For our second story this week Farz tells us about the one worst things out there - children who kill. Come back to 1993 with us, where malls were 80% kidnappers, 10% people smoking cigarettes, and 10% children available for kidnapping. We’re going back to the UK for the horrific murder of sweet, sweet James Patrick Bulger by the terrors Robert Thompson & Jon Venables. Learn what they did AND where they are now! (Bc they’re like 40) Images via Wikipedia Let us know what you think of our new bi-weekly format! Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doomedtofailpod/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/doomedtofailpod Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@doomedtofailpod Email: doomedtofailpod@gmail.com
For our second story this week Farz tells us about the one worst things out there - children who kill. Come back to 1993 with us, where malls were 80% kidnappers, 10% people smoking cigarettes, and 10% children available for kidnapping. We’re going back to the UK for the horrific murder of sweet, sweet James Patrick Bulger by the terrors Robert Thompson & Jon Venables.
Learn what they did AND where they are now! (Bc they’re like 40)
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Hi Friends! Our transcripts aren't perfect, but I wanted to make sure you had something - if you'd like an edited transcript, I'd be happy to prioritize one for you - please email doomedtofailpod@gmail.com - Thanks! - Taylor
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so I'm recording I can tell you Taylor how much I admire how much you get done
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because you have so many hobbies so many side hustles you work like a demanding
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career you have two children
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but it's actually really impressive you do so many jokes thank you thank you so
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we are back for part two of this week's
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split episode situation and well I got to start from the top so
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this is Doom to fail I'm farz this is Taylor last Monday was Taylor section on a
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historical story and now this is my section on a True Crime Story and so we're going to test this woman out for a
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few weeks see how it plays out for us and see how it plays out for y'all if it works and we're gonna keep doing this way otherwise we can just revert back to
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the way we've been doing things so that's what I got I love it I opened up my other beer
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um you're still drinking the same Pacific oh you're in a new Pacifico yeah I only had two Pacifico so now I have
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zero Pacific pacificos but end yourself is that coke that I don't drink any of yeah so when when I talked about my
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story in case you missed it um we were drinking motor oil because we're talking about Detroit and the Fords
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um and as far as you were drinking your kombucha all right I'm drinking water now
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all right good for you yeah I'm excited I'm gonna go I'm gonna go Grill some meat after this so I'm Gonna Save my
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beer drinking it's fair it's just so hot we were at we were at the park MGM in Las Vegas this
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weekend which we love with a glove at hotel there's no smoking inside it's like great for kids to like walk around and not feel like you're gonna die
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um MGM doesn't have smoking no the park MGM across the street from them oh okay but um we were in the pool and the pool
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was like lukewarm at best it was not refreshing you know it was like nice to be in the
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water and we like had pina coladas and like so it was like cool but it was like man you can't keep a a pool from being
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super hot these days no I was actually thinking about like doing like a regular thing where I just go get like a bunch
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of ice like and as I went off and just fill it fill the pool with it because it it is not refreshing right now but I
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don't know it feels like when it's this hot and you're gross anyways like whatever else jump in the water
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water and we're on to the True Crime section of our story so
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I I started this out so this I literally
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picked this story out earlier today like it was it was like a really flight moment of like just trying to figure out
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what I'm gonna talk about and I picked it because I love the movie the the
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Chucky franchise and and I just learned that there is a series a chunky series
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that is now two seasons in which is really cool I didn't actually know about that I looked at the I watched the trailer I've not seen it itself but it
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looked really really cool but it started to make me think about other terrifying little things and it made me go down a
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rabbit hole of researching the human equivalent of a Chucky doll which is a killer kid
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oh and Chucky is actually gonna make an appearance in the story in real life
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[Music] so I love it the story I'm going to be discussing today is about the murder of
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James Bulger do you know that name no but
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I might actually talk a little bit about it but tell me where I'm not gonna google it I should Google it so some
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people some people know this name and probably the reason why you know this name is not the reason why not the
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person I'm talking about you probably know the name James Bulger because James Whitey Bulger was a famous Irish mobster
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who was murdered in prison and ran the south side of Boston for like seven years
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that just happened yeah it was like maybe like six seven years ago and he was like on the lamb for a long time
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yeah yeah he was on the lamb the movie Black Mass by Johnny Depp is about him if you watch uh if you've seen The
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Departed Jack Nicholson's character is basically why he bold like this guy is like really really famous that's why
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when I say James Bulger the natural instinct is you're talking about Whitey no I'm not talking about Whitey this is a different James vulture
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got it so unrelated totally unrelated so this James was actually a
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two-year-old boy from England who suffered an incredibly horrific fate at
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the hands of two basically 10 year old Chucky dolls this all happened in early 1993. so our
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story will start with the two main antagonists 10 year olds Robert Thompson and John venables
