In the not-so-distant past, 1952 to be exact, London experienced several days of pea-soup colored, deadly fog. The combination of coal, diesel engines, cold weather, and an anticyclone (which is a new word for us) ended up causing 12,000 deaths. Dig out your kn95 masks and join us for The Great Smog of London.
In the not-so-distant past, 1952 to be exact, London experienced several days of pea-soup colored, deadly fog. The combination of coal, diesel engines, cold weather, and an anticyclone (which is a new word for us) ended up causing 12,000 deaths.
Dig out your kn95 masks and join us for The Great Smog of London.
Taylor: It is oppressively hot in Texas right now
>> Taylor: In the matter of the people of State of California vs. Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA096.
>> Farz: And so, my fellow Americans, ask not. Boom. Taylor. We are live and on the radio. Not really, but how are you?
>> Taylor: I'm good. How are you?
>> Farz: I'm good. It is exceedingly in. Oppressively hot in Texas.
>> Taylor: Gross.
>> Farz: And so, yeah, the need to be inside is overwhelming.
>> Taylor: Mm. I'm sure.
>> Farz: What's going over there?
>> Taylor: Nothing is nice. It's a little cloudy and big. We were in Big Bear this weekend, which is like a little bit cooler than it is here. When on the lake, it was really pretty. It was nice, I guess. I mean, I just said it's kind of cool and Cloudy and it's 94, so what do I know?
>> Farz: I mean, that's still an improvement from here. I think it was 106 yesterday.
>> Taylor: Ew, gross. That's so 94 by you, too. But you have. You have the humids we got.
>> Farz: It's. I don't know. I think the humidity mostly hits in the Houston area. Here it's just dry terribleness. I was literally out at a nursery looking for plants that I could put up from the ground and trying to figure out what could actually stand this. Because then you have the swing and wintertime to 15 degrees for a couple of weeks. And so, yeah, it's not the easiest, but whatever it is what it is,
>> Taylor: I'm sure they know. Someone could have figured it out.
>> Farz: Paradise of Barbados is what I settled on, which are beautiful, beautiful, very, very large shrubs that have incredible plants that look like nice yellow and orange and red. It's really cool. So anyways, I'll settle on that eventually.
>> Taylor: Perfect.
Taylor: I'm going to see the Odyssey with Christopher Nolan tonight
>> Farz: You want to introduce us? Yes.
>> Taylor: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Doomed to Fail. We bring you historical disasters and failures. And I'm Taylor, joined by farce.
>> Farz: Yes. We are here to talk about something historical. And as a caveat, I. As we talked about on the last episode, I've not seen the Odyssey, but I'm going tonight. I'm preparing myself for Taylor. I'm sure it's going to be great because like I said, Christopher Nolan. I mean, I love Troy, and this is like an extension sort of that.
>> Taylor: It literally is not. That's just, like, so hilarious. But like, someone else said that this was like a sequel to Troy, and
>> Farz: it's like, no, so. So this is like the prequel Detroit then. But whatever.
>> Taylor: No, but I mean, no, it's not. It's. It is after Troy, but it's not like the movies aren't comparable at all.
>> Farz: Whatever, whatever. Brad Pitt's gonna be doing this thing. It's fine. We'll. We'll.
>> Taylor: I also feel like you don't know how gay Achilles is when you talk about Brad Pitt as Achilles.
>> Farz: Is he gay?
>> Taylor: Super gay.
>> Farz: I didn't know that. I did not know that.
>> Taylor: But.
>> Farz: But, like, regardless, like, I'm gonna go see it. And I am really, like, I'm excited, but I'm also nervous because, man, three hours for me is like, I think
>> Taylor: you're gonna be fine. Where are you sitting? Are you sitting on the edge so you can pee if you have to?
>> Farz: I don't know. Rachel got the tickets.
