How far do you think humanity went during the Space Race? Do you think that we (and really, we mean humanity) let people go out to space and just left them there??? It's possible!
How far do you think humanity went during the Space Race? Do you think that we (and really, we mean humanity) let people go out to space and just left them there??? It's possible!
Taylor is using 3D filament to 3D print various items
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do. We are back recording yet again. Taylor, how are you? How are your little lotus good printed things?
>> Taylor: I did another one. I just in between, I was able to press play on the next one and have it go like a factory in here. And then also printed, oh, my God, something to hold my. Our poker chips. Because the poker chips were in this, like, little briefcase and it broke and I was so mad at it. And then they're in like a bag and I was just mad at the bag. And now I have like a big
>> Farz: case for them that you3d printed.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: What is the name of the material that is used to 3D print?
>> Taylor: I'm using like PLA, which is like a plastic filament. And then you can use other different types of filament for that, like, are better for other. Like some is better for outdoors or like things that you want to, like, keep forever. You know, there's different levels of strength.
>> Farz: I think like, I should start a 3D filament company and just hyper target advertising to you specifically.
>> Taylor: I mean, I was keeping track of how much money I spent on it because I was like, oh, maybe I'll someday I'll like sell these things. But I'm like, online, on social media, everybody's so mean that I'm like, I don't want to try to sell craft things again because, like, whenever I do just never works out and everyone's mean and I just can't. So. So I'm just going to spend money and give things away.
>> Farz: Good. I like that.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures
>> Farz: Would you like to introduce us?
>> Taylor: Yes. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And I am Taylor, joined by Fars. Tell us a story.
>> Farz: I'm going to be telling a story which actually isn't even really a story. It's more so like a conspiracy theory.
>> Taylor: Ooh.
>> Farz: And the reason why I found it interesting was because it's. It's a conspiracy theory that has been sort of debunked, but it's not really debunkable. And it's also a terrifying conspiracy theory if it's true. That's why I thought it was fun and interesting. So I'm going to be covering lost cosmonauts.
>> Taylor: Ooh.
>> Farz: I'm going to frame this several ways. One is like, a little bit about, like, why space was so important in the first place. In the 1950s and 60s. I'm going to give some examples of actual cover ups from the Soviet Union and I'm going to give some examples of things that we assume, based on relatively reliable sources, that led to the cosmonaut theory and what happened after the fall of the Soviet Union to put us where we currently are.
>> Taylor: So I just finished the last of the Red Rising books. If anyone has read those, please reach out to me. Because, like, it's a lot of space war, like, war in space for six books. That's very intense. And I cried and I was mad. I'm mad and angry and I'm sad and a lot of emotions and Anyway, but that reminded me of that because there's a lot of dead bodies floating around in space.
>> Farz: Yeah. It's funny you say that because that's actually a big. The space war aspect was a big part of why this space race even started.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: So we will go ahead and we'll just jump right in.
The movie focuses on the Cold War between the United States and Soviet Union
So obviously, as most of us are aware, there was a tremendous competition after World War II between the United States and the Soviet Union. Is capitalism going to win? Is communism going to win? Is the American way the right way? Is the Soviet way the right way? That was kind of the entire background impetus that led up to the Cold War. And I need to stop talking about this movie. I literally wrote down. I didn't know what you were going to cover last week, so I literally wrote that in my outline. Hopefully you've all seen Oppenheimer.
>> Taylor: I actually haven't seen Oppenheimer. I don't. And I don't know why.
>> Farz: It's mostly just okay. It's mostly just okay. There's like, you have to be, like, a super wonk of American history. And, like, the things that are the most tense moments aren't even the bomb itself. The most tense moments are these weird, esoteric bureaucracy arguments. Like, this is like you, you. You could fall asleep during some of it. And if I'm being totally honest, nobody's gonna accept this, but I will say that Matt Damon, Robert Dairo, or not Robert Dairo, Robert Downey, Jun, Emily Blunt kind of sucked in their roles. Like, I kind of didn't like them. Like, they, they were bad actors in their roles, in my opinion. I thought they were, like, overwrought in a lot of ways. Tillian Murphy was great.