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these two are friends in classmates and had a habit of playing hooky from class together and on the day of the murder the two of them went to the local mall
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to just basically be Hooligans and steal [ __ ] and be annoying bastards basically yeah
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for some reason they had decided that what they wanted to do while the mall was abduct a kid and push him into
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oncoming traffic that's what they told police later on after everything that is about to happen
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happens and honestly I would rarely ever say this but like doing that would have been like a blessing compared to what
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they actually ended up doing wow that's how bad it was oh my God the day they're at the mall a woman named Denise Bolger
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and her two-year-old son James are at a butcher store that's in the mall and Denise literally lets go of James's hand
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to pay the butcher she looks down and he's gone that's how fast
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that's how fast it happens it's absolutely insane I yell I mean I yell I
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do yell at the kids all the time the swarf I can't see them and I'm like I know I sound like a crazy [ __ ] person but if I can't see you you're kidnapped
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like I have to be able to see you you know and even that like I should be touching them I should latch some to me
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so when I was living in Florida I went to um the this there's a mall there called the Sawgrass Mills and I there
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was like this little girl like this small little two three-year-old girl just standing in the middle of like this
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walkway just crying and nobody was helping her nobody was doing anything and I walked up to her and was like what
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are you doing here he's like Mommy Mommy I I I don't know what I'm supposed to do and
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luckily there were like women there who like are moms and we're like okay we gotta like figure out what to do I was
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like cool this is not my thing anymore yeah y'all run with this thing but like I would imagine something similar you just look down your kid's gone like it's
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got to be the scariest thing in the world well what you tell your kids I mean of all the parenting lessons you tell your
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kids well one day I grew up never need your help so like you don't you know don't don't help a grown up but also if you are lost you look for a mom with
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kids and she can help you you know like look for another mom who has a bunch of kids and she will help you find me yeah
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so if if like I walk up smelling like bourbon you know that's the opposite of
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that but I was very helpful in that situation well that's very nice of you thank you because luckily like other
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people were there because I would not have known how to handle that situation obviously yeah so literally in the seconds that it took
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her to pay this butcher John and Robert grabbed James by the hand and let him away this was all captured on CCTV
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cameras it's in full color you can actually see them holding his hands and everything yeah
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they take him down to the leads in Liverpool Canal which if you look up pictures of it now looks like a very
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quaint and lovely little green space which is probably due to the fact that after this event like some 57 million
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pounds British pounds worth of revitalizations happened there but when they were there it was like the opposite
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of charming think like more Albert Fish than pastures in England
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I'm picturing the um like uh or they called it like the the that's the
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wetlands wherever they went in it there's no nose and mean they like went to the woods and it was
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like awful keep going it's definitely not that bad
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but it's actually just as terrifying so so they make it their way to this canal
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and that's kind of when all the torture basically starts it's sort of Fairly mildly at first it's awful no matter
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what but it's still somewhat Mild they picked James up by his head or they picked him up they turn them upside down and dropped him on his head on the
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concrete James is a two-year-old boy like the
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concept of someone being mean to you or someone hurting you is just like unfathly I can't imagine what this
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little boy was thinking he was crying hysterically because he just didn't know why people were being mean to him why
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well why was this happening and because of this they were seen by somewhere around 38
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people seeing James crying they would eventually walk away from the canal and walk two and a half miles to another
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city during that walk two people stopped them saying what's going on what are you doing with this kid and they just said
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oh he's our brother he's fine he's our brother which like you probably believe right like what who
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who would question that in like oh God it sucks at like the
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the like what is the mom doing right now like freaking out obviously yeah yeah
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so they get to a juncture in this city between a cemetery and a railway station
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and they find a remote area on this railway station and just basically start
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trying to torture and kill James they had when they were at the mall they'd shoplifted some uh paint and so they
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started pouring paint in his eyes for some reason it was blue paint they were being very specific that was blue paint which will come up later on no they
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kicked him they stomped on him they threw bricks and stones at him they shoved batteries in his mouth for some
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reason they found a fish plate which is a 22 pound piece of Steel that connects two sections of Railway together and
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they were just like throw it on him while he was on the ground and that injury alone resulted in
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10 skull fractures so it was bad it was really really bad okay there's a part of this where
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there's some element of like sexual abuse and it is not