>> Taylor: I did see someone, because I know last time when we talked about it, you were like, there's no one Greek in it. And then I saw a Greek person saying. Which is actually makes a lot of sense. He said, in Greece, even for normal length movies, they have an intermission and someone. Someone comes into the theater and sells you more food, and you can go outside, smoke a cigarette, and then come back in. And, like, that makes a lot of sense.
>> Farz: That should be the way they do it here, you know? Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like, I feel like that'd be great.
>> Farz: Me and Rachel trying to take bets on how many times we're gonna get up and pee. I think we settled on at least four times. Yeah.
>> Taylor: I mean, there used to be an app called Run P. Do you remember that? And it would tell you when you can go. When you should go to be.
>> Farz: That's brilliant. That's brilliant.
>> Taylor: You'd be like, oh, I went at, like, hour 15. And then it would tell you, this is what you missed, you know, and then you can run back.
>> Farz: Oh, that'd be. That'd be really cool. I don't know if that's. Well, can you tell me, like, when should I go? Like, is there some crescendo I should be paying attention to so that I don't go pee then?
>> Taylor: I don't know. It's sort of like a time vortex.
>> Farz: Okay.
>> Taylor: You know, like, I couldn't tell you when stuff was happening.
>> Farz: Okay. All right, well, I'm gonna have to learn. I'm gonna have to look. You know, what, with Christopher Nolan movies, I always watch them 17 times. So, like, whatever. If I catch. If I miss it this time, I'm sure I'll see it again.
>> Taylor: So you'll see it again.
Last week in the Midwest, air quality was so bad that people couldn't breathe
>> Farz: Taylor, you are going to share your story with us today.
>> Taylor: I am. Are you ready?
>> Farz: I am.
>> Taylor: Okay, so remember last week or whatever when you couldn't go outside in the north, the Midwest, because of the air quality.
>> Farz: Right.
>> Taylor: So just to put us in space and time, we're in July 2026, and there was. There is probably still some terrible wildfires in Canada, which made the air in, like, New York City and Chicago look really bad. And a lot. In a lot of those areas, like, so bad in a way that, like, it reminds me of Chernobyl because that, you know, the air quality index on your phone goes to 500. So I heard several people say, like, the air quality was 500 bads. Like, right now mine is 64, which is fine, but it was way more than that. It was, like, in the thousands, but the monitor only goes to 500. You know what I mean? Like, remember in Chernobyl when they were like, oh, this has, like, this much radiation, but, like, it was so much more. It's just that the thing used to measure it didn't even go that high, you know, so it was. It was really bad in a lot of America and Canada this past couple weeks. And a lot of people that couldn't. Couldn't breathe, shouldn't go outside, stayed inside. It was like, you know, you couldn't see the sun in Chicago for, like a day. All sorts of crazy stuff was happening because of the smoke. It smelled like a campfire everywhere, you know, really, really bad. So I have a story about a time when you couldn't breathe in a city and a lot of very bad things happened.
>> Farz: Sweet. Is it. This is the chlorine thing in Texas?
>> Taylor: No, it is the great smog of London from 1952.
>> Farz: All right, that sounds equally bad.
>> Taylor: So it feels like. I feel like it should be older than 1952, because when I think of London, I think of, like, Jack the Ripper, Victorian times in very smoggy and foggy and cool stuff. But it, you know, extends obviously, like throughout, like, the 50s and 60s and into, you know, more recent times. But this is post war London. It is December 1952. And as a direct result of this incident, about 12, 000 people are going to die from it.
>> Farz: Wow.
>> Taylor: Which is a lot. It is one of the deadliest air pollution disasters in world history. So it definitely, like, made its mark.