>> Taylor: I just watched. I watched a lot of cable TV recently because I was visiting my mom, and my mom, like, still watches TV with commercials. And it just, like, drives me insane. And I make fun of her all the time. And I'm like, mom, it sort of started. This happens. She's like, Well, I like TiVo things. Fast forward through the commercials. I'm like, no, it's 2026. Stop it. But we watched Ocean's Eleven with 7,000 interruptions for commercials. But it was fun. That Damon was like so young. Everyone was so young.
>> Farz: No, that was, that was really good. There's. If you ever watch it, tell me and I'll tell you the scenes that just like, I'll tell you afterwards what the scenes are where if you watch it with like a different perspective, like, this is stupid acting. This is really bad acting.
>> Taylor: I'll watch it maybe like while I'm working or something. You know, I'm just. Emails in the background. Yeah.
>> Farz: So anyways, the whole point was if you've seen the movie or you know who the guy is or anything that you're familiar with the fact that we mostly continued the development of nuclear weapons after Germany surrendered during World War II, because we basically clocked that the USSR was like the next big opponent. And there was questions on whether we were going to be on parity with them on technological and weapons supremacy. That was the entire idea. As a result, in the late 1950s and 60s, the two governments raced each other to prove who was better at these capabilities. And a big part of that had to do with people and objects going into outer space. Why does that matter? Obviously one side of it is the bragging rights. The biggest part of it though had to do with the fact that rockets that can get objects into outer space are also rockets that you can throw a nuclear weapon on and send across oceans. That was really the reason behind it. But you couldn't just test that because if you start testing bombs flying across the Atlantic and Pacific, people are going to freak out.
>> Taylor: Right? There was like some launch from Florida of astronauts where they were like 15 minutes in the crash stop. The crash place that was on call was Ireland because like that's the way they went up, you know, and they just went up, scooted over and like could have taken a 50 minute plane right to Ireland, Florida.
>> Farz: Well, yeah, efficient.
>> Taylor: I know that'd be kind of cool.
>> Farz: That would be very cool. One day the concord will come back. The way the US has historically operated was like literally the opposite of how the Soviet Union operated it. This also, like, I think, like, this plays a lot into why Americans are way harsher on America than other countries are with themselves. Because like, I like looked up like police departments in America report crime statistics. So when you report something, it's like a crime wave is overtaking this part of the. It's like, no, it's just every place else doesn't care and doesn't want the blame.
>> Taylor: And just like, that's the whole Florida man joke too. Like the Florida. Yes, because we know more about Florida. Like Florida doesn't have a disproportionate amount of meth heads. Like it just, is it just. They just had that. Is it the sunshine? Sunshine, yeah, yeah, that like they report everything and other states are like, let's not tell everybody what our dumbest people are doing. But Florida's like, yeah.
>> Farz: So the American program, the American space program ran largely in public. Launches were announced ahead of time. They were televised, they were narrated. Whether they were successes or failures, we all knew everything all the time. That was kind of the way America did it. The Soviet program ran completely in the dark. Missions were revealed only after they had succeeded. The names of designers were state secrets in the official record, including photographs. A lot of times they'd get edited even after the fact to like someone might fall out of favor with Nikita Khrushchev. And so you don't want to publish the photograph of that guy in there. And so you just edit. Edited him out. And so that's how they ran. And the secrecy is like the most important part of the story because everything that follows kind of depends on, on it. Long story short is like if you don't think the government is telling you the entire truth and you're going to fill in the gaps yourself in a lot of ways.
>> Taylor: Right. Kind of like that's going to create those theories.
>> Farz: Exactly.
The lost cosmonaut theory says the Soviet Union lost several astronauts
>> Taylor: Like they're doing something weird. Yeah.