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affirmed 100 whether it was true or not there were some things that came out they're like this could have happened
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this could not have happened and frankly I don't really love talking about that very much and so yeah because it's not a
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confirmed thing I'd just rather not even discuss it because we don't know so
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after all this they laid James out on the track uh who at this point had already stopped moving and a train came
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didn't see him and split him in half so the one Saving Grace was that he was
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already dead when the train hit him they know that for sure and apparently they couldn't figure out what the cause of
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death was because he had so many injuries they they found 42 injuries on his body of which they think most of
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those were in and of themselves capable of killing him but they don't know what what actually ended up killing him oh my God it's terrible yeah so by this
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point James a missing child but nobody knows where he is it was basically dumb luck that anyone
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found this kid because his the boys had covered his body with six delivery so when the train hit him they were like I just hit something whatever like we
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didn't know what we did something apparently some that's Luna
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the dog it's a dog thank you Taylor
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apparently uh playing on on railroad tracks is like a Pastime in the 1990s in
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England because some kids were also playing on the railroad tracks two days after this happened and they found his body and reported it
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this was not a whodunit it was it was obvious the boys you could clearly see
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them on video lean this kid away right so it wasn't like that big of a thing the media ran with their story and some
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woman knew John and immediately identified him and called the police John was brought in so it was robber their question it was determined that
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they were obviously guilty there's a ton of evidence here around forensic stuff
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that went on like one I mean they were their clothes were covered in his blood they had blue paint all over them they
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like it was just like 50 different things that made it completely unequivocal and unquestionable that they
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were the killers we know that for a fact basically so they were put on trial and by this
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point they're 11 years old and they are tried as adults in England at the time
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the age at which a person could be held criminally criminally liable for their actions is 10 years old most of the time
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that doesn't mean they are subject to adult penalties it just means that we
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think you're old enough to have understood the ramifications of your actions yeah yeah so like I looked up like some
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of you guessed the youngest ages in the U.S 16. six six yeah do you know what state
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uh Utah North Carolina all right the oldest age for criminal responsibility in the U.S
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is 12 and that is actually wow weird that you said Utah the oldest age is 12
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and that is California Massachusetts and Utah so every other state kind of Falls between 6 and 12 years old
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got it a trial they were found guilty and became the youngest convicted
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murderers in history like I mentioned kids don't typically
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get punished like adults so uh when the judge sentenced them they sentenced them to serve at Her Majesty's pleasure which
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is a term of Art in UK saying they stay in prison until a parole board decides
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they've been rehabilitated but the judge did say that his recommendation is they stay in jail for a minimum of eight
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years the judge I mean it's this kind of angry
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actually later on we're gonna get into the penalty phase more the judge in this
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case did something that was also incredibly rare he released their names to the public which like almost never
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happens with juvenile offenders but he was like the public needs to know and and he just made that determination and
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decided to do that the media jumped all over this in per usual content was determined to be the main factor in all
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this again circling back to Chucky they found out that John's dad right before this had happened had rented
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Child's Play Three and in that movie there's a scene where some kids are playing paintball and Chucky replaces the paintballs with
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actual bullets and the fact that there's a scene of someone getting shot with a blue paintball palette uh and the paint
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was rubbed into James's eye that was blue think that maybe Chucky had something to do with this I mean Chinese
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the yes and yes and no like that you have to be a real shitty kid to make that
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correlation I mean tell it between me and you we've probably watched like in total like two years worth of slasher
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movies yeah never killed anyone there's like the whole content is what makes
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people do things argument it's just so not based in science you're a bad person
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you're gonna do something bad anyway you know like yeah there's no way but so many kids I grew up with grub
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watching Bambi and crying when the mom was killed in their Hunters now like it has no impact they had the opposite
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impact maybe that's too bad I hate that [ __ ] so the two were sent to
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basically like Kid Joe which kind of sounded like a secure version of a camp the parents could visit them regularly and they were able to basically continue
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their education and then undergo cow Skin Therapy it's worth noting that they
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apparently exhibited like fairly severe PTSD from what I was reading it sounded a lot
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like Robert was the antagonist and John kind of just went
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along with him by most accounts there didn't seem to be any more worse than Robert whereas John did seem to have
