that's what Andrew told you will happen but the people who were actually there
said that's not exactly what happened apparently it was a split moment where they were passing each other Versace seemed to recognized him and asked if he
knew him from a party at his late Como estate and Andrew said thanks for remembering
me and then he was never there for sure so yeah I was like dude hey if you what
is a Versace party like like how many drugs are being just passed away I was
like I don't know I just can't imagine that much cocaine in one spot yeah exactly
she's like you should look like a generic guy and he's like oh maybe I know you from this maybe he was hitting on who knows but like it definitely was
he definitely wasn't there it could have been like a random thing to like play out like look if I if I had a late Como
house I would also be asking random girls if I recognize that for my late Como estate 100 I was gonna say on both
sides you'd be like uh yeah I was there also be like oh hey were you at that like wonderful beautiful lavish party
that I have all the time George Clooney was there remember him yeah that's it we didn't have a really Como
party yeah yeah we always we do pranks because he's there with us all the time
so by early 1997 Andrew had had a few on-again Afghan relationships and it'd
be good and it began using math and alcohol quite frequently by this point it was kind of becoming
known in the San Francisco gay scene that Andrew was kind of a [ __ ] he had apparently maxed out credit cards
for a couple of these wealthy guys and was basically just supporting himself in between other rich men by just selling
drugs basically grifter in general at this time we're
going to introduce two men who become key fairs at the start of Andrew's murder spree one is David Matson who
Andrew would later call the love of his life and who lived in Minneapolis the other is Jeffrey Trail who also lived in
Minneapolis and had some involvement with Matson that Andrew did not like there there were obviously gay as well
they're in the same gay scene basically frame Andrew flew to Minneapolis on April 24th to stay with mats and hang
out with Trail at some point it sounds like Trail really didn't want Andrew there from the from everything I read
about this it seems like Andrew was one of those guys where like you had to be super strong when you set boundaries with them otherwise they're just like
habitual line steppers the trailer even told people that he really needed to have a serious
conversation with Andrew and that Andrew kind of scared him and part of the reason why Andrew scared him was because Trail was one of the people in the San
Francisco gay scene that was telling everyone this guy's a grifter he's trying to steal your [ __ ] like that's
all he's in for the info yes and news of that apparently got back to Andrew that
that trail had done this Andrew had grown obsessed that trail was also in a
relationship with Madsen who like I mentioned he called a lot of his life and this freaked trail out because Andrew's
a meth addicted alcoholic at this point so yeah not great on April 26th so two days after he's in
Minneapolis he's been staying in Madison's house Andrew tells Trail to come to Madison's apartment because on
an earlier visit that Andrew had gone to Trails house for he had stolen his gun and he wants to give it back to Trail
red flag number two that is okay okay I know you know that I don't like guns that's like another reason not to have a
gun is like someone could steal your gun and No One's Gonna hand you back or stolen gun okay okay yeah so exactly
it's like that's why I put red phone number too if your gun is ever stolen the only way to deal with that is to
call the police and tell them the serial number of that gun and if you know where it is tell them they go get it you don't
go get it you don't go get it no no no no no no no you don't meet that guy in a parking lot doesn't give back to you no no it's like
what what's the logical like why would you still it's like you sold for a good reason nobody steals a gun for a good
reason they steal it to wipe the serial numbers off and to go kill a homeless man like that's all you do with a stalling gun trail goes to this
apartment and as we see in the Netflix show very actively portrayed Andrew
Beats him to death with a hammer in front of Matt Center this was an Impulse thing this was not
like uh calculated deliberate serial killer this was like he just pissed him off and just like he grabbed the first
thing in front of his bashes skull and Madison was there to see the whole thing of much of his bad luck I think at this
point my take on this and Netflix's take on this was that Madison was basically scared shitless he was like I don't know
what to do this guy's unhinged like these guys out of his mind he's he's drunk as [ __ ] he's high as [ __ ] like I
don't know what to do he just killed the guy with a hammer for my house and he helped him roll Trail's body up in a rug
that they then put behind their the sofa so that's I feel like when you were like in the past episode notes even like
would you help someone hide a body you know that I feel like this is the case where I'd be like so scared of this
person that I just saw kill someone I wouldn't be like excuse me I'm gonna call the police you know I feel like
there's definitely a chance I'd be like cool cool cool cool cool cool cool you know you don't want to die so hey
I'm in this with you man I'm in this with you we're gonna be fine let's roll this body up together let's chop it up you want to chop it up let me chop it up