London has been using coal as a source of energy and heat since 1200s
So let's talk about cities and how smoky they are. So obviously, like, if you could go back in time to, like, a city of any time, I feel like the smells would be, like the first thing that you noticed. You know, you'd be like, oh, my God, there's like horse poop everywhere. There's, like burning fires. There's burning coal. There's just things that, like rotting bodies, the river. Yeah. People are pooping everywhere. You know, you're. They're throwing their chamber pots out the window just like. Just like smells that, like, you don't get in a modern American city for sure, or like a modern European city. So London had been using coal as a source of, like, energy and heat since the 1200s, which I would have thought it would be later. I don't know why. I don't know when coal was, like, invented or found. But they used it in, like, the early 1200s. It was called sea coal because it was, like, imported from other places. Like, so it came in on ships. And then there were. They were the coal. They'd use the coal. They'd use it for not as much domestic things. Like, I feel like you have seen, like, in media, in, like, movies or TV or something, like someone getting a coal delivery, right? And they, like, open up the thing on the ground and then like a truck pours a bunch of coal in the other. Go to coal in your basement. Can you picture that? Like, do you know?
>> Farz: I can picture it, but the. The thing I think about is the iceman delivering your ice. That's actually the thing that I go to, which is like, a weird thing that people need it all the time that they don't anymore.
>> Taylor: Yeah, yeah. My Aunt Luann had this old house in Chicago, and it had a milk door that was like a little door. You could open it on one side. It was kind of insulated, and the milkman could put the milk in it, and then he would close it, and you'd open it on your side and take the milk out.
>> Farz: That's so cool, you know?
>> Taylor: But, yeah, so, yeah, so. But people were using coal in, like, the 1200s, but for really high heat activities like smelting iron and kilns, for, like, making ceramics, things like that. And then by the 1280s, there are recorded complaints of there being too much cold smoke in the air and people not being able to breathe. So that's, like, pretty early in the coal already a problem. In 1306, King Edward the First issued a proclamation to stop burning coal. But people were still going to use it. And by the 1500s, it's the main fuel in London. So London is like, exactly what you think it is. It's like smoky and foggy and foggy because of the water and then smoky because of the coal. And all the things gas started to. They started to have, like, gas lamps and things like that in, like, the 1800s and then in like 1882 there were coal fueled electricity plants. So it's not just people like burning coal in their house. It's also like these huge industrial places burning like a ton of coal, you know, and that, that creates a lot of pollution. And also this is like in 1952, I imagine there's still like a fair amount of like reconstruction happening in, in oh yeah, London. You know, they're still like, they're building new things and there's all kinds of stuff happening because so much of it was destroyed. So people are used to it. It's foggy because like, duh, London's foggy. That's its whole jam. There's songs about it, Sweeney Todd, you know, and then there's the coal. People are used to it. It's like, this is the way it is. But it's Friday, December 5, 1952, and people wake up and it's foggy per usual. It's cold and it's foggy. They light the coal fires and they go about their days. And it's been a cold winter, which I'll talk about in a second because I have some like weather things to tell you. But it's been a cold winter. And the coal that they're using is not the best coal because another thing from World War II is they obviously have a lot of debts to pay. So they are, they are mining coal in England now. Up to like 700,000 people in the UK work in coal mines. So it's a big thing that they export. But all of the like, better coal they're selling and exporting to help pay off the war debts. So people in their homes are using like crappier coal. Even worse for you.
>> Farz: Who are they paying?
>> Taylor: Probably like us because I'm probably like gets all the shifts or before we got in. Yeah, and all of that. And like, you know, we set a bunch of our young men over there, so I'm guessing us, right? Yeah, maybe France a little bit. So what the coal is doing and putting into the air is like chemicals and things that you should not breathe. And like, I'm obviously not a scientist, but things like hydrochloric acid and sulfur dioxide, like stuff that like, you know better than to breathe is like in, it's like hanging in the air from this coal that people are burning. So another thing that is different around this time. So it's like we're, we're burning s***** coal. It's really cold, it's colder than usual and there's no wind. So we've talked about like, we talked about like the great fire of London and like the great Chicago Fire and those, those things. Like there was a lot of wind and this is no wind. So like the stuff is just kind of hanging in the air. There's also other things. Like there's diesel buses. They had an electric, an electric train around London, but they abandoned it. Like they couldn't afford to like keep it up. So they had big diesel buses and then cars and industrial chimneys and just all this stuff. Just like the air is just poison pretty much. They were used to it again. And it was called pea soup because it was a green. Yeah, like it couldn't. Like you just. Nothing good's gonna happen when it's like a really thick, dense, green smog literally everywhere. So things will happen where like you cannot see very far at all. So the buses that were moving like on this first Saturday, they had to have like a guy stand in front of it with like a. A lantern to tell the bus where to go because you couldn't see anything. Like it was just so thick and so dense and they were waiting for it to lift because it usually lifts by like. Like if you live by the ocean, you know, you wake up and there's fog.