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remorse like it seemed like it actually bothered him a lot more than it bothered Robert what they ended up doing to this kid which could it should but it's gonna
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but it's gonna be an important detail here in a minute when I talk about where they're at now yeah what about like I
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imagine if my kid had like was in this juvenile prison for like I don't know stealing a car you know I'd
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be like I don't want him anywhere [ __ ] near these guys yeah right yeah I don't know I feel like as other people
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I don't know this is bad and and that that was actually a part of it was the
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sense of isolation they also experienced because the other kids were in there they weren't in there for freaking killing a two-year-old exactly stupid
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they were like chewing from school or like stole a car or something you know yeah exactly it's a big difference
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there so these kids were in prison or their kid jail whatever
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um juvie uh and it's worth noting that during this time there's a lot of political maneuvering that's happening
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around this case so politicians in England are basically using this as in this event as a I'm tough on crime
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stance by advocating for higher sentences which ended up actually happening so the original
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sentence was at Her Majesty's pleasure with a minimum of eight years that got pushed to 10 then that got
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pushed to 15. in the middle of all this John and Robert's parents were also
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appealing to the eu's court saying that they should not have been tried as
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adults and they were basically saying like the legality of changing a prison
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sentence after the fact is not right for a kid and so the court agreed in the
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basically long story short was that it dropped back to eight years so a lot of procedural stuff that was going on there
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but that was a long and short of it ultimately ultimately they served like
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basically the minimum they serve like a little bit over eight eight years I think it was like eight years and six months and on in they got released in
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June of 2001 so they're around like 18 19 years old give or take I don't love that yeah
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to say that they were the most hated people in England is kind of an understatement they couldn't go back to
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being themselves once they're released they were treated like a protected mob witness they were given new identities
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they were moved to a secret part of England with fabricated passports they were legitimately in witness protection
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and part of it was that they couldn't access certain things which would be parole violations because if they did so
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people in the neighborhoods would realize who they are and and Target them and so they weren't allowed to go to
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certain cities their movements were was restricted and so on the fear was that
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if people knew who they were they would actually kill them like this didn't stop the media in one case a media Outlet
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figured out and published their location did not know their names they did know their location they published that the
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they were found in contempt of court in order to pay 150 000 pounds in penalty
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and also like a large part of these penalties had to do with how expensive it was to keep this up for the
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government in another situation a foreign publication so one that the government
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couldn't control through contempt of court proceedings also said that they found out their new names and identities
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and so they're going to publish that and the government literally paid them to not publish it so this was not like a
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fine or anything this was like please don't do this because it's going to cost a shitload of money to get these guys back under witness protection again
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for decades after the release people in the UK would publish pictures or names of people they didn't like and say it
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was these two that's hilarious and terrible it's terrible it reminded me of the Son of
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Sam when when remember that when uh yeah I think it's my creepy Uncle you know I
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think it's a brother-in-law he's kind of a he's kind of a jerk he's here in Brooklyn yeah Henry's like he was like
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yeah uh there's a guy named uh oh there's a bookie named Tommy leg Breakers I think it was him yeah you
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know Tony like burgers he's my bookie too so nice try [Laughter]
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I love that part uh but again this section could be like 10 minutes on its
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own so if I say a lot of people went to jail for like almost getting other
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people killed by saying that people they didn't like are these two guys they haven't a lot a lot it happened it
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happened into like the 2015-16s like it was happening constantly
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in 2010 John got arrested again on charges of having and distributing child pornography
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this obviously created issues given his release from prison and also with protecting his new identity because now
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he's back in the system he's back in court and his identity can be revealed his pictures can be taken all that stuff
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they really went over the top to protect this guy and he actually wasn't actually
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that protective himself of his identity he actually told two random people when he was in witness protection who he
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actually was and the court went around their typical procedures
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when he got brought up on these child pornography charges where it was just the judge who could see his
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face nobody else could see his face like the the prosecution like his lawyers nothing
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kind of wild at the time something happened when he was in jail
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that results in him needing an entirely new identity at the time it was called a
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quote serious security breach unquote later on we learned that because he was