I got I got a hacksaw yeah yeah you do not want to confront a guy in your house in in this state no Madison stops going
to work because he just witnessed a man get Beat to Death In His kitchen with a
hammer so that raised some alarm bells and a co-worker decided to go to matson's house and check on him and at
which point he finds Trail's body at that point Andrew and Matson already hit the road and they had taken Madison's
Jeep to flee the scene essentially so for several days please try to find
the two of them and basically there's a bunch of leads coming in people saw them here they had dinner at this place whatever they would see them all over
the place they didn't catch them completely because on May 3rd Madison's
body was found near Rush City which is about an hour north of Minneapolis Andrew had shot him with a gun he stole
from a trail and thrown his body out of the car so that's Wonder number two which like okay there's no cell phones like maybe
when you're at a diner you just run away I don't know I don't know what you do it's the only blame that guy I mean I'll
already like like we know about it so like something happened yeah yeah the
same day that police find Madison's body Andrew arrives in Chicago in the now
stolen Jeep and he arrives to the home of Lee Milan Milan I think m-i-g-l-i-m
Lee's a really curious one again there's some conflict here between what Netflix
says and what people think but basically Lee was a super rich real estate tattoo
and he had a net worth of 50 million dollars at the time that he died whoa and again Lee was like a 72 year old
married married man of 40 years with two kids Nobody Knows Why Andrew went to
this guy's house there's no evidence of why he would have pinpointed this house
to actually drive to a knock on the door there was no force entry there was none of that Lee's family finds it really
really insulting that people suggest they knew each other because the assumption is that Lee was living a
secret life doing gay things on the side of being like this real estate Tycoon
executive Netflix made the editorial decision that they for sure had a relationship they had a relationship
that's the reason why Andrew knocked on that guy's for that night the one indication that this wasn't kind of like
a run-of-the-mill murder for Andrew was the way he killed him so again you have
a beating to death of a hammer you have a shot to death in the back of the head in this case he tied it up Lee's legs
and arms and his body was wrapped in tape and plastic his ribs have been
completely broken and he'd been stabbed either 40 or 20 times depending on the
source that you look at in his chest ultimately he was killed because Andrew
took a hacksaw to his throat like almost decapitating him
oh you didn't know him so that's the thing it's like why would you do something that insane to a total
stranger it's a that's why people were like we think he knows him but we're not sure
there were some some stories that were told where Andrea told people that he had he knew a rich family in Chicago
whose uh kid was named Duke and Lee has a kid named Duke and so okay people like
how would they have even mixed in the family himself like the only way they could have mixed would have been a gay
Bond a gay relationship and that's yeah and to them they're like of course that's not the case our dad was like you
know married to my mom and like who knows how would he have met like yeah that's just that's so weird yeah yeah I
don't even know this makes a sense okay so Andrew ditches the Jeep uh matson's
Jeep outside outside of Lee's house and steals his Lexus and at this point Andrea gets put on the FBI's top 10 most
wanted list so six days later Andrew would shoot a guy named William Reese he managed a
cemetery just went up to him and shot him in the back of the head and he stole the the stolen jeep was found outside of
Lee's house so he needed another car he ended up stealing uh William Reese's vehicle some red Chevy truck or
something this was on Main height that he did this so he only killed him for
the truck there was no connection there was no there was no stealing of money or anything like that was just for the truck using Reese's vehicle Andrew drove
to Miami Florida and rented a hotel room he basically just lived in Miami for about two months out in the open despite
being on the FBI's top 10 most wanted list again it's my Miami's a great place to escape everybody's running away from something everybody's assistant no one
really gives a [ __ ] yeah in 1992 Johnny Versace had purchased a mansion called casa casuarina
I think I nailed that it is now more commonly known as the Versace Mansion it is located on the
main drag of South Beach which is called Ocean Drive only because I knew you would ask this Taylor I did Zillow it oh
you did and it's expensive so the current estimate of value is 36 million
dollars what was it what's the address again yeah yeah wrote that down too it's one one one six
Ocean Drive okay baby Beach right yep so I do want to tell you that I'm looking
this up did you are you gonna get to the fact that two men were murdered in a murder suicide there in 2021 what no I
missed I just I just linked to I thought about a Vanity Fair article called two men found dead in the Versace Mansion
um it said police are still investigating this was from July 15 2021 but it was a day ahead of the 25th
anniversary or the 24th anniversary of versace's murder there were two men 31