>> Farz: So the, the earliest stories that had to do with the lost cosmonaut theory, which is basically that the Soviet Union at some point lost one to several individuals to outer space, never to recover them again. That's the, that's the premise of the theory. In December of 1959, an Italian news agency circulated claims that were attributed to some high ranking Czech Communists that the USSR had already been launching men on suborbital rockets and that several had died. And the agency printed their name. It was, it was. Well, I said men. It was three men and one. One woman. And if I could, I would read these names. Actually, I'll read the first names. Alexi, Andre, Sergei and Maria. The last names I can't do. So we'll discard that. There, there's no evidence for any of these people having existed in any capacity. I, I looked like I dug pret figure out like, was there any. There was Maria Gramova.
>> Taylor: She.
>> Farz: There. There was two of her, but they were born in 84 and 88 and they were like competitive swimmers. So none of these people seem to have actually existed.
>> Taylor: This little Wikipedia page for her, right?
>> Farz: Exactly.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: The names appear nowhere except for. In the rumor itself was being passed along by this Czech communist newspaper which like gives it some credence because it's like, well, they were aligned like the Soviet. They. They were part of the Soviet bloc at that time. And so it was. It had more credibility than it probably should have. Around the same time, there's this guy named Herman Oberth who I've never heard of before, but he seems like the biggest elephant in any room having to do with like rockets. He stated that a pilot had been killed on a suborbital flight from a Soviet launch site in early 1958. He didn't offer any sources for this, but it was reported out that he made this claim. And for context, again, this guy Oberth was like the biggest thing in rocket propulsion technology. Here's how credible he was. You can go on NASA's website right now and there will be a picture with him with famous N*** rocket scientist Werner von Braun. And Werner is holding an award that is being given to him by Oberth called the Oberth Award. Wow. Like that's the category this guy falls into, which adds credibility. Right. If he's telling you he's heard these stories and he heard these things, then like there's. And you also know you're dealing with this kind of shady government that is not going to be transparent about. Transparent about anything. It gives us some credibility and some weight. The following spring, the rumor reached out, reached one of this. This science fiction writer who is actually the one who wrote Storm Ship. Storm Ship Troopers?
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Robert.
>> Taylor: Starship Troopers.
>> Farz: Starship Troopers, yeah.
>> Taylor: Sorry, yeah.
>> Farz: Robert Heinlein, who was traveling in Soviet Lithuania in May of 1960. And he also wrote that he had heard from some cadet during his travels that the USSR had put somebody in orbit earlier that day. So that's kind of where all this is originating from. Some of the earlier rumors had like a concrete source and it was real spacecraft programs rather than just like random off the books programs essentially before sending up a human. Soviet engineers flew uncrewed test capsules to validate what's called the Vostok program, which is basically the name they give to their space exploration program. The whole point of it was to eventually build up to sending a human in Space, obviously, we know they got Sputnik out there, yada, yada, yada, before humans went up. That was really the biggest part of the race between the Soviets and the US Is who's going to get a man in space first? Do you know who won?
>> Taylor: They won.
>> Farz: They won. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Yuri Gregari. Yes, There we go. In some of these initial tests that they ran as part of the Vostok program, the spacecraft the Soviets launched carry bannequins. So they would launch these with mannequins inside because they're trying to build up to a program that would send humans in space. Yeah, they named. They named one of their mannequins Ivan Ivanovich. So, like, they were referred to this mannequin with a human name. So if you were just like, by the water cooler, you know, like, you might actually think this mannequin's a real person.
>> Taylor: That's what I would name a fake Russian. In a book I was writing, I was like, think of a Russian name. I would name him that.
>> Farz: They probably didn't believe it if they're actually Russian. Yeah. The engineers faced a unique problem. They needed to test whether the capsule's radio could actually transmit a human voice back to the ground. But they. But they couldn't use ordinary speech because they didn't want to risk foreigners intercepting it and being able to kind of understand it and all that stuff. Their solution was to transmit recordings that were just, like, super confusing, made no sense whatsoever. They used choirs singing. They use, like, a voice reading the Alphabet out loud. So voices that were getting picked up. Once this transmission started during this test flight as part of the Bostock program, they didn't belong to anybody on board. But people who heard it didn't know any better, and they thought, there's actually somebody up there. And we know for a fact this thing did not come back to ground.