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caught on pedophilia charges like his info kind of leaked out in there because it's kind of like America where they
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have a version of the sex offender offender registry basically who who does that who has that John venables got it
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and there was a website that would publish the info of
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people who were caught doing pedophilic things and John was part of that and his
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info was published on the internet so they had to change his identity again they have a sex offender
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wait what but if you shouldn't he be on a sex offender registry
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yeah no no it's not that he's on the registry it's the fact that they tied his fake identity to his actual identity
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identity on the registry because I would want to know if someone near me was a pedo I don't know if so it didn't It
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ultimately didn't end up mattering in his case and I'll explain why in a moment but his uh the the problem was so
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let's say he changed it from John venables to Bill Johnson okay so Bill Johnson's a sex offender the guy living
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is Bill Johnson is a sex offender right the fact that he's also John venables what the government's trying to prevent because if people find out that he's
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John venables they will kill him as long as they know that he's a sex inspector yeah yeah that that part became obvious
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and clear to the entire world in 2013 he was again paroled from prison
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on these child pornography charges which I'm really starting to think the UK is like just super super Chill on
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punishment like he was an adult like he was not a kid anymore he was an adult when he when he did this
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eight years in total for torturing and murdering a two-year-old and then
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it was it was a year and a half for this child pornography charge but realistically the reason that it took so
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long to get released had nothing to do with the underlying child pornography charges the reason it took so long is
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because they had to create a new identity form because this information got published on this this website that was the issue that they had the Garment
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have with them didn't matter in 2017 he had yet got
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caught on child pornography charges and he's in jail as of like this moment as
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of right now he's still in jail and again the issue is this identity because the government started looking into
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Canada Australia New Zealand they're like where can we send this guy we don't have to create a new identity form every
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couple of couple of years and obviously it was kind of like yeah no thanks for sending your best and
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brightest but we're we're good we're gonna we're gonna hold off on having John enter our country Jacinda Arlen one
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of the great Prime Ministers and world leaders she said something along the lines of
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yeah we're not going to give this guy a special treatment he's more than welcome to fill out the application for citizenship or transfer or whatever the
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immigration I would not waste my time if I was him though I feel like I've read like even like in
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the states like stories of being like okay this real bad guy gotta get out of jail where do we put him and people will be like no there was a guy here I
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remember I saw a petition like next door or something and they were trying to send like a sex offender like give him a house here in like our area and people
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sign a petition to be like no yeah yeah like it's you there's no there's no
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option other than change identities randomly insert them somewhere with like a backstroke there's no there's no other
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way to do it yeah so there was a thing I read when I was
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looking this case up that had to do with kind of like explaining kind of a way the sex charges or the um the shop
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pornography charges because apparently he also dated really young he had like a 17 year old girlfriend and he would like
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he was a gross dude but I read something about how there is this concept when
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like your childhood is taken away you have what's referred to as delayed
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adolescence and you just miss this chunk of childhood because of what you
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experienced and there's some apologists thought process that like
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yeah maybe that's why he did what he did like he's not the worst person in the
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world somebody else was also in this position but I don't know man you killed a two-year-old you got caught with all
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this stuff it's just like hey I don't know I I can't make an excuse for that no no absolutely not but like def I I
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feel like that's an argument that people use that reminds me of like Michael Jackson because he didn't have a childhood you know was that was that one
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of his arguments yeah not his arguments but like people's arguments about him like his trials are taken away from he was in that his parents were was
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terrible you know but also that was terrible that wasn't even his fault it was terrible he didn't kill anyone I
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don't think yeah sure because his parents yeah I mean this guy is probably going to be locked up for the
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foreseeable future because and realistically it's probably not even going to have anything to do with the sex offense charges probably gonna have
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to do with the fact that it costs so much money to create a new identity for him and this guy keeps telling everyone who he is it's just like you stop
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talking about your identity you [ __ ] idiot for me meanwhile Robert seems to be
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doing fine so he later on came out as gay and has been in a very very long
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term happy healthy relationship with a man who does actually know his identity yeah and in the prevailing years he's
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proven to be much less of a piece of [ __ ] than John is but maybe it has to do with the fact that he's a psychopath and
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probably has no emotions whatsoever anyways I don't know but you think that that one was the instigator yeah that's