year old Adam Russia of Randolph New Jersey and 30 year old Alexander gross of York Pennsylvania were found dead by
gotta chat rooms so I don't know if it was it's a potentially murderous suicide potentially double suicide but
it is it is look at the pictures of this thing like I was trying to put into ways
that I could describe it and really the only way I could describe it is if you've ever seen like versace's style of
clothing that he designed the house just looks like versace's house exactly the
only way apic oh it was like oh wow it has like a big open courtyard in the middle yeah like your eyes don't even
know where to look there's gold trim there's detailed tile mosaics if you look at the pool that's called the
million Mosaic pool because there's literally a million tiles being used to create the mosaic
there's columns statues pools it's just occulent in a way that would be super distasteful if anybody anybody but a
fashion designer lived there you'll be disabled wow it's a lot so I'm going to start with
red flag number three and red flag number three is the mansion itself I've never been inside the Mansion when I was
living in Miami but it's almost impossible to be in Miami and not drive
or walk by it Ocean Drive the street that it's on is where all the restaurants and bars of South Beach are
on and a lot of the clubs it is the street closest to the most beautiful white sand beaches Florida has to offer
to drive the point home of how publicly located this how this Mansion is if you
street view the address again 116 Ocean Drive you won't see the house do you
know why you won't see the house Taylor because of offense because there is a giant Miami tour bus stop in
bumper-to-bumper traffic blocking the Google Maps car from taking a picture of the house that's how packed this thing is and
that's how not private this thing was someone listed they initially listed the
house for sale for 125 million dollars when the first and ended up selling for
41 million dollars so they've really overestimated the amount of money they're putting for sale for this house it also is I love also a thing about the
little that I love is they do the rent zestimate the Britain's estimate is 196 000 a month
sounds about right so right now Taylor is actually a hotel and the and it is um it got converted as well so it has a
really rich history if you look at the house the house was created by an air to the Standard Oil fortune and then
transition into a hotel then Versace body and converted back to a house then it went back to a hotel then it got
conveyed again at 41 million dollars which is what you're reading there now
yeah I think they're trying to everybody knows the history they don't need to rub it in with like calling it the Versace Mansion you know we should
stay there and then also at Lizzie Borden's house so like I was actually kind of surprised
like okay 900 a night is a lot but it's on a Friday Saturday
in Miami directly across like that's as much as a fountain blue in Miami would be and you're staying in like the most
pristine property in the city so I don't know I don't know price wise I thought it was like actually fairly reasonable for what it was going back to the red
flag so what I'm saying is that if you are a certain social class the entire world wishes they were a part of just be
a little bit more elusive than literally having the most obvious home in the world in the most public place in the
world so I get it so for some reason that nobody can
really make sense of on July 15 1997 Versace walked from his front door to a
newsstand and on his way back at 8 45 a.m he's very very publicly shot in the head by Andrew the entrance of his house
again no clue why that was the day that was the time that was again he was
living his life in Miami like doing his thing that's why I don't get up before nine I hate the mornings dangerous yeah
absolutely right yeah what's weird is that every other murder he tries to evade things right like he
steals the car he goes to a different city he does whatever any like I say he's mostly living a normal life it
might be slowly why this guy why at this time it's so elusive obviously at this point Versace died
immediately and the public because it was so public people gave Chase to Andrew police were immediately in the
area and a Manhunt began they called it the biggest Manhunt in American history at that time but we don't I don't know I
didn't go through Google if that was accurate or not the day after the murder a boat owner at
a marina nearby in South Beach called the police and said somebody had broken into a boat at the marina like a
next-door boat or something police really didn't care they didn't really show up they didn't really think that much of it it wasn't until a week later
so on July 23rd when uh houseboat sitter so basically people would check on boats
when the owners aren't using them visited a boat and found the door was open and it looked like somebody had
been living there though the caretaker at that point knew that the actual owners of the houseboat hadn't been
there since December of the previous year so the caretaker then recalls hearing a
gunshot from one of the rooms leaves and calls the police the police the FBI descend on this thing they start trying
to talk to Andrew they're like trying to convince him to come out if I remember correctly it said like this was like a
standoff that lasted eight hours and it was already dead Andrew killed himself when they walked in like there's nobody to talk to and they just were like not