An anticyclone is heavy air hovering over a place and spreading
Like how San Diego has a great PR firm who makes people think that they have nice weather, but they really don't. They have fog until like 3pm and then it's sunny.
>> Farz: I kind of like that.
>> Taylor: Well, if you. That's what you're expecting, then great. But if you can sold the lie that San Diego has nice weather, then you'll be disappointed. But so you can see like maybe a meter in front of you. So this also is going to cause a bunch of car accidents. Obviously, you know, you can't see anything. And like the way that it works also, like the light doesn't travel in that kind of smog. Like, can you picture like any kind of light? You know, it's not illuminating anything. You just can like kind of see and it's ball, but it's not help. It's not helping you do anything. So people starting into car accidents, they can't really see. They're like, okay, what's going on? And so because it's been so cold, here's what's happening. It's called an anticyclone. Have you ever heard of that?
>> Farz: No.
>> Taylor: So an anticyclone is heavy air hovering over a place and slowly sinking down and spreading. So usually, you know, hot air rises. Like, I feel like that's Everyone knows that. So hot air rises, but in this case, because of the anticyclone, the hot air which contains all the smog, which is at, like, street level, cannot rise because this really heavy layer of air is on top of it, like, kind of cushioning it on top of it. So because of that, all of that stuff is going to get stuck underneath it. And they estimated that it's like 100 to 200 meters high of fog and then this anticyclone, heavy air above it. So you really can't. You can't, like, go up to get away from it. It's just like it's really high. Does that kind of make sense?
>> Farz: It does. I was picturing the scene in the fog when it first goes into the. The city.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: And it just kind of goes low and spreads like the atmosphere.
>> Taylor: Yeah, it's exactly like that. And if you have an anticyclone and you don't have, like, the fog and the smoke, it's actually like a pretty nice day because it, what, what it's doing is, like, it pushes the air down so it's not very windy and there's no clouds because the clouds are like the heavy thing, you know, so the cloud, the air that would make clouds can't rise any higher. So you just have like a temperate kind of fine day. Unless there's something bad to be trapped there.
>> Farz: Right, right.
>> Taylor: So all of us trapped there and it's not going away, which causes a loop where people are burning more coal because they're cold and they can't see anything, you know?
>> Farz: Yeah. Okay.
>> Taylor: So, like, you're not going to think and. Or want to do anything that's going to dissipate the smoke in the area because you need to be warm and you need to cook food and you need to do these things. So you can't stop doing that because you need it to live. And it's making it worse also at the same time. So again, just like, there's smoke, carbon dioxide, sulfur dioxide, hydrochloric acid, acid. More like 14 tons of fluorine compounds. It's nothing that you want to. Nothing that you want to breathe. Like, just so much bad stuff in the air.
>> Farz: Is that just stuff that's always in coal burnout? Yeah.
>> Taylor: Like, you don't want to stand in front of, like, a coal thing and, like, breathe there. Yeah, got it.
About 4,000 people died in London because of the smog
But good question, because it's worse also this day because of the fog, because it's going to bond with the wet particles and like, breathing in wet poison is always worse, you know, so that makes it much worse for your lungs and for, like, all of the things that are. That are going on and it's not going away. So Friday, December 2nd, it's foggy, but it's London. So people are like, okay, it's a little weird. Like, we can't really see very far, but, like, it'll lift eventually. By Saturday, the smog is in people's houses. Like, it's coming, like, through. Like, people are still going places. So they're opening the door and it's coming in. Like they are. People are going to the movie theater and they can't see the screen because,
>> Farz: you know, every time I burnt something in the house. Okay, well, I just gotta live with this smell now for the next, like, two days.