>> Taylor: So are you saying that you think that maybe they weren't mannequins?
>> Farz: Well, that contributes to the theory, right? It contributes to the theory that, like, well, like, they gave this thing a name and we heard voices. We know they're being tracked to this space shuttle or this craft that will never come back to Earth. Yeah, the presumption was, yeah, they actually sent somebody out there, and frankly, I'm not trying to be rude, but, like, they did a lot of messed up s*** back then. The Soviets also put a dog, I think her name was Latka, into a spaceship and sent it out into, like, yeah, that's insane.
People would volunteer for that. Would you really? Yeah. Of course. But they probably get up to monkeys that's like, categorically insane
But they probably get up to monkeys that's like, categorically insane. Why wouldn't they do that with a human?
>> Taylor: Wouldn't be surprised if they just. People would volunteer for that. You know that you'd be like, yes, I want us to win the space race, and I am very patriotic, and I would go, you know, I think
>> Farz: you, man, you would have to give me, like, multiple guns.
>> Taylor: We are the people who are going to volunteer for this, but I think,
>> Farz: like, I'm not volunteering for that.
>> Taylor: People, especially in, like, a place like Soviet Russia where you're being, like, so indoctrinated with whatever, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah. Caleb, what would you do? How fast would you buy down the cyanide pill?
>> Taylor: I don't know. I feel like I would wait a long time.
>> Farz: Would you really?
>> Taylor: Yeah. Because I'd be like, I'm seeing s*** that, like, no one's ever seen before.
>> Farz: You're seeing nothing. Nothing. 99.999 to a trillion nines of space is nothing.
>> Taylor: I don't know.
>> Farz: Yeah. If you sent me up there, you'd have to send me up there with, like, multiple weapons in case any of them jam with, like, 50 different kinds of pills that will kill me. But there's no chance. No chance at all. So going back to our writer, author in Soviet Lithuania. So the date that he noted, May 15, 1960, which is the date that he was told was when this Red Cadet army guy told him that this happened, was the launch of one of these test crafts that had the human mannequin inside of it, which was designated horrible Sputnik 1. And what ended up happening with that flight, which is why everybody assumes that there was actually somebody in there, it had no heat shield because no one actually intended to ever bring it back. A Soviet capsule was now circling the Earth, totally unrecoverable.
>> Taylor: Great.
>> Farz: It was documented. Everybody knew it happened. And it had transmitted human voices. Of course. It was bullshit. It was like choir and people reading the Alphabet. Right. Like, it wasn't. But it helped kind of contribute to this. This narrative.
>> Taylor: No, I think. Yeah. That's scary.
An intercontinental ballistic missile exploded in 1960, killing about 120 people
>> Farz: Then there's our episode. So our episode, episode 211, which was entitled Playing the Devil's Venom. In it, I cover this explosion that occurred in October 20, on October 24 of 1960, where an intercontinental ballistic missile was trying to be launched. The rocket is trying to be launched for it, and then the fuel is incredibly volatile, and it exploded, killing about 120 people, which nobody heard of. This happened in 1960. Nobody knew about it until after the Soviet collapse. It actually went Came public, came into public view in 1989 which again points like there was stuff going on there that was kept state secrets that nobody was willing to talk about.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: Again, episode 211, I go into great detail this thing, it's literally called the Devil's venom. It's like really, really volatile. You should. Yeah, it's interesting story. The pattern also repeated later and on March 23rd of 1961, a 24 year old fighter pilot named Valentine. I'm not going to pronounce his last name. He was nearing the end of a multi day endurance test in an isolated isolation chamber in Moscow. The chamber's atmosphere was enriched with oxygen and according to what was published in the press, apparently what happened is that Valentine had finished some medical measurements, then use an alcohol soaked cotton ball to like wipe down his, his skin. And then he discarded the cotton ball and the cotton ball touched what's what they're referring to as a hot electronic element. And in an oxygen rich environment it was enough to basically just like cause immediate vaporization. Like the fire was just like complete in total and he just burned to death.