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the prevailing theory is that he was the instigator so there's some gay couple in the UK right now who are 40 years old or one of
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them is this guy yeah look at your friends with suspicion everyone seriously I mean think about all the
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other crazy ones that we know of like Carla Homolka is like literally just like going to PTA meetings and like
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going to the park like it's wild unbelievable oh that's so sad yeah poor
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James what a freaking cutie pie I'm looking at him he has a little English accent yeah uh and and this is actually
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a fairly recent story because he was supposed to come up for parole in October of 2022 and that got pushed out
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six months I don't know what the latest status is it it's presumed that he's still in jail but because of the nature
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of security around his identity and his name I don't know we don't know for sure because it could be a thing where the
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government releases him and it's like I'm just not going to tell anyone what happened with this guy and he just goes off into the into the sunset right but
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then he'd [ __ ] up again he's a [ __ ] up yeah yeah I mean he was caught with some
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really terrible stuff like he was not like he was like he was caught with like how to create it yourself and yeah yeah
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yeah yeah yeah um
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and it's crazy that that I guess I guess I remember this I mean they're my they're my age
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they're like exactly my age no like we would have been in school together wait are they yeah
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yeah yeah which is crazy it's wild not good and it's wild because
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it's like it's like again like because they're so young it makes you think like like all these people stopped when Saul
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was going on but it's like who on Earth would ever think anything other than this is these guys like who you wouldn't
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yeah a 10 year old would kidnap a two-year-old like it's crazy it feels like uh unfortunate unfortunate
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tragedy that was probably very very hard to not happen yeah I wonder how many people get
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stolen in a mall I don't know I'm trying to see if there's like Mall
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kidnappings I guess something doesn't happen less now because we don't care about malls it's not
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much I think that's probably a part of it but also I think like you know if you're an adult you know you're gonna
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get caught if you do something in a mall because there's cameras everywhere yeah I mean I think kidnappings in general
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gone down what's the ratio what's we're gonna look this up I have kidnappings gone down in the USA
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on average fewer than 350 people under the age of 21 have been abducted by strangers in the U.S per year since
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2010. is that less than before but is it like
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gonna go weird way because of like like the way that you think like are there less
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serial killers because of forensics
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could be I don't know wait in 2020 400 000 were abducted in
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the U that can't be right I'm just gonna go hug my children and hold their hands I'm like I need to see you constantly no
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this is also kids who run away and do stupid [ __ ] like that sure sure sure
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yeah I can't find stats on whether it's gone down or not but I mean I would assume it has
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I mean it's still a lot look if 350 it says 350 a year ago um are actually abducted by strangers
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that's that feels like that's like almost one a day which is like a crazy high number in my opinion yeah that's
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still so many oh my God it's so scary it's real scary I'm scared
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I don't love it yeah yeah it's not a good story it's not fun but don't let it but that is our
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tale for this week cool well thanks for having let us know
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what you think about this being two two parts friends and fam that this was our second half
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also let us know if you're which one you're gonna see first Barbie or Oppenheimer I'm going with Oppenheimer yeah no you see Oppenheimer then you
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have a few drinks you can see Barbie and then you can sleep at night that's how you're doing it you're gonna do a twofer I don't know but we're gonna
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be on vacation so like kids people can technically watch our children for us and we could do it wow okay it's actually not a bad idea
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yeah Chris stolen movies don't like I mean they're good to think about but like this one feels like it's gonna like
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make you feel weird Oppenheimer brunch Barbie sleep at night okay I think that's the only way to do it if you're
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gonna do it in order July 20th people mark your calendars 18 days to go over excited yeah I'll be on lunch in New
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York that weekend and I'll be there the 22nd so I think that might be the day this one on New York
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um we're going upstate-ish to like go to our house and see family
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I know it's exhausting we're gonna be real close to Hyde Park so I'm gonna go to Hyde Park and so I'm very excited I
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will I'm gonna go to wherever Lorena Hickok is buried and do all of those those Eleanor Roosevelt's pilgrimages
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that sounds fun that sounds awesome next time you're here I gotta take you to this um this bar uh that's called um so
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it's it's Roosevelt room and it's on the block called Eleanor Roosevelt so I've been there like four or five times it's
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actually a really good bar so we'll go check it out that's fun um sweet Taylor uh everybody please do
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um odafuco in asakusa Tokyo which is a place that has a Perpetual broth so the
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broth they've been making or like simmering since like 1950. which I have a picture of because you sent me a
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picture of it and did you notice that they basically they also like it's like a martini they put olives in like a
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stick in the perpetual