>> Taylor: Exactly. You can, like, see it hanging, you know, like, it's. It's like that. So it's literally everywhere. People are wearing masks. You can see them in pictures of people wearing, like, you know, masks to kind of breathe. Because it's still trying to move around. But it's getting worse. On Sunday in East London, people can't see their feet. Like, you just can't see anything. Like, you're just absolutely enveloped in this smog. Yeah.
>> Farz: Okay, so you mean that you probably haven't thought of. That's kind of crazy. There were still probably half those people who were inside or outside. Probably inside, given the year. It was smoking cigarettes.
>> Taylor: Oh, you're right.
>> Farz: A flammable liquid inside your lungs. You're just, like,
>> Taylor: a thousand percent. That's. Yes. I used to. Like, there were a couple times in my life that I went to a hookah bar and smoked cigarettes at the same time. And I feel like that's probably a similar feeling. Why am I soaking hookah and cigarettes at the same time? What is wrong with me? Yeah, Yeah. I didn't even think of that. And. Well, because of that, people are getting, like, obviously sick. Like, they're coughing, they're getting sick, and they cannot get help because the help cannot find you. You know, like, emergency services cannot get to you. Like, no one can get to your house to help you. Police are, like, trying to do some stuff. They're, like, riding their bikes around. But, like, if you tried to drive, like, a ambulance, you would hit a bunch of things on your way there. Like, you just couldn't do it, you know? It finally lifted on Tuesday, December 9th. So the swag was from Saturday to Tuesday when it lifted. And they were able to, like, assess the damage and see what. What happened. To people. They estimated that immediately there are about 4, 000 deaths from it. And that's mostly from like people who had influenza or pneumonia. And like that just like made everything so much worse. And they like asphyxiated. Like there are, there were reports like during that weekend of cows asphyxiating in like nearby farms. You know, like tons of animals, I'm sure died like just like on the streets. Like I'm sure your rats died, you know, and so people, you know, die because of that. So they get that, that number because like the weeks before that, about 2,000 people died in London. Because people are dying in London all the time. You know, like in every major city you have thousands of deaths a week just because that people are doing all sorts of things like getting old and dying. But there were just like so much more after, after this people who died like directly from these like lung infections. And they were the people who you would like imagine like older people, infants and B, people who had like asthma, bronchitis, like they just died in their houses because they couldn't breathe. Anyone who, you know, a lot of people couldn't even leave, like the really bad places because even if you have the means to leave, you can't see anything.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, so you like cannot leave. So that's what a lot of people died from. From that as well. You know, it would, you know, just like, basically you're just like exact eating in your house. The, the 12,000 people dying number comes from, from the Ministry of Health. From December 1952 to March 1953, there were 13,500 deaths above the expected level of people who are dying like, of these things like chronic bronchitis, which is a terrible way to go. You know, you're just going to cough for four months until you die. So a lot of people will have that. So the Ministry of Health was like, okay, what do we do? It's a lot of things. And so they decided to like, spread the responsibility, you know, and be like, you know, it's these industrial things. It's like, you know, it's the weather, but it's also like you doing it in your, in your house. But you can't just like stop people from burning coal. It's part of the economy and it's like cheap and people need to be warm and all the things. So it's going to take a while for things to like fully change. They did do things like will do little warnings and try to make people feel like we're doing something. But there really wasn't much that they like felt that they could do. Two years later they had a committee chaired by Sir Hugh Beaver called the Beaver Committee. And you know, he basically talked about like what the damage had been and there's a lot of people who had died, obviously. But another really like important like note is that smoke damage was costing the UK 250 million pounds a year in property damage in general just because there was so much of it and it was like eroding things on top of everything else. So in 1956 parliament passed the Clean Air act which prohibited dark smoke, which is like dark really like s***** coal. New controls on grit and dust, new furnaces to operate as smokelessly as possible and then like local smoke control areas. And it reminds me a little bit of like, you know how like in California every new house by a certain date is going to have solar power, you know, but it's not easy to get everybody to just like convert the way they do their power. So it's kind of like a similar thing.