>> Taylor: It's so scary. Working in those labs were like something could happen.
>> Farz: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. What ended up happening with that story was it was, it happened right before Yuri Gregarian's like big flight. And so as a result none of this was was made public. In fact, this is one of those stories that I mentioned earlier where they actually took him off the images that were like he was in photos and then they removed him from the photo and they republished those photos. So like they pretend this guy existed or they pretend he didn't exist? Basically, yeah, that one didn't come out. So that. What year was that? That was 1961. That story didn't come out until 86. So again people knew that they worked with their buddy Valentine and now he's nowhere to be seen. So yeah, what ended up happening was six years after Valentine suffered this, this death, the exact same thing happened with three astronauts, US astronauts on the crew of the Apollo 1, where they were also locked into the capsule and it was an oxygen rich environment and fire sparked and they all died. Apparently what ended up happening was because it was highly pressurized, they couldn't actually open the door and get them out. And so that was.
>> Taylor: And they could like hear them screaming. Right? It was awful.
>> Farz: Yeah, they were like right there like, I mean it was on the ground and they were being monitored and so they were like in the window burning to death and they couldn't do Anything about it.
>> Taylor: Oh, f****** terrible.
>> Farz: But it's stuff like that where it's like, if you don't hide this stuff and we don't. Like, we weren't hiding our stuff. So they probably learned a lot of. From our mistakes. And so we. They could have been somewhat altruistic and made this stuff public, except for the fact that there was all this weird pride involved in it. 1961, April 12, 1961, is when Yuri Gagarin became the first human into orbit outer space. He was part of Lost Doc one and returned alive. And it was a big announcement, a big show of success, and they beat us. Which is when Candy lost his mind. He didn't lose his mind, but he was like, now we got to go to the moon. We got to be. Yeah, that's going to be cooler. Would be way more rad. Almost immediately it was pretty cool. Almost immediately there was a competing story that was attached to Yuri's flight. And it centered around this guy named Vladimir Eluchin, who was like this really big shot Soviet test pilot whose dad was like a plane designer and engineer. And like he was a. It was a big shot family from a. From the government side in the Soviet Union apparently. And this was published in some newspaper in the, in the UK by this guy named Dennis Ogden. Like what ended up actually happening was that this guy, Vladimir Lucian had been in a very serious car accident and that what illusion was actually the one who flew. They're basically saying that it wasn't Yuri that went up, it was illusion that went up. This car accident is a fabrication. Illusion suffered some catastrophic loss in outer space or whatever, like some injury. And that's what actually ended up happening. And so that's sort of floating around. A French broadcaster then dug this up and pointed to the fact that this guy was still in a coma from his car accident and all that. And then the US picked it up and they further claims, because they had a political interest in furthering these claims that this guy was actually the one that did it. And I never totally. I dug quite a bit on this story and I never totally understood why this story got so much more coverage. But this became like kind of like the focal point. I think it had something to do with the fact that it was the biggest win of the Soviet Union and the fact that this guy was such a big wig and he coincidentally had like this catastrophic car accident that like horribly named him that made people just say, oh, well, it wasn't really Yuri, it was this guy. And it wasn't a success. It was a disaster. In this case, in a coma. That was basically like, I think what the logic behind it was. Apparently there's like a ton of documentaries and books written about this and I'm sure if you go down our YouTube rabbit hole, you can find like years worth of content on it as well. But the.
>> Taylor: But wait, so they're saying that Yuri didn't. Didn't go up at all.
>> Farz: Didn't go up at all. And it wasn't a success because it was really this guy Illusion, who.
>> Taylor: But they got him back.
>> Farz: Yeah, they got him back, but he's in a coma.
>> Taylor: Got it.