wanting to go inside and get blasted so he shot himself in the head obviously but the question around like why he
ended up choosing okay the first kill pure rage impulse second kill I gotta I gotta get rid of
the witness third kill I need money I need resources I'm gonna go to this guy's house fourth kill I need to call
him and steal his car this one's the one where it's just like I think it was literally just he was just a loser you
envy people that he could not be and Johnny Versace was the highest
personification of like what he could never be yeah some people thought it had to do with
HIV status so Johnny Versace or well he did have HIV but that's not the relevant part the relevant part is that
people had mentioned that Andrew thought that he had HIV and that he had said
he's going to take out his revenge on older men who like do this to younger men and there was like some thought he
was autopsy he didn't have HIV but people were like no he thought he did like he never got tested but he thought he had HIV so maybe that was a piece of
this too I don't know that's like I mean that's like I don't know what you're saying before but you
know people killing sex workers because they gave them an STD and it's like there's two two involved in that Tango
my friend well yeah nothing about a psycho psyche actually follows logic one thing that I
read you know it reminded me a lot of actually um uh John Lennon about Mark David Chapman because it was just like
just another nothing nobody loser who needs to take down somebody who's creating in the world because that was
something it's easier to what is that saying those who cannot build seek to destroy
and that's the only one the only one I really know is when in in The Wedding Planner when Jennifer Lopez says those
who can't wed plan [Laughter]
that's my number one of those that I remember page two JLo references
[Laughter] so and then and then largely this ended
up getting uh forgotten because one of the attendees is Johnny's funeral
died like less than a month after this happened you know what that is no Princess Diana
uh she went to the funeral no way yeah she went to the funeral and man the 90s
were wild dude it was like a week or two after that when she died I was at my friend Julie's house eating
pizza and I was so sad yeah I remember too I was with my parents we did our little summer trip to Vail where it was
in Summerville oh my God so yeah yeah it was a wild month but because of that you
know someone should just got like just it sunk like people stopped paying so much attention to this because that
person saying was a big story so yeah yeah that's our story around Andrew cunanan what a tragedy that's just like
that's just so like that your life can be taken away by like any random crazy person
in like two seconds like you've done like you've didn't do anything like for that specific to happen to you it just
happens because you're like in the right place or like if he hadn't like gone and gotten the paper you know or like hadn't
passed nine like you should you know yeah yeah there's just so many so many things that it could
like little things that lead up to it and make that happen yeah [ __ ] yeah awesome life
the coolest house the best every like and then some random idiot just gonna shoot in the head you're just like
covered in gold and like I don't know man he was effortlessly cool I will say
Johnny Versace when you look at his pictures you're like damn like that is a world famous designer like you can just
yeah he's got an error about him can't yeah I mean and his sister's still alive still doing Versace things I guess
even though Michael Kors bought it so she is still the creative director um Donatello Versace is still the
creative director and the vast majority of Johnny's estate actually was
bequeathed to his niece Allegro Versace who is Donatello's daughter
no yeah is estimated her net worth right now is about 800 million dollars and she's 36 years old
yeah every well when my sister had her baby my brother Kincaid who is who was
gay and not going to have children was like now my estate is divided into three because he's dividing his estate amongst
Disney's best stream you gotta have that some a
rich person in your family leave you something if you look at the guy who played Johnny Versace it is like crazy it's real good
yeah he nailed I mean you look at him side by side wow I see I found a picture of whoa
I heard that dog is she okay she upset that she's getting a sibling sibling yet I haven't told her uh-oh
divided it's gonna divide up your estate too yeah yeah exactly yeah so many
Medusa had medallions oh yeah so many it's so it's so like black with gold on
top of it is my picture of it it's just decadence opulence it's like just yeah
Dodge hella versace's husband's really cute yeah imagine she could attract a
attractive person something there's something to
International Fame Super Rich obscene wealth that weirdly draws people to you
I don't I don't really get it what is it I don't know what could it be what is
that mystery not mysterious or it's Rich so richer than you that's our stories Taylor is there
anything you want to sign off with I know you have it's almost sex and you have to go to a baseball game yeah
should be there at 5 45. I'd be there in two hours it's in the Palm Springs so yes I do have to go because I have to
get ready and find a baseball for the players to sign for the children you
know like you forgot that we're not in the same time zone um no it's almost four but still I still
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