>> Farz: Yeah, every house has to have solar power in California.
>> Taylor: Every.
In 1962 there was a similar fog in London where hundreds of people died
No, every new house.
>> Farz: Oh, oh, okay.
>> Taylor: You know what I mean? So it's kind of a regulation like that where you're like, okay, well if you're building a brand new house you need to have a better stove that has less like emissions. But if you have an old house, it's harder to make people change, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah, of course.
>> Taylor: So it's like slow going. In 1962 there was a similar fog in London where hundreds of people died. So a little bit of, of less. It was slow progress but definitely better than you know, than it's been. And one thing that it did that has been helpful is it led to some long term studies on like pollution and atmospheric health for like kids, you know, like kids who grew up in the, in an area like in the city. Like you know, kids who grew up in, in the middle of a city have higher cases of asthma than kids who grew up on farms, you know.
>> Farz: Yeah, I would assume as much.
>> Taylor: And like, but like it hadn't really been more allergies. Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of like people who were kids during the great smog of London who like later developed like respiratory problems probably because of that. Just like after 911 all people had cancer. You know, like very like a very similar thing they have like in your lungs. There is one more thing is there is a book that I did not but is sounds fun called Death in the Air. It is about a serial killer and he was active during the fog, but, like, not primarily during the fog, but like, in, like, the 40s and 50s. And what he would do is he would bring women to his apartment and he would gas them in. Like, one of the women that he did it to, he, like, she. She, like, had a cough, and he was like, oh, I have this, like, new medicine that you can breathe in. Like a inhaler. You should try it. So she came to his house, and it was really just like, coal emissions and, like, household gas. And then she would. They would pass out, and then he would sexually assault them and murder them.
>> Farz: Would you pass out if you just breathed in coal? I guess you would, yeah. Because oxygen wouldn't be able to get through your lungs.
>> Taylor: Yeah, I think it's a way to kill someone. Yeah, I think it's just, like, carbon dioxide. Just, like, breathing that in and it's bad.
>> Farz: You're reminding me of how, you know, I have that cowboy pool that at this point is just a mosquito hatchery in my backyard. I, every now and then would go out there and put, like, this, like, shock thing inside of it, which was, like, these chemicals to kill all the algae and clean the water and all that stuff. But it's, like, really, really bad. Like, it's, like, super, super toxic in high quantities. And every single time I pour it in, like, to this day, if I pour it in, I'll pour it in, and then I can see the wind catching some of the dust and going into my nose. I'm like, oh, my God. I just.
>> Taylor: Exactly. If you, like, throw it in there and run like a grenade, you know, I want nothing to do with this so bad.
>> Farz: That's interesting. Very fun.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: It will be fascinating to see how. Yeah. It's been progress. Right. Like, you burn coal, then you adapt to something new, and you hopefully move. Hopefully move past it. So.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And I just. I mean, I just. The stuff in the. With those forest fires is just so scary, too, because it's like you can't. You can't go anywhere. You know, you just. You just have to breathe it in and, like, you know, what is that doing to you?
>> Farz: That's always been my most pervasive fear in life. One of them. I mean, I have a lot of fears, actually. I'm scared of a lot of things, I think about it. But one of them is, man, what if I'm ever not here and it's as hot as it is now and, like, something happens and something goes up, like some trees or something. And, like, the Dogs are here. Like, it's like an ongoing fear of mine, but whatever.