>> Farz: And they made up a car accident story as a subterfuge, essentially.
>> Taylor: Got it.
>> Farz: Then there is the story of these two brothers who are very Italian. It's like Giovanni Batista Judica Portugalio. Like, it's a really complicated Italian name. But they're basically self made, I don't know, like satellite watchers. And so they had actually created their own satellite watching devices and observ, like recording devices, which gives them a lot of credibility in the world's eye because this is an easy stuff to do and they're able to do it themselves. Apparently they scavenged some of this stuff, but they built it themselves as well. And what they were able to do, and they were actually tracking real spacecraft, by the way, like, they weren't like making stuff up. They actually had the ability to track real spacecraft.
In 1967, the Soviet space program suffered a disaster
They came out and said that they had a series of recordings that they intercepted from secret Soviet missions that ended in people's death. They kind of assembled this together and they put together sequences for the disaster and they correlated that to timelines, the timetables that were actually officially reported to kind of show that, yes, they can actually deduce that this recording happened. This is when they said they launched. And this is the outcome they're telling us is wrong. Because here's what the recordings we have say. They published one recording that they received and they were. They published the recording itself. And then I read the transcript of it. I couldn't find the recording itself, but the transcript essentially in Russian state. I can see a flame. I can see a flame. I feel hot. I feel hot. 32, 32, 41, 41. Am I going to crash? Yes. Yes. I feel hot. I feel hot. I will reenter. I am listening. I feel hot.
>> Taylor: Oh, no.
>> Farz: So. So they published that. And yeah, everybody picked up on it. And they're like, this is someone who died. It was a woman's voice too. And so that's why I think they tie that Maria woman at the beginning I talked about. Yeah. Because it was a woman's voice. They're like that. This, this had to be some. One of these people because it again, aligned with a timetable that they were looking at when it came to official, official launches.
>> Taylor: Wow.
>> Farz: But here's a part of it that is counterfactual. The serious blow to the whole theory came when a reporter went looking for some of the victims and found them alive. So several of the names that were circulated as people who were dead cosmonauts, they came from this 1959 Soviet magazine and had. It was mostly high altitude parachutists. And there were several people among them. One of those three people that were listed actually did die. But that guy died because he was doing what that bomb Garner guy from Red Bull was doing. He was trying to jump out of a balloon at 92,000ft and he hit his head on the side of the thing when he came out and it cracked open his, his visor and, and it depressurizes suit. And he just literally, he died of like, lack of oxygen, basically.
>> Taylor: He has had the basket.
>> Farz: It's. It was called a balloon gondola. So. Yeah.
>> Taylor: Oh my God, he didn't even make it like a foot off of the balloon.
>> Farz: 92,000ft up. That's what it was. Yeah. To run the convergence on meter. So like, what is that, like 35,000ft? It's like. No, no, it's much, much higher.
>> Taylor: Ew. Again, again, we're not volunteering for any of this space.
>> Farz: We're not volunteering for any of this. But, but, but that was the whole point was like some of these names have been published as people who had died throughout this experiment and, and they only found one. And we know why the guy died. We know his visor cracked and that's what ended up happening to him. In 1967, the Soviet space program suffered a disaster. And it became very transparent. Obvious to everyone it was this guy, Vladimir Pomerov, I can pronounce that one, who was a cosmonaut and the first Soviet to be sent into space twice. So he was kind of national hero. And in 1923, or sorry, on April 23, 1967, he went up on Soyuz 1. And the mission had problems from the very beginning. And the details don't matter, like, whatever, like the solar panel, did it deploy, all that stuff. Long story short is that it wasn't properly pressurized as it was coming back down to Earth. And the same thing that happened to the first guy, the bomb gardener guy. Happened to them where these three landed on Earth. And when their capsule was open, they were all dead because they had no air, they had no oxygen.
>> Taylor: I just. And so is it, like, am I an a****** if I think it? Like, you should expect the people to die if you're. If you're practicing going into space? Like, I don't think. I think it's end of the world, but I guess it is because of the Cold War.
>> Farz: At this point in time, it's probably not crazy to think that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Part of the story had to do with, like, they could have, in theory, worn their pressurized face suits, but those were. You couldn't fit three people in there in their space suits at the same time. So maybe they had negotiations like, one of us isn't going to wear it, and nobody wanted to draw the straw, and they just decided to all die together.
>> Taylor: Okay, I would. I would insist on wearing a spacesuit if it was.
>> Farz: What's interesting about this one is that here's what also kind of contributes to this lost cosmonaut theory is that the US Intercepted some of the communications from the spacecraft down to the Central Command, and there they heard the cosmonauts talking about how angry they were, their government and at the people on the ground who did this. Because it was said that this was a rush job and they just weren't. They're doing this for pride, not because they were super prepared to do it.
>> Taylor: Right.
>> Farz: And so again, that contributes like, they were willing to risk people's lives. Like, that was kind of their.
>> Taylor: Their mo Which I'm not surprised by. I guess it's like the thing.
Taylor: It's possible that there's somebody in space right now
Like, it's not. That's not talking like. I don't know, like, just. I feel like a lot of people probably died.
>> Farz: More than 100.
>> Taylor: I feel like the actual answer is, like, a lot of people died.
>> Farz: So the short of it is that we learned about all these disasters after the fall of the Soviet Union. And so anybody who's done a lot of research on this has reached an inclusion that, like, we probably know. We need to know. But also we're getting data from a government that categorically hid things, quantifiably hid things for over sometimes almost 30 years.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And so is it. And they also erase people. They also deleted people. Right. Like, there's records of them removing that. One guy mentioned the top valentine from all the images and content that was being released. So is it possible that there's somebody who's literally floating out in space right now because the Soviets just didn't tell anybody that happened. I don't know. To me, it seems very doable. It seems like a real possible thing. And I'm going to end this one by saying that it's real and there's somebody who is an icy corpse floating out into the outer reaches of space right now.
>> Taylor: I think it's 100 true. Also, did you know that Yuri Gregory Gagarian died in a plane crash in 1968? In, like, a weird way, it also has conspiracy theories around it, so I feel like they didn't want him to say more things either.
>> Farz: Yeah, lovely.
>> Taylor: You know, I don't know. I'm willing to believe that one. I'm willing to believe it doesn't, like, hurt. I don't know. It doesn't hurt that much.
>> Farz: Do you remember that?
>> Taylor: Exactly.
>> Farz: You remember that guy who was, like, Putin's best friend and he started that, that Wagner group, and it was like his private black army militia thing that he was sending into the, into Ukraine, and then the guy turned on Putin, and do you remember this? Where they, like, they, they took a bunch of tanks and started going to Moscow, like they were trying to get to Kremlin. And then somebody made, like, he revolted against Putin with his own army, and then they made friends again, and then he just mysteriously died in, like, a helicopter accident. Like, it's like, it's not that crazy. That had no, it was like, two years ago, Taylor. That wasn't, like, in the 1960s.
>> Taylor: It's not exclusive to Russia, the Soviet Union. I mean, I'm willing to believe that, like, plenty of things happen where they just, like, oh, this person, you know, died in a car accident or whatever,
>> Farz: or hung himself in a jail cell.
>> Taylor: Exactly. And like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm, I, I. This one, this one. I, like, I'm willing to believe this one, and I hope that we find someone someday. It's a lot of up there. Like, I think the thing, I think to your, to your thing earlier when I was like, oh, in space, like, it'd be cool. You're like, oh, Taylor's nothing there. And I'm like, oh, you're right. But like, the, When Sputnik first came out and people knew it was out or up there or whatever, like, people in America, like, walked out of their houses, they thought they could see it. Like, that's fun. You know, that is fun. You know, you're just like, what, can I see this? Remember when I saw the Starlink satellites. Did I tell you that it was cool? Yeah, I thought that. I was like, dude, I think that this is. I think the aliens are coming. Because it was like 15 dots in a row going really, really fast. And I was like. We were like, what the is that? It was cool.
>> Farz: So I had that same experience when I was, when I was living in la. We're in Eagle Rock and I left the grocery store and everybody just. It was like a movie set. Everybody stopped. There was no cars moving, no humans were moving. Everybody was just staring at the sky. And I like looked up, I was like, oh my God, this is it.
>> Taylor: I can still see the space. I can see the space. The space. Was it the satellites or the launch?
>> Farz: I mean, so the one I saw had to do with the Starlink. That was not like one thing going up. That was like what you're describing where it's like multiple objects kind of like creating their own weird traveling. Yeah, we should do that someday. We should go like. It's not that far from here. We could literally go watch a launch.
>> Taylor: That'd be fun. My dad sees them all the time. Cuz he lives in Florida on the beach and like he saw the guys go to the moon. I posted it on our Tik tok cuz it's cool. Like he, he sees them all the time.
>> Farz: It was cool.
>> Taylor: Yeah, that's. Is that dog still up there too?
>> Farz: Yeah, they never got locked to back.
Taylor: I'd rather go into outer space than the bottom of the ocean
>> Taylor: Okay,
>> Farz: you just reminded me, you just reminded me that there is a red convertible Tesla with a man with a mannequin in a spacesuit floating out in the middle of the universe. You remember that?
>> Taylor: No, you don't remember?
>> Farz: You know when they launched SpaceX launched a Tesla into. Why?
>> Taylor: Just for fun.
>> Farz: Just for fun. Like there's pictures of it. They put like GoPros all outside of it and you could watch it. They put his hands on the steering wheel.
>> Taylor: It's really funny. I mean that one I believe is a mannequin, but that's hilarious.
>> Farz: So anyways, that's my story. I'm gonna be in the camp of there's definitely somebody up there. At least one and maybe more. Who knows?
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah.
>> Farz: Who knows? Who knows what North Korea did as it was developing an icbm, right? We don't think that they did that.
>> Taylor: And like, I mean even like to your. To the devil's venom thing, like you know, a building bloated, a lot of people died. Like that's going. That happens.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: I don't know.
>> Farz: Well, scary. Scary and fun. I'm into it. I'd still rather go into outer space than the bottom of the ocean.
>> Taylor: I don't know. That's a good question.
>> Farz: Like, I feel like the bottom of the ocean is way more dangerous and
>> Taylor: scary is like pressure sorted and I'm worried about that. I just, like, I'm worried about that.
>> Farz: It's zero pressure.
>> Taylor: Yeah. There's no pressure, I think. Yeah. I mean, I feel like there's more animals in the ocean.
>> Farz: That's a fair assessment.
>> Taylor: No, can kill you. There's probably something in space that can kill you. I mean there's lots of things. It's probably animals or whatever, you know what I mean? Aliens. But the underwater eaten by a giant squid.
>> Farz: Just stay on the ground. That's your best bet.
>> Taylor: Yeah, no, I agree.
>> Farz: If you have any opinions, ideas, thoughts, anything you'd like to share, please write to us.
>> Taylor: Tell us some fun conspiracy theories. I want to hear those. Good.
>> Farz: Yeah. And it's funny because a lot of these things somehow, some way find a way to be true. Like we learned that the government didn't kill jfk, but somebody that worked for the government accidentally shot him in the head because his colleagues were hungover. So like, you know, like something like that.
>> Taylor: Yeah. My. I. I like the idea, I haven't said this before, that like we've been this far in civilization before and destroyed ourselves and rebuilding.
>> Farz: Yeah, I can buy that. Yeah, Totally, totally buy that.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Anywho. Yeah, write to us doomflpodmail.com find us on all the socials at Doom to fell pod. Taylor, do you have anything else to sign us off with?
>> Taylor: No. Please tell your friends, please give us a review. That'd be awesome.
>> Farz: We'd very much appreciate that. Okay, on that note, Taylor, I'll go ahead and cut it off there.
>> Taylor: Thank you.