>> Taylor: No, I mean, it's so scary. And like, even like after the fires in la, like last year, I was like, trying to understand it. I was talking to my friend Marco and I was like, I don't understand, like, how a high school can burn down. Like a whole house can be like, nothing. Like, where is everything? And she was like, it's all in the air. I'm like, I know, but that's just so crazy, you know? Like, it's hard to imagine, like, everything just turning into smoke.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, and then breathing that in and then how. How bad that is. So I'm sure, like, there'll be studies about that and other like, big wildfire incidents and stuff, like, ongoing now to be like, you know, what happened to, like, what happens to the kids who grew up around that, you know? Yeah.
>> Farz: Yeah, I would assume. I don't know. You guys are doing it, right? You're kind of out of the city doing your own thing. Like, that's probably the best way to have kids. Raise kids at least.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I mean, like, we. It's like, you know, there's. There's still. But I mean, like, the pollution is still, like. It's not like city pollution because Florence absolutely is better with her asthma now that she's not in. In the city.
I think LA had this reputation of like this insane amount of smog
>> Farz: Oh, yeah, of course.
>> Taylor: Because, like, you remember we lived like on that big street, which is. Which was like. Cool. Yeah, which was cool. But also, like, there were cars going by constantly, you know, and like all of that. So there's. There's, you know, she's. She's much better being out here. But then we do have, like, go outside and it smells like fire. And she's had. They've had a couple days off school because of smoke. She feels like a. More. Going to be more of a new normal in like a weird way.
>> Farz: Yeah. It was like, right before we moved to la. I think LA had this reputation of like this insane amount of smog.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: But I. I feel like that was like, done with by the time we got there. I think it was like. Yeah, 90s.
>> Taylor: Yeah. I think it's like a. I think it might be like a leaded gasoline thing, you know, and like.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: And. Yeah, I. You can sometimes. So when you. If you drive from my house to la, you kind of like go over a hill and then you can see it. See, like downtown la, for over at the hill. And sometimes you can see the smog just like sitting on it.
>> Farz: Yeah.
>> Taylor: You know, but. But I do think that, like, the image I have in my head of LA in like, the 80s is worse.
>> Farz: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
>> Taylor: Yeah.
>> Farz: I mean, of every city. Well, that's cool. That's fun.
How did you come with this topic? God, I have no idea
How did you come with this topic?
>> Taylor: God, I have no idea. I don't know how I got here. I think I was thinking about, like, because I was thinking about the fires and then similarly, like, volcano. I was looking up, like, other, like, big change, disaster things. And I was actually. Okay, I remember how I got here because I was looking up the Odyssey because I was like, okay, like, what happened around this time? Because then, you know, it's like a transition between, like, different ages of the world and like, something that happened that might have made like some big global changes was, of course, a volcano. And I was like, no one wants to hear any more volcano stories from me.
>> Farz: So.
>> Taylor: So I was like, what else? Like, blocks the sun, you know, and makes it hard to breathe. And that's how I got here.
>> Farz: Sweet. That's fun.
If you email us your address, I'll mail you a sticker
Well, thank you for sharing. Do we have any listener mail?
>> Taylor: I did. Morgan is going to try to join us in learning league. So exciting. Oh, I mean, I forgot to say, and I haven't said it in a while, but, like, if you email us your address, I'll mail you a sticker. I just did some cleaning. I have a ton of them, so doomto fel pod gmail dot com. Send me your address and I'll mail you a sticker for free. I don't care.
>> Farz: Just pod gmail.com free sticker. What if. What if they send hate mail?
>> Taylor: I'm not accepting email.
>> Farz: Ah, there you go. It's already. It's already filtered out, so don't even try.
>> Taylor: I'm not accepting any criticism, constructive or not so
>> Farz: healthy. Very, very healthy. Well, yeah. Write to us do not fall podmail.com for a fun sticker and a note. Or find us on the social at doom to fall pod. Tell your friends, tell your family, tell your loved ones, and that's it. Taylor, anything else?
>> Taylor: Yeah, great.
>> Farz: All right, we'll go ahead and cut